Maximum Penalty

Summary

The Five – "Maximum Penalty" (September 9, 2025)

Episode Overview

This episode of The Five centers around high-profile, divisive news stories and controversies, with a focus on the murder of Ukrainian refugee Irina Zarutska in North Carolina, the broader issues of crime and criminal justice, the public’s shifting attitudes toward capitalism and socialism, immigration enforcement, and the changing role of media personalities in the modern era. The panel—Jesse Waters, Kayleigh McEnany, Jessica Tarlov, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld—bring their trademark spirited debate, mixing serious commentary with sardonic humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Murder of Irina Zarutska, Crime, and Media Narratives

• Horrific Crime and Political Fallout

  • Jesse Waters opens by describing the brutal video of Ukrainian refugee Irina Zarutska’s murder, noting, "No one steps in to help, and moments later, she collapses to the floor while her killer walks away dripping in blood." (01:04)
  • The panel criticizes the media’s response, with Waters suggesting the mainstream press is more "outraged that you care" than they are about the crime itself.

• Media and Political Framing

  • Greg Gutfeld argues that outrage over murder is politicized by the left:
    "There was a time...when murder wasn’t a political issue...then the left put that through the ideological meat grinder...Suddenly crime became a response to oppression...if you cross the street to avoid a gang, that was your fault, not the gangs." (02:47)
  • Dana Perino notes the chilling bystander effect:
    "It's even more chilling to see that nobody moved...If conservatives are pouncing on this issue, is that good? Could conservatives pouncing save lives in the future? I mean, maybe." (05:37)

• Calls for Accountability

  • Kayleigh McEnany criticizes judicial failures and calls for political action:
    "We need accountability. We need judges. And I hope your side of the aisle will partner with the Republicans. Sign the letter. Let's get this lady out of here." (11:49)
  • Jessica Tarlov highlights issues with involuntary commitment requests and the limits of current policies:
    "His mother had wanted him involuntarily committed. He had beaten up his own sister...You could be sitting in a park...and there is someone completely out of their mind." (08:05)

Notable Quotes

• Greg Gutfeld (02:47):
  "If you express rage over blacks getting killed in Chicago, that's racist. If you express outrage over whites getting killed in Charlotte, that's also racist. So what does that tell you? Could it be that just expressing outrage over murder in general is the problem?"

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2. The Decline of Capitalism’s Popularity & Rise of Socialist Sentiment

• Gallup Poll Shock
  • Kayleigh McEnany states, "Just 54% of the public now has a favorable view of capitalism. Now that's the lowest Gallup has ever measured. Only 42% of Democrats view capitalism favorably, while 66% have a positive view of socialism." (13:31)
• Generational Perspectives
  • Jesse Waters observes:
    "These people in this new generation had a tough upbringing...great recession, flat wages, COVID lockdowns...a lot of people feel like they're working hard but they're not getting ahead." (19:03)
• Populism and Political Messaging
  • Jessica Tarlov explains that young people equate "democratic socialism" with affordable services:
    "When you talk to people, what they think this means, they think it means having affordable childcare, they think it means universal health care." (22:04)
  • Greg Gutfeld counters:
    "Capitalism doesn't have to be perfect to work. Socialism has to be perfect, to work. Which is why it has to be done with force." (17:14)

Notable Quotes

• Kayleigh McEnany (14:32):
  "Bring in John Fetterman, a voice of reason trying to snap his party out of the socialist trance."

• Dana Perino (16:05):
  "We are only basically a generation removed from the Soviet Union...The utopia that they think they are going to get will never materialize."

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3. Immigration Enforcement and "Disappearing" Controversy

• ICE and Operation Midway Blitz
  • The panel discusses Tom Homan (former ICE director) responding to accusations that ICE is "disappearing migrants."
  • Greg Gutfeld says, "We're enforcing the law and arresting people here in violation of law that are public safety threats. That's not disappearing people. That's enforcing the laws of this country." (26:22)
• Word Play in Politics
  • Kayleigh McEnany critiques MSNBC’s use of terminology:
    "They use the phrase disappearing, and we're all supposed to go, ooh, this is clever and scary. Disappearing people. It's a terrible word...it makes them feel smarter." (29:24)
• Legal Nuances and Policy Debate
  • The debate intensifies over the specifics and ethics of mass deportations, individual hardship stories, and congressional responsibility for immigration reform, with both sides citing statistics and specific stories to support their arguments (32:37–34:41).

Notable Quotes

• Jesse Waters (30:48):
  "So they destroyed the country with migrants, and they have a problem with the way we're handling it. You can sit this one out. ... If you're an illegal alien in this country without the right paperwork, ICE can go pick you up and disappear you. ... That's what we mean when we Say mass deportation. They're all going out."

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4. The Media’s “Death” and Declining Credibility

• Don Lemon Street Encounter

  • The panel discusses a viral video where Don Lemon (former CNN anchor) is insulted during a street interview.
  • Greg Gutfeld observes:
    "It’s funny how Lemon thinks because he's an anchor, he's going to own this guy. ...We're living in an era where we've actually seen the emperor with no clothes. That emperor is the media. The clothes were their credibility. It's gone." (36:16-37:58)
  • Jesse Waters:
    "The problem is you can't get into an argument with some random dude about whether you're an idiot or not. ...The emperor has no clothes, and he has a microscopic penis." (38:05)

• Shifting Information Landscape

  • The group broadly agrees that the monopoly of old media on "truth" is over, replaced by a populist, distributed social media environment.

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5. Lighter Segments & Memorable Moments

• White House “Fight Club”
  • With Politico reporting on internal Trump administration brawls, the panel jokes about the "pirate ship" mentality and "Galpha" (gay alpha) energy. (40:25–41:57)
• Personal Updates and Banter
  • Jessica Tarlov shares her attendance at a Broadway gala, wearing her wedding dress, to lighthearted ribbing from her co-hosts. (43:27–43:53)
• Humor on Dog Surfing
  • Dana Perino brings up a dog-surfing competition for charity:
    "I just feel like there are so many of these competitions of dog surfing." (44:09)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Crime & Irina Zarutska Case: 01:04 – 12:01
• Capitalism vs. Socialism Debate: 13:31 – 24:16
• Immigration Enforcement & “Disappearing” Debate: 25:51 – 34:41
• Media “Death” & Don Lemon Segment: 35:35 – 39:44
• White House Fight Club Banter: 40:25 – 41:57
• Closing “One More Thing” Banter: 42:37 – 44:44

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Notable Quotes & Speaker Attribution

• Greg Gutfeld (on crime/media):
  "If you express rage over blacks getting killed in Chicago, that's racist. If you express outrage over whites getting killed in Charlotte, that's also racist." (02:47)

• Kayleigh McEnany (on capitalism):
  "Just 54% of the public now has a favorable view of capitalism. Only 42% of Democrats view capitalism favorably, while 66% have a positive view of socialism." (13:31)

• Jessica Tarlov (on young voters/socialism):
  "Young people or whoever Johnny's interviewing are saying that this is socialism. But what Zoran Mamdani and AOC and Bernie Sanders are talking about is democratic socialism, not socialism, like when the government owns the means of production." (21:40)

• Jesse Waters (on immigration):
  "That's what we mean when we Say mass deportation. They're all going out. And as a matter of fact, they're not going out fast enough." (30:48)

• Greg Gutfeld (on media):
  "Today, September 9th, officially, the media is dead. DOA...Nobody believes Don Lemon. Nobody believes Brian Stelter. Nobody believes Jim Acosta. ...They're dead. The whole thing is dead." (36:29–37:58)

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Episode Tone and Takeaways

The tone swings from somber and incensed (on crime and criminal justice) to sarcastic and irreverent (on politics and the media), with rapid-fire exchanges and occasional tangents. The hosts are eager to critique perceived failures among political opponents, decry ideological hypocrisy, and revel in the supposed decline of traditional mainstream media. Despite frequent interruptions and spirited disagreements, the group stays focused on framing conservative talking points within the context of contemporary controversies.

The episode may be particularly useful for listeners wanting to understand how culture-war flashpoints are framed and debated on highly partisan media, and how media personalities both reflect and shape public discourse on hot-button issues.

Transcript

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[Jesse Waters]

Hello, everybody. I'm Jesse Waters along with Kayleigh McEnany, Jessica Tarlov, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City, and this is the five. The Trump administration is bringing federal charges against the monster who slaughtered Ukrainian refugee Irina Zarutska and seeking the death penalty. This is. We get horrific new video of the aftermath and viewer warning. It's tough to watch. You can see the look of pure terror on Irina's face after the attack. She's cowering in fear and covering her face. No one steps in to help, and moments later, she collapses to the floor while her killer walks away dripping in blood. But the liberal media isn't outraged by this heinous crime. They're outraged that you care. Politico says Ukrainian refugee killed in North Carolina gets dragged into political messaging war. Axios has the headline Grisly Charlotte stabbing video fuels.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You have a Ukrainian refugee's murder caught on camera.

[Dana Perino]

It is absolutely horrific.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Trump is now seizing on this to.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Push his nationwide crackdown.

[Jesse Waters]

But President Trump showing no mercy to the killer.

[Greg Gutfeld]

She was slaughtered by a deranged monster who was roaming free after 14 prior arrests. We cannot allow a depraved criminal element of violent repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country. We have to respond with force and strength.

[Jesse Waters]

We have to be vicious just like they are. It's the only thing they understand. All right. So pretty astounding the way the media is characterizing this, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I mean, there was a time, and I know it was hard to believe, when murder wasn't a political issue, when we were kind of all against it, no matter what side you were on. We just kind of felt murder was bad. But then the left put that through the ideological meat grinder, where suddenly crime became a response to oppression, an act by the oppressed. And that meant the victim was a lesser problem in the left's hierarchy of problems. And so what you saw was the Dems became kind of known for being soft on crime, but the media stepped in to twist that narrative into a form of suicidal empathy. It's like you're supposed to care until it hurts. That meant that if you cross the street to avoid a gang, that was your fault, not the gangs. You were a racist if you looked out for your own self preservation. So it's the crime. To the media, it isn't murder. It's that you notice the murder. And they will say, and you ask why? And they will say, well, obviously it's to score political points. That's what you're doing. So you have to think about that. Why is it scoring political points? Aren't you just saying that you're revealing your own guilt? That anytime somebody voices outrage, you're in danger of being exposed for your ambivalence towards crime and your pro crime policies. Like if you did, if that wasn't an issue, you wouldn't care if people express their outrage because it wouldn't affect you. But you're going, my God, the spotlight is now on us. Now we have to defend all the terrible things we've done. And just a point that is very obvious. It's not like we cherry pick crimes. When you're a right winger, you've been talking about crime your entire life, sometimes to a fault. Remember, we are genetically predisposed to self defense. We talk about crime all the time. This is our wheelhouse. We just expect you to, to come out and be on our side when the most obvious, horrible things happen. It's. It's kind of funny. If you express rage over blacks getting killed in Chicago, that's racist. If you explain, if you express outrage over whites getting killed in Charlotte, that's also racist. So what does that tell you? Could it be that just expressing outrage over murder in general is the problem? Because you're exposing the Democrats and the media's ambivalence about protecting innocent people from the criminals that you empathize more with?

[Jesse Waters]

And you know, yesterday, Dana, we were discussing this and we had only seen the frozen image. And now you see the aftermath and it's really tough.

[Dana Perino]

So the video circle circulating online of the actual stabbing is genuinely Horrifying for what is done to her, but also because it's even more chilling to see that nobody moved.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

Nobody tried to help her. And so if conservatives are pouncing on this issue, is that good? Could conservatives pouncing save lives in the future? I mean, maybe. Is that what it's going to take? We're gonna have to pounce.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, we pounce there.

[Dana Perino]

I'll pounce. Okay. Nobody else is pouncing. It's especially wild when you consider the Ukrainian angle. I've been supportive of Ukrainian refugees from the start. So is most of the media, so is most of the left. Until now. Why now? Why all of a sudden is this a conservative talking point? You even have the suspect's mother asking for something to have been done that the system failed her because she didn't know she wants him put away. I think one of the most chilling things, as you saw the graphics today that we were using on Fox, if you have the 14 mugshots all up on one thing and then the mayor says you can't arrest yourself out of this problem. That's like saying you can't diet your way out of losing weight. You can. And if it's really hard, throw in a GLP1 and maybe you can get some more help. So that's what you could do here with these prosecutors. Gavin Newsom tried to take some of the fire off of his state and other blue states by saying, look, there's crime in red states too. Well, okay, ding dong. The point is that the mayors of the cities, the attorneys general, the U.S. not the U.S. attorneys, but the, well, maybe under Biden, but, but the state prosecutors, the city prosecutors. But that's what we have here in New York. It's definitely what they have in D.C. but Judge Jeanine Pirro is having to deal with the fact that not only did a lot of lawyers leave the office just out of protest because they don't want to fight crime or something, you have the D.C. attorney, Brian Schwab responsible for a lot of this revolving door policy. And so I am happy to pounce if it's going to help save some lives in the future.

[Jesse Waters]

You know, we know that Democrats were, you know, very behind these Ukrainian refugees. Jessica, we heard a lot about how we need to take them in and we also hear a lot about how we need to protect women from the Democratic Party. Why don't you think you've heard more from Democrat politicians on this heinous crime?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I think, I mean, this crime which occurred took place on August 22, we didn't have video footage until a couple days ago, listening to the U.S. attorney there. It took a while to even bring the charges because federal charges, they said it could actually take up to months. And this was a fast tracking of it. So this only kind of swooped into the national consciousness a few days ago. I'm not saying that it was picked up with the same, you know, veracity or verve as, for instance, what happened on the New York City subway with Jordan Neely and Daniel Penney at all. But I do think that the Runway hasn't been as long for people to be paying attention. You have now obviously heard from all of the Democratic officials, certainly across North Carolina, and in a few that have been asked on camera. But this seems like a really good opportunity to get behind the US Attorney there who is bringing these federal charges and to make a serious point about this guy and the direct link between a revolving door of people who are imprisoned over and over again and then on top of it. And I'll repeat my point from yesterday, Dana already mentioned his mother had wanted him involuntarily committed. He had beaten up his own sister. That you're going to have a lot of people who would typically not be enthusiastic about a policy of involuntary commitment getting behind it, because there is this anxiety that you could sit down on any form of public transport. You could be sitting in a park having lunch with a friend, and there is someone completely out of their mind. Odds are that they've been through our system that comes up behind you and sits next to you. The fact that nobody budged is unimaginable to me. And even if I understand it, you know, it wasn't score. It didn't look like the movies once we finally saw it. But I'm sure she was making noise and she's holding the side of her face, and you see the woman who's sitting directly across from her turn her head towards her and then just turn it back. And we have become so programmed to just be in our phones listening to whatever it is or not wanting to deal with the fact that we are all living together on this planet, that I don't know if something could have.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Been different for her.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But that woman, for all intents and purposes on top of what happened to her, had to die alone.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Which I do see acceptance. Like when you look at the people, they just accept that this stuff now happens and better just stay away. It's everybody. It's not just that. It's like in muggings or anything. People just you know, but you would.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Think differently of Charlotte, North Carolina?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I under, you know, Dan Penny, you know, went and did it. He got arrested.

[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah. Right.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, yeah, yeah.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You know, we've heard sympathy from the left and from you, Jessica. I know that's heartfelt, and it's great, but, you know, sympathy is important, but also, we need accountability. And I think we need to ask ourselves, how do we make this doesn't happen again? And to me, there's pretty simple answers. You know, you mentioned the crazy person roaming around that commits random violence. Well, that crazy person usually has priors, and this crazy person had 14 priors. We went through the 14 mug shots. Dana mentioned them. Well, also behind those 14 mug shots is a story behind the 14th one. The magistrate judge. The magistrate judge who he went before for his final arrest, let him out on cashless bail on a written promise. So this deranged individual gets out on a written promise on cashless bail and then goes on to murder a woman in her Pizzeria outfit at 9:45pm him on the L train. Well, how do we fix that? Number one, you mentioned Democrats in North Carolina. Will they sign on with the Republicans from North Carolina who want to remove this magistrate judge? Every single Republican assigned this congressional letter. Will the Democratic Congress men and women do that? What about Randy? Fine. He's putting forward broad legislation to remove judges nationwide who do this kind of behavior. We need accountability. We need judges. And I hope your side of the aisle will partner with the Republicans. Sign the letter. Let's get this lady out of here.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You want me to sign? You always look at me like I'm right here.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You can sign for.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm being addressed. So I turned my head, but I'm sure you'd sign it. Jessica, we just don't know about your colleagues in North Carolina.

[Jessica Tarlov]

My colleagues? I don't work for the party ahead.

[Jesse Waters]

Big John Fetterman calls out the morons in his party who are drinking the socialist Kool Aid.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I can dance.

[Jesse Waters]

I can talk. Only thing about me is the way I walk.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I can. If you're an illegal alien, if you've.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Kayleigh McEnany]

Is taking a nosedive. Just 54% of the public now has a favorable view of capitalism. Now that's the lowest Gallup has ever measured. You could probably guess which party is causing the slide. You got it right. Only 42% of Democrats view capitalism favorably, while 66% have a positive view of socialism. Of course, the squad is egging on the Marxist revolution.

[Dana Perino]

What it's about is the corruption and.

[Jesse Waters]

The rigging of the economy by the wealthiest few. I think most people in this country wouldn't mind if people made wealth.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

But if it's made at the expense of others, there has to be a.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Way where we can all be compensated.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

In a way that allows us to, to live and feed our kids.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I think it's very understandable when you.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Feel like you've inherited this world, that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I don't even know how a lot.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Of people even make it. But bring in John Fetterman, a voice of reason trying to snap his party out of the socialist trance.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I literally was in a former communist nation and I asked that, I said, some people in my party, some of the lefties are talking about socialism now. What do you think?

[Jesse Waters]

He's like, that's the worst thing ever.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You would never want to live here. I've lived through that kind of a thing. You know, you're going to need a reality check if you ever adopt any of those things, you know, like you are morons. It's like it was a nightmare for us.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You know, Dana, I made the argument that if you move socialism outside of New York City, it loses Jamaal Bowman, by way of example, 17 points. But I don't know, this poll suggests there's something deeper going on.

[Dana Perino]

Well, I think one of the most interesting things I've seen about all of this lately was on Water's World. Well, what do you call it?

[Jesse Waters]

Prime time.

[Dana Perino]

Excuse me, Primetime with Johnny's World when he went to the Zoram Hamdani Socialism. Bernie Sanders event here in New York. And he interviews all the people who are there to support them and they know nothing about what they're talking about. It's really worth watching. And we posted it on Instagram. I'm sure you guys did as well. I reposted it because he asked them some very basic questions. They don't know what socialism is. And also it's kind of rich. I don't care that AOC stayed at a hotel that cost $1,000 a night during the Oligarchy tour. I don't care at all. But I would love to have asked those people at the event that Johnny went to. Do you care? Do you think that's a problem? And then because with a straight face, she says these things. One of the big concerns, and the reason this is so alarming, is that we are only basically a generation removed from the Soviet Union.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Now.

[Dana Perino]

When I was in school, when you were in school, we learned about the Cold War. Cold War. You had the drills, all of these things. Because we had an enemy. And the enemy was communism. And capitalism was what we were for, what we care about. A lot of these people complain about things like the high cost of groceries, the high cost of electricity, the high cost of housing. But they don't realize that it's mostly because our government has gotten too big. Our government is putting new regulations on all of these things, making all of them more expensive. So the utopia that they think they are going to get will never materialize. And you see that with Mamdani. His word salads are only slightly better dressed than Kamala Harris's. And I would love to have a chance to interview him. I'm sure he would never come on. But it's just guaranteed that they can't answer the question. I love this guy. I can't remember the name. He was on National Review yesterday writing things like, you guys want to vote for a 12 year old, go ahead. I'm not going to do it.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You know, I totally agree that when you listen to his words it doesn't make sense. Greg. But some young people look at Zoran and he's socialism in a shiny package. He smiles, he's well spoken, he's a happy warrior. And they don't maybe listen to the content.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, that young people always seek something that sounds romantic. That's disastrous. It's my entire romantic life in high school. Capital. Here's if you want to explain something to a young person about capitalism and socialism, start here. Capitalism doesn't have to be perfect to work. Socialism. Socialism has to be perfect, to work. Which is why it has to be done with force. Because if it falls apart and then everybody suffers. The wicked part here is noticing all the young people embracing socialism and Zoran, he says affordability. And that was a good selling point because these people are mired in debt. Thank you, college. They can't afford homes they don't want or have kids. Their American dream right now is a comfortable sofa and a bong because their aspirations for anything better really don't exist. Especially in New York City, where everybody wants to live there but can't afford it. But the mentality that Zoran is pushing is exactly what puts them there. Free stuff, feeling, overthinking, cheap labor through open borders. Republicans didn't tell you to take out absurd loans. Democrats made that okay, and they said cheap labor is great and that hurt the job market. The cruel joke is that the system that Zoran is pushing is for people like him. He's wealthy. He can easily endure all of these hardships and still go to his parties and still go on his trips. But the people that listen to them, they're screwed.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You know, Jesse, there's a lot of great things about Gen Z, but one thing I was shocked about was capitalism underwater by 11%. And Johnny saw that when he went out to this Bernie rally.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, you have to understand, these people in this new generation had a tough upbringing. You know, you come in, you have great recession, and then you have flat wages. They offshore all the jobs to China. And then you have COVID lockdowns and record inflation, record migration and record rates. So there's a lot of people in the country who feel like they are working hard, but they're not getting ahead. And so Greg makes a point about socialism. If you're wealthy, you can afford socialism. If you're wealthy, you can also afford globalism. And what you're seeing is a reaction to globalism. The world's not flat. Capital's just going to go wherever the cheapest labor is. Screw everything else. All right, it worked out for a good amount of people in this country, but for a lot of other people in this country, it didn't work out so well. So what the President is trying to do is just trying to close the global structure and make it more fair for America, tighten the border to make a better labor market, and then unleash capitalism and destroy regulation in the country. And that's not going to be easy because you're trying to do it all at the same time. And so a lot of people still feel like you're at the cusp of this golden age, but you still have insurance, is out of control, you still have rates high. And a lot of young people feel like if they live in Manhattan, which they don't have to do, they live in a really tiny apartment and they can't get ahead. I always think if you work your tail off and you're a good person, don't snicker, you can get ahead in this country under these rules. And that's what we have to get back to.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You know, Jessica, your party needs to move to the center. And how do you do that if 42% don't like capitalism?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, this trend line is being pushed by 18 to 34 year olds. There's no other age demographic where it's an increasing appreciation or fandom of socialism. It is about young people. And 90% of what Jesse said I agree with. And it's also reminiscent of, if you think Back to the 2016 election, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders were saying a lot of the same things, right? They were talking about economic populism, they were leading with affordability. Now they're two very different characters, but they had similar messaging. And the, the big problem here is that young people or whoever Johnny's interviewing are saying that this is socialism. But what Zoran Mamdani and AOC and Bernie Sanders are talking about is democratic socialism, not socialism. Like when the government owns the means of production. That's the really scary stuff. And you know, maybe the government shouldn't own 10 of Intel.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Democratic socialism, scary too.

[Jessica Tarlov]

A lot of people would like anytime an election is coming, Republicans go into this fear mongering mode where they said this is what the country, we're in our bread lines and it's going to turn into Russia or China unless we do something about it. And it happens every election no matter who the candidate is. I mean Joe Biden, who was the most moderate candidate in the 2020 primary, the threat was that socialist.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Have you read the GSA platform funding.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The police are also the national. Listen, I was not a mom Donnie person, but the national DSA platform versus the New York DSA platform are different, first of all. And when you talk to people, what they think this means, they think it means having affordable childcare, they think it means universal health care. They think it means being able to get into a rent controlled apartment, for instance. And looking at this from someone who also wants to win elections, I know that this is what Republicans want to talk about and they're doing a great job of it. And they do it every election cycle. But it is not working. People know their grocery prices are high because of Donald Trump, not because of Zoran Mandani. They are watching what's going on with the Epstein saga. They're watching what's going on with their health care premiums. And if Trump thinks he can run an election just saying like, you know, socialism bad, it's not going to work out.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, I'm just going to run on your party saying socialism good.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And so that's what you've been, you've done before and lost elections on it. It is baked in now that you are going to say that one thing. If you don't also say, I have a plan to fix the things that I promised on day one.

[Greg Gutfeld]

None of your data merits trust.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

And you, you just talk about intel.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know what's wrong with the intel deal that socialism.

[Jessica Tarlov]

If Joe Biden said I'm going to take 10% of a major company, you would be cool.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How much of that government, how much did that cost the government really? It wasn't a. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't, it's like it's, it's a, it's free money, basically. It's not a loan.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's. All of this is extorting. Listen, you heard the Mark Zuckerberg hot Mike moment.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Why do you think they didn't tell about. Why do you think they didn't tell?

[Jesse Waters]

That's because what was the reason whether or not it was going to be over a ten year period or a six year period.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And explained it, Jessica. Yeah, Tim Cook. Yes, he explained it under duress. All these people are under duress. You think they wanted to walk in with a gold plated cell phone.

[Jesse Waters]

Jessica, you look under duress. Those guys look.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I look fabulous.

[Jesse Waters]

You do, but a little under duress.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

And Jessica, it's of note that Donald Trump handed 2.4% inflation. Joe Biden skyrocketed. 18 8.1%. What's most and you the jobs report last week.

[Jessica Tarlov]

900 vision of that and I got a great sound and it was Joe Biden higher numbers on a monthly basis, $2400.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yelling, yelling, you just crosstalk. Doesn't change the data. 919,000 jobs evaporated and it began on Joe Biden's watch. All right, up next, Tom Homan laying the smackdown even more than that on Mornings with Mika. Oh, that's actually Mornings with you using.

[Jesse Waters]

The term disappearing people. Well, just what's happen? North wind blowing through a patch of P Wheel Singing about summertime raindrops Drumming.

[Dana Perino]

On rusty to remind you that 60%.

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. Tom Holman drop in a nuke on Morning Mika after she accused ICE of disappearing migrants.

[Jesse Waters]

You use the term disappearing people.

[Jessica Tarlov]

To.

[Dana Perino]

The group that was Salvador Citizens.

[Greg Gutfeld]

US Citizens. US Citizens get arrested every day. US Citizens get arrested by police every day. Are they being disappeared? No, the laws are being arrested.

[Jesse Waters]

They're being put in detention because they committed a criminal.

[Dana Perino]

Not like what you're doing. Not even close.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We're enforcing the law and arresting people here in violation of law that are public safety threats. That's not disappearing people. That's enforcing the laws of this country.

[Jesse Waters]

And making this country safer.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You jerks. And ICE will be disappearing more criminal migrants after launching Operation Midway Blitz in Chicago. Tried to disappear myself.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I was like, no, I tried to disappear myself.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And they would come back, I wouldn't be there. But they screwed me over. Dana, no sense of humor. Boy, Homan, you know what? The thing is, she seems so confident in her ignorance. Hasn't she learned from the election, from the four years of Biden, that they, that they have no credibility on any issue?

[Dana Perino]

Well, the other thing is, first of all, Tom Homan, he's a force of nature. He is willing to talk to anyone. He goes on that New York Times podcast, the Daily, and does such a nice, calm job. But that's usually kind of a more respectful interview, right? I think that when you're interrupted constantly, Jessica's like, yeah, I know it's frustrating because you're trying to get your words out. But Tom Homan is this force of nature. And he says, let me tell you exactly what happens. It's because he's not like, up and above the clouds like, not in touch with what his people are doing. And she does feel very confident. And you can tell because she's like, how dare you respond to me like that? And she's very annoyed. I don't know if he could have. Could see her. But what he's basically saying is that I've got the facts, I've got information. Now, I do think that the administration could do a slightly better job of explaining some of these things on occasion, because I'm sure that Mika and Joe have somebody in their lives that they know who they thought was legal, they thought was going through the process. That person. Oh, it's too bad, because they're working so hard and there are a lot of these stories. And the bottom line is the Congress has failed to figure out a way to improve the system. The Congress refused, Democrats in particular refused to go to Trump when he said, I'll help the dreamers in 2017. They said, no, we don't want to help the dreamers if you are going to help the dreamers. We only want to help the dreamers ourselves. And now the dreamers don't get help. And guess what? The dreamers are here illegally. So if you can go down and you can say, yeah, there are problems, I think the administration at this point is well within the bounds of asking somebody in Congress to produce some sort of legislation because President Trump wants to solve things. You mentioned yesterday, he'll talk to anybody.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

So why don't they just reach out a hand and say, we've got these problems. And I think that, like Mika and Joe, they could be a force for good in that regard.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But it's too late. Too late. They're irrelevant. Kayleigh. The Democrats are always engaged in this thing called. It's called word thinking. So they get. Somebody gets deported or arrested, they use the phrase disappearing, and we're all supposed to go, ooh, this is clever and scary. Disappearing people. It's a terrible word, by the way, but it makes them feel smarter. And that's why I think she was more defensive about the fact that she had this precious point she had to make.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah. And she neglects to say the federal government has plenary power on the issue of immigration. They are doing things legally and above the board. And I assume Mika Brzezinski, I know she's at far left NBC, but go to maybe a little less far left, but just almost there, left cnn and you'll find Ellie Hoenig. There's nothing state and local authorities can do to legally prevent federal law enforcement Agents like ICE from doing their business. Mika doesn't want to hear that. That clip goes on for about a minute and a half. And Mika sits there just staring at the camera as Tom Homan lists all these stories of illegal immigrants, their criminal backgrounds, by name. A pregnant woman who was assaulted. And she just sits there staring. She doesn't know what to say. Then they pop up. Jonathan Lemire's face. I think that's who hosts the early morning show, is in the White House press corps, and I think it's him, too. They're just staring. They don't know what to say. Tom Holman brings his facts. He brought specific cases. He pointed out with mornings with Maria. 70% of those who have been taken by ICE have criminal records. 30% are suspected gang members without criminal track records. That guy, Dana, you're exactly right. He is a rock star. He knows exactly what he's doing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. You know, Jesse Homan had had specific cases, but also the gross statistics. Here's how many they are. But he had specifics. Is it again his fault or our fault for noticing these things? Are we again politicizing a woman killed by an illegal drunk driver? Should we be blamed for that, too?

[Jesse Waters]

Ye. So they destroyed the country with migrants, and they have a problem with the way we're handling it. You can sit this one out. And I mean you, Jessica. I don't care about disappearing. I'm not even offended. Tom Homan shouldn't have been offended. So what? Yeah, they're disappearing from the country. Exactly. That's what we were elected to do. Make these people. Poof. Disappear. Dana brings up an excellent point. I cannot believe I was last to bring this up. All he's doing is enforcing the law. If Democrats don't like the law, they can change it in Congress. If you're an illegal alien in this country without the right paperwork, ICE can go pick you up and disappear you. It's not that complicated. And they can do that with someone at a Home Depot, an abuela. They could do that with someone that just crossed the Rio Grande. It doesn't matter. Now. You can nitpick. This person's been here 15 years. This person just got here. This person's never molested a child. They just killed someone in a car. We don't need to adjudicate every single illegal alien's criminal history. If they don't have the paperwork, they don't belong here. I'm sick and tired of having to deal with all these specific individuals. That's what we mean when we Say mass deportation. They're all going out. And as a matter of fact, they're not going out fast enough. They should be going out way faster. Isn't it funny how they haven't had one mistake? Not one mistake. They haven't deported a single American citizen. Not one. All you can point to your one guy is a Maryland dad that beats his wife and traffics children. That's your guy. That's your mistake. That's your guy. I think they're batting a thousand. Prove me wrong.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Go ahead, Jessica.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Okay, well, I hate to bring up your other favorite person.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Don't.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Gay hairdresser.

[Jesse Waters]

Gay hairdresser.

[Jessica Tarlov]

He has never heard of him. Well, he's somebody who was sexually assaulted repeatedly in Sea Cot and wasn't supposed to be sent there, which is why they had to be sent back.

[Jesse Waters]

And even I believe anything that comes out of your mouth. Immigration. Oh, I don't believe it. Just said the marital dad was American wife.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I didn't call him that. You said I did. You think it's a ventriloquist act, and it's not. People know the difference between my voice and your voice.

[Jesse Waters]

Mine is my hand.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Been hands to yourself, my friend. You say this is up to Congress. You should fix it. Guess what? There was a bipartisan bill that Donald Trump personally killed James Lankford, who is no Rhino.

[Jesse Waters]

Who's no.

[Jessica Tarlov]

No.

[Jesse Waters]

Debated and debunked.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Get your hand out of my back. I'm talking. There was a bipartisan bill. Donald Trump needed to run on it, so he said get rid of it.

[Jesse Waters]

Why didn't you do it in the first two years when you had the.

[Jessica Tarlov]

House, Senate and the White House mistakes? Because even up where Tom Holman lives, you remember this story, and we talked about it, that there was a woman who was in her house. She has three kids. She is here undocumented. She was in the WI fi zone of someone that they had a warrant for. They came and took her.

[Jesse Waters]

So she was illegal and they deported her. Wow.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's a coverage person. No. Well, I gave you an example, but you just don't care about hairdresser.

[Jesse Waters]

And.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But that's what the point is.

[Jesse Waters]

Never heard of.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The statistics based on ICE data show that 70% of people who have been detained have not been convicted of anything. Before you say it, Jesse, 70% of criminal records. 47. No. I knew it was coming. Get your hand out of my back.

[Jesse Waters]

By the way, my hands are not anywhere near, but where's mine?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Greg, that is uncomfortable. So 70%, no convictions. And then 47%. No pending charges or convictions. So if you are comfortable with 47% of the people that are gang members.

[Jesse Waters]

Or they've been charged and not convicted.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We got to go.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Your life, you know, I'm going to.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Turn this table around, and we're going to go home. All right, up next, Don Lemon gets his ego squeezed. From the long bows of Wiltshire to.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Dana Perino]

Ex CNN host Don Lamond probably wasn't expecting this response during a Man on the street interview in New York City.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How you doing, sir? Can we talk to you? Where are you from?

[Jesse Waters]

Do you live in New York? Who are you?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Don Lemon.

[Jesse Waters]

You're a moron, dude. Thank you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So are you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

That's very nice to see you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, nice to see you. Except you've never heard anything I've had to say, and I've had a whole bunch of what you.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm glad you watched me. Do you have anything interesting to say? Do you want to ask me?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think this is very interesting right now because you're not making any sense, and so far, you're not able to defend yourself.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm not trying to defend myself. Yeah, I called you a. And I don't need to defend that because it's accurate.

[Dana Perino]

Greg, the British accent, I know it well.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But it's funny how Lemon thinks he's. Because he's an anchor, he's going to own this guy. And you realize that without the veneer of CNN and the professional status of that, he's just a bozo. Permission to blow your mind, Dana?

[Dana Perino]

Absolutely. Go right ahead.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Today, September 9th, officially, the media is dead. DOA. If you look at Jimmy Kimmel, Don Lemon, Howard Stern, Acosta, Stelter, they all feel irrelevant. Then you, when you watching that, you could feel the irrelevant steaming off of. They're kind of like Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense. Everybody but them knows they're dead. You know, thanks to Donald Trump and Elon Musk opening X up wide, we're in a different. We're. We're in a populist movement, but we didn't know what it Was. It's a speech populism. So these people no longer control our narratives. We have millions of people that now speak truth to power. When we used to think it was these people that did it, we found out that they were liars. This is like we're living in an era where we've actually seen the emperor with no clothes. That emperor is the media. The clothes were their credibility. It's gone. So I'm telling you, this is like the fabricators pretending to be rebels are gone. The true populist movement is with speech. They are like. Like, when you look. I was thinking about this. In the A block, they're all, like, endangered species. Like, when you look at these people out in the wild, it's like, they don't belong in this era anymore. Nobody believes Don Lemon. Nobody believes Brian Stelter. Nobody believes Jim Acosta. You look at him and you go like, huh? Why are they still here? They're dead. The whole thing is dead.

[Dana Perino]

But one thing I admire about him, Jesse, is that he puts these videos out where he's getting smoked by people that he goes up in interviews.

[Jesse Waters]

It's good tv. And anybody who's been on the street knows when someone calls you a jerk to your face, it's great content. The problem is you can't get into an argument with some random dude about whether you're an idiot or not. You can't say, wait, I'm not an idiot. You're an idiot, then you look like an idiot. And I agree with Greg. The emperor has no clothes, and he has a microscopic penis.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Is that a South park reference?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Whoa.

[Jesse Waters]

Is it?

[Dana Perino]

Oh, I got it. Jessica. I got it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jessica. No, we've been doing that joke for a while. They stole it from us.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I hope you got paid as much. But I'm so uncomfortable when I watch the transformation of some people who were, you know, like, it's all glossy and, you know, we're here with our hair and makeup, and then it goes gorilla, essentially, that you're out there kind of fending for yourself, and it's not passing judgment on doing it. I think a lot of people are doing an amazing job at their citizen journalism. But, like, it feels. When I'm watching it happen, it feels so uncomfortable to me to see a confrontation like that and what that also must feel like for Don Lemon, who had his perch for so long.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You are. I don't feel that.

[Dana Perino]

I kind of like that last year.

[Jesse Waters]

Why?

[Dana Perino]

Remember over the summer?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Sympathy for that.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is when you're seeing the truth. This is what he is?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

But I will say I loved his cable news show. I was very sad when he lost it because he was an unwitting comedian. I used to love having a glass of wine and watching him because he'd do these like 10 second pauses and you're like, is Don dead? Where is Don? But my favorite was when he tried to intimate he had personal knowledge of the guy's bank account, who he was interviewing. Well done, Don. Always watch you.

[Dana Perino]

All right, the fastest is up next.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh, hey, welcome back. The first rule of White House Fight club, don't talk to Politico who just reported, quote, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant at one point threatening to punch top housing finance official Bill Pulte in the effing face. Jesse, I kind of love Bessants energy.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, I like that he's gay and he's starting to beat everybody up. He's like got a lot of alpha energy. He's like a gay alpha. He's like a Galpha. And we need more of that in the administration. Galpha energy. Big Galpha energy.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And he lives in that amazing Barbie dream house.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah, no, this guy's amazing. Look, he was on opposite sides of the argument on whether they could fire the Fed chair. That's why they apparently got in the fight. I just love that the man soothing the stock market is getting into fisticuffs with people.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Dana.

[Dana Perino]

Well, I would say that he's basically got the world's economy on his shoulders. He's a little busy. So when he finds out that someone went into Trump and trashed him, he's probably going to take it up with him.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Greg, I like both these guys. They're both strong guys. What does that tell you? What do you expect from a pirate ship? The Trump White House is a pirate ship. It has a spectrum of all behaviors, attitudes, ideas. But they're all united by one thing. They're all rowing together in the right direction. They're interesting, they're ragged, they're unconventional. I mean, who would have thought you'd have a White House with RFK Jr. And Trump? Who would have thought that they are not remotely similar, except they're all rowing in a boat called America and it's about time.

[Jesse Waters]

They're going to be fighting in the octagon on America's 250th birthday on the White House lawn. They're in the car.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I want a ticket.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And then we can all get chicken fingers and fries at the the Duck, right?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Air fried.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right. One More Thing in beef tallow. One More Thing is up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Kayleigh McEnany]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jesse Waters]

It's time now for one more Thing. Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Tonight we got a great show. Cat Tim, Michael Loftus, Criss angel. And brought. All right, let's do this. Greg's Real Estate News. People ask me because I'm kind of a tycoon. Is the real estate market collapsing? Well, let's take a look. Let's go right to. Where are we? Oh, great. This isn't on my thing.

[Jesse Waters]

It's.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We're in Bakersfield. Whoa, people, you don't know how to edit. All right, that was the CEO of a real estate mobile game that pays people rent to surprise a winner. I'm already forgotten about this. The guy passed out because of the heat. They didn't set it up right. It's like you guys need to set this crap up. You don't just run the clip of them falling.

[Jesse Waters]

That's the second mistake they made. Remember, they caught you ducking under the table.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, I'm going to disappear you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Heck, this is the number one show, guys.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, go ahead, Jessica, quickly.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Thanks. I had an amazing classic New York night last night with. Well, that's my husband. But with my Broadway wife, Liz Clayman at the American Theatre Wing's annual gala, home of the Tony Awards. She's a board member. And performances from legends like mj, the musicals Miles Frost and Bernadette Peters. It was such a magical night. Thank you, Liz, for taking me on.

[Jesse Waters]

Brian, you looked very pretty in that dress. Just.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It was my wedding dress.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Really?

[Jesse Waters]

That's very sweet.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow.

[Jesse Waters]

Tonight, Jesse Waters primetime Charlie Sheen at 8:00'. Clock.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, Dana.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, there are some surfing dogs in California. San Diego, it's the longest one. And blah, blah, blah. The contest raises money for orphan pets cared for by the Helen Woodward Animal Center. I just feel like there's so many of these competitions of dog surfing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, don't you get bored, Haley?

[Jesse Waters]

Four seconds.

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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