Socialism Spreading In Democratic Party

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five

Episode Title: Socialism Spreading In Democratic Party
Date: November 13, 2025
Host & Panelists: Kayleigh McEnany, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters, Dana Perino, Greg Gutfeld

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the perceived growth of socialism within the Democratic Party, sparked by recent political developments such as Zoran Mamdani's win in New York City and the election of a socialist mayor in Seattle. The panelists discuss the implications of these shifts, the role of identity politics, the party’s approach toward Trump supporters, the recent government shutdown, and party messaging issues. Social and cultural controversies, such as trans rights and women's spaces, are also debated, culminating in lighter commentary on Kamala Harris, AI in daily life, and other news.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Socialism’s Growing Influence within the Democratic Party

Timestamp: 00:35–08:30

• Kayleigh McEnany opens the discussion by noting socialist successes in urban politics, specifically in NYC (Zoran Mamdani) and Seattle (Katie Wilson), highlighting the perceived radicalism fueling these wins.
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) is cited for her outreach to Trump voters, with skepticism expressed by panelists about the authenticity and success of her efforts:
  • Greg Gutfeld: “I love. She says, ‘I can’t tell you how many times Trump supporters have come up to me and said, yes, yes, on Democrats, socialism...’ Well, I can tell you how many. Zero. Didn’t happen.” [03:16]
  • Gutfeld also compares the embrace of socialism to being “lab rats in their experiment,” adding historic warnings about socialism evolving into authoritarianism (referencing Venezuela).
• The panel argues that established Democrats are now losing ground not to Republicans, but to ideologically purist socialists:
  • Jesse Waters highlights the methodical organizational skills of groups like the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America):
    “The DSA has been quietly and systematically working to build their troops... They know how to organize. They have classes where you can learn how to speak better.” [06:09]
  • Dana Perino frames this as a generational and ideological shift, with younger, farther-left candidates replacing moderate, experienced Democrats.

2. Democratic Party Identity: Elites, Snobbery, and the Loss of the Working Class

Timestamp: 02:11–11:15

• Chris Matthews is cited for his critique that Democrats have become a “party of snobs.”
• Discussion of how the party’s base has shifted from non-college-educated, working-class support to being more elite and highly educated, alienating rural and middle-class voters:
  • Harold Ford Jr.: “20 years ago, you’d probably do your best to hide your snobbery. Today you broadcast it... It’s so alienating...that you feel like you’re living in another country.” [08:30]
• Reflections on AOC’s approach as an attempt to diversify the party’s appeal, but the panel remains skeptical of its efficacy and authenticity.

3. Party Factionalism, Social Media Hatred, and Intra-Party Smears

Timestamp: 02:23–05:50

• Senator John Fetterman’s experiences with online vitriol from his own party are discussed. The panel distinguishes between right-wing personal attacks and the more violent rhetoric received from the left.
  • Greg Gutfeld: “The right would say really rough things... But, on the left, it was like they want me to die or that they’re cheering for your next stroke.” [02:40]
• Gutfeld comments on the “hierarchy of smears,” suggesting left-wing insults can be more personal and harmful than political attacks.

4. Government Shutdown Aftermath and Intra-Party Democratic Turmoil

Timestamp: 13:47–25:55

• The panel analyzes the recent government shutdown, its political aftermath, and Democratic internal strife:
  • Greg Gutfeld: Points out the high cost of the shutdown and the lack of tangible gain for Democrats.
  • Jesse Waters: “By shutting the government down, we were able to focus on and get everybody else to focused on the unaffordability of health care… The Democrats are saying that you are expendable, that it was okay, it was worth it.” [17:06]
  • Dana Perino raises concern that health care policy debates were mishandled during the shutdown, calling for more nuanced leadership.
  • Discussion about potential Democratic leadership changes, especially scrutiny of Chuck Schumer.

5. Identity Politics and the Women’s Locker Room Confrontation

Timestamp: 27:12–33:16

• The viral confrontation between activist Tish Hyman and CA State Senator Scott Wiener over policies allowing trans women (biological men) in women’s spaces is discussed:
  • Jesse Waters: “She confronted one of California’s top liberal leaders…at a town hall” [27:24].
  • Greg Gutfeld: “She threw their one weapon, which is identity politics, back in their faces. She said, don’t use my civil rights story…to protect a biological fiction that allows women to be hurt…” [31:27]
  • Panelists strongly criticize Senator Wiener’s response and Democratic Party messaging for alienating women and the broader electorate.

6. Kamala Harris and Democratic Leadership Mocked

Timestamp: 33:32–37:40

• Kamala Harris claims on a book tour that she "outsmarted" Donald Trump:
  • Kayleigh McEnany: “For her to say she’s played three dimensional chess, she’s never even played checkers.” [34:44]
  • Panel unanimously mocks her assertions, suggesting her political strategy has been a failure.
  • The point is made that celebrating strategy after losing is unconvincing and counterproductive for future ambitions.

7. AI’s Role in Everyday Life and Game Night Cheating

Timestamp: 38:04–40:09

• ChatGPT and AI tools entering social spaces (like trivia nights and research) spark mixed reactions:
  • Kayleigh McEnany: “One of my favorite activities is research. And my friend was like, you got to use AI… I’ve just been thoroughly unimpressed.” [38:58]
  • Greg Gutfeld speculates if AI will become less reliable as it replaces its own data sources.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Greg Gutfeld (on AOC and socialism):
  “That’s like her, that's like a dog saying, ‘I can't believe how many times a fire hydrant has come up to me and said, hey, I really like getting peed on.’” [03:16]

• Harold Ford Jr. (on Democratic elitism):
  “...It’s so alienating...that you feel like you’re living in another country. And at a certain point, a lot of the middle and working class, they do feel like they’re living in another country.” [08:30]

• Jesse Waters (on the Seattle mayoral race):
  “The DSA has been quietly and systematically working to build their troops...they know how to organize. They have classes where you can learn how to speak better.” [06:09]

• Kayleigh McEnany (on health care and shutdown):
  “This was never about principle, it was about fighting...They don’t care about the federal workers, they care about the fight.” [21:20]

• Dana Perino (on party strategy and voters):
  “Politics is about looking at what happened most recently and what happened most recently. Candidates all across this country...from Democratic socialists to moderates...this is not what voters want.” [36:26]

• Greg Gutfeld (on locker room controversy):
  “Her name is Hyman and his name is Weiner...Hyman won, which is, you know, that's a shock, but it did. It exposed the woke pyramid of preferences.” [31:26]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:35–03:13 – Socialists' wins in NYC and Seattle, AOC's outreach claims, introduction of intra-Democratic snobbery
• 03:13–05:50 – Panel skepticism toward AOC; personal attacks over politics, Fetterman’s social media experiences
• 06:09–08:23 – Detailed discussion of DSA's success and leftist organizational skill
• 13:47–18:33 – Government shutdown fallout, party division, backlash, and implications for upcoming elections
• 27:12–33:16 – Trans rights and women’s spaces, viral confrontation in California, identity politics paradoxes
• 33:32–37:40 – Kamala Harris’ book tour and panel lampooning
• 38:04–40:09 – AI invading daily and social activities, skepticism, and anecdotes

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Themes and Tone

• Tone: Sharp, satirical, openly partisan; predominantly skeptical and critical of progressive trends, often mocking progressive leaders and ideas; sprinkled with humor and pop culture references.
• Main Themes:
  • Anxiety about the Democratic Party’s leftward movement
  • Concerns over elitism, snobbery, and alienation of working-class voters
  • Intense intra-party tension and personal attacks
  • The cultural impact of identity politics
  • Skepticism toward tech (AI) and progressive social change

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Five" offers a critical, often humorous take on the Democratic Party’s relationship with socialism, the impact of intra-party divisions, and the tensions between progressive leaders and mainstream voters. Through discussion of political events, personal anecdotes, and viral controversies, the panel argues that Democrats risk further alienation from key voter groups, with the specter of ideological purity and identity politics looming large ahead of upcoming elections.

Transcript

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[Kayleigh McEnany]

Hello everyone. I'm Kayleigh McEnany along with Harold Ford Jr. Jesse Waters, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City, and this is the five. The socialist fever in the Democratic Party seems to be spreading after Zoran Mamdani's win in New York City. Over in Seattle, they have just elected a socialist mayor, Katie Wilson, an inexperienced far left radical who got financial support from her parents. She's on track to take down the incumbent Democratic mayor who has worked in city politics for almost two decades. Aoc, meanwhile, is trying to get Trump voters in on the communist revolution. I fully welcome Trump voters into our coalition and I know that sounds crazy to some people, but just hear me out. I cannot tell you, it just happened to me like two weeks ago. I can't tell you how many times someone has pulled me aside and said either. I was once a big Trump voter and a Trump supporter and I watched Fox News every day. But then I started to kind of expand my world and where I got information and now I've learned and now I've changed and I'm with you and I learned from you. But will Trump voters really feel at home in the current Democratic Party? Former MSNBC host Chris Matthews notes how they turned into a party of snobs.

[Jesse Waters]

Democrats were an urban and a rural party.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They're still that.

[Dana Perino]

Are they a rural party? The people that didn't get a college are voting for Trump.

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Why?

[Dana Perino]

Because of snobbery and attitude.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Pennsylvania Democratic Senator John Fetterman, who earlier today got rushed to the hospital after a fall near his home in Pennsylvania. And thankfully he's doing okay. But before that scary incident I mentioned, he was talking about the level of hatred he gets on social media from members of his own party.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The right would say really rough things in names.

[Dana Perino]

You know, some names I won't, I.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Won'T repeat on, on tv.

[Dana Perino]

But, but, but the, on the left, it was like they want me to.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Die or that we're cheering for your next stroke or that's terrible. That depression.

[Dana Perino]

Why couldn't it depression One, and I.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Hope your kids find you.

[Dana Perino]

And then they even have, like, the graphic gif. They have, like, a stroke, you know, in your head.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

So, Greg, there's a slew of secret socialists whispering in AOC's ear.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I love. She says, I can't tell you how many times Trump supporters have come up to me and said, yes, yes, on Democrats, socialism. And I can learn from you. Well, I can tell you how many. Zero. Didn't happen. She made it up. Because one thing you know about Trump supporters, they're pretty solid on their beliefs about socialism. They make it pretty clear. That's like her. That's like a dog saying, I can't believe how many times a fire hydrant has come up to me and said, hey, I. I really like getting peed on. Because that's what socialists look at America as a petri dish. We're the lab rats in their experiment. AOC is saying, you know, lab rats, come join us. Embrace your tormentors. All socialists begin by saying they're democrat socialists, and then when that fails, they drop the adjective. They go full authoritarian. Look at Venezuela. The leader, was it. I can't remember, was it the ugly guy or the other guy? He pushed socialism for the 21st century. That was the slogan. Then he quickly shifted into authoritarianism with. He took control of the military, took control of the courts, took control of the elections. Concentrated power. That's what happens. There's no such thing as democrat socialism. It's just socialism. There's a class system here. It's the people who make decisions. And the rest of us. Trump's role in that, in that bifurcation, he's the agent on behalf of the rest of us. He's our. A hole lawyer that protects us from the elites. AOC pretends that it's the same role that they provide, that you could just simply switch lawyers, come over to our side. She is actually arguing on the power structure that made our lives hell. Think about everything that she's done.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

She's.

[Greg Gutfeld]

She was for defunding the police, higher taxes, more regulation.

[Jesse Waters]

She.

[Greg Gutfeld]

She chased Amazon out of New York. She's pro sanctuary and trance, cashless bail. None of these things. None of these things any Trump supporter would ever go for. She's just making this whole thing up. As for Fetterman, he touched on the hierarchy of smears. And I said it before. You can call me Hitler means that I can call you fat. Because in the hierarchy of smears, you left a whole lot of turf under Hitler. We will insult you till the Cows come home, shout out to the view, but we don't wish you're dead. We don't wish you're dead. But it's great because the personal smears hurt more because I can look in the mirror and go, I know I'm not Hitler. But when they look in the mirror, they go, yeah, they're right. I'm fat.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You're not fat, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, I was talking about Haley. Pilgrims.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I do look like a pilgrim today. Sorry about that. Should have saved it for Thanksgiving. Dana, you know, there's this mixed message where we're told there's no socialist takeover. And yet in Seattle, you have a socialist winning. In New York City, you have the whispering socialist aoc.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, I've been pretty interested in all of this for a while because when Zoran Mamdani was on the upswing, I looked around and I said, guys, it's coming to a city near you. I mean, look, yes, in Minnesota, he tried, but failed. But in Seattle, I was interested in this race because the guy was. The other guy that was running is a diverse guy who grew up with nothing, worked very hard, worked his way up. And she again borrowed money from her parents to do all of this. She and her husband choose to live in a 600 square foot studio apartment with a toddler. And she says, you too can live like me. Right? And now. But the other Democratic choice, and it's not that the guy who worked really hard and worked his way up was a Republican. He's not. He's a Democrat. And he's sitting there looking around going, wait, what? Wasn't I supposed. Wasn't I like the poster child for what we were going to be? The DSA has been quietly and systematically working to build their troops. And bad policy will beat no policy every time. They are super smart about it. They know how to organize. They have classes where you can learn how to speak better. They are teaching people how to go and be persuasive. Now in a lot of ways. To me, it's like the counter to Turning Point usa. And thankfully, Turning Point USA is growing so much. And their mission is assured because of Erica Kirk's stewardship there. And they're going to need them because Peter Thiel, who's an amazing entrepreneur and somebody, a technologist, he also says that it's understandable why younger people today are pulled in this direction because they feel that capitalism is not working for them. So if they're only getting that message and not hearing from anybody else, and that is going to win every single Time and she just. That young white woman, the awful. She is going to end up probably beating the guy who worked his way up through the Democratic Party and he's now the establishment and they don't want the establishment. Even if he checks all the boxes, if he is not socialist, they don't want him.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I think that's a fascinating way. I'd not thought about that. The DSA is the other side of the coin to Turning Point. I think that's spot on. It's terrifying. Jesse.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm not terrified. The socialists don't scare me. If you have a mayor who's out of control and she's a socialist and she runs one of these big cities, the President has to do his job and the governor has to do this job. You're basically babysitting a bunch of children. If they're not going to keep the Straits safe, if they're not going to build new housing, you just got to bigfoot them and come in. Now, the AOC thing, it's funny that she said that because the other day some black lesbian came up to me and she said, I've had it. I am ultra maga. It happens to me all the time. You'd be surprised. I actually know people that went the other way. They were pretty famous. I think his name was Bobby Kennedy. I think Tulsi, I think Musk, I think Rogan. And everybody forgets my good friend Jeff Van Drew. These are people who did leave the Democrat Party and came to be ultra maga. And that's fine. You swing back and people do swing. And that's why. Greg, don't look at me like that. But that's why this administration has to go blank to the wall before the midterms or else they're going to get whacked on costs. The snob factor. What's changed is 20 years ago, you'd probably do your best to hide your snobbery. Today you broadcast it. You just casually drop in conversation that, you know, Dartmouth keeps hitting me up for donations, like when will they stop? Or like my Guatemalan housekeeper, she left for like two weeks. I don't know what I'm gonna do. And what this does, it's so alienating and it's so off putting that you feel like you're living in another country. And at a certain point, a lot of the middle and working class, they do feel like they're living in another country. And that's why you have people that like, what's a pronoun? I remember on this show last year I didn't know what a trans was. I still don't understand what that means. And I don't care how many times Harold tries to explain it.

[Dana Perino]

I've never tried to explain it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Greg. Greg is right. You hear us talk about Biden. He's sleepy, he's slow, he's corrupt, he's incompetent, but we don't want him dead. But the way they talk about Trump, this guy's a Nazi. He needs to die in prison. What they said about Charlie, what they said about Fetterman and I wrote a book about this. I don't know if you guys remember. It's called Get It Together, still available, where books are sold.

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's about your deep seated insecurities. He's gotten me to read the Bible. I'm reading about sin. And this is all based in envy. Now it's the one sin that doesn't feel good.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Wow.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And that's what they all have. They're envious.

[Jesse Waters]

What about the one of murdering someone?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Harold? That's a good legacy to leave, getting Jesse to read the Bible.

[Dana Perino]

Two most important commandments are love the Lord and love your neighbor as yourself. We'll get to that part.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm going to write that down.

[Dana Perino]

First off, I'm glad that she's doing what she's doing. Kayleigh, whether you think she's going to be successful or not is a different thing. We've talked around this table numerous times about Democrats who are so monolithic, who are so homogenous in how they go about their work. She at least is saying we're trying to reach out and bring people over. I don't think it's as far fetched though, as we think you think about 10 years ago, what the makeup two or three election cycles ago for Democrats, what the makeup of the Democratic electorate was, it was mainly people who had not graduated from college, people who would not consider themselves elite. Today it's flipped. Democrats are elitist and far more educated and to the point. I agree with just about everything Jesse said in terms of how we look at how people looked at it. I think Dana and I, I talked about Seattle wrongly the other night. The last few days I thought that the moderate guy was going to win, look at the race more closely. He's likely going to lose and it's likely some generational issues there as well with this younger person beating this older person or. What I do know for a fact is that the best poll in politics are elections. And we had a poll just A few weeks ago, Democrats, we can talk about affordability, we can talk about cost, but we have to come up with answers and ideas. Nothing is permanent, nothing is inevitable in politics. It's all earned. In fact, good politicians, if they deliver, they get reelected, Their ideas are celebrated, and their ideas eventually are the ones that most Americans, as we think about politics, go forward with. So I think it's refreshing to hear. I sometimes disagree with the congresswoman from Queens, but I like this approach. I'm not convinced around the table that she's having MAGA supporters are flooding her mailbox and her email and coming up to her on the street as much as she said. But I got to tell you this. The only way Democrats we're going to win nationally and for that matter, even in big parts around the country, is we're going to have to convince voters that we have not only a better message, but a better plan to make their lives better. So I appreciate her doing what she's doing.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Well, on the note of the congresswoman from Queens, aoc, do you remember the last time you guys flipped a Senate seat? 2022, John Fetterman. I'd be listening to Fetterman over AOC.

[Dana Perino]

But I'm saying I listened to both of them, Kayla. But what she said there was that people are, she's wanting people to come over. We've been critical of Democrats. I think there was somebody we talked about a few weeks ago said, I'm only going to speak to Democrats we don't need. I think it might have been the congresswoman, the former congresswoman of California, Ms. Porter. Maybe it was her. I know it was someone, and we were critical of her. This congresswoman at least is saying we've got to bring people to our side. She's got to get better ideas. But she at least is yearning to bring new people to the party, which I think is smart.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Hope the party listens to Ms. Porter and not John Fetterman, but we will see. All right, up next, the Schumer shutdown is over, but President Trump is making sure Democrats will pay a price for their pointless pain and suffering.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Baby, I'm a rolling stone maybe you can miss me when I'm gone and I don't know if you really care to be biased.

[Dana Perino]

Things are a little different here.

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Government back open for business after the dumbest shutdown in history caused 90, 90 billion dollars in economic damage. President Trump putting the Dems on notice that they'll pay a price. We will never give in to extortion because that's what it was. I just want to tell the American.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

People you should not forget this when.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We come up to midterms and other things, don't forget what they've done to our country. The vast majority of Congressional Democrats were happy for millions of Americans to suffer. They really went out and they could appease the fringe benefits of their far left base. But that didn't work out because now their far left base is angrier than ever before. Dems are still salty about how they got bupkis out of the shutdown. The leathery lioness of politics and Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi raging while battling the wind.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You are the con job.

[Dana Perino]

You are the scam.

[Jesse Waters]

You do not believe in science or responsibility or anything. And it's all about money in the.

[Dana Perino]

Pocket of your friends and billionaires.

[Jesse Waters]

As we have seen, even with health care.

[Dana Perino]

Is the shutdown worth it?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, I think so.

[Dana Perino]

I hate it. But yeah, it was worth it.

[Jesse Waters]

By shutting the government down, we were able to focus on and get everybody else to focused on the unaffordability of health care across this country.

[Dana Perino]

Fighting to lift up the quality of.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Life of everyday Americans will always be worth it. So Dan, the shutdown costs $90 billion. The first shutdown under Carter cost $700,000. So it shows you that we're just not really good at these shutdowns. But do you think the lib the Dems are going to pay a price? You're going to have to play these clips when they say the shutdown was worth it because will people remember this by the midterms?

[Jesse Waters]

It's unlikely that they will. However, this deal only goes until the end of January. And if the Democrats feel like it was worth it, I think they wouldn't do it to the American people again. And if you look at those clips about how they say it was worth it, think about if you were one of those people who missed a wedding because your flight was canceled or you didn't get home in time for Little League, or you had to pay out of pocket for a hotel room because your flight was canceled again and you can get home. I mean, that's. The Democrats are saying that you are expendable, that it was okay, it was worth it. Because now we're going to talk about subsidies for Obamacare. Said Obamacare was a disaster at the time in 2012, 2013 and 2012. And I don't really want to hear a Democrat talk about how Obamacare is unaffordable without them explaining why. Yeah, let's talk about the COVID subsidies that ratcheted all of this up. And you're going to shut down the government again because of that. The other thing that is happening for them that might work in their favor in the long run is they are finally having the fight that they needed to have for a long time. Senator Cory Booker is the first senator that has said that Chuck Schumer needs to go. Other Democrats had said that, like Ro Khanna on the congressional side, but no other Democrats on the Senate side had. And now you're seeing that. So there might be a way for the Democrats to shake things up, to try to get some new leadership, some generational changes that might help them in the long run, at least have some new energy in the party.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well said. You know, Jesse, how convenient was it as the shutdown ended, out comes the Epstein files. And for like two hours last night, it captivated the lemmings in the media. We stand by and we just watch it collapse like Brian Stelter on a wicker chair. It's like, are you, are you at all surprised by the timing of that?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No. Obviously they had it. And they only released three emails at first. Yeah. And the Republicans were like, we're not going to play that game. We just dumped it all. And then you saw the context, and the context was he never did anything. It's a lot of innuendo. And they're going to smear him with that, just like they did with the Russia Hoax. You hang this dark foreboding cloud over the President's head and everybody plays guessing games and all of a sudden you lose the House. It's not going to happen this time because now we and online we can go and expose the BS instantaneously. Now, the shutdown might have legs. And here's why. We'll always remember Hakeem Sombrero. That will never go away. And anytime he talks back with the sombrero. Also, the base is now not just angry at Trump, the base is angry at the Democrats. And you're going into a midterm cycle where the base is now directing not all their energy at Trump, they're directing a lot of energy at Democrats. That means they're going to spend money, they're going to primary these people in the House and the Senate. And what happened when the Republican Party did that? They nominated a bunch of crazy people that lost in the general. Remember how we were always supposed to win all these great Senate and House seats, but someone believed they were a witch and they lost. Stuff like that. That's what they're going to do. They're going to nominate crazy people and they're gonna believe in 15 genders and then they're gonna die in a general election. And that happens. And they have to go through that process. Cuz we went through it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Good job.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Who I like, by the way.

[Jesse Waters]

And the night that she won that primary, I was on Hannity and they said, what do you think, Dana? And I said, I think we just lost Delaware. And I got so much hate mail.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, thank you. From the Wiccans. You don't wanna mess with the witches. I tell you, they'll put a spell on you. All right, so Kaylie, I love when Pelosi goes, she's like trying to find in her head the people to demonize. Rich billionaires. She doesn't say centimillionaires. Those are the people that have hundreds of millions of dollars because she's one of them. So she can only say the evil billionaires. It's so convenient that that's not on her list of villains.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah, she also fails to mention her stock trades. Convenient, right? She's got all the buzzwords, minus that. Still a mourning for that poor wicker chair under Brian Stelzer.

[Greg Gutfeld]

However, he's got others.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

He's got others. Four chairs. You know, as I look at this, I just think Democrats. This was never about principle, it was about fighting. You know, what principle were they setting? We want health care subsidies so in doing so, and wanting health care subsidies, let's force TSA workers to sleep in their cars. Let's put tens of dollars, tens of dollars in the bank's accounts of federal workers. And oh, by the way, let's force the military to take out mortgages, take out loans to pay their mortgages. That's the message. It's complicated message. It doesn't make sense because this was always about the fight. You go back to March where Chuck Schumer chose not to shut down the government. The polling at the time in March, by a plus 15 margin, said Democrats wanted their party to fight the Republican agenda at all costs. Chuck Schumer forewent that fight. You go to today after the shutdown and what do you see? 69% of Democrats still say their party's not fighting enough. They want to see a fight. It's why Spartacus, otherwise known as Cory Booker, stood on the Senate floor and had the longest filibuster ever. The base is yelling, fight, fight, fight. They don't care about the federal workers, they care about the fight. But they would be wise to heed the words of former adviser to Harry Reid, who after the first shutdown didn't happen, Chuck Schumer averted it. He said, Schumer is right. Dems are understandably spoiling for a fight, but this was not it. Fight, but pick smart fights. This was not a smart fight to pick.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know, Harold Kayleigh makes a great point about the thing about how like, if your intention is fighting, that's all you're going to get. Like, it's like we all, we have to. So you, you actually, there's no way to measure it. You can succeed. But at the end of the day, I hate saying that it's all you had was a fight. You have nothing to show for it. It's what Scott Adams calls an accidental affirmation. You convince yourself that this is the right outcome when in fact you got nothing.

[Dana Perino]

I said all along that if I were in the Senate, I would have voted early on to open the government. And then let's have the fight over the aca. They chose not to. The jury may still be out, but we do have an incredible data point about if Democrats were punished because of the shutdown. Voters voted coast to coast and said no. Democrats didn't lose anywhere last Tuesday and The shutdown was 25, 30 days plus in. Now. We have a long way to go to next year's election and we'll see what happens. But voters did not punish Democrats then Two, the health care thing is interesting to me. For the life of me, I can't understand why even during this process, both Leader Thune and Speaker Johnson and others, they weren't out talking about, here's what we want to do with the aca, because I agree that some of the things have been added to the ACA over the last few years because of COVID should be taken off. You're providing health care to people who are earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. We ought to figure out in some regions of the country that may make more sense than in other regions of the country. But we shouldn't kid ourselves either. Technology and medical breakthroughs and innovation are causing health care costs to go up. People are living longer and they're consuming more things, including medical care. So we as a nation have to step back and as much as, and I'm the first to applaud every cure, every medical innovation, every medical breakthrough. But we have to understand what that does to our overall health care system. And you combine that with the challenges we face with people who live in rural America and in parts of urban America who don't have access to some of this healthcare. Finally, if I were President Trump or if I were Democrats thinking about, I try to say this all the time between now and the end of January, Dana touched on one thing. We're going to get some ending to this because, or some clarity around it because the government will close again January 30th if they don't come up with a long term budget. But you have the Supreme Court decision on tariffs that will likely come in the next week or so. You have the Fed that will decide whether they're going to cut rates beginning December 9th and probably December 10th. At that meeting they have there, you have the Epstein files, which has been talked about here. I don't have a strong opinion about this, but it's very likely and clear that the only way we're probably going to get into this is some sort of transparency around it. And finally, this ACA vote will take place in December as well. So there's a lot on the agenda. I think President Trump is smart to get out in the country. I think he's not smart to, to try to tell people that they are able to afford things and if things are not as expensive as they think. I've said before, there are a lot of politicians who try to tell voters, crime is not big in your neighborhood. We don't need the borders shut. And guess what, you're doing much better economically than you think most of them are sitting at home. And I would say to Democrats and Republicans, get out, listen to voters and try to figure out and come up with answers. That's how you win.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hey, tell you, Harold, I did look at the a lot of the Epstein file emails and you were mentioned in them. There was one where Epstein.

[Dana Perino]

Let's be very clear, I never met this man. You were lying. No, no.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There's one where Epstein says, I would really like to buy a Ford. I'm thinking of buying a Ford. I think that you're gonna have to answer to that.

[Dana Perino]

This one is not funny to me. What this guy did and what that woman is in jail. I know I have. No way. I know.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You're just play on words, Harold. Lighten up. Okay, I love you too. My goodness. I love you too. Coming up, coming up, A black lesbian confronts one of California's liberal leaders about dudes in locker rooms.

[Dana Perino]

Force factor, better term promotes it's will tame country. Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through Thursday@fox news.com or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss the show. Listen and follow the podcast five days.

[Greg Gutfeld]

A week at Fox newspodcasts.com or wherever.

[Dana Perino]

You download your favorite podcast.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Men, grown men with big in a women's locker room.

[Dana Perino]

And that's why I'm getting kicked out.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And I want to make sure the girls know.

[Jesse Waters]

So the woman who went viral for confronting a biological man in the women's locker room at an LA gym is not done speaking out. She's confronted one of California's top liberal leaders, Tish Hyman, going face to face with state Senator Scott Wiener about the incident during a town hall style meeting.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm deeply concerned about women's safety in female only spaces. What would you say to women who are seeking assurance that their safety will be protected from men who by California.

[Dana Perino]

Law can self ID as women and women only spaces? Sir, please tell me. Yeah, so we want, I mean everyone to be safe. And we also know that, you know, we have trans people, both men and women, who are men and women. And so, you know, we. So if you're trans women or women.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Wrong.

[Jesse Waters]

Kaylee. She was very respectful. She's, you know, she was there to ask a simple question. She got a very complicated convoluted answer.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Good for her for pressing this. I mean this is basic common sense. We talk all the time about biological men and women's sports literally all the time. That's an 8020 issue and in this case, this is Tish Hyman from the Gold's Gym that went viral. We all saw the tape. Well, Tish Hyman, the individual she confronted, said he deserved access to the gym because he wanted self feminine power. Self feminine power. This is the biological man she did not want to watch Undress. Biological man she did not want to watch Undress was sentenced to a year in prison, minus time served. He had been convicted of both domestic violence and drug trafficking in the past and a slew of other charges. So this individual, if you pulled this, this is an 80 20. This would be like 99 1. And the left would be wise to either drop talking about this issue entirely or start talking about it the way Gavin Newsom has in that interview with Charlie Kirk.

[Jesse Waters]

But, Harold, is there something, maybe the state senator, Mr. Weiner, believes that this is the case, or is it something in the Democratic Party that makes them think that they have to answer that way or else they'll get canceled?

[Dana Perino]

I can't speak for everybody in the Democratic Party. I can speak for me. This is one of the dumbest, most outrageous things. This young woman was right. And this state senator, I disagree with him. I hope when he's up for reelection, he doesn't get reelected. But this is not. Democrats that won last Tuesday didn't talk about any of these issues. And if we want to get back to winning, we better start talking about the economic issues. As my great friend James Carbill once said, it's the economy.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse, do you think that he drinks out of a straw in public?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, you can tell because he's wearing argyle socks and he's crossing his legs and he's twirling the microphone cord like a girl. I can't identify as black and join the naacp. I can't identify as Native American and open a casino. You can identify as a woman and go into a woman's locker room. If you have those parts, you go into the male locker room. Female parts, you go into the female locker room. Let's just do what we've done for thousands of years, okay? It's not that complicated. In the 1990s, if you saw a penis in a girl's locker room, they'd kick the guy out. Today, if you see a penis in the women's locker room, they kick you out for complaining. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And if you're upset with Epstein, but you're not upset with this, you're not doing it right.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Great point.

[Jesse Waters]

During this event, she said finally, like, I'll leave. And the moderator tried to cut her off. And she said, you don't have to cut me off. I'm leaving. And the moderator said, no, you don't have to leave. And she said, I am leaving because you know what? You guys are not protecting women. And that is her crusade. That's her point.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You gotta see that whole clip, because it's incredible and it's not dumb. It's actually really dangerous and destructive, this ideology. I have to point out that her name is Hyman and his name is Weiner.

[Jesse Waters]

I wrote the same thing down.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, yes. And Hyman won, which is, you know, that's a shock, but it did. It exposed the woke pyramid of preferences. A black feminist lesbian is viewed as a villain, inferior to a violent felon who broke a woman's jaw and then took her name and pretended to be a woman. So she actually. You have. She threw their one weapon, which is identity politics, back in their faces. She said, don't use my civil rights story, the story of blackness, to create or protect a biological fiction that allows women to be hurt and kids to be mutilated. I mean, she went right at them. And this is important. So there's this writer, Wesley Yang, who documents all this stuff. We have male murderers of women who are put into women's shelters and prisons where they kill one actually beheaded a woman. There's the attempted assassin of Brett Kavanaugh. He had, like, 20 years reduced from his sentence because he stated he was a woman and got a special preference. There was a registered sex offender who loitered for hours in a high school girl's locker room in front of kids when they got his phone, he had to schedule for children's swim lessons as well as child porn in on his phone. All of these people Scott Wiener would defend instead of the women there, she should be running for Pelosi's seat. Not that Wiener. This guy was. Is the worst kind of coward. She was sharing a risk, taking a risk, and he chose the mob over her.

[Dana Perino]

Is this sad for Congress?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, he's trying. He wants Pelosi's seat.

[Dana Perino]

Wow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, coming up next, Kamala Harris says she actually outsmarted President Trump.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Actually.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

If you're an illegal alien.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Different.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You'Re going with a dictator. Is it time for a wellness check on Kamala? The loser of the last election says she actually outsmarted the winner.

[Jesse Waters]

I made a decision that I wasn't going to get played. And.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Chess, not checkers. Got it.

[Jesse Waters]

Chess, not checkers.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Three dimensional chess.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Okay, Dana, do you think she knows what Outsmarted means.

[Jesse Waters]

I think that Trump was playing chess, she was playing Candy Land.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I love Candyland.

[Jesse Waters]

That was a great. I could always beat my sister. But you know, when your sister's younger than you, you can always win. Sorry, Sorry, Angie. I really feel like her book because I care about the Democrat. Her book tour needs to end.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's a long tour.

[Jesse Waters]

More people just saw her on that than listen to the podcast because we keep playing the clips where she's saying things that don't sound smart. And I stand by what I said before. I do not think she is running in 2028 at all.

[Dana Perino]

Okay.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Do you think she's running and is this book tour helping Kelly?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I do think she's running. I don't think it'd be wise to run, but I do think her ego would not, would cannot keep her from running. She is running. She has two eye of an ego. But for her to say she's played three dimensional chess, she's never even played checkers. I mean, she couldn't solve the border, she couldn't achieve anything of meaning with President Biden. And then her three dimensional chess looks like losing all seven swing states, losing 312 electoral votes, allowing the Republican to win the popular vote for the first time in 20 years, make 13 point gains among Latinos, 15 point gains among black voters, and 19 point gains among Gen Z. If that's three dimensional chess, keep playing it and run, run, run in 2028.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

She also just said, Harold, that this was like the closest election of the century.

[Dana Perino]

You know, I said in the last segment, the best poll is an election. We just had an election. The fact that she's not out talking about high prices, the fact she's not talking about ways to ensure that we're able to create and attract jobs to America as we get through, as we continue to go through an AI revolution. It does not look, I don't know what she's trying to get accomplished here if she's not running, which I think Dana's been saying this for a long period of time now, and Dana's probably right. What are you trying to get accomplished here? Because if you are trying to run, this is not helping you. Politics is about looking at what happened most recently and what happened most recently. Candidates all across this country, many of them we'd never heard of, who've moved into the forefront from Democratic socialists to moderates across the country. This is not what voters want. So for the life of me, I can't figure out what it is she's trying to get accomplished.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, she didn't give the voters what they wanted when she was in power. Why would she do it when she's out?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Greg, you know, Joe Mackey made a great point last night. She says 3D chess. Chess is already 3D. She probably meant 4D, but she probably had drank. Had already drank a 40.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You're so good.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, thank you. Today we're doing the segment, but last night we did this on my show and then our show got bumped it. So Kat Tamf made a brilliant point. And so I wanna. I hate. I have to credit her. Who boasts of a strategy when you lose.

[Jesse Waters]

Right?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, that's.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's like.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What? It's just the most bizarre thing. I mean, if she plays chess or checkers, it's probably with a helmet. I think she might be auditioning for a different kind of job. One that doesn't really involve talking, but laughing and having a great time. She wants to be the spokesperson for Carnival Cruises. You just see her saying. Saying, come to Jamaica. Come to Jamaica. I like it.

[Jesse Waters]

You know that her book tour has now lasted longer than her campaign.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Wow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow. She should read a book.

[Jesse Waters]

I didn't do the math yet, but I mean, it feels like it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Okay, you've done the math. We don't always do math on this show. It's fine. Coming up. Did AI just ruin game night? Hanging lights takes too much time.

[Dana Perino]

Is anything safe from AI anymore? People are using ChatGPT to cheat at fun activities like escape room trivia nights and even book clubs. Dana, can you believe it?

[Jesse Waters]

I hate all of this. You are only hurting yourselves. But I do think it's going to become a thing to have, you know, you put your phone away at a comedy show. I think that that will be the case at some of these other things and that would be a blessing for all of us. Like, let's do that.

[Dana Perino]

Mr. Gutfeld, what are your thoughts on this?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't know. You know, I feel like AI, the more people use it, the less information it can offer. You know, if you. If AI is culling knowledge from all of these websites, then these websites go out of business and then the websites, you fold and there goes your sources for AI. So I think over time, it's going to shrink like a shriveled little ball.

[Dana Perino]

Interesting. Ms. Caleb, how do you think about this?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I got to say, not to out myself as a nerd here, but one of my favorite activities is research. And my friend was like, you got to use AI So I started trying to use it this week, and I've just been thoroughly unimpressed. Maybe I'm using it the wrong way. I'm sure I am. But I just. I'm not impressed with the research. So I got my fun still going.

[Dana Perino]

Jesse, you told me in the green room that one of the reasons that ChatGPT doesn't affect your games, because you do a lot of dice games. I'll tell you what.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I was playing Trivial Pursuit with my sister about 15 years ago when I visited her at college, and I disputed one of the answers because I assumed I was right and the game was wrong. And so I just called the brain room and had the brain room answer the question. Now, we have had AI for years. It's called the Fox News Brain Room. We just ask people questions who are like you. They love research. Kind of nerdy, but they're good and they will answer your questions very accurately. It just takes a little longer than AI And I was abusing the brain room by doing that in my spare time. And I'm sorry. And if that's Fox News policy, dude, AI.

[Greg Gutfeld]

AI is so much faster and better than the brain room.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The brain room.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I love the brain room.

[Dana Perino]

How dare you.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Brain room.

[Dana Perino]

Lock the phones up and play Monopoly. One More Thing is up next. I'm being told this is legal.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

It's time now for One More Thing. Jesse.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Mother Nature, I mean, you know what I mean? Kaylee, look at this beautiful woman. There she is. Those are called the Northern lights. Spotted across the United States from Wyoming all the way down to Bama and Florida. Brilliant shades of pinks, purples and greens. This is Washington State. God, I could just lose myself tonight. Jesse Waters, primetime Obama's DEI disaster. He's not a guest.

[Jesse Waters]

A throwback.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, tonight we got a great show. It's Cat, Timp, Chael, Sonan, Steve Byrne, and Kennedy. Let's do this quickly. Richard, Greg, Celebrity activist news. Well, to protest the lack of climate action under the Trump administration, here we have Governor Pritzker out on the road blocking traffic. It is completely irresponsible for a political leader to do such a thing. Although it's actually just a sea lion blocking a road in Washington.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Dana.

[Jesse Waters]

Okay, there's a.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Well, su.

[Jesse Waters]

I never go in the ocean. Jesse, get this. A great white shark, the largest one ever recorded in the Atlantic. It's on the move. 32 years old, 1600 pounds, over 13ft long, off the coast of Atlantic City.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Whoa.

[Greg Gutfeld]

32. Is he single?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Very nice.

[Greg Gutfeld]

32 years old. How do they know?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

32 is young.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How do they know he's 30?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Graciously let me cut him to say I'll have James Carville on this weekend. Tune in Saturday in America, 10am Eastern Time.

[Dana Perino]

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