Roundtable On Antifa

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five

Episode: "Roundtable On Antifa"

Date: October 8, 2025
Host: Martha MacCallum, with Greg Gutfeld, Kennedy, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters
Podcast: FOX News Podcasts

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Episode Overview

This lively episode centers on President Trump’s recent "Roundtable on Antifa" at the White House, intensifying national debates over left-wing violence, law enforcement tactics, and the political fallout in cities like Portland and Chicago. The hosts dissect the administration's approach, the pushback from Democratic officials, high-profile prosecutions (notably James Comey’s trial), and political missteps, all threaded with their signature banter and sharp commentary.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. President Trump’s Antifa Roundtable & Federal Response

[00:05–04:29]

• Main Theme:
  President Trump convenes a roundtable with independent journalists, doubling down on Antifa as a domestic terror threat. The hosts argue about left-wing violence and local officials’ response.

  • Harold Ford Jr.: Emphasizes a “serious left wing terror threat," citing Antifa’s involvement in riots and attacks on journalists (e.g., Andy Ngo and Nick Sauter).
  • Greg Gutfeld/Martha MacCallum: Express disbelief and frustration at Democratic city officials' reluctance to address violent unrest and protect law enforcement.
  • Deployment of National Guard: 500 Texas National Guard troops are sent to Illinois, facing resistance from Governor J.B. Pritzker.

  Memorable Quote:

  • Greg Gutfeld: “It’s like he’s cosplaying as a tough guy and unfortunately he’s lost control of his state... that’s why so many people... created the coalition that got Donald Trump elected...” [02:59]

2. Political Rhetoric and Public Safety

[04:29–07:56]

• Kennedy & Harold Ford Jr.:
  Call for nuance, noting that while ICE should do its job safely, the deportation hierarchy is murky. Ford laments that political leaders focus on "fighting one another" instead of collaborating for solutions.

  • Ford: “No big problems in our country at the federal level get solved if the executive, Democrat or Republican, is not trying to bring people together... I’ll be the first to admonish [my party]...”

• Tension Around the Insurrection Act:
  Jesse Waters raises the possibility of Trump invoking the Insurrection Act due to judicial roadblocks.

3. The Media, Antifa, and Perceptions of Lawlessness

[10:00–13:56]

• Jesse Waters:
  Jokes about Governor Pritzker’s tough talk and mocks media figures for downplaying unrest (“They find a safe, sunny space in every town in the daytime... and they say, look, there’s no Antifa.”) [10:54]

• Greg Gutfeld:
  Argues that liberal democracy cannot survive without rule of law, warning about cultural changes brought by ignoring laws and “importing millions of military-age men from other countries.”

  • Notable aside on UK culture and controversial changes (ban on cousin marriage), using it as an example of shifting norms.

4. Prosecution of James Comey & American Political Retribution

[15:08–24:26]

• Case Against James Comey:
  Comey faces charges for obstruction and lying to Congress. Discussion draws parallels to Martha Stewart’s prosecution (also by Comey).

  • Jesse Waters: Critiques selective justice, noting, “The process is expensive and it’s depressing... you can’t just lie to Congress.” [15:55]
  • Martha MacCallum: Reflects, “You have to wonder how it feels when the shoe is put on the other foot.” [17:33]

• Debate: Retribution vs. Leadership

  • Kennedy and Harold Ford Jr. caution against a cycle of vengeance in politics, referencing history (post-WWII, Obama declining to prosecute Bush/Cheney).
  • Greg Gutfeld asserts that Comey’s actions epitomized the establishment’s effort to “throw this guy [Trump] out of office... ginned up from the Clinton campaign.” [21:58]

  Memorable Quote:

  • Kennedy: “He won the presidency. You got it all. What are you doing?... Don’t seek this retribution.” [21:33]

5. Trump’s Approach, Media Access, and Legacy

[25:03–29:13]

• Media Relationships:
  Discussion of Trump’s accessibility and “breaking the filter” of traditional media.

  • Greg Gutfeld: “Trump is such an accessible president. Anytime the camera’s around... it can turn into a press conference... He broke the filter the media had inserted between us and the news.” [25:25, 26:05]
  • Jesse Waters compares Trump’s transparency to a paradigm shift in media culture.

• State of the Democratic Party:
  Jesse and Greg critique Democrats’ inability to unify behind a leader (notably Kamala Harris), while Harold Ford Jr. acknowledges party dysfunction but sees opportunities in upcoming elections.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Greg Gutfeld on Posturing Politicians:
  “He’s cosplaying as a tough guy and unfortunately he’s lost control of his state...” [02:59]

• Harold Ford Jr. on Partisanship:
  “If the executive... is not trying to bring people together... no big problems at the federal level get solved.” [06:43]

• Jesse Waters on Governor Pritzker:
  “He knows no one will [come get him] because it'll take three trips... this cup was... modeled after Pritzker… because he's a big, swollen fat ass.” [10:39]

• Greg Gutfeld on Culture and Rule of Law:
  “A liberal, liberal democratic society will not survive without rule of law.” [12:38]

• Jesse Waters on Selective Outrage:
  “You can’t just lie to Congress... If you're okay with that, then Congress is a joke, then we don't have a country.” [15:55]

• Martha MacCallum comparing Martha Stewart & Comey:
  “You have to wonder how it feels when the shoe is put on the other foot. And that is a big part of what has happened to James Comey today.” [17:33]

• Kennedy on Political Retribution:
  “If retribution and this kind of payback is what we want, then the precedent that we’re setting... everybody can point to somebody coming after them.” [20:29]

• Greg Gutfeld on Trump vs. the Establishment:
  “Comey always represented the establishment... They hate Trump... because he spoke directly to people who should have been subservient to the Democratic wing of our government.” [22:58]

• Jesse Waters on Trump’s Transparency:
  “He is the most transparent leader in history... I consider us us. We are part of reality.” [26:05]

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Secondary Segments

Katie Porter Interview Walkout

[32:00–36:04]

• The hosts analyze California gubernatorial candidate Katie Porter's abrupt exit from a difficult interview, seeing it as emblematic of politicians’ reluctance to appeal to Trump voters or face tough questions.

  • Kennedy: “If you can’t go before an interviewer and answer questions... you shouldn’t have to answer these questions. Indicative of where we are now.”

• Jesse Waters, irreverently: “Typical hot chick... they get special perks. She’s like, I’m Katie Porter. I don’t need a follow up question. Just look at this.”

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Lighter Segment: Bar Livestreams & Pop Culture

[37:49–39:31]

• Segment on a Florida bar live-streaming its patrons, with playful banter about surveillance, privacy, and bar culture.

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Brief Tributes and Show Promotion

[39:31–40:19]

• Tribute to Joan Kennedy and promotion of future shows, with the usual playful ribbing among panelists.

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Conclusion

This episode offers fiery debate, insight, and unfiltered perspectives on law enforcement, “Antifa” policy, and the state of American politics. The panel highlights the ongoing struggle between local vs. federal authority, critiques political posturing, and explores the consequences of a cycle of retribution. Commentary is marked by sharp one-liners, cross-ideological sparring, and cultural asides, making the episode both substantial and entertaining for listeners seeking an inside take on the hot-button issues of 2025.

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Note: Advertisements, intros, and outros have been omitted from this summary.

Transcript

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do it now.

[Martha MacCallum]

Hello Everybody. I'm Martha MacCallum along with Kennedy, Harold Ford Jr. Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. It is five o' clock in New York City and this is the five. So President Trump this afternoon ramping up his efforts to counter escalating left wing violence, hosting independent journalists at the White House for what's been called a roundtable on Antifa, which his administration has labeled as a domestic terror organization. Watch some of this.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It should be clear to all Americans that we have a very serious left wing terror threat in our country. Radicals associated with the domestic terror group Antifa. The epidemic of left wing violence and Antifa inspired terror has been escalating for nearly a decade. At universities, Antifa has organized riotous mobs to attack campus speakers. Andy Ngo has been repeatedly beaten by Antifa thugs for his work. Much better. It's nice to have you. You feel a little safer here. Only days ago, Nick Sauter was assaulted in Portland by a flag burning Mobati for inciting riots. We took the freedom of speech away because that's been through.

[Martha MacCallum]

That was after DHS Secretary Kristi Noem was on the ground and up on the roof of the besieged ICE facility in Portland, Oregon, getting an up close look at the chaos that has kept residents up at night in the area. With more than 100 protests in a row, she did not hold back, taking aim at Oregon's elected officials.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is what is shocking to me about these leftist politicians. Just how they ignore the people who.

[Martha MacCallum]

Elected them, jeopardize their safety and continue.

[Greg Gutfeld]

To disrespect our law enforcement officers.

[Martha MacCallum]

So one of the things I've been.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Dealing with all day here in Portland.

[Martha MacCallum]

Is a bunch of pansies that are.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Elected into political office who won't make a decision to keep their citizens safe.

[Martha MacCallum]

So right now, 500 Texas National Guard troops are set up in Illinois, based at an Army Reserve station about an hour southwest of Chicago. This comes amid major Resistance from Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker. President Trump has expressed his displeasure. He posted on Truth quote, chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect ICE officers. Governor Pritzker also. But the governor is firing back.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

This is a convicted felon.

[Kennedy]

I mean, think about that.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Who is threatening to jail me? I got to say, this guy's unhinged. He's insecure.

[Jesse Waters]

He's a wannabe dictator.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And there's one thing I really want.

[Jesse Waters]

To say to Donald Trump.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

If you come for my people, you come through me. So come and get me.

[Martha MacCallum]

Don't you love Kennedy? How he turns to the camera for that last part. If you come for my people, come and get me.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's like, do it. Put them on.

[Martha MacCallum]

I want the bracelet.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But that's all he's doing. You know, he's, he's cosplaying as a tough guy and unfortunately he's lost control of his state. And because of that and because of leaders like him, that's why so many people, independents and the non political alike, created the coalition that got Donald Trump elected for, for the second time or the third time, as Jesse would say. But all he's doing is really an impression of Donald Trump. You know, he's standing out there preening for the cameras, trying to sound tough because he thinks it's about the posturing and not about the message itself. But while the President may have non traditional and controversial means going into these cities, deploying the National Guard in order to reestablish safety, there are people like JB Pritzker who are trying to use it as a power grab in order to leapfrog a giant leapfrog to the presidency. The people in places like Washington D.C. and Portland and Chicago are privately breathing a sigh of relief. Now, interestingly, a lot of law enforcement officers who support the President are not necessarily crazy about the National Guard being deployed. They would love it if the civic leaders, if their bosses, the mayors in these cities, people like Brandon Johnson who have abdicated their responsibility if they would actually work with law enforcement to make these cities safer instead of just standing up against the President and really standing for some of the rapists, hardened criminals and antifa members who are destroying these cities from within.

[Martha MacCallum]

You know, we've seen harold in Washington D.C. in Los Angeles really, when the troops were sent in there. It was just sort of a protective measure that seemed to help quell the situation over a temporary period of time. Memphis is having positive results from having some extra help from the federal government. But these areas, you can see where there's a political agenda to push back from Pritzker and from Brandon Johnson. They're trying to seize on this moment and sort of get the better of President Trump in a political way. How do you think that's going to work out for them?

[Kennedy]

We'll see. Good to be with everybody. I'd say a couple of things. I think several things can be true at one time in this conversation. First, ICE agents should be totally, completely allowed to do their jobs without fear of being shot, without fear of being harmed, or without fear of their personal safety being violated. And we should do everything possible to Ensure that. Two, the hierarchy of deportations. Martha, we've got, we've gotten to a point where the president was elected on two notions around immigration with me. One, the border and he has locked that down. Two, we're going to deport to hardened violent criminals. Now, we've had a conversation, even debates around this table about whether or not the violent criminals are the ones they're going after or not. But we can see some of the videos, some of the things on social media. I'm not a social media trafficker, but I get these things from friends and others showing videos of people who are being taken down by ICE agents. Probably right. Rightly so in some instances. But they don't seem to be violent offenders. So I think this hierarchy of deportations is something that's true for a lot of people as well. You mentioned the crime. I am a firm believer that Memphis and Washington D.C. and some of these cities that face high crime rates are going to welcome these, the communities will welcome these police officers. I know in Memphis, one of the concerns I'm from there and I represented Memphis 20 years ago, 25 years ago in Congress and I have still have relationships and friends and family there. The concern is that the guard is not going into these communities. And Jesse and I talk about this a lot where you see a lot of black on black crime and where the crime instances are much higher. They're not going into those neighborhoods where a lot of people want them to go into. And I'm hopeful that as I've said on the show many times, what we need is a big crime bill, flood these cities with more cops, with more prosecutors, with more resources to build jails. And for that matter, they get it only if they end cashless bail. There's a way to do this. And I think the president who I give credit to, I think he has the right instinct, but I think sometimes he to get to your question and Pritzker and Johnson, they have decided that they'd rather fight one another and no big problems in our country at the federal level get solved if the executive, Democrat or Republican is not trying to bring people together to solve them. We talk about the name calling. Democrats shouldn't do it. But Kristi Noemi shouldn't call Democrats pansies. The president shouldn't call people left wing terrorists or stupid or gnats on my shoulders. He talked about Democrats when he was giving an address at the Naval Academy. I just think it goes both ways. And when my party gets out of line with the language, I'll be The first to admonish them. And I think we have to be fair and have to be evenhanded if we want to solve this problem. We've got to figure out ways to bring more people to the conversation.

[Martha MacCallum]

So, Jesse, one of the things that the president is considering is the Insurrection act because a federal judge in Portland has blocked his ability to go at this the way he wants to. Do you think we're going to see the Insurrection act employed in order to get more National Guard into these places?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I wish we didn't have to see it, but Democrats are not doing their job, so we might have to see it. I'd rather be called a Nat than a Nazi Herald and I brought a poll. I thought you were Jessica, but you're Harold today. And a majority of Americans think Trump is deporting the right types of people. It is funny to watch Trump be a Fox News producer. We wake up in the morning and we look at the news and you see Trump is holding an antifa roundtable at the White House and you just say, thank you. Thank you, Donald Trump. This is the best we know all of these reporters that are around this roundtable, Nick Shorter, Davis Court, Andy no, they're like guests on our shows. The mainstream media has probably never heard of any of these people. And this is why this is such great programming. You mentioned the point about JB Back Ribs trying to act tough like Trump, the governor. Yeah, we call him JB Back the. It's like Tyson. You know, Tyson made you fight his style of fighting and when you fought that style, you'd always lose. And that's what Trump does. He gets you into a brawl and people fight the way they think they're supposed to fight in the brawl. And it looks dumb. And what's he going to do? He's talking all this trash. They're going to send in the guard, they're going to send in ice. And what's Ribs going to do? Is he going to tell Chicago police to build a wall around Chicago and not let the Guard in? Because that is a civil war. What's going to happen is he's going to let the Guard in and he's going to look emasculated. And it is kind of funny to watch Texas, they bring all of these migrants in for Mexico and they bust them all to Chicago and they make blue states into border states. Trump wins the election partially because of that. And then Trump says, hey, Abbott, can you go down and then pick up all these illegals and send them back to Mexico? It's good and I like it. If I was illegal, I'd be like, come on, can I just stay somewhere?

[Greg Gutfeld]

The.

[Martha MacCallum]

And then he sends the Texas National Guard to Chicago, right?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

So the, the thing, he's calling him demented now he's saying Trump has dementia. You can't say Trump is a diabolical Nazi who's overthrowing the government and then on the next day, call him someone with dementia. You can't be a dictator with dementia. You can't suspend an election and then forget you spend it suspended an election. Trump didn't need note cards to know who Hillary Clinton was. And the guy has the longest memory of anybody. He remembers every slight, every name, every statistic. The man is a lot of things. He does not have dementia.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, I love when Pritzker says, come and get me, because he knows no one will because it'll take three trips. Look, you put up this cup was. People say, oh, is this your poop cup? No, this is actually modeled after Pritzker.

[Kennedy]

His body.

[Jesse Waters]

Because he's a big, swollen fat ass. And by the way, in the hierarchy of smears, Harold, I can say whatever, whatever I want about him. What? When he talks about my side as being part of the Gestapo or Nazis, I can call him a fat piece of crap. Because in the hierarchy of smears, it's much lower. Look, I love how the media and politicians, they find a safe, sunny space in every town in the daytime, not the nighttime. And they say, look, there's no antifa. There's no looting there. We had a nice dinner. The old Don Lemon line. It's such a dishonest stunt. Because if you represent a city, even if there's a small amount of left wing terror, you have to take it seriously. That's your job. That's what you're supposed to do. That's why it's something that we can't handle ourselves. That's why we don't have vigilantes. You guys have to deal with this. You're not. They did the same thing with fentanyl. They did the same thing with looting. They're doing the same thing with left wing terror. So imagine, though, the opposite. If you were a person in New York or Portland or San Francisco or Memphis or D.C. and, you know, demand assistance for homeless services or gay lesbian outreach or a needle exchange. And somebody said, oh, that's not a problem. Could you imagine the outcry, the blasphemy? Everything would be nuts. Because the thing is, when you break, when you talk about fighting crime, that is Always viewed as a conservative thing, an autocratic thing. You should be grateful that you have such colorful criminals in your neighborhood. Oh, feed them while you're at it. Look, the Democrats have to understand, and Harold, you do, but a lot of them don't, that a liberal, liberal democratic society will not survive without rule of law. That's what keeps these traditions alive. But if you import millions of military age men from other countries with different values simultaneously ignoring our laws, our traditional value system will collapse. You know, I just saw a piece in the uk, I don't know where they advocated an end to a ban on cousins getting married in England. Incest. Why would they do that? Why now in 2025? Because the culture changed. There's something about the change in culture that suddenly said, you know what? We got a lot of people marrying their cousins. We got to change this. Or, I mean, look, you know, we have this trans activism in America. What is going on in the UK or let's pick Iran instead. They don't have a gay rights movement because they just transition all the gay boys into girls. That is a cultural change. Do you want that here? Of course you don't. You want all your freedoms. You want to be able to have your pride parades. You want to be able to. What else is there? Pride parades?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't know.

[Jesse Waters]

I don't either. That's all going to go away unless you have rule of law.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Can you not marry your cousin in the United States?

[Jesse Waters]

20 states? You can.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Oh, you can.

[Jesse Waters]

I believe so. I've been doing a lot of research on this, Jesse. I have a hot cousin.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Second or third cousin?

[Martha MacCallum]

I think it depends on how far removed the cousin is. Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

In your face.

[Martha MacCallum]

All right, coming up next, FBI Director James Comey has his day in court. There's a drawing to illustrate what happened in there when we come back.

[Jesse Waters]

Great drawing.

[Martha MacCallum]

Best birthday party.

[Kennedy]

It's will taint country.

[Jesse Waters]

Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through [e-mail] or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss the show. Listen and follow the podcast five days a week at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. Former FBI Director James Comey getting dragged through the same process he once put Martha Stewart through, pleading not guilty in his first court appearance. The charges, obstruction and making false statements to Congress back in 2020. The trial's locked in for Jan.6. The day before that glorious. I mean, that terrible January 6th. And the media is already acting like it's the second coming of Watergate.

[Kennedy]

Not since Watergate honor have we seen a president weaponize the Justice Department to.

[Jesse Waters]

Go after his political rivals.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

This is one of the most significant.

[Jesse Waters]

Cases in America's 249 year history. A President of the United States directed that one of his opponents be prosecuted because he didn't like that individual.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

This is an effort by the president.

[Jesse Waters]

To use the power of the federal.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Government to muzzle somebody he doesn't like. The legal case is simply a way to get Jim Comey to shut up.

[Jesse Waters]

These guys are great. Jesse, isn't the whole point of this really. It's not really the conviction. It' the process which many innocent Republicans, and I'll even throw Martha Stewart had to go through because of that guy's ambition. So maybe he should go through the process he put everybody else through.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, and the process is expensive and it's depressing and I wouldn't mind seeing a conviction because you can't just lie to Congress. All these Democrats in Congress are saying people come in and lie to us all the time, we never charge them or what are you doing? You're saying you're okay with coming into Congress and being lied to, you're conducting an investigation on January 6, you're okay. If Republicans come in and lie, you're okay. If Fauci comes in and lies about the lab leak, you're okay with that? They were conducting an investigation on the Russia hoax and James Comey, the FBI director, lied to Congress who's conducting oversight, who were trying to get to the bottom of how this happened, and he lied about it. And if you're okay with that, then Congress is a joke that we don't have a country. Then this is whole thing. You go in, you put your hand up and you say, I swear, and you just go in and lie. Then this is the stupidest government of all time. Eric Trump was asked a question. He had a great response the other day, Greg, Someone asked him, you know, it was all these bad things were so bad did to your dad, why are you doing all these bad things back? He said, what have we done? We didn't raid Biden's house, we didn't arrest him in four states. We didn't leak his tax returns. We or make up some phony dossier or a story about how he had a secret server in his basement that was connected to the Kremlin. We didn't do any of that. We charged one guy, James Comey. That's it so far.

[Jesse Waters]

I saw that exchange. It was quite impressive. Martha, I think the Dems like to call this revenge. I don't really care what they call it. This is. This is not revenge if it's real. And also it's mutually assured destruction. This is to make sure you don't do it again to us.

[Martha MacCallum]

I think you're right. And I think what you said initially is correct. I think there's a desire to see him go through the process. I think that the part of the case that he was indicted on has to do with the Clinton foundation specifically. And Andy McCarthy has said he doesn't know if this charge will hold up. We saw today that Comey's attorney said that they're going to try, I think five or six elements of trying to get the case, case dismissed. But what you saw today is Comey drawn in this lovely picture standing up in court. You see him in this sort of, you know, sappy video talking about how he will stand up to anyone and anything. And it really does. You know, I have to wonder what my, you know, we share a name, so people who named Martha, it's kind of, you know, it's kind of an old fashioned name, so you have a little bit of a connection with that person. But Martha Stewart was put through hell, right? Because at the time she was being vilified. You know, she was like this perfect woman writing all these cookbooks, showing everyone how to live their perfect life. Then SNL and other places started turning on her. So she became sort of vilified at the moment. And that was when James Comey decided to bust her for insider trading. For lying to investigate, not for insider trading. I should, I should be clear on this. Not for insider trading. They didn't get her on that. Everyone thinks that's why she went to prison. But she went to prison for obstruction and lying to FBI officials when they came to talk to her. And he threw the book at her and it made him famous. And then he became the FBI director. So you have to wonder how it feels when the shoe is put on the other foot. And that is a big part of what has happened to James Comey today.

[Jesse Waters]

You know, you know, I'm looking at the sketch he made him into like a Robert Urich. Robert.

[Martha MacCallum]

Robert Urich is.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, yeah. You know, Harold, is Hillary secretly thrilled over this?

[Kennedy]

I hope not. I'm built a little different.

[Jesse Waters]

You certainly are.

[Kennedy]

The president when President Trump was running for office a second time and people asked him about, ask him about retribution, if he would go after some of his political opponents, he said, success will be our retribution. And although I Didn't vote for President Trump. I believed him. He's given me reason to doubt and not believe. Now, the truth. Social posting he had a few weeks ago where he implored his attorney general and his FBI director to go after certain people I think will be used, Martha, by his legal team. Mr. Comey's legal team. Don't misconstrue. I'm not defending Mr. Comey's past. I think there are things he did in his past that I disagree with, including one or two examples that have already been raised. But in this instance here, his lawyer, Mr. Fitzgerald, will defend him and they're going to have a very fast trial. January6, we differ on that date. It's interesting. On January 6th, President Trump said he couldn't send the National Guardian that day, but he figured out how to get him to Portland.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And yes, Nancy, block it.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, he asked for it, but that's a known fact.

[Kennedy]

You're wrong. Let's say you're right.

[Jesse Waters]

You're right.

[Kennedy]

But let's say you're right. The president, if he's able to send them into Portland and Memphis and everywhere else when the governors don't want it, and able to send Texas National Guard to Chicago. My only point is, you know what I'm saying now, when it comes to retribution, when it comes to retribution, after World War II, after we fought valiantly, what did we do after World War II? We rebuilt Europe. Why? Because it was a smart, practical, visionary thing to do. When President Obama was elected and President George W. Bush and Mr. Cheney were still having legal issues about whether the war we went into was justified or not, Obama said, let all that be gone. Let it be bye bye. We don't need, we don't need to deal with those things. I just think we reach a point where if retribution and this kind of payback is what we want, then the precedent that we're setting, and I know President Trump says, they came after me, everybody can point to somebody coming after them. If all we did as a country was to go after slights or to try to pay back slights. Let me finish my point.

[Greg Gutfeld]

After.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Let me finish my point. Everybody out.

[Kennedy]

I didn't take anybody out.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You took out his whole inner circle.

[Kennedy]

First of all, I didn't take anybody out.

[Jesse Waters]

The Democrats.

[Kennedy]

My point is, you know what? He won the presidency. You got it all. What are you doing? You, Peter, and Unite us. Don't seek this retribution.

[Jesse Waters]

Mr. President, I, I guess I want to follow up on what, what Harold's talking about is that it doesn't really matter if you go after them or not, because the Dems will always come for you, no matter what. Is that? Yes. Is that kind of the point?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Use like Comey provided the basis for the entire Democratic wing of the federal government to go after President Trump. Not even the federal government. In states, in cities, in Georgia and New York City and, you know, everywhere else they could find a venue, they went after him and they were the ones out for vengeance. And Comey thought that if he was fired and used his little friends to go to the New York Times and leaked some stories that he was going to get Trump impeached and he was going to up end his presidency so he would get thrown out of office and never have any power in this country again because he would be neutered and embarrassed. So when people on MSNBC talk about the weaponization of government and this is worse than Watergate, then I hope you do in fact go back and look at the facts of Comey's predication and you realize the flimsy case that he had foisted upon all of us and upon this president because of a need for personal vengeance and retribution. And this whole thing was ginned up from the Clinton campaign as, and I'm sorry, note to Hillary Clinton for his late in the game realization that there was some stuff on her server that might have been untoward, and she feels that that cost her the election. So this whole thing was a way of undoing the Trump presidency because Comey always represented the establishment, the establishment on both sides, especially the deeply entrenched part of it. They hated Trump. They hate Trump. They hate everything he stands for because he spoke directly to people who should have been subservient to the Democratic wing of our government. And they refused. For the first time, they threw off the yoke and voted for someone that they felt would stand up for them. And that's what Comey tried to stand up against. And you know what? I'm happy to see all this happening. And I hope they go after Clapper and I hope they go after all the other people who were working in concert with one another to throw this guy out of office. And it really said something about this country that voters were able to look past all of that, all the vengeance and all the trials and all the witch hunts and put this guy in power once again. Because for them, he was the one, the only one who spoke to the forgotten voter.

[Kennedy]

That's why he won. And he should be, he should be, not be a sore winner, be a leader. For the country.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, you two, she whiz. Up next, President Trump won't rest until America is at its best.

[Greg Gutfeld]

For gentle, dependable.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes, the libs hate to hear it, but the American people say President Trump is delivering.

[Jesse Waters]

But Donald Trump is who the voters thought he was. What are we talking about here? Well, it's Trump doing what he promised in the 2024 campaign. Yes, 52%, the majority of Americans say that Donald Trump is doing what he promised. Trump is basically doing what the American people thought that he was going to do.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But how does he do it? Listen to CNN's Kaitlan Collins.

[Greg Gutfeld]

TRUMP is such an accessible president. Anytime the camera's around and reporters are around, it can, it can turn into a press conference. And sometimes presidents are press averse. Trump embraced the media. He, like, does not sleep. I had this source who said, you never want to be on Air Force One on a trip. He doesn't sleep on these trips. And like, you know, you're going to Asia or something and that's kind of the only time you're going to sleep before you go on this trip. Yeah, but Trump is just always up and talking.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I didn't know and heard that. It is funny listening to CNN who never got any access. Greg, with Joe Biden now complaining there's too much.

[Jesse Waters]

This is progress. They went from he's Hitler to he's really approachable. Yes. We were telling you that for years. We were saying, this dude is the most transparent leader in history. It makes you think about what is life going to be like after Trump. He broke the filter that the media had inserted between us and the news. I don't consider us the news. I consider us us. We are part of reality. But it's like we were all the news would have to go through this filter. Trump said, nope, I don't think you can go back after Trump. You know, it's like when I discovered Playboy when I was a teenager. Changed everything. I could no longer go back to the JCPenney catalog and, you know, erase bras with my number two pencil eraser. You guys did that, right? Anyway, the Democrats keep saying they need their Trump. I figured out who it is. Granted, she is not eligible to be president, but Greta Thunberg is exactly the Democrat model. Have you thought about this?

[Kennedy]

No.

[Jesse Waters]

Okay.

[Martha MacCallum]

No.

[Jesse Waters]

You want something Trumpy? She's got kind of an outsized personality and she gets all the world's attention, but she reflects everything about the Democratic Party now. Angry, unstable, stupid. No offense, Harold. I don't count you as A Democrat, because I know you're not really one. But she reflects the state of the party. Think about it. There's only one person in the world that's like the Democrat Party. The face. It's Greta. Ugly face. Thunder.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I thought you were going to say Hunter Biden was the.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I gave up on him.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Okay. Because he didn't do your show.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Okay. He's still invited.

[Martha MacCallum]

That Charlie. Charlie, she was great.

[Jesse Waters]

Charlie, she's better.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

If he was a Democrat, he might win. Do you agree with Greg's assessment?

[Kennedy]

No, I think in the coming weeks. First of all, Greg makes a good point. Democrats, we don't have a coherent, cohesive leadership bunch right now. Leadership message right now. It's interesting in Congress right now with this shutdown and the focus Democrats have on health care. I found it curious today yesterday that one of the leading voices in MAGA and the Republican side in Congress, whether you like her or not, Marjorie Taylor Greene, has come out to say we may need to negotiate on health care because I have people in my district who are hurting. So we'll see if that goes in their favor. Democrats, too. We have a couple of races coming up over the next four weeks. You have the New Jersey governor's race, the Virginia governor's race and the New York City mayor's race. Depending on how Democrats do in those races, we may have at least some semblance of what the message ought to be. Greg, as we find ourselves going forward, what Democrats ought to understand is. What Democrats need to understand is, I know we don't like facts sometimes, but what Democrats need to understand is President Trump is upside down on the economy. We talk about polling data. He's in the 40s, the low 40s on the economy right now. The advantage he has, Jesse, is that Democrats, everything you guys say, we are so dysfunctional. We have no leader and we seem leaderless. So the president is able to, I think, get away with a lot more than he should. The country is deeply divided and Democrats, we have an opportunity. But if you continue to do the things Greg says it in a way, I wouldn't quite say it, but if we continue to resemble more of what he's saying, we're less likely to be able to lead and have people believe that we can lead going forward. Forward.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Kennedy, Kamala Harris, she's supposed to be the leader of the party. She was the vice president. She was your, your nominee to be president, and she blew the whole thing. She's got her book 107 days. She didn't want to run for governor in California. I know we're going to talk about that race in just a little bit because she said the system's broken. So then she writes this dumb book and she's asked in one of the interviews, who's the leader of the party. Now if you're writing a book about how great you were yet somehow failed to ascend to the presidency, you know, you should be making the case for why you should be the nominee again in 2028. So when someone asks you who's the leader of the party, if she had the political mars necessary to lead the Democrats, you would have said, it may, I'm the leader. But she couldn't even do that. She's like, well, I don't want to leave anyone's name off the list. So I can't really say who it is because there's not one. And that lends itself to, to the dysfunction and to the imbalance. So when you claim that the president is heavy handed, it's because Democrats and you know, to your credit, your great credit, you are a man of ideas. And if more Democrats were like you, they would take a page out of the Handsome Herald playbook. Yes, Ideas to the American people. There is a dearth of ideas. There is a dearth of leadership. So you guys don't get to complain when the president moves forward with his agenda.

[Kennedy]

My name was mentioned, but your name.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Was mentioned by handsome.

[Martha MacCallum]

I just want to say one thing. You know, Kaitlan Collins is, is just accurate in what she said. She's saying he's accessible, is absolutely right. He's never sleeps, that these are all accurate assessments. But I do think you're going to start to hear a different tone from a number of places because their leadership is changing dramatically at CBS and potentially at cnn. And there is a sea change that is going on because they're figuring out what we figured out a long time ago. It's a big country. People have a lot of different opinions. So I think that's a little bit of what you're seeing here.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

All right. And before we go, hold your pen up so everybody can see that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Martha, I love it.

[Martha MacCallum]

This is my crown pen.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Where is that from?

[Martha MacCallum]

Martha, we feel like I could make your dreams come true with this. Now that I'm waving.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You already have.

[Martha MacCallum]

Yeah, it's from Buckingham Palace.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Oh, just Buckingham Pen, that's all. Has a crown on solid gold.

[Martha MacCallum]

I can get one.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Okay, coming up next, potatoes. Porter scolds a reporter.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you and I don't want this all on camera. I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you either.

[Kennedy]

I wish I could just watch lives.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Holy mashed potatoes. California gubernatorial. Hopefully Katie Porter melting down like hot butter the second she was grilled about whether or not she needs Trump voters to win. Watch. I'm going to try to win every vote I can. And what I'm saying to you is that, well, to those voters.

[Martha MacCallum]

Okay, so, so you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it. Thank you. You're not going to do the interview with us? Nope, not like this, I'm not. Not with seven follow ups to every single question you ask every other candidate has answered. I don't care. I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation which you ask me about every issue on this list. And if every question you're going to make up a follow up question, then we're never going to get there and we're just going to circle around. I have never had to do this before, ever. You've never had to have conversation to end an interview. Okay. But every other candidate has done this. Welcome to the monoparty state of California. So, Jesse, I know that you have some editorial history with Representative Katie Porter and you call her Potatoes Porter. Why is that?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, I don't remember, but didn't she throw a scalding hot tub of water that was boiling a potato at her husband?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I believe that's the case.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That's the case.

[Kennedy]

Okay, good.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The question that stumps California Democrats is how do you appeal to Trump voters? Apparently she's never considered that before. She never had to consider that before if you're a Democrat in California. So that blew her mind. She's never had to wrap her head around it and she completely lost it. And I'm sorry to say that was really bad lighting. The minute you step into an interview like that with bad lighting, you go home.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. She never should have started the interview with a shot like that. Martha, when do you think?

[Martha MacCallum]

I would have to agree with that as well, actually. Yeah, terrible.

[Greg Gutfeld]

When do you think she knew that, that she had lost it, that she had blown the interview?

[Martha MacCallum]

I mean, I love it when there's tape like this all over YouTube of people when you think you can make it stop and go away and the cameras are still rolling and she's going, I'm done, I'm done. And you know, the taking off the mic moment and when she said to her, you know, I'm not doing this with all These follow ups. We don't do that. What is this?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Journalist we don't do. What is this?

[Martha MacCallum]

What is this? We don't have seven follow ups. And every time, and I'm thinking, well, this reporter was listening to what she was saying. She didn't just move on to question two, three, four, five and six because she didn't get an answer to question one. So, yeah, I think this is, you know, this election is a year away. Yes. And a year from November. And Katie Porter is going to have a tough time recovering.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, right now she is the top Democrat of people who have declared their candidacy. I reached out to our friend Steve Hilton, who's also running on the Republican side for California governor, and I asked him what this does to our candidacy and he said, I hope it doesn't take it. I hope she stays in because she's very beatable. Your thoughts, Harold?

[Kennedy]

Well, I think the interview is an example of what's wrong with politics. And we can zero down on what's wrong with Katie Porter and perhaps some Democrats. But if you can't go before an interviewer and answer questions about what you're going to do, and I think, Jesse, you framed it well. I think the fundamental question for Democrats nationally is how do we appeal to Trump voters? How do we appeal to particularly independents and even some Democrats who voted?

[Greg Gutfeld]

She said, I don't need them.

[Kennedy]

I heard her, too. And I'm saying, but I'm saying that you have to sit there and that may be her answer and she has every right to that answer and she'll lose with that. But then what I, what I'm most bothered by is her walking out and saying she shouldn't have to answer these questions. I just think it is, it's indicative where we are. Now. I wanted to make this last point in the last segment about Democrats in 2013, when in Obama's second term, when Republicans, at this time in October, Republicans didn't know who their nominee would be. They didn't know who the leader of the party would be. In fact, in 2013, everyone thought the consensus was it would be Jeb Bush. In 2021, in the first year of President Biden's first term, in this time of that term in 2021, the front runner was someone who you went to have pizza with on your ship, a guy named Governor Ron DeSantis. There's a lot of time on the clock. Democrats have to get their act together. And I got to tell you, they should not follow Ms. Porter's lead from this interview.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What's wrong with Katie Porter, Greg?

[Jesse Waters]

Typical hot chick. You know, they have this pretty privilege, you know, just because they're hot, they get special perks. She's like, I'm Katie Porter. Check me out. All right? I don't need a follow up question. Just look at this. So then she gets up and leaves. I don't blame Katie at all. She learned a. She kind of learned from the way the media works with all Democrats. You don't ask a follow up question. Why do you think Kamala Harris got so far? Because, like, she would. She would spew this nonsensical verbiage and people would be like, what just happened? But they wouldn't say that. Like, except for Brett Bear that one time, he's like, what are you trying to say? And then she got hold. Yeah, Lester. Yeah, yeah.

[Kennedy]

Sunny host and sank the campaign with a simple question. What would you have done differently?

[Greg Gutfeld]

And she's like, nothing. She's like, not one thing.

[Jesse Waters]

It's good to see the View sinking something other than a boat. But you know what, Katie? I feel like this is a trend among liberal women that they all act like office managers at a medical office. It's like there just can't be bothered with, you know, any. It's like, you know, it's like, how dare you ask me another question? Leave me alone. And then just, let's go to happy hour.

[Martha MacCallum]

Just stick your insurance card under the window.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Governor Katie Porter. We're screwed up next, people are hooked on watching a live stream of strangers getting tipsy. That's next.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Total Beats Ultimate Heart Health is.

[Kennedy]

Oh, gosh. Welcome back. Folks on. Folks on the Internet are getting a kick out of watching a bar in Florida that live streams its customers. See this thing right here? Is that something you would do rather than watch Netflix or Paramount or something?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, only with the audio. You want to hear the guys pick up girls and you want to hear the girls say, hell, no, or buy me another drink?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Or the girls ask the bartender, can you make me an angel shot? Which is a way of saying, this guy's bothering me. Please call the police.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Is that code for get this creep out of here?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Angel shot. Yes. So, and. And then if the bartender goes, I don't know how to make that. The woman goes, oh, look it up.

[Martha MacCallum]

I love this story. People have been looking at bars, you know, people in bars for a long time. Like Edward Degas, who painted this at the Absent Thinker. I have that. And you look at it and you say like, what's wrong, wrong? Why is she sad? Why is she having a drink? This is why. It's fascinating to watch people in this environment. But I'm thinking about the Coldplay couple. Like did you get a warning when you walk in or you're just on TV and you don't know it?

[Kennedy]

Gut feel. You seem to have an opinion.

[Jesse Waters]

I would not want to go to this bar. Harold. Remember you wanted me to go and I said no and then you said don't worry, we can snort the ketamine off of your mat in the bathroom.

[Kennedy]

I. I don't remember.

[Martha MacCallum]

That seems kind of memorable.

[Kennedy]

I'm still. I still watch streaming. There's a great show called Red Alert on paramount. It's about October 7th. It's a great seven part series. One More Thing is up next.

[Jesse Waters]

That's a plug.

[Martha MacCallum]

All right, we are back. Time for One more Thing thing and I so Joan Kennedy passed away today. A beautiful picture of Joan Kennedy, wife of Ted Kennedy. Her life achievements included it being a big advocate for mental health and addiction recovery. She was a great piano player and she leaves behind two sons and nine grandchildren.

[Jesse Waters]

Greg, tonight we got a great show. Cat tip bride Killmead, Adam Hunter and some chick named Kennedy. Sounds like a good show. Thanks Brit. No problem. We'll watch it together tonight. My place hot tub. Okay.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I would do my promo. It looks like we had a double booking. Cat Timf is in big trouble. Jeanine Pirro, Cat Tim also on Greg show and Madison Allworth 8 o' clock chip city.

[Martha MacCallum]

That is it for us. Have a great night. Hello.

[Jesse Waters]

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