Los Angeles Declares Emergency Over I.C.E. Raids

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five

Episode: Los Angeles Declares Emergency Over I.C.E. Raids
Date: October 15, 2025
Host(s): Greg Gutfeld, Dana Perino, Jesse Watters, Katie Pavlich, Harold Ford Jr.

Overview

This episode tackles the heated aftermath of Los Angeles County's declaration of a state of emergency in response to recent ICE immigration raids. The hosts probe the political, social, and media narratives at play, especially as cities like Los Angeles move to support undocumented immigrants using taxpayer resources. The discussion ranges from the perceived victimization of immigrant communities, the accountability of law enforcement, the role of policy, intra-party challenges for Democrats, to the media handling of controversial figures and events. Throughout, the tone is energetic and combative, laced with the show's signature humor and sarcasm.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Los Angeles’ Emergency Declaration and the David vs. Goliath Narrative

• LA County’s move gives them the ability to provide taxpayer-funded rent relief, legal support, and more for those affected by ICE raids.
• Panelists debate whether framing the city as 'David' and the federal government as 'Goliath' is valid or manipulative.
• Katie Pavlich (00:41): "It feels like we're David and Goliath. We're David going against Goliath. We have entire families who are destitute because their fathers or mothers were taken from their workplaces..."

Memorable Quotes:

• Greg Gutfeld (02:22): "In L.A, they're using taxpayer funds to back one side, to block taxpayer funds that are supporting another side. Why not just have two bureaucrats in a ring throwing money at each other?"

2. Immigration Enforcement, Protests, and Political Repercussions

• Chicago protests are depicted as heroic in some media, with law enforcement under increasing scrutiny.
• Debate on prosecuting ICE agents and whether government officials may face consequences after administration changes.
• Arguments over the definition of "emergency"—does deportation qualify, or does it dilute the meaning of real crises?
• Jesse Watters (02:58): "It's not an emergency when Juan has to go back to Honduras. It's not even an emergency for Juan... What is this? A foreign welfare state in the middle of California…?"

3. Qualified Immunity and Law Enforcement Morale

• Concerns about weakening legal protections for law enforcement, referencing both ICE and broader police issues.
• Dana Perino (04:58): "The law enforcement officers, they need to have confidence that the system is going to have their back. That's one of the problems they have here. This whole qualified immunity thing is a problem in New York City."

4. Policy Solutions and Political Strategy

• Calls for Democratic politicians to seek dialogue with federal officials (including Trump) to resolve disagreements, rather than escalating via public proclamations.
• Issues with LA’s priorities: funding immigration relief while struggling with infrastructure and housing.
• Harold Ford Jr. (07:14): "Providing financial support to people in the country illegally is not the way to go about showing objection to the hierarchy of deportations in the country."

5. Crime & Language Manipulation

• Panelists criticize the conflation of ICE raids with terms like 'kidnapping' and 'cruelty,' arguing this misleads the public.
• Katie Pavlich (08:42): "They use the language, as you mentioned, about they're taking people from job sites, they're kidnapping them. No, they're taking people from job sites where they are trafficking children, they're trafficking women, they're selling drugs…"

6. Democratic Party Struggles and Leadership

• Deep dive into Democratic polling problems and poor messaging on crime and immigration.
• Complaints that Democrats fail to acknowledge their missteps or adjust their positions despite popular opposition.
• Extended analogy comparing Trump and Newsom to competing "resorts," with Democrats painted as out of touch.
• Dana Perino (14:57): "The first step to getting better on anything is admitting you have a problem. But they've only gone a half a step..."

7. Media and Notable Figures

• Discussion about Cheryl Hines defending RFK Jr. on The View, the media’s treatment of female guests, and whether the panel is fair in its questioning.
• Jesse Watters (24:33): "Imagine if Emma writes a book... and they just start attacking her over things I've said. That's not fair. Even I can't defend some of the things I've said."
• Reflection on public scrutiny, transparency, and the competitiveness inside Democratic politics (e.g., Katie Porter’s staff videos).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Greg Gutfeld (02:22): "[In LA] Why not just have two bureaucrats in a ring throwing money at each other?"
• Jesse Watters (02:58): "Is that what we're doing? You just live for free in LA illegally?"
• Dana Perino (04:58): "Law enforcement officers... need to have confidence that the system is going to have their back."
• Katie Pavlich (08:42): "No, they're taking people from job sites where they are trafficking children, they're trafficking women..."
• Dana Perino (14:57): "They've only gone a half a step because in the clip they say, yeah, we are historically unpopular, but they won't take the next half a step, which is say we did it to ourselves."
• Greg Gutfeld (13:16): "CDS is not CDS if the data is real, like the U hauls leaving."
• Harold Ford Jr. (07:14): "...this ridiculous public policy proclamation from LA county... you should shelve this one and try to get to the White House to figure out a longer term solution."
• Katie Pavlich (10:26): "One of the biggest lessons... is that the myth that illegal immigrants don't commit crimes and that it's not an issue has been completely blown out of the water."
• Harold Ford Jr. (36:19): "I also think I give her [Katie Porter] some credit for at least apologizing. But if there are other videos out, I think that the Dana Perino approach might be the better one."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Los Angeles Emergency Decision & David/Goliath Framing – 00:04 to 01:10
• ICE Protests, Accountability, Emergency Definition Debate – 01:10 to 03:30
• Qualified Immunity, Policing, California Priorities – 04:27 to 06:42
• How Democrats Handle Crime, Immigration, and Political Positioning – 07:14 to 10:26
• Media, The View, Cheryl Hines and Handling Criticism – 19:55 to 26:53
• Katie Porter Staffer Video Leaks and Transparency – 32:37 to 36:29
• Alec Baldwin Car Accident Anecdote – 27:19 to 31:09
• Democrats’ Party Troubles and Resort Analogy – 12:11 to 14:57
• One More Thing—Lighter News & Panel Banter – 37:34 onward

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Episode Tone & Style

• The dialogue is full of quick-witted, sometimes edgy humor, with playful jabs both at political opponents and among the hosts.
• Panelists often blend sarcasm (e.g., "two bureaucrats throwing money at each other," "beautiful black women in MAGA hats") with policy critique, reinforcing the show's irreverent persona.
• There is significant skepticism—if not outright hostility—toward progressive approaches to immigration, urban policy, and Democratic Party leadership.

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Useful For…

• Listeners seeking a conservative critique of current urban immigration policy and the broader Democratic response.
• Those interested in seeing how partisans frame and debate “emergency” government actions.
• Devotees of The Five’s unique blend of news commentary, cultural snark, and group chemistry.

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Final Takeaway

This episode doubles down on skepticism over blue state immigration policies, Democratic party unity, and media double standards. The hosts alternately mock, critique, and challenge both political leaders and trending narratives, with “David vs. Goliath” spinning into a larger debate on who is truly wielding power and who’s being left behind. The episode closes, as always, with lighter stories and panel banter, staying true to the show's energetic and sarcastic style.

Transcript

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Katie Pavlich, Harold Ford Jr. Jesse Waters, and she gives walking tours at ant farms. Dana Perino, the five Louisiana resisting ICE with bailouts to illegals. Los Angeles county declaring a state of emergency over immigration raids, giving them the power to provide tax cuts, payer funded rent relief, legal services and other goodies to those affected by recent raids. The LA Board painting it as a real David and Goliath situation up against the federal government.

[Katie Pavlich]

It feels like we're David and Goliath. We're David going against Goliath. We have entire families who are destitute because their fathers or mothers were taken from their workplaces and they have no way to pay their rent or put food on the table. I want our immigrant communities to know.

[Dana Perino]

That we are in this emergency with them.

[Katie Pavlich]

For months, families have been living under threat. Workers have been kidnapped from job sites and children have been coming home to empty dinner tables.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Over in Chicago, rioters were hurling rocks at the feds after an illegal immigrant rammed a border Patrol car. The New York Times painting the protesters like heroes running. A headline that celebrates how Chicagoans are fighting back. And JB Pritzker is throwing his weight behind prosecuting law enforcement.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't trust at all that the.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Trump administration is going to hold any.

[Jesse Waters]

Of these people responsible.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We will. We're going to call for accountability. And indeed, you know, the tables will turn someday. These people should recognize that maybe they're.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Not going to get prosecuted today, although.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We'Re looking at doing that. But they may get prosecuted after the Trump administration for the things that they did because the statute of limitations won't have run. But Trump says beautiful black women in Chicago are demanding the guard they had.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

In a short period of time, 4,000 murders in Chicago. And we have to listen to this man stand up and say that we're bad people. And the people of Chicago are walking around with MAGA hats. You have women, beautiful black women walking around with MAGA hats. Please let the president in. And we don't care how he does it. These are great cities that can be fixed. I'm going to be strongly recommending, at.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The request of government officials, which is always nice, that you start looking at San Francisco BBWs. Jesse. BBW. This is kind of amazing when you think about it. In L. A, they're using taxpayer funds to back one side, to, to block taxpayer funds that are supporting another side. Why not just have two bureaucrat bureaucrats in a ring throwing money at each other?

[Jesse Waters]

That's what they usually Do I just can't stop thinking about beautiful black women in MAGA hats.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow. Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Greg, it's not an emergency when Juan has to go back to Honduras. It's not even an emergency for Juan. He got here, he can get back fine. An emergency is like a pandemic or a riot or a natural disaster. And usually both parties agree we want to stop the natural disaster, the riot or the pandemic. But this case, one party wants to keep illegals here, and the other party does it. We have not seen this. Even during COVID we all kind of agreed that Covid needed to go away. This we haven't seen. They're setting up, like, many Confederacies. What is this? A foreign welfare state in the middle of California so you can break into the country and you can just live for free in LA now? Is that what we're doing? You just live for free in LA illegally? And so this other guy in Chicago says he wants to go after ice. If you pull immunity, then it's dangerous. That means we can go after you because you have blood on your hands. If someone dies from an illegal in a sanctuary city, you go after the mayor for wrongful death. You hit him civilly for millions of dollars. Barack Obama tried to do this with the CIA agents, and thankfully he didn't. And they did things to detainees a lot worse than what ICE is doing to people. ICE is doing what? Some bruising on the wrists. We all know what the CIA did in those detention centers. It was a lot worse, Dana.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They discovered the Bible. Why do you think that? The left always uses the David and Goliath analogy when it comes to, like, law enforcement and people like illegals, but they never do it with, say, criminals and their victims. They never say, oh, they were outnumbered. They never do that.

[Dana Perino]

That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't notice that. They pull out David and Goliath when they feel like they want to make a point or when they're on their back foot. Yeah, talk about Goliath. See the governor of Illinois.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, my God, he ate Goliath.

[Dana Perino]

I was going to bring up the. What Obama wanted to do to the intel officers who had the authority. And they were asked to do extremely difficult jobs in order to protect us. And it worked. And then he wanted to go after them afterwards. So how can you expect people. And it's just such a hard thing to ask intel people to have to go and do. We ask our men and women to do very tough things. The law enforcement officers, they need to have confidence that the system is going to have their back. That's one of the problems they have here. This whole qualified immunity thing is a problem in New York City. It's why the cops are like, well, I don't know if I'm going to. Should I actually intervene here or should I just step back? This happened a lot during the George Floyd protests when everyone's saying defund the police. And so you have a terrible slippery slope when it gets to this. And in California, they are on track to finish rebuilding the Pacific palace. It says in 400 years. Yes, but this is the emergency that they're worried about. In 40 years, they haven't laid a single track of high speed rail and that they want to spend $25 million on this. I do wonder at what point they're going to realize they're not winning. There's only one way to try to solve this, which is to take President Trump up on his offer to meet. Yeah, meet, convene and see if you have a better idea on how to smooth out this system so that people who want to come here legally and operate under our laws and our system, if you have that idea, I think he would be very open to hearing it. But they don't. They just dig in their heels.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No. You know, Harold, the good news is Mayor what's her name? Who's Bowser?

[Katie Pavlich]

What's the.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Mario Bowser.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. She just said that they do have water in the hydrants for this emergency.

[Katie Pavlich]

Karen Bass.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Karen Bass, that's it.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, that one.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Couldn't remember her name.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

So good to be back with you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I hope you had a Great to see you, Harold.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The time is as much. It could be a great time yesterday at the White House celebrating.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Charles, would you like to comment on BBWs?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Only the President can say those kinds of things. I think that what LA county is doing here is wrong. Providing financial support to people in the country illegally is not the way to go about showing objection to the hierarchy of deportations in the country. I do think that there's a legitimate argument to be made around in some instances, and perhaps we're only seeing anecdotal evidence of this, but some of the cruelty of these apprehensions can bother people. But this is not the answer to it. I think, Dana, you raised the right point. It still eludes me why and bothers me why the governors and mayors and cities that object to the way ICE for that matter, federal agents being in their city, why they don't ask the president for a meeting. Why don't they seek Opportunity to say, how can we find some common ground here? Because, Mr. President, you said we were going to arrest the violent ones first and get them out of here, but now that we are seemingly past some of that and involving other people, how can we do this the right way? Now, they may not agree, but this back and forth that we see and now this ridiculous public policy proclamation from LA county, when you to your point about the housing situation in the Palisades, not only that, the education challenges, housing challenges for everyday Angelenos. This is not the answer to this question. I give you credit for trying to come up with one, but you should shelve this one and try to get to the White House to figure out a longer term solution.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, they got a lot of problems. Katie, do you think that what you're seeing, it's hard to gauge what is cruel and what is not because the Democrats have destroyed the language. Everything is cruel. Everything is a kidnapping.

[Katie Pavlich]

Right. When they won't condemn real kidnapping.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah.

[Katie Pavlich]

Politically, it makes no sense that at least national Democrats or those who want to be president wouldn't disarm the Trump administration by saying, you know what? You're right about crime. Nobody wants crime. We're going to work with you. And then the talking point in all these press conferences that Trump has don't have the same political impact that they would. But instead, you have people like the governor of Illinois going out and saying he's willing to prosecute ICE agents for taking out foreign criminals and gang bangers from his communities, but he's not willing to prosecute those people who are wreaking havoc on the city of Chicago in those communities. They're not willing to go after the cartels that have been operating in these cities for years and years and years. And when it comes to the things that they're talking about, you know, they use the language, as you mentioned, about they're taking people from job sites, they're kidnapping them. No, they're taking people from job sites where they are trafficking children, they're trafficking women, they're selling drugs, they're engaged in cartel activity, and they're doing it in these places where we've been told for years they're just going to make an honest living. We know that's not the truth. One of the biggest lessons of this whole thing is is that the myth that illegal immigrants don't commit crimes and that it's not an issue has been completely blown out of the water. They have these stats every single week about who they're arresting, what kind of crimes they're committing. And it's not just in Chicago. It's in New York City, it's in California. It's in small towns all over the country. And the cartels have been running cities and countries or counties and towns for years. And the federal government is finally now coming in to clean it up. And the best that someone like Pritzker can do, which is trying to be a leader, is say, I'm going to prosecute the ICE agents who are taking these monsters off the streets. And I just don't think that it plays well now and it's not going to play well in the future.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There you go.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But there are people. We've seen the pictures, moms being thrown to the ground. I just, I hear you and I don't disagree with what you said about the cartels or any of those things. But there's a better way to do.

[Katie Pavlich]

It in the context of the mom getting arrested. I just can't arrest yelling in the face of an ICE agent having a removal order already.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But Katie, I'm not going to argue, but I can show you examples whether it's not the case. I'm just saying how to clean up.

[Jesse Waters]

The mess you made, Harold. We'll clean it up the way we want to.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I'm going to listen to the BBWs. They know what's going on. Call me BBW. Up next, who's got the better beach bod? Trump or sleepy?

[Jesse Waters]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Jesse Waters]

In the nighttime stare at stars in.

[Dana Perino]

The night sky Many have tried to imitate, but there's truly only one President Trump. Here he is comparing how he he looks in a bathing suit compared to Joe Biden.

[Jesse Waters]

I'd like to go to the beach.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know, my legs are not quite as thin as his.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

My legs are slightly heavier. My arms are slightly larger. My body is a little bit larger than his.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm not sure it would be appreciated.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

On the beach, but I'm not going.

[Jesse Waters]

To take a chance.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You won't see me in a bathing suit.

[Jesse Waters]

Somebody told him that he looked good in a bathing suit.

[Dana Perino]

Speaking of who's in better shape, a Certain governor from California is questioning whether the Democratic Party needs to shape up as they face a favorable rating of just 34%.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do you feel like our party is in better shape or worse shape? Are we finding our voice?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Is this shutdown, in a perverse sense, helpful in terms of just organizing that voice and the clarity of what's at stake? All right, well, I'm going to turn that question back around on you, too, but I mean, the polling would not tell you that our party is in good shape today. I mean, we are historically unpopular.

[Dana Perino]

Newsom also continues to mimic Trump's style. He's now accusing Joe Rogan of having something he calls cds.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What do you think he's talking about? I don't know.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I mean, I didn't even. I barely watched what you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The perception of it, the perception of California, the perception of some of the problems that face the state and maybe how some of the people around the country might think. I think there's a California derangement syndrome and he's part of it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I mean, I think people are obsessed with focusing on what's wrong with the state and not what's right with the state.

[Dana Perino]

But the proof is in the U haul. If you look at the numbers, everybody wants to leave, nobody wants to go.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know that Gavin thought he was on Charlemagne.

[Katie Pavlich]

The God.

[Greg Gutfeld]

CDS is not CDS if the data is real, like the U hauls leaving. The reason why Trump derangement is real is because the data is not, you know, the collusion, authoritarianism, war on democracy, fascism, Nazis. No one's ever said that stuff about California, but it's been said about Trump and his followers. I wonder how people can. I think the grip that TDS has on people is starting to, to loosen up, especially after the peace stuff. And they're beginning to see how, how huge and overinflated this demon was. There's no war on democracy, there's no fascism. It's just a guy making peace while also making jokes about not having skinny legs.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I think they have a.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know, with, with Gavin, you almost have this weird choice between all inclusive resorts. You know, all inclusive resorts come with stuff that you love and stuff that you don't. Trump's resort, it may be gaudy and a little unpredictable, but it's walkable. There's lots of stuff to do, and every day you experience something fun and productive. You get what you pay for, but it newsome towers or whatever you call it. The service sucks. You know, no one there works. You're trying to find somebody at the counter, there's nobody there. There's, it's just like you, what you paid for over it in Newsom's resort. So it's a stark choice really between facade and substance, reality and fantasy. And I think that's why Democrats have to indulge these delusions because the reality is too much to bear.

[Dana Perino]

And Harold, the first step to getting better on anything is admitting you have a problem. But they've only gone a half a step because in the clip they say, yeah, we are historically unpopular, but they won't take the next half a step, which is say we did it to ourselves.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, I think you're right. And I think when parties have found themselves at this moment, Democrats, this is not the first time a political party finds itself kind of self loathing and trying to figure out where they go and what the next steps are. But you're right, you have to have answers. We need more, less kind of apologizing and loathing and more offering of new things. You think about where we are today. The government is shut down, AI is enabling inefficiencies, but it's going to displace a lot of workers. We need answers to that, how we're going to create new jobs going forward. Our schools are not working. And Katie, you mentioned a point about Democrats should be welcoming people to their communities as we try to fight crime. They should, but we need a crime bill. Greg and I talked about this yesterday. President Trump's been in office. We've yet to end cashless bail, dangle federal funds out there to these cities and make them end cashless bail in exchange for more money to hire cops and prosecutors and so forth. Democrats, these are the answers we should be providing. The moping and the going on podcasts and saying the same old thing is not going to, is not resonating with voters, let alone winning voters to our side.

[Dana Perino]

And part of the reason for that, Katie, is that they're often on the wrong side of these issues, like on 80, 20 issues or as President Trump says, 97, three issues. They're on the wrong side of it.

[Katie Pavlich]

And they don't have to be. It's a safe, if it's an 8020 issue, it's safe to be on the side of the 80. But they're so focused on Trump that they just can't get themselves out of it. And the old saying is you can't beat them, join them. I mean, Trump is beating them on everything, on crime, on deportation, on the government shutdown, which Republicans historically always lose the argument about. The government shutdown. Democrats could open the government tomorrow. They could work on a crime bill, but they can't do that because they don't want to fund the government.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Could you?

[Katie Pavlich]

Republicans already voted for clean CR and Democrats refused to in the Senate. So Democrats should vote for that so they can reopen the government. And also Democrats are focused on the wrong guy. Trump is not running for reelection. He is done in 2028. And yet Democrats continue to go after him. Presidential hopefuls like Gavin Newsom can't get over the fact that he just needs to come up with his own ideas, can't just copy Trump for everything that he does. And they're just not authentic. They're not putting out anything original. And for Gavin Newsom to sit there and scoff at someone like Joe Rogan, who. The left is desperately trying to find their own Joe Rogan.

[Dana Perino]

They had one.

[Katie Pavlich]

He not only left Democratic Party, he also left California along with a lot of his rich friends. And there are still people leaving California. So they've got to come up with different ideas that are helpful to their constituents rather than constantly fighting someone who isn't even running for reelection.

[Dana Perino]

And I want California to be great. I lived in San Diego for three years. I'd love to go and visit and enjoy. But Jesse is your name. Many large companies have decided to leave and they're specifically saying is because of some of Gavin's policies. Tesla, Chevron, Oracle, Charles Schwab. And Chevron was actually very explicit in saying it was Governor Newsom's policies that took them out.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, but he's still a threat. He'll probably get the nom and he'll lie his way to the top. He's rich, he's tall, and he has a nice looking family and lies very effectively.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Sounds like someone else I know.

[Jesse Waters]

Me. But he's always coming across as a little less crazy than the rest of the Democrats. And that's where his threat is. Dana, have you ever been dumped?

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Okay, well, I haven't. So if you were dumped, do you sit alone in a room and wallow? I did for a year. Say what went wrong.

[Dana Perino]

I did for two weeks. And then Andre Aragon, my college roommate, said get up. And we went country music dancing every Saturday night for the rest of the.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay, Jesse, get this. We now are just such good friends.

[Jesse Waters]

To this day it does.

[Dana Perino]

I'll never forget it. Oh, I got dumped big time.

[Jesse Waters]

So they didn't wait, they waited what, 11 months and they're still not getting out there. There's millions of voters out there. Go out, make your pitch. Do what Harold says. Except the crime bill. We're not going to give you guys more money so you can steal it, but do something different. Don't just sit alone in a room and zoom. It's so stupid.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Maybe listen to the BBWs.

[Jesse Waters]

That's actually not a bad idea.

[Katie Pavlich]

It's a constituency Democrats used to own.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, not in that way.

[Dana Perino]

All right, ahead, Cheryl Hines throws down with the ladies of the view over RFK Jr.

[Jesse Waters]

I don't know you like this, but he don't know you like that. America's favorite pizza chain.

[Katie Pavlich]

Curb your arrangement. Cheryl Hines walking straight into the lion's den, defending her husband, HHS Secretary RFK Jr. Against the ever spiteful ladies of the View.

[Dana Perino]

The problem, respectfully, is that your husband is the least qualified Department of Health and Human Services head that we've had in history.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I didn't. I think that's a very dangerous.

[Katie Pavlich]

Dangerous. Less qualified than an economist.

[Dana Perino]

I think he is less qualified. His career studying toxins, studying people's health, fighting for one guy who was using.

[Katie Pavlich]

Roundup for his job has also spread.

[Dana Perino]

A lot of misinformation, a lot of chaos, a lot of confusion. When you say, you know, misinformation, disinformation.

[Katie Pavlich]

We could go back to Covid when he's connecting circumcision.

[Dana Perino]

May I finish, please? When people fauci. People were saying, when you get the vaccine, you cannot transmit Covid, it will stop Covid. And that was disinformation, misinformation, even baby formula. Now we were finding out there's arsenic, there's lead. So the question is, who is running HHS when they allowed lead and arsenic in a baby formula? How is that person not.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Dana Perino]

No, I'm saying Bobby is the one getting this out. I know. Yeah. Thank you.

[Katie Pavlich]

And with treatment like that, the View seems stumped as to why Republicans don't want to come on their show.

[Dana Perino]

I think that we should have more Republicans on the show.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But they don't want to come on. They're scared of us.

[Dana Perino]

It's like Marjorie Taylor Greene says, that she finds the Republican men afraid of powerful women. Well, that may be true of all. All the political persuasions, but if they would come on this show and they can explain to us what they're trying to do to this country.

[Katie Pavlich]

They never invite anybody.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I was on the View. I was on the view 23 years ago when I was in my early 20s and Joy was in her 60s. But it will get this. It was a segment on lingerie. So imagine doing that now on the View. Lingerie segment on the View. That would be like the five doing a segment on being unattractive because they're so amazing. You know, you could pose critical questions to the guests. But it's kind of hard when you're the least credible people when it comes to science. These are very obtuse people. They were terrible on Covid trans climate. The only area of expertise they're good at is which. Which Burger King Drive Thru is open at breakfast after one. Remember, these were the people that said that. Dr. Jill, remember, this would be a good surgeon general. And she's. I think she's not a doctor. I'm pretty sure. I know that she. The only advice she gives is which batteries to put in a life alert.

[Katie Pavlich]

So, Dana, I give her credit for going in and then getting pestered with questions, not necessarily about her career and her accomplishments as a woman, but about what her husband is doing. But she brings up the point of, look, there are all these things happening in the country. We have a health crisis and at least we have someone looking under the hood to maybe find some alternatives to the status quo.

[Dana Perino]

So I'm going to take a. I think I have a little bit of a different take, but it just came to me as I watched that. So she didn't write a book about her husband. She didn't write a book in order to go out there and say, I can't wait to go out there and answer all these questions about him. But she loves her husband and she is absolutely going to stick up for him. And the thing is, is that all of those women there know that she didn't write a book about her husband. And is she, is she making those decisions? Is she the Health and Human Services secretary? Would they like to have RFK Jr come on the show? Because I bet it. I bet he'd go on in a second.

[Katie Pavlich]

Exactly.

[Dana Perino]

If he were invited. And part of me feels like, would the show have done better by saying, we're so glad you came. Thank you for being here. Your husband is super controversial. We're gonna skip over that. Let's talk about you. Because do they care about what women are talking about?

[Greg Gutfeld]

There would be so much stuff to ask her about what, how her life has changed. Like, I don't think she was a Trump supporter. She lived in la.

[Dana Perino]

You know, there's lots of other things. But her husband is a lightning rod. She knew that. She went on for all of those things. But As I said, I think it was Monday when we're talking about George Stephanopoulos. Every interviewer gets a choice of what they want to ask about, and she has a choice of how she wants to answer. Obviously, she's gonna stick up for her husband.

[Katie Pavlich]

Jesse, when are you going on the View?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I do know.

[Katie Pavlich]

Has she invited you, or are you afraid?

[Jesse Waters]

No. If I do go, though, I'm gonna kiss all the women before I sit down. Ah, good move, because that's what Cheryl did. She goes in, she kisses every single one of them, and then sits. That's a great way to break the ice. So that's what I'll be doing. Not with tongue. Don't even get it twisted. Imagine if Emma writes a book about Emma and she goes on the View to sell it because we need the money, and they just start attacking her over things I've said. That's not fair. That's not fair. It's really not fair. Even I can't defend some of the things I've said. This show's different because we let Harold talk.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Thank you.

[Jesse Waters]

It's not a pile on. We don't just cut you off like Jessica. We listen. She's a guest on the show. Show a little respect, Harold.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Look, I. What a segue.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I think in fairness to them, if you're married to RFK Jr. And you go on a show, you're probably going to get questions about it. I thought, you know, I didn't see the whole thing, and I don't. I would want my spouse to defend me. And I thought she did a really rigorous job, as Dana said, in defending her husband. Look, I think some of the things that RFK Jr. Is doing around food and some of the awareness he's given us, giving us or raising awareness about the harm. The harm that pesticides causes, including increases in Parkinson's occurrences and incidences in our country. These are things I think a lot of us were hoping he would continue to draw attention to. What I find difficulty in some of the things that he's recommended around the health stuff. And if they wanted to ask her those questions, I'd have been more pointed out. And finally, I think the urgency of the issue for me, with what I disagree wholeheartedly with right now with the HHS secretary, are just some of the firings at CDC and some of the way they're going about taking some of the federal funding from these university hospitals that are doing great research. But she probably knew she was going to get those questions. And I thought she Handled it pretty well.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Katie Pavlich]

I don't think they asked her a ton of questions, though. They mostly attacked her and asked her.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, it's question attack. Depends on what you know. I hear you as someone that had to answer questions that I thought were attack, attack like. And we've had this conversation with JD Vance and Katie Porter. This is what happens when you're in public. You're going to get questions you don't like. And if you don't want the questions, don't accept the interview.

[Katie Pavlich]

Well, speaking of someone who doesn't really like questions, Alec Baldwin's whale of a tale did a garbage truck driver caused him to crash his wife's car.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Liberty Mutual customized.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The Great d'. Angelo. Shocking new footage from what the truck company says. It's its vehicle's dash cam showing the moment when Alec Baldwin and his brother Steven crashed his wife's Range Rover into a tree in East Hampton, New York during a storm. Mr. Baldwin blames a garbage truck driver for what happened. The guy cut me off in a truck. A garbage truck. I mean, a garbage truck the size of a whale. It's the biggest garbage truck I've ever seen. To avoid hitting him, I. I hit a tree. I hit a big fat tree and crushed my car. My wife's car. I crushed my wife's car. I feel bad about that, but it's all fine and I'm fine and my brother's fine. Thankfully, no one was hurt. The police back up Mr. Baldwin's account of the story, but the sanitation company tells TMZ that its driver was not at fault. This story, I know we were trying to get to a little bit of it yesterday. Greg, you have thoughts on this?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think that this is a great story because it's not about the accident. It's about the people in the accident. You know who was in that car? Alec and Stephen. Stephen is a die hard Trump fan. Alec is the complete opposite. They were estranged for a while and now they're together. They're doing stuff. This is what I'm saying about tds. We have peace in the Middle East. You know, it's like maybe if Stephen and Alec can get in car accidents together, then can't you call, you know, if you're a liberal watching, can't you call your brother in law who voted for Trump and say, look, you know what, Let bygones be bygones. But it seems like a lot of Alex problems has to do with impatience. And it's my problem as well. You know, you always end up regretting when you go in a hurry, that's what I say.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

DP your thoughts on this?

[Dana Perino]

It just seems like trouble follows him everywhere. Right. And I. So maybe that's just like the way that it is for him. I believe the garbage man.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I've heard that before.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Katie, I agree with Dana.

[Katie Pavlich]

Just based on the history of Alec Baldwin refusing to take any responsibility for anything. Always, always blame the little guy. Always blame someone who can't fight back against him. But we'll see. I'm glad that there was nobody injured or severely injured or killed in this kind of accident. The weather was pretty bad. So glad that everybody's okay and he'll be able to afford a new car.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Brian, Tom, your thoughts?

[Jesse Waters]

I'm thinking if I could be so successful that if I got into a car accident, they would cover it on Fox. That is amazing. I mean, he's just a dude. He gets into a car accident and it's like breaking news throughout the country. I am starting to warm up to Alec Baldwin. I know he killed the woman and that was a big mistake.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, he's found not guilty.

[Jesse Waters]

Big mistake. Right, but squeeze the trigger and the bullet came out and hit her.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But.

[Jesse Waters]

But he's funny. All admit the man is funny.

[Katie Pavlich]

Alec Baldwin is funny.

[Jesse Waters]

He is really funny. I just like the way he talks. It is also funny how he blamed his wife's car for the accident. Kind of like. Like it was like a Barbie Jeep. He couldn't control it.

[Dana Perino]

Like she was driving somehow.

[Katie Pavlich]

Like. Right.

[Jesse Waters]

Like he brings her. It's like a Range Rover. They drive great in the rain. They' made in England. Aren't they made in England?

[Katie Pavlich]

Yes. Yeah, they are.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Remember when we did a whole hour on Tiger Woods?

[Katie Pavlich]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Our accident. How? Like, remember that? We acted like it was like the end of civilization.

[Jesse Waters]

I mean, for a lot of golf fans, it was Greg.

[Dana Perino]

No, it happened at like 4:56pm and then we did it for an hour.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yes, we did it for many.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Tiger Woods, a historic figure. It was like, dude, he's. He's the fine.

[Jesse Waters]

No, he wasn't fine. He shattered his leg. He broke his back. He was out of golf for a very long time and then he came back and won the Masters and got the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Also a Trump fan.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, never mind then.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm glad. Alec Baldwin and his brother. Fine. He's a friend. Up next, are there more Katie Porter videos out there of her going nuts on her staff even she's not sure.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I never really believed people were born.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Evil until I Met Ted.

[Jesse Waters]

The blood had been drained from the body.

[Katie Pavlich]

They're hard to look at.

[Jesse Waters]

Ted, have you ever committed murder?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I certainly feel like one anywhere.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Would you remember if you done something like that? He enjoyed the chase, he enjoyed the capture. He enjoyed the whole thing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hunting Bundy streaming now on Fox Nation. I never really believe people.

[Dana Perino]

I'm saying to you, is that.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, to those voters.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Okay, so, so you.

[Katie Pavlich]

I don't want to keep doing this.

[Dana Perino]

I'm going to call it. Hang on one second, everybody. We should put the computer up. Yes, yes, we should have. Yes. Okay, everybody. I'm not that dark and the state could lose. Get out of my shot.

[Jesse Waters]

Is there another video floating around of potatoes scolding her staff? Even she's not sure.

[Dana Perino]

Can voters be confident that there won't be another one of those videos that's going to come to light? What I do know is that I could have done better in that situation. That's not a no. So is there potentially another video that we're gonna see? I'm gonna be honest with you. I know that that video and that video was several years ago, as you know. And apologize to the staffer. That's super important to me and will continue to try to hold myself to do better.

[Jesse Waters]

Is there another video?

[Dana Perino]

Probably. And this is the thing that she has. She is as it's so common that she has a go to phrase. She knows exactly what to say. Yes, I should, I should have. It was important to me. I'm sorry. And the thing is maybe she should just own it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Okay.

[Dana Perino]

Because she's been in the lead as the Democrat in the Democratic lead for governor in California. To me, these leaks are coming from other Democrats. There's a former colleague of hers, Democrat, Anonymous. And I believe either CNN or Politico today saying she's always the smartest person in the room. Like nobody likes her. So to me, if you want to be a badass watchers boss, yes, you can.

[Katie Pavlich]

I say that.

[Dana Perino]

Yes, you should just say you want to work for me. I'm tough. And that's why I'm going to. I will save California. I'm going to save your money. I'm going to crack down on crime. Because she knows there's other videos. Instead of being like all meek and mild, just own it.

[Jesse Waters]

She should announce. Greg, everybody that has a take of me going crazy, just put it out there.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I think, I think we know what she's worried about is the sex video.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Which we all have. I admire her because we're living in the age of appearances. We're always on camera. We film everything. TVs are high def. And she is resisting the makeover. She is saying, I will never ever change who I am. She is a hero. I want to tell you young people something, Katie. Okay. Back in the 1970s, everybody looked like Katie Porter. We did not have YouTube instructional videos about how to straighten your hair, how to pop a zit. All we had was Clearasil, Stridex and Aquanac and Sea Breeze and none of it worked. She was every woman at a singles bar. She was your friend's mom and she was 30.

[Dana Perino]

That's so true.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Is it true?

[Katie Pavlich]

Yes.

[Jesse Waters]

Harold. Harold, is that true?

[Greg Gutfeld]

True. People didn't get attractive until the Internet.

[Katie Pavlich]

Or the 90s where the Internet came. Yeah.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Look, watch friends. They're not even hot at the beginning.

[Jesse Waters]

Don't you dare say that about David Schwimmer.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, they're under track. But look at people now. They are so much better looking because all they got to do is they have everything at their fingertips.

[Jesse Waters]

Jennifer Aniston looks better now.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes.

[Jesse Waters]

Like 20 years older.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I have. I have millions of examples that I can't even mention here.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Did you watch Charlie's Angels as a kid?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Did you?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, yeah.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Jacksoni and Love shot.

[Dana Perino]

There were exceptions. They were in Hollywood. But like, what Greg is saying is that everybody looked like Katie Porter when you went to like the Saturday potluck.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Look at pictures of your parents and their friends when they're your age, they look so much older.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I give her. I was very critical of her over the last week or two because I don't think you should walk away from interviews. It's not the way. It's not the.

[Jesse Waters]

You see pictures of like people in college and they're like, they ancient. They have like beards and like hair and it's like, dad, you were 20.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Harold. He didn't even.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Life expectancy was a lot shorter back then. I also think I give her some credit for at least apologizing. But if there are other videos out, I think that the Dana Perino approach might be the better one.

[Jesse Waters]

Even a sex video, Harold. Even a sex.

[Dana Perino]

Absolutely still stand by that.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't watch.

[Dana Perino]

I'm going to be. I'm going to be.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, that wasn't the question point.

[Dana Perino]

I'm going to be mean to everyone tomorrow. I'm just going to try it.

[Katie Pavlich]

You're going to feel bad about it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How's that any different?

[Jesse Waters]

You're going to go full potatoes.

[Dana Perino]

Peter's like, well, we know What? That's like.

[Katie Pavlich]

Producers want me to get this back on track. Right. I'm not even going to try. I'm just, I hate that our names are Katie. I have embraced them.

[Dana Perino]

This is not Karen, by the way.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There's probably a lot of Katie Porters in general, right? It's a very common name.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, it is true. And I actually think Jennifer Aniston was much better looking in Friends. I don't know why I said that. I think I meant she was more glamorous. Now she's more glam.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Why don't we get on to the next segment?

[Katie Pavlich]

Right. She's also richer now. Like she has a lot of money. Money buys a lot of makeover for everyone.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, I hope so. One more thing's up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Time now for one more thing. I get to go first tonight. We've got Kennedy, Jeff Dye, my good friend Molly Hemingway and Tyrus. Let's do this. Animals are great. Animals are great. Animals are great. With your good friend Brit Hume. This is Iceman, one of a handful of beagles. There's a handful of beagles using their incredible sense of smell to sniff out cancer in humans. Dana, aren't these dogs marvelous? A health startup company is using pups like him as an alternate method to get screened. All patients must do is breathe into a mask for a few minutes. My good friend Juan Williams would do that before the show. And then the beagles go to work. The company says the dogs detect cancer with a 94% accuracy. That's as accurate as Marla Hemingway's political takes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Jesse.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, the hunts this weekend. 30,000 people are going to be out in Far Hills. This is the biggest steeplechase horse race in the nation. It's just about an hour outside the city and the proceeds go to health care in the state. So far, they've raised 22 mil. So go to farhillsrace.org for more. It's also airing on Fox Sports 2 tonight. Jesse Waters primetime, Alex Clark, Newt Gingrich, Chris Hansen, and Abby Hornisek. You should do Newt talking to Britt.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I should. I'm glad. I haven't seen Chris Hansen since he was in my kitchen a few years ago. All right, Dana.

[Dana Perino]

At the stakeout.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

All right. An Oklahoma police officer stole the show responding to a noise complaint about a local party. After arriving on scene, an officer busted out some smooth moves, cheered on me. This is, this is what it's come to, guys. You gotta have the cops get along with everybody. Just a few moves like that. There you Go Oklahoma for the win.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, Harold.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

A Florida teen is being praised for being a hero after saving his five year old nonverbal sister from a lake. Body cam video shows a 17 year old wading into the water and pulling her from tangled branches as deputies rush to help. Officials say his quick action saved her life. God bless them.

[Katie Pavlich]

Good job. All right. A remarkable discovery in Oxfordshire, England. One of the most extensive dinosaur trackways ever found in Europe has recently been found. Very cool. Dating back approximately 166 million years to the Jurassic period, the site reveals an extraordinary trail of 100 fossilized footprints from the three toed Megalosaurus who was a carnivore. So the prehistoric history is going to be that for health. Carefully recorded and carefully reburied for protection.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Perfect spot for the Biden library. Am I right? Because he's old. That's it for us. Have a great night. Hey, Brett.

[Jesse Waters]

Hey Greg. So Britt is on the Show.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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