Shutdown Surrender

Summary

The Five: “Shutdown Surrender”

Date: November 11, 2025
Podcast: The Five (FOX News Podcasts)
Hosts: Dana Perino, Kellyanne Conway, Jessica Tarlov, Joey Jones, Greg Gutfeld

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Overview

This episode of “The Five” centers on the fallout from the recent government shutdown, the rift within the Democratic Party, the role of Chuck Schumer, broader themes of party leadership, masculinity in American culture, political polarization within families, and light-hearted discussion about the media and pop culture. The panelists, representing diverse political viewpoints, discuss the implications of the bipartisan deal to end the shutdown, the Democratic Party’s identity crisis, Trump’s media maneuvers, and societal dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Government Shutdown Fallout and Democratic Civil War

Timestamps: 00:17–04:55

• Democratic Party Fractures:

  • Eight Senate Democrats joined Republicans to pass a bipartisan bill ending the government shutdown in exchange for a promised future vote on Obamacare (ACA) subsidies.
  • Widespread anger and blame within the Democratic caucus. Schumer viewed as scapegoat, potential calls for his resignation.
  • Greg Gutfeld: “This is the end of Chuck Schumer.” (02:09)
  • Kellyanne Conway: “They cave, they capitulated. They should claim strategic bankruptcy. This is a party bereft of leadership, a vision of ideas...” (02:37)
  • Media and progressives blame strategists for lack of unity, with some suggesting no clear party identity beyond “get Trump.”

• Electoral Implications:

  • Democrats worry the deal undermines unity and makes them vulnerable in upcoming elections.
  • Jessica Tarlov: “If they are on the record again as not wanting to extend these ACA subsidies... that is something that Democrats will be very willing and able to run on in 2026, and that'll spell electoral disaster for them.” (06:21)
  • Schumer’s leadership is under scrutiny as moderates and progressives alike are dissatisfied.

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2. The Broader Impact on Americans

Timestamps: 06:56–09:16

• Public Frustration:

  • Impact of the shutdown on everyday Americans—delayed flights, unpaid military, and economic anxieties.
  • Joey Jones: “Just the stress and anxiety of should I go on this flight? ... a lot of people didn’t have the anxiety of missing a flight because they just decided not to go.” (07:33)
  • Discussion about the limited number of Americans (about 28 million) directly impacted by Obamacare subsidies and whether this is a potent electoral wedge.

• Republican Perspective:

  • Panelists argue Republicans now hold the “hot potato” and Democrats used the shutdown for an ACA messaging opportunity.

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3. Political Strategies & Breakdown of Persuasion

Timestamps: 09:18–12:15

• Lack of Persuasion:

  • Greg Gutfeld: Criticizes Democrats’ inability to persuade, arguing they have become reactionary. “They live on the surface level of politics. No depth, no nuance... What's missing is persuasion.” (10:13)
  • Panel highlights repetitive, performative strategies and lack of meaningful debate.

• Panel Consensus:

  • Agreement that unity, as shown by Trump and GOP leaders, was key to their legislative win.
  • Dana Perino: "Unity beats disunity every single time. And Trump, Thune and Johnson showed that they can stay together and they hung tight. And so they are the winners in this." (12:04)

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4. Trump, Pop Culture, and Masculinity

Timestamps: 13:37–22:24

• Trump’s NFL Appearance:

  • Trump’s surprise color-commentary stint at an NFL game prompts a segue on masculinity and the Democratic Party’s perceived alienation of men.
  • Greg Gutfeld (on Trump): “While Trump makes masculinity look effortless, ... Gavin Newsom wants to win back the men who walked away from the Dems.” (14:31)
  • Gavin Newsom’s Comments: Newsom’s admission that Democrats have ignored the crisis among men is dissected, with panelists debating party and societal narratives around men.

• Masculinity & Democratic Messaging:

  • Kellyanne Conway: “He [Newsom] admitted we probably went too far with the men and women’s sports thing... Problem is, he’s just a bad messenger for it.” (18:36)
  • Dana Perino: Laments cultural stigmatization of traditional male traits. “Young men, they're tired of being told they're a problem...” (19:29)
  • Greg Gutfeld: “Do not put the crisis on men, put the crisis on your party.” (16:46)
  • Jessica Tarlov: Counters with recent electoral shifts, emphasizing Democratic outreach is seeing some success among male voters (21:35).

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5. Familial and Cultural Polarization

Timestamps: 25:28–32:35

• Politics Dividing Families:
  • Jimmy Kimmel’s wife publicly discusses cutting ties with Trump-supporting family members, sparking a heated panel discussion on intolerance and political tribalism.
  • Jessica Tarlov: “I actually understand where she's coming from... Donald Trump has personally come after her husband.” (29:54)
  • Kellyanne Conway: Warns about dehumanization and self-absorption. “When your hatred for Trump outvalues your love for your family, you really need to take a look in the mirror.” (32:24)
  • Greg Gutfeld: “She realized she was exhausted, exhausted by being angry all the time. But that's on her. ... You have a choice of putting these things in your head...” (27:40)
  • Panel agrees that political divides shouldn’t overshadow family ties.

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6. Joe Biden’s Public Return

Timestamps: 33:58–37:03

• Biden’s Fundraiser Appearance:
  • Former President Biden denounces Trump at a fundraiser, claiming Trump is “taking a wrecking ball ... to the Constitution, to the rule of law, to our very democracy.” (34:07)
  • Kellyanne Conway: Suggests Democrats are moving beyond Biden with newer figures gaining traction.
  • Greg Gutfeld: Mocks the situation, implies Democrats quickly forget past leaders: “The moment he's outside the door, goodbye. We knew you were demented, you had problems. See you later, alligator.” (35:59)

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7. Greg Gutfeld’s NYT Profile & Media Satire

Timestamps: 37:42–40:51

• Greg Gutfeld’s Interview:
  • Gutfeld recounts his experience being profiled by The New York Times, emphasizing his self-deprecating humor and the uniqueness of “The Five.”
  • Notable moment: “What upsets a Fox viewer? ... It's not difference in opinions. It's when you use the Lord's name in vain, that's when you get a lot of letters.” (38:22)
  • Panel agrees the humor and camaraderie of the show make it unique among news panels.

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8. Lighter Fare & Show Wrap

Timestamps: 41:09–42:50

• Animal Sounds Game & Uplifting Stories:
  • The panel tries to guess animal sounds (including a porcupine eating a pumpkin).
  • Shout-out to the Marines on the Marine Corps birthday and inspiring news from the Canine Companions Program.

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Notable Quotes

• “They cave, they capitulated. They should claim strategic bankruptcy. This is a party bereft of leadership, a vision of ideas.”
  — Kellyanne Conway (02:37)

• “It doesn't feel like a gentleman's agreement. It feels like Lucy in the football.”
  — Jessica Tarlov (02:02)

• “Unity beats disunity every single time. And Trump, Thune and Johnson showed that they can stay together and they hung tight. And so they are the winners in this.”
  — Dana Perino (12:04)

• “No depth, no nuance. If the Republicans are for X, we have to be Y. ... What's missing is persuasion.”
  — Greg Gutfeld (10:13)

• “Young men, they're tired of being told they're a problem, that they're the problem, that the traits they uniquely possess are somehow inherently toxic.”
  — Dana Perino (19:29)

• “When your hatred for Trump outvalues your love for your family, you really need to take a look in the mirror.”
  — Kellyanne Conway (32:24)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:17] – Democratic Party split over shutdown deal
• [02:09] – Calls for Chuck Schumer’s ouster
• [06:21] – ACA subsidies as an electoral issue
• [09:18] – Public grievances over the shutdown’s impact
• [10:13] – Gutfeld on the Democrats’ lack of persuasion
• [12:04] – GOP unity and legislative strategy
• [14:41] – Newsom’s comments on Democratic messaging to men
• [19:29] – Perino on the cultural messaging to men
• [27:40] – Political polarization tearing families apart
• [32:24] – Conway’s warning about hating Trump more than loving family
• [34:07] – Biden’s critique of Trump and the Constitution
• [38:22] – Gutfeld’s NYT interview and Fox audience
• [41:09] – Animal sounds game and closing stories

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Tone & Style

The tone is lively, sarcastic, confrontational, yet often humorous, in keeping with “The Five’s” signature style. Panelists frequently trade barbs, crack jokes, and engage in playful banter even when debating heated topics.

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For Listeners

Whether or not you side with the analysis, this episode offers a fast-paced, multifaceted look at contemporary political debates, party fractures, the ways culture wars permeate personal lives, and the strategic implications for the 2026 electoral cycle. The panel’s range of ideologies provides substantive debate and spin in equal measure, making it both engaging and, at times, provocative.

Transcript

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[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kellyanne Conway, Jessica Tarlov, Joy Jones and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City, and this is the Five. After all that a Democratic Party civil war is erupting. Tonight, just hours after a breakthrough on the government shutdown, eight Senate Democrats broke ranks and they crossed the aisle to support a bipartisan spending plan to reopen the government was simple. In return, they're promised a future vote on Obamacare subsidies. The bill still has to clear. The House report reaches President Trump's desk and here's what the President had to say.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We'll be opening up our country very quickly.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Mr. President, that deal does reverse the mass firings your administration put through during the shutdown. Did you sign off on that and will you abide by that if this passes?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I will be abide by the deal. The deal is very good.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Even though Schumer voted no, the knives are out. Progressives are turning him into the scapegoat for a tumor to be replaced. Others airing out their grievances with the bipartisan deal.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh, I think this whole thing stinks. And I think most members of the House caucus on the Democratic side are absolutely outraged.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We'll continue that fight today, tomorrow, this.

[Dana Perino]

Week, next week, this month, next month, this year, next year.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What this Senate is about to do is make a horrific situation even worse. There's no way to defend this. And you are right to be angry about it. I'm angry about it.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

And some folks in the liberal media want to see Schumer go. The president is kind of getting what he wanted.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It doesn't feel like a gentleman's agreement. It feels like Lucy in the football.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Now you're going to open the government up. And what did you get in return?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Nothing.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Nothing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is the end of Chuck Schumer.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

As we go forward, I think Chuck Schumer, his days are open over. If he cannot put that, if he cannot keep his caucus together, if he cannot keep his caucus together, he needs to go. He needs to be all right. We've got to have a great discussion. Kellyanne, on the day that this began, I said, we know how this is going to end. It will end with the Democrats having a cave because they don't have the votes. And in the end it does. But Schumer walked himself into the situation and now do you think he'll have to go?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Probably.

[Kellyanne Conway]

At least as the minority leader. He's been in politics, Dana, for 50 years and it's starting to show. So you were correct on day one. You knew how it was going to end. The question was always when would it end? And ended almost 40 days later with the exact deal that The Republicans offered 35 days before and were rejected by the Democrats. There's no way to spin it. They cave, they capitulated. They should claim strategic bankruptcy. This is a party bereft of leadership, a vision of ideas, and, and Chuck Schumer's had a terrible week. This was just the capper. His week started out with him not even acknowledging whether he voted for Mandami for mayor, a fellow Brooklynite, and wouldn't even endorse him. And then of course, he's made nobody happy. The so called moderates, the eight aren't happy, the progressives aren't happy. And I think if you're Schumer, you also have to realize that this did nothing for the party's identity crisis, of which he is in the center. Because if the entire strategy is get Trump, get Trump. He just got you. He played you completely, Dana. What I don't understand is the Democrats wanted to die on this hill. It's always the hill for illegal immigrants. First you lied that the border was secure and you let in millions and millions and millions of them. They got all kinds of benefits the rest of us can't get. Then you stood there and said, we're going to stop lawful deportations of unlawful people. And now you said we're going to shut down the government to make sure that they get Obamacare, subsidies and premiums and they got absolutely nothing out of it except a headache. If you're a Chuck Schumer, you've got to realize this party elected people last week in blue states who never invited Chuck Schumer or Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton to campaign with them. It's a party at odds with themselves. They picked the wrong fight. And I think after 14 Cler's going for Joe Biden, they can't turn around and do the same thing for the president. If you're upset, everybody, if you're upset because your flight was canceled because somebody didn't get a check, you don't know if you're going to get back. You only have one party to blame and it's the Democrats.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

I want to get to a bigger picture about the American people with Joey. But let me go to you first, Jessica, about this, because what are you hearing? Is there a serious drumbeat about Schumer leaving, or is that just people airing out their frustration for a day?

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's going to be way more than a day. So you remember what it was like after he voted to keep the government open back in March, and people thought, okay, well, let's kind of see how this goes. And it did feel, actually surrounding this issue in particular, that the caucus was feeling decent about his leadership. Yes, he was not the number one surrogate out there on the campaign trail, but Democrats were coming off of a very good electoral week, so the big tent was in, you know, full regalia. I was at a liberal conference on Friday, and people were pretty high on the idea that we were winning races. Yes, in some blue states, but also in Mississippi and in Georgia, and that, frankly, we were united around the fact that Democrats are the party that cares about people's health care. And that's what this fight was about. And I think the thing that stings the most is that not only the eight senators who voted for this, but the reporting shows that there are a few more behind the scenes, apparently, that were telling them, please do this for us. We're more vulnerable than you are, and that they didn't think that we were mature enough to hear that argument out loud for them to come to us and say, these are the reasons we think we should take this deal, and maybe we should have taken it three weeks ago, even. But right now, I am hearing from constituents that are hungry. I'm hearing from constituents that cannot get to see their families. I am hearing from furloughed employees. So. So let's hold Senator Thune to his word. And apparently he and Dick Durbin had a conversation before Durbin, you know, pushed this forward where Thune said, I assure you, I will bring this vote in December. That doesn't guarantee Mike Johnson is going to do it, though. But I understand the celebrating. I feel defeated by this. But Republicans still don't have a health care plan. This election will be about health care. If they are on the record again as not wanting to extend these ACA subsidies that mostly benefit their own voters, that is something that Democrats will be very willing and able to run on in 2026, and that'll spell electoral disaster for them. So it's not as if they're fully out of the woods here.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Joey, I was thinking about you earlier because I feel like you have your finger on the pulse of people. You fly a lot. You're back and forth.

[Dana Perino]

I do fly a lot.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

And so the pain became so acute over this past week and it's not going to stop for a while. You also had military people who were not getting paid. They were having to go to the food banks, for example. There's a lot of people that were dealing with this where the members of Congress continue to get paid. And I think there's a lot of bitterness about how Congress continues to. I don't want to use Lucy with the football because we might use it five times in this segment, but it does feel very disappointing for people who already don't like politics.

[Dana Perino]

No, you're right. You know, I think just the stress and anxiety of should I go on this flight? I think a lot of people didn't have the anxiety of missing a flight because they just decided not to go. They decided not to take the trip. It's not just Veterans Day tomorrow. Today's the Marine Corps birthday and it's a big deal to, you know, all those Marines around the country that want to go to a ball or travel to a ball. So that was kind of how I felt that my sphere of influence and happy birthday, Marines. A lot of them are probably already drunk and probably have been since yesterday. But, you know, this whole thing, I think there are 28 million people on Obamacare. So I mean, that's not a majority of the country. Is it enough people that Republicans are going to lose seats over it? I don't know. I think at this point the Democrat play is to leave Republicans with the hot potato. Right. You know, they don't. Republicans aren't going to extend a bad, a bad band aid for a bad law. You know, the question is, if everyone on ACA needs a subsidy from the federal government, then how is Affordable Care Act a good law? Well, it isn't affordable as it exists. It isn't as it exists today. But if Republicans, you know, if all we have is John McCain holding a thumb down as a response to it, then neither party has an answer to it and then it becomes a debate. I think the one thing the Democrats got out of this whole thing was to elevate something that affects less than 28 million people to a national electorate. Conversation because I was on the phone with someone that works on this. And most of those subsidies stay in effect in different ways. So it's not like it's all just, you know, every, all 28 million people are going to pay twice as much. That's factually not true. But if enough of them have to Pay enough more. Perhaps it does become something that Democrats can use. They're not going to reform health care between now and the midterms. I don't believe that, Greg.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

40 days and 40 nights and this is what we got.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Gee whiz, I wish we just had a fast forward control from. Because everybody knew how this was going to go and the left is freaking out about this. If you go on Blue sky, they're screaming about Schumer. Whose fault is this? Who made this mess? You guys made this mess because we knew how this was going to end. This is just like the present day border hysteria. They destroyed the border. Trump gets elected and fixes it and then they blame him for the fix. It's just like the shutdown Republican. The Republican side seems so easily understood. Here's the budget. Let's go. The other side says, no, we won't. And even though we're not signing on, you're the one at fault and people are going to starve. Okay. Then the government opens up and what do they say? No, you caved, Schumer, you caved. My God. What are you doing? So wait a second. Who controlled the shutdown again? Because now you're mad that Schumer caved. So apparently he had the finger on the button the whole time and now you're saying, don't cave. I guess that means the starving people never really were starving to begin with. We knew that. We knew that. But we play along because we knew how this was gonna end. We just don't have the fast forward control to make it happen. Why do the Dems look so stupid? Not you, Jessica. They live on the surface level of politics. No depth, no nuance. If the Republicans are for X, we have to be Y. They don't understand that this is dead for the past 10 years. This is totally. With this whole kind of prison of two ideas. It's not working anymore for the American people. What's missing is persuasion. They did not do any persuasion. They did not try to convince anybody why they were right. And maybe it's because they don't have any examples of why they should be right, or maybe they don't have the muscles anymore. And that the Trump derangement, which then became Trump addiction, which is now, as we'll see in the C block, Trump estrangement. They did not build any of the muscles, they didn't preserve any of the muscles of persuasion. You can think. I'm trying to think. There's only one person that is. I mean, sadly for the Democrats, it's Mamdomi, he's the only one that might be persuasive. But the Democrats, it's funny. Why do they want health care now? Because they can't talk about crime and they can't talk about immigration. They can't even talk about the economy. So remember, if it's about the extension of an ACA subsidy, I hate to tell you, that's gonna be really easy to fix. You just say, all right, we'll delay three months. You want a year, we'll do six months. It's that simple. That issue's over. Then what are you gonna do? I just came up with that.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

My only point I would like to make is that unity beats to disunity every single time. And Trump, Thune and Johnson showed that they can stay together and they hung tight. And so they are the winners in this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But, but why is it that we can see this coming and they can't? That lady, that lady said it's like Charlie Brown, the football. It's like. Yeah, but everybody knows that except them. Like we all saw the same cartoon.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Exactly. All right. And don't miss Laura Ingraham's interview with President Trump that is airing tonight at 7pm Eastern. She will ask him about Chuck Schumer caving on the shutdown and much more. And speaking of Trump, it turns out that he has a surprising new talent in the NFL.

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[Greg Gutfeld]

President Trump doing a flyover over stadium amid reports that the new one could be named after him. 47, making a historic appearance at the NFL game between the Washington Commanders and the Detroit Lions and doing a little color commentary in the Fox booth. I played tight end, but I mean, it was not quite football like this. It was a little bit easier, wasn't so tough. And we had a quarterback who didn't have a very strong arm. I would say 10 yards was a long pass. Let's see. We have a very important, I think it's a very important couple of plays. Here we go. Second seven. Second and seven. Let's see what happens. Well, that's all right. Crossing Merritt, not bad. Takes it down to the five yard line. That's right, that's right. Good. Good runner. There we go. This is a very big play, don't you think? I think they have to get a touchdown. Let's put it differently. While Trump makes masculinity look effortless, these the handsy hurricane known as Gavin Newsom wants to win back the men who walked away from the Dems.

[Dana Perino]

I say this as a Democrat.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We need to own up to the fact that we ceded that ground. We walked away from this crisis of men and boys. This is an issue our party needs to address. We can't afford to, from an electoral perspective, to lose these folks, but we.

[Dana Perino]

Also can't on the basis of our values and what we claim to care about and represent.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And I say that on behalf of.

[Dana Perino]

Women that need better men.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, so that last line, Dana, it strikes me that we need better men. Okay, so Democrats see everyone in groups. Blacks, gays, women. What if he had said, you know, we need better blacks, we need better women. Why can he say that? Better gays, we need better gays. It's not about that. He needs a better party. Don't put it on guys, dude.

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[Greg Gutfeld]

If I can call you that.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

And I do wonder, like when Gillette came out with her toxic masculinity ad, oh, Lord, where did any other Democrats say anything? No, not as I would love to go back. We could. And actually, you know what, we can do this now with technology. Go back and look and see. Did Gavin Newsom say anything? What did the Democrats say? They were all for it. And so, yes, the crisis has been building for many years, but it goes back for a while, like the decades, especially during the Obama years. Now, Obama did try at one point talked about fathers needing to be more present and that. But that was followed by the attacks on title. Remember when all the Title IX stuff happened and they started going after men on campuses all over. So why do you think that men over 15 years started to feel like they don't matter and they were willing to be a part of society, but they don't want to be a part of that party anymore? I don't know how they crawl back from that. Maybe it's a. I'm not against them trying because I think it would be better overall for people if they stopped with all of this nonsense. But if they don't do that, then I think that they won't change their numbers at all.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Kellyanne, the party is in crisis. Their historic elected trans, who is a man, just got arrested for Pedophilia, a Democrat. Do not put the crisis on men, put the crisis on your party.

[Kellyanne Conway]

By the way, I want to be inclusive, Greg, and talk about toxic femininity too, if I may. But let me get back to President Trump first. He no one taps into the cultural zeitgeist or helps to create them quite like him. He just wants to be relatable, man of the people. He doesn't, doesn't have anything better to do. He knew the government was going to get reopened last night. He knew the Democrats had caved and he figured, let me come over here and have a little fun. I thought he was pretty humble and having a good time. First president since 1978 to do this. Now on Newsom. I think this whole matter of we as a Democratic Party have to do better among young men. Great, you admitted the problem, but I think California needs a better governor too. They have the highest unemployment, highest homeless rate. They have the highest regulation's highest electricity bills. 17.7% of the population is in poverty and growing. Close to 200,000 people homeless. The list goes on and on. Inhospitable to business, not enough water when you have fires that you could have probably prevented as well. But I give him credit in this way at least he's admitting something. You never hear from the mainstream media that the so called gender gap for years was the Republican Party's problem with women. We have a reverse gender gap in the age of Trump and it's the Democrats party's problem with men, particularly young men. I don't know if they're going to gravitate towards Gavin Newsom, but he had a good week last week. I think after Mondawi, the biggest explosive development was Prop 50 passing because it does give him the mechanics he needs to say, I got a big win in the age of Trump. It puts in peril. Five of our Republican members of Congress will make up those gains elsewhere. Hopefully they'll all be safe in their seats. But I do think him laying down a marker at this point without entertaining 20, 28 and just saying maybe, it's his implicit way of saying maybe went a little too far with DEI Men and women's sports doesn't just hurt women, it hurts men. And these teachers in the classroom telling little boys, shut up and sit down, play nice, you're too rough. We gotta let boys be boys, especially when they're younger and recognize there are two genders. I think this is the adjunct to his admission to the late great Charlie Kirk that we probably went too far with the men and women's sports thing. He admitted that months ago to Charlie, God rest his soul, and I think he's trying to continue. The problem is he's just a bad messenger for it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. You know, do you think his former campaign manager agrees that we need better men? Since he did bang his wife?

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[Dana Perino]

Yeah. Nothing exudes masculinity like a greasy politician that thinks that animating his words is working with his hands. That's not what working with your hands is, Gavin. Listen, young men, they're tired of being told they're a problem, that they're the problem, that the traits they uniquely possess are somehow inherently toxic. They're tired of living in a society that would rather coddle them than challenge them. They're tired of being a part of this thing that would discredit their primal need to start a family, get dirty, you know, work hard and defend those things themselves rather than be dependent upon the government for them. They're tired of being in a culture that said that basically, you can't even have a white male on a poster for the Labor Department because that's just racist. Why? Because that's the primeval. That's the bad guy. That's the colonizer. That's the person that's ruined everyone's lives, and they're over it. And you know what? Hispanic males. Same thing. You think they don't have traditional values in their home? Absolutely. Black men, they've been scapegoated for every problem in the African American community. Absent fathers. You hear that all the time from both parties. Men are working really hard to be good men. What you should do is acknowledge it rather than still tell them they're bad men.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So, Jessica, I saved the best for last. You know, watching Donald Trump do color commentary for at an NFL game made me think, how could Joe Biden pull that off? Would he be waiting to see whether there'd be a foul shot or. I don't know.

[Jessica Tarlov]

He went to an Eagles game. If I remember, I was trying to.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Put two words together that made no sense.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But you didn't play. Well, Donald Trump got booed pretty badly, actually.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Nobody cares.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Okay, guys. All right, so it doesn't matter if it happens to your guy, but it only matters if it happens to mine.

[Dana Perino]

We learned that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I get it. He's not popular in D.C. minus 67 approval and 74% strongly disapproved, but he's still got middle fingers and booed while he was up there. I want to talk about Gavin Newsom.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Whatever makes your day, Jessica.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You asked me, literally said, I'll give you the layup. I took the layup. Let me go now. So Gavin Newsom is talking about the Democratic Party and what's going on right now. The talking points that you guys were referring to about men is what happened in 2024, and rightly so. Democrats saw those election results and heard all of that and have been trying to change course. And the election results from last week gave a pretty strong indication that that has worked. Look at where Latino men voted. Look at the fact that black men came back to the normal levels in terms of elections in New Jersey and Virginia. Look at the fact that people like Mamdani, Cheryl Spanberger, and then, yes, all across the country, where we had other races, people voted for Trump in 2024, then turned out and voted for Democrats this time.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Trump is popular among men, is what you're saying, because he wasn't running, you got.

[Jessica Tarlov]

He can't be your crutch forever. He's not allowed to be on the ballot again. So you talk about Gavin Newsom. Prop 50 was a huge, huge win, well deserved victory lap. And you say, okay, well, we'll have to rig the game back, which it actually started with them asking about Texas first. And that's why Gavin Newsom did this. The problem is if these numbers from what happened on Tuesday hold, like in Texas, they're supposed to get five seats, but two of those seats you won't get if the Latino turnout isn't as they expected from 2024. There is work to be done. And this idea that you can just sit back and yell socialist at us or bad with men, it's not going to work. And Gavin Newsom is understanding the moment and has since the election when he started talking about, you know, a change in attitude about the trans athlete conversation. And it, as always, will come down to the economy. And Harry Enton this morning we're dealing with one of the worst views of current economic conditions since 1951. Sentiment down 30% from January. More than three in five Americans say that Trump's policies have worsened their economic conditions. 51% say that Trump's policies have worsened their own finances. People vote on their pocketbooks and Donald Trump is not delivering for them.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It'll be interesting to see if you guys come up with anything, though.

[Jessica Tarlov]

What do you mean?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Anything like a policy or an issue? Because, I mean, you do. You're talking about shifting away from something, but you've never actually owned up on what you're shifting away from.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, we're shifting Away from.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What are you shifting away from?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Shut down.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, coming up, Jimmy Kimmel's wife shuns her family members over Trump. Dry eyes, still gritty.

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[Dana Perino]

50 years ago today. All right. Trump derangement syndrome now ripping families apart. Jimmy Kimmel's wife and show producer, she reveals how she cut ties with her Trump voting family after begging them to not vote for him.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

It hurts me so much because of.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The personal relationship I now have where.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

My husband is out there fighting this man. And to me, them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And me and our family.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

And I unfortunately have kind of lost relationships with people in my family. Now when I see these terrible stories every day, I'm immediately mad at certain.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Aunts, uncles, cousins who put him in power. It's really hard and it's.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

I wish I could like deprogram myself in some way.

[Dana Perino]

What a support group. Alright. The fake news plays a huge role in families breaking apart. For example, two top BBC executives, they were forced to resign over a documentary. They spliced together two clips of President Trump speaking on January 6th, and they wanted to make it look like he seemed like he had directly told supporters to go storm the Capitol. And apparently that wasn't true.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Greg, you know, these stories are connected because how did you get to the point where people will no longer talk to their families over Trump? Is because of stories like that to portray Trump in a way that was false. The Fine People hoax was like one of the biggest ones. People were like, Joe Biden claimed that was the reason why he ran for president, was on the fine people hoax, which was obviously a hoax, and this now we see it is a hoax. But if you were to talk to Mrs. Kimmel, she would not know what you were talking about. She probably still believes the fine people in the story of fine people on both sides. She probably believes that BBC has never cut anything in her life. But you just. When people aren't planning on saying what they're going to say, truth comes out. The truth came out. She said it was her, she needed the deprogramming. It was not that there was something wrong with her relatives. She realized she was exhausted, exhausted by being angry all the time. But that's on her. It's like if you, you have a choice of putting these things in your head, you don't have to think about Trump all the time. The conservatives, I'm sure when she emailed her conservative relatives and said, here's the 10 reasons why you shouldn't vote for Donald Trump, which is what she did, they probably like looked at it and then went on and played pickleball. You know, they did something, they're not going to respond. Not because they don't like her, it's just because they got other things to do and she needs to have other things to do. She's producing a show, for God's sakes, which is terrible. They need to deprogram that. But anyway, the bigger issue for me always is why is it so important to them that you agree with them? It's a thing that has to do with ultimately with self doubt. When somebody needs you, you to agree with them, it's like they can't. Like, and I go back, the whole trans argument to me is the perfect example of this is that you couldn't question them on that because even they knew how if they were wrong, what that really meant, it meant children being mutilated. And it's like you have to call them on it.

[Dana Perino]

Well, I mean, Dana doesn't show like just an unconscionable level of self importance. Right. Like I would imagine her family doesn't have one spouse or the other that makes millions of dollars sitting in front of a camera for a living. Like they're probably doing some jobs and working hard and worrying about their bottom line and voting on issues that they feel like affect their life. But she's saying, you know what? To hell with your life. Take up for my hubs.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

So I am a podcast enthusiast I listen to lots of them. I enjoy them, but I think there are entirely too many of them. And it is okay to say, no, you do not have to do public therapy on a podcast that is going to get broadcast everywhere that will actually maybe hurt your family members more. We don't need to have public therapy on things like this. And I hope for her sake that maybe now that she's got it off her chest, she can move on, maybe try to forgive her family members, reach out and say, who cares about politics? Let's go get a drink and talk about what you're watching on streaming. Let's talk about sports. Talk about something unifying, because there are so many other things that matter than politics. Politics can be what you're interested in. It might even be your profession, but it doesn't have to be who you are.

[Dana Perino]

Jessica, what do you think about it?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I think that politics is my profession. It is a lot of who I am, and I am still able to have conversations and be close with people who don't have the same politics as me and that it is possible. I actually understand where she's coming from, more so than the anecdotes that you usually hear about this, because it's usually, like, people that are not. Haven't been personally touched by Donald Trump, right? Who just say, well, I hate him. And, like, he's a bigot and he's xenophobic and whatever. Like, Donald Trump has personally come after her husband. He almost, oh, my God, made a career. I'm just saying that I unders. Listen, guys, he got to have the biggest, most important job in the entire world. People are going to talk about you all the time. Some are going to lavish you with praise even when you do something objectively wrong. And some people are gonna make money off of going after you all the time. I'm just saying that it's different. And that's why we have defamation laws that protect people against these kinds of things. So her circumstance is a little different than just your regular Aunt Ida, I think.

[Dana Perino]

I don't know, Kellyanne, when I watch this, if I'm her family, I'm thinking, girl, that's a you problem.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Well, actually, she's ridiculing them. If anybody should know better about why people voted for Trump, it's her. Is people who have Trump voting family members. She grew up in Missouri. She went to school in Kansas. She's worth $50 million. If that's fake news, then you probably put it out there. And she is trying to get us to dehumanize her own family. By the way, you can criticize President Trump. He's the most criticized person around. But it's the dehumanization. She doesn't need to deplatform, deprogram. They need to stop making all of us around President Trump in the first term, his family, now him, his policies, his cabinet, less than human. And by the way, this whole thing about, I felt like when my family voted for Trump, they voted against my husband. What the hell did he run for? What ballot was he on? He's not the President of the United States. He's not even a comedian. Because they're funny. And I just, I think the whole thing is very self absorbed. But it goes one step further. She wants us all to hear through her big platform, podcasting platform, Dana, that the rest of her family members don't have that she has to apologize for her family members. They're just a bunch of backwater hillbillies with curly toenails and no front teeth running toward us with a passing familiarity with the English language. Well, she's talking about her family. It's insulting. Last point, because I know something about it. When your hatred for Trump outvalues your love for your family, you really need to take a look in the mirror.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, we know what that means.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, it means that. Up next, sleepy Joe Biden awakens from his slumber to rage against not the machine, but President Trump.

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[Kellyanne Conway]

Former President Joe Biden. Remember that guy? Well, he showed up in Nebraska for a fundraiser and yes, he's clearly jealous of his successor. Watch.

[Greg Gutfeld]

See what he's done. To the west, east wing of the People's House. White House. It's a perfect Symbol of his presidency. Trump is taking a wrecking ball not only to the people's house, but to the Constitution, to the rule of law, to our very democracy. Who in the hell does he think he is?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Joey? What do you think about Joey and his big comeback in Nebraska?

[Dana Perino]

Oh, here's the deal, man. He's eligible to run again, right? I mean, and the Democrat Party doesn't exactly have a lot of frontrunners right now. I mean, I think he's seen an opportunity. He saw Kamala implode. I mean, he can blame so much on so many people that come out with the auto pen. He can blame the auto pin and be like, listen, I'm a better president than they. Let me be. Let me come out again. That's what it is. He's ready for it.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Jessica, do you think your party benefits when we see more of Joe Biden, especially at a platform with a donkey otherwise known as.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He says ready.

[Dana Perino]

Not there, but he's ready.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, we can't do anything about the fact that that's our mascot, so. Or whatever. Whatever. Our avatar. We don't care. Like, you guys care more than we care. Like, people are moving on. People want to have Abigail Spanberger up and Mikey Sheryl up and Mom Donnie for those. If that's your bag.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Yeah.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

So. But to that point, Andy Beshear is the governor of Kentucky. He is a governor who's won twice, a Democrat who's won twice in a red state. He has, I think, aspirations for 2028. He spoke just before Joe Biden. That's presumably who we could be talking about today, but because Biden producers are saying that if he. If Biden's going to come out and speak and speak in that way, he is going to become the headline. So the exit stage right, left, just exit. And then people with the memory, if you go away, people will think about you better.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Greg, do you feel like you still have new, fresh jokes in you about Joe Biden?

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, I'm done. I'm completely done. But it is funny. You're right. You guys don't care. But it hasn't been that long ago that he was president. And so it just tells us that you were all pretending when he was president to care that he was president. And the moment he's outside the door, goodbye. We knew you were demented, you had problems. See you later, alligator. Somewhere, someone in the party should ask him how much money he needs to be comfortable and give it to him. You know, maybe a million dollars a year to be a spokesman for Amtrak or just work, get a contract.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Who offered Curtis Lewa $10 million, but 10 million do it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I, he just wants to be busy. Spokesman for Amtrak, do color commentary for, you know, the bingo channel. I don't know, but it's like you don't need, it's probably a good investment just to pay him to go away.

[Kellyanne Conway]

And his message was all about the shutdown. Everything he said, they undid the very next day.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm amazed that you were able to understand any of it.

[Kellyanne Conway]

I read it. I didn't. Up next, Greg Gutfeld takes on the liberal New York Times.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's Will Kane Country. Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through [e-mail] or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss the show. Listen and follow the podcast five days a week at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcast. Silence.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I was pretending I was a one year old having a smash cake. Okay, the one and only king of late night, Greg Gutfeld getting a glossy profile by the New York Times with an interview that's going viral.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Watch. They write letters, but they're so polite, though. The ones I get, I'm telling you, man, the ones I get, it's like, greg, we always respect your opinions, but I must ask you, please refrain from using the Lord's name in vain. Somebody who works at Planned Parenthood might have a different opinion about how polite the religious. Well, I mean, I'm killing children, so that's part of the game. In your face.

[Dana Perino]

That poor guy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hi.

[Jessica Tarlov]

What are your thoughts on your big interview?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, that's, that moment's funny because I, I like the fact that he had to laugh because you couldn't kind of escape that. But you never know what's going to catch on anything. And I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't expecting that. What we were talking about was what upset, what upsets a Fox viewer. And I go like, you know what it is? It's not difference in opinions. It's when you use the Lord's name in vain, that's when you get a lot of letters. And I was trying to explain to him. And I go, and I go, but the funny thing is all the letters are really polite. And he goes, oh. And he was like, oh, they're not polite to the New York. And that's like, that's when I said, well, you know, whatever. But it was all in all. But doesn't this guy David, that reporter, doesn't he look like a 3D printer made a New York Times reporter. He's actually. Yeah, he's a reporter. He's a good guy, though. But, you know.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, it's.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He has that look of disapproval.

[Jessica Tarlov]

What I felt really worked about it is that you were both being yourselves and you allowed each other to be that. You know how sometimes these things turn into. Well, Danny, you love this.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

What I loved about it is that one. He read all your books, so that's good. And hopefully he bought them off of.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, he read them all. Including the British.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

He read them all, and he kept referring to them. You also. I loved it when you said Hitler.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Is your soft spot.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Like, if that's gonna be the red. He said, like, what's the red line for you? And like, okay, like, when somebody calls me Hitler, that would be my red line. But the other thing that he does very well in here, and if you're a viewer of this show, listen to Greg's interview about the success of the Five and why it works and why others that have tried to replicate it can't succeed or haven't succeeded yet. And part of the secret sauce, I won't give it away here, so you go and listen to it. I loved it. Triumphant congratulations to you and congratulations to media relations, who didn't do it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

They were right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I did not want to do it.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

They were right.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And that's how they led it, which was so smart.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Because it was like I kind of just blurted out at some point. I said, you know what? I didn't want to do this. They made me do this.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Basically, they were correct.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Your secret sauce, though, it's making fun of yourself, making fun of your panelists. I thought that was really rich in terms of. It's so different from the rest of the, quote, competitors. They can't take a joke.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They cannot. I don't think on Kimmel, when your wife is the producer and you're the host, nobody's going to make fun of you.

[Dana Perino]

I'm just wondering why your cup was so boring. It's just like a little red coffee cup.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, that was theirs. Was that the New York Times?

[Dana Perino]

No unicorns.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No unicorns, no poop.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Step it up on the cups, guys.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

If you see Greg being neutral to someone on his panel, he does not like them.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Yep.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's how you know that I'm safe, guys. All right, One more thing's up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

True.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Those great whites, they have big teeth.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Will they bite you?

[Kellyanne Conway]

That you said that you would always.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Be in love, Never before Has it been?

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Now, for one more thing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Tonight at 10pm we have cat Timp, Guy Benson, Adam Hunter, and the great Jillian Michaels. Let's do this. All right, let's play the sound for the panel, and then we'll go around. All right, let's go this way. Dana, you're a warthog. A warthog.

[Dana Perino]

That's horses.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Horse.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

I thought.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah, it sounded horse footy to me. Well, maybe that'd been worth it.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Are we doing that now?

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, we're not doing that.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Donkey.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Donkey. All right, let's roll it. Oh, it's a porcupine named Elmer eating a pumpkin. And that's a sound they make, not.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Sounds that they make, not sounds of them doing something.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You make a good point. You could appeal to the guess the animal sound judge.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

I am appealing and I am going next. I want to give a shout out to my good friend Daniel Turner. He's an amazing person, and he raised this puppy, Napoleon, for the Canine Companions Program. Napoleon has graduated, and he will soon be paired with a young girl with disabilities who lives in New Jersey. So great work, Daniel and Napoleon today. Podcast promo. Colin Reed and Selena Zito.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

And Jessica. Do we have time?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes, we do. Okay. Police in County Clare, Ireland, thought a lion was on the loose. Crazy. But the fierce beast turned out to be a friendly dog named Moose. Just sporting a bold no haircut.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Excellent. One more thing.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Thank you.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Joey is yours.

[Dana Perino]

Happy birthday, Marines. 250 today. Go celebrate. Stay safe.

[Host/Moderator (Dana Perino or another main host)]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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