Race Against The Clock

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five – “Race Against The Clock”

Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Jillian Turner, Kayleigh McEnany, Kennedy, Jesse Watters, Greg Gutfeld
Guest/Correspondent: Jonathan Hunt

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Overview

This episode of "The Five" pivots around urgent developments in the Nancy Guthrie kidnap-for-ransom case, the surging anti-ICE and sanctuary campus protests across the U.S., and cultural/political debates gripping the country. The hosts debate heated current issues with their usual irreverent rapport, offer pointed analysis, and highlight breaking information.

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Main Topics and Key Discussion Points

1. Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping – Escalating Ransom Crisis

[01:12–04:41, 15:08–28:24]

• Situation Update: Jonathan Hunt reports from Tucson as the search for Nancy Guthrie reaches day six. A new, potentially consequential ransom deadline is approaching. Authorities are in near-total silence publicly.
  • "[There is] almost complete silence from the sheriff's office ... very little investigative activity that we have seen..." (Jonathan Hunt, [01:47])
• Details of Ransom Notes: The investigation revolves around the authenticity and intentions behind several emailed ransom notes, some of which were sent to media outlets (TMZ, local stations KOLD and KGUN).
  • Harvey Levin (via Greg) notes that the “return radius” described in a note is vast—a detail that doesn't actually narrow the search.
    • "This is Tucson right here... this red circle, that is the radius of the maximum amount of time it would take to get her back to Tucson. All around this circle." (Greg Gutfeld/Harvey Levin, [02:53])
  • A damaged floodlight at the Guthrie home is being considered as possibly relevant to note authentication.
• Family and Investigation: Authorities have not confirmed the last person to see Nancy; investigations include neighborhood canvassing.
• Breaking Update: During the show, news breaks that a new message has been received and is being vetted for authenticity. This could signal movement or a response to public pleas for proof of life.
  • "This is the first time outside a press conference we've gotten a breaking development... makes it seem as if maybe there's a response to that inquiry about the ransom." (Kayleigh McEnany, [15:45])
• Ransom Communication Methods: All notes so far have been via untraceable email; the FBI continues to analyze for connections and authenticity.
  • "All the messages received so far...were all sent via email, and it was an untraceable email address..." (Jonathan Hunt, [18:28])
• Skepticism about Motives: The unusual step of sending ransom notes to media is discussed.
  • "It makes it really hard to pay a ransom when you make it that public. That's why I think this is a red herring." (Jesse Watters, [22:44])
  • The possibility of imposters or hoaxes is considered, as is the notion that sending to media might be due to a lack of personal contact info for the Guthrie family.
• Optimism, Anxiety, and Hope:
  • "This is the best development that we've had so far. And it gives you hope that Ms. Guthrie might be alive..." (Greg Gutfeld, [20:01])

2. Anti-ICE Protests & Sanctuary Campus Demonstrations

[04:41–14:15]

• Events in NYC & Minneapolis: Protests escalate outside Columbia University and in Minneapolis, including roadblocks and civil disobedience aimed at impeding ICE agents.
• Columbia University’s Shift:
  • Turner laments radical changes at her alma mater, noting an absence of anti-Semitism during her time and greater inclusion of Israeli students.
    • "Things have changed." (Jillian Turner, [06:37])
  • Gutfeld argues that a radical faction has eroded Columbia’s reputation.
    • "Now there's this hardcore radical hostile faction that has destroyed the reputation of the university." (Greg Gutfeld, [07:12])
    • He further blames “a hardcore group of women” who “don’t love men, they don’t love America… sometimes I wish they could find Jesus.”
• Minneapolis ‘Border’ Tactics: Gutfeld satirically likens protesters’ creation of neighborhood checkpoints to pretend border agents, highlighting the irony.
  • "They're now enforcing a border and have checkpoints about who they can let in and who they can't..." ([08:32])
• Political Analysis:
  • Kayleigh argues that Democrats face a political conflict between their core base (anti-ICE) and the broader Democratic electorate, which is not supportive of abolishing ICE.
  • The imminent DHS funding deadline and internal party tensions are cited.
    • "There is a wing of Chuck Schumer's party... that is saying, we want the cessation of ICE operations entirely..." (Kayleigh McEnany, [09:41])

3. High School Protests and Education Concerns

[10:52–14:16]

• School Walkouts: Turner worries about impact of protests on struggling high schools with abysmal academic performance and rampant absenteeism.
  • "They really need to invert some of those scores ... What they really don't need to be doing... is letting kids out of school and encouraging them to protest..." (Kennedy, [11:11])
• Broader ‘Indoctrination’ Claims: Watters and Gutfeld liken campus activism to “brain-snatching,” arguing protests are now targeting students at younger ages, laying groundwork for lifelong activism.
  • "They're going after these kids and they're intercepting them before they ever get to make a decision about their lives." (Jesse Watters, [13:14])
  • Gutfeld calls protestors “human car alarms,” set off with a single disruptive function.

4. Democratic Party Culture Debates (and Litmus Tests)

[29:13–36:36]

• James Carville’s Criticism: Hosts discuss Carville’s complaints that Democratic culture has become “very feminized and very judgmental,” pushing men away.
  • "Democratic culture became very feminized and very judgmental and that is why we push so many of these males away." (Greg Gutfeld quoting Carville, [29:33])
• Questionnaire ‘Industrial Complex’: Focus on the burdens of advocacy group questionnaires for Democratic candidates; some see potential value in vetting substance.
• Woke Litmus Test Issues: Discussion about how questions on gender identity and related issues confound candidates.
  • "A good credible news organization will make one of the questions... 'can a man become a woman? Raise your hand if the answer is yes.' ...Axios asked 20 Democrats; only three answered." (Kayleigh McEnany, [34:54])

5. Super Bowl Goes ‘Maha’ (Health & Weight-Loss Theme in Ads)

[37:19–40:28]

• Ad Shifts: Panel jokes about this year’s Super Bowl ad trend—less junk food, more health/weight-loss products, GLP-1 drugs, fiber sodas, prostate screening, etc.
  • "Super bowl is turning into Fox. You know, who got there first with relaxium and super beets and super Beta prostate?" (Jesse Watters, [38:12])
• Nostalgia for Super Bowl Gluttony: Panelists argue some holidays—like the Super Bowl—should be “carved out” for indulgence.
  • "There has to be days that are carved out to gluttonously eat my five Crunchwrap Supremes... I want to see the Pizza Hut going like this with those beautiful little brown dots on the cheese." (Kayleigh McEnany, [39:36])

6. Lighter Segments & Banter

[40:51–46:08]

• Returning to Childhood Homes: Each host shares anecdotes about revisiting (or not) their childhood home; humorous and sentimental moments.
• Quick Hits: Jokes about Real Housewives, babies with hair extensions, winter ice boating, and “Teletubby” outfits for Russian ice floating.
  • "I try to get a prostate exam every day, usually downstairs." (Jesse Watters, [38:05])
• Show Plugs: Promotions for their other FOX News programs.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Columbia’s Radicalization:
  • "Now there's this hardcore radical hostile faction that has destroyed the reputation of the university." – Greg Gutfeld ([07:12])
• On Modern Protests:
  • "If you have a sanctuary city or neighborhood. They're now enforcing a border and have checkpoints...I don't think they understand the irony." – Greg Gutfeld ([08:32])
• On Indoctrination in Schools:
  • "They're going after these kids and they're intercepting them before they ever get to make a decision about their lives." – Jesse Watters ([13:14])
• On the Proof-of-Life Hope:
  • "This is the best development that we've had so far...it gives you hope that Ms. Guthrie might be alive..." – Greg Gutfeld ([20:01])
• On Democratic Woes:
  • "Democratic culture became very feminized and very judgmental and that is why we push so many of these males away." – Greg Gutfeld quoting James Carville ([29:33])
• On Super Bowl Food:
  • "There has to be days that are carved out to gluttonously eat my five Crunchwrap Supremes... while drinking IPAs and chugging them." – Kayleigh McEnany ([39:36])

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Key Timestamps

• [01:12–04:41]: Initial deep-dive into Nancy Guthrie's case.
• [15:08–28:24]: Breaking news and analysis of the new ransom message.
• [04:41–09:41]: Anti-ICE protests and Columbia debate.
• [10:52–14:16]: High school protest segment.
• [29:13–36:36]: Carville quote/party culture litmus test discussion.
• [37:19–40:28]: Super Bowl ad ‘Maha’ (wellness) segment.
• [40:51–46:08]: Lighter “one more thing” banter.

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Conclusion

“Race Against The Clock” mixes fast-breaking developments in a high-profile kidnapping with debates over political culture, protest movements, and American cultural touchstones like the Super Bowl. With a blend of hard news, hot-take banter, and humor, the episode offers both insight and entertainment, anchored by the hosts' dynamic chemistry and distinctive perspectives.

For listeners eager for in-depth updates on the Nancy Guthrie situation or a sense of the national conversation on activism, party politics, and pop culture, this episode delivers a lively, informative ride.

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[Jillian Turner]

Hello everyone. I'm jillian turner along with kayleigh mcenany kennedy, jess waters and greg gutfeld. It is five o' clock here in new york city. This is the five. It's a race against the clock now, the search for Nancy Guthrie entering day six with another major ransom deadline reportedly coming up Monday. This allegedly a deadline that comes with some more serious consequences. Jonathan Hunt in Tucson with new details this hour. Jonathan, what can you tell us?

[Jonathan Hunt]

Gillian, almost complete silence from the sheriff's office which we're standing in front of right now today. And very little investigative activity that we have seen on the ground anywhere at Nancy Guthrie's house or at any other location today. And I think that speaks to the idea that the focus now is really on trying to figure out what is happening with these ransom notes. Are they 1 or 2, 100% real? And if so, how do the Guthrie family and investigators reach out to those kidnappers? That's what they're trying to do is establish some form of contact beyond the notes they've already received. As for those notes, we know that TMZ and Harvey Levin received one of them. Harvey was going through what he said was a timeframe in which the kidnapper or kidnappers were promised to return Nancy Guthrie if the ransom was paid. And TMZ put together a kind of radius that that might be given that time frame. Listen here to Harvey Levin of tmz.

[Greg Gutfeld]

In the letter it says they would return her back to Tucson So they also give a time frame of how long it would take after they received the money to return her to Tucson. Based on this time frame in the letter and the fact that she would be returned back to Tucson. Here's the way it looks. If you look, this is Tucson right here. If you look at this red circle, that is the radius of the maximum amount of time it would take to get her back to Tucson. All around this circle.

[Jonathan Hunt]

That radius, by the way, includes literally millions of square miles. Also mentioned, according to the FBI in the ransom notes, were floodlights at Nancy Guthrie's home. Our drone team were able to zoom in today on one particular floodlight next to a back door of Nancy Guthrie's property, a white floodlight. You can see there that it appears to be badly damaged. Another thing that we wanted to point out to you guys is some door knocking that was being done by investigators in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood just yesterday. Now, that may or may not be significant, but it struck us because the sheriff is still not willing to tell us whether it was Annie Guthrie or her husband Tomasso, who dropped Nancy Guthrie off at her home on Saturday night, therefore, the last person to see Nancy Guthrie. So we're waiting to find out what those investigators may have gleaned from that door knocking. So that is possibly another significant investigative thread that they're trying to unpick here, guys.

[Jillian Turner]

All right, Jonathan Hunt in Tucson for us this evening. Thank you. We're also tracking this. Anti ICE protests broke out today right here in New York City. Arrests outside Columbia University after protesters blocked traffic for about an hour, demanding the Ivy League school declare itself a, quote, sanctuary campus against ice. Meanwhile, in Minneapolis, protesters there have been setting up roadblocks, checkpoints, barricading off streets, all in an attempt to keep ICE agents at bay.

[Kennedy]

We are literally creating a place that.

[Jonathan Hunt]

We know who's coming and going in.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

And out of our neighborhoods in the middle of the road at 32nd and Cedar Avenue.

[Kennedy]

And a makeshift roadblock turned this intersection into a roundabout. Cars slowed as drivers noticed.

[Jillian Turner]

Some honked, others asked questions, and one.

[Kennedy]

Man brought food for the people standing watch. But Minneapolis police stepped in, clearing the roadblock.

[Jillian Turner]

Residents say the roadblock was necessary.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

We need to keep our neighbors safe, so we will be doing this again.

[Jillian Turner]

All right, Jesse. Greg is desperate to talk about Kyle Wagner, who was arrested in Minneapolis. But we're going to start right here in New York City. You're going to have to hold that thought.

[Jesse Waters]

Thanks.

[Jillian Turner]

You're welcome. What's going on at Columbia? It's my Alma mater disclosure.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow, that figures.

[Jesse Waters]

Only takes you a few minutes. Excuse me.

[Jillian Turner]

It figures. I will tell you one thing. There was no anti Semitism on that campus when I went there. The school went out of its way to create an entire program called the School of General Studies intended to recruit non traditional students that was made up of like 75% Israeli students who started college later because they had to serve military service before they came here. And the program was geared towards that.

[Kennedy]

That's what non trads are.25 plus.

[Jillian Turner]

Things have changed.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. I mean sometimes I wish we had mandatory military service. Greg would have served. He would have understood what it would have been like to hold a weapon and do push ups. Maybe had his head shaved. But it.

[Jesse Waters]

Why is everybody picking on me?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Because you're an idiot, Greg. And you look like you belong in a catalog for sheep.

[Jillian Turner]

I was gonna say I'm picking on you cause you're wearing mohair more.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Prof. Are we on television right now?

[Jesse Waters]

I don't know, man. You guys show down.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I mean it can't get any lower than its been in a long time. The Columbia situation. I feel sad because it used to be a great school and you used to want to send your students there, but now there's this hardcore radical hostile faction that has destroyed the reputation of the university. And that's why a lot of parents are now sending their kids to the sec. Because even if it's an Ivy, you don't want to go anywhere near this place. Because some of these women are actually dangerous. Yes, there are some great professors, yes, there's some bright kids there.

[Jonathan Hunt]

But.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But there is a hardcore group of women there that are making everyone's lives miserable. And I wish I could help them. I wish I had the time to help them. It's a big time commitment to sit them down and explain the definition of patriotism. What it's like to love another person. They don't love men, they don't love America. And these are lost souls. And sometimes I wish they could find Jesus. Sometimes I wish they had a boyfriend. Other times I'd maybe suggest exercise or having a drink. But these are things that I can't concern myself with. Everybody has their own struggle. The other thing that's going on in Minneapolis is that it's now like arts and crafts. We've now moved from an actual, almost teetering into sending in the National Guard to hangers on. Now these are women that are playing dress up. This is a fantasy. They are now pretending to be border patrol agents because if you Have a sanctuary city or neighborhood. They're now enforcing a border and have checkpoints about who they can let in and who they can't let in. I don't think they understand the irony of what's going on, but it's become now a little pathetic and. And I feel sorry for these people. Which is why we're gonna be taking our show on the road. Jesse Waters, primetime. We'll be going to Minneapolis next week. Come on.

[Kennedy]

Wonderful.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Why don't you believe me?

[Jillian Turner]

No, I do, but you're supposed to only promo yourself in the last block.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, no, we promote ourselves constantly on the show.

[Jillian Turner]

Kayleigh, what do you make about these sort of. I mean, I hesitate to call them vigilante. Right. Cuz that infers some kind of violence. I don't know what these people who are setting up the Barri barricades are doing, but it is certainly a more aggressive tactic, more in line with things that we saw in Seattle.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

It is, yeah, if you're in good company. I went to Harvard Law School, so, you know, we've had our fair share of protests still, our fair share of acrimony with the legally blind, based on your experience. But look, what I make of it is this. The left has a problem. I think conventional wisdom is that the right is on their back foot on the issue of immigration. And yes, there's polls that people can point to, but when I look beyond the polls and just use common sense, the left has a problem. Look, the left could take a victory lap now. They could say ICE is out of Maine. You know, Senator Susan Collins spoke with the administration. They're out of Maine. They've been winded down in Minnesota, 700 agents out. Tom Homan's taken over. They could say we've gotten wins and now it's time to move forward to the midterms, but they're not doing that. You have these protests happening, you have arrests, you have people laying down in roads. And the next 10 days are going to be very telling because in about 10 days is when that DHS funding deal expires. And there is a wing of Chuck Schumer's party that is saying, we want the cessation of ICE operations entirely. And Chuck Schumer's internal polling, it's been widely reported, shows that while their base is critical of ice, why most Democrats are critical of ice, they do not want abolishing ice, but they have a base that's demanding it. And this is a political problem going into the midterms.

[Jillian Turner]

Kennedy, another problem that people are picking up on here is amid the nationwide scale protests, there are a lot of high schools that are encouraging students to do these walkouts. And a lot of them that are participating the most, turns out, are doing abysmally academically.

[Kennedy]

I think you're talking specifically about North Central in Indianapolis and Roosevelt in Chicago, where the English proficiency and literacy rate is around 24%. Math proficiency not doing a lot better there. It's around 7%, 7, 8% at both schools. And absentee at the Chicago school is around 70%. So they really need to invert some of those scores if they want to see some academic progress. That's me as a layperson giving them a little bit of education advice. What they really don't need to be doing necessarily is letting kids out of school and encouraging them to protest when they already have such rampant absenteeism. What they could do is have students talk about this in a civics class or an AP history class and they could have discussions about this. They could also be forced to take the opposite side of what they believe and try and argue it from the government's perspective. Sometimes when you do that, it actually bolsters your arguments. Unfortunately, these educators and administrators, they are so hung up on being liked like these mayors are in places like Seattle and Minneapolis and Portland that they are being led by the mob. It's no different in these high schools. And in the process, instead of educating, they're doing them a massive disservice.

[Jillian Turner]

Greg, now you can finally talk about Kyle Wagner.

[Jesse Waters]

I don't know who you're talking about, to be honest.

[Jillian Turner]

A guy who was arrested in Minneapolis.

[Jesse Waters]

I want to, I want to touch on what Kennedy's saying because I think that this is the scariest part of this whole phenomenon. We just caught on and we knew, but America kind of caught on that the college campuses were the ground zero for anti Western, anti American activism. So what happened? They moved it up to high schools. You start having these walkouts and there's this indoctrination going on where they're teaching kids at an early age to become long term organizers. So they get swallowed up by the chants, they fall in love with the attention. They get to do speeches. They are no longer. It's not just about classroom stuff. They're no longer curious about life. Like to them, this is so much more interesting than any hobby or any musical instrument or any language that they could learn. So it actually, it's funny, you know, we've talked about the trance thing. You know, those were the body snatchers now it's the Brain Snatchers. They're going after these kids and they're intercepting them before they ever get to make a decision about their lives. And it used to be when your kids went to college, you would go, okay, this is a phase. But what happens if it's in high school? The Columbia sanctuary thing is interesting because, you know, they still get 1.1 billion from the government. So for projects, education, infrastructure, just take it away if you want. If you don't want to act like a normal person, we're not going to treat you like a normal person. Pull all that money. I think I could. I could get from Jesse that he's bored by this topic.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How did you know?

[Jonathan Hunt]

Because you.

[Jesse Waters]

Because you were. But the point is, what you're. What you're showing is that it's because the agitators themselves have become boring. They've turned into one long sound. It's like. It's like somebody who is laying on the horn and it's like this non conscious thinking. It's just somebody laying on the horn and everybody's tired of it. And I go back, I said it to yesterday. The agitator only has one function and that is to disrupt. The issue itself is irrelevant. But the people that you target, whether it is an ICE agent or somebody who's running a yoga studio, they have all these functions that they gotta deal with. So it's really easy to screw them up just by laying on the horn or screen screaming. It's a single function action, like a car alarm. These are human car alarms. And that's why you're bored and that's why you secretly love me.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jesse, I do love you.

[Jillian Turner]

I also. You're lucky, because apparently we have some breaking news I am learning in my earpiece breaking just a moment ago. The Pima County Sheriff's Office says now there is a new message regarding Nancy Guthrie. They are actively inspecting the information for its authenticity. Not much more detail than that at this moment, but let's take it around the table, get some quick response. Kaylee, we were talking a moment ago of how it seems like things are. Everything is changing in this investigation. We hear one thing and then the next day the polar opposite.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

I think this is incredibly significant. This is the first time outside of a press conference we've gotten a breaking development. We have heard the sheriff come out and back down various theories to help with the investigation. This is the first time we're learning about a message verifying its authenticity that makes it seem as if maybe there's a response to that inquiry about the ransom? We'll see.

[Jillian Turner]

I believe that we have Jonathan back with us. Jonathan Hunt, he's in Tucson on the ground. Can you tell us anything about this message?

[Jonathan Hunt]

All we know at this point, Gillian, is the confirmation from the sheriff's office here, Pima County Sheriffs, which we're at right now, is that they are, quote, aware of this message and they are actively looking into it. They're trying to establish its authenticity. A lot of questions. Obviously, one, and a very important question will be, is this message from the same person or persons as the previous messages? The three ransom notes that were sent to TMZ and two local TV stations, Is it from the same person? They'll be able to look at the content of this message and look at things like the writing style, etc. See if there are similarities. They'll obviously be looking at the email address, although that may have been changed. If this person or persons are trying to cover their tracks, obviously. So there's a lot they'll want to look at. Now, what we and the Guthrie family certainly would hope is that this new message, if it is authentic, is a response to those video pleas we've seen from the Guthrie siblings, Savannah, Annie and Cameron, for the kidnapper or kidnappers to get in touch directly with them and to send proof of life to show them the family that Nancy Guthrie is alive, that these people or this person has Nancy Guthrie, and that they are genuinely those who have her right now and can therefore return her. So they'll be looking at this very closely. Now, given that the sheriff's office has put out this announcement that they are aware of this message, we would expect more detail from them soon. But this is clearly potentially, and I have to emphasize potentially there a very significant development if it is a response to those pleas to show proof of life. Gillian.

[Kennedy]

Jonathan, it's Kennedy. I have a quick question. What form are these messages taking? Are they handwritten? Are they electronic? What do we know about them?

[Jonathan Hunt]

All the messages received so far, and remember, they have not been completely 100% authenticated. So up until now. But the three ransom notes were all sent via email, and it was an untraceable email address, or at least untraceable in the early going. The FBI obviously has a lot they can bring to bear here. They may be able to track down the source. But on the initial look at that, it was an untraceable email. We assume that this new message is also sent by email. We don't have that confirmed by the Sheriff Yet. But the very fact, I think that they are putting out an announcement saying, we are aware of a message. If it came in and was clearly another evil kind of hoax message, I don't think they would have bothered to put out a notice to all of us saying, we are aware of a new message. So it would seem there are maybe some indications that this is from the same person or persons. And clearly they are looking at it very seriously. As they've said all along, we take every single lead very seriously. And this one, once again, Kennedy, really is potentially a very serious lead. If it is a response to those heartfelt pleas from the Guthrie family for the kidnapper or kidnappers to show them that Nancy Guthrie, 84 years old, is alive. Kennedy.

[Kennedy]

Thank you, Jonathan.

[Jillian Turner]

Thanks, Jonathan.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, all you wanted was proof of life. And we don't know if this message was proof of life, but this is the best development that we've had so far. And it gives you hope that Ms. Guthrie might be alive, because as of today, we had had no communication, aside from these other emails, which only said, we will not be communicating at all. There's deadline one, deadline two. That's it. Send the money. So this is a huge development. They were in the position up until now that they were going to have to send 20, 40, 60, $100 million to an account without any guarantee they were going to get their mom back. And so now you're actually in a negotiation if this thing is legitimate. And so for the Guthrie family, this has to be a huge, huge relief. It's not over yet. But it does give a glimmer of hope. And that's kind of all you're riding on right now is just hope and adrenaline. Hopefully, you know, we're all praying, but.

[Jillian Turner]

At the same time, Jesse, if you're the person who's taken her and you have all these millions of dollars on the line right now, why not just shoot a quick video? You know, like, why leave it up?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Because you're gonna shoot a video, and then it's gonna expose intelligence that can be harvested by the FBI. And you don't need to do that. There's other ways you can show proof of life. I assume that can indicate that you're willing to wheel and deal and make the Guthrie family send the money. Because really, this is all just about money and life. And this is high stakes. And Harvey made a great point. It doesn't necessarily seem like the kidnappers targeted Savannah Guthrie in particular. You look at her. She's in New York. Let's Find where her mom is. She's in Tucson. No. By the way things are and the timing of we're gonna get this woman back within a certain time period. And the fact that they sent these letters to local Tucson stations, NTMZ in L. A shows you that this might have a Tucson, Arizona kind of location. And so that's kind of where everything's focused on right now. And I don't know, I think the sheriff really needed this break.

[Jillian Turner]

So that point you got something?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I think there's something obvious that no one mentions is that it makes it really hard to. To pay a ransom when you make it that public. That's why I think this is a red herring. You know, it's like if I'm good, if I kidnap Jesse Waters, I'm not going to send a message to Fox. I'm going to send it to your parents and go like, look, we're going to handle this. I wouldn't go. I mean, why would you send it to tmz? Why would you send it to. If you really wanted the money, there would have been a much easier way to do it than make it public. The only reason why you make it public is because it's a distraction and it's a red herring.

[Jillian Turner]

I did hear one analyst saying that they maybe because of the way they sent those messages to other news outlets and entertainment outlets in the US like maybe the kidnappers are foreigners who are not as familiar.

[Kennedy]

They said the language within and they could have used AI to write the note. They said that Harvey said this on Hannity, that that language is impeccable. And he said it's layered. And, you know, which makes you think that there, there is a logical progression within the note itself. And also it's not short.

[Jillian Turner]

Real quick, Jonathan Hunt, I understand, is getting some more information about who is receiving this latest message that the family is hoping will be authenticated. What can you tell us, Jonathan?

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah, Gillian, one of the local TV stations here has confirmed that they were one of those, at least that received this new message. CBS 13 News KOLD. Now, interestingly, they were one of the stations locally that received those original ransom notes now and they appear to have got this follow up note. And to Greg's point about why would you send these to TV stations? Why would you send it to tmz? You look at this, it could be something as simple as these people or this person does not have Savannah Guthrie's email address. I mean, she's a celebrity figure. She might be very careful about who can contact her so it might be something as simple as that. So you want to get a message to people. You send it to two of the local TV stations, the original ransom notes, and to a network that is seen nationally like tmz. That might explain it. There's a million other theories out there as to why that might have been done. But the bottom line is that the Guthrie 3 family obviously saw and heard those emails. They read them. The FBI has said they are taking them seriously, those original ransom notes. And now we wait to get more detail on what this second message may be. And again, the first task for the FBI is to try to check its authenticity. The first task for the FBI and the sheriff's department and to see if they genuinely believe that this follow up message is from the same people that sent those original ransom notes. If it is, perhaps there is a sliver of hope that we can all cling to tonight that they are responding to the pleas for proof of life. Perhaps they are. And this is a huge perhaps, obviously, but looking for a silver lining in this awful, awful week for the Guthrie family. Perhaps this is this new message offering proof of life. We can't jump to any conclusions about its authenticity, about where it came from, about who may have Nancy Guthrie, where Nancy Guthrie and her kidnapper or kidnappers might be. But it clearly is potentially a significant step forward. And just going back to what you guys were also talking about, Harvey's interesting comment about the radius here. Remember that radius, as he put it, is tens of millions of square miles. It doesn't narrow it down much, guys.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Jonathan. So just to crystallize this for viewers, there are three stations that received this ransom note. You had kgun, kold, you had tmz. The person who received this message was one of the two local stations. TMZ and the other local station have yet to confirm whether they received same message. Strikes me as there being two options. Number one, this could be an imposter. And we know there was a fake ransom note previously and that person's being prosecuted. Could be an imposter. But number two, this could be the proof of life that the family has sought. And proof of life can come in the form of a video, a word that the family had together, a detail that is privately known, not publicly known. And finally, I would just say they said the floodlight was part of the way that they authenticated the first ransom note. Still unclear if it's an actual ransom, but the floodlight was on the outside of the house. We have a picture of it. So this could be A private detail that maybe only the family would know. All conjecture at this point.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah. I just want to correct one thing. You said that the floodlight was you said the floodlight was how they authenticated the original note. They have not 100% authenticated the note. No, they have not 100% authenticated at all. They are still looking into whether those original ransomware, some notes are actually real from somebody who may actually have Nancy Guthrie. But this follow up note is a hopeful sign that perhaps they are about to get proof of life. If all of this is real, it's still there is still a chance that all of this is from some evil hoaxer. But we hope it's real. We hope it's proof of life.

[Jillian Turner]

All right, Jonathan, we're going to leave it there for now. Thank you for jumping in with us. We will continue to monitor this as it continues to develop over the the hour. We've got more THE Five coming up next. Stick with us.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Remember that time when Kamala checked yes on sex changes for prisoners? Are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars to help prison inmates or.

[Jesse Waters]

Detained illegal aliens to transition to another gender?

[Jonathan Hunt]

I will follow the law.

[Jillian Turner]

And it's a law that Donald Trump actually followed.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, they're turning the page, we think. Politico reporting this quote, Democrats confront the party's questionnaire industrial complex. After years of tolerating advocacy group litmus tests, some Democrats are pushing back on questionnaires they say are becoming a recurring general election liability. And the one Democrat who's been urging his party to ditch woke altogether. James Carville, slamming the left for not letting dudes be dudes. Democratic culture became very feminized and very judgmental and that is why we push so many of these males away. Don't drink beer. Don't eat hamburgers, don't watch football, don't have sex like God, what do you want me to do? I'VE been out there working myself. I want to have a beer and watch the game and, you know, smoke dope and have sex with my girlfriend. All right, so they're going to get rid of the questionnaires. Greg, we have questionnaires of our own?

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Can men get pregnant?

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah. You know, it's too late. It's too late for them. Can you imagine what male Democrats say to each other when they're alone?

[Greg Gutfeld]

What?

[Jesse Waters]

I don't know. Can you imagine?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I can't even imagine a male Democrat.

[Jesse Waters]

Here's the deal. Here's the deal. So why did men. That's my point. I don't understand male Democrats. I don't believe that Harold is a male Democrat. He's a male, but he's not a Democrat. I think he's just like riding it out till he can't take it any longer. Look, there's all this new research out that shows that female students. This is why men leave. Are less tolerant of their own allies than males are of their adversaries. So I can get along with a liberal, but the white female liberal can't get along with the other white female liberal? Men can't be around that. It's too gross. You can't be. It's like if they're in a group and they were incapable of connecting with each other because they're so irrationally strident, men are like, I gotta get the hell out. You're scaring me off. I heard from a friend of mine whose wife had to leave a book club because they were like, there was one woman in there who was woke who was driving everybody crazy. And it's like, this is what's happening in a lot of places where these left wing women hate each other. They hate each other. And I'm beginning to think that this movement itself is a sadomasochistic movement. It's sadistic because they seek to punish people. It's very punitive and it's masochistic because they're salting their own wounds. You know, they increase their friendlessness, as you mentioned, their isolation, their resentment. And guys are like, I got to get out of here. This is not good for me. And I think that's what's happening. The only ones left are the like. Like, Harold's got a great job here.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, he does.

[Jesse Waters]

You can't. He can't. He can't not be a Democrat because then what are we going to do?

[Greg Gutfeld]

He does. And we pay him too much.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah. To be a Democrat.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And it's almost like Trump can get along with Bill Maher. Right. But then Hollywood hates Bill Maher because he got along with Trump. That's what I took from Greg's analysis.

[Jillian Turner]

Is that why everybody hates you too, because you get along with the president?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jillian, do they hate me? I thought they just joking. Don't tolerate me. I'm just joking. Okay, that was so funny. Anyway, Kennedy, would you like to add anything substantive?

[Jillian Turner]

Gillian I would just say before they get rid of the litmus tests altogether. Yes, like I get why they're annoying and they can like work across purposes. But some candidates would be greatly helped by a litmus test, like I think Kamala Harris because we heard her stump speech on the trail 17 million times during her very short campaign, but didn't ever have a really nuanced understanding of her policy positions. I think a lot of people would have benefited from watching her answer some yes or no questions put to her on a.

[Kennedy]

She wouldn't answer questions though when she.

[Jillian Turner]

I know. That's why if you could ask her.

[Kennedy]

To say by Brett there, you know, she very rudely showed up super late for the interview, almost to the point where it didn't happen, which I think was the point of her being so late. She was incredibly rude and dismissive and then she wouldn't answer any questions. And it was the questionnaire, the codified group think that backed her into a corner and she was so bad as a candidate and as a thinker that she couldn't logically say well this is why I said that and I understand why people might have an issue with this, but this is what I actually meant and maybe colored her opinion.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

She doesn't have any opinions because she.

[Kennedy]

Is an empty person and all questionnaires do is invite empty candidates to the Democrat party. It's not good for either side because what you want is a non traditional person who is going to break through, have ideas and speak to voters. And when people are terrified about the shackles of questionnaires like this, they're never going to stand out from the group. And that's when you get horrible politicians like literally every Democrat in the state of California.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What about if it's not even a questionnaire? What if it's just a question like Kaylee, are we on stolen land?

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

No, I get it right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, very good.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

I got it right. Unlike Billie Eilish. Look, there will be yes or no questions on the debate stage and it is media malpractice if there are not. Now I sure the DNC will try to go to friendly places Like Ms. Now, if that's what they call themselves these days and avoid that. But a good credible news organization will make one of the questions on the debate stage, can a man become a woman? Raise your hand if the answer is yes. Axios tried to do that. Axios asked 20 Democrats, Can a man become a woman? Only three answered. I have asked on my show, two Democrats, and there were two distinct answers. You had people to judge. I asked him specifically about biological men and women's sports. He said, look, we think about all sides. Local organizations and bodies should decide, not politicians. So he kind of dodged the question. James Carville. I asked him if a man can become a woman. And he said, hey, I've never had birth control. I'm not worried about getting pregnant. The latter answer is the way a breakthrough candidate should handle it. And so far, the only person who has done that that's a presidential contender is Rahm Emanuel on the Democratic side.

[Jillian Turner]

But is that really gonna be me?

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Is he really.

[Jillian Turner]

Who's a ballet dancer?

[Jesse Waters]

Rahm Emanuel.

[Jillian Turner]

Oh, yeah, that's right. He went to the School of American Ballet, which is where I went too.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Is that why you asked me?

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Little known fact.

[Jesse Waters]

So wait, you went to Columbia and then you went to ballet school? Tell us more about your life.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What else do you want to sing?

[Kennedy]

Opera?

[Jillian Turner]

Yes.

[Jesse Waters]

Do you sing opera?

[Jillian Turner]

No. But what I was, what I was gonna. What was I gonna. Now I'm forgetting what I was gonna say.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Were we talking about we could break in a primary but with a general.

[Jillian Turner]

I don't know, you think that could be like, people are gonna do like single issue on that issue?

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

If it moved the electorate by 2.7 percentage points, according to Kamala's data, whether it has the same potency next time, who knows? But that's a big chunk of people.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, we're not going to ask you to twirl. We don't do that.

[Jillian Turner]

Thank you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Coming up next, super bowl ads are going Maha. The fastest is up next. You ain't nothing but a liar. Yeah, I walk right out the fire.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

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[Kennedy]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Thank you.

[Kennedy]

Robert Smith, welcome back. Super Bowl 60 is going Maha. Well, at least the ads are. This year, expect to see a whole bunch of commercials hawking healthy soda, the fat shot, blood tests and surprise, surprise, your prostate.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know what these tight ends are so relaxed about? Prostate cancer screenings will Shadd here bringing fiber to the masses with kellogg's raisin bran.

[Jonathan Hunt]

34 pounds.

[Jillian Turner]

Down on GLP1s, healthier on RO.

[Kennedy]

Yes, the greatest female athlete of all time is hocking GLP1s. Greg, you urinate frequently. Are you excited about the prostate exams that are more readily available?

[Jesse Waters]

I try to get a prostate exam every day, usually downstairs.

[Jillian Turner]

Don't point at me.

[Jesse Waters]

No, look, the super bowl is turning 60. I mean, we're all getting older. Super bowl is turning into Fox. You know, who had the. Who got there first with relaxium and super beets and super Beta prostate.

[Kennedy]

Don't forget balance of nature.

[Jesse Waters]

Balance in nature. Welcome to the club Super Bowl. And isn't it great that it's called super bowl because that's what you want when you're eating fiber.

[Kennedy]

Jesse, is this a positive development for our country, or do you wish we would get back to ribs and.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Doritos, McDonald's. I mean, that kind of goes with Super Bowl. Tyson is on primetime tonight, and he has a model commercial. The champ has a maha commercial, which you're going to see during the Super Bowl. And he's, like, eating apples in the commercial. So if Tyson's in the maha, I think the whole country's got to follow.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, he is an impressive person.

[Jillian Turner]

Also, it looks. I mean, I haven't seen all the ads. Obviously, it's not health and wellness. It's just weight loss. And then they try and dress some of it up, but it's like everything I'm seeing in here, it's like GLP1 fiber. So that you can.

[Kennedy]

The poppy soda has 9 grams of fiber per can.

[Jillian Turner]

It's all just about weight loss. And then they dress it up and they try and make it, you know, about health and wellness, but it's a scam.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, you can't do a commercial for walking, you know, and the body.

[Kennedy]

The body positivity movement has. Has passed.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

It's had its time.

[Jesse Waters]

Your thoughts inflated.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Look, ads, Kaylee. I mean, I like maha. I think it's a great thing. But I don't want my Super Bowl, Maha. I really don't. There has to be days that are carved out to gluttonously eat my five Crunchwrap Supremes while drinking IPAs and chugging them. Like Halloween, the Super Bowl. And while I'm doing that, I want to see the Pizza Hut going like this with those beautiful little brown dots on the cheese. Just stringing up as I'm eating the crunch Cheese pull.

[Jillian Turner]

It does have brown dots. I never really thought about it before.

[Kennedy]

No, that is so beautifully said. You're absolutely right. You know, it is. We don't have too many days like this. The nice thing about the Maha movement is, you know, 360, 362 days a year, we are living healthfully, we're making better choices, eating protein, making those gains. So if we have three days a year where we strap on a feed bag, who are you to judge? Strap with us.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Strap with us, America.

[Kennedy]

That's absolutely right. Jesse. Fan mail Friday is up next.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Stay with us.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, we have time for one question from Penny. Have you ever returned to your childhood home to see how it's changed? Well, your childhood home has changed.

[Jillian Turner]

It has, hasn't it?

[Jesse Waters]

Are you from South Africa?

[Jillian Turner]

No, but thank you for.

[Jesse Waters]

You'Re just complaining. You wanted to bring back a part time.

[Jillian Turner]

I was born right here in Manhattan. New York Hospital.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Oh.

[Jesse Waters]

Could you ever visit the hospital? Your childhood home?

[Jillian Turner]

The hospital? No, I have not. Oh, okay.

[Jesse Waters]

So you don't have to visit because you live here.

[Jillian Turner]

Craig, I'm American. I'm sorry to tell you.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse, have you ever returned to your childhood home?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I did, I did. And they gave me a tour.

[Jesse Waters]

Really?

[Greg Gutfeld]

And they did a great job with the place. I was thinking like, mom, come on, it looks good. Yeah, it looks much better. They redid all the bathrooms. I went into the master bathroom. Like, I got a real nice tour.

[Jesse Waters]

Nice Kennedy.

[Kennedy]

I took my daughter two years ago, drove by my childhood home at the end of a street, and it was dilapidated and they had the same landscaping we did from the late 70s. I was like, how about an update, people?

[Jesse Waters]

What about you, Kaylee?

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

So I went back and it looked smaller just because I grew up in a small town. So it was like very insular. And we were on this golf course and I thought I lived in this like huge land. And then I'd never been to New York City till I was like 18. And I went back and I'm like, this place is so tiny and beautiful and sweet and wholesome.

[Jesse Waters]

God, I. I went back a couple years ago and it's amazing. I mean, you know, the orphanage got sold and it's kind of more like, like. I think it's like a rehab. But it was still some of the same people working there.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

It explains a lot.

[Jillian Turner]

Used to live there.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, thanks for pointing out the joke.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

A rehab.

[Jesse Waters]

Typical South African. All right, what more things up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They never get it the first Because I'm somewhere in.

[Jillian Turner]

All right, welcome back. It's time for one more thing. Greg, you're up first.

[Jesse Waters]

Thank you. Tonight we got an amazing show. Kennedy Sherrod, Small, George Santos, Rob Schneider, tune in.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Hey, let's do this.

[Jesse Waters]

Celebrity siding with. Well, I'm excited. The Real Housewives of New York have returned. Look at them. After months of. Months of Ozempic, they've lost all that winter weight. Look at them. Choo choo, choo, choo, choo. You know, the Real Housewives of New York are some of the most attractive and appealing women I've ever met.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Careful, Brit.

[Jesse Waters]

This one over there is nine feet tall and weighs over 6, 300 pounds. She's delightful. Delightful. But she's no Mara Hemingway, that's for sure.

[Jillian Turner]

All right, Jesse, this is your big moment that you've been waiting for all show.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Really? Because when you get to go home.

[Jillian Turner]

You get to plug your other show.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, we're not there yet. I'll take the lead on this one. Jillian, hair news. Here we go. So women love playing dress up with their kids. This mom's a hairdresser. She put extensions on her eight month old daughter. That's what it would look like if babies got extensions. I think it looks good. My son's already asked for the girl's number. She's getting a lot of attention. Not that we want to. I'm actually gonna stop talking about that. Yes, I think you should.

[Jillian Turner]

But look at her sweet little face.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

What a cutie.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Adorable. Yeah, I'm a girl, dad. This is what I do now. Greg beat you to the punch tonight. Speaking of punch, Mike Tyson, the champ, 8pm Eastern.

[Jesse Waters]

Wow.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Yep. So I'm getting Avery extensions tonight. I'll work on that. Well, Saturday in America airs tomorrow, 10:00am Eastern Time. We'll have all the developments on Nancy Guthrie. Plus we investigated. We were the first to dig into Rashida Tlaib's finances while we dug into another member of the squad. We have some questions for that individual. Also, we went into the liberal protest around the country on the ground. We'll tell you about that. And finally, a new fraud investigation. Not a state that is not Minnesota tomorrow.

[Jillian Turner]

Very nice, Kennedy.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Yes, indeed.

[Kennedy]

Here in New York City, it has been so cold. Look at these sporting enthusiasts. They took an ice boat and glided along New York's ice covered great South Bay lagoon. The boat was built in 1969. The bay has not frozen like this in decades. How cool is that?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Beautiful shot, Greenland.

[Jesse Waters]

Here we go.

[Jillian Turner]

Hand in hand with that minerals have heard about needing a spa day, but have you heard about ice floating? Because take a look, Jesse, I have signed you up. You're right to go next month for Valentine's Day. Doesn't that look amazing? It's very good for your cardiovascular.

[Kennedy]

Is Tom Homan in there?

[Greg Gutfeld]

What are these people wearing?

[Jillian Turner]

The people who do the don't get it. They look like Teletubbies.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's in Russia.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

They look like they can go to the Oscars.

[Jillian Turner]

You have to go to Russia to do it. That's the only downside.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I'm not going. If I go to Russia, I'm not coming back.

[Jillian Turner]

Yeah, that's why we're.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Because it's so amazing.

[Kayleigh McEnany Kennedy]

Have you heard?

[Jillian Turner]

That's why we got you tickets, Jesse.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay, One way tickets. Listen to the five ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership or.

[Jesse Waters]

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