Portnoy Ditches The Dems

Summary

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The Five – "Portnoy Ditches The Dems"

FOX News Podcasts | November 17, 2025
Panelists: Jesse Watters (Host), Kayleigh McEnany, Harold Ford Jr., Dana Perino, Greg Gutfeld

Overview

This episode of The Five zeros in on the Democratic Party's struggles to connect with young men—sparked by media mogul Dave Portnoy's disillusionment with Democrats. The panel debates cultural shifts, masculinity in politics, demographic trends among voters, and recent news on the Epstein files. They also cover protest antics outside ICE facilities and discuss Michelle Obama's remarks about sexism and the American presidency.

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Key Discussion Topics and Insights

1. Dave Portnoy & The Democrats' "Man Problem"

Segment starts at [01:04]

Main Points:

• Dave Portnoy's Critique: The Barstool Sports founder bailed on Democrats, saying the party alienates "normal guys" and traditional masculinity.
• Male Alienation: Panel explores how young men feel labeled as “toxic” simply for enjoying traditional activities or wanting to succeed, leading to a loss of Democratic support.
• Cultural Shifts: Greg Gutfeld and Dana Perino argue the culture now demonizes traits and interests historically valued among men—like competitiveness, family-raising, and ambition.
• Political Communication & Policy: Harold Ford Jr. and Kayleigh McEnany stress Democrats need effective policies and better communication, not just new spokespersons.
• Rise of Podcasts: Kayleigh points to Trump's success with young men partially due to appearing on populist podcasts, attracting audiences disenchanted with mainstream liberal figureheads.

Notable Quotes:

• Greg Gutfeld [03:43]:

  "We don’t mind being the butt of jokes... but when you start calling us evil, we’ll show our way out."

• Dana Perino [06:05]:

  "White men became the scapegoat for everybody's grievances and where that only leads to problems. Not only did the Democrats lose white men, but so did corporate America."

• Kayleigh McEnany [09:36]:

  "They’re out there trying to say, ‘let’s have a liberal Rogan...’ The key is not finding a liberal Joe Rogan. The key is changing policies."

Memorable Moments:

• Lighthearted ribbing over alcohol as social lubricant ([09:20]), and a deeper debate about teaching young men confidence without substances ([12:09]).

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2. Epstein Files, Dems on Defense

Segment starts at [14:21]

Main Points:

• Trump Calls for Epstein Files' Release: Trump reverses his prior stance, urging full transparency while emphasizing Democrats' alleged connections.
• Leaked Communications: Accusations surface that Rep. Stacy Plaskett was communicating with Jeffrey Epstein about political strategies during a 2019 hearing, drawing media scrutiny.
• Panel Skepticism: Jesse Watters and Kayleigh McEnany downplay any alleged Trump link, but predict damaging revelations for some Democrats and institutions, pointing to past donations and associations.
• Media Spin: Greg Gutfeld claims the media will exploit any ambiguity in the files to attempt guilt by association for Trump or Republicans.

Notable Quotes:

• Jesse Watters [16:13]:

  "You can’t release everything. A lot of it’s... classified national security. But whatever’s out so far is already no smoking gun."

• Greg Gutfeld [20:47]:

  "A Democrat congresswoman was being prepped in real time by a convicted sexual predator in a hearing... If this were Republican, it would be worse than Watergate, 9/11, and Iran-Contra tied together."

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3. ICE Protests—‘Sweating Out the Fascists’

Segment starts at [25:39]

Main Points:

• Aerobics as Protest: Demonstrators outside a Portland, OR ICE facility don 80s leotards and perform group aerobics—targeted at stopping ICE detentions.
• Seriousness vs. Silliness: Panel mocks the effectiveness, with Gutfeld noting he prefers silly protest theater to violence, but critiques its detachment from real immigration issues.
• Enforcement Policy: Jesse Watters discusses deportations, migration rates, and the need for tough action; Harold Ford Jr. acknowledges the right to peaceful protest but prioritizes the removal of violent criminal aliens.
• Disconnect: Dana Perino laments that outlandish protests do more to spotlight activists than help immigrants truly in need.

Notable Quotes:

• Greg Gutfeld [27:29]:

  "This is more about the protester than the protest. These are not serious people... they don’t have practical answers to social and economic consequences."

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4. Michelle Obama & The "Sexism" Claim

Segment starts at [32:25]

Main Points:

• Obama’s Claim: Michelle Obama says America isn’t mature enough for a woman president; panel reacts with incredulity, saying previous female candidates fell short on merit, not due to sexism.
• Challenging the Narrative: Panelists argue the country is ready for a woman leader if the candidate inspires confidence—highlights leadership examples from other nations.
• Perception & Politics: Jesse Watters and others criticize Obama as a "whiner," suggesting her stance is out-of-touch and lacks substantive policy positions.

Notable Quotes:

• Dana Perino [33:38]:

  "Give us someone to root for. Give us somebody who isn’t on the wrong side of every issue."

• Kayleigh McEnany [37:57]:

  "Give America a Margaret Thatcher and I think you will see a woman get elected. The problem has been the quality of the candidates, not the gender of the candidate."

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5. "Fastest"—Bill Ackman's Dating Advice

Segment starts at [39:18]

Main Points:

• Ackman's Advice: Billionaire Bill Ackman suggests men should simply ask, "May I meet you?" in person to move beyond online conversations.
• Panel Reactions: The group mocks the formality of the line, joking its awkwardness could scare women off. Gutfeld points out Ackman’s privilege by virtue of his status and looks.
• Connection to Earlier Topics: Dana ties this back to the broader issue of young male social skills in the digital age.
• Consensus: Despite some laughs, the core advice—have real, face-to-face conversations and accept rejection—is seen as sound.

Notable Quotes:

• Greg Gutfeld [40:34]:

  "A serial killer acts subservient, right? ... If a guy is like, 'may I meet you?' That means he’s got a crawl space with your name on it."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Portnoy & Young Men: [01:04] – [13:10]
• Epstein Files Discussion: [14:21] – [23:14]
• ICE Protesters: [25:39] – [31:34]
• Michelle Obama & Sexism: [32:25] – [38:21]
• Bill Ackman Dating Advice: [39:18] – [41:41]

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Memorable Moments & Panel Banter

• Greg Gutfeld's Satirical Jabs:

  "If the Rockettes called me and said, come over, we’re hot tubbing, I’d say, I don’t know, can you come over? I have a tub." ([03:13])

• Jesse on Gender Politics:

  "I'm still not ready to vote for a woman." ([38:21])
  (Delivering the line deadpan, drawing laughter for undercutting the seriousness of the previous discussion.)

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Conclusion

This episode underscores a recurring theme on The Five—culture war anxieties and shifting political allegiances, especially among young men, in the wake of changing norms and identity politics. The panel offers a mixture of heated analysis, satire, and personal anecdotes, ultimately urging political parties to focus on substantive, broadly appealing policies rather than media strategies or identity-based messaging.

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Transcript

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Hello everybody, I'm jesse waters along with kayleigh mcenany, harold ford jr, dana perino and greg gutfeld. It's five o' clock in new york city and this is the five. Democrats who shamed young men as too toxic and manly are now getting roasted by the granddaddy of sports Bro culture. Barstool Sports founder Dave Portnoy explains why he bailed on the Dems.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Listen, what happened to the Democrats? Why did they lose so many young men? Generally they were very anti normal guys. Like if there's. What do you mean normal guys? It's okay. There's only one way to be a guy if that girl's hot. Hey, that girl's hot. I want drink. I want a party. I like frat parties. I like that. That was all bad.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The white guy. And this sounds. But was the bad guy became the bad guy. And there's a lot of, you know, white dudes who are like, well I'm not the bad guy. Like what are you getting mad at me for?

[Jesse Watters]

I wasn't here for desperately hunting for a dose of Joe Rogan style manosphere magic. But all they can get are lawmakers like this 82 year old purple haired congresswoman who calls herself the ranking rizzler. According to a new report by NBC, Democratic operatives are working on how to renew the party's appeal to young men. One strategist says this I don't think that there is a lack of popularity with Democratic policies. It's a lack of the ability to appropriately communicate those policies in a way that actually breaks through and resonates with these voters. Right? And now the libs are dropping life tips for dudes like how to drink.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

In my view, the worst thing that's happened to young people is the anti alcohol movement. And my point is that the risks to your 25 year old liver are. Risks are dwarfed by the risk of social, social isolation. In sum, think of all the amazing relationships you've had in your life and be honest. Did alcohol play a role? In sum, get out, drink more and make a series of bad decisions.

[Greg Gutfeld]

In my payoff.

[Jesse Watters]

Greg, you think that's good advice for young men?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't know if that was good advice, but that certainly was what I followed in my 20s. Why did I go out in my 20s? I had nothing at home. I had a TV with four channels. I had a microwave and a boombox. There was nothing, there was nothing keeping me on the sofa these days. I don't envy these young guys because you really gotta have an incentive to go outside. You can watch anything, you could play anything, you could eat anything. If the Rockettes called me and said, come over, we're hot tubbing, I'd say, I don't know, can you come over? I have a tub. Because we've all become a nation of homebodies. And I think Covid did that. But I wouldn't blame the party for this. I think there's a culture. What happens when the reigning culture decides that all the elements that make you you are toxic? If you want to be good at something, say at work, well then that requires objective measures and objectivity is bad. If you like sports that's, you know, patriarchal and competitive. You want to look good. Fitness is oppressive. You want to, you want to make money. Well, you're a greedy republican. If you want to raise a family, you hate the planet. So it's kind of no surprise that men are finding achieve replacements for achievement. Sadly not just with, you know, video games make you feel like you're doing something, but also pornography. I mean, it's like that. It's like that comes through a faucet in your house. No need to go look for reproductive potential outside when it just comes in. And men find purpose and value in things that our culture today devalues. We've elevated identities that are outside what we would call, I don't know, traditional culture. And we've denigrated the things military service, law and order, and also just raising kids, having a family. So it's kind of like guys are looking at this party and saying, you know what? You don't want me here, I'm out of here. We don't mind being the butt of jokes. We don't mind being the idiot in the sitcom, but when you start calling us evil, we'll show our way out.

[Jesse Watters]

I don't mind being the butt of jokes on this show. They were just making fun of my lack of knowledge.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't think you have a choice.

[Jesse Watters]

Winston Churchill's bathing habits. Dana, you mentor young women.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Jesse Watters]

If you were to mentor young men, what would you tell us?

[Dana Perino]

Well, actually, the last book I did, I really did try to make it for both men and women because there were young men like Johnny. When we first did the first minute mentoring thing around here, he's like, well, what about us? It was like, it's got a good point. And remember in the grievance Olympics, that was the 2020 where you had MeToo and Black Lives Matter. The very bottom of the pile were white men and they were expendable. You had major companies across the United States, like for example, Google and basically were like, white men do not need to apply here. We had the do no harm group that's down. I think they're headquartered in D.C. but they basically look across all of medical schools and that were that had illegal classified ads that they would post up or job vacancies saying white men need not apply. And this just became okay with everybody. So I'm glad that we are focusing on it. I'm glad that CBS put Dave Portnoy on to talk about it. White men became the scapegoat for everybody's grievances and where that only leads to problems. So not only do the Democrats, did the Democrats lose white men, but so did corporate America really think about what. Look what Gillette did. They actually spent money, probably millions of dollars to create a toxic masculinity campaign that basically said, we don't even want your business. We don't want you to work for us. We don't want anything to do with you. And now all of a sudden the Democrats are like, oh, shoot, now we got to get them back. But you can't just get them back by saying, oh, we want to get you back and let's go have a beer. You have to have the policy ideas that back it up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They said, oh, shoot.

[Dana Perino]

Shoot.

[Jesse Watters]

I mean, the guy that we just said, the strategist Harold, said that it wasn't really about the policies that young men love the Democrat policies. It's the message. Is that true?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't know. Good to be with you.

[Jesse Watters]

You too.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I think a couple things. I like Dave Portnoy. He's a Michigan guy, like I am. And I like that about him. I think he's onto something. There's no doubt. This last election, the last presidential race, the last two probably saw men. I think he characterized it about right. And I think Dana. Dana nailed it as well. I think Scott Galloway, I think that's his name. I find him so interesting because I do believe that we're at a critical point with young guys and young men. My son's only 10, but I try my hardest to encourage and support him and love him as I do my daughter. But I think young men, we're facing a time where this digital connection, the constant digital connection young men had, I think Greg said it very, very well at the outset about these men are isolated and lonely and disconnected and inactive. I think Scott said something about sexually inactive and socially inactive. We've got to find ways to reconnect, because I think you become more susceptible to some of this online craziness and radicalization that we see young boys, young men being gripped around. Now, the politics of it. Democrats have to understand that if you create policies that keep our cities and nations safe, keep our borders safe, create good jobs, educate our kids, and make health care affordable, you have a much better chance of winning. If you focus on the fringe issues or issues that are 1 in 2% of. We like to say 90, 10 or 95, 5 around the table, you're going to alienate voters. Now, this last election, one of the things that happened just two weeks ago was that the voters that President Trump was so successful with a year ago, including young voters and black voters and Hispanic voters and even women, when she encroached on numbers that Democrats were used to having, he got some of those numbers down. Democrats have to do more of that, but the policies are the thing. And trying to figure out if you should choose a nominee or a VP who you think is a football coach or could. That's. It's nonsense. You have to have policies, and if you have the right policies, people will flock to you. But I'm glad to hear Galloway say what he's saying. I know he's been saying it a lot, and I hope that Dave Portnoy will continue to talk about it in a way that. In the unique way that he talks about it.

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah. You were saying in the green room, Kaylee, that drinking was the key to your success.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Absolutely saying that. Yep, you caught me, Jesse. Well, in all seriousness, you guys got pummeled by young men in 2024. I mean, you did.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We just beat your tail a week.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Two weeks, ago, but let me, let.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Me, but I said 24. Y' all won, right?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

But let me cite MSNBC. You know, they're not quite right wing. MSNBC said Sheryl and Spamberger won by larger than expected margins, made gains among young men in both states. But those margins among young men were still in line with their overall margins of victory. And they should be winning young men by much more, by much greater numbers. This is a cohort. You historically have done very well, but you got pummeled in 2024. And I think the key to Trump's success was in part, the podcast strategy was a huge part of his success. They pulled 5,000 podcast listeners to these manosphere podcasters. Priorities did. And they found 66% supported President Trump. So getting out on these podcasts, three hours with Joe Rogan allowed young men to listen to him and say, oh, wait, that's not Hitler. That's not a dictator, that's not an autocrat. That's a really funny guy I happen to like who seems like me. And then they went and they flocked towards Trump. And he didn't only win white men, he made big gains with black men and young Latino men. 20 points are the gains he made with young black men, young Latino. He still lost those cohorts, but he did make gains. And the left, they're out there trying to say, like, let's have a liberal Rogan. Who's our liberal Rogan? And they have auditions for this liberal Rogan, apparently. But the key is not having a liberal Rogan, because there was a liberal Joe Rogan. His name was Joe Rogan. 2016, Joe Rogan voted for Bernie Sanders. 2020, he was a big Trump critic, but the left pushed him because of their crazy, whacked out policies. And to Donald Trump's Consc column. And Alex Brucewicz, the architect of the podcast strategy, told me all of the podcasts Trump sat with were at one point on the left. And then over the last few years, they came over, started listening to President Trump, and Trump came in and won over their audiences. So the key is not finding a liberal Joe Rogan. The key is changing policies. Can they do it? Can the left do it? I don't know.

[Dana Perino]

I'm glad you listen to me because that's possible.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That's exactly what I just said.

[Dana Perino]

You'll say that the Democrats, that Mamdani and socialists don't represent the Democratic Party.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

They don't.

[Dana Perino]

But that's where the energy is and that's where the young men are.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But Spanberger Anyway, I said exactly what you said. I don't disagree with you. I'm saying you're right. We said the same thing.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I disagree. You've won them back entirely.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, no, I didn't. I didn't say we won them back. What I said was what the reset of blacks, Hispanics, women and young voters that President Trump did so well with a year ago, Democrats brought them back. If you keep that coalition. They also said the young men we did a little bit better. But I don't deny Portnoy is right. Jesse's right and Greg is right. We've got to do better in its policies, which is all I was saying. So I agree with you. I just. You were looking at me like I was something different.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Well, I disagree about the margins of victory for Cheryl.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I know.

[Dana Perino]

Hey, am I right, Dana?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You're always Dana are wrong.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The thing is though, I have to take one issue with what Galloway is saying is that there are a lot of young people that aren't drinking anymore. And that's not a bad thing. It's great for approach anxiety, but might be maybe better. Advice from Galloway is to teach people how to be confident without alcohol. Like take a class in public speaking. People, young men need to experience embarrassment. Take the risk in being embarrassed, take a risk in being rejected. It'll roll off you that way. You don't need alcohol when you're approaching a woman.

[Dana Perino]

Okay.

[Jesse Watters]

I strongly disagree. Alcohol is a lot more fun and I'm glad white men are finally getting some respect. Coming up next, Epstein hoax just backfired big time on the Democrats.

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[Dana Perino]

Well, President Trump is calling for the release of the Epstein files after previously opposing that move. And tomorrow there's a major House vote on the subject. The president explains this. We have nothing to hide and it's time to move on from this Democrat hoax perpetrated by radical left lunatics in order to deflect from the great success of the Republican Party. And he had more to say in the Oval Office.

[Jesse Watters]

We have nothing to do with Epstein. The Democrats do. All of his friends were Democrats. All I want is, I want for.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

People to recognize a great job that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I've done on pricing, on affordability, because we brought prices way down, but they go way lower. Just a Russia, Russia, Russia hoax as.

[Jesse Watters]

It pertains to the Republicans. We'll give them everything. Sure. I would let the Senate look at it, let anybody look at it, but.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Don'T talk about it too much because.

[Jesse Watters]

Honestly, I don't want to take it away from us. It's really a Democrat problem.

[Dana Perino]

This comes as Democratic Congresswoman Stacy Plaskett of the US Virgin Islands was caught exchanging text messages with Jeffrey Epstein about how to hurt Trump during a 2019 hearing with Michael Cohen, the Washington Post, who first broke that story, matching up the timestamps of her text and video from the hearing.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Even today in a written submission that contradicted your testimony, you have suggested you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Are going to review that. Did you review, are you going to.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Review it in our next break to correct the record? Yes or no?

[Jesse Watters]

Yes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Question. You helped out the president's campaign or were involved in the campaign as a representative, as a spokesman, even in your words, Today was your idea for the.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Campaign, Mr. Weisenberg, and other individuals.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Ms. Rona, who are those individuals? Are they with the Trump Organization? Are there other people that we should be meeting with?

[Dana Perino]

And we reached out to Plasket's office. We have not gotten a response. Jesse, let's go to you first. Will this House vote and getting all of this out finally put an end to the story?

[Jesse Watters]

Never, Dana, okay?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Never.

[Jesse Watters]

Because you can't release everything. A lot of it's they're going to say national security and they'll be able to hold that back. They'll be able to argue that it's classified national security implications. You can't see. Looks like Massey just has a vendetta against Trump. You know, these margins are so small. So he just goes over to the Democrat side. You get every Democrat plus Massie and they release this thing. And so Trump's like, fine, flush it out. You want it, you got it. I'm going to give you whatever we got. It's not going to be everything, but it'll be some. Axio says whatever is out so far is already no smoking gun. There's already an email where in the email, Epstein says, quote, trump never got a massage. Epstein's lawyer says Trump was clean. Maxwell said he was clean. Not a single victim has come forward and said Donald Trump did anything. So I think we could put that to rest. If Epstein had anything, he would have blackmailed Trump in the first term, if anybody had anything. There were three elections that went through, they would have used it. Then they were making up a pee tape to blackmail him with. If they had a massage tape, that definitely would have already come out. It looks more and more like this guy was intelligence. He was an FBI informant right after the financial crisis. He's back channeling with the Russians. He's back channeling with the Saudis. He's got the former prime minister of Israel staying at his place. Michael Wolff's column that had been spiked just dropped. They have Gates over at the house. They have the head of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee over at Epstein's house, the Australian prime minister. It turns out Epstein's on the Trilateral Commission. The Trilateral Commission. I mean, Jesus, how deep does this go?

[Dana Perino]

Harold, do you think that Democrats like Plaskett, when all of this comes out, are just going to pick and choose whatever they want from this report to try to make their case?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't. I don't think they'll be able to do that. I think when you say they are going to, who is they? I'm just trying to figure out, do you mean the Justice Department or.

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah, he. In 30 days, if this passes, Justice Department's going to have to release everything. That means whatever the FBI, the Department of justice found out, they're going to have to release victim statements. Whatever is not sealed or grand jury testimony, they're going to have to release.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

So then I don't look at this politically at all. I think wherever the chips may fall, let the chips fall. President Trump campaigned on this in 2024 and a lot of his supporters in 2020 as well. And they make the case that Democrats didn't release this when Joe Biden was in office. And they're right. But now with all of the energy around this, again, this is not something I wake up thinking about. I go to bed thinking about. But the only way you're going to put it. The rest I tried to say last week was full transparency. And it seems like we're getting closer to that. And if the Congress and the Senate vote for this, hopefully the Justice Department will comply. We can get the information out. And I don't agree with what President Trump is doing on affordability, but I do agree with him. I want to get back to talking about how we can make good prices lower and make the country better.

[Dana Perino]

Well, it is interesting, Kelly, that after 40 days and 40 nights of the shutdown, this is the first order of business in Washington.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah, it is really striking. And to your point about Biden, a reporter asked Chuck Schumer, why wouldn't the Epstein files have been released in the last four years when Biden was in office? And Schumer, maybe he misheard the question, but he said that's the question every, every American is asking. What the hell is he hiding? So true. So I think Schumer misheard the question, but it is, it is a fair question. I don't think we're going to learn anything new with regard to Trump in this. The same facts that have always been out about Trump are still out. One, he kicked Epstein out of Mar? A Lago. Number two, Virginia Giuffre said over and over again, I have never seen his name anywhere. He wasn't involved in wrongdoing. Paraphrasing her, but she did say that when she was alive in a deposition. But I do think we're gonna learn new things about Democrats like Stacey Plaskett. She's coordinating with Jeffrey Epstein. I was reading the text message. Change quick. I'm up next. Tell me what that acronym means. And the acronym was rona, which was the name of Trump's assistant, but she thought it was an acronym. And then she goes on, Epstein says to her after her line of questioning, good work. So literally, here's a Democrat coordinating with Epstein. Then we learn Michael Wolff. New York Post headline, trump obsessed writer Michael Wolf encouraged Jeffrey Epstein to blackmail then presidential candidate Donald Trump Emails reveals to learn another thing about Democrats. Michael Wolf's a Democrat. Not sure if he'd say that, but he 26 times. Clinton was on the plane. Hope to learn more about that. The DNC accepting $32,000 from Epstein. The list goes on. Democrats have a lot to answer for. And I think they open a Pandora's box and we'll see what's in it.

[Dana Perino]

What will be in it, Greg?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, you know what? Every month we get a new scandal that if it were, the Republicans would have Destroyed the party. A Democrat congresswoman was being prepped in real time by a convicted sexual predator in a hearing that involved her adv. Adversaries. What? R. Kelly was busy. She couldn't get him. But I mean, if you think about, I know this is such a trite thought exercise, but if this were Republican, it would be worse than Watergate, nine, eleven and Iran Contra tied together. Cuz when you think about it, right then and there he's texting her and telling her what to do. That's a pretty big story. And what's funny about the Dems, I think, and Harold accepted, as always, they deem Trump so evil that they would be willing to collaborate with anyone, including evil people, to bring him down. Their TDS has actually turned them into the very thing they accuse him of. Their strategy is to destroy him, and that is exploiting anybody, including ones who were evil. The challenge here, and I agree with Harold, that Trump campaigned on this and he wanted this stuff out. Something's changed and it's just our awareness of how the media and the Democrats work. It's not what's in the files, it's how they will be distorted. You know, the media is saying, oh, what are you scared of this stuff? That's like a maniac on the subway saying, what are you scared of this knife for? You know, it's like we saw what you brought up, the examples of the latest emails and how they mentioned Trump in a way that vindicated him, but they turned it so that it made it look like he was guilty. It's like they redacted the name of the victim because they knew that would have vindicated him. That's some seriously dirty pool. That's like the worst you could do. I mean, it's, it's like removing evidence from a crime scene. So think about this. Let's say you're not Trump and you're in one of those emails. You may not have done anything wrong, but if you're not a friend of the media, they don't care. They're going to find the worst possible way to analyze that email. Whether you're an accountant or a doctor or a plumber, and you happen to be in one of, I don't know, hundreds of thousands of emails, I don't know how many there are. The ravenous press, they're pathetic and they're desperate for relevance, will take anybody and destroy them.

[Dana Perino]

Okay, we'll see what happens at the House vote tomorrow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We will, won't we, Dana?

[Dana Perino]

Transition, Greg.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

Right, up next, liberals are breaking a sweat 80s style to stop Trump and ice.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jesse Watters]

You know, if I were the leader of the Democratic party. Who is that again, Harold?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We don't know.

[Jesse Watters]

But if I was, I would get rid of these calisthenic people. Imagine in the civil rights era, people put on lime green leotards and started hula hooping for black people. It discredits the entire anti ICE agenda when you do stuff like this. And the ICE agenda is rolling strong. So far over 2 million illegal aliens have gone adios. That's half a million have been deported and one and a half have self deported. So they're already on track to do a pretty good job by the end of the next eight, maybe 12 years. Harold, net migration into this country is down for the first time in 50 years. Foreign people trying to get into our colleges is down 17% for last year. Wages are up. So right now we're trying to balance the community. There are 100,000 illegal aliens in Charlotte. That is a lot of illegal aliens. Now, they're all not criminals, but some of them are. And if you got to go in, you got to go in hard and you got to get them out. One of the people who was protesting wasn't wearing a leotard. A trans guy, girl who knows, assaulted a police officer, an ICE agent at a gas station and then led these guys on a high speed chase. I mean, if it's not for the ear splitting whistles, it's people punching you at a gas station.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah, the whistles. CNN did this profile, Greg, on the whistling women of Evanston, Illinois, and they take out their whistles and whistle to protect children on playgrounds. These methods of protest, I mean, wow. They say the whistle is more common than the Bears Jersey now in Chicago, according to Chicago.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Sometimes, I don't know, you know, I was looking at those, those aerobicizing people and I was just so grateful that TV isn't scratch and sniff. But to their credit, I will take this kind of like, I don't know, theater kid silliness over attempting to assassinate, you know, ICE agents any day. I mean, this is, it's, hey, it's silly. But it does show that this is more about the protester than the protest. These are not serious people. They don't have solutions that are practically, you know, practical answers to social and economic consequences called by caused by illegal immigration. They've never thought about it. Actually, they probably didn't start thinking about it until now. They are so divorced from the people that are inside these facilities. There are scores of women who have been victimized by people in those buildings. They don't know. Their risk is minimal when they're out there. If they get arrested, they'll be released a day later. I mean, one day, let them go into a facility, no supervision, and do your little exercise. You won't like it.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah, and that was the Chicago Times, not the Sun Times. But Dana, I look at these women and presumably they would be for the Trump administration doing welfare checks on the 450,000 children with unvetted sponsors.

[Dana Perino]

Well, also, if you want to put up that video again, it's not just women.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

There's a lot of men in that.

[Dana Perino]

Group, which is a little bit curious. You know what this country really needs A deep frost, the weather has been too good, and all the protests have continued. But imagine that you are somebody that's in a detention center and you think you have a good case and your hearing has been delayed over and over again because there's not enough judges and the system is overwhelmed because the worst of the worst is going first. Imagine you see this and you think, these are the people that are fighting for me. Like, that's not going to help. And then the whistle people, that's not helping either. What I think is really tragic is you see a lot of dark money that is helping funnel protest money into this, but you saw none of this money to have a demonstration, to react to the killing of Irina Zarutska, which was also in Charlotte, North Carolina. Nobody showed up for that. Her boyfriend still to this day will post and say, we haven't forgotten about you. They didn't even think about her once.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah, it's a great point. I mean, and Harold, I think some of these blue state governors, instead of joining in with these dancers, like, might say to the Trump administration, hey, we're going to help you in making contact with those lost kids of the Biden administration. They should.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I agree with. I agree with Greg wholeheartedly. I think that it's probably ridiculous what they're doing, the dancing, and it's funny and it's probably wholly ineffective, but it's not violent. And I think it's great that. I mean, I think people should be able to protest whenever they want to. I'm in the middle of watching. Just started watching Ken Burns, the documentary on American Revolution, which this is not it, but it was complicated and violent and bloody. As long as it's not bloody, I don't mind it. Where I think you're right, Katie or Kaylee is two things. One, the president at the very beginning talked about deporting violent, violent criminals. And that's what we should be doing if the next step is we are going to deport people who skip their hearing. Dana's right. There are a number of people in the country who are waiting for their asylum hearing. We don't have enough judges and infrastructure and ecosystem is not great there. But if you have skipped your hearing, you should probably, you should be deported. It would be great if the governors, whether in a blue state or red state. I thought the governor of Oklahoma, who's in a distinctly red state, said that he would not want a National Guard from a blue state coming into a red state. The red state, blue state stuff is nonsensical and relevant to me. I think these governors and mayors ought to be meeting with the president. The president ought to be saying, here's who we're going after. Can you help us identify these people? These people committed these crimes. We can't find them. These people had hearings. They skipped them. We think they could be doing something bad. Instead, you have just the fighting going on and you got the feds coming in the state and locals, and then you got people out doing horrible things, violent things. But in the scheme of things, little jazzercise versus a gunshot. I'm with the Jazzercisers.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah, well, maybe JB Pritzker will take your advice. And Gavin Newsom would love to.

[Dana Perino]

Size.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

All right, well, up next, Michelle Obama is trashing America again, claiming we are too sexist to handle a woman president.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Girl, I know the way this goes down. You slide on closer after every round. Won't be long before the truth comes out.

[Jesse Watters]

We get to party.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

We all believe in the mission. Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first. There, the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Michelle Obama says America needs to grow up before a woman could be president. As we saw in this past election.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Sadly, we ain't ready. That's why I'm like, don't even look at me about running because you all are lying.

[Jesse Watters]

You're not ready for a woman.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You are not. So don't waste my time. You know, we got a lot of.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Growing up to do.

[Dana Perino]

And there's still. I'm sadly, a lot of men who.

[Jesse Watters]

Do not feel like they can be.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Led by a woman. And we saw it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, I love this. It's like, you think you can have me. I am too good for you, America. It's like, stop it. The population of the United states is women. 50 point. What is it? 50.4% slender. But she makes. She's insulting women.

[Dana Perino]

I guess I just hope that one day we can stop disappointing Michelle and Barack Obama. We've been such a disappointment to them for so long. I was sad to hear this because every single day of that 107 day campaign, I look for something to compliment. I was looking for a way to go, wow, Kamala Harris fit. That was a good point. Well said. Amazing. Wow.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Interesting policy.

[Dana Perino]

Never once did I get the opportunity on the merits to do that, and I feel like it's insulting. Give us someone to root for. Give us somebody who isn't on the wrong side of every issue. And that wasn't just for men. I mean, she was wrong side of the border on crime, on education, and certainly on Biden's unpopularity. She couldn't even say one thing about how she would be different from Biden. And let me give you another example, Abigail Spanberger. Sorry, I'm bringing it up again. This is a person who was how many 14 points ahead in the polls when Jay Jones text came out that he wanted to murder the opposition leader. She couldn't even distance herself from him. She didn't have the wherewithal and the strength and the courage and the bravery to say, not in our party. Out. She still would have won. Yeah, but she was not able to do that. You have to look at somebody like the new prime minister of Japan and say, wow, now that woman is impressive. She is tough. The Chinese just said that they would bash her head against the Great Wall of China for supporting Taiwan, and she didn't even blink. Like, give America, men and women, someone to root for regardless of gender.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. And, I mean, it's quite a generalization, Harold, to say that America is not ready. We're ready. I mean, like, God, guys can marry each other. I mean, that's some serious stuff. I mean, if we could do that, surely a woman can be president. I mean, they're both crazy ideas, don't get me wrong.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, I think I was disappointed. And I'm a big fan of Michelle Obama. I hope at some point. I thought she should have run maybe four years ago. But I do think Dana's right. I don't know. I don't think America should feel sorry for the Obamas by any stretch of the imagination. 2. When President Obama was elected president, then a senator, there was a lot he faced. Being the first African American, he found a way to overcome it and not only win, but to win two times. I do think it's important to note that Abigail Spinberger is the first woman to be elected governor of Virginia. Mikey Sherrill is the second woman in New Jersey behind Christine Todd Whitman. And I think it's important to note that women literally just got the right to vote 100 years ago. We're going to celebrate 250 years of the country. 105 years ago, to be exact. The 21st amendment was passed. It's just. It is interesting, but I don't think that's the way to do it. And Michelle Obama, you shouldn't have given.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Him the right to vote.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Michelle Obama.

[Jesse Watters]

A lot of people are saying what.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm saying about Michelle. Harold, you were saying the first lady is so impressive on so many fronts. And I just, I hope if she gets, when she gets an opportunity, the next book outing, because I know she's promoting a book that she clarifies that a bit because, oh, she meant every word. Well, I hope I give people the benefit of that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do you think Harold was being too harsh saying women shouldn't have had the right to vote?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You were saying in the green room.

[Jesse Watters]

It was the biggest mistake this country's ever made. Yeah, yeah, we've made a lot of mistakes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We've made a lot, but everything went down hill 100 years ago.

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah, I think Michelle's running. You know, you always say that when a woman says something that she's doing, she's not doing it. So, like, she's just wishy washy. She can't figure it out. You guys know how they are. But after the podcast dropped, there's no way she could win. Cuz everybody knows she's not this sweet, sensitive, beautiful woman that the media made her out to be when she was in the White House. She's a whiner. She complains about being in the White House. She complains about her husband. She didn't even go to Jimmy Carter's funeral. And what are you talking about? She could win. What are Michelle Obama's positions on the East Asian US Policy? What are her tax positions? What does she think about the border? What does she think about the carried interest loophole? I mean, she doesn't know anything about anything. Let's be honest. France has never had a female president. Is France not evolved? A majority of countries have in the world have never had a female president. That's okay. All right. I don't like how Michelle Obama and a lot of these feminists feel like they're competing against men. We're not competing against women. They always think they're competing against us. We love you guys. We think you're beautiful and we want to work together. It's not a competition.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Look, I mean, I do think women face challenges who run for president that men do not face. There are extra challenges. But to suggest that it's a sexist reason. We haven't had one. No. We were just given two women who were bad choices. Hillary Clinton had a huge trust deficit. Kamala Harris had a huge competency problem. But give America a Margaret Thatcher and I think you will see a woman get elected. The problem has been the quality of the candidates, not the gender of the candidate.

[Jesse Watters]

I'm still not ready to vote for a woman.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Very good for Michelle.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Thank you. Jesse, for undermining everything you just said.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

All right, fastest. Up next, Joking.

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

Welcome back. Billionaire Bill Ackman getting mocked after dishing out, I think, unfairly, some dating advice for young men who find it hard to meet women in real life because of Internet culture. He said, quote, I would ask, may I meet you before engaging further in the conversation. Almost never got a no. Jess said you had a strong reaction if you were talking about this during break.

[Jesse Watters]

I think he was talking about when you're talking to a woman online, and instead of just going down a dumb rabbit hole with some girl you've never smelled, you need to say, can we get together for coffee or a drink?

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's. That's not the. What it was.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You think it was something different?

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, he was walking up. Of course you would say, how else would you do it online? You say like, okay, you always ask. That's.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, you're wrong.

[Jesse Watters]

I'll tell you how you do it. All that I know is that you d d and then she comes right to your apartment.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He was talking.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We did a referee here. Dana, you had a thought about this?

[Dana Perino]

I think that Greg is correct, that basically he's. He's giving good advice.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

If you go back to our first.

[Dana Perino]

Blog about young men and how it's. You got to go out and sometimes you might get rejected. He's giving you advice as to how to approach a woman.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But it's a terrible sentence.

[Jesse Watters]

Doesn't make any sense grammatically.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How would you. Okay, so how would you say slogan for Arby's?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

How would you say I meet you? You're already. Yeah, he meant in person, though.

[Greg Gutfeld]

In person it sounds subservient, too. It's like if you. Let's say this.

[Dana Perino]

Exactly. Great.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, you don't want to subservient. You want. Okay. A serial killer acts subservient, right? No, no, no. This is a very good point. When somebody approaches you at a bar and they're very Loose and happy. It's because they don't have a secret life they're trying to hide from you. It's like, hey, babe, let's go. Let's go hop in my car and go out to the bridge. That's normal. But if a guy is like, may I meet you? That means he's got a crawl space with your name on it.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah. Or maybe he's a little NER and from Silicon Valley.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Kayla, your thoughts on this?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I'm a sucker for good grammar. I love Bill Ackman's tweets. Love them. Literally. Like, I diagram the sentences. Not really, but they're very good. But if someone came up and said, may I meet you? Yes, Greg, I would think that's like very much serial killer. And back in my young single days, I would have fled as fast as I could.

[Jesse Watters]

That's why it doesn't make sense. So much sense that it doesn't make. He can't mean in person.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

He's a good guy with good grammar.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Dana had it right. This is the back to the first segment. This is what this is about. People need to have face to face conversation. I think that's what he was trying to say.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But do you want to get advice from a 6 foot 3 good looking billionaire who could basically go and a chick will still jump on his yacht? Wow.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

One more thing is up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't know, I just.

[Jesse Watters]

There is nothing that is wrong.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jesse Watters]

Time now for one more thing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Greg, we got a great show tonight. It's a cat. Timf. Michael. Loftus. Michael. Malice. Tyrus 2. Michaels. Let's do this. Greggs. How many otters? All right, start the first tape, please. All right, there they are. They're in there. How many otters are in that basket, Kaylee?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

5.

[Greg Gutfeld]

5.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

6.

[Greg Gutfeld]

6.

[Jesse Watters]

10.

[Greg Gutfeld]

10.

[Dana Perino]

8.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

8.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Unleash the otters with a countdown.

[Dana Perino]

That is a loud sound.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Everything is loud to you.

[Dana Perino]

Yes. Whoa. Seven. Come on. Come on.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm not gonna win.

[Dana Perino]

Come on.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Come on.

[Jesse Watters]

Does that count? I win.

[Greg Gutfeld]

6.

[Jesse Watters]

Finally, I win one of these.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Take that, Harold.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know what you get, don't you?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Win.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Maybe after the show, I'll show you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm gonna donate it to charity.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You can't donate this.

[Jesse Watters]

You get an honor. You guys are sick. I paid for drinks and appetizers for the Five Step. Dana inspired me. Dana did this. And I said, did Greg do this? And they said, no. And I said, I'm doing it just to make Greg look bad.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Did you go?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Where is that?

[Jesse Watters]

This is at Langan's. Did you go 20 to 30 drinks.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Did I did not go okay.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I went okay.

[Jesse Watters]

Because I have a show at 8. I can't drink before the show. On my Geraldo. Tonight, Jesse Waters primetime. New details on the Trump shooter's computer.

[Dana Perino]

Let me go fast. Dana's baby brigade. Don't show it. Dove Heskrohn has joined us. She was born November 10th to Charlie and Chuck.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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