Monumental Memorial

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five – "Monumental Memorial"

Date: September 22, 2025
Host(s): Dana Perino, Kayleigh McEnany, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Watters, Tyrus

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Overview

This somber episode of The Five centers on the monumental public memorial for Charlie Kirk, the conservative activist and founder of Turning Point USA, who was recently assassinated. The hosts reflect on Kirk's influence, the nation's reaction to his death – especially his widow Erica Kirk's public display of forgiveness – and resulting political debates. Hot-button topics follow, including media controversy surrounding Jimmy Kimmel, divisive comments in Congress, Gavin Newsom’s mask ban for law enforcement, and a discussion on Kamala Harris’s new memoir and lingering internal Democratic Party issues.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charlie Kirk’s Memorial and Erica Kirk’s Forgiveness

Segment Start: 00:02

• Scene Setting: Nearly 100,000 people filled State Farm Stadium in Arizona to honor Charlie Kirk. Presidents, officials, and influencers attended or sent condolences.
• Erica Kirk’s Forgiveness: A central moment was Erica Kirk, his widow, publicly forgiving her husband’s killer.
  • Quote (Erica Kirk, 01:57): “I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do.”
  • Emphasized that the response to violence was love and peace, not more violence.
  • Quote (Erica Kirk, 02:28): “The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love.”
• President Trump’s Eulogy and Reflections:
  • Trump honored Kirk as “a martyr now for American freedom.”
  • Quote (Donald Trump, 02:42): “He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them.”
  • Trump candidly admitted his struggle with forgiveness, suggesting two perspectives in the country.
• Jesse Watters’ Report From the Memorial:
  • Witnessed a sense of Christian revival: “In the last week I've talked more about Jesus Christ than I ever have in my entire public life.” (03:37)
  • Kirk’s hard work and character recounted: waking up at 5am, not taking a salary, personal humility.
  • Contrasted Erica’s forgiveness with Trump’s stark authenticity: “He’s not going to pretend to be a fake Christian.”

2. Political and Moral Implications

Segment Start: 06:42

• Harold Ford Jr.’s Reflection:
  • Praised Erica Kirk and connected her forgiveness to historical moments like the Emanuel AME Church shooting: “We were reminded of terrible moments... where those… forgave those who caused harm.” (06:48)
  • Criticized certain Democrats for not supporting a resolution honoring Charlie Kirk, framing it as a free speech issue rather than an ideological one.
• Tyrus on Restraint and Higher Standards:
  • Admired the avoidance of calls for violence and the rejection of retribution: “No one's calling for revenge, no one's calling for more heads to roll…That was for them, their family…” (08:42)
  • Suggested anyone, religious or not, could take inspiration from the Kirk family’s conduct.

3. Kayleigh McEnany’s Personal Perspective

Segment Start: 10:10

• As a young mother, Kayleigh identified personally with Erica Kirk.
• Recounted Erica’s account of receiving the news and her faith:
  • Quote (Kayleigh McEnany, 10:29): “She knew the moment that bullet hit him, when he closed his eyes, the next thing he saw was Jesus Christ.”
  • Called September 10 (the day Kirk was killed) “as cataclysmic as November 5th, the day Donald Trump was elected, if not more so.”
  • Predicted a lasting spiritual impact: “…this is a spiritual reawakening happening in the country. …I think she has changed a generation and she'll continue to do so.” (12:28)

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4. Jimmy Kimmel’s Controversy and Congressional Rancor

Segment Start: 13:08

• Jimmy Kimmel Returns:
  • Kimmel returns to air after being previously pulled, allegedly for falsely claiming the suspected Kirk assassin was a “MAGA” supporter.
  • Jesse and Tyrus debated whether Kimmel’s removal was a genuine disciplinary action or a calculated ratings ploy.
    • Quote (Jesse Watters, 14:56): “You can't act like Maddow when you're being paid to be Johnny Carson.”
    • Quote (Tyrus, 16:15): “For what would you rather be canceled for, for sucking at your job or the mean president took your job away?”
  • Harold Ford Jr. expressed relief that the government didn’t ultimately dictate Kimmel’s status, calling it a win for free speech.
    • Quote (Harold Ford Jr., 19:55): “The reason the guy at our network… is number one is because people watch him… Markets decide if people should be on air.”
• Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett:
  • Criticized Democratic colleagues for not opposing a resolution to honor Kirk, injected race:
    • Quoted as saying the “rhetoric that Charlie Kirk continuously put out there… specifically targeted people of color.” (13:08)
  • The hosts countered, with Dana and Tyrus defending Kirk’s record and influence – especially citing black conservatives at Turning Point USA.

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5. Gavin Newsom’s ICE Agent Mask Ban

Segment Start: 23:24

• Newsom’s “Messaging Bill”:
  • California Gov. Gavin Newsom signs a bill banning law enforcement and ICE from wearing masks, comparing ICE to “secret police.”
  • Kayleigh argues the bill endangers ICE’s safety, especially given documented doxxing and threats: “They have to protect their faces to cover themselves. And it's shameful for Governor Newsom to put them at risk.” (24:35)
  • Harold Ford Jr. and Dana doubt Newsom’s legal authority to implement this for federal agents and describe the move as ineffective, empty posturing: “It's a messaging bill. There's no authority to it. There's no power to it.” (27:32)
  • Tyrus: “He’s just posturing, and he has no original… Here’s a couple ideas I have that I think would work, but that's not it. Instead, it's that ridiculous ratcheting up…” (28:31)

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6. Kamala Harris Memoir and Democratic Divisions

Segment Start: 30:40

• Overview:
  • Kamala Harris releases a new memoir that airs grievances from the 2024 Democratic campaign.
  • David Axelrod’s critique: “If there's a political strategy here, it's a bad one. There is an awful lot of grievances and finger pointing that really doesn't serve a political agenda.” (30:40)
• Book’s Reception:
  • Tyrus and others see it as a display of poor leadership, focusing on blame instead of self-reflection or party unity: “The biggest thing when you're a leader is you own the loss.” (31:28)
  • Jesse Watters lampoons the book as a “gossip column/cash grab/yolo.”
  • Dana Perino: “You win in politics by adding friends. And she's like, basically subtracting them. This book is like the whole vice presidency. It has no direction.” (34:33)
  • Kayleigh notes that Harris criticizes nearly all her Democratic peers, characterizing the book as defensive and fear-driven.
    • “She was in constant fear of being upstaged... this woman is in constant fear of being upstaged.”
• Future Prospects:
  • Mixed predictions on whether Harris will run again; most agree she’s damaged her standing.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Erica Kirk Forgiving the Assassin (01:57):
  “I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do.”
• President Trump on Forgiveness (02:42):
  “He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them.”
• Jesse Watters on National Mood (03:37):
  “In the last week I've talked more about Jesus Christ than I ever have in my entire public life.”
• Harold Ford Jr. on Historical Parallels (06:48):
  “We were reminded of terrible moments in our nation's history where those… forgave those who have caused harm.”
• Tyrus on the Higher Bar Set by Kirk’s Family (08:42):
  “The message from his family has set the bar at such a high level to where… she is taking a bold step, a tough step.”
• Kayleigh’s Reflection on the Memorial (10:29):
  “…she incurred tragedy at the deepest possible level and she chose to turn it into triumph… this is a spiritual reawakening happening in the country.”
• Jesse Watters Criticizes Kimmel’s Return (14:56):
  “You can't act like Maddow when you're being paid to be Johnny Carson.”
• Dana on ICE Mask Law (27:32):
  “It's a messaging bill. There's no authority to it. There's no power to it.”
• Dana on Kamala Harris’ Book (34:33):
  “You win in politics by adding friends. And she's like, basically subtracting them. This book is like the whole vice presidency. It has no direction.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Start Time | |---------------------------------------------------|------------| | Memorial for Charlie Kirk | 00:02 | | Erica Kirk forgives assassin | 01:57 | | President Trump’s tribute to Kirk | 02:42 | | Jesse Watters’ reflection from the memorial | 03:37 | | Panel reacts—Ford Jr., Tyrus, Kayleigh | 06:42 | | Jimmy Kimmel’s controversy, Congress debate | 13:08 | | Gavin Newsom’s ICE mask ban | 23:24 | | Kamala Harris memoir, Democratic infighting | 30:40 | | “One More Thing” – lighter news, shoutouts | 40:57 |

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Tone & Flow

The episode maintains a serious, respectful tone during the memorial coverage and faith discussions, reflecting the gravity of Kirk’s assassination. The tone becomes more pointed, irreverent, and satirical as the hosts transition to media criticism, California policy, and Democratic party dynamics. Throughout, the conversation blends personal anecdotes, ideological debates, and the familiar banter characteristic of The Five.

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Conclusion

This episode reflects on the legacy and national impact of Charlie Kirk’s life and death, highlighting themes of forgiveness, faith, and the ongoing culture wars. The hosts tie current events and controversies to the broader struggle over American values and political divisions — offering both solemn remembrance and sharp-edged conservative commentary.

Transcript

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[B]

After Charlie's assassination, we didn't see violence.

[A]

We didn't see rioting, we didn't see revolution. Instead, we saw what my husband always prayed. That young man, I forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do.

[B]

The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel.

[C]

Is love and always love.

[A]

And here's President Trump sharing his remembrance of Charlie Kirk.

[C]

Our country was robbed of one of the brightest lights of our times. A giant of his generation and above all a devoted husband, father, son, Christian and patriot. Our greatest evangelist for American liberty became immortal. He's a martyr now for American freedom. He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them.

[D]

I'm sorry.

[C]

I am sorry, Erica. But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right.

[A]

It was a remarkable day. I watched everything from where I was. But Jesse, you were there and saw had an up close and personal experience.

[C]

Charlie dreamed of yesterday. 100,000 people. It was broadcast on all three networks, all cables, throughout the entire world, talking about faith, family, America first, the President, the Cabinet. It was the perfect Charlie Kirk turning point event. And I know he was looking down and he was happy. Erica said something that stuck with me. She said, one time Charlie prayed and asked God, send me. And she said, you don't understand how powerful that is to ask God to do that, because God did. God, in his divine way, used Charlie. And I don't think we're capable of fully understanding why or how, but we're starting to figure it out. And he was a missionary, and it reminded everybody that Christianity really is the bedrock of Western civilization. And in a way, Charlie was the bedrock of this administration. And all the people there wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for Charlie Kirk. It made everybody, including myself and J.D. vance, come out and say, I rarely talk about my Christian faith publicly, and in the last week I've talked more about Jesus Christ than I ever have in my entire public life. I feel that way. The rest of the country, I know, feels that way. And that's a beautiful thing, listening to the stories of everybody, the speaker lineup, talk about how he would wake up at 5am and work till 11 o', clock, how he would sleep on people's couches, how he didn't take a salary for the first five years, how he would just see somebody struggling and then pray for them. That's really who Charlie was. And I know that the American people are kind of struggling with how to understand this. And Donald Trump is struggling himself. You have Erica come out and you say, I forgive the person that killed my husband. I could never do that. I know many people in this country could not, after a week say that, after years say that. And that's great because she is a woman of God and that is incredibly humble to do. Donald Trump is just like the rest of us, though. After what they've done to him, after what they did to Charlie, he doesn't want to forgive. He actually does hate the people that hate him. And that's okay, too. He's not perfect. He's going to say it how it is. He's an authentic guy. He's not going to pretend to be a fake Christian. And there's a part of the country that says, we have to forgive these people. And there's another part of the country that says no, and that's where we are as a country, and that's okay. And we'll grow as a country, both factions together and try to heal together.

[A]

Harold Ford Jr. I haven't had a chance to see you today, but welcome back around the table.

[E]

Good to be back.

[D]

Good to see you.

[E]

Good to be with everybody. Sunday was a moving day. I would agree with you, Jesse. It was inspiring on a lot of levels to watch a young mom, a young wife, a young woman who is now in charge and head of the organization that her husband started, an organization she interviewed at because she believed so firmly in the mission practice her Christianity at the highest of levels. The two things the Bible instructs us to do, ask us to do, implores us to do, hopes we're able to do as Christians, is to love and forgive. Her words had to not only be painful to utter, but it was a journey she had to obviously go through to get there. We were reminded of terrible moments in our nation's history where those who have forgiven those who have forgiven those who have caused harm to them and their families are reminded of the Emanuel AME Church 10 years ago where those loved ones and family members said they forgave that young man who came into a prayer group and killed their relatives. He was a transformative figure. Just as I said, he and I did not agree on everything. But I was surprised that some of my friends in the Democratic Party in the House could not find a way to vote in favor of the resolution. The resolution, in my mind, whether you agreed with Charlie or not, that's not what it was about. It was about whether or not you believed that speech indeed was free and that speech should be protected and that people shouldn't be assassinated or killed or harmed or had violent acts imposed against them because of their views or because you disagree with their views. This was an enormous outpouring for this young man and for his family. And I wish his wife and his kids nothing but the very best as they continue to not only celebrate his life, but to chart their own course.

[A]

I'm just going to turn to you, Tyrus, for anything you want to say, but one thing that was repeated throughout everybody's remarks was that this movement lives on. And it seems to me it will grow.

[D]

Yeah, I would imagine it will grow. But I think when you look at the climate, right, when you see there's so many people are willing to go on social media and take hot shots and say horrible things, the message from his family has set the bar at such a high level to where you're not seeing no one's calling for revenge, no one's calling for more heads to roll. They're like to be that Strong to say, I forgive you. That wasn't for him. That wasn't for that bastard assassin. That was for them, their family, the people who were there. She is taking a bold step, a tough step. That Jesse's right. A lot of us couldn't say that. But that also is the same thing as saying, remember it's peaceful, remember to do the right thing. Don't attack people, don't use this as your war cry. As we see on the other side, they're not able to do that right now. At least individuals who claim to be in the Democratic Party use the hate words and violence for anything that's wrong to them. I think that was the most powerful thing. Whether what your religious affiliation is or not. You can. You can stand by that. You can be like, I need to be like that and I need to respond in kind to that. If they're not doing. No one in there was chanting for anything horrible. Nobody wanted to see war or a civil war or we need retribution. It was all about love and honoring people and just being better to each other. And that message works for everyone, whether you go to church or you don't. That's the message that stuck with me.

[A]

Kayleigh, I thought you and Lawrence Jones did an incredible job yesterday. I appreciated that you guided me through the whole afternoon. And I wonder now that you've had a little bit of time to process that experience, being a young mother yourself of a newborn baby and knowing. Erica, what you think now.

[B]

Yeah. Well, thank you, Dana. You know, I think back to this whole 12, 13 day period, and I think about September 9th. Erica said that Charlie couldn't sleep. She said he was so excited for this college tour. She said it was like an Olympic style event for him. He would have white boards and he would diagram and plan, you know, different thought patterns of how it could go with. And he was ready and he woke up and he said it was going to be a great day. And she was able to text him, I love you. And he went off to do his job, to engage in civil discourse. And she recounts in the New York Times about being on the plane, going to pick up her husband's body and looking out and seeing the clouds and seeing the mountains and thinking this was the last thing Charlie saw. And then when she told the doctor, yes, I do want to see his body, she said he had a half smile on his face. And she knew the moment that bullet hit him, when he closed his eyes, the next thing he saw was Jesus Christ. And I think about this incredible woman. You're looking at. And I think she incurred tragedy at the deepest possible level and she chose to turn it into triumph. And because of Erica Kirk and the courage she had to say I forgive you and to say thy will be done. And to say to the New York Times, God plans is his plan is greater than my own. I'm a strong believer. This was God's plan for her to have that courage. I think September 10th, the day Charlie was killed, was as cataclysmic as November 5th, the day Donald Trump was elected, if not more so. Donald Trump himself said this isn't just a political moment. This is a spiritual reawakening happening in the country. I think the fruits of what this young woman did in the Kirk family and giving us these four hours to come to know Christ deeper, it's going to live on beyond a presidency, beyond an election. I think she has changed a generation and she'll continue to do so. The New York Post, you hold it up. I forgive you. On the COVID of the New York Post, the secretary of state standing on a stage giving a gospel message and then talking about the second coming of Christ, the vice president, the president. This is going to echo for a generation and what a legacy Charlie Kirk has left.

[A]

All right, thank you, everyone. Up next, Jimmy Kimmel. Believe it or not, he's set to return to air after making false comments about the suspected killer of Charlie Kirk.

[C]

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[C]

Look, again, I think this comes back to where we started, which was a lot of the distortion that's out there. I mean, Jimmy Kimmel is in the situation that he's in because of his ratings, not because of anything that's happened.

[D]

At the federal government level.

[B]

Jesse, Jimmy's back.

[C]

Well, he shouldn't have been in that position anyway. You can't act like Maddow when you're being paid to be Johnny Carson. This guy is lying about crimes. He's framing MAGA as assassins. He's supposed to be interviewing celebrities about their movies and telling jokes and dropping televisions out of the second floor window. They're not paying him to do this. He could do this on cable. But this is a late night talk show. You're supposed to be funny and make jokes and then everybody goes to bed. I understand why he is coming back. He will probably read something that the lawyers wrote for him and act trite for a second. Some of us have been there. And then he will carry on and be the exact same Jimmy Kimmel that we're used to. But how much longer are we going to get Jimmy Kimmel? His deal's up in January. Is Disney going to put up with this guy? He's in second place. He's a headache. He's losing cash. It's a dying format, late night. I just don't see him going on that much longer. And that's fine.

[B]

You know what, Tyrus? I mean, this isn't going to change the fact that his ratings were plummeting. We've put those up on the screen before. I'm beginning to wonder, I mean, sinister conspiracy theory here. Like, was this all a ratings ploy to get everyone to watch him again?

[D]

No, I think this is great. For what would you rather be canceled for, for sucking at your job or the mean president took your job away? So for them, he's getting to come back. So you got to take the President out of it now because now he's back. So there should be a huge rating spike. Everyone should be excited. And Jesse, you're wrong. You typically finishes third. Then it's Colbert.

[C]

Oh, I wasn't shouting, Greg.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I'm talking networks. Networks, Right.

[D]

Okay. To be fair, he's not an network. I just want to say, to be.

[C]

Fair, thanks to you.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. Anchor if there ever was one. But that's not, it's not about me right now. But the point is, like, of course he's not going to change because he didn't have a reason to change. His whole thing was he got. He had. The best thing for him was to stay gone because he would have been able to say for the rest of his days that the evil Trump MAGA got me. And then all the. And all his pundits and would come out and say, free speech is being taken away. And now like, nope, here's your ball back. You got a slap on the wrist act. Right. So then the next time he gets canceled, and it probably will be before January is going to be about the ratings and you won't be able to blame the president. I'm glad this happened. You won't be able to be able to blame the fcc. You'll be able to blame Jimmy Kimmel for not being funny.

[B]

Dana, you know, returning to Jasmine Crockett for a moment, because we can't let that go unaddressed. She said, only two Caucasians voted against this resolution. No one should have voted against this resolution. And I have here the text of it condemning the assassin, commending law enforcement, extending condolences. I mean, Mike Johnson mentioned he intentionally kept this tight so that everyone could agree and come together, but she could not.

[A]

Well, I mean, we could go through and count how many people on the left would vote to censure Ilhan Omar. I mean, if we want, we can keep score. We can do that. I would counter her argument with this. Obviously, I am not a black man. But this morning on America's Newsroom, I interviewed two young men. One works as a TP Talking Points USA Talking Point.

[D]

That was a good interview. I saw it.

[A]

Turning Point USA contributor and the other is at Campus Reform, both young black men who said that Turning Point USA gave them an opportunity to do what they wanted to do on campus. But it was Charlie who gave them the inspiration and the confidence to do it. So talking golly, what's wrong with me? I am back from vacation. Turning Point said, okay, here's the venue. Here's the organizational skills. Here's what you need to know in order to put on an event. But it was Charlie himself who said, I'll show you the way and how to articulate with ideas. And they took it very, very seriously. So I think that they, those two young black men I interviewed today who are heartbroken that they would take a lot of issue with what she had to say.

[D]

Well, I think you get. I'm sorry real quick, the reason why you keep saying talking points, because that's all she was doing was making talking points. And what bothers me about the media, they never say how so? Or examples of. Because that's pretty strong statement to make about somebody. But they never seem to have an actual factual situation of Charlie saying any of these things. They'll take assert here a thing here, he'll call it out. He keeps it real. And sometimes keeping it real isn't comfortable.

[A]

It's like right before I left when the New York Times took that something that he said and that he was quoting someone else, but the New York Times just clipped it, made it look like he was anti Semitic.

[B]

It was crazy.

[A]

And then they had to correct it. But of course, the correction is this big. The headline was this big.

[B]

Gets no attention. Yeah. You know, Harold, the vote to condemn the Minnesota killings of the Democratic local lawmakers was 424 to 0. Every Republican voted to condemn that. Why could 55% of the Democratic caucus not vote to condemn the assassination of Charlie Kirk?

[E]

I don't know. They should have voted that way. I said in the outset, I'm surprised for you lay out a great example of the way. I've read the. You read the resolution. You laid out the example of the Minnesota lawmakers. This was an assassination because the guy was speaking his mind and speaking his political views. There's no place for that in our society. There's no place for that in America. There's no place for that in our political tradition. And I just hope that we never, ever have to have another vote like this in the Congress. But if there is, I hope that people can rise above whatever the differences may be. I didn't agree with Charlie on a lot of things. There were things that he said that I found disagreeable. But what I found most remarkable about him is that he was willing to debate openly, freely, and his real objective was to try to persuade you that he was right. Just one thing on Jimmy Kimmel. I am happy that he's back, not because I agree with everything he says or even watch his show or even find him funny. What I don't like is when government says that you can't have someone on air because we don't like it. That's what happens in state run controlled media. That's what happens in countries that have that, including China, in Russia, in North Korea, the Biden administration markets decide if people should be on air. The reason the guy at our network mypal is number one is because people watch him and if the network wants to lose money, they have every right to do that. What I don't and will never agree with, and I'm glad to be joined by Ted Cruz and Rand Paul on this, is for the FCC commissioner and chair, whomever it might work for, saying we can do this the easy way or the hard way. So I'm glad that he's back because it's a win for free speech. I don't agree with everything he says. I don't even find his jokes altogether to be that funny a lot of the time. But that shouldn't be for the government or the President or any regulator.

[B]

The government didn't decide it because he's back tomorrow. So quite clearly the government didn't force this.

[E]

Kaylee when the President of the United States who you work for on Air Force One said that they're 90, you were one, I think when he said they're 97% against me and we should look at their licenses. When the President of the United States says that, whether he meant it or not, that was wrong. So for the re, you have your reasons. I'm glad he's back on. Not because I think he's funny or because I think he deserves a slot. Because I believe that government intrusion and coercion played a role in him being taken off.

[B]

We can just well ABC chose to bring back their low rating nighttime host so clearly they had the freedom to do that. Well, up next, it's a real mask off moment for the Democrats. Gavin Newsom putting a target on ICE agents by banning masks.

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[C]

Gracie Gavin acting like a tough guy. California Governor Gavin Newsom signing a bill banning law enforcement and ICE from wearing masks and taunting those agents. This is a disgrace. This is an outrage.

[E]

What we have allowed to happen in this country.

[C]

ICE unmasked. What are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? This is not about the pronoun police.

[E]

This is about the secret police. We're not North Korea, Mr. President. We're not the Soviet Union. This is the United States of America.

[C]

But Newsom 28 is just getting started. Do you buy this? This is chilling. This is serious. I walked into a restaurant the other day.

[E]

Entire staff came out, started hugging me and crying.

[C]

The hell is that?

[E]

The United States of America.

[C]

What he's doing to our diverse communities, what he's doing the fabric of our society. We reached out for comment, but Governor Newsom's office gave no details on where or when this hugging event happened. Do you believe the governor, that all of the illegal alien dishwashers and chefs ran out of the restaurant and hugged.

[B]

And cried in the same governor who went to the fancy restaurant during COVID when no one else could? No, I don't believe him. This is all posturing. He thinks this is what the party wants, and it is what the Democratic Party wants. It's not what the general public wants. But he's going to make his enemy his opposition. ICE agents. These ICE agents, they are the most true traumatized federal worker for all the. Oh, the traumatized federal worker. The ICE agent is the most traumatized, if you think about it. First they were told, we got to abolish your entire industry. We got to abolish ice. Then they were doxed. They've been doxed. Then they were, we were told, border patrol. You know, their colleagues there are whipping people on the southern border. That turned out to be a hoax. That was completely false. And now they can't even cover their faces. And that's thanks to Gavin Newsom. They have to identify themselves. They have to wear ICE clothing. But you know why they need to cover their faces? Because there were people in L. A putting up posters with their faces that said, careful with these faces. They kidnap people with their names and their numbers, okay? They have to protect their faces to cover themselves. And it's shameful for Governor Newsom to put them at risk.

[C]

Harold, do you believe that the ICE agents have a right to protect their identity?

[E]

I think they have a right to protect themselves. I think we are in an extraordinary moment where, to Kaylee's point, a lot of these ICE agents are fearing for their lives and fearing for their family's lives. It's important to put in context the ICE budget as we sit here today is bigger than the Budget for the French military. Our ICE budget is the largest French military. Well, it's just. I'm just putting some context. Okay, that's funny. And it was meant to be a little funny, but I don't have any. I don't have any issue with them protecting their faces since there is a public safety matter they're dealing with. It's unclear to me if Governor Newsom can pass a law that can be executed as relates to federal law enforcement. I believe he can do it for state law enforcement, but federal law enforcement, we'll have to see how the courts. How the courts do this. But I am, you know, I understand where he's coming from. I will say that I was with a senator this morning for breakfast here in New York, a US Senator, and there were three or four others that gathered with us for breakfast, and one of them is in business here in New York. And he was explaining he's a Trump supporter, but was explaining how he does have many of his employees who have concerns about the hierarchy of deportations.

[D]

Many of all of them are legal.

[E]

But they have family members in and around New York who may not be legal, who they're concerned about. So I understand the fear going, the fear rippling through and reverberating through, but I think the governor is misplaced here. I don't think there's anything wrong with ICE agents whose lives are being threatened and their families are being threatened, threaten to protect themselves. Furthermore, I'm not even sure he has the authority to do this.

[C]

Okay, how did Ted Cruz like his ex? It wasn't Ted Cruz. Not Senator Cruz rambled. I hear, though, politically, Dana, is this one of those things where Gavin Newsom does this and the left loves it, and then if he ever gets to the general, he just gets hammered?

[A]

Okay, so do you remember? Yes. So what that event was was like a fake bill signing? Yeah, it's a messaging bill. There's no authority to it. There's no power to it. And one of the things that also happened last week is Governor Newsom signed a bill to expand oil drilling in his state that didn't go down so well with the left. So you got to throw the left a little bone. And the bone is a bill that has no teeth, in which also he went on this secret police rant. He said he compared ICE to the secret police, North Korea, Nazis, all the exact same things that the lunatics on that Discord chat were talking about with the assassin of Charlie Kerr. I mean, to me, I think that he's clearly has Some people working for him that have decided this is the rhetoric you should use. I don't think it's authentic to him. It doesn't seem like him. And I would be surprised if it doesn't blow up in his face come 28.

[C]

Cyrus.

[D]

He's like Governor Behan, you know, he's like sheriff Behan from the movie tombstone when he tried to arrest Whitenham. You just look at. You're not arresting us today. He's not doing anything. He just says things. I feel terrible for the poor people that actually have to be paid to listen to him speak. Because the crowds aren't overflowing. We're not seeing giant rallies for Newsom. You know, we're not. We're not seeing these. When you hear the clap, it's like one person. The staff claps, like. And I was like, oh. Oh, yeah. He says something good. He's just posturing, and he has no original. He could get so much ground if he just would man up and call strikes when there's strikes. Hey, this is wrong. I don't want a part of this. I disagree on philosophy. I disagree on policy. Here. Here's a couple ideas I have that I think would work, but that's not it. Instead, it's that ridiculous ratcheting up these. These words that the bottom of our society take up his calls as martyrdom. He's pathetic. I'm gonna make a law and like, how dare you try to Clint Eastwood us the secret police. You're just a wash. You know what? Slicked hair went out, what, 20 years ago. Try a Jheri curl, bro. Try something else. Step out your box. But you're not arresting anyone today. Beat him.

[C]

Jheri curl. I like that idea. Up next, Kamala is digging up the skeletons in the democratic party. It's not my time. I'm not going.

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Classic Kamalamala's new book where she attacks just about everybody but herself. Weird. For her lost ruffling feathers among the Democratic elite who wish she'd just go away. Obama's old strategist David Axelrod saying, quote, if there's a political strategy here, it's a bad one. There is an awful lot of grievances and finger pointing that really doesn't serve a political agenda. Kamala also claimed that President Trump praised her in private, but 47 doesn't remember it quite that way.

[C]

She says that on the phone, you called her a tough, smart customer.

[D]

Did that happen?

[C]

Not that I know of. But I was nice to her. I thought Kamala would have done a better job than she did in terms of running because we really won by a lot. I'm basically a nice person. People just don't know that.

[D]

Harold, I'll go to you first. This, to me, shows why she was unfit to be a leader. Because the biggest thing when you're a leader is you accept you own the loss. You take responsibilities like, I could have done this better. And it passes down and people build from it. How do you build from this? There was one excerpt where she said that Biden basically heckled her before she went out on her debate, saying that, you know, don't say anything bad about me or you're going to lose money. Which I don't believe that he was on the phone that late with her.

[E]

But I will say this. President Trump is a nice guy.

[D]

He's.

[E]

I'm proud to call him a friend. We don't agree with everything, but he is a nice guy. Two, I think you win in politics by looking forward. You don't get rewarded looking backwards unless you are trying to put in context how you're going to move forward. I don't understand the exercise of going through each of the vice presidential hopefuls and stating what you thought might have been strengths or weaknesses of theirs. These are people that are the future of the party, whether you're going to compete against them or not. To your point, Tyrus, I would have thought if you are going to look back, you look back and say, here are the things that we could have done better. Here are the things I wish I would have thought about differently. Because if I think about this going forward, this is what I want to do. You don't win in politics. Never win in politics by doing what the vice president's doing here. Whoever advised her to write the book this way clearly did not envision her running for political office again in the future.

[D]

It was a plot, Jesse. Maybe if they changed the name of the book this Would make more sense if it's nothing comes to mind. You think that would be better? A better book? Better than nothing, based off the information Harold hates. He's laughing, but I'll take it in 107 days.

[C]

So there's a theory that she has a strategy behind the book. And the theory goes like this. She's basically attacking her rivals for the next nomination. Shapiro, Newsom, Pete. And she's distancing herself from Biden. Do I think that's a strategy? No, I think this is a gossip column slash cash grab/yolo. Let's drink for the rest of our lives with Dougie. But if you look at things the way Dana looks at it, like winning the news cycle. Trump's having dinner with the king. He's hugging widows. He's making autism announcements. He's going to the Ryder Cup. He's speaking at the un. The Democrats are literally shooting people and cheering and stabbing people, and they can't get out of their own way. I would just do what hitters do in baseball. Sometimes you're hitless, sometimes you're in a slump. Democrats are in a what? Nine month slump. You gotta do something different. If you're having a lot of sex, don't have any sex. If you wash your clothes after the game, don't wash anything. Wear the same clothes every day. You gotta start.

[D]

You gotta break the slump.

[C]

You gotta break the slump. You gotta be superstitious at this point because everything else hasn't worked.

[D]

Yes, Dana. What if we changed another title? The name of the book, like, Unburdened by what Has Been.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Well, she's about to be. Because she's never gonna run again is my opinion.

[D]

You think so?

[A]

I don't think she's gonna run again. And as she does, I don't think it'll be successful because you win in politics by adding friends. And she's like, basically subtracting them. This book is like the whole vice presidency. It has no direction. It's rudderless, it's idealist. But she's ready to blame everyone else. So, for example, are you upset that she picked Tim Walls? Well, blame America for not being ready for a gay mayor. Pete. That's why I think. Are you upset? I wasn't ready for her, that, you know, that. She did the Dr. Mike podcast. She blames the staff, calls them idiots, that they didn't prep her well enough. She's just disappointed in the debate performance. Well, Biden called and upset her. She was worried that Mark Kelly, the senator from Arizona, would Be vulnerable for his record as a veteran that he might get Swift voted. So she literally picked the guy who lied about his military record instead. Like, I think that 107 days is not a great title either, but I think if she had any more time, the loss would have been even greater. She needed less time than 107 days, Kaylee.

[D]

All right, let's change the book title again to how to Lose a billion dollars in 107 days. That will work. Is there anything in this book, do you think that she'll be able to use to rally? Because I just feel like she's just making a bunch of minds for her own feet to step on. Like, she's not doing anything to help herself in this book.

[B]

Well, I actually think she may run. I think she might be delusional enough.

[D]

Oh, she's going to run.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Only two we need to.

[D]

No, no, no.

[B]

Here at Fox, right?

[D]

Yeah. She got a billion dollars before. She's thinking she can at least get half of that again.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, that's the one problem is the money for her. But look, she takes. She has criticisms of Joe Biden, Gavin Newsom, J.B. pritzker, Pete Buttigieg, Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, and Mark Kelly. And for a campaign characterized by joy. That's a whole lot of anger.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

Geared towards a whole lot of people. And the theme that I'm taking away is that she was in constant fear of being upstaged with Josh Shapiro. She says he mused that he would want to be in the room for every decision. An unrealistic expectation. A vice president is not a co president, so he was too ambitious. So you got to put him over here. And then she goes to Pete Buttigieg and she says, to your point, you know he was gay. If he would have been a straight man, perhaps I would have picked him. Paraphrasing there. Well, I think the real problem with Pete is you can go back to the beginning of the Biden White House. There's a political article about how in the West Wing, they were openly talking about how Pete Buttigieg should be the person in 24, not Kamala Harris. And the last line says it frustrated some staffers of color who saw it as disrespectful to Kamala Harris. She couldn't pick Pete because she would have been upstaged. This woman is in constant fear of being upstaged. And my favorite anecdote is the cupcakes that came that said Madam President and her social secretary had to wipe it off. And Then hand out the cupcakes on election night.

[A]

But can I say something? Because you just pointed out that she said that Shapiro said he wanted to be in the room. She literally said the same thing.

[D]

Yeah, she was always in the wrong room.

[B]

That's a great point. She did say that. Yeah.

[E]

The title of the book also should have been thank you. Because we, as a party, we didn't hold a primary. We gave the vice president this nomination, and if I'm ever blessed for someone to give me the nomination. 175.

[D]

I could cut you a check for a billion dollars to run right now. Harold. I would cut that check, and I didn't win.

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I wouldn't blame anybody. I'd win, but I wouldn't bl anybody.

[B]

Thank you.

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Welcome back. Forget friendship bracelets. Today's besties, guess what are opening shared bank accounts for group trips.

[D]

Why?

[E]

It's easier to pay for stuff like flights, hotels, meals, clothes, whatever. You see yourself doing this, Kaylee, with your other colleagues on Outnumbered.

[B]

Under no circumstance. No, but what I think is smart about this is then you don't have to rely on Venmo. You know, if, like, everyone's supposed to pay for a group trip, you don't want to be the person. Hey, you haven't been mode me yet. Like, this is accountability. It's all in there. It's open. But no Emily Harris. Sorry, no big accounts.

[E]

Tyrus, would you do this with your pals around?

[D]

Hell no. Because I always have one pal that never pays for anything. We all have him. Every time we go out to dinner, he's always the guy. Oh, I left my wallet in my other jacket. No. Absolutely no. No. You get to a point in your life, in no circumstance ever do you get a shared bank account with anyone.

[E]

Even for a discreet trip or something.

[D]

Discreet nothing. Because there's always somebody. Everyone has a card. What if one of Your buddies got a gambling problem. What if he forgot an anniversary? Oh. All I had was the team card, so I bought a thousand roses for it because I need to make up for not being there. You guys understand, right? It's my marriage, and we're like, yo, where's our money for chess club, bro? Like, no. Absolutely not. No.

[E]

Ep, you and Hemmer, when you guys travel, do you have a. I just.

[A]

Charged everything to his account. So at first I thought. I didn't realize that this was just for trips when I saw the headline and I was like, well, that is very weird. Then I sort of get this. But it comes back to everything, you know, in life you learned in kindergarten. Group work is difficult because there's always either somebody not paying or somebody who's having 14 margaritas and you had one, and should you pay for those?

[B]

Yes.

[E]

What do you think about this shared bank account idea?

[C]

I mean, I know husbands and wives that don't even have a shared bank account. I'm with Tyrus. If you go out with a shared bank account and everybody comes back from the bar and everybody goes to sleep, two fools are going to the strip club with the card and draining it.

[D]

Yes.

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And the next time you wake up in the morning and you can't even buy breakfast. Thanks, Tony.

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It's time now for one more thing. It is September 22nd, and that means it is Percy's birthday. He is four years old. Look at that young man. Angie sent him the cake, so. And you know he loves the ball. He's a good boy. We love birthday. Percy podcast Today with Kevin McCarthy Perino on politics. We really actually. We got into a little argument. I will say.

[D]

How's he recovering?

[A]

I think you get the memo. All right, Jesse.

[C]

He's doing better than Peter, probably. So this guy's filling up his car, you know, trying to just go about his day, walking around the car.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Skin of his teeth. Wow, he lived. I don't know about the driver. Definitely not a woman tonight. Jesse Waters, primetime. Benny Johnson, Andrew Klovett, Dana Lasch and Dr. J. Dr. Jatari. Dr. J, Dr. J. Talking about autism.

[E]

Harold, meet Joel Westbrook. This young man is making history. He is the first. He's an inspiring teen. He's the first male wheelchair athlete to join the US Para Karate team. He'll be representing our country later this year in Cairo. Congrats to you, young fella. When he's not training, he's taking online classes, hoping to become a child specialist to help children in hospitals. So congrats to this young man.

[A]

Congrats to that team, Cyrus.

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All right, well, check out this Major League baseball players. Two of the craziest catches ever. I know. Mets fans are hurting. Oh, what a grab off the foot. He proved that hacky sack does matter. Put that hacky sack down. You'll never do anything with.

[C]

How about that, Mom?

[D]

It's in the glove.

[C]

Juggled it.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

All right, Kaylee.

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Impressive. Well, I bring some. Sorry, there was a second. Gutfeld's on tonight with Greg and Gutfeld's on News from Florida. This is a very large alligator that a woman found lounging on her front porch. Deputies responded quickly, but the gator was not ready to go quietly as it attempted the death roll.

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