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[00:05]
Martha MacCallum
Hello, everybody. I'm martha maccallum along with kayleigh mcnany, leslie marshall, jesse waters and greg gutfeld. It's five o' clock in new york and this is the five.
[00:19]
Jesse Waters
Well, well, well.
[00:20]
Martha MacCallum
Shot across the bow for the Democratic establishment Progressive Abdul Al Said squeaked out a Narrow victory, about 14,000 votes, defeating, stick it to him, moderate Haley Stevens in the Michigan Senate primary. That has exposed some deep divisions within the Democrat Party. El Sayed extending an olive branch today. He said he spoke with Stevens. He said she's going to support him. They're going to be unified. And he shouted out the socialist OG Bernie Sanders, and said he's the man who made it all possible. Watch.
[00:53]
Jesse Waters
I know that it was a bitter end to this very long primary, but I also know that Haley brings the best of herself to her work. She is one of the most committed public servants that you'll ever meet. She loves democracy like I love democracy. I gotta give a special thank you to my first endorsers. Bernie Sanders, the OG who came in on day one, put his entire shoulder in the work. They think that you want to use my whole name against me. Mike. Listen, man, if you can't say the name, it's Abd Al Rahman. Keep the name out your damn mouth.
[01:24]
Martha MacCallum
But it wasn't working. It wasn't the working class voters that El Sayed claims to represent who pushed him to victory. Politico reports that the radical candidate performed best among wealthy, highly educated white voters, primarily while moderate Democrats. Stevens picked up the black vote. Detroit, Flint, lower income areas and less educated areas. So think about what that means for the future. And President Trump weighed in on the race, calling Al Said, quote, a communist loser. He said, warning it's a slippery slope for the country to start electing socialist candidates.
[02:02]
Greg Gutfeld
I think it's crazy because they're going to ruin our country. They want to. I don't know if they want to. I think either they're very naive or they actually want to ruin the country. No matter where you look, go back a thousand years with different names. Anybody doing what they're doing and what they're espousing, everything turns out to ashes and junk and filthy.
[02:22]
Martha MacCallum
All right, Kayleigh, let's start with you. You could feel him in this, in this statement that he made today, kind of trying to pull to the middle here because he knows he's got to win over some of those voters who voted for Haley Stevens who didn't want him in this primary.
[02:37]
Kayleigh McEnany
Yeah, no doubt about it. And he did a pretty savvy Job at that. El Said is to me one of the most dangerous left wing candidates out there. Why? Because he rejects the label of socialism while operating under the veneer of socialism. You look at his policies, Medicare for all, abolish ice, Supreme Court reform, billionaire tax arms, embargo on Israel. These are all policies of the dsa. But yet he says, I reject the DSA on one hand. But then on the other hand, he's at six DSA events. He headlined a fundraiser for the dsa. He has a litany of socialist policies. But he's dangerous because he rejects it in name. So voters have to study closely. But Democrats, socialism is on the march. You see this with El Sayed. You see it in D.C. they're about to have a socialist mayor. They already have one in Seattle with Katie Wilson. We have one here in New York City with Zoran Mamdani. And you look across the party and these left wing socialists are winning. Here's the problem they have, and you pointed to it in this introduction. There's a divide, a real divide among Democratic voters. The working class does not support the socialists. The college educated do. There's a huge dividend. Another divide. You have white liberals who support the socialists, but black voters, voters of colors in these primaries do not. Politico said it succinctly. It was a break between two unsettled factions of the Democratic Party, black voters and the left. So that's where we stand. Can you unite these two factions? Possibly Zoran Mamdani did it, but I'm not sure that's going to work statewide in Michigan. Final takeaway. And to me, the biggest takeaway of the night. Jesse, you have one of the greatest heads of hair in television, but we lost one of the greatest heads of hair in Congress, Sri Tannadar. He's gone. And that is a tragedy.
[04:14]
Jesse Waters
Oh my God.
[04:15]
Martha MacCallum
So Leslie, Greg says I have fake hair.
[04:17]
Jesse Waters
Look at that.
[04:19]
Martha MacCallum
Leslie, how do, how does the Democratic Party address this when you have working voters, working class voters, who the people who say they're all about the worker won't vote for?
[04:30]
Leslie Marshall
Well, first of all, now you're going to have him up against a Republican, a pro Trump Republican, a Republican who is not originally from Michigan like El Sayed is. And you know I will some people stay home and not like him, maybe even just because he's Muslim, really. But there are going to be people that are going to come out and they're going to vote for him. Because I'm hoping, as we're already seeing, that the Democrats are going to band together, because to them it's for the greater good to have a Democrat in power, whether they're the more liberal, progressive faction, even a DS candidate, than to have, you know, their moderate candidate that they wanted. I'm a moderate Democrat, but I certainly want a Democrat more than I do a Republican and more than I do a pro Trump Republican. You know, some people we're not talking about today that also won. We, you know, everybody thinks that and we're talking about. And it makes the news cycle when we have the far left of the left win. But we don't talk about Adam Hamilton in Kansas who talks about working on both sides. Katie Hobbs is going to pick a Republican as Lieutenant governor. Eugene Vindman is certainly not a socialist. How about Eleanor Luna, who is a Jewish candidate who won, who is pro Israel and pro aipac, and then Fred Wellman, who is also a moderate. Those are just a few. They all won yesterday, too. We're not talking about them. The reason is the majority of Democrats are moderates. Do we see more people, especially among the youth, not just the white college educated, but still especially among the youth, do we see these younger people saying, yes, I like what I'm hearing and what they're hearing, the message that they're hearing. You touched upon some of it. Kaylee, what did Sayad say? I want to make health care, groceries, gas, more affordable. I think most Americans want that. I don't want data centers in the town. Most Americans don't want that. I want to have less money, if not any money in politics. I want to tax the rich. I want to end the war in Iran. I want to have money spent here on Americans, not in other countries, including the country. His parents are from Egypt.
[06:27]
Kayleigh McEnany
And he can't be sad about the Ayatollah being gone because that would sadden his voters. Yeah, not that one.
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Martha MacCallum
He said you can't say anything about it because some people are really sad that the Ayatollah died in Dearborn, but
[06:37]
Leslie Marshall
we saw that in Iran. In Iran, we saw that. And certainly there with Al Shayed's voters. I live in Los Angeles, which is called Tyrontulus. I saw people marching for and against what we're doing.
[06:47]
Martha MacCallum
Okay. Because the Iranians that I know in New York were would have danced on his grave because he slaughtered tens of thousands of people in the street. And for some reason, this individual has a hard time saying that it's a good thing that he's no longer on this earth. Jesse, Mike Rogers gave us a little bit of a Window into where he's going to go with this. He said, I spent years hunting terrorists and bringing Osama bin Laden to justice. Never in a million years did I think I would be running against someone who believes America is deserved. 9, 11. And that was a quote from Hasan Piker, who Al Said likes to hang out with quite a bit. He was with him right before the election.
[07:25]
Jesse Waters
Yeah, but you got to respect Abdul because he beat the machine big. Gretsch, Pelosi, Schumer, he slaughtered them. Jewish Super PAC, 30 mil couldn't do it. And so say what you want about him, this guy is a force that Mike Rogers is going to have to deal with. Mike Rogers was born and raised in Michigan, by the way. I don't know if you knew that, but that's a fact. Now the Democrat establishment has lost total control from Michigan to Maine to New York. The base is now calling the shots. And it was a very simple message. And you are right. All I hear from this guy, medicare for all, end the war, abolish ice, get money out of politics, especially Jewish money. And he was very crafty, distancing himself from the crazy Communists. Did it just enough to be able to pull it off. And he's always doing hits, constantly on my feed, on tv. So that's something you're gonna have to deal with. He still lost half Democrat primary voters.
[08:25]
Greg Gutfeld
Right.
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Jesse Waters
And he's got ethnic problems, he's got class issues, and he's a Muslim in Michigan. And that will be a factor. This is a 75% white state. It's a big 10 state. He's got to connect there. If he can't connect, he's toast. The Rogers guy isn't 100% MAGA, you know, he's army, former FBI, special agent, member of Congress. I think he matches up great against Abdul. So there's a great chance Republicans pick up the seat and pick up the main seat. And if that happens, it's not going to be John Fetterman's head on the stake. It's going to be Bernie Sanders.
[09:05]
Martha MacCallum
Yeah, he said he wanted, basically wanted Fetterman's head on a pike. He said, ideally, you put one ogre on a pike and then everyone else gets the message. And all of a sudden it starts to sound a lot different out there.
[09:18]
Unknown Male Panelist
Well, I always get really nervous when I hear a liberal say the greater good, because that always ends in death. Oh, we got to break a lot of eggs to make an omelet. Well, what is the greater good here? You listed goals, but you didn't list a single system. I want cheaper food and oil. How do you do that? They never ask a socialist that because they know the answer doesn't exist. They make everything more existence. They choke supply, increase demand. I don't want data centers. Great. Do you think China is going to feel the same way or any other country? How are you going to get your AI or your Internet? I don't want crime or social decay. How do you do that when you want to defund the police and replace them with social workers? We don't need a capitalist party, but for some reason you guys need a socialist party because you got to force it on it. I love watching the Democrat party operate without a Trojan horse like they did with Biden when they hid in him. It's all out in the open. Anti Americanism, hatred for the free market, a love especially for envy and grievance and an ignorance of reality. Incentives disincentives. The deep division of the party comes down to this. Do you yell Allah Akbar or Heil Hitler? There are a party of hate people and we know this. We know this. They're just doing it out in the open. Once again. The radical left always does well among elites because the elites are insulated from the consequences of the policies that the extreme push. But the lower income people, the less educated, they experience the hell up close. The liberal elite, when things go bad, they can go move to a safer neighborhood, they can go to better schools. They have the freedom to leave the deteriorating public systems that when it all goes under socialism and they can avoid the street level disorder that blacks and Hispanics can't. So they can support radical candidates pat themselves on the back for their expression of their heightened moral status. While the blue collar folk, they live in the places affected by the property and violent crime. They rely on the public schools that go to hell because you guys adopt these grisly policy experiments on children under the name of diversity in this race. In terms of candidates, the narrative is far left versus center left. That gap doesn't exist when there's a Senate election. It's meaningless. Leslie's right, doesn't matter who it is. They're going to vote blue because he's a Republican and we know the Republicans as we are told are Nazis. No matter how bad that Democrat is, who has a Nazi tattoo, you're going to vote for him because he's not a fascist. Trump because we created the narrative that Republicans were just bad, bad people. So no matter what, we're going to take somebody who actually says has supporters who says that we deserve 9 11? We'd rather have that than Republican because, you know, Republicans are fascists and Nazis. The only difference that said has from say, Haley is that he wears his anti Americanism on his sleeve. If she had won and won the Senate seat, her leftist elitism would still gobble up the same ideology because that's what they do when they want to survive.
[12:32]
Martha MacCallum
All right, coming up next. So much for big tent politics. Michael Moore is encouraging the left to seize the party's future. In this moment,
[12:43]
Jesse Waters
Three little birds, it's by my doorstep. The Democrats keep selling the big tent, but if you're a moderate, you're sleeping in the woods. I'll say you type man. Far left, 911 apologist Hasan Piker. Not calling for unity, but delivering a stark warning. The revolution has issued its eviction notice.
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Unknown Male Panelist
Everyone being like, Abdul has a ton of work to do mending bridges. Here's the take nuke for you, okay? You are all unbelievably Islamophobic pieces of. Okay, you literally called the dude a terrorist for months on end and like, called him a sexist. Now you're gonna sit there and be like, well, you know, you really gotta come to me now.
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Jesse Waters
Like, what are you talking about? And Piker isn't alone. Bernie Sanders and Michael Moore begging for a full blown socialist couple. Mr. Carvel doesn't want to be in my party, the party that I belong to, that Pica that Syed belongs to, he can start his own party. I think we need a big tent and I think people like Pica should be welcome into that.
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Leslie Marshall
Does it require a change in the
[14:06]
Martha MacCallum
establishment and in the way things are
[14:08]
Kayleigh McEnany
done to effectuate the changes you want to see?
[14:10]
Greg Gutfeld
If I could get on my knees and beg, it would be for exactly
[14:13]
Jesse Waters
what you just said. I will not support hacks acts in the Democratic Party who have led us to this Waterloo. So more than these two factions patch things up by election day.
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Martha MacCallum
I'm just thinking like, how happy like Bernie Sanders and these guys, Michael Moore, they're just like, whoa, this is what we've been saying all along. Except these guys are in a younger package with big muscles and they're selling something that people are buying. But the thing is, when I look back at sort of the energy that you're seeing on, on the right, on the left, it reminds me in some ways, although the politics are completely different of what you saw in 2016, where you saw a divided Republican party and you saw the energy with people who wanted to overthrow the way things were happening. And everyone said, oh, they'll never last. And yet they did. And they elected a president. You have this energy on the other side now that is saying that they don't like the way their party does things, that they want to kick them all out. They don't want a big tent. They want to scold and swear at, you know, members of their own party. But the people who are most interesting to watch here in my mind in Michigan are the Haley Stevens voter because they're the blue collar voter, right? And obviously blue collar voters, the forgotten men and women who President Trump was able to bring into the fold. Black voters, blue collar voters, voters who were totally disillusioned by what had been offered to them by Democrats. They voted for President Trump in 2024 in big numbers. Some of them are up for grabs right now. I mean, when you look at some of the polling you look at, and I think the economy is turning around, there's a lot of energy that I think will pull that back. But those voters are the people that nobody pays attention to and that need to be, you know, I think the Republican Party, if they want to win this election, they need to convince those voters who are moderate independent, maybe voted for Haley Stevens, don't want any of this stuff that they're hearing about socialism. They're the people once again, the forgotten men and women in this entire voting landscape that need to be spoken to about how you get there with capitalism, how you get there, how you don't look for a handout. And they need to know that there are, you know, that that energy supports them in whichever party is able to do that for them and prove that they're going to give them a brighter future, I think will succeed in the midterms.
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Jesse Waters
You agree with that, Greg? Yeah.
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Unknown Male Panelist
I was just thinking about the reason why Michael Moore loves a big tent. The only thing he can wear these days. I hear, whenever I hear the phrase Islamophobe, it always kind sets me off into a different direction. Like I think about, if you have a problem with evangelicals, does that make you an evangelical phobe? There's no such thing as a Catholic phobe. And there's a plenty of people that are critical of Catholicism, but we don't accuse them of being Catholic. Can't even say it. But if you have legitimate concerns about Islam, that makes you a phobe. What does that tell you? Tells you they don't want you to criticize their religion. Why don't they want you to do that? It's a good question. I Think the absurdity of the big tent lies in the fact that they've stopped defending their values or the foundation of their tent. And that signaled weakness. And so the vultures circled. They're around by. And the funny thing is, by not demanding assimilation into their party, they can demand it of you. So what you're seeing here is a lot of gloating, a lot of people saying, we don't got to change. You got to come to us.
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Martha MacCallum
You.
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Unknown Male Panelist
It's the open borders death punch applied to their party. Remember, the Dems took our country, which was a melting pot, which incorporated assimilate, assimilation, turned it into an open tent where anybody could come in and reject assimilation and instead bring their separatist, intolerant doctrine into the country. And we must abide. That's exactly what's happening to their party. It's exactly the same thing.
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Jesse Waters
Is that what's happening to your party?
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Leslie Marshall
No, actually, I agree with something that Martha said, because I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I do think my party needs to take a page out of the Republican playbook. Don't faint. Because when you look at the Tea Party, the Tea Party came up and there were, you know, moderate Republicans saying,
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Unknown Male Panelist
no, no, no, no.
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Leslie Marshall
We don't want what you're selling. But what did they do? They united. At the end of the day, when you had MAGA and pro Trump and moderate Republicans, people who, you know, love Trump now but didn't at one time saying terrible things about Trump, what did they do? They united. They came together. That's what Democrats need to do. I'm seeing some of that. We're less than 24 hours out from some of these revelations and some of these elections. But look, I want to be, you know, very clear. I'm a moderate Democrat. Hasan Piker doesn't speak for me. He doesn't speak for the party. Neither does Michael Moore. And I'm getting really tired of people like James Carville, you know, I love you, and, you know, yes, it is the economy. Stupid. But I think it's stupid to bail on your party if you have one candidate that you do not like that.
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Martha MacCallum
I mean, we're not talking about socialism. We're not talking about, like, you know, coming together and finding ways to agree. It's her. You're talking about a very dramatic change in the country here.
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Unknown Male Panelist
I would.
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Leslie Marshall
I would respect a Democrat or Republican who came out and said, I'm gonna leave the party if we, you know, if we support this pedophile, if we support this sexual abuser.
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Martha MacCallum
Right.
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Leslie Marshall
You know, rather than hold them to task and push and push them out for that. I want to. I want to say one more thing. Bernie Sanders says my party. Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. He's an Independent. He is welcome into the big tent of Democrats. He votes with and caucuses with the Democrats. Votes with Democrats most of the time. But this isn't. It shouldn't be an us versus them.
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Kayleigh McEnany
Yes, it should be. That is ridiculous to say the Tea Party is the same as the socialist. Did the Tea Party ever, as a part of their platform.
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Jesse Waters
No.
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Kayleigh McEnany
You are analogizing coming together with the Tea Party to coming together with the social within a party.
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Leslie Marshall
When you let me finish. Ideals within that.
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Kayleigh McEnany
Did the Tea Party ever say, let's rip Article 2 apart? No, they did not. Did they ever say, let's rip Article one apart? No, they did not. Did they ever say, let's rip Article 3 apart? No, they did not. The official platform of the DSA as rolled out 14 days ago, 14 to 17 days ago, is eliminate the Senate, eliminate the presidency, eliminate the Supreme Court. They want to take the greatest system on planet Earth, United States democracy. Conceive from nothing this experiment, this grand experiment that turned into the greatest governing system in the world. And they want to rip it up. And don't call out James Carville. You should be praising James Carville for saying, no, I can't take birth control. I'm a biological male. No, we shouldn't eliminate the Senate. Where are the courageous Democrats? Because I can count on one hand John Fetterman, Henry Cuellar, James Carville, I wish you would call them out because it is very destructive to support a party and say, let's cozy up with the DSA who wants to rip up the United States Constitution. It's absurd. And don't draw comparisons to the Tea Party. I don't get hot under the collar. But suggesting the Tea Party wants to rip up the foundation of our country,
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Unknown Male Panelist
it's completely left out something, though not what. The Tea Party and MAGA never said kill anybody. Plenty of them on that side that did this. You can't. You cannot compare the two. Because at least the Tea Party and MAGA are compatible with Republicans. This is incompatible, you would hope, with the Democratic Party and with America in general. Because the DSA says that America is not a positive force for good. They do not understand free markets or even human behavior. It's MAGA is make America Great Again. The DSA is make America go away, which is also maga, by the way.
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Jesse Waters
Catholic.
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Kayleigh McEnany
Very different kind of maga.
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Jesse Waters
Yes. Coming up, Trump rides into Sin City looking to cash in big for the midterms.
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Unknown Male Panelist
With the midterms now just three months away, Trump hitting up Las Vegas, the birthplace of many things, including his no tax on Tips pledge in 2024.
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Greg Gutfeld
We won the state in a landslide. It was a big, beautiful. Well, no tax on tips didn't hurt. I mean, it's one of the greatest things. People are making a lot of money. No tax on TV tips. And it's great. When we took office, we inherited a total catastrophe. Biden and the radical left Democrats, I call them Democrats because their policies are so dumb.
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Martha MacCallum
Martha.
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Unknown Male Panelist
I don't think Democrats is his best line, but he loves it. But he's right. There's been like a 15% jump in average tax refunds, which matters in Vegas, may not matter in the Hamptons or wherever. You know, that wasn't a jab at you.
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Martha MacCallum
I don't go to the Hamptons.
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Unknown Male Panelist
Thank God for that. No wonder I never see you.
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Martha MacCallum
You know, whoever can sort of corral the support of the service industry in Nevada is going to win the election. I mean, I remember when Obama got the endorsement of the SEIU in Nevada. It was a huge moment that propelled him to the presidency. And President Trump lost Nevada in the first two elections and won it in big league, as he would say, in 2024. So I think he's going back. You know, he's going to places where he wants to shore up support for the midterms in a big way. And some of them are places that are. That have been tricky for him in the past. And I think that's why you're seeing him there. And I think no tax on tips was kind of a brilliant move for him. He said he spoke to a waitress who said she didn't like the fact that she was taxed on her tips, which as a former waitress, I can completely sympathize with and understand. So, you know, I think he's doing the work he's getting out there. He's doing the work that needs to be done in these areas to convince people that things are improving in the economy.
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Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah. You know, Jesse, the service industry isn't just waitresses. And I was going to ask you as an expert, who else serves. What are the sex workers saying in Vegas about the no tax on tips?
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Jesse Waters
I don't know. Let me call Jimmy Fallow. Can I do a Kudlow?
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Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah.
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Jesse Waters
Manufacturing activity is at a four year high. Construction booming in the Sun Belt. Blue collar Wages accelerating to massive levels. You've seen the stock market up 30% since Trump was elected. Aerospace, high tech, AI, cars, it's all going bananas, Greg. Also, if you live in a place that's actually building apartments, rents at a four year low here, where they don't build and they boot illegals into the city. Yeah, you're going to have high rent. So that's the problem. That's supply and demand, Leslie. Crime 150 year low. Illegal border crosses all time low. You're getting $4,000 tax refunds, 4.2% unemployment. People are still spending like they have money. Consumer spending is like shot out of a cannon. The people don't feel like they have enough money. That's the problem. It's a feel thing because bidenomics boosted prices so high. And then Trump came with Liberation Day in the war in Iran. Now that that's behind us, you're going to get energy prices down. Prices will follow, rates will come down. That'll be good. Trump just has to draw the contrast. It's a very small tilt in the rearview mirror. How bad you guys were, you guys started the affordability crisis and the border crisis and the crime crisis. He just has to make that case. And now that you've introduced communism, it should be a layup.
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Unknown Male Panelist
You know, just, I think it's Larry Kudlow's birthday today.
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Jesse Waters
Happy birthday, Larry.
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Unknown Male Panelist
If I'm wrong, just pretend it's your birthday, Larry. What say you, Leslie, to Jesse's powerful, powerful statements.
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Leslie Marshall
Powerful PowerPoint demonstration verbally. Look, you know, the American people, I'm going to agree with you on one point. It is what they feel. And most Americans don't relate to the stock market because most Americans aren't directly involved with, you know, gambling in the stock market.
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Jesse Waters
Americans are exposed to the markets, Jesse.
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Leslie Marshall
69% of Americans right now say the economy is poor. And the reason for that is they feel that their cost of living is high. The reason for that is they see that tariffs and the refunds for those tariffs are being given to corporations. Let's use Walmart, for example.
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Martha MacCallum
Right?
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Leslie Marshall
Walmart is going to get a huge check. The American people, the consumer, they're not seeing the check, but what did they see? They saw the higher prices on the shelves at Walmart being passed down to them. So the American people don't feel that life is more affordable. You know, the President, the president had said and talked about not just the stock market, but he also talked about how he, you know, he talks about things that a lot of people you know, don't understand. You know, why are we putting a second coat of gold on these statues in Washington, D.C. why are we sending, you know, money overseas to various places? What about us? That's what the American people are saying. And that's not just people in my party. And that's not just socialist. Far left.
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Jesse Waters
Let's talk about.
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Unknown Male Panelist
I remember you guys sharing Doge. So just a point of order. Larry Kudlow's birthday is until August 20th. So I stand corrected.
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Kayleigh McEnany
It was this week.
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Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah. We'll be doing a public apology later tonight. Building last word to you, Kaylee.
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Kayleigh McEnany
Yes, I attract my erroneous statement there about Larry Kudlow. Happy early birthday, Larry. You want to talk about refunds, Leslie? This is the biggest tax refund season, I'm pretty sure in the last decade. You look at tax refunds, $3,400. This is an 11% increase. What President Trump has done is a huge win for the working class. And it can be categorized. No tax on tips. That affects 6 million Americans. No tax on overtime, 25 million. Imagine that. You work overtime, you get no tax thanks to President Trump and what Republicans have done. 30 million seniors affected by the enhanced deduction for seniors. A million by no tax on car loan interest, and the list goes on. That's before we get to Trump accounts. What a win that you can be a mom, a struggling mom giving birth to a baby, and your baby immediately gets $1,000. You can say, thank you, President Trump, for that. You can also say thank you because he is exactly right. He inherited a catastrophe. The height of inflation under President Joe Biden was 8.1%. It's now at 3.5%. More work needs to be done. Leslie, I agree with you there. President Trump needs to articulate his economic vision in the way he did today over and over again. I agree with you there. They don't talk about the economy enough, but the wins are there, and now they need to be discussed. And the American people need to connect the tax rate refund with the great work of Republicans and the president.
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Unknown Male Panelist
Well said. Coming up, the media is blowing more smoke about Talarico's manhood.
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Kayleigh McEnany
Oh, boy. The media is lecturing Republicans on masculinity again. This time, it's over. Texas Democratic candidate, Senate candidate James Talarico has been trying to project a more macho image, including showing off his blowtorching skills. Check out this Politico headline. Republicans want to talk about James Talarico's manhood. Talarico says let them. But read a little further And Politico admits that the problem isn't just Talarico. It's the Democratic Party's broader struggle with men. According to a focus group, quote, young men overwhelmingly pointed to the Republican Party as the better representative of men's priorities, associating Republicans with financial independence and starting a family and Democrats with cultural issues. Leslie, I may shock you, but I could agree with you here. I think the issue with Talarico, less masculinity. And I would be litigating his past statements like prison is violence. The borders a giant welcome, Mac, with a big lock on the front. Trans community needs abortion care. That may be stronger footing.
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Leslie Marshall
I don't, I hope that Republicans keep attacking his masculinity because the last five polls have him up, although with a margin of error on some between 2 and 5%, including Fox News poll, 3%. Here is, here are numbers that I like when we talk about men. Trump carried Latino voters in Texas by 10%. Talarico has them by 19. And that's right now. And then if you look at the amount of people that are white voters that are just, they're just running from Ken Paxton. If we want to talk about manhood, can we look at Ken Paxton? Is it manly to commit adultery? Is it manly to, you know, to give a pass for a pedophile and to say he doesn't have to register as a sex offender in that state? Is it a manly thing to do when over 200 people die in a snowstorm to flee your state and go to Utah and go skiing? That's not the kind of man that I want. And by the way, the people of Texas want the same thing the people of Michigan do. They want affordability. They want the prices in the grocery store to be lower, the prices at the gas pump to be lower. They, they don't, they don't care whether, now some of these men do, but they don't care whether or not James Talarico can bench press so much. They care whether or not James Talarico can deliver for them the affordability that they need to survive?
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Kayleigh McEnany
Jesse, because the men that Texas want are people who say our trans community needs abortion care.
[31:06]
Jesse Waters
Is it manly to be obsessed with trans K? Leslie? Is it manly to live with your parents until you're 50? I mean, this guy is a joke. He was a DEI consultant. We're watching a sex change on live tv. This guy started the race as a woman, and he's trying to end it as a man. Remember, he was a vegan. Now he's a Carnivore. Remember now? It was like the American flag is confusing. Now he's in a truck with an American flag. Come on. I thought when I heard this guy had a blowtorch, it was going to be like Brad Pitt in. Remember he had that thing, it was like a gut, like a dragon breathing. This thing's a Bic lighter.
[31:43]
Martha MacCallum
It's like a science lab, right?
[31:45]
Kayleigh McEnany
Yes, it does.
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Jesse Waters
That's not a blowtorch. I look at this guy, Leslie. He looks androgynous. You remember that movie, 40 Year Old Virgin? That's him. He's pasty white, he's got his pants pulled up too high. And I agree, you got to hit him on the issues. And Paxton should be doing that. Where's Paxton? I've seen Mitch McConnell more than Paxton. McConnell's been in the hospital all summer. Get out of your whole. Paxton and do something. I can't win this race for you. It's not on fox. Go raise some money. Do a hit and lay the lumber to this guy. I mean, he's younger and he's got a little energy and he's new or whatever, but come on. If you lose this seat for Republicans in Texas, you should seek asylum in Mexico. This cannot happen.
[32:30]
Leslie Marshall
They don't want Martha.
[32:32]
Kayleigh McEnany
And yet Texas has always been the elusive dream of Democrats.
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Martha MacCallum
Yeah, that's true. I mean, Beto o' Rourke was the savior that was going to be the first Democrat to win in Texas. I'm just going to very quickly say this. Michael Dukakis in a. In a tank. In a military tank. He lost. John Kerry on a windsurfer and hunting.
[32:50]
Jesse Waters
That might be lost.
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Martha MacCallum
Right. Tim Waltz. Okay. They pretending to be a hunter and talking a lot about being a manly man. He lost. You know, it's like. You know it when you see it. Masculinity. It's confidence. It's leadership, actually. Women and men can possess these qualities quite naturally. This guy does not possess them. But I agree with you. Paxton is, you know, seems to be missing in action. So it's possible that Talarico may be able to pull it off.
[33:19]
Kayleigh McEnany
Craig?
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Unknown Male Panelist
Well, the stuff Leslie mentioned about Paxton, their behavior and legal decisions. But we're looking at a political stance done for the sake of social capital. And the litmus test for real men is trans. That's why it's a big deal. That's why men are leaving your party. You cannot support a concept that a man can become a woman and then allowing them access to women's spaces, whether it's a locker room Or a bathroom, or even a prison shower and still be considered a real man. It's biological incompatible. When a man, another man, sees another man enter a female space, there's a protective circuitry that's activated Regardless of what you say your identity is, what your clothing is, or your self descriptions of any kind. The male brain and nervous system responds instantly to the statistical reality of male pattern strength. We can't help it. It's irrelevant. It's irrelevant to identity. The inclusion argument that the Democrats have embraced requires overriding this biological inevitability in favor of an ideological claim for a real man. That override feels not just wrong, but a betrayal. It's a betrayal to your role protecting the physically weaker sex. That is a biological reality. When a man does that, he is no longer a man. Because that's the same protective mechanism that comes into play when you intervene in any male or female violence. If you see it on the street, you act so rejecting that when you see it happen, whether it is him or Seth Moulton, it's a calculated political move to avoid reputational damage and to get approval in progressive settings. To gain social capital, they throw women under the bus. So he's not a man anymore. In my view, he's not a man. His moral judgment has bowed to external pressure. He's abandoned his manly duties and he's a coward. And I'm sorry. Any man that is pro trans is a coward because he knows it's dishonest. A man cannot be a woman.
[35:32]
Kayleigh McEnany
And on that very same note, coming up next, women are now bringing home the bacon.
[35:47]
Unknown Male Panelist
No, nothing could matter. God, I wish something mattered to you.
[35:55]
Leslie Marshall
The American breadwinner is changing. For the third time in history, women outnumber men in the workforce. As the stay at home boyfriend becomes an economic trend. All right, I'll start with Greg.
[36:07]
Unknown Male Panelist
What this is called. Dirtbag. I'm sorry.
[36:14]
Martha MacCallum
Thank you.
[36:14]
Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah. Look, man, the. They talk about the female job growth has gone up. It's all white collar, right? It's nonprofits, education, academic administration, office support. The growth isn't in logging or roofing or firefighting or machinists. So that's all the stuff where men die. So it turns out there is men's work after all, and it's not equal. So why I was thinking about this today because I thought this was just such a stupid topic. Why is heavy industrial labor so risky? Because it calls for a high physical demand, but sustained vigilance, you know, under fatigue and isolation, if you like, lose any situational awareness, you could Die. What does that sound like to you, being a mom? A lapse in any situational awareness. A kid dies, chokes, he falls. A sudden danger, you know, while the person, the mom, is severely sleep deprived. It turns out there's no office job that is this non negotiable. So the real heavy labor in life, there was equality. There was once equality in heavy labor. It was men and it was women. Probably 50 years ago.
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Leslie Marshall
Martha, a mom.
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Martha MacCallum
I mean, this just goes back to the last topic in my mind. It's like, you know, a man when you see him and he is not sitting on the couch playing a video game. He is at work and he's providing for his family. And they say basically it's because there's this gap where more men are living with their parents than living with a woman who's going out to work every day. And they're living with their parents because their parents keep supporting them and the generational wealth is coming down toward them, and they're just like, I don't really need to go to work. So he's a lazy bum, a dirtbag, whatever word you want to use. No, thank you.
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Leslie Marshall
Okay, Jesse.
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Jesse Waters
Well, we sent those industrial jobs where you work with your hands to sweatshops in Asia, and then we brought in the Mexicans and paid them pennies on the dollar to do it here. And then if you wanted to go corporate dei, no, no men allowed. So there is an issue. But a lot of these guys are straight up lazy and they want the woman to work and they want to stay home and smoke dope and watch their phone. And you know what happens when you do that? You grow breasts.
[38:25]
Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah, it's true.
[38:26]
Jesse Waters
Turn into a woman physically. It's been studied.
[38:30]
Kayleigh McEnany
Look, stay at home boyfriends. That is crazy. But I do want to say thank you to the stay at home fathers because as the workforce balance shifts, fathers who choose to stay home and be with the kids, that is a huge job. So thank you, stay at home fathers, because that's part of the.
[38:43]
Martha MacCallum
That's a whole different category in the stay at home boyfriend.
[38:46]
Leslie Marshall
Yeah, if my husband stayed home on the couch, he'd be sleeping on the couch. Anyway, One More Thing is up next.
[39:03]
Martha MacCallum
All right, time for One More Thing.
[39:04]
Unknown Male Panelist
Greg. Tonight we got a great show. Aaron McGuire, Jamie Lissow, Michael Loftus, Cyrus. That's tonight. Let's do this. Oh, yeah. We haven't done this in a while, so it was quite exciting. I'm gonna play the sound and we'll go around the table. And you guess what it is. Play the sound, Bailey.
[39:24]
Kayleigh McEnany
Dying cow.
[39:25]
Unknown Male Panelist
Dying cow. Doesn't that could just be a cow? Leslie?
[39:28]
Leslie Marshall
A buffalo.
[39:29]
Jesse Waters
Oh, I was gonna say water buffalo.
[39:31]
Unknown Male Panelist
Water buffalo. How about you?
[39:33]
Martha MacCallum
Yeah, I think it sounds like a cow.
[39:36]
Unknown Male Panelist
Let's roll the tape. It's a red wolf at the Point Defined zoo in Tacoma, Washington. Isn't that exciting?
[39:45]
Jesse Waters
No, that's misleading.
[39:46]
Unknown Male Panelist
Why is that misleading?
[39:47]
Jesse Waters
Usually it's like something we could get. We'd never get that.
[39:50]
Unknown Male Panelist
You would have to say a wolf.
[39:51]
Martha MacCallum
You better, Jesse. 10 seconds.
[39:52]
Jesse Waters
All right, tonight, Dan Bongino, Vivek Ramaswamy, Jimmy Failure on Jesse waters primetime at 8pM Bonjito.
[40:00]
Martha MacCallum
All right, that's great. Have a great night, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow.
[40:04]
Unknown Male Panelist
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Podcast Summary: The Five – "Michigan Squeaker" (August 5, 2026)

Overview

In this episode of "The Five," the panel dissects the surprising outcome of the Michigan Senate primary, in which progressive Abdul El-Sayed narrowly defeated moderate Haley Stevens. The conversation expands to the deepening ideological divides within the Democratic Party, the rise of progressive and socialist factions, and the challenges in uniting diverse voter blocs. The panelists also debate broader political and cultural trends—including masculinity in politics, shifts in the labor force, and key midterm election issues.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Michigan Senate Primary: El-Sayed’s Narrow Win and Party Divisions

Abdul El-Sayed (Progressive) narrowly defeats Haley Stevens (Moderate) by about 14,000 votes.
El-Sayed thanks Bernie Sanders for foundational support, calls for party unity.
Panel debate: The result exposes rifts between white, highly-educated progressive voters and working-class, Black, and lower-income Democrats.
Trump and Republican voices label El-Sayed a "communist loser," warning of socialism's ascent.

Martha MacCallum [01:24]: "It wasn't the working class voters that El-Sayed claims to represent who pushed him to victory... moderate Democrats, Stevens picked up the black vote. Detroit, Flint, lower income areas...think about what that means for the future."

Kayleigh McEnany [02:37]: "El-Sayed is to me one of the most dangerous left-wing candidates out there... He rejects the label of socialism while operating under the veneer of socialism... There’s a divide, a real divide among Democratic voters. The working class does not support the socialists. The college educated do."

2. Progressives vs. Moderates: What’s Next for Democrats?

Discussion of progressive wins vs. moderate (and pro-Israel/Jewish) Democratic victors across the country.
Emphasis that the majority of Democrats remain moderates, despite media focus on left-wing victories.

Leslie Marshall [04:30]: "The majority of Democrats are moderates...I'm a moderate Democrat, but I certainly want a Democrat more than I do a Republican and more than I do a pro-Trump Republican."
Concerns about division between the party's Black/working-class voters and white progressive base.
Impact of identity, ethnicity, and religion in the Michigan race, including discussions around Islamophobia and anti-Semitism.

Jesse Waters [08:24]: "He’s got ethnic problems, he's got class issues, and he's a Muslim in Michigan. And that will be a factor. This is a 75% white state. It's a big 10 state. He's got to connect there. If he can't, he's toast."

3. Is the Democratic Big Tent Collapsing?

Analysis of calls from Michael Moore and Bernie Sanders for the left to "claim the party's future."
Hasan Piker and others on the left express hostility to moderates.
Debate over whether Democrats can reconcile their “big tent” ambitions with growing polarization.

Jesse Waters [12:43]: "The Democrats keep selling the big tent, but if you’re a moderate, you’re sleeping in the woods. I'll say you type man. Far left, 9/11 apologist Hasan Piker, not calling for unity, but delivering a stark warning. The revolution has issued its eviction notice."
Questions of whether moderate voices or progressive voices will shape the party’s future.

Martha MacCallum [14:26]: "Bernie Sanders and these guys, Michael Moore, they're just like, whoa, this is what we've been saying all along. Except these guys are in a younger package with big muscles and they're selling something people are buying."

4. The GOP Response & Trump’s Economic Messaging

Trump’s campaign strategy focuses on economic populism: "no tax on tips," higher tax refunds, strong job growth, and recovery post-pandemic.
Emphasis that felt experience of voters is more important than raw economic data.

Jesse Waters [25:00]: "Crime 150 year low. Illegal border crosses all time low. You're getting $4,000 tax refunds, 4.2% unemployment. People are still spending like they have money."

Leslie Marshall [25:43]: "It is what they feel. And most Americans don't relate to the stock market...69% of Americans right now say the economy is poor. And the reason for that is they feel that their cost of living is high."
Debate on whether economic perceptions can tip voters in the midterms.

5. Masculinity, the Democratic Party, and Texas Senate Race

Discussion of Democrat James Talarico's campaign in Texas and GOP attacks on his masculinity.
Debate over what issues truly matter to male voters (economic vs. cultural); panel largely dismisses Democratic attempts to "perform" masculinity.

Kayleigh McEnany [28:50]: "The problem isn’t just Talarico. It’s the Democratic Party’s broader struggle with men... young men overwhelmingly pointed to the Republican Party as the better representative of men’s priorities."

Jesse Waters [31:05]: "Is it manly to be obsessed with trans K? Leslie? Is it manly to live with your parents until you’re 50? I mean, this guy is a joke. He was a DEI consultant. We're watching a sex change on live tv."

6. Shifts in Gender Roles and the Workforce

For the third time, women now outnumber men in the workforce; growth is driven by "white collar" jobs.
Men increasingly staying at home or living with parents, leading to cultural commentary on changing expectations and perceived "laziness."

Unknown Male Panelist [37:28]: "There is men’s work after all, and it's not equal. Why is heavy industrial labor so risky?...the real heavy labor in life, there was equality in heavy labor. It was men and it was women."

Kayleigh McEnany [38:30]: "Stay at home boyfriends, that is crazy. But I do want to say thank you to the stay at home fathers because as the workforce balance shifts, fathers who choose to stay home and be with the kids, that is a huge job."

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

El-Sayed on Identity Politics [00:53, quoting]: "They think that you want to use my whole name against me. Mike. Listen, man, if you can't say the name, it's Abd Al Rahman. Keep the name out your damn mouth."
Jesse Waters [07:24]: "You got to respect Abdul because he beat the machine big. ...this guy is a force that Mike Rogers is going to have to deal with."
Greg Gutfeld [09:17]: "I always get really nervous when I hear a liberal say the greater good, because that always ends in death."
Martha MacCallum [14:26]: "When I look back at sort of the energy that you're seeing on, on the right, on the left, it reminds me in some ways...of what you saw in 2016...They elected a president. You have this energy on the other side now..."
Kayleigh McEnany [19:40]: "The official platform of the DSA as rolled out 14 days ago...is eliminate the Senate, eliminate the presidency, eliminate the Supreme Court. They want to take the greatest system on planet Earth...and they want to rip it up."
Jesse Waters [25:00]: "Manufacturing activity is at a four year high. Construction booming...The people don’t feel like they have enough money. That’s the problem. It’s a feel thing because bidenomics boosted prices so high."
Kayleigh McEnany [28:27]: "No tax on tips. That affects 6 million Americans. No tax on overtime, 25 million...You work overtime, you get no tax thanks to President Trump..."
Kayleigh McEnany [28:50]: “The problem isn’t just Talarico. It’s the Democratic Party’s broader struggle with men…young men overwhelmingly pointed to the Republican Party as the better representative of men’s priorities.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

[00:18] – Michigan primary results & implications for Democratic Party
[04:13] – Panel debate: working class vs. college educated left
[06:47] – Mike Rogers' strategy against El-Sayed: terrorism, 9/11, and identity
[12:31] – Big tent politics, progressive ascendancy, and intra-party hostilities
[18:02] – GOP's Tea Party/MAGA and Democratic Party’s leftward shift
[22:00] – Trump’s economic populism, no tax on tips, Nevada strategy
[28:50] – Debating masculinity in politics: Texas Senate race and gender issues
[35:46] – Women become majority in workforce, impacts on gender roles

Conclusion

The episode offers a lively, at-times combative exploration of intra-party conflicts within the Democrats, the continued rise of the progressive faction, and the strategic Republican responses heading toward the midterms. Key undercurrents are the difficulty of balancing a “big tent” with stark ideological and demographic divides, and the party’s challenge in connecting with working-class and minority voters, whose votes are critical. The show also segues into broader questions of cultural identity—from masculinity to shifting gender roles—suggesting that 2026 campaign narratives will turn as much on culture as on policy.

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[00:05]
Martha MacCallum
Hello, everybody. I'm martha maccallum along with kayleigh mcnany, leslie marshall, jesse waters and greg gutfeld. It's five o' clock in new york and this is the five.
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Jesse Waters
Well, well, well.
[00:20]
Martha MacCallum
Shot across the bow for the Democratic establishment Progressive Abdul Al Said squeaked out a Narrow victory, about 14,000 votes, defeating, stick it to him, moderate Haley Stevens in the Michigan Senate primary. That has exposed some deep divisions within the Democrat Party. El Sayed extending an olive branch today. He said he spoke with Stevens. He said she's going to support him. They're going to be unified. And he shouted out the socialist OG Bernie Sanders, and said he's the man who made it all possible. Watch.
[00:53]
Jesse Waters
I know that it was a bitter end to this very long primary, but I also know that Haley brings the best of herself to her work. She is one of the most committed public servants that you'll ever meet. She loves democracy like I love democracy. I gotta give a special thank you to my first endorsers. Bernie Sanders, the OG who came in on day one, put his entire shoulder in the work. They think that you want to use my whole name against me. Mike. Listen, man, if you can't say the name, it's Abd Al Rahman. Keep the name out your damn mouth.
[01:24]
Martha MacCallum
But it wasn't working. It wasn't the working class voters that El Sayed claims to represent who pushed him to victory. Politico reports that the radical candidate performed best among wealthy, highly educated white voters, primarily while moderate Democrats. Stevens picked up the black vote. Detroit, Flint, lower income areas and less educated areas. So think about what that means for the future. And President Trump weighed in on the race, calling Al Said, quote, a communist loser. He said, warning it's a slippery slope for the country to start electing socialist candidates.
[02:02]
Greg Gutfeld
I think it's crazy because they're going to ruin our country. They want to. I don't know if they want to. I think either they're very naive or they actually want to ruin the country. No matter where you look, go back a thousand years with different names. Anybody doing what they're doing and what they're espousing, everything turns out to ashes and junk and filthy.
[02:22]
Martha MacCallum
All right, Kayleigh, let's start with you. You could feel him in this, in this statement that he made today, kind of trying to pull to the middle here because he knows he's got to win over some of those voters who voted for Haley Stevens who didn't want him in this primary.
[02:37]
Kayleigh McEnany
Yeah, no doubt about it. And he did a pretty savvy Job at that. El Said is to me one of the most dangerous left wing candidates out there. Why? Because he rejects the label of socialism while operating under the veneer of socialism. You look at his policies, Medicare for all, abolish ice, Supreme Court reform, billionaire tax arms, embargo on Israel. These are all policies of the dsa. But yet he says, I reject the DSA on one hand. But then on the other hand, he's at six DSA events. He headlined a fundraiser for the dsa. He has a litany of socialist policies. But he's dangerous because he rejects it in name. So voters have to study closely. But Democrats, socialism is on the march. You see this with El Sayed. You see it in D.C. they're about to have a socialist mayor. They already have one in Seattle with Katie Wilson. We have one here in New York City with Zoran Mamdani. And you look across the party and these left wing socialists are winning. Here's the problem they have, and you pointed to it in this introduction. There's a divide, a real divide among Democratic voters. The working class does not support the socialists. The college educated do. There's a huge dividend. Another divide. You have white liberals who support the socialists, but black voters, voters of colors in these primaries do not. Politico said it succinctly. It was a break between two unsettled factions of the Democratic Party, black voters and the left. So that's where we stand. Can you unite these two factions? Possibly Zoran Mamdani did it, but I'm not sure that's going to work statewide in Michigan. Final takeaway. And to me, the biggest takeaway of the night. Jesse, you have one of the greatest heads of hair in television, but we lost one of the greatest heads of hair in Congress, Sri Tannadar. He's gone. And that is a tragedy.
[04:14]
Jesse Waters
Oh my God.
[04:15]
Martha MacCallum
So Leslie, Greg says I have fake hair.
[04:17]
Jesse Waters
Look at that.
[04:19]
Martha MacCallum
Leslie, how do, how does the Democratic Party address this when you have working voters, working class voters, who the people who say they're all about the worker won't vote for?
[04:30]
Leslie Marshall
Well, first of all, now you're going to have him up against a Republican, a pro Trump Republican, a Republican who is not originally from Michigan like El Sayed is. And you know I will some people stay home and not like him, maybe even just because he's Muslim, really. But there are going to be people that are going to come out and they're going to vote for him. Because I'm hoping, as we're already seeing, that the Democrats are going to band together, because to them it's for the greater good to have a Democrat in power, whether they're the more liberal, progressive faction, even a DS candidate, than to have, you know, their moderate candidate that they wanted. I'm a moderate Democrat, but I certainly want a Democrat more than I do a Republican and more than I do a pro Trump Republican. You know, some people we're not talking about today that also won. We, you know, everybody thinks that and we're talking about. And it makes the news cycle when we have the far left of the left win. But we don't talk about Adam Hamilton in Kansas who talks about working on both sides. Katie Hobbs is going to pick a Republican as Lieutenant governor. Eugene Vindman is certainly not a socialist. How about Eleanor Luna, who is a Jewish candidate who won, who is pro Israel and pro aipac, and then Fred Wellman, who is also a moderate. Those are just a few. They all won yesterday, too. We're not talking about them. The reason is the majority of Democrats are moderates. Do we see more people, especially among the youth, not just the white college educated, but still especially among the youth, do we see these younger people saying, yes, I like what I'm hearing and what they're hearing, the message that they're hearing. You touched upon some of it. Kaylee, what did Sayad say? I want to make health care, groceries, gas, more affordable. I think most Americans want that. I don't want data centers in the town. Most Americans don't want that. I want to have less money, if not any money in politics. I want to tax the rich. I want to end the war in Iran. I want to have money spent here on Americans, not in other countries, including the country. His parents are from Egypt.
[06:27]
Kayleigh McEnany
And he can't be sad about the Ayatollah being gone because that would sadden his voters. Yeah, not that one.
[06:31]
Martha MacCallum
He said you can't say anything about it because some people are really sad that the Ayatollah died in Dearborn, but
[06:37]
Leslie Marshall
we saw that in Iran. In Iran, we saw that. And certainly there with Al Shayed's voters. I live in Los Angeles, which is called Tyrontulus. I saw people marching for and against what we're doing.
[06:47]
Martha MacCallum
Okay. Because the Iranians that I know in New York were would have danced on his grave because he slaughtered tens of thousands of people in the street. And for some reason, this individual has a hard time saying that it's a good thing that he's no longer on this earth. Jesse, Mike Rogers gave us a little bit of a Window into where he's going to go with this. He said, I spent years hunting terrorists and bringing Osama bin Laden to justice. Never in a million years did I think I would be running against someone who believes America is deserved. 9, 11. And that was a quote from Hasan Piker, who Al Said likes to hang out with quite a bit. He was with him right before the election.
[07:25]
Jesse Waters
Yeah, but you got to respect Abdul because he beat the machine big. Gretsch, Pelosi, Schumer, he slaughtered them. Jewish Super PAC, 30 mil couldn't do it. And so say what you want about him, this guy is a force that Mike Rogers is going to have to deal with. Mike Rogers was born and raised in Michigan, by the way. I don't know if you knew that, but that's a fact. Now the Democrat establishment has lost total control from Michigan to Maine to New York. The base is now calling the shots. And it was a very simple message. And you are right. All I hear from this guy, medicare for all, end the war, abolish ice, get money out of politics, especially Jewish money. And he was very crafty, distancing himself from the crazy Communists. Did it just enough to be able to pull it off. And he's always doing hits, constantly on my feed, on tv. So that's something you're gonna have to deal with. He still lost half Democrat primary voters.
[08:25]
Greg Gutfeld
Right.
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Jesse Waters
And he's got ethnic problems, he's got class issues, and he's a Muslim in Michigan. And that will be a factor. This is a 75% white state. It's a big 10 state. He's got to connect there. If he can't connect, he's toast. The Rogers guy isn't 100% MAGA, you know, he's army, former FBI, special agent, member of Congress. I think he matches up great against Abdul. So there's a great chance Republicans pick up the seat and pick up the main seat. And if that happens, it's not going to be John Fetterman's head on the stake. It's going to be Bernie Sanders.
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Martha MacCallum
Yeah, he said he wanted, basically wanted Fetterman's head on a pike. He said, ideally, you put one ogre on a pike and then everyone else gets the message. And all of a sudden it starts to sound a lot different out there.
[09:18]
Unknown Male Panelist
Well, I always get really nervous when I hear a liberal say the greater good, because that always ends in death. Oh, we got to break a lot of eggs to make an omelet. Well, what is the greater good here? You listed goals, but you didn't list a single system. I want cheaper food and oil. How do you do that? They never ask a socialist that because they know the answer doesn't exist. They make everything more existence. They choke supply, increase demand. I don't want data centers. Great. Do you think China is going to feel the same way or any other country? How are you going to get your AI or your Internet? I don't want crime or social decay. How do you do that when you want to defund the police and replace them with social workers? We don't need a capitalist party, but for some reason you guys need a socialist party because you got to force it on it. I love watching the Democrat party operate without a Trojan horse like they did with Biden when they hid in him. It's all out in the open. Anti Americanism, hatred for the free market, a love especially for envy and grievance and an ignorance of reality. Incentives disincentives. The deep division of the party comes down to this. Do you yell Allah Akbar or Heil Hitler? There are a party of hate people and we know this. We know this. They're just doing it out in the open. Once again. The radical left always does well among elites because the elites are insulated from the consequences of the policies that the extreme push. But the lower income people, the less educated, they experience the hell up close. The liberal elite, when things go bad, they can go move to a safer neighborhood, they can go to better schools. They have the freedom to leave the deteriorating public systems that when it all goes under socialism and they can avoid the street level disorder that blacks and Hispanics can't. So they can support radical candidates pat themselves on the back for their expression of their heightened moral status. While the blue collar folk, they live in the places affected by the property and violent crime. They rely on the public schools that go to hell because you guys adopt these grisly policy experiments on children under the name of diversity in this race. In terms of candidates, the narrative is far left versus center left. That gap doesn't exist when there's a Senate election. It's meaningless. Leslie's right, doesn't matter who it is. They're going to vote blue because he's a Republican and we know the Republicans as we are told are Nazis. No matter how bad that Democrat is, who has a Nazi tattoo, you're going to vote for him because he's not a fascist. Trump because we created the narrative that Republicans were just bad, bad people. So no matter what, we're going to take somebody who actually says has supporters who says that we deserve 9 11? We'd rather have that than Republican because, you know, Republicans are fascists and Nazis. The only difference that said has from say, Haley is that he wears his anti Americanism on his sleeve. If she had won and won the Senate seat, her leftist elitism would still gobble up the same ideology because that's what they do when they want to survive.
[12:32]
Martha MacCallum
All right, coming up next. So much for big tent politics. Michael Moore is encouraging the left to seize the party's future. In this moment,
[12:43]
Jesse Waters
Three little birds, it's by my doorstep. The Democrats keep selling the big tent, but if you're a moderate, you're sleeping in the woods. I'll say you type man. Far left, 911 apologist Hasan Piker. Not calling for unity, but delivering a stark warning. The revolution has issued its eviction notice.
[13:19]
Unknown Male Panelist
Everyone being like, Abdul has a ton of work to do mending bridges. Here's the take nuke for you, okay? You are all unbelievably Islamophobic pieces of. Okay, you literally called the dude a terrorist for months on end and like, called him a sexist. Now you're gonna sit there and be like, well, you know, you really gotta come to me now.
[13:41]
Jesse Waters
Like, what are you talking about? And Piker isn't alone. Bernie Sanders and Michael Moore begging for a full blown socialist couple. Mr. Carvel doesn't want to be in my party, the party that I belong to, that Pica that Syed belongs to, he can start his own party. I think we need a big tent and I think people like Pica should be welcome into that.
[14:03]
Leslie Marshall
Does it require a change in the
[14:06]
Martha MacCallum
establishment and in the way things are
[14:08]
Kayleigh McEnany
done to effectuate the changes you want to see?
[14:10]
Greg Gutfeld
If I could get on my knees and beg, it would be for exactly
[14:13]
Jesse Waters
what you just said. I will not support hacks acts in the Democratic Party who have led us to this Waterloo. So more than these two factions patch things up by election day.
[14:27]
Martha MacCallum
I'm just thinking like, how happy like Bernie Sanders and these guys, Michael Moore, they're just like, whoa, this is what we've been saying all along. Except these guys are in a younger package with big muscles and they're selling something that people are buying. But the thing is, when I look back at sort of the energy that you're seeing on, on the right, on the left, it reminds me in some ways, although the politics are completely different of what you saw in 2016, where you saw a divided Republican party and you saw the energy with people who wanted to overthrow the way things were happening. And everyone said, oh, they'll never last. And yet they did. And they elected a president. You have this energy on the other side now that is saying that they don't like the way their party does things, that they want to kick them all out. They don't want a big tent. They want to scold and swear at, you know, members of their own party. But the people who are most interesting to watch here in my mind in Michigan are the Haley Stevens voter because they're the blue collar voter, right? And obviously blue collar voters, the forgotten men and women who President Trump was able to bring into the fold. Black voters, blue collar voters, voters who were totally disillusioned by what had been offered to them by Democrats. They voted for President Trump in 2024 in big numbers. Some of them are up for grabs right now. I mean, when you look at some of the polling you look at, and I think the economy is turning around, there's a lot of energy that I think will pull that back. But those voters are the people that nobody pays attention to and that need to be, you know, I think the Republican Party, if they want to win this election, they need to convince those voters who are moderate independent, maybe voted for Haley Stevens, don't want any of this stuff that they're hearing about socialism. They're the people once again, the forgotten men and women in this entire voting landscape that need to be spoken to about how you get there with capitalism, how you get there, how you don't look for a handout. And they need to know that there are, you know, that that energy supports them in whichever party is able to do that for them and prove that they're going to give them a brighter future, I think will succeed in the midterms.
[16:27]
Jesse Waters
You agree with that, Greg? Yeah.
[16:29]
Unknown Male Panelist
I was just thinking about the reason why Michael Moore loves a big tent. The only thing he can wear these days. I hear, whenever I hear the phrase Islamophobe, it always kind sets me off into a different direction. Like I think about, if you have a problem with evangelicals, does that make you an evangelical phobe? There's no such thing as a Catholic phobe. And there's a plenty of people that are critical of Catholicism, but we don't accuse them of being Catholic. Can't even say it. But if you have legitimate concerns about Islam, that makes you a phobe. What does that tell you? Tells you they don't want you to criticize their religion. Why don't they want you to do that? It's a good question. I Think the absurdity of the big tent lies in the fact that they've stopped defending their values or the foundation of their tent. And that signaled weakness. And so the vultures circled. They're around by. And the funny thing is, by not demanding assimilation into their party, they can demand it of you. So what you're seeing here is a lot of gloating, a lot of people saying, we don't got to change. You got to come to us.
[17:33]
Martha MacCallum
You.
[17:33]
Unknown Male Panelist
It's the open borders death punch applied to their party. Remember, the Dems took our country, which was a melting pot, which incorporated assimilate, assimilation, turned it into an open tent where anybody could come in and reject assimilation and instead bring their separatist, intolerant doctrine into the country. And we must abide. That's exactly what's happening to their party. It's exactly the same thing.
[18:00]
Jesse Waters
Is that what's happening to your party?
[18:02]
Leslie Marshall
No, actually, I agree with something that Martha said, because I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I do think my party needs to take a page out of the Republican playbook. Don't faint. Because when you look at the Tea Party, the Tea Party came up and there were, you know, moderate Republicans saying,
[18:17]
Unknown Male Panelist
no, no, no, no.
[18:18]
Leslie Marshall
We don't want what you're selling. But what did they do? They united. At the end of the day, when you had MAGA and pro Trump and moderate Republicans, people who, you know, love Trump now but didn't at one time saying terrible things about Trump, what did they do? They united. They came together. That's what Democrats need to do. I'm seeing some of that. We're less than 24 hours out from some of these revelations and some of these elections. But look, I want to be, you know, very clear. I'm a moderate Democrat. Hasan Piker doesn't speak for me. He doesn't speak for the party. Neither does Michael Moore. And I'm getting really tired of people like James Carville, you know, I love you, and, you know, yes, it is the economy. Stupid. But I think it's stupid to bail on your party if you have one candidate that you do not like that.
[19:02]
Martha MacCallum
I mean, we're not talking about socialism. We're not talking about, like, you know, coming together and finding ways to agree. It's her. You're talking about a very dramatic change in the country here.
[19:10]
Unknown Male Panelist
I would.
[19:11]
Leslie Marshall
I would respect a Democrat or Republican who came out and said, I'm gonna leave the party if we, you know, if we support this pedophile, if we support this sexual abuser.
[19:20]
Martha MacCallum
Right.
[19:20]
Leslie Marshall
You know, rather than hold them to task and push and push them out for that. I want to. I want to say one more thing. Bernie Sanders says my party. Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. He's an Independent. He is welcome into the big tent of Democrats. He votes with and caucuses with the Democrats. Votes with Democrats most of the time. But this isn't. It shouldn't be an us versus them.
[19:41]
Kayleigh McEnany
Yes, it should be. That is ridiculous to say the Tea Party is the same as the socialist. Did the Tea Party ever, as a part of their platform.
[19:49]
Jesse Waters
No.
[19:49]
Kayleigh McEnany
You are analogizing coming together with the Tea Party to coming together with the social within a party.
[19:53]
Leslie Marshall
When you let me finish. Ideals within that.
[19:55]
Kayleigh McEnany
Did the Tea Party ever say, let's rip Article 2 apart? No, they did not. Did they ever say, let's rip Article one apart? No, they did not. Did they ever say, let's rip Article 3 apart? No, they did not. The official platform of the DSA as rolled out 14 days ago, 14 to 17 days ago, is eliminate the Senate, eliminate the presidency, eliminate the Supreme Court. They want to take the greatest system on planet Earth, United States democracy. Conceive from nothing this experiment, this grand experiment that turned into the greatest governing system in the world. And they want to rip it up. And don't call out James Carville. You should be praising James Carville for saying, no, I can't take birth control. I'm a biological male. No, we shouldn't eliminate the Senate. Where are the courageous Democrats? Because I can count on one hand John Fetterman, Henry Cuellar, James Carville, I wish you would call them out because it is very destructive to support a party and say, let's cozy up with the DSA who wants to rip up the United States Constitution. It's absurd. And don't draw comparisons to the Tea Party. I don't get hot under the collar. But suggesting the Tea Party wants to rip up the foundation of our country,
[20:59]
Unknown Male Panelist
it's completely left out something, though not what. The Tea Party and MAGA never said kill anybody. Plenty of them on that side that did this. You can't. You cannot compare the two. Because at least the Tea Party and MAGA are compatible with Republicans. This is incompatible, you would hope, with the Democratic Party and with America in general. Because the DSA says that America is not a positive force for good. They do not understand free markets or even human behavior. It's MAGA is make America Great Again. The DSA is make America go away, which is also maga, by the way.
[21:35]
Jesse Waters
Catholic.
[21:36]
Kayleigh McEnany
Very different kind of maga.
[21:38]
Jesse Waters
Yes. Coming up, Trump rides into Sin City looking to cash in big for the midterms.
[22:00]
Unknown Male Panelist
With the midterms now just three months away, Trump hitting up Las Vegas, the birthplace of many things, including his no tax on Tips pledge in 2024.
[22:11]
Greg Gutfeld
We won the state in a landslide. It was a big, beautiful. Well, no tax on tips didn't hurt. I mean, it's one of the greatest things. People are making a lot of money. No tax on TV tips. And it's great. When we took office, we inherited a total catastrophe. Biden and the radical left Democrats, I call them Democrats because their policies are so dumb.
[22:36]
Martha MacCallum
Martha.
[22:36]
Unknown Male Panelist
I don't think Democrats is his best line, but he loves it. But he's right. There's been like a 15% jump in average tax refunds, which matters in Vegas, may not matter in the Hamptons or wherever. You know, that wasn't a jab at you.
[22:49]
Martha MacCallum
I don't go to the Hamptons.
[22:50]
Unknown Male Panelist
Thank God for that. No wonder I never see you.
[22:56]
Martha MacCallum
You know, whoever can sort of corral the support of the service industry in Nevada is going to win the election. I mean, I remember when Obama got the endorsement of the SEIU in Nevada. It was a huge moment that propelled him to the presidency. And President Trump lost Nevada in the first two elections and won it in big league, as he would say, in 2024. So I think he's going back. You know, he's going to places where he wants to shore up support for the midterms in a big way. And some of them are places that are. That have been tricky for him in the past. And I think that's why you're seeing him there. And I think no tax on tips was kind of a brilliant move for him. He said he spoke to a waitress who said she didn't like the fact that she was taxed on her tips, which as a former waitress, I can completely sympathize with and understand. So, you know, I think he's doing the work he's getting out there. He's doing the work that needs to be done in these areas to convince people that things are improving in the economy.
[23:49]
Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah. You know, Jesse, the service industry isn't just waitresses. And I was going to ask you as an expert, who else serves. What are the sex workers saying in Vegas about the no tax on tips?
[24:00]
Jesse Waters
I don't know. Let me call Jimmy Fallow. Can I do a Kudlow?
[24:05]
Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah.
[24:05]
Jesse Waters
Manufacturing activity is at a four year high. Construction booming in the Sun Belt. Blue collar Wages accelerating to massive levels. You've seen the stock market up 30% since Trump was elected. Aerospace, high tech, AI, cars, it's all going bananas, Greg. Also, if you live in a place that's actually building apartments, rents at a four year low here, where they don't build and they boot illegals into the city. Yeah, you're going to have high rent. So that's the problem. That's supply and demand, Leslie. Crime 150 year low. Illegal border crosses all time low. You're getting $4,000 tax refunds, 4.2% unemployment. People are still spending like they have money. Consumer spending is like shot out of a cannon. The people don't feel like they have enough money. That's the problem. It's a feel thing because bidenomics boosted prices so high. And then Trump came with Liberation Day in the war in Iran. Now that that's behind us, you're going to get energy prices down. Prices will follow, rates will come down. That'll be good. Trump just has to draw the contrast. It's a very small tilt in the rearview mirror. How bad you guys were, you guys started the affordability crisis and the border crisis and the crime crisis. He just has to make that case. And now that you've introduced communism, it should be a layup.
[25:32]
Unknown Male Panelist
You know, just, I think it's Larry Kudlow's birthday today.
[25:35]
Jesse Waters
Happy birthday, Larry.
[25:36]
Unknown Male Panelist
If I'm wrong, just pretend it's your birthday, Larry. What say you, Leslie, to Jesse's powerful, powerful statements.
[25:43]
Leslie Marshall
Powerful PowerPoint demonstration verbally. Look, you know, the American people, I'm going to agree with you on one point. It is what they feel. And most Americans don't relate to the stock market because most Americans aren't directly involved with, you know, gambling in the stock market.
[25:59]
Jesse Waters
Americans are exposed to the markets, Jesse.
[26:01]
Leslie Marshall
69% of Americans right now say the economy is poor. And the reason for that is they feel that their cost of living is high. The reason for that is they see that tariffs and the refunds for those tariffs are being given to corporations. Let's use Walmart, for example.
[26:16]
Martha MacCallum
Right?
[26:16]
Leslie Marshall
Walmart is going to get a huge check. The American people, the consumer, they're not seeing the check, but what did they see? They saw the higher prices on the shelves at Walmart being passed down to them. So the American people don't feel that life is more affordable. You know, the President, the president had said and talked about not just the stock market, but he also talked about how he, you know, he talks about things that a lot of people you know, don't understand. You know, why are we putting a second coat of gold on these statues in Washington, D.C. why are we sending, you know, money overseas to various places? What about us? That's what the American people are saying. And that's not just people in my party. And that's not just socialist. Far left.
[26:59]
Jesse Waters
Let's talk about.
[27:00]
Unknown Male Panelist
I remember you guys sharing Doge. So just a point of order. Larry Kudlow's birthday is until August 20th. So I stand corrected.
[27:07]
Kayleigh McEnany
It was this week.
[27:08]
Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah. We'll be doing a public apology later tonight. Building last word to you, Kaylee.
[27:13]
Kayleigh McEnany
Yes, I attract my erroneous statement there about Larry Kudlow. Happy early birthday, Larry. You want to talk about refunds, Leslie? This is the biggest tax refund season, I'm pretty sure in the last decade. You look at tax refunds, $3,400. This is an 11% increase. What President Trump has done is a huge win for the working class. And it can be categorized. No tax on tips. That affects 6 million Americans. No tax on overtime, 25 million. Imagine that. You work overtime, you get no tax thanks to President Trump and what Republicans have done. 30 million seniors affected by the enhanced deduction for seniors. A million by no tax on car loan interest, and the list goes on. That's before we get to Trump accounts. What a win that you can be a mom, a struggling mom giving birth to a baby, and your baby immediately gets $1,000. You can say, thank you, President Trump, for that. You can also say thank you because he is exactly right. He inherited a catastrophe. The height of inflation under President Joe Biden was 8.1%. It's now at 3.5%. More work needs to be done. Leslie, I agree with you there. President Trump needs to articulate his economic vision in the way he did today over and over again. I agree with you there. They don't talk about the economy enough, but the wins are there, and now they need to be discussed. And the American people need to connect the tax rate refund with the great work of Republicans and the president.
[28:28]
Unknown Male Panelist
Well said. Coming up, the media is blowing more smoke about Talarico's manhood.
[28:51]
Kayleigh McEnany
Oh, boy. The media is lecturing Republicans on masculinity again. This time, it's over. Texas Democratic candidate, Senate candidate James Talarico has been trying to project a more macho image, including showing off his blowtorching skills. Check out this Politico headline. Republicans want to talk about James Talarico's manhood. Talarico says let them. But read a little further And Politico admits that the problem isn't just Talarico. It's the Democratic Party's broader struggle with men. According to a focus group, quote, young men overwhelmingly pointed to the Republican Party as the better representative of men's priorities, associating Republicans with financial independence and starting a family and Democrats with cultural issues. Leslie, I may shock you, but I could agree with you here. I think the issue with Talarico, less masculinity. And I would be litigating his past statements like prison is violence. The borders a giant welcome, Mac, with a big lock on the front. Trans community needs abortion care. That may be stronger footing.
[29:47]
Leslie Marshall
I don't, I hope that Republicans keep attacking his masculinity because the last five polls have him up, although with a margin of error on some between 2 and 5%, including Fox News poll, 3%. Here is, here are numbers that I like when we talk about men. Trump carried Latino voters in Texas by 10%. Talarico has them by 19. And that's right now. And then if you look at the amount of people that are white voters that are just, they're just running from Ken Paxton. If we want to talk about manhood, can we look at Ken Paxton? Is it manly to commit adultery? Is it manly to, you know, to give a pass for a pedophile and to say he doesn't have to register as a sex offender in that state? Is it a manly thing to do when over 200 people die in a snowstorm to flee your state and go to Utah and go skiing? That's not the kind of man that I want. And by the way, the people of Texas want the same thing the people of Michigan do. They want affordability. They want the prices in the grocery store to be lower, the prices at the gas pump to be lower. They, they don't, they don't care whether, now some of these men do, but they don't care whether or not James Talarico can bench press so much. They care whether or not James Talarico can deliver for them the affordability that they need to survive?
[31:01]
Kayleigh McEnany
Jesse, because the men that Texas want are people who say our trans community needs abortion care.
[31:06]
Jesse Waters
Is it manly to be obsessed with trans K? Leslie? Is it manly to live with your parents until you're 50? I mean, this guy is a joke. He was a DEI consultant. We're watching a sex change on live tv. This guy started the race as a woman, and he's trying to end it as a man. Remember, he was a vegan. Now he's a Carnivore. Remember now? It was like the American flag is confusing. Now he's in a truck with an American flag. Come on. I thought when I heard this guy had a blowtorch, it was going to be like Brad Pitt in. Remember he had that thing, it was like a gut, like a dragon breathing. This thing's a Bic lighter.
[31:43]
Martha MacCallum
It's like a science lab, right?
[31:45]
Kayleigh McEnany
Yes, it does.
[31:46]
Jesse Waters
That's not a blowtorch. I look at this guy, Leslie. He looks androgynous. You remember that movie, 40 Year Old Virgin? That's him. He's pasty white, he's got his pants pulled up too high. And I agree, you got to hit him on the issues. And Paxton should be doing that. Where's Paxton? I've seen Mitch McConnell more than Paxton. McConnell's been in the hospital all summer. Get out of your whole. Paxton and do something. I can't win this race for you. It's not on fox. Go raise some money. Do a hit and lay the lumber to this guy. I mean, he's younger and he's got a little energy and he's new or whatever, but come on. If you lose this seat for Republicans in Texas, you should seek asylum in Mexico. This cannot happen.
[32:30]
Leslie Marshall
They don't want Martha.
[32:32]
Kayleigh McEnany
And yet Texas has always been the elusive dream of Democrats.
[32:34]
Martha MacCallum
Yeah, that's true. I mean, Beto o' Rourke was the savior that was going to be the first Democrat to win in Texas. I'm just going to very quickly say this. Michael Dukakis in a. In a tank. In a military tank. He lost. John Kerry on a windsurfer and hunting.
[32:50]
Jesse Waters
That might be lost.
[32:51]
Martha MacCallum
Right. Tim Waltz. Okay. They pretending to be a hunter and talking a lot about being a manly man. He lost. You know, it's like. You know it when you see it. Masculinity. It's confidence. It's leadership, actually. Women and men can possess these qualities quite naturally. This guy does not possess them. But I agree with you. Paxton is, you know, seems to be missing in action. So it's possible that Talarico may be able to pull it off.
[33:19]
Kayleigh McEnany
Craig?
[33:19]
Unknown Male Panelist
Well, the stuff Leslie mentioned about Paxton, their behavior and legal decisions. But we're looking at a political stance done for the sake of social capital. And the litmus test for real men is trans. That's why it's a big deal. That's why men are leaving your party. You cannot support a concept that a man can become a woman and then allowing them access to women's spaces, whether it's a locker room Or a bathroom, or even a prison shower and still be considered a real man. It's biological incompatible. When a man, another man, sees another man enter a female space, there's a protective circuitry that's activated Regardless of what you say your identity is, what your clothing is, or your self descriptions of any kind. The male brain and nervous system responds instantly to the statistical reality of male pattern strength. We can't help it. It's irrelevant. It's irrelevant to identity. The inclusion argument that the Democrats have embraced requires overriding this biological inevitability in favor of an ideological claim for a real man. That override feels not just wrong, but a betrayal. It's a betrayal to your role protecting the physically weaker sex. That is a biological reality. When a man does that, he is no longer a man. Because that's the same protective mechanism that comes into play when you intervene in any male or female violence. If you see it on the street, you act so rejecting that when you see it happen, whether it is him or Seth Moulton, it's a calculated political move to avoid reputational damage and to get approval in progressive settings. To gain social capital, they throw women under the bus. So he's not a man anymore. In my view, he's not a man. His moral judgment has bowed to external pressure. He's abandoned his manly duties and he's a coward. And I'm sorry. Any man that is pro trans is a coward because he knows it's dishonest. A man cannot be a woman.
[35:32]
Kayleigh McEnany
And on that very same note, coming up next, women are now bringing home the bacon.
[35:47]
Unknown Male Panelist
No, nothing could matter. God, I wish something mattered to you.
[35:55]
Leslie Marshall
The American breadwinner is changing. For the third time in history, women outnumber men in the workforce. As the stay at home boyfriend becomes an economic trend. All right, I'll start with Greg.
[36:07]
Unknown Male Panelist
What this is called. Dirtbag. I'm sorry.
[36:14]
Martha MacCallum
Thank you.
[36:14]
Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah. Look, man, the. They talk about the female job growth has gone up. It's all white collar, right? It's nonprofits, education, academic administration, office support. The growth isn't in logging or roofing or firefighting or machinists. So that's all the stuff where men die. So it turns out there is men's work after all, and it's not equal. So why I was thinking about this today because I thought this was just such a stupid topic. Why is heavy industrial labor so risky? Because it calls for a high physical demand, but sustained vigilance, you know, under fatigue and isolation, if you like, lose any situational awareness, you could Die. What does that sound like to you, being a mom? A lapse in any situational awareness. A kid dies, chokes, he falls. A sudden danger, you know, while the person, the mom, is severely sleep deprived. It turns out there's no office job that is this non negotiable. So the real heavy labor in life, there was equality. There was once equality in heavy labor. It was men and it was women. Probably 50 years ago.
[37:28]
Leslie Marshall
Martha, a mom.
[37:29]
Martha MacCallum
I mean, this just goes back to the last topic in my mind. It's like, you know, a man when you see him and he is not sitting on the couch playing a video game. He is at work and he's providing for his family. And they say basically it's because there's this gap where more men are living with their parents than living with a woman who's going out to work every day. And they're living with their parents because their parents keep supporting them and the generational wealth is coming down toward them, and they're just like, I don't really need to go to work. So he's a lazy bum, a dirtbag, whatever word you want to use. No, thank you.
[38:01]
Leslie Marshall
Okay, Jesse.
[38:02]
Jesse Waters
Well, we sent those industrial jobs where you work with your hands to sweatshops in Asia, and then we brought in the Mexicans and paid them pennies on the dollar to do it here. And then if you wanted to go corporate dei, no, no men allowed. So there is an issue. But a lot of these guys are straight up lazy and they want the woman to work and they want to stay home and smoke dope and watch their phone. And you know what happens when you do that? You grow breasts.
[38:25]
Unknown Male Panelist
Yeah, it's true.
[38:26]
Jesse Waters
Turn into a woman physically. It's been studied.
[38:30]
Kayleigh McEnany
Look, stay at home boyfriends. That is crazy. But I do want to say thank you to the stay at home fathers because as the workforce balance shifts, fathers who choose to stay home and be with the kids, that is a huge job. So thank you, stay at home fathers, because that's part of the.
[38:43]
Martha MacCallum
That's a whole different category in the stay at home boyfriend.
[38:46]
Leslie Marshall
Yeah, if my husband stayed home on the couch, he'd be sleeping on the couch. Anyway, One More Thing is up next.
[39:03]
Martha MacCallum
All right, time for One More Thing.
[39:04]
Unknown Male Panelist
Greg. Tonight we got a great show. Aaron McGuire, Jamie Lissow, Michael Loftus, Cyrus. That's tonight. Let's do this. Oh, yeah. We haven't done this in a while, so it was quite exciting. I'm gonna play the sound and we'll go around the table. And you guess what it is. Play the sound, Bailey.
[39:24]
Kayleigh McEnany
Dying cow.
[39:25]
Unknown Male Panelist
Dying cow. Doesn't that could just be a cow? Leslie?
[39:28]
Leslie Marshall
A buffalo.
[39:29]
Jesse Waters
Oh, I was gonna say water buffalo.
[39:31]
Unknown Male Panelist
Water buffalo. How about you?
[39:33]
Martha MacCallum
Yeah, I think it sounds like a cow.
[39:36]
Unknown Male Panelist
Let's roll the tape. It's a red wolf at the Point Defined zoo in Tacoma, Washington. Isn't that exciting?
[39:45]
Jesse Waters
No, that's misleading.
[39:46]
Unknown Male Panelist
Why is that misleading?
[39:47]
Jesse Waters
Usually it's like something we could get. We'd never get that.
[39:50]
Unknown Male Panelist
You would have to say a wolf.
[39:51]
Martha MacCallum
You better, Jesse. 10 seconds.
[39:52]
Jesse Waters
All right, tonight, Dan Bongino, Vivek Ramaswamy, Jimmy Failure on Jesse waters primetime at 8pM Bonjito.
[40:00]
Martha MacCallum
All right, that's great. Have a great night, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow.
[40:04]
Unknown Male Panelist
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