“Neutralize Threats”

Summary

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The Five: “Neutralize Threats”

Date: March 18, 2026
Panel: Dana Perino, Kennedy, Harold Ford Jr., Lawrence Jones, Greg Gutfeld

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on America's latest military actions against Iran and the heated debates that ensued on Capitol Hill regarding the intelligence behind "Operation Epic Fury." The hosts break down the political fallout from intense Congressional hearings, the implications for global oil markets and NATO, mounting criticism of both parties’ responses, and segue into other political developments including the DHS shutdown and culture war flashpoints. The tone is lively, combative, and distinctly irreverent, packed with sharp exchanges and humor.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. CENTCOM Strikes & "Epic Fury" Hearings

[01:04–05:09]

• CENTCOM Footage & Operation Epic Fury:
  CENTCOM released video of U.S. actions targeting Iranian threats. Intelligence leaders Tulsi Gabbard (DNI), John Ratcliffe (CIA), and FBI’s Kash Patel testified on Capitol Hill, grilled over the rationale and intelligence for the strikes.

  • “Did you brief the President if he starts a war of choice...?” – Greg Gutfeld, [01:45]
  • “It is not the intelligence community's responsibility to determine what is and isn't an imminent threat.” – Harold Ford Jr./Kennedy, [02:25]

• NATO & Trump’s Truth Social Post:
  President Trump floated letting allied nations take over Strait of Hormuz security, suggesting the U.S. had done enough.

• Division Inside the GOP:
  Kennedy points out fractures between pro- and anti-war Republicans and expresses concern about a drawn-out conflict and its political impact.

  • “If you’re going to start an incursion there, you’re going to have to finish it... My worry is how long is as long as possible and what will it take for this president to finish what they have decided to start?” – Kennedy, [04:40]

• Will NATO Help?
  Harold Ford Jr. stresses the need for NATO assistance, explaining the global stakes regarding oil and critiquing Trump's isolationist stance.

  • “We need their help... the oil market is the global market.” [05:09]
    He draws parallels to the Iraq war intelligence failures, urging caution and transparency.
  • “These are legitimate questions... Is the threat as imminent as you thought the threat was?” [07:57]

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2. “Imminent Threat” Debate & Congressional Theater

[07:57–10:48]

• Support for Military vs. Intelligence Community:
  Dana Perino emphasizes that killing enemy leaders wouldn't be possible without intelligence, decries the new focus on whether threats are “imminent.”

  • “When did we start saying if it's imminent or not?... If you use that standard to judge, you’ll be dead.” – Dana Perino, [08:39]

• Partisanship & Trump Criticism:
  Greg Gutfeld blames Democrats for flip-flopping on Iran just because Trump is leading the effort.

  • “Every single decision it seems they make is based on their relationship to Trump... Forced to cheer on terrible things because Trump doesn't like them, or condemn good things because Trump likes them.” – Greg Gutfeld, [12:18]

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3. DHS Shutdown & TSA Impact

[16:35–20:34]

• Airport Chaos:
  The DHS shutdown is leading to long TSA lines and staff not getting paid. Dana Perino and others blame Democrats for not negotiating.

  • “You don't have our analysts at their desk right now. That's crazy talk.” – Dana Perino, [19:17]

• Suffering TSA Agents:
  Discussion of agents donating plasma and working side gigs to make ends meet.

  • “TSA agents, to make ends meet, are actually donating plasma... they're resigning and they're calling out because they cannot stomach going in on a Sunday morning at four in the morning to face lines of cranky people when they cannot even pay their bills.” – Kennedy, [21:11]

• Political Blame Game:
  Mixed blame between parties, but the consensus is frustration over Congress and the White House failing to resolve the shutdown, impacting everyday Americans.

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4. Illinois Politics & Project 2029

[24:57–30:59]

• Pritzker’s Power Move:
  JB Pritzker’s pick, Juliana Stratton, secures the Illinois Senate nomination, highlighting the influence of money in politics.

  • “He buys racists. He invests his money... he’s doing it a different way.” – Dana Perino, [27:41]

• Left-Wing Primary Losses:
  Young leftist Kat Abu Ghazala loses but vows to keep fighting, to the panel’s amusement.

• Centrism as a Winning Strategy:
  Harold Ford Jr. argues Dems are moving centrist for broader appeal but cautions against making prosecutions the party’s main selling point.

  • “I don’t believe that voters are going to go to the polls and vote for Democrats if ... the foremost thing they want to do is prosecute.” – Harold Ford Jr., [29:53]

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5. Kamala Harris Campaign, Polling, and Family Drama

[32:25–36:44]

• Jerry O’Connell’s Family Fallout:
  Actor shares how his family “became physical” after he criticized Kamala Harris, prompting discussion about the intensity of political emotions.

  • “Democrats need to accept she ran a lousy campaign. She’s not an unallowed person, but she ran a lousy campaign.” – Harold Ford Jr., [33:04]

• Suppressed Dissent & Gender Dynamics:
  Greg Gutfeld and Kennedy riff on why polling on Trump is unreliable, given the intense environment around expressing contrarian views.

  • “It’s not your belief that keeps you silent... it’s the spouse’s emotional investment, their Trump hate dwarfs your desire to say, Kamala sucks.” – Greg Gutfeld, [35:17]

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6. 90s Nostalgia & Generational Differences

[37:38–40:59]

• Gen Z Embraces the 90s:
  Discussion about Gen Z’s infatuation with 90s culture, music, and the romanticism of “simpler” pre-smartphone days.

  • “Young people seem to like older music... life before phones. How did you meet up? He’s actually doing something to woo her, rather than texting.” – Dana Perino, [38:24]

• Favorite Bands:
  Brief, lighthearted exchange about favorite 90s music—Counting Crows, Beastie Boys, Faith No More, New Edition, and Garth Brooks all get mentions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On CentCom’s anti-Iran operations:
  • “You’re going to have to finish it, because otherwise Iran will ... wait it out in order to ascend to power once again.” – Kennedy, [04:40]
• On U.S. global power:
  • “We are indeed the United States. ... But we need their help. Why? Because the oil market is the global market.” – Harold Ford Jr., [05:09]
• On “imminent threat” language:
  • “When did we start saying if it’s imminent or not? ... If you use that standard ... you’ll be dead.” – Dana Perino, [08:39]
• On partisanship and Trump:
  • “Every single decision ... is based on their relationship to Trump ... It’s guide by belief and not behavior.” – Greg Gutfeld, [12:18]
• On Kamala Harris’ campaign:
  • “She did not have a good command of the issues. ... Second worst face plant in modern presidential history.” – Kennedy, [34:20]
• On the workplace impact of the shutdown:
  • “They are now going on their fifth week of the shutout.” – Kennedy, [21:11]
• On Gen Z and the 90s:
  • “I’ve been waiting for this moment my entire adult life. The 90s were amazing.” – Kennedy, [37:54]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• CENTCOM/Iran & Capitol Hill hearings: [01:04–07:57]
• Debate on “imminent threats,” congressional criticism: [07:57–10:48]
• DHS shutdown, TSA chaos: [16:35–22:32]
• Illinois primary, Project 2029, political money: [24:57–31:13]
• Jerry O’Connell anecdote & Kamala Harris debate: [32:25–36:37]
• 1990s nostalgia and music roundtable: [37:38–40:59]

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Final Thoughts

This episode of The Five deftly weaves together breaking international news, domestic political infighting, and cultural commentary, all with the show’s signature humor and sharp-edged banter. The urgent national security debates are contrasted with lighter stories illustrating America’s deepening partisan and generational divides.

Listeners come away with a clearer sense of ongoing operations against Iran, the DHS shutdown’s real-world fallout, power moves in American politics, and even what makes the 90s so beloved now—all through the dynamic voices of The Five.

Transcript

[Dana Perino]

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[Kennedy]

Hello everyone. I'm dana perino along with kennedy, harold ford jr. Lawrence jones and greg gutfeld. It's five o' clock in new york city and this is the five. Year brand new video from CENTCOM showing U.S. forces neutralizing threats police posed by the Iranian regime. This as Epic Fury had its day on Capitol Hill with America's intel bosses answering for it. DNI Tulsi Gabbard, CIA Director John Ratcliffe and the FBI's Cash Patel facing off with lawmakers over the intelligence behind the operation. It got a little testy with the Democrats watch.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Did you brief the President if he starts a war of choice that the likely result would be that Iran would strike adjacent Gulf nations and close the Strait of Hormuth? I have not and won't divulge internal conversations. I can't get a word in edgewise. He won't answer the question and then he's taken a minute of my time.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You're both big boys. You can handle it yourself.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Did he know this was going to

[Harold Ford Jr.]

happen or did he just disregard it?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Was it the intelligence community's assessment that

[Kennedy]

nevertheless, despite this obliteration, there was a,

[Harold Ford Jr.]

quote, imminent nuclear threat posed by the Iranian regime.

[Kennedy]

Yes or no?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It is not the intelligence community's responsibility

[Kennedy]

to determine what is and is not an imminent threat? That is up. Here's the Some other big Epic Fury developments. Israel killed yet another top Iranian leader. This time it was the regime's intel chief and remember the bunker busters. Well, the US military just unleashed multiple £5,000 deep penetrator bombs on Iran Iranian missile sites all along the Strait of Hormuz. And speaking of that very important shipping lane, President Trump is posing a hypothetical to NATO allies posting on Truth Social. I wonder what would happen if we finish off what's left of the Iranian terror state and let the countries that use it. We don't be responsible for the so called strait. What would get some of our non responsive allies in gear and fast. So a lot of things moved forward on this today. Let me just turn over to you, Kennedy. I'm not sure where you want to land. I'll turn it over. Well, thank you very much. I will try and marry Lou Retton this. I think it's good to see our intelligence apparatus grilled on Capitol Hill. It was very interesting because they did take some incoming from both parties and there is a little bit of a fracture within the Republican Party. There are people who are very supportive of the president and you know, politically, we've talked about it on this show. They're worried about the midterm ramifications of a war that won't wrap up. And it's also the kind of thing and everyone who has studied Iran knows this. If you're going to start an incursion there, you're going to have to finish it because otherwise Iran will do what the Taliban did and just wait it out in order to ascend to power once again. Right now the Iranian regime is in what is called a rump regime, which is just essentially the remnants of the hardliners. They are hanging on fast and furious. But they have seen this coming. And for them it's not life and death in this world, it's the next one. And if they're going to kill tens of thousands of their own people, you better believe they're going to fight like hell to stay and hold on to power as long as possible. My worry is how long is as long as possible and what will it take for this president to face finish what they have decided to start? Harold, the NATO Secretary general, Mark Rudy, who has a good relationship with President Trump, I think we could say he said that they're starting to have these discussions about NATO helping out at least because as President Trump said, like that's it's not really where we use all of our shipping to go through. They do. And of course, as Caroline Levitt said this morning, we want the world to do well and we need some help here. Are they going to Come in.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We should first, it's good to be with everybody. We should be honest. One of the reasons that we want their help is that we need their help. I think the President, when he, when he goes off on these tangents at times and says we can do this all by ourselves, we need no one. We're the United States. We're the most powerful country in the world. We are indeed the United States. We are indeed the most powerful country in the world. And we have the most important and powerful military in the world. But we need their help. Why? Because the oil market is the global market. We've essentially taken 10 conservative number 10 million barrels, barrels of oil a day off the global markets. We use 100 million as a world, we use 20 million of it a day and the Chinese use between 10 and 12 million. So as much as we say that they use it and we don't use it, it's really a fiction. We are using it because we all take from this global market. Two, I was pleased to see the Democrats then give the military the credit. Many of us around the table, I include myself, and it's been saying this is not the time. Joy was on a few days ago, Joy Jones, and I agree with him. This is not the time to not be funding our military, to not be supportive of our military in every which way. Which is one of the reasons I think you have to open the Department of Homeland Security as quickly as you can and whatever blame comes my party's way or the Republicans way, let it fall. But that agency needs to be open. I thought the oversight questions asked by some of the committee members, particularly the Democrats, and I didn't see all the Republicans, I assume they asked some of these questions as well. And if you listen to Kennedy's answer, which I, you have to believe that there are some Republicans who have questions about this. The first is, you know, how imminent was the threat? We probably should ask that maybe a little bit later. But I do think that question is a legitimate question considering that Ms. Scabbard evidently omitted some of this from her remarks because she said she was rushing through her testimony. Two, do you believe, and I didn't hear Mr. Ratcliffe answer, do you believe we're going to have to put ground troops on the ground to recover the uranium if we get to a point where we, where regime change is indeed something we can look forward to? Finally, I was in Congress when we had intel come before saying that when you're old boss and we were in the Congress trying to decide should we give the president the authority to go into Iraq, and many of us decided to give him that authority. We learned later that perhaps, I think the president even learned later, maybe all the intel was not quite what we thought it was. So I understand where these people are coming from, Democrats and Republicans alike. And President Trump won four years, a few years ago and eight years back because he said he didn't want to get into these, These. These long, long wars. So these are legitimate questions. And, you know, again, I'm just. I'm happy that we're supporting our military, but I don't think anyone should be surprised, nor should not want to answer questions about how long is this going to last, you think? And is the threat as imminent as you thought the threat was? These are questions they should ask.

[Kennedy]

One of the things. I'll give you the floor in one second. I just wanted to mention I don't have it here, but over at CNN today, they showed the support for the president, at least on the Republican side, really super strong when it comes to the war.

[Dana Perino]

I mean, how can you not. We start the show off at 6am every morning, and we get a list of people that were our enemies, that are dead, that are dead, that have been threatening us for decades with no repercussions. I mean, look, I love my dear brother Harold, but you can't give the military credit for taking the shots without giving the intelligence community the credit for finding the people to target.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm giving them that credit. I'm just saying.

[Dana Perino]

I'm just saying. But they grilled these men and women today without first applauding what their agency has been doing, which is locate the targets, their every move. These people can't even go out for a stroll without being targeted. And so I think we're at a critical time right here. And when you talk about national security, when you talk about the battlefield, they could have been asking legitimate questions. Also, I hate the new terminology that everyone seems to be using, which is imminent threat. Okay, well, are we just gonna just let our enemies. Was it imminent when it was two assassination attempts from Iranians on the President of the United States life? Or when they threatened our former national security adviser, Nurse Deal, under protection, Secretary of State, number one state sponsor of terror. Like, when did we start saying if it's imminent or not? I'm sorry, if you're in law enforcement or in any other threat and you use that standard to judge, what is it? You'll be dead. And so I think when you finally got a president that's taken action on things now, if you look at the media, they will say that the world is on fire. I disagree with that. When you look at Cuba, when you look at Venezuela, when you look at Iran, you see liberation in play. Kamala Harris was supposed to deal with the root causes for why people are immigrating to America. You got a president that got rid of the root causes, which is the oppressive leaders right now. So, I mean, I just wish. I understand that is Congress and half of their job is theater, but when you have some of the most pressing issues going on in the world, you would think they would be asking serious questions.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't mean to interrupt you or Greg's point, but it was President Trump's own counterterrorism director that talked about the imminent. So that's where I was coming from. And I think those questions are legitimate questions to ask, and your answer is a powerful answer. But there was a Republican who resigned from his job working for the president, who is a MAGA supporter, who invoked the word imminent. So that's where I was coming from.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That guy's a crook. And I mean that in a character way, not in a legitimate. Like, he doesn't steal things, but he's a crook.

[Kennedy]

Go ahead.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right. So I don't like criticizing people who are anti war because at some point I'm gonna be in that corner. Like, if we decide to invade Greenland, I'll probably be against that. But I wonder about the motivation here, not among Republicans, but among Democrats, and how quickly they've galvanized, given the success and the effectiveness of the last two weeks. And the people that are so much against it are these outspoken, once outspoken hawks that were like, let's go in. Let's get Iran. And now they're not. At least Republicans have been consistently anti war. The lot that you hear from. But you can't get much better a result than what you're seeing now in so short of a time. And it's exactly what Dems would wish they could have done if they actually had done it. So my feeling is most, if not all, the opposition has nothing to do with principles or results. It's just because it's Trump. It's the only reason they're against something now that they were once for. Iran is now in the same irrational bucket that they put RFK Jr. In. Elon Musk, they loved RFK Jr. He was suing corporations like. Like, what was that? Oil company, Big Pharma.

[Kennedy]

You name Santo?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, it's Monsanto. They loved Elon Musk who made electric Cars. Cool. And then of course, they're somehow correlated to Trump. Early on they are hated. Iran was hated. And now it's linked to Trump. Now they're the victims, even though they've killed 30 to 40,000 of their own supporters. I'm not supporters. Citizens. But you see my point. Imagine your house is on fire and firefighters come to save your family. They do. But you're mad because those firefighters voted for Trump. Or you're against the best surgeon in the world operating on your kid because you found out he donated to Trump. You're gonna punish yourself not over the behavior or experience of somebody, but their beliefs. And that's on you. Every single decision it seems they make is based on their relationship to Trump. Personal, professional, political. It's a narrow, myopic position to be in. Forced to cheer on terrible things because Trump doesn't like them, or condemn good things because. Because Trump likes them. It's guide by belief and not behavior.

[Kennedy]

How do you explain Joe Kent?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Joe Kent, how do I explain him?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

They say he's crazy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I just look at his tweets.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, the past, I mean, they're totally contradictory.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. There's something.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, maybe he just changed his mind though, Greg. I mean, I hear my only point to you guys. I think everything you're saying, there's a legitimate point to it. But the reason we're having this conversation is because the straight of Hermus is closed. If oil prices were down, food prices were down, fertilizer and helium and sugar prices were down, we wouldn't be having a conversation with the fury that we're having. There's no doubt there's some Democrats that just knee jerk reaction is to dislike and to hate Trump. And I don't believe that. But I do think it's important to ask basic questions about do we believe we're the only ones that can end this war? I don't. I think Iran is going to have a say in when this war ends because of their drone technology and other things. So I do wish they'd asked some of those questions. Lars, again, you and Gregory. I don't like all of the Trump, Trump, Trump's terrible, terrible, terrible hawks in my party who like the war, like, who are not opposed to war, but just don't like it because of him. Put those guys to the side. But they're legitimate questions and I think Kennedy raised some of them and I'm trying to raise some of them. And I don't just dismiss Mr. Kent because this guy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I didn't bring him up. You did. And I just. That's my gut. My gut feeling is that there's something up there.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You could be right.

[Kennedy]

Don't forget, like, one of the big things that is emerging is this criticism that started early on in the war, which is that Israel made Trump do it.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Kennedy]

And that's. And that. And the president's rejected that. Caroline Levitt, They've all rejected that except for that. There is a strain that wants that

[Greg Gutfeld]

to be the issue, but that has been disproven by history. You have 40 years of Trump talking about Iran. He said what he was gonna do to Iran in the 80s. He actually telegraphed what he was gonna do to the island of Krag or whatever it's called.

[Kennedy]

And it's also interesting because Joe Kent was supported by to run for office twice. And then he lost that seat. So now that's a Democrat seat.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Something happened.

[Kennedy]

Got him a position at the administration.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Something happened.

[Kennedy]

I also admire for him for resigning. If he came to the conclusion that he could not support it and he resigned, absolutely that's what he should do.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think you guys are going on limited information. That's all I'm going to say. Greg, you were doing this as a segment. I would probably have more to say. But I'm telling you right now, you brought this up in a laudable way and I'm suspect of his intentions.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And you could be right. You know what? You could be wrong too, brother. He could very well.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm never wrong here, Harold. I thought you knew that.

[Kennedy]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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Thanks a lot, Harold. Your party's about to wreck spring break for millions of drunk college kids. Travelers are showing up three hours early to the airport, waiting on TSA lines as long as Adam shifts, pencil neck. And that's before agents who aren't getting paid tell you to spread them. It's all because the Democrats won't budge on funding the dhs. Even with the Trump White House wanting to make a deal. The DHS shutdown also causing a brouhaha. Hahaha. Between these two lawmakers.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Senator, I was hoping that we could

[Kennedy]

tell your Democrats to vote to pay these.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Let's do it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Let's do it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, you do it time and time again.

[Kennedy]

Let's go.

[Dana Perino]

Let's.

[Kennedy]

Let's talk for a second.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Senator, there's a bipartisan bill to fund just the tsa. Can we do that together?

[Dana Perino]

Not acceptable.

[Kennedy]

Not acceptable to. How about all the terrorist attacks like

[Harold Ford Jr.]

we see down on 6th Street?

[Dana Perino]

You want those to continue? These people are keeping us safe.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Tell the Democrats to vote.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That was scintillating. Dana, permission to use an analogy?

[Kennedy]

Okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, here you got. The Dems are once again putting their politics above your pain. And is this any really different than activists blocking highways to ruin your commute? So you just give it to Trump?

[Kennedy]

Nope. And we talk about the lines that the passengers are going through. But I gotta tell you, these TSA agents, this is absolutely unfair. We had a woman on Newsroom this morning. She represents the folks in Durango, Colorado, and she's just so compassionate for them. Her name was Angela Granada.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How was she doing, by the way?

[Kennedy]

She was great. No, but actually, you know what? She was deeply sad and deeply worried. She had served after 9 11. She decided she had never served in the military and wanted to serve her country. TSA was a great place to do that. She's like walk a mile in their shoes. And what's happening right now is take them out first. The members of Congress. Yeah, members of Congress from both sides of the aisle. Guess what? When they get to the airport, they get an escort, of course, direct to the front of the line. Nobody's having to go through any pain. And now the Democrats are trying to do this reverse uno. Yeah, like actually it's the Republicans fault all along. Dumb.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah.

[Kennedy]

And the White House has said we are willing to come this, this far towards your way. And the Democrats don't realize they are on the losing end of this and they're not willing to make it better. Last thing is, even if they were to come to the table today and say, okay, fine, sign the deal, it's going to take a while to get all of this through. So we're talking about another couple of weeks of this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. And. But like you said, they don't feel the pain. Lawrence, are the Republicans doing all they can do to call this out. I mean, that little clip there doesn't inspire me to do anything other than take a nap.

[Dana Perino]

We get distracted.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

I mean, you know, I go back to the State of the Union with the president and I understand that he can be hyperbolic sometime, but when he called them crazy, they are legit crazy. Like, I mean, you see the lines happening, I think at DFW over the weekend was a four hour wait through the security line. Then you find out that 80% of our counterterrorism analysts that are part of DHS, we're literally at war. Right. With the number one state sponsored of terrorists. And you don't have our analysts at their desk right now. That's crazy talk. And I don't know, I think every time you look at the polling though, somehow Republicans get the blame. Now, Tom Holman went over there and met with them. The cops now are gonna have the badges out. Identification. They already got the funding for the, you know, the body camp. They've given them everything they want. What more do you want? The warrants and all of. At least if you're gonna make a stupid fight, at least be for voters that can actually vote for you. You're doing all of this for people that cannot vote. They're not citizens in this country. And that just doesn't make any sense to me. Like, who's gonna benefit? Who's gonna go out and say, I'm happy about this shit because you protected my rights? All of those people are not in the country legally.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, and they're also not flying, so they don't care either.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, because they need a real ID now.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, they can't. But I don't have a passport. We need a real ID to get a passport. That's the problem. See? Okay, Kennedy.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

TSA agents. This is proof that Democrats really do bleed you dry. TSA agents, to make money, to make ends meet, are actually donating plasma.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Harold, stop laughing about it. Harold, that's not funny.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

My friend, my Bible study partner.

[Kennedy]

Shame, shame. They're donating plasma. They're driving Ubers. They are getting on OnlyFans. Some of the attractive ones.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Which ones?

[Kennedy]

And they're resigning. That's the problem. They're resigning and they're calling out because they cannot stomach going in on a Sunday morning at four in the morning to face lines of cranky people when they cannot even pay their bills. And you know the woman that you interviewed today on Newsroom, Dana? She was talking about two people who've already been evicted. So you know, these are people. The best case scenario is you earn $66,000 a year working at the TSA at one of the New York City airports. Most TSA agents don't make that much money. We are spending $81,000 a year per homeless person in New York City. These people aren't making near that at tsa and they're not even making their paychecks. They are now going on their fifth week of the shutout. And Greg is absolutely right. It's like the people who go to the Louvre and throw tomato soup on the Mona Lisa. It's like the people who glue their hands to the arena floor, just let the Zamboni run over all of them, metaphorically, because you are not getting anyone on your side. Anyone who is traveling to a funeral, a work event, or trying to come home from the hepatitis and fentanyl at spring break. They just want to get through the airport. They don't care about your political cause. They know that Kristi Noem has already been relieved of duty.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. You know, Harold, thanks to this, I missed the wet T shirt contest in Fort Lauderdale. I had to do it myself, alone.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Look, I watched part of the hearing today with Senator Mullen, who's the nominee now for dhs, and he walked. If you listen to it closely, he walked away from a lot of the things that Democrats have been critical of. And in many ways, it was kind of a rebuff of the former secretary. Ms. Noem, I think some of the Democrats should understand this. Drowning in politics on this issue is not the way to go. I've always said, and I offered legislation when I was in Congress and we had these shutdowns to say when there's another shutdown, we in the Congress and the executive branch, we should not be paid.

[Kennedy]

Right.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And because if we get paid and everyone else is not, stock trades, they all do it. So. But we should not be paid. And this issue here, everybody thought the dhs. The irony. I've heard Dana talk about it on her show and this show, that the thing that Democrats are most concerned about, the immigration officers in law enforcement, they're funded fully. So the people that we are denying funding are the counterterrorism people and more importantly, what we see here today, the TSA agents. But I dare Democrats who are big on talking about this stuff, offer legislation tomorrow to make it where you guys don't get paid until every. Every part of government is open and people don't have to be inconvenienced like they're being inconvenienced.

[Greg Gutfeld]

At our airports. And that is. I mean that is coming from dark money. Who always gets paid how much?

[Kennedy]

Had a heck of a Bible study today.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. J.B. pritzker had a super sized night after voters gobbled up his hand picked candidate. My day kicks off with a refreshing Celsius energy drink. Then straight to the gym, pre K

[Dana Perino]

pickup back home to meal prep.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

Gotta keep the lights on when the three alarm hits.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Kennedy]

The Democrats high roller is proving his weight. Governor JB Pritzker is picked to be the Democratic candidate for Illinois Senate. Juliana Stratton cruised to victory last night thanks to his checkbook. And big JB isn't done tipping the scales. The heavy hitter telling the New York times about Project 2029 and his plan to lock up Maga. What does a Project 2029 agenda look like for you?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

One is we've got to restore the rule of law.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And that means holding people accountable who've

[Harold Ford Jr.]

broken the law and talking about in

[Greg Gutfeld]

this administration when we get a new one.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The people in this administration who've broken the law and federal agents who've broken the law need to be held accountable.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And that means criminally prosecuted, criminally prosecuted,

[Harold Ford Jr.]

civilly, prosecutor, whatever it is that we can do.

[Kennedy]

I will snack on their thighs. But not everybody was as lucky as JB in Illinois. That crazy far left influencer Kat Abu Ghazala getting smoked in her congressional race by a guy who was hit with a last minute me too accusation. But Kat isn't letting her loss dampen her rage. Wonderful. Every single loss like this one just makes the path easier for the next person who takes the same chance. We are not done and I am not going anywhere. Trump Ice Free Palestine. I love you all. Kiss your mother with that mouth. Kat. My goodness, she looks like she was dragged out of a gutter. You have a history with women named Kat. What do you think of this woman? And was she. And was the progressive left made overly confident by Zoran Momdani's win in New York City?

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is a great question, Kennedy. And it goes back to a larger cultural issue that I've noticed. The problem with this young woman, her name is Kat, right? Do you notice that she thanked things, not people. It was like free Palestine. Thank you. It's like, is that a person? The problem for her and other people like her is there's a surplus. Performative lefties. This is a consequence of so many of them turned out of academia in the last, what, 15, 20 years. They think the same way. They were taught the same way, they act the same way, but in their heads, they think that somehow they're edgy or in your face or risky, but they're just another sheep. Like, we don't need that. We can get that anywhere. We see them on the streets. People are now bored by these people. As for this 2029 thing, Pritzker got that idea when he looked at the number on his morning scale. Because he's a big fat guy anyway. What about him? He's threatening to sue people.

[Kennedy]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He's threatening sue people. Yes.

[Dana Perino]

Like, you flood the border, you do nothing about the problem, and then when there's a mess in the streets because you created this problem, now you want to go after the good guys. Like, didn't we try this before? Didn't we spend three years going after the good guys? And then they stopped showing up for work, and then crime went crazy all over the country. We should learn our lesson. Also, I have a general rule of not promoting people from felon states and felon cities. Illinois is a mess. Chicago is a mess. Why would you give him this promotion? Also, they had this thing with Pritzker that they want him to be the next Trump because he's a billionaire. But Pritzker doesn't understand about building a movement. Like, he. He buys racist. He invests his money to think about Donald Trump, how he remains a billionaire, doesn't spend money on racists. He doesn't. He has a movement. He gets rallies. He gets people to run for office. He's not buying. He's not giving the candidates. They got to get it on their own merit. He's doing it a different way.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. He's just buying a candidate. And, you know, there were members of the Congressional Black Caucus who were not impressed by this race. Raja Krishnamurti, who was running against Stratton, came in second and, you know, was heavily favored to win until Pritzker started writing big checks. Oh, go ahead. Well, he was a guy that was kind of reasonable to deal with on the Democratic side. And a lot of what she wants is the very online issues. Right. She's different from Kat, but not that different. Right. On the issue, $25 an hour, minimum wage. Absolutely. And the thing about Illinois is that J.B. pritzker, he has unlimited cash. So it's not his personality. It's not that he's building a movement, and it's much easier to do that in Illinois than it is to do it nationwide. And even somebody like Mahmoudani, he barely won in man in New York, but he's making a name for himself. But look at Michael Bloomberg. He tried a similar thing and it didn't work. So for me, the Pritzker thing is like, I think it's a lot of. It's a big balloon.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He can build a movement, but it'll be in a public bathroom.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Look, we can say, we want to say about jb, but he made a bet in this race, a more centrist candidate of the candidates there. You saw the catwoman who lost. I mean, I view this that Democrats are understanding some of the polling data that we talk about on this show often that even Democrats want the party to move, move to the middle. Now, where I differ with Governor Pritzker is I've said many, many times I don't believe that voters are going to go to the polls and vote for Democrats if they want to prosecute, if that's the foremost thing they want to do, or that's the nucleus of the plant. You have housing challenges. People can't afford them. We have tariffs on everything in the country. If the president can remove sanctions against the Russians for them to be able to move oil around the world, we ought to lift tariffs so everyday Americans face lower prices at the grocery stores and for that matter, everywhere else. That's what Democrats ought to be talking about. But truth be told, Governor Pritzker had a good night last night. And the question becomes, does that trend? Can you translate that two years from now? I don't know. That's a long time.

[Kennedy]

But definitely, I'd say this off of that political.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'd rather have that. You know, I don't like, I don't like those, those jokes about him and his size, but.

[Kennedy]

Oh, I wasn't saying anything about his size. I was just a political victory.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What is, what's wrong with his size?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I think, I think, I think he had a good night last night. He has. He deserves the credit for it. And we'll see where he carries.

[Kennedy]

There's a housing crisis in Chicago. Maybe they should take all the unhoused people and put them in the Obama presidential $2 billion library.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, in your face, Harold.

[Kennedy]

Up next.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I like ideas. That's an idea.

[Kennedy]

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[Dana Perino]

So when TDS runs in the family. Stand By Me star Jerry o' Connor revealing that his wife, Rebecca Roman, and their daughters got physical with him after he lightly criticized Kamala Harris. Lousy presidential campaign.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Watch.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I said something along the lines of, like, there was no planning. This is what they get.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

There should have been a primary. My wife and daughters,

[Greg Gutfeld]

without saying anything, became. Became physical with me. They were filled with rage.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

He shouldn't be saying that in public.

[Dana Perino]

Okay, let's hear.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Let's hear it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You took it.

[Dana Perino]

Let's go, Carroll.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, I'm just. Look, I just. When my wife and daughter look at me a certain way, I know to shut up. So he probably should take a lesson or two from that. But Democrats need to accept she ran a lousy campaign. She's not allowed a person, but she ran a lousy campaign. If we run a campaign like that again, we're going to get defeated. I thought the most important thing he said was we should have held a primary. And perhaps we should be thinking about the primary this next go round as opposed to anointing someone.

[Dana Perino]

Dana, I do feel like, unlike the Republican Party, the women in the Democratic Party are holding the movement back from growing.

[Kennedy]

Well, partly it might be because they don't want to hear the bad news. Right. So the department. The dnc is holding back their autopsy report because they know that it's going to say exactly what Jerry said and what Harold just said, that the campaign was lousy and she never had a chance. And that, frankly, Joe Biden never should have announced he was running for reelection anyway. And the Democrats were cooked from the beginning. And they don't want to hear that. Well, actually, their donors don't want to hear it. Their base doesn't want to hear it. So that what they're doing is burying the information, and they're likely to make the same mistake again because they're not willing to hear the bad news.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's true.

[Dana Perino]

Kennedy.

[Kennedy]

I think it's kind of scary that he's admitting that he got the living crap beat out of him by his own family by the women in his family, and they sound a little irrational. And I don't buy this notion that because you have the same immutable characteristics, you have to vote for someone. Kamala Harris lost because she was not a likable person. She did not have a good command of the issues. She shoehorned her way in there and somehow upended the party from the Obamas who wanted to have an open primary because they were the only ones who knew that she could not win. Joe Biden was not in control of his mental faculties at that point, so he was really in no position to put her ahead and put her on track to lose, which is what she did. Second worst face plant in modern presidential history. The first, of course, belongs to Hillary Clinton in 2016. Good job, sister. Yeah, right. Girls need to face up, face the music.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, Greg. I thought it was actually brave of him to kind of, like, reveal what's under the hood of households where liberal women assume everybody else agrees with them. He's a charming, sweet guy. You can tell it wasn't his fault Kamala lost, but he incurred the wrath anyway, which is why most guys don't talk politics, would rather go and sit in the garage and drink quietly. But he's given voice to something that you see in a lot of actors, singers, comedians, households. It's not your belief that keeps you silent. Like, I can't do your show because of this. It's because the spouse's emotional investment, their Trump hate dwarfs your desire to say, kamala sucks. So you just keep it to yourself. And then the woman is surprised when their side loses because no one ever said anything different to them. Who would vote for Trump? Well, it turns out the guy you're living with did, and a lot of other people did. But because you were so intense, nobody could tell you. So everybody kind of was like this. Everybody's walking on eggshells. They don't want to tell you she had no idea. I don't think they got physical with him. They probably were just, like, yelling at him and stuff.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, but this is also, like, why the polling surrounding Trump is always messed up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Right.

[Dana Perino]

Because there's such an environment that if you say it, it's like the people you see in New York City. I vote. Hey, I watch Fox, you know?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

They don't want to be out vocal about it. All right. Meanwhile, coming up, Gen Z is falling in love with JFK Jr. In the 90s again.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

Gen Z missed out on the 90s and yet they're nostalgic about it the Daily Wire is making the case that, quote, Gen Z is looking back at the 1990s and realizing what America lost Kennedy. Your thoughts on the 90s?

[Kennedy]

I've been waiting for this moment my entire adult life. The 90s were amazing. You didn't get to live in it and you missed it and you're trying to relive it and that's okay. It'll never be the same. But yes, try and try and catch a cloud and pin it down. The JFK love Story is. It's fantastic because it has ignited all of these trends. And I can just say to my Gen Z girls, mom has been waiting

[Harold Ford Jr.]

for you, DP the 90s are important to you and your life stand out,

[Kennedy]

especially for me because I was in my 20s and that's the defining decade for the rest of your life. So a lot of good things happened to me. I met my husband during that decade. I went to Capitol Hill. It was great. I also think that young people seem to like older music. They love the playlist for this or the soundtrack, excuse me, for this show. And they like life before phones. You need to understand, like, what was it like? So how did you meet up? And then he's sending her flowers. He's not sending her text messages. He's actually doing something to try to woo her rather than all this other sort of nonsense that they're going through today. I really look forward to when they learn about the Counting Crows. That's gonna be fun. I like that band.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

What do you think about the 90s?

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is the weirdest thing I have. Two observations. One, the last episode of Seinfeld foreshadowed everything. They all end up in jail. It's like they basically saw that in the next two decades the behavior of the 90s would be seen as unacceptable and outlawed. Then I'm watching love story with JFK, the story of JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bessette. And I realized that 90s men, unlike us, are happy dogs. Their mouths are always open. This is a 90s myth.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Oh my gosh.

[Greg Gutfeld]

When did we go like this? When did this happen? When the strokes came out. I don't know. But all men now are like this. But then my last thing is try to think about the 2000s. Now. What would people be looking back at here as this era? Yeah, I know. I don't know. Well, I think they'll be looking at like me. I'll be like, this year is Fonzie.

[Kennedy]

In a way, you know, you're definitely Henry Winkler.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

LJ, when were you born? 92. 92.

[Dana Perino]

92.

[Kennedy]

That's a great decade.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah. So I always felt like I was born at the wrong time because I always liked 90s music. 90s fashion. Of course, my. My parents were 90s kids, so. Yeah.

[Kennedy]

Did you like the Counting Crows?

[Greg Gutfeld]

What?

[Kennedy]

Issue with you bringing it up is funny.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We're spandam.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Who was your favorite band in 90s?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Faith no More.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Faith no More, You Beastie Boys. It's not bad.

[Dana Perino]

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[Kennedy]

Garth Brooks.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I gotta say, it's a strong call. Cool it now. One more thing is up next.

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[Kennedy]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Kennedy]

All right, Lawrence.

[Dana Perino]

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[Kennedy]

That was one of my biggest fears as a kid.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Kennedy]

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