Showman-In-Chief

Summary

The Five — "Showman-In-Chief"

FOX News Podcasts | December 9, 2025
Panel: Dana Perino, Kayleigh McEnany, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Watters, Tyrus

Overview

In this lively episode, the Five break down President Trump's star turn as host of the Kennedy Center Honors, examining its cultural and political significance. The conversation moves from the media's handling of Trump and Biden to the latest controversies around immigration, the Pentagon's strikes on narco boats, Ilhan Omar’s Nazi accusation, and the left’s outcry over a jeans ad. The tone is fast-paced, irreverent, and peppered with humorous jabs and memorable quips, typifying the Five’s unique chemistry.

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President Trump: Showman at the Kennedy Center Honors

(02:00 - 10:18)

• Trump Hosts, Guests, and Notable Quotes
  • Trump hosted the Kennedy Center Honors, celebrating icons like Sylvester Stallone, Kiss, Gloria Gaynor, and George Strait.
  • Trump worked the red carpet, gave playful interviews, and bantered with Jesse Watters:
    • Trump (joking about being honored):
      “Yeah, I think I'm going to nominate myself for next year.” (02:42)
    • Trump’s riff on hosting:
      “If I can't beat out Jimmy Kimmel in terms of talent, then I don't think I should be president.” (03:18)
    • Trump tours the venue:
      “I'll tell you what, the Trump Kennedy Center. I mean, Trump Kennedy Center. I'm sorry... this is terribly embarrassing.” (03:54)
• Panel Observations
  • Tyrus: Trump is “electrifying” and unfazed by opposition, working and having fun, which “must drive the Never Trumpers absolutely crazy.” (04:16)
  • Ainsley Earhardt: Trump is disproving media narratives about his supposed “fatigue,” citing energetic hosting and big policy announcements. Highlights media double standards, especially at the New York Times. (05:10)
  • Kayleigh McEnany:
    “Despite all of this fun, all of this great time, all the celebration, [the media] make him seem like a North Korean dictator…” (05:10)
  • Harold Ford Jr.: The event’s unifying power, noting Trump shines when among creators and celebrities. (06:49)
  • Jesse Watters: The importance of competing for cultural institutions and recognizing icons like Stallone:
    “For so long, we've ceded the power of the cultural institutions to the left… Trump is competing. And there is an ascendancy with MAGA right now in the culture.” (08:47)

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Media Critique: New York Times and the Biden Administration

(11:54 - 19:45)

• NYT's Late Coverage of Biden's Border Policy
  • Watters notes the Times’ “lengthy piece” finally critiquing Biden’s immigration failures, calling out tardy journalism.
  • Ainsley: The left’s “stand up to ICE” position is a losing political message, especially with stories of crime tied to released illegal immigrants and Trump rescuing children from trafficking. (13:07)
  • Harold: Agrees it’s a severe, long-standing issue; credits Trump’s border actions; calls for a focus on real solutions, not political games. (14:40)
  • Dana Perino: Blasts the NYT for not reporting earlier:
    “If it's all the news that's fit to print and they didn't see fit to print it until later, and now the way they printed it, it's almost worse … I think the New York Times really should refund me for the past five years.” (16:44)
  • Tyrus:
    “Hindsight's 20/20, but I guess bullshit is year long ... you're reporting that it's a problem now. Do you realize if they actually did their job as journalists, ICE wouldn't have to be doing what it's doing right now?” (18:27)
  • Jesse:
    “For years [the NYT] said that securing the border was racist. So we do want our subscription money back.” (19:36)

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Double Tap Strikes and Politicizing Foreign Policy

(21:01 - 29:45)

• Democratic Outcry Over Narco Terrorist Strike
  • Democrats accuse Trump of war crimes after a Pentagon "double tap" strike on a narco boat.
  • Ainsley: Notes how Democrats always seem to defend criminals or adversaries in these narratives. (23:12)
  • Dana: Quotes General Jack Keane supporting the strike, and predicts most Americans side with law enforcement over narco-traffickers:
    “Most Americans are not going to sympathize with the Maryland man or any of these drug runners.” (22:20)
  • Jesse: Calls out Democratic inconsistency:
    “Barack was smoking people in the Middle East, Trump's doing [it] in the Caribbean … This is the most popular foreign policy action of Trump's second term, killing narco terrorists … And if you're against it, you sound like a lawyerly whiny, effeminate weasel.” (25:31)
    • Explains legal basis for strikes: unflagged, stateless narco vessels can be sunk under international law.
  • Tyrus:
    “These boats don't just kill the people that OD on it. They destroy communities. … What makes you oppose something like this? What is in it for you to oppose this?” (27:22)
    • Attributes Trump’s strong stance to his own policy suggestion pre-election.
  • Harold: Argues for bipartisan transparency, while noting the Honduran pardon as a weak point for Trump but agrees with the general policy.

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Ilhan Omar, Stephen Miller, and Nazi Accusations

(31:45 - 38:44)

• Omar Response to Somali Fraud Allegations
  • Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar, facing questions about her state’s $1B Somali COVID fraud scandal, brands Stephen Miller (Jewish) a “straight up Nazi.” (32:08)
  • Jesse: Recaps the fraud, Omar’s background, highlights how her community “steals a billion dollars... and then [she says] we're the real victims.” Notes the absurdity of calling Jewish Miller a Nazi. (32:47)
  • Dana: Critiques media for focusing on name-calling rather than substance. Cites Jason Riley (WSJ) urging accountability:
    “You're not doing the Somali community any favors by just trying to sweep this under the rug. If you want to assimilate, take responsibility for it and figure out how to stop it from happening again.” (34:02)
  • Harold: Rejects guilt by association with ethnic groups, but agrees Omar shouldn’t have invoked Miller:
    “I didn't like her answer ... I don't see the connection between the issue here and Stephen Miller's comments about immigration.” (36:03)
  • Ainsley:
    “The lowest form of intelligence debate is an ad hominem attack. It's lazy, it has no facts. It's just leveling a criticism. And that's what you saw from Ilhan Omar with the Hitler comparison. It is so dangerous, it is so wrong … It is designed to put a target on the back of Trump administration officials.” (37:14)

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Culture Corner: Sydney Sweeney Controversy

(39:32 - 42:32)

• Sydney Sweeney Responds to American Eagle Ad Backlash
  • Sweeney downplays left-wing backlash, clarifies she simply likes the jeans and doesn’t endorse political motives attached to the campaign. (39:32)
  • Kayleigh: Applauds Sweeney’s effort to move past political polarization:
    “I love that she's using her platform to say, regardless of what I stand for, let's come together.” (40:03)
  • Jesse: Mocks overreaction:
    “It's a bunch of single 30 year olds that run the show and they're the ones. I don't want to have anything to do with this type of filth. I find these ads despicable.” (40:37, joking in character)
  • Tyrus: Dismisses the controversy:
    “It's a jeans commercial. It's not that deep. ... Sweeney, make your money, do your thing and keep going forward. But nobody cares.” (41:39)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Trump jokes about self-nominating for a Kennedy Center Honor:
  “Yeah, I think I'm going to nominate myself for next year.” — Donald Trump (02:42)
• Kayleigh on New York Times critique:
  “They make him seem like a North Korean dictator… Despite all of this fun, all of this great time, all the celebration, they make him seem like a North Korean dictator.” (05:10)
• Dana’s subscription refund rant:
  “I think the New York Times really should refund me for the past five years.” — Dana Perino (16:44)
• Tyrus on media’s role in the border crisis:
  “If they actually did their job as journalists, ICE wouldn't have to be doing what it's doing right now.” (18:27)
• Jesse on narco terrorist strikes:
  “If you're against it, you sound like a lawyerly whiny, effeminate weasel.” (25:31)
• Ainsley on ad hominem attacks:
  “The lowest form of intelligence debate is an ad hominem attack. It's lazy, it has no facts… and that's what you saw from Ilhan Omar with the Hitler comparison.” (37:14)
• Tyrus on jeans commercial drama:
  “It's a jeans commercial. It's not that deep.” (41:39)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Kennedy Center Honors and Trump as Host: 02:00 – 10:18
• Media & NYT Critique on Immigration: 11:54 – 19:45
• Pentagon Strike/Narco Boat Debate: 21:01 – 29:45
• Ilhan Omar/Stephen Miller/Nazi Accusation: 31:45 – 38:44
• Sydney Sweeney/American Eagle Ad: 39:32 – 42:32

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Takeaways

• The Five see Trump’s Kennedy Center performance as both a cultural and political win, countering negative media portrayals.
• The New York Times’ delayed criticism of Biden’s border policy triggers outrage and mockery.
• The panel overwhelmingly supports Trump’s hardline approach to narco-terrorism, ridiculing Democratic counter-arguments.
• Ilhan Omar’s Nazi accusation is denounced as intellectually lazy and dangerous.
• The Sydney Sweeney ad drama is ultimately dismissed as manufactured outrage.

This episode showcases the Fox panel’s skepticism toward mainstream media narratives, penchant for culture war debate, and affinity for sharply drawn, sometimes comedic commentary on both politics and pop culture.

Transcript

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[Dana Perino]

Hello everyone. I'm dana perino along with kayleigh mcenany, harold ford jr. Jesse waters and tyrus. Five o' clock in new york city and this is the pot.

And the showman in chief taking center stage and getting rave reviews. President Trump hosting the Kennedy center honors over the weekend. Highlighting the work of Sylvester Stallone, Kiss Gloria Gaynor and country legend George Strait. The President also had some fun working the red carpet ahead of the big event. And it included a familiar face.

[Jesse Watters]

Who is on your naughty list this year.

[Donald Trump]

Oh, that's a long list. I better not tell you it's starter problem out there in the world. No, we have a pretty big naughty list. Jesse Waters is terrific.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Could you imagine next year? Maybe you're not hosting, but maybe you receiving a Kennedy center honor.

[Donald Trump]

That's an interesting one.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

I haven't thought of that one.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, I think I'm going to nominate myself for next year.

[Tyrus]

How have you prepared to host tonight?

[Dana Perino]

A reporter for the Washington Post seemed very impressed with the President's hosting abilities, calling Trump quote, loose and funny. And his delivery is far tighter and on script than usual speeches. And President Trump couldn't help resist taking a shot at his late night nemesis. Jimmy Kimmel.

[Donald Trump]

We never had a president hosting the awards before. This is the first. I'm sure they'll give me great reviews. Right? You know, they'll say he was horrible. He was terrible. It was a horrible situation. No, we'll do fine. I've watched some of the people that host Jimmy Kimmel was horrible. Some of these people. If I can't beat out Jimmy Kimmel in terms of talent, then I don't think I should be president.

[Dana Perino]

And here's a preview of his hosting chops.

[Donald Trump]

This place is hot.

And I just toured some of the construction. I love doing that. It's like resting for me. But, you know, we're doing a lot of construction in the Kennedy Center. I just toured the lounge, Cyberjet Lounge. It's gorgeous. And I'll tell you what, the Trump Kennedy Center. I mean, Trump Kennedy Center. I'm sorry.

[Tyrus]

I'm sorry.

[Donald Trump]

This is terribly embarrassing.

[Dana Perino]

Tyrus, he was in his element. You know what a showman is. And here you had one the last time.

[Tyrus]

Yes, he was. He was electrifying, much like my electrifying.

[Dana Perino]

That is some Jack suit.

[Tyrus]

Thanks.

[Dana Perino]

I look forward to Jesse making fun.

[Tyrus]

Of that picked out, trying to, you know, bring a lighter side of me so I don't look so grum this Christmas. The president is enjoying life right now. He's working like we got at a high level. He's getting things done. He's solving problems. The economy's doing well. Everything's. Everything that his campaign promises are coming through in spite of ridiculous opposition. So he's able to. Where most people will be at home pulling their hair out, trying to figure out how am I going to get my policies across. He's just. This continues to his unwavering, I'm going to do my job, and there's nothing you can do about it. And I'm doing it with a smile on my face. So it has to drive the Never Trumpers absolutely crazy. Why they sat last night in their pajamas eating their kale, going, I can't believe. You know, why he shouldn't be there. He shouldn't be there. But the world was relaxing and it was a good night last night. Good for you, Mr. President.

[Dana Perino]

Good for Kaylee. I couldn't believe that George Strait hadn't received the honor before.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Right. I know. I was very thrilled to see this. I went to the George Strait concert last year. It was so fun. It was so unifying. You have people from, like, all sides of the political aisle who just come and love George Strait and recognize talent and you saw that last night. But, you know, I'm thinking of the naughty list as Trump was asked about. And to me, a chief candidate for the naughty list is the New York Times, because I was just looking at some of the headlines out of this. And the New York Times headline was, Trump host Kennedy Center Honors. After seizing control of the venue, he installed himself as the chairman. I mean, despite all of this fun, all of this great time, all the celebration, they make him seem like a North Korean dictator. Like he installed himself, he made himself the chairman. And then it to me, totally just nullified the narrative they've been sowing. Because we all focused last week on this headline they had about Trump's fatigue. They did an analysis of his eyelids. They said they drooped a little too low during one meeting. I mean, really ridiculous, considering their Joe Biden reporting. But it wasn't just that one headline. There were two others where they were casting doubt on his mri, which is routine when you do an executive physical. And I just thought to myself, this is a man who hosts an award show on a Sunday, has all of these huge announcements during the week. Trump accounts $1,000 per little baby after a three hour cabinet meeting. And he's having fun while he does it. Tyrus, you're exactly right. The people at home eating kale, that was such a nice visual. The Never Trumpers, and he's just out having fun and, and showing and disproving the media narrative is all this energy and he's having fun while he does it.

[Dana Perino]

I think that might be something that is actually unifying, even if people don't want to admit it, Harold, that watching somebody else have fun is fun. That's one of the reasons that the 5 is popular. People like to watch somebody having a good time.

[Tyrus]

I agree.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Good to be with you. Hope everybody had a good weekend. Look, I think the President, when he's with celebrities and those who are creators and those who are actors and writers and bring joy, as Kaylee and both Tyrus were saying, you see him light up. And I think you said last week, Jesse, he enjoys sports and enjoys a part of our culture that is uniting in so many ways. So I was pleased to see him. I mean, I think that press has every right to be, to be critical. We got a thing coming up in the next segment. I want to see what you say about the New York Times and what they said about they criticized Biden on the border and they were right. But, you know, it'll be interesting to see the next day or two. The President will pivot from here and he will get out on his affordability tour and we'll get an opportunity to. He'll get an opportunity to interact with everyday Americans, working class Americans, the very people who put him in office, and we'll see how he performs there. But I think anyone that's being honest has to say the president did an extraordinary job and he is in his element when he's celebrating a big part of America's culture that unites us in so many ways, as Kaylee said.

[Dana Perino]

So, Jesse, you got a shout out, but if you listen to the entire clip, he likes Johnny, too. I think Johnny's everyone's favorite.

[Tyrus]

Yeah.

[Jesse Watters]

Sometimes when I go in public with Johnny, people ask Johnny for a selfie. Someone handed me the camera.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, yeah.

[Jesse Watters]

And said, will you take a picture of Johnny and I?

[Tyrus]

Oh, wow.

[Jesse Watters]

That has happened.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah. How did you react to that?

[Jesse Watters]

I took the picture.

I kind of cropped Johnny out of it, but I took it. But, yeah, that obnoxious voice on the red carpet was Johnny. And we'll have him tonight at 8. He, you know, talked to Trump and Vance and Hegseth and all these people who were on the board of the Kennedy center, like some of our Fox colleagues.

Who we're not going to get into, but it is a great honor. I never really wanted to be on the board. It's fine.

But you're right, like, the three things they say about him, he's tired, he's mean, and he's mentally unfit. He debunks in one night, he comes out. He was energetic, he was fun, and he was sharp.

For so long, we've ceded the power of the cultural institutions to the left, whether that's universities, the Kennedy Center, Hollywood entertainment, comedy. You just kind of let them have it and you don't compete. Trump is competing. And there is an ascendancy with MAGA right now in the culture. And it's good to see. And it's also good to see someone like Sylvester Stallone getting recognition. You know, people kind of in Hollywood don't respect the action hero. Yeah. He got. He wins box office.

[Tyrus]

Yeah.

[Jesse Watters]

But he doesn't get the awards. He doesn't get the accolades. He's not treated the same way other actors and actresses are treated. And you look back at stallone in the 80s and even the 90s, this guy was such a cultural export during the Cold War, it made the whole world love America. And we have to get back to that. Hollywood has to get back to exporting these.

Cultural icons like Stallone. That embrace American grit, American success, American glory. And we gotta get it all over. Asia, Africa, the Middle East. And it's just beautiful to see Sylvester Stallone get the recognition he so rightfully deserves.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

I heard Johnny's approaching Stallone status. He has his own paparazzi. I heard that on good authority.

[Jesse Watters]

Really?

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Yes.

[Jesse Watters]

Johnny has hair and makeup. He has paparazzi. He might even have more than I do.

[Dana Perino]

And he also has your dinner order.

[Jesse Watters]

That's true.

[Dana Perino]

To keep him in his place.

[Jesse Watters]

That's true.

[Tyrus]

All right.

[Dana Perino]

Coming up, Zohra Momdonnie gearing up to run New York City by dishing out tips on how to evade ice.

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Jesse Watters]

Took him a while, but the New York Times finally getting around to covering the Biden border disaster with a lengthy piece on how Sleepy Joe ignored warnings and lost Americans faith in immigration. Quote the Democratic president and his top advisers rejected recommendations that could have eased the border crisis that helped return Donald Trump to the White House. Chaos was the word advisers had used in a memo during the campaign. Meanwhile, less than a month until Zoron the Destroyer gets sworn in as New York City mayor and he's dishing out advice on how to thwart ice.

[Tyrus]

As mayor, I'll protect the rights of every single New Yorker. And that includes the more than 3 million immigrants who call the city their home. But we can all stand up to ICE if you know your rights. ICE is legally allowed to lie to you, but you have the right to remain silent. New York will always welcome immigrants. And I will fight each and every day to protect, support and celebrate Our immigrant brothers and sisters.

[Jesse Watters]

Comrade Z isn't the only icebreaker. A newly elected Democrat congresswoman from Arizona is going. Karen on ICE agents filmed herself on Friday yelling at ICE agents and getting in their way. All right, Kayleigh, what do you think's going on here?

[Ainsley Earhardt]

I think the left has learned no lessons. Stand up to ice is not the message. You have 10 months, 11 months, 12 months a year out from losing the presidential election. A royal fashion, losing every single swing state, giving Donald Trump the first time winning the popular vote for Republican nominee in 20 years. The message is not double down and stand up to ice. The message is reverse course. And I love that there's now coverage of Biden just totally ignoring that. He had the power to fix this, and he did. And I screamed from the rooftops during the Biden era. He kept saying, congress should act. Congress should act. And I said, you have 212F authority under the Immigration and Nationality act to act. It essentially gives you carte blanche as a president to stop immigration where necessary and in whatever fashion you see fit. He didn't use it. And now we're getting headlines like here in New York City, 6,000, 947 illegal immigrants were released from jails out into the streets, connected to 29 homicides just released out into the streets. And then you look in the headline that hasn't gotten much coverage, but is deserving of it. 62,000 illegal immigrants, children that were put in sex trafficking and child labor were rescued by President Donald J. Trump. There is a human consequence when you allow unfettered immigration. It is little children, little babies who are put in atrocious situations. Donald Trump has reversed this, and Zoram Hamdani is going to double down. ICE is the enemy. Ice. Good luck. I think it's going to be a disaster come a few months from now.

[Jesse Watters]

Why did it take so long, Harold, for the New York Times to report on the Biden White House immigration situation?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm with you, Jesse. I don't know why it took so long. It's obvious from the reporting, even before the reporting around this table. We recognize how severe and how serious a problem this was for the country and politically for President Biden.

It's hard to imagine a country. We're such a kind and compassionate country. No country has brought in or accepted or welcomed more immigrants, foreign immigrants, foreign immigrants than we have. Yet we can't take everyone for a variety of reasons. One being we've probably let in too many violent people over many years. And for that matter, not just the last four. But even prior to that, I think as we think about where we are now, I give President Trump all the credit in his efforts to lock down our border. What he's faced with now is a challenge, and we're seeing it across the country. And I don't agree with what Mayor Alek Mondame's approach. It would seem to me, right after you're elected on the platform of affordability, that the thing you would be doing would be trying to figure out ways to make life more affordable. Housing, groceries and other things here in the city, particularly housing and for that matter, health care. I'd be focused a little bit more on that. But what President Trump, I think, is dealing with and Congress is dealing with is something we talked about. Also the hierarchy of deportations, the hierarchy of actions you look at. I think if you polled anybody in the country, I'd be a part of that. 80 to 90% saying the President's right to lock down the border, and he's even more than right. If not 100% of us saying, send back the criminals, send back the violent people, find ways. I think there's some dispute over whether we should be sending them back to countries they're not from. But you get violent people out here, I don't care where you send them to. The challenge now is what are we doing with people who have been here for a period of time, who are working, who are raising families. And I think that's where the debate and dispute is. And hopefully Congress will enter that conversation. But you asked the basic question, I don't know what took the New York Times so long to do this. I applaud them for doing it, but I think maybe if some of this had come out earlier, the outcome of the election would have probably been the same to Kaylee's point. But it might have forced or catalyzed some legislative action from Democrats and Republicans alike into Congress prior to the election.

[Dana Perino]

Dana P. Well, I do not applaud them for writing it five years late. In fact, I would like to join a class action refund lawsuit as a subscriber, because if it's all the news that's fit to print and they didn't see fit to print it until later, and now the way the printed is, it's almost worse. So they write a memo to Biden during the transition, during the campaign, it's like, well, you know, if we do this, this could really cause a problem. And now those very people who ignored the memo, including Biden, are now having this little Butt covering exercise in the New York Times saying, well, gosh, you know what, that really was bad, wasn't it? But they're saying that Biden was the responsible one. But so did he ignore the memo or did he want this? And I think that if you say that he wasn't really controlling things, that the people that worked for him, that were operating him like a transformer, they did want the chaos. And now we are paying the price for it. And the biggest price is being paid by people who are trying to do it legally to get into this country legally. Everybody that was in line for their path to citizenship, that had done all the right things. Well, guess what? Now you have the result in this New York Times story is that you have people in America, American citizens, declining their support for people who are doing the process legally in terms of getting more immigrants into this country. Now that push is even worse. So you have legislators like Dick Durbin. Now he just introduces the DREAM act again. And you think, well, what Republican's gonna come forward and wanna do that with you when you were complicit in the chaos theory of the Biden administration? So I think the New York Times really should refund me for the past five years.

[Jesse Watters]

It's an expensive subscription. It is Tyrus.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

The slow clap.

[Tyrus]

You get the slow clap. Hindsight's 20 20, but I guess bullshit is year long. Like this is. Wow, you're reporting that it's a problem now. Do you realize if they actually did their job as journalists, ICE wouldn't have to be doing what it's doing right now. So in cause and effect, you don't like ice. Thank yourself, media, because you didn't report anything. New York Times. It's laughable that you're saying the border is a problem now. No kidding. Ask every American who's had that, lost a loved one or has had to deal with something that's going on. You could have been a part of the solution. You could be right now writing letters and accepting Pulitzer Prizes for amazing journalists on what's going on at the border and helping families be safe. But you chose not to do that. You chose to be the opposition. Now you don't get to walk in the room and be like, hey, guys, what's up? Heard about that border, huh? No, get out. You're not part of the process. No one should believe anything that comes out of New York. New York Times, the writers, the editors that put that stuff out, because they are full of bullshit.

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah, I mean, they for years said that securing the border was Racist. So we do want our subscription money back. Yes, please, for those of us who subscribe. I do subscribe. I actually.

[Tyrus]

Do. I do not. I do. I do.

[Jesse Watters]

I think I make FOX pay for it, but I'm not sure.

[Tyrus]

I wouldn't have.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Johnny will check it. Yeah, well, now.

[Jesse Watters]

No, I paid for it. I pay for it.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Johnny, I'd like to have a word. Jesse's funny. Than you are.

[Jesse Watters]

Deranged. Democrats now claim that President Trump is going to double tap strike American citizens.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Still dealing with moderate to severe.

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[Ainsley Earhardt]

Democrats are back at it with this wild rhetoric, this time over the Pentagon's double tap strike on a suspected narco boat in the Caribbean. Congressman Seth Moulton is reacting by suggesting President Trump could start murdering American citizens.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The President of the United States and his Secretary of Defense are. Are conducting murder on the high seas. And if it's happening off the coast.

Of America with people that we don't.

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Know, just give it time before Donald.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Trump starts doing this same kind of.

[Tyrus]

Thing to people we do know right here at home.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

And other Democrats are baselessly lobbying claims of murder over the strikes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Everything that they've done has been illegal. It's illegal under international law. It's illegal under the Geneva Convention, and it certainly is even illegal under domestic law. It was essentially murder with that double tap strike. It is a war crime.

[Tyrus]

It's illegal.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

How will you put it? It's all illegal.

[Jesse Watters]

They're unlawful. They're unconstitutional. And killing two people who are shipwrecked.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

At sea is also morally repugnant.

[Jesse Watters]

All of these strikes are unlawful.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

They're a form of extrajudicial killing.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

So, you know, when you talk about the killing of American citizens, just total speculation, Dana. I mean, I'm reminded of Anwar Al Awlaki Obama. That byproduct was killing of three US Citizens via a drone. It actually happened.

[Dana Perino]

It's interesting because Jesse made the point last week that General Jack Keane had talked about this and said, yeah, this is okay. And what he said on Newsroom this morning is that if you're not used to seeing things like this. Like, when you watch the video, it's very upsetting and it's unsettling. But also like I am in television, I am not a soldier. I'm not a warrior. I don't know. So that's not my job. The administration has said that they would release the video, and maybe that is what people need to see. But I do think that Democrats are falling into a trap again, because most Americans are not going to sympathize with the Maryland man or any of these drug runners. And that at the end of the day, when it comes out that like these people are doing that, you get to maybe another 80, 20 issue and it still can be unsettling. You can be uncomfortable with it, but you can understand why they are doing it. To try to cut down on narcotics coming into the United States.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Yeah. And Harold, I think that's a key point. I mean, politically, people don't sympathize with narco terrorists. People don't sympathize with illegal immigrants committing crimes with, you know, everyday American citizens committing crimes. But somehow Democrats always find themselves in the posture of defending these groups.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I do think that you make a point that the. I didn't quite understand what Congressman Moulton was saying, and maybe, maybe I missed the interview part of.

[Dana Perino]

He's saying that he's in a very tough primary in Massachusetts.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

That's what he's saying. Yes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

He might be saying about it. Whatever the substance is there I don't get. But, you know, I hear you Democrats are going to counter Caylee that President Trump pardoned a Honduran drug dealer himself who was convicted in an American court of law. So I think going back and forth on that front, we could go back in front on. And partisanship, unfortunately, has become kind of the driving principle in our politics. President Trump releases this video on Truth Social, showing these boats being exploded. And then some will argue that, well, we don't want to release all of the video, then I would encourage the president to stop releasing these videos. Because if you're going to release this video, I think it's not unfair and unreasonable to think if there are questions around whether or not they should be bombing once, twice, three times. I don't know. I'm a believer like you. If we can stop drugs from coming in our country, we should do it. But if you're going to release this video and you're going to have video be seen by members of Congress, and I might add There are Democrats and Republicans in the Congress in the Senate today. I saw the senator from Nebraska on with the senator from a Democratic senator on with Shannon Bream just this weekend saying that we want more. I think it might have been Tim Kaine that we want to have more information sent to us about these things from the President. We think that we have an oversight responsibility that we must exercise. But I would agree with you on one thing, Caleb. I don't want drugs brought into this country anymore. I said on this show last week, I think we also have to deal with our own appetite and demand here in this country as well. Even as we go after these things, two things can be right at once. But if we don't want to release all of the video here, then we shouldn't be releasing this, because I think this only feeds the partisanship and the calls for transparency if some don't want transparency. And it also feeds the ugly partisanship that I think unfortunately punctuates so much of our politics.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Jesse. I mean, the left's in search of their next scandal and release the video. I mean, I don't think this is it.

[Jesse Watters]

He'll probably release it. And like Dana said, people might not like it, but that's the difference. Barack was smoking people in the Middle East, Trump's doing in the Caribbean. They're both terrorists. Barack Obama hit it. Trump's not hiding it. So what would you rather know? I think I'd rather know the truth of what we're doing, and then you can decide during the election what you like and what you don't like. This is the most popular foreign policy action of Trump's second term, killing narco terrorists. You know what the second one is? Bombing the Iran nuclear program. So the Democrats are now coming out against the two most popular things Trump's done abroad this year. Dumb. People love these videos. They hit your feed, they're like, yes, let's go hit them again. And if you're against it, you sound like a lawyerly whiny, effeminate weasel. All of them sound like that. What is the Democrat strategy for combating these narco terrorists? They don't have one. It's to do what they've been doing since the 80s, which is nothing at all. Have the Coast Guard find them, bring them into court, get them bailed out and never find them again. Exactly. These Kochboats are not flying a country's flag. Under international law, you have to fly the flag of the country. If you don't, you're a stateless vessel and Stateless vessels that pose a threat to the United States or are engaged in illicit narcotic smuggling can be fired upon, they can be sunk. And so if you're an unflagged vessel, it's not a war crime to shoot it out of the water. And that's just the law. And I don't even like lawyers.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You're like me.

[Jesse Watters]

I make an exception for some people at this table.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Yes. And Kaylee, Tyrus, I'm sure you have a message for the effeminate weasels eating kale.

[Tyrus]

Yeah, stop by my house for steak sometimes and push ups. Listen, I couldn't be happier to see these boats go up in flames. Little known fact, maybe not known. When President Trump did the Gutfeld show, this was my question, this was my policy. Can we take drug dealers from different countries and label them as terrorists so our military can go after them and our police force, who has been hammered by defunding and everything else? And the President said, you know what? That's a good idea. And you know what? That was a damn good idea. Now here's the thing. Everyone who's talking about the double this and double that, these boats don't just kill the people that OD on it. They destroy communities. Fathers get strung out on drugs, they don't come home. We have seen when drugs got real prevalent in the 70s, we saw neighborhoods that were places where kids played outside and everybody knew each other to ghost towns. The drug epidemic in this country has destroyed cultures, it has killed more families, it has destroyed more careers. And these guys have been able to go into this country. The question that I always ask is, what makes you oppose something like this? What is in it for you to oppose this? Did you personally grow up studying drug dealers from Venezuela? And you have an emotional connection and you want another. What is the reason why that these people come out to take these 80, 20 issues? And it's always the same thing. You never come out to fight against something unless it's in your interest. So the question we need to be asking is, what's in the interest of these politicians who come out and fight for this when you can go in any one of the neighborhoods in any city in our country and see the results of drugs? Take 10 steps and you'll find a reason why those both seem to be up in flames.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

And you interviewed Trump before the election and suggested this. Okay, so Seth Moulton and Rachel Maddow can thank Tyrus for this.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But if we're going to criticize postcards.

[Tyrus]

To kiss my ass, I'M sorry, go ahead.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm glad you asked the question, but I just don't like the characterization that we Democrat. Did you agree. I don't mean to be an a hole about this, but did you agree that the Honduran president should have been pardoned?

[Ainsley Earhardt]

I think you found a niche issue and like please do that issue going into the midterms.

[Tyrus]

No, I don't think it should have been. Pardon me.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's just a simple question, right? It's just a yes or no. Like I don't have a problem with blowing these boats up, but I do think if you're going to show the video and Congress people in the Senate, we have a constitution. They want to see it, then just let them see it. I'm for the transparency. I didn't like what Obama did.

[Tyrus]

I'd much rather dismiss it. I'm in the box, my brother.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, no. I just the Democrat stuff, I just think it's just a little. If there's some Democrats that are weird and wrong on this, I'll say it. I mean we are, we ought to.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Just be hang the midterms on the Honduran work.

[Tyrus]

I don't know too many Republicans that were coming out against the boats. That's why I said Democrats.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, no, I got you. Senator Fischer from Nebraska does want to see more information. But you're right, it's my. I don't understand what Seth Moulton was. I like him. I don't understand what he was in.

[Dana Perino]

A tough primary is that you did answer the question.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Disseminate those widely among the Democratic Party. All right, up next, Ilhan Omar is smearing Stephen Miller as a Nazi after he called out her state's billion dollar Somali fraud scandal.

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[Tyrus]

But I didn't have blue glasses to go with the suit. But getting close. There what it is. Elton John. Minnesota Congresswoman Ilion Omar is playing the victim in trying to distract from her state's billion dollar Somali fraud scandal, even as some of her associates go down within this shocking scene. And now Omar is trying to change the convo by calling Stephen Miller a straight up Nazi.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Jesse, when I think about Stephen Miller.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

And his white supremacist rhetoric, it reminds.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Me, yes, it reminds me of the way the Nazis described Jewish people in Germany. We know the way that people were.

[Dana Perino]

Described who were coming from Ireland.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Irish immigrants were.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Yes, of course, ethnically Somali.

[Dana Perino]

We are in this country as Americans. We are citizens. We are productive.

Part of this nation.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

And we will continue to be.

[Tyrus]

Did that take you right there? I mean, that explained it all away right there, right, Jess?

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah. So the Somalis are the real victims?

[Tyrus]

Yes.

[Jesse Watters]

So her father was a colonel in this Islamist communist Somali regime that the UN accused of committing war crimes and disgusting human atrocities. She leaves Somalia, she comes here, marries her brother, commits immigration fraud, gets elected to Congress, and Suddenly is worth $30 million. So everybody in her little Somali community, all of a sudden, not all of them, but a bunch, steal a billion dollars from American taxpayers and then they buy nice cars and they fund her campaign and then they get caught. And she says no one's more upset about the fraud than us Somalis and that we're the real victims. Meanwhile, a lot of these people are on food stamps. They don't have a high school education, they can barely speak English. And all Stephen Miller says is you got to assimilate and you can't be a public charge. And she calls him a Nazi and he's Jewish. She can't even get that right.

[Tyrus]

But they don't have to, Dana. It's the name calling. If you say Nazi, the media focuses on Nazi, not the billion dollars of taxpayer money gone. It's he. Well, maybe he is.

[Dana Perino]

One of the reasons she didn't have to thank you is because she was given an escape hatch in the interview. A parachute, if you will, by bringing. Okay, a parachute. By saying, I'm going to ask you about fraud in Minnesota in which you took a billion dollars from taxpayers. How do you respond to. And also let me add Stephen Miller into this so that you can get out of it. And to me, she doesn't seem upset at all that Americans were ripped off, they were double tapping Covid funds. And then the thing is that like Jason Riley of the Wall Street Journal wrote about this last week. He said, you're not doing the Somali community any favors by just trying to sweep this under the rug. If you want to assimilate, take responsibility for it and figure out how to stop it from happening again. I also want to reiterate the Attorney General of Minnesota, Keith Ellison needs to be looked into even more because he was soliciting campaign contributions from these very people who were stealing the money. And then on tape he's asked, but what happens if they continue to come after us and investigate us? And he said, if I see it, I'll tell them to knock it off.

[Tyrus]

Harold, you will probably relate this to this. What I'm about to. When we see in our example, when we see a high profile brother do something terrible, we are usually the most upset at the individual because you make us all look bad when you do things like this. Here's a situation where she's in leadership. She's probably the most popular recognizable person representing her cultural group and there's a billion dollar scandal. Shouldn't she be the one leading the charge because you're making us all look bad. She listed off all those groups, Irish this. Guess what? They would police their own. They did police their own. That's why they were assimilated to this country and no longer called little groups.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We were talking a little bit in break. I think that.

Making assumptions about. I'd take it a step further. I think your question is right. I agree with you. I share that view. And whenever that is the case, I often feel that way.

But at the same time I don't. I also think it's unfair for people to assume that because you are of that group that you somehow another are more prone to do things that that person may have done. If this is an instance of that, that's one thing. I didn't like her answer. I didn't think it was necessary to invoke Stephen Miller in the answer. I think the answer stands on its own. If there's nothing there. Her point was if this is indeed something, then our law enforcement in America should find this out and get to the bottom of it. And there's insinuation that it's hard to imagine how she couldn't have known about these things. If that's the case, then let the investigation fall where the investigation may fall. But I just wish she hadn't invoked her feelings about Stephen Miller. Indeed, obviously she shared them, but I don't see the connection between the issue here and Stephen Miller's comments about immigration. He has some strong positions that I disagree with, but they don't really have any relationship to the story.

[Tyrus]

Well, even, let's just say for argument's sake, let's say that he is a card carrying Nazi. What does that have to do with the evidence that's coming forward? So the Nazis are telling on you? I would expect the Nazi to tell on me if I was doing it. If I was doing illegal stuff, that would be the one group that would be like, who told on me. Nazis makes figures.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Yeah, Stephen Miller is Jewish, but yet he's a card carrying Nazi. That's what she wants us to believe. Look, this is a shocking proposition to the left, but you are allowed to make an argument against Trump or anyone in his administration without leveling a Nazi white supremacist, Hitler comparison. It's sad that we're at a point where this is common discourse. Every day we cover a Nazi comparison. And during my time at Oxford, I studied debate. I thought about it in detail, like how to make a good argument, how to craft it with footnotes, with facts, with figures. The lowest form of intelligence debate is an ad hominem attack. It's lazy, it has no facts. It's just leveling a criticism. And that's what you saw from Ilhan Omar with the Hitler comparison. It is so dangerous, it is so wrong. And I shared this with Dana this morning, just to share it again. Katie Miller. The day after the Charlie Kirk assassination, Steven's wife went outside her home, was accosted by a woman who said, I'm watching you. There were signs in their neighborhood in Arlington, Virginia, or thereabouts that said wanted posters. And on them they said, crimes against humanity. This, in my opinion, is an organized attack. It is designed to put a target on the back of Trump administration administration officials. It is so wrong, it's so lazy, it's so unintelligent and it needs to stop.

[Tyrus]

But it has been very effective for them over the last four years. They've been all you gotta do is call a white guy racist. And then the news media stops on the actual issue and they go into a deep dive as that person. And that would have been pretty easy to clear up, I think. But, you know, who knows with the, what'd you call it? Ad homines.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

Ad hominem attack. It's lazy, it's unintelligible, ridiculous.

[Tyrus]

Ad hominem to pass. We don't stand for it.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

I love it.

[Tyrus]

Up next, Sydney Sweeney is getting emotional over the left freak out over her great jeans ad.

[Dana Perino]

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[Ainsley Earhardt]

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[Tyrus]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

Sydney Sweeney is speaking out again on the controversial American Eagle ad that some folks on the left said promoted eugenics. She told People magazine, quote, this. I was honestly surprised by the reaction. I did it because I love the jeans and love the brand. I don't support the views. Some people chose to connect to the campaign. Many have assigned, many have assigned motives and labels to me that simply are not true.

When you first saw this ad, Kaylee, and you saw some of the reaction to it and we've had the benefit of a little bit of time, what are your thoughts?

[Ainsley Earhardt]

I mean, I didn't think anything of it until the left made it go viral. And look, there was reporting. She's a registered Republican. Who knows what she is? I know we cover this a lot on the Five. It must be Jessie suggesting editorial for the show because we cover her every time I'm on, but she's fun to watch. I would say this. I love that she put politics aside and talked about coming together because I noted that Gen Z, they're depressed about the future. 60% are. And one of the reasons they cite is political partisanship and division. So I love that she's using her platform to say, regardless of what I stand for, let's come together. I think it's a good message for all of us.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Jesse, your name was invoked. What are your thoughts about the ad?

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah, and you'll be hearing from my lawyer. It's a bunch of single 30 year olds that run the show and they're the ones. I don't want to have anything to do with this type of filth. I find these ads despicable. With that said, a lot of people are characterizing this as like her backing down from this. I didn't see it that way. She just said, that's not my thing. I'm a lover and I'm trying to sell ads. So we're good, Sydney, we are good here. Don't let him do this to you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Then it does seem like some time. To Jesse's point, a lot of time had elapsed and she decided to.

[Dana Perino]

But she had never said anything. You said that. She's. This is the first time she has said anything.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And like, I guess, did she need to say anything?

[Dana Perino]

Well, she doesn't want to be defined by this. And it's also awards season.

[Jesse Watters]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

Right. She's in the hunt for an award. She had a very important role. She's kind of got trashed by the left, but she just wanted to not be defined by polarization. So she did a little statement and hopefully she can put this behind her.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I didn't think about the award scene. You're probably right. T. What are your thoughts about this?

[Tyrus]

Listen, I saw Sydney Sweeney. I watch the Handmaids series. I'm watching that with my wife and she just got thrown off the diving board. Spoiler alert. She didn't make it. And that's about as much as I know about Sydney Sweeney. All she had to do was repent and she didn't. So now she's at the bottom of a swimming pool. Cares about. It's a gene commercial. It's not that deep. We don't need to get into the intricacies of what makes one. Hey, you want to check the 35 grand? Put these jeans on and smile. Okay, cool. I did it. I made money. I made a commercial. I'm a working actor. Actress. Get off my back. It's not a big deal. No one cares. How did I feel when I saw the commercial? I don't know. I don't watch them. I skip forward between commercial breaks. Actually, I don't have commercial breaks. I just lied to America because I watched the NFL red zone. So I never saw this commercial because I don't care. And America doesn't care. Sweeney, make your money, do your thing and keep going forward. But nobody cares.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

American Eagle won in this segment here. One more thing is up next.

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[Tyrus]

Hey.

[Jesse Watters]

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[Dana Perino]

Hey now, before we get to one more thing, this is exciting. Erica Kirk will be on Hannity tonight and then tomorrow she is joining THE Five. So you do not want to miss that. And if you also don't miss my podcast today, Purina on Politics with Matt Whitlock.

[Jesse Watters]

Jesse the Speedo Santa Run, Kaylee, control yourself. This is an annual tradition. They've done it for 10 years. It's for charity. Pretty simple. You dress in minimal attire, run a one mile course with the temperature in the 30s and you can tell how cold it is with some of these guys. They raised money for Ruth Ellis center and greening of the Motor City.

[Ainsley Earhardt]

That's nasty.

[Jesse Watters]

Tonight, Jesse Waters, primetime. As I said, Johnny was at the red carpet at the Kennedy Awards. Here's a little taste. What's harder, fighting crime in D.C. or sitting next to Harold and Jessica?

[Dana Perino]

Fighting crime in D.C. is probably the.

[Jesse Watters]

Toughest thing I'll ever do.

[Dana Perino]

And I miss Jessica and I miss.

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[Jesse Watters]

Oh, that's so sweet.

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

90 year old neurosurgeon David L. Kelly Jr. Left UNC. Neurosurgeon left UNC one class short of graduating. He went to an advanced medical program. He went on to be a successful unbelievable neurosurgeon. But he got his real dream. He took that one class. He graduated December 14th. He's now also a UNC undergrad. Congratulations, Dr. Tyrus.

[Dana Perino]

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[Tyrus]

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[Tyrus]

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