New Bombshell Evidence

Summary

The Five — "New Bombshell Evidence"

FOX News Podcasts | September 25, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode of "The Five," the panel tackles two major themes resonating in current American politics: the aftermath and rhetoric following the deadly attack on an ICE facility in Dallas and the persistent challenges Democrats face with young male voters. The group delves into the implications of inflamed political language, the responsibility of leaders to de-escalate, shifts in campus culture, and the state of progressive versus conservative messaging in both traditional and social media spheres.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New Evidence in the Dallas ICE Attack

• Major Revelations:

  • The FBI released details about the motives and planning behind the attack, including evidence from the suspect's phone and manifestos indicating intent to terrorize ICE employees ([01:04]).
  • The shooter's rhetoric labeled ICE personnel as part of "human trafficking" and vowed to maximize lethality.
  • Notably, the attacker was allegedly inspired by right-wing extremist tactics but appeared aligned with left-leaning ideology—a reversal that spurred complex discussion.

• Panel Insights:

  • Greg Gutfeld questioned the use of tactics previously associated with white supremacist violence by someone seemingly opposing the right ([02:13]):

    "Why you would use a tactic that a famous white supremacist...would do that...It does appear that people are moving in that direction because they want people to know what they're doing and why."

  • Jesse Waters tied rhetorical escalation on the left to real-world violence ([03:06]):

    "They're saying things and they're really dumb people. It's going to get worse. And ultimately it's going to go back on them."

  • Greg Gutfeld underscored the difference between petty insults and dangerous demonization ([06:21]):

    "It's not words like moron or fat ass or liar that gets people killed...it's Nazi; it's fascist; it's Hitler. Those are the words."

  • Kennedy lamented Democratic reliance on inflammatory rhetoric instead of genuine voter outreach, warning of unintended consequences ([07:07]):

    "They have grown numb to this kind of language. And you have to offer them so much more than hysteria...you have made the political tenor and climate in this country so incredibly dangerous."

  • Jessica Tarlov highlighted the dangerous copycat effect, suggesting bipartisan support for stronger domestic terrorism laws ([09:31]):

    "That means that we have our first case of an inspired shooting, right?...there is soothing that this country needs desperately at this moment."

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2. Political Language and Its Consequences

• The episode featured a montage of anti-ICE rhetoric, with comparisons likening ICE agents to the Gestapo and "slave patrols," which the panel denounced as potentially contributing to violence ([03:33], [03:48]).

• The team dissected the cycle of demonizing political opponents:

  • Greg Gutfeld:

    "Liberal leaders need to see that you are playing with fire. You have a repetitive, inflammatory messaging that you've released into the wild, and you have followers who will act on it." ([05:32])

  • The panelists agreed that such language fosters an environment ripe for unstable individuals to act violently.

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3. The Challenge of Winning Back Young Male Voters & Hillary Clinton’s Comments

• Hillary Clinton’s Interview: Addressed Democratic struggles with young male voters, questioning the nostalgia for "white male dominance" ([16:11]).

  • Panel Reaction:

    • Greg Gutfeld ridiculed Clinton’s tone as disdainful towards white men, lamenting Democrats' approach ([17:02]).
    • Jesse Waters pushed back:

      "We just don't want you to discriminate against straight white male Christians. And we will not discriminate against you. We want a country where no one discriminates against anyone." ([18:52])

  • The panel argued that instead of self-critique, Democrats blame men for leaving the party. They also credited conservative success on social media and podcasting as partly a response to being shut out from other platforms ([20:24]).

  • Dana Perino:

    "[Liberals] felt like they had a complete lock on all the social media platforms...so maybe liberals felt like they didn't have to try too hard." ([20:24])

  • The team suggested that the left’s approach to gender and masculinity—such as the Gillette “toxic masculinity” campaign—further alienated men ([22:58]).

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4. Campus Culture Shifts Post-Assassination of Charlie Kirk

• Georgetown University flyer controversy—mocking the assassination of Charlie Kirk as a symptom of radicalization on campus ([26:44]).
• In contrast, conservative student engagement is on the rise, with Turning Point USA events attracting large, energized crowds.

  • Dana Perino:

    "And one after another...They are calm, articulate, thoughtful, and really emulating what they saw in Charlie Kirk." ([27:13])

  • Kennedy:

    "There are so many people who have to exist in college as closet conservatives...this was something that galvanized young people in a way that will create a generation of conservatives..." ([28:07])

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5. Petty Insults vs. Dangerous Demonization

• Greg Gutfeld’s Thesis:
  • Advocates for a return to “pettiness” (petty name-calling) rather than life-or-death demonization. He contends that personal slights, while immature, are less likely to incite violence than branding opponents as Nazis or fascists ([23:28], [26:26]).

    "This is petty and it's silly and it's harmless. And that's the whole point." ([40:26])

  • The group bantered about this theme throughout, contrasting it with extreme demonization.

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6. Kamala Harris's Book Tour & Left-Wing Infighting

• Harris’s attempts to promote her book were repeatedly disrupted by far-left protesters demanding action on Gaza ([34:07]).

  • Jessica Tarlov:

    "The way that the left eats its own is so irritating." ([34:38])

  • Kennedy questioned Harris’s strategy—burning bridges rather than bringing innovative ideas ([37:19]).

  • Jesse Waters critiqued Harris’s response—claiming powerlessness—even as a figure of national importance ([36:51]).

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7. Petty Trolling & The "Auto Pen" Incident

• The White House's playful "auto pen" portrait of Biden was praised across the panel as harmless political humor ([39:30]).
  • Greg Gutfeld:

    "This is petty. Yeah, but it's not a swastika. It's not a picture of Joe Biden with a Hitler mustache. This is petty and it's silly and it's harmless." ([40:26])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Greg Gutfeld ([02:13]):
  "Why you would use a tactic that a famous white supremacist...would do that...It does appear that people are moving in that direction..."
• Jesse Waters ([03:06]):
  "They're saying things and they're really dumb people. It's going to get worse. And ultimately it's going to go back on them."
• Greg Gutfeld ([06:21]):
  "It's not words like moron or fat ass or liar that gets people killed...it's Nazi; it's fascist; it's Hitler."
• Jessica Tarlov ([09:31]):
  "That means that we have our first case of an inspired shooting, right?...there is soothing that this country needs desperately at this moment."
• Kennedy ([07:07]):
  "They have grown numb to this kind of language. And you have to offer them so much more than hysteria..."
• Jesse Waters ([18:52]):
  "We just don't want you to discriminate against straight white male Christians. And we will not discriminate against you. We want a country where no one discriminates against anyone."
• Greg Gutfeld ([26:26]):
  "I'm not calling her a bigot, and I'm not calling her a Nazi. I'm just saying she's old and smelly and ugly. That's where I say the path for America is petty insults, not demonizing people."
• Dana Perino ([27:13]):
  "They are calm, articulate, thoughtful, and really emulating what they saw in Charlie Kirk."
• Kennedy ([28:07]):
  "This was something that galvanized young people in a way that will create a generation of conservatives..."
• Greg Gutfeld ([40:26]):
  "This is petty and it's silly and it's harmless. And that's the whole point."

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Important Segment Timestamps

• News on Dallas ICE attack: [01:04] – [04:06]
• Discussion on inflammatory rhetoric: [04:06] – [07:07]
• Copycat shooting + national response: [09:31] – [12:31]
• Hillary Clinton on male voters: [16:11] – [18:52]
• Campus culture & Turning Point USA: [26:44] – [29:33]
• Petty vs. dangerous language theme: Throughout, notably [23:28], [26:26], [40:26]
• Kamala Harris book tour protests: [34:07] – [38:42]
• Auto Pen trolling discussion: [39:30] – [40:26]

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Five" examined the explosive consequences of political scapegoating and the dangers of inflamed rhetoric in the wake of targeted violence. The panel stressed the urgent need for both parties—especially Democrats in their view—to lead with de-escalation rather than demonization, and reflected on the cultural and political realignment visible among younger voters and on social media. Blending humor and seriousness, the group advocated for a return to "petty" political banter over all-consuming hatred, suggesting this shift could help defuse the nation's partisan crises.

Transcript

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Hello everyone.

[Dana Perino]

I'm Dana Perino along with Kennedy, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five. And today, the FBI revealing stunning new details on the deadly attack on an ICE facility in Dallas, Texas that left one detainee dead and two others wounded. Information found from the suspect's phone included a downloaded document containing a list of DHS facilities in the Dallas area, multiple searches of ballistics and of quote, charlie Kirk shot video. And it gets worse from there. He called the ICE employees people showing up to collect a dirty paycheck. He wrote that he intended to maximize lethality against ICE personnel. He hoped his actions would terrorize ICE employees and interfere with their work, which he called human trafficking. The shooter casing that read anti ice. But a former senior FBI official seems to think that the shooter was inspired by right wing extremists.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The irony with the writing, the first time we really saw that was Breton Tarrant. He was a fierce, you know, white supremacists. To see this coming from, you know, potentially the other side of the political spectrum is a little strange. Why you would, you know, use a tactic that a famous white supremacist who has been revered and copycatted over the years by other white supremacists, why you would do that. But it does appear that people are moving in that direction because they want people to know what they're doing and why they're doing it.

[Dana Perino]

And here's President Trump reiterating his call for the left to stop with anti ICE rhetoric that compares agents to fascists.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Radical left rhetoric. The radical left is causing the problem. They're out of control.

[Jesse Waters]

They're saying things and they're really dumb people. It's going to get worse. And ultimately it's going to go back on them. I mean, bad things happen when they play these games.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The right is a lot tougher than.

[Jesse Waters]

The left, but the right is not doing this. They're not doing it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And they better not get them energized.

[Jesse Waters]

Because it won't be good for the left.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And I don't want to see that happen either.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm the president of all the people.

[Dana Perino]

And I just want to play this montage that our team put together of anti ICE rhetoric.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Donald Trump's modern day Gestapo is scooping folks up off the street, running around our communities like masked bank robbers, terrorizing women. When I talked about what terrorism looks like, this is it.

[Dana Perino]

When I see ice, I see slave patrols.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is not Germany. That's the SS and the Gestapo. This is the United States of America. Unmask yourselves. Masked men jumping out of unmarked cars, people disappearing. No due process.

[Dana Perino]

All right, let's start with you today, Greg. As this information has come out, and it seems that FBI official, a former FBI analyst, I wasn't understanding what he was saying.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know, I think it had to have been Charles Krauthammer that said it first about the left and the right. The right thinks the left is wrong, the left thinks the right is evil. It all flows from there. It's not. It's not just about the violence. We know the violence is bad. It's the language that is used to advance your party and disadvantage the other party. And why is this important? Because it's not illegal. You can't arrest Pritzker. You can't arrest Gavin Newsom. You can't arrest Colbert or Joy Behar for calling you a Nazi or Hitler. And that's a good thing. You're not supposed to arrest them. So then what do you do? If you can't arrest them, all you can do is convince them or get them to see that you're putting people in harm's way when you use this language. And by the way, you're also destroying your own party because your party is being associated with this kind of behavior and this kind of rhetoric. Liberal leaders need to see that you are playing with fire. You have a repetitive, inflammatory messaging that you've released into the wild, and you have followers who will act on it. A lot of them are mentally ill. The polls show there are far more mentally ill in the liberal sphere than the conservative sphere. The point is, there is nothing in politics that makes this strategy worth it. Politics isn't worth demonizing the other side. You need to stop making it deadly and making it petty. That's what I do. Like, I mean, it's not words like moron or fat ass or liar that gets people killed. I've been calling people fat and ugly for 20 years, and no one has died from it. It's Nazi, it's fascists, it's Hitler. Those are the words. Actions that require planning are incited by ideas. Those ideas are planted, and that is the idea that is being planted. It's not silly names that I use or Trump uses when he calls people stupid. In the hierarchy of slurs, those don't even come close to Hitler. Me calling Joy Behar a cow is not going to get her targeted by our viewers. I'm not calling her a threat to democracy. I'm calling her a threat to chairs that doesn't do anything. So what I'm asking is.

[Dana Perino]

We don't.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Want to get bogged down in the who's worse in the world of violence we're talking about. Can you at least stop demonizing us? That's all we're asking. Don't call us Hitler anymore. Don't call us Nazis. You see where this leads? We, we can call me stupid, call me short, call me loud, call me rude, I will take it. But don't call me Hitler. At least to my face.

[Dana Perino]

Kenny, do you think that they could stop at this point? No. And I think it's a really, really bad and perilous path that Democrats are going down. And I look at someone like Gavin Newsom. All you have to do is look at the coalition that President Trump put together for his second presidential victory in 2020. Just kidding. In 2024. And you will see that the people who are most disaffected in this country are white men, black men, young men, and they're the ones who. They have grown numb to this kind of language. And you have to offer them so much more than hysteria. And, you know, unfortunately, Gavin Newsom and other formerly rational mainstream Democrats have gotten completely addicted to fanning the flames and trying to stoke an emotional reaction with diminishing returns, because at some point, that doesn't work anymore. And not only does it not work anymore, not only are you not appealing to the voters that are going to be completely necessary in order for you to achieve victory in 2028. You have made the political tenor and climate in this country so incredibly dangerous. We talked about this this morning on your show, America's Newsroom, which airs 9 to 11am weekdays, Monday through Friday. Yeah, that's right. Monday Through Friday.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Who's that guy you're with?

[Dana Perino]

Hammer. Bill Hammer. MC Hammer. He's quite talented. But there are so many people, to Greg's point, who are so easily agitated, who are truly unwell, and they are responding to this call to arms because they have to realize. They have to look inside themselves and realize that that is what they are doing. They are appealing to sick, disaffected, narcissistic, socially isolated people who want to be heroes, who don't believe in God. And, you know, it's like, it's gotta be bad news for a guy who wakes up in hell after killing a detained migrant and not an ICE agent to realize that his life and death were an absolute failure. And you can really thank the rhetoric from people like Jasmine Crockett and J.B. pritzker and Gavin Newsom who are pulling back. They're doubling down on this. And, you know, they're not only costing society, they're also potentially costing their own political fortunes. Just Scott.

[Jessica Tarlov]

So what really stuck out to me in the press conference is they said that he had watched Charlie Kirk shot videos. And we talk about that every time there's one of these shooters and have a discussion like, should you put his face on screen? I understand Tyler Robinson is alive and he's going to go through his trial. So it's a little bit different than publicizing someone who is no longer with us. But that means that we have our first case of an inspired shooting, right? So two weeks later, someone else has killed a person and injured two others, seeking fame and trying to do the same thing that Tyler Robinson did. And that's really frightening because that works like a ricochet, right, that people, especially these kids, don't seem to have a lot to live for. Think. I mean, he went and blew his face off, right? So he clearly didn't have a lot to live for. He thought, I'll make sure that I'm, you know, the front page of every paper and I'm the top of every newscast. And that really scares me. And I hadn't heard what Paul was talking about yesterday in terms of getting some sort of domestic terrorist law passed. I think that people on both sides of the aisle should absolutely be looking at that because there have to be real penalties for this, to make sure that everybody is prosecuted to the fullest extent the law possible and that you don't have to be downgrading charges to make sure that you can actually get a conviction. Donald Trump said something interesting in the Oval at the end where he said, I'm the president for all of you and whether it's deserved or not. And I certainly do not want to get into the same discussion that I've had a couple times in the last few weeks because I value my mental health. Whether he likes it or not, tens of a million, tens of millions of Americans do not feel like he is their president and that he cares about them equally to those who voted for him. And there is an opportunity then that I hope that he takes. Maybe it's an Oval Office address. I'm not saying it's like a do over for right after Charlie was murdered, but there are, there is soothing that this country needs desperately at this moment. And it doesn't mean that you will convert, you know, people on the left who have an impression of him from the day he came down the golden escalator. But it does mean that he can be on the record making that loud and clear to people that he wants peace in this country and he wants to make sure that we don't have ideological violence.

[Dana Perino]

But imagine how powerful that would be if a Democrat were the soothing voice. Imagine. I know, but imagine Gavin Newsom really wants to be president. Imagine if Gavin looked at Americans and said we.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, one of them, one of them.

[Dana Perino]

Is to respect one another. But he doubling down on the Nazi talk.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Every elected Democrat in a position of power came out and said all the right things about political violence, has no place in society, etc. After Charlie was, guys, one person is the president and the rest of these people are maybe trying to be president. I, I'm just saying there's an opportunity.

[Dana Perino]

That we played the montage earlier, Jesse. There was not anybody aside from the Democrats who were talking about anti ICE rhetoric in that way.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, I mean, you can put out a statement on social media, I condemn violence. And the next day you call them the Gestapo. Jessica, it takes a lot more than that. And you're right though. This was a copycat from Charlie Kirk. And the media is also copycatting how they framed Charlie Kirk. The media is saying on MSNBC that ICE deserved it, that ICE had it coming, that ICE is divisive and they need to dial back the operations and if they don't, they're going to get shot more. How are you able to justify violence like that? This is like saying, oh, you know what, the girl deserved it. She was wearing a short skirt. This is what they said on 9 11. The chickens came home to roost. They did it after the BLM riots too. Remember, we got all these articles, why rioting is righteous. And now you see them go through this slippery defensiveness every time. First, oh, not sure what the motive is when they fire rounds at ice, and then they see the scrawled anti ICE messages on the shell casings, and they say, oh, you know, maybe he was maga. And now it's, you know what? They kind of deserved it. And so Pelosi, Schumer, Hakeem, they have not said to knock it off to everybody in their caucus. They have not said that. And that tells me they're either afraid of their crazy base, and that means they're cowards. And that means their base is so insane that they'll be mad at Chuck for saying this or they kind of like it. And so it's either one or the other. And they created the mess. You can't pour 10 million foreign nationals into the country unvetted, have them go haywire, have the voters say, please, someone kick them out. And when the officers doing the kicking out get attacked, you can't say they deserved it. Now, Donald Trump on January 6, all he said was march peacefully and patriotically. No one got shot. No one. And now this is the second or third time these crazy people have shot federal law enforcement officials. And what are the Democrats saying? They're saying this is war. They're saying that this is the Gestapo.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That it's not said we are at war.

[Jesse Waters]

No, that's what I said. They said Chris Murphy said, quote, this is war. We're at war, and we have to do whatever's necessary to win it. And that's the kind of language you use when you're in a democracy.

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Well, this will surely win. Back to fellas. Hillary Clinton popping up on Mojo, Hand wringing over how the Democrats keep fumbling young male voters while cackling and delighted how the world has moved on from white men. Watch the idea that you could turn the clock back and try to recreate a world that never was dominated by, you know, let's Say it. White men of a certain persuasion, a certain religion, a certain point of view, a certain just doing such damage to what we should be aiming for probably boils down to candidates on the Democratic side either stop talking in ways that were going to be understood.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The Republican Party, I have to say.

[Dana Perino]

Has done a much better job dominating.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Social media, dominating the podcast ecosystem, getting.

[Dana Perino]

Messages out, and aiming particularly at young men. Well, she's in her I really don't care anymore phase, isn't she? Has she always hated white men this much, or is this something new?

[Jessica Tarlov]

She loves white men. She's married to a white man.

[Dana Perino]

Well, I think that might go to my initial concern here, that she clearly has what feels to me as a white man, a lot of disdain for the honkies.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I. That's not how I read it necessarily. I think that she's talking about some of the. The messaging and the, you know, hearkening back to another time, like make America great again. And what time was it when it, you know, when it was so much better? But, you know, it doesn't. She's out there CGI this week, you know, UNGA week. She's doing interviews like Clint Globe on a sort of week, whatever. That's why she was in town doing the interview.

[Dana Perino]

Well, I thought she was an animatron.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Brought to us by a hologram. Listen, it's not like people are focused on the impending shutdown that's gonna come next week, potentially, and the midterms.

[Dana Perino]

I mean, don't you think Democrats should think about getting men back?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, they are. And she was talking about how we do have a problem attracting young male voters like that. Everyone knows what the problem is. Everyone has been talking about it. And she was. You just played a snippet of. Was a long interview. Went across several segments of tech.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, lucky us. Why did they keep trotting her out, exactly?

[Jesse Waters]

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[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Jesse Waters]

So we don't want to go back to where straight white male Christians dominated. Statistically, we still dominate. We just don't want you to discriminate against straight white male Christians. And we will not discriminate against you. We want a country where no one discriminates against anyone. That's what MLK said. Content of your character, not color of your skin. We want merit. We want the country to be like a professional sports team. If you can play, we will pay. If you can score and you're a good teammate. We want you on the team. No excuses, no handouts. It's all about that performance. And what happens are men are so simple. If you tell us the rules and what our expectations are and you have a coach that has our back, we're good. We don't need anything else. But what they did was they started changing the rules. They started putting crazy people on our team that sucked. And the coach was a snake. And so what we did, we said, this isn't working. And then we tried to tell them that, and then they called us stupid. So we said, ok, the country fell apart. We went over here to podcasts and social media and did our own thing. And even when we were trying to mind our own business, they still called us racist, they still censored us. And then we said, okay, we won the election and now we're back in charge. And now it's your turn to listen to us.

[Dana Perino]

Well, it seems as though some of the social media platforms are listening to conservatives, and now Google is admitting that there was, in fact, censorship and meddling. I thought one of the interesting things that Secretary Clinton noted was that conservatives are so much better on social media. And I think what she means is conservative ideas broke through on social media. Liberals didn't feel like they had to do too much on social media because before Elon Musk bought Twitter, they had a complete lock on all the social media platforms. So maybe liberals felt like they didn't have to try too hard. So even though a vast majority of people who worked at Twitter and Facebook and all these other corporations, they're Democrats. So maybe they didn't have to try too hard. But are conservatives really that much better at social media? Looking back to 2008, during that campaign when Obama was running, and I remember seeing a headline that said they had raised something like $200,000 from an account called Cat Lovers for Obama. I was like, what the hell? What is that? What are they talking about? So Obama was actually the one who figured it out. Trump figured out Twitter in the first term. Then what happened was let a thousand flowers bloom when it came to conservative podcasting because they were shut out of every other media. You can't get your point of view out there, so where do you go? You try to go direct to the people. The technology was available, and conservatives figured it out first. They were like the people who made it to the gold rush first. So that's them. Now Democrats are trying to catch up, but the problem is when they don't have a sense of Humor. And they don't have any message or policy that goes around. I was listening to her and thinking, okay, all I can remember is in 1997, being a Capitol Hill staffer, thinking, like, here I am, I'm a young woman. I'm going to become independent, and I'm going to do all these things. And the Lewinsky scandal happens, and what did she and all of her friends do? They shunned that young woman to protect, what, a white male and all the other white. And then. And then fast forward and you get to me, too, and they're like, oh, actually, we'd like a redo on that, because we wanted to protect him, but we don't want to protect any of the other ones. No wonder they don't want to be a part of this party. In addition, Peter cannot get over Gillette from years ago talking about toxic masculinity. He hasn't bought another one of their products since. So these types of things last to Jessica's idea or point that the Democrats know they have a problem with men. And what Hillary Clinton was saying is that, yeah, we got to win them back. But what she's not saying out loud, but she implies is that it's not because they did something wrong to lose those men. It's that the men are wrong. They just don't know it yet. That's even worse.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, it's. You know, I don't know if you know this, Kennedy. That's the first time that Hillary's been on Morning Joe since the mysterious death of that intern.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm not.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm not saying anything, but I have to wonder, why is this old, ugly bag still around?

[Dana Perino]

Don't talk about meek in that way.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, that is so petty. It's so petty when I say those things. But I'm not calling her a bigot, and I'm not calling her a Nazi. I'm just saying she's old and smelly and ugly. That's where I say the path for America is petty insults, not demonizing people. Like saying all white men are racist. Remember that dream you always have of realizing you have a final for a class you never went to, and you're standing naked there going, oh, my God, that is the Dems. Right now. They're facing a final 2026, 2028 for a class they stopped going to years ago. They're standing naked in the classroom, and all they have is a Trump is Hitler sign. And what do you do? Do you drop the sign or do you keep waving it? Well, Their policies and idea muscles have atrophied. All they had was this sign. It was the only tool in their toolkit. So they're in this demon loop. The more they do it, the more they must rely on it. I'm not worried as much about the parties. I'm worried about us, what they're willing to say about us. The only issues that they're ahead on, environment, women's rights. Get this. Respect for democracy. Areas with no objective priority. I'll get to that. No, with no areas, there's no objective criteria. It's just the feels. But if you look at crime and you look at economy and the border, you can actually do the math. You can see the bodies, you could see the victims. But respect for democracy, all that is, is emotion ginned up without data to make people scared, hopeless, or in some cases, incite them to violence. I want to talk about the climate. They've gone silent on that. Why is that? Because it turns out all the data has been proven to be fraudulent. All the climate models have been either readjusted or just disregarded, raising the question, how do we get the trillions of dollars back that we spent? Think about the opportunity cost for that.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All that money that could have gone to solve poverty, all those sex changes we could have given to criminals, instead went to windmills that don't work.

[Jesse Waters]

I had a dream the other night that I showed up to a final that I wasn't prepared for naked. And it turns out the class was an art class and they were supposed to draw me naked.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow.

[Jesse Waters]

It was the right class.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow.

[Dana Perino]

And Jesse is not even tired of winning. Up next is disturbing flyers popping up on a college campus that mock the assassination of Charlie Kirk. We'll get into it next. Never before has it been more only.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Murders in the building.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

The night Lester died, he was talking.

[Dana Perino]

With this mobster, Whiskey killed in a hit.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We need to go face to face with the mob. Get ready for a season.

[Jessica Tarlov]

This is how I die.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You can't refuse.

[Dana Perino]

You're gonna save the day like you always do by being smart, sharp, and almost always by mistake.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jesse Waters]

Sick left wing campus culture on full display at Georgetown University. A liberal gun club put up a disturbing flyer around school that read, hey, fascists, catch a reference to the message written on the shell casing used by the man accused of murdering Charlie Kirk. But there still is hope for the kids. Last night, huge crowds gathering for a Turning Point USA event at Virginia Tech. It is good, Dana, to see Charlie Kirk's mission continue this.

[Dana Perino]

Strongly think about these crowds. And then what were you doing in college? Well, we know, we know. But, you know, you want to go. You could do anything you want to at college. You're free to do whatever you want. And they all want to come to this. And it's happening all across the country. And one after another, when you see them speak either online or everybody that's been interviewed in the last couple of weeks here we had a young man on Newsroom Today. They are calm, articulate, thoughtful, and really emulating what they saw in Charlie Kirk. And of course, Erica Kirk's amazing example. And I think what Governor Youngkin said about the future of young conservatives was absolutely correct. I get the future is future is bright. And I think that this movement is really going to grow and probably have a big lasting and good impact.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, Kennedy, you see these numbers, these chapter requests pouring in tens of thousands?

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, it's up to 160,000 last I looked. And, you know, this is one of those events that not only do you remember where you were, but it's galvanizing. And there are so many people who have to exist in college as closet conservatives because there are very few people who historically have been willing to come out and say that they are conservatives and, you know, have their voices be heard because they will be shouted down, they will be called names, they will not be allowed to join other clubs. They will be socially ostracized. And this was something that galvanized young people in a way that will create a generation of conservatives who were so deeply affected by Charlie Kirk's assassination. I personally hope that many of them ultimately become libertarians and just fight for freedom in a broad and inclusive way. And I see that happening, and I think that this is ultimately a good and positive thing because I've talked to so many people who have said, I never really watched Charlie Kirk's videos and, you know, God rest his soul, but I'm so impressed by the way he was able to talk to people. So if you have people who are inspired to start turning point chapters and have conversations in this way, backing up their own facts with logic, I think the future is very bright for an entire generation and beyond.

[Jesse Waters]

Greg Gutfeld, you're pretty old.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, that's true.

[Jesse Waters]

Have you ever seen the campus so electrified by conservatives?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I hate these kids because they're Gonna take my job. I prefer the stupid knuckle draggers. In college, we were watching Faces of Death.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We were, like, doing nothing. These kids just. They got it together too much. I don't like it. As for the, you know, this liberal gun club thing or whatever it was called. What was called the leftist whatever, I'm gonna keep hammering the fact on the benefits of being petty. If you just called Charlie a jerk or an idiot or a blowhard, he'd still be alive. That simple. If it wasn't for the terminology, if it wasn't so intense and demonizing that at 31, he was murdered. And I think that if you want to talk about cause and effect, you have to remember that he was only 31. He was only on the public stage, really, when you think about it, for five years. That means all the people that are demonizing probably didn't even know who the hell he was until he was dead. So what more evidence that you need that it was never about him at all? They just caught up to this and decided, I don't know enough about him, but I know that I hate him. So there's your brainwash.

[Jesse Waters]

Jessica, how do you feel about Greg's new agenda? Going after people's looks?

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's not new, Jessica.

[Jessica Tarlov]

So innovative. Yeah. That has always been part of Greg's appeal.

[Jesse Waters]

Not just Greg, but I know Greg will never stop. But what if you guys.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I'm begging him.

[Jesse Waters]

The pettiness.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. Be petty.

[Jesse Waters]

He's giving you permission to be petty.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Make fun of me.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It just doesn't have hit that well.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But then why is it easier to call people Hitler? Why is it easier to do that than the.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I've never called anyone Hitler. You're also not fat.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's true. Thank you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You were. You've gained a little weight since your peak peloton phase.

[Greg Gutfeld]

See? See, that's how it should work.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That was during COVID He did it all the time. I just don't believe there's a liberal gun club. That's really it. It's like when you read these things, but in Georgetown. At Georgetown. Listen, I think, obviously a lot of more heated things about this whole debate, but I hope that there are also liberal groups on campus that come and participate in these turning point events and make it, like a really lively, helpful campus vibe where folks are exchanging ideas in a peaceful way and learning how to have good arguments with each other. And then, like, go to the dining hall or a kegger and hang out like you should be during college.

[Jesse Waters]

Are you in A liberal gun club.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jessica, I was gonna say something mean to you.

[Dana Perino]

Okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know what really hurt the left? I realized this. It was the trans movement. Yeah, no, they were the ones that really introduced the targeting language. Remember? They went after feminists who believed women were women. They went after J.K. rowling. That's where the language really turned into something. And of course, we see, you know, the what. What caused the killer to go after Charlie. So it's not all leftists. I was trying to pay you a compliment, okay?

[Jesse Waters]

Just take it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It wasn't my fault.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's the fake ladies, not the real ladies.

[Jesse Waters]

Next. Kamala's gossip book tour got crashed by the far left.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Dana Perino]

I understand what's happening right now in Gaza. What is happening to the Palestinian people is outrageous. And it breaks my heart. I'm not president right now. There's nothing I can do.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They applauded that she wasn't president. Jessica. She can't win either way. No.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And it's really unfair. The thing that's most unfair about what they're doing is these protesters. Haven't seen them in nine months.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

There's a real president. Someone who won the election that you could show up and make your voices heard. He's the one who actually has Bibi Netanyahu on speed dial. If it's something that really matters to you. But the way that the left eats its own is so irritating.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Is that why they're so fat?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Don't make me say another insult.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is what this is. For the rest of my life, I'm just going to call people names. A big change of pace for me.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Never say anything besides stuff about how fat the left is for the rest of your life. I'll die a happy life.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So Dana, she's doing a lot of Bookstore stops. And at each one there is a two drink minimum for her.

[Dana Perino]

Look, it's a, it's a well done book tour. Meaning like they're hitting all the places that they need to go for it to be a best selling book. I am not tired of this news cycle, but I'm tired of her because I don't find it that entertaining. She doesn't have any new things. She's just blaming other people. And I call it the burn it all down book tour. Nice friendships. The fact that she's going to want people to work for her in the future or donate to her in the future, I just think that she's not going to do that. If this is a ploy to try to run in 2028, it was poorly done. Even if the book is well written, this strategy is bad.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know, Jesse, I am making an offer to have her come on my show. I think we, we would have. I think her and I would get along famously. Famously. What do you think, Jesse?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I'm inviting Doug on.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Ah.

[Jesse Waters]

He's already considering it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He's already calling a nanny.

[Jesse Waters]

Because he slept with one. Right. The. And that. She talks about that in the book. So apparently when they were just dating, he confessed that he cheated on his ex with the nanny and she was okay with it.

[Dana Perino]

And.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, I don't want to talk about that anymore. What I do want to talk about is this. You can't, as someone like Kamala Harris and Barack did the same thing. When someone is heckling you about, why can't you do this? Why can't you do that? You can't say, I can't do anything about it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, she's.

[Jesse Waters]

I mean, when Trump was out of office, they had foreign leaders coming to visit him in Mar a Lago. He was able to like raise millions of dollars and do things and influence things. She just sits there and says, I can't do anything. She couldn't do anything in the White House or out of the White House.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know, Kennedy, the protesters, as Jessica notes, are from the left. Nobody from the right is bothering with this, you know.

[Dana Perino]

No, they're just thrilled to see her because they're reminded of what they don't have to deal with on a daily basis. And to Dana's point, like, we're not gonna have to deal with this news cycle much longer because she doesn't have any great fresh ideas. She's not rested enough to have an interesting perspective. You know, she's not like Richard Nixon when he left the White House and You know, wrote academic books about China. She's not a particularly smart person. She doesn't have good political instincts. She has a ton of excuses. And, Dana, I think you brought up the other day, she wouldn't be where she is if it weren't for Joe Biden. So it's like, yes, from an entertainment perspective, I want her to burn everything down. I want her to torch Dr. Jill. I want her to spill the tea and tell the secrets and then go away and never enter the political sphere ever again or the national conversation because she brings nothing to it. And apparently she wrote in her book that Rob Reiner yelled at her husband and blamed doughy Doug for Biden tanking the debate. And Rob Reiner's like, yeah, I threw a few F bombs, but I was never blamed Doug Emhoff for that. The funny thing is, is that, yes, she wouldn't be where she is today except for Joe Biden is also. It's true both ways. She lost because of him, and she became vice president because of him.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, up next, Trump honors President Otto Pen. Recently we asked some people about sharing their New York Times accounts.

[Dana Perino]

My name is Dana. I am a subscriber to the New York Times, but my husband isn't. And it would be really nice to be able to share a recipe or an article or compete with him in wordle or connections.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Thank you, Dana. We heard you introducing the New York Times family subscription. One subscription, up to four separate logins for anyone in your life. Find out [e-mail] family.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The troller in chief strikes again. The White House unveiling a new presidential walk of fame showing an auto pen machine instead of former President Biden's portrait. We only have a minute. I will express my dismay and take it around the table.

[Dana Perino]

Kennedy, I absolutely love it. I don't like tariffs, but I love this kind of trolling. It's really funny. It just goes to show there are people in the White House with a phenomenal sense of humor. Sorry, that's. That's what you get.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yep. What I got.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse, I like how the Democrats don't even care if he had done this to Barack Obama.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, my God.

[Jesse Waters]

It's true. You do it to someone like Biden and no one is even covering this. They're like, yeah, it looks like the auto pen.

[Dana Perino]

I mean, and it's also, it's a great opportunity for Kamala Harris. Like, say something interesting on her book tour. Even she's taken a pass.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is the perfect cap for me on this show. This is petty. Yeah, but it's not a swastika. It's not a picture of Joe Biden with a Hitler mustache. This is petty and it's silly and it's harmless. And that's the whole point.

[Dana Perino]

Beautiful.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's like an After School special. We learned so much, Jessica, let's hug.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Maybe later. One More Thing is up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Dana Perino]

All right, it's time for one more thing. Change of pace for me, a little bit of a serious one. Based on an interview I did this morning on Newsroom. So I this is a story out of California. I interviewed the parents of a six year old girl. She was seriously injured, very seriously injured in a crash with a truck driver who had a driver's license in California and he was in the country illegally. He has since been arrested. Delilah Coleman. She was in the hospital for over a month. It was a multi car pile up last June. She's still struggling with recovery. There is a GoFundMe to help cover rehabilitation and therapy costs. And there are a lot of them. They have two other young children. But interestingly this father was on. He said he has tried multiple times to reach out to the governor's office and not even a recognition that he's trying to reach out to them to try to get some answers about these driver's license. And he's a truck driver himself, so help if you can. And I wish them the best, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, tonight we got a great show. Timf, Jim Florentine, Erin McGuire, Tyrus. Let's do this. Yeah, Greg. Celebrities tithing. I'm not sure this is celebrity, but over at CNN they're celebrating Watermelon week. But by feeding Brian Stelter right up at the door. If you just walk by cnn, you'll see Stelter staying there. You can just throw a melon, melon into his open mouth and he'll crunch it right before your eyes. Look at him.

[Dana Perino]

Aww.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He is adorable when he gets a haircut.

[Dana Perino]

So petty.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Everything. Everything in the stable is ugly.

[Jesse Waters]

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