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Dana Perino
Hello everyone, I'm dana perino along with kayleigh mcenany kennedy, jesse watters and greg gutfeld. It's five o' clock in new york city and this is the five. And just moments from now, President Trump will join us live for an interview and there are a lot of things to discuss, including the big news he just made about Iran. The President announcing that he's extending his deadline by 10 days for Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz before bombing their energy sites. He says talks are ongoing and going very well. Here he is earlier during his Cabinet
President Trump (Cabinet Meeting Clip)
meeting, but they're talking to us because they've got a disaster in their hands. They're defeated. They can't make a comeback. We're free to roam over their cities and towns and destroy all of their crazy nuclear weapons and missiles and drones that they're building and we're doing that and they'll tell you we're not negotiating. We will not negotiate. Of course they're negotiating. They've been obliterated. Who wouldn't negotiate? They are begging to make a deal. You know I told you about a president, right? They said to show you the fact that we're real and solid and we're there, we're going to let you have eight boats of oil. Eight boats. Eight big boats of oil. This was two days ago. And they'll sail up tomorrow. The reason they want to make a deal is they have been just beat to.
Dana Perino
Meanwhile, Centcom announcing 10,000 Iranian targets have been struck since epic Fury began, and 92% of their large naval ships have been destroyed. But some Democrats feel like America is actually losing this war.
Greg Gutfeld
We are losing this war.
President Donald Trump
If Trump were to stop the war tonight, he would have to negotiate with the Iranians that to reopen the strait that they have closed. That's why he's begging.
Jesse Watters
He's begging our greatest adversary, it's getting worse than better.
Unknown Commentator
This is a really outrageous move he's
Jesse Watters
making with no clear plan in terms of what we're trying to get out of this. Not one more set for this reckless,
President Donald Trump
illegal war that is making no one more safe and no one more free.
Dana Perino
So, Jesse, the President talking for a long time during the Cabinet meeting, laying it all out. Did he make a good case?
Greg Gutfeld
Yes, he did. And the extension of the deadline, I don't really put much stock into it. I've seen him do that before and then kaboom. But I would make an overture to the Iranians. I would do the deal. We had Jack Keane on last night, and he said the United States military will secure the strait by force and they will keep it open for as long as they have to. That's why foreign navies are rallying to the region. That's why Marines paratroopers are headed towards the theater, and that's why we've been softening up Carg island and the coastline. And we just took out the Iranian Strait commander yesterday. Securing the strait, Keane said, has been part of US Military planning for decades. We've conducted these exercises in order to execute this mission since he was a division commander back in the 1990s. So we're going to be sending these warships in, we're going to have defensive systems, and. And we even have this counter drone strategy. You can slap this machine to a tanker and it can protect it from retaliatory strikes from the Iranian coastline. It is challenging, though. I mean, there definitely will be casualties. There's no doubt about it. This is absolutely a very risky maneuver. But we've been degrading their offensive capabilities pretty significantly, especially the Navy. And now two thirds of the defense industrial base have been eradicated, so they can't rearm. The riskiest move is car. You're going to have to come in with parachutes or an amphibious landing at the dark of night under enemy fire. You're going to have to secure airstrips so helicopters can land and resupply and then hug the oil infrastructure because the Iranians aren't stupid enough to hit that. And then that's the move. Once you get that, you can squeeze the revenues and then have maximum leverage over the negotiations. And hopefully this is the kind of knockout blow that can bring them back to the negotiating table and then we can deal with uranium later.
Dana Perino
One of our allies in the region, the Emirates, their ambassador to the US put a op ed, I believe it was in the New York Times, maybe the Journal, saying that a cease fire isn't good enough, that this job needs to be completed because they don't want to live with a neighbor like Iran anymore.
Kayleigh McEnany
Isn't that interesting to see these Gulf states, state ally, step up and you juxtapose that against the President's comments today in the Cabinet meeting about Naito. And he said quite clearly, naito, I expected you to be there before, and now you're coming around after, after we've annihilated Iran. It's really interesting, this recalibration of relations that we see in our diplomacy. NATO's mission is to create the essential and enduring purpose, to safeguard the freedom and security of all its members and ensure the collective defense. Well, how are you doing that if you don't join the United States with Iran? Especially when you look at. I learned a lot today from Steve Witkoff. Steve Witkoff said, we walked in, we were instructed by the President, me and Jared Kushner, to get a diplomatic solution. And the President was clear. No enrichment, no chance of weaponizing. The decommissioning of Fordeau, of Natanz, of Isfahan, of these nuclear facilities. He laid out everything, reducing your range capability. Well, what did the Iranians do in response to that? The Iranians said, wait, we have the inalienable right to enrich. Inalienable right to enrich. And we have 60% enriched material, 460 kilograms of it, and enough to make 11 atomic bombs. This is a suicidal regime. And the fact that NATO didn't come on board and say we must end the suicidal regime together, if not now, when if not President Trump, then who would have done it? Only President Trump had the courage to do this.
Dana Perino
And one thing that's interesting is that the Gulf allies are saying that Israel's been fairly quiet. Kennedy, I think. Well, quiet in terms of verbal talking, but they are speaking loudly with being able to target a lot of these sites, the missile sites in particular. And now the head of the Iranian navy is no more.
Kennedy
Yes. And. And Israel has been very proactive in taking out anyone who can be seen as dictating Iranian policy and, of course, anyone who might be in the line of succession to run the Islamic Republic as an Islamist state. And it's interesting that the congressman from Texas was talking about no one is safer and no one is freer. It's a little soon to be talking about the fact that we're losing this war. Also, it's a little soon to be talking about the fact that we're winning this war because we don't know right now what success looks like. But Democrats are very quick to say what failure looks like. And what they are failing to acknowledge is the people within Iran who have been waiting for something like this for a long, long time, and they have a very different view of what's going on. Vers what Americans might think. And I think it's fair for Americans to be skeptical here, but they at least have to acknowledge the freedom that these people are fighting for. And when you have pundits going on msnow and CNN saying that, you know, I think Trump is a bigger liar than anyone he might be negotiating with in Iran. That is so false and offensive on its face. But they will do whatever they can to make sure this president loses. And I think, you know, what we all have to be hoping for is a good and speedy outcome that takes as few lives as possible, particularly from American service members. And, you know, we pray for them. We want them to be successful. But I think it is fair to
Kayleigh McEnany
ask, what does success look like?
Dana Perino
And, Greg, the Democrats have shown they're willing to take money away from TSA agents. And one of the congressmen there said no more money, not a single dime for these Operation Epic Fury. Would they really leave our men and women in harm's way without the funds they need?
Jesse Watters
It's politics before patriotism. You know, I was psyched when America got bin Laden, and that was under Obama. And I didn't, like, go, damn it happened under that evil Barack Hussein Obama. But I was really happy. Went to Times Square, celebrated with a bunch of people. It was awesome. This is this is you can. You can feel it when you listen to the Dems. They want this to fail. If they had to choose between a defeated Iran with millions and millions of citizens no longer under the thumb of a fascist theocracy, or an embarrassed Trump with an empowered Iran, they would pick the latter because they don't factor human tragedy when they're feeding their ego. This is the I need to be right and it doesn't matter. Like, it's worse if they're wrong. I've been thinking about the debate over the war, and it isn't, and I think Kennedy nails it pretty well. It isn't whether you agree with it or not, because we're good with both. No one begrudges whether you disagree or not with the premise. It's when you're annoying about it. You know, for example, you could be mad at Trump for going into Iran, but you can still support the troops and want the mission to be successful. That's actually pretty noble, you know, but hoping it's a disaster because you don't like the decision makes you a douchebag. Likewise, I would say, calling into question someone's patriotism who voices unease with the war. That's also kind of douchey. And it's completely appropriate to be uneasy about a war, but it's what you do with the unease that help, whether it helps or it doesn't. It's like, I don't understand what, like, you know, Cory Booker, like, what is he thinking in his head? You know, he. He just voluntarily becomes part of the noise. I'm just going to join in. We already get plenty of noise. Say something interesting and I wrote this down, but I think you pretty much said it, Kennedy. It's as simple as just saying, I hope this is completed quickly and effectively, and later we can dig into the hows and the whys afterwards.
Kayleigh McEnany
Thank you, Greg.
Jesse Watters
You're quite welcome, Kennedy.
Dana Perino
Greg. All right, well, don't go anywhere. President Trump joins us next.
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Jesse Watters
All right. President Trump joins us on the phone live. Hey, Mr. P. It's your favorite talk show host. How you doing?
President Donald Trump
Well, that's true. That's true. Greg, how are you?
Jesse Watters
I'm doing great. It's always good to hear your voice.
President Donald Trump
Thank you. Yeah, Congratulations. Congratulations on beating all of those frauds that try to compete with you at a certain time of the evening. You're a little earlier, but I will tell you, the numbers are incredible. Your numbers and their numbers are incredibly bad.
Gavin Newsom
Yes.
President Donald Trump
And they deserve it. They have no talent, but Congratulations.
Jesse Watters
Thank you, Mr. President. So we all have a bunch of questions. I'm sure we'll get to one of them. I want to ask you, like, how do you deal with people who might be disappointed because they voted, let's say they voted for you on the assumption of no wars, and then this happens and it's inconsistent with their wishes. What would you say to them?
President Donald Trump
Well, I have to do something in terms of making America great and keeping America great. And when you have lunatics with nuclear weapons and the power is beyond belief, I will tell you, as a president, I get to see it. My uncle was a great professor at mit, and he knew more about nuclear at the time than anybody. He told me stories that were horrible in terms of the power, both beautiful in terms of putting it to good use, but really bad for destruction purposes. And his statements from years ago were, you know, he really got it. He really got it. He was a highly respected man. He was there for 41 years at MIT as a great professor. And he. He told me about a thing called nuclear. And at the time, nobody knew too much about it. And he said exactly what it was all about. And you can't let a madman or you can't let a mad ideology have a nuclear weapon. And we hit, as you know, we hit 50,000 in the Dow. Everyone said it would be impossible in four years. I hit it in my first year. We hit 7,000 in the S and P. And everyone said that would be even more impossible. We hit it in my first year. And I said, we have to take a little bit of a detour. We have to take a little journey to a place called Iran where these med people were going to have a nuclear weapon. And they could do tremendous damage, not only to the Middle east and Israel, but also to our country because we would be next. And I said, we're going to take a little detour and we're going to go and we're going to knock them out. And that's what we've done. We have the greatest military in the world. And it started with the B2 bombers, which made it impossible for them to do the nuclear. They would have had if we didn't hit them with the B2 bombers like eight months ago. If we didn't do that, they would have right now a nuclear weapon and they would have used it by this time. And it also happened with Barack Hussein Obama, if you've ever heard of him. Barack Hussein Obama, terrible president. Absolutely a divider and a terrible president. When he did the Iran nuclear deal, he gave them a path to a nuclear weapon within a short period of time. They would have had a nuclear weapon a few years ago and they would have used it on Israel, they would have used it on the Middle East. And you saw that when this all started, they had no huge problem with, no tremendous problem with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and you take a look, and UAE and Kuwait, Oman. They had no problem with them. They had, they were doing fine. And yet they hit them with, in the case of UAE, 1,400 missiles, ballistic missiles. And what they were going to do is they were going to hit the Middle east and they would have hit it with nuclear if they had it because they're stone cold crazy. So in order to keep our country great, I said we're going to take a fairly short detour. We're going to show everybody that there's nobody even coming close to us militarily. Nobody even comes close. We have the greatest weapons. We have the strongest military. And I rebuilt it. I built and rebuilt our military in my first term. And I got to use it a little bit more than I would have liked to be able because we had Venezuela now we have this. But we're going to keep our country safe. You can't let this happen to us or frankly, anybody else in the world. We're doing a big service to the world.
Kayleigh McEnany
Mr. President, Kayleigh McEnany here. I do want to ask you about the breaking news you just put out on Truth Social that you will be pausing and energy plant destruction by 10 days to Monday, April 6th at 8pm Eastern Time because the negotiations are going very well. I would never ask you to reveal to the public specifics, but could you broadly characterize where we are at?
President Donald Trump
Well, the Iranians asked me to do that and I was not happy with them because I made a statement that we're having productive negotiations. I don't know that they get there Maybe they do, maybe they won't. I mean, look, in a certain sense we've already won because we've knocked out their navy. We've knocked out their air force, completely knocked out their air force, just about completely knocked out. We knocked out 154 ships and pretty good ships. In fact. I said, why don't we just take them instead of sinking them? We could have used them ourselves, right? But they like, they like showing how tough they are. They like them at the bottom of the sea probably a little bit better. But think of it, we knocked out their navy, we knocked out their air force, we knocked out most of their missiles, they're down to about 9%. We knocked out their missile launchers, which is a big deal because without the missile launchers, the missiles don't do very well. You can't go to your window and say, let's throw a window out. Missile out of the air. And we knocked out all of their communications, their telecommunications, and very importantly, we knocked out their antiaircraft apparatus, which was very good. But it didn't last long because we, we hit it the second night and we're just, we're just free flying right over the middle of Tehran, do whatever we want. And one other thing we knocked out was their leaders. So we knocked out the supreme leader, as they called him, Khomeini. We then knocked out, they then named another one. We knocked them out and we knocked out part of the third group and we're just holding for the rest. We know where they all are. And it's one country that does not want to be, you have very few people want to be the leader. You know, everyone wants to be president of the United States. Everyone wants to be president or whatever, prime minister of a certain country. There are not a lot of takers to be the head of Iran right now. I will tell you, they're all fighting not to. We don't want that position. But they asked me if they would, Kaylee, Importantly, they said to me very nicely through my people, could we have more time? Because we're talking about tomorrow night, which is pretty quick. And if they don't do what they have to do, I will knock out their power plants. And he said, does that include nuclear? Because they have nuclear, you know, plenty of money. They have a lot of money and they built nuclear and they built regular power plants. But they're massive and very expensive. Billions of dollars. And so I gave them a 10 day period. They asked for seven. You're going to say, oh, Trump's a Terrible negotiator. They asked for seven, and I said, I'm going to give you 10 because they gave me ships. We talked about the eight ships, you know, the president that I talked about the other day. But they asked for seven and I gave them 10. You got 10 days. And they were very thankful about that. Now they may say, oh, we're not speaking. That. I don't like that, because that wasn't true the last time, as you found out. But we are speaking and it's going fairly well. And so I gave them 10 days.
Kayleigh McEnany
Well, that was nice of you.
Kennedy
Very generous. Mr. President, it's Kennedy. So you talk about some of the people in Iran who are left in the regime. They don't want to be the supreme leader because they know it's probably a short term position. There are a lot of Democrats in this country who would like to be president. They would like to succeed you. And they are using this war as a battering ram. People like Seth Moulton, who ran in 2024, he is saying that. Or sorry, 2020, he's saying, you are losing this war. And my question for you, in terms of people who may be giving you pushback on the Democrat side and even some within your own party, what does winning this war look like?
President Donald Trump
Well, we've already won the war. Militarily, we've totally won the war. We even knocked out all their mine. They call them mine droppers. They dropped. How do you like to have a country that has 22 ships that do nothing but drop mines in the water? You know. You know you're off to a bad start when you hear that. Now, a guy like Moulton, I don't know who he is. I don't think I ever met him. But he's a loser. I mean, I watch him on television, a total loser. And they use this, you know, I watch poor Chuck. I mean, Chuck Schumer is a great Palestinian, represents the Palestinian nation right now. He's no longer Jewish, I guess what he's done to the Jewish people is incredible. They hate him. But remember this, they are good at one thing. Sticking together. They have horrible policy and they lie. And you know, they did everything they could to beat me. I won three times. Unfortunately, the election was rigged the second time and everybody knows it. And now all the proof is coming out. It's coming out loud and clear. We won by millions of votes a second time. But I don't talk about it. I go onto the let's do it again. You know, if I didn't think I won the second time. I knew I won by a lot. I wouldn't have run the third time because, you know, that's like the ultimate poll. But I knew how well we did the second time. But the third time we made it too big to rig. So for those people that say the level of popularity, cnn, your friends at cnn, Fake News cnn, one of the worst networks you'll ever see. One of the most dishonest, disgusting groups of people. But what happened is they did a poll and the poll came out yesterday or two, day before. And is Trump losing MAGA support? The poll was 100%. And you know, their pollster, he's got a lot of energy and he's pretty good. He probably won't have a job very long. But he said, whoa, Whoa. It was 100% of the people, the MAGA people. And which is mostly, I think MAG is almost the whole Republican Party. You want to know the truth? Almost everybody endures wins. Almost every single person that I endorse wins. And Kaylee knows that better than anybody. She was witness to it for a long time and she's doing a good job, by the way. But almost everybody. So they did a poll at CNN two days ago, and I think you probably saw it, maybe you put it on, but it was 100% support. So it's wrong. We have people that are weak or stupid or low iq, people that don't mind having Iran have a nuclear weapon. The MAGA people are smart. Now, that doesn't mean they want us over there for, like Bush, for years, you know, just for years. I always said, don't go into Iraq, but if you do, keep the oil. Well, we are a very powerful military. We're the most powerful military nation in the world. And we did a big number on them. And our people like it because they don't want to see us. 100% think of it. 100% in a CNN poll, a CNN poll. Which are the worst polls? Almost as bad as FOX polls. I hate FOX polls. Honestly, whoever does your polls are terrible. Rupert Murdoch has promised me for years he's going to get rid of your pollster, but he doesn't do it. I don't get it. But your FOX polls are terrible. But the pollsters that are good have me leading by a lot and leading every candidate if I would love to run. But, you know, there's some things you can't do in life, I guess, not allowed to do. But we're very popular. I mean, what can I say? MAGA loves the fact that they're not going to have somebody with a nuclear bomb over their head. MAGA loves the fact, like in Venezuela, everyone said, oh, this is going to be very unpopular. Well, we're now taking in hundreds of millions of barrels of oil from Venezuela, and we're giving them a lot and we're keeping a lot, and Venezuela is doing better than they've ever done. We had 100 million barrels of oil in the first week. We more than paid for the entire attack. By fact, we made probably four or five times more than the cost of that attack. But it showed the military power. I mean, the war was over in 45 minutes. And that's a strong military. You know, if you go to Venezuela, everybody wears a uniform. All right? There are a lot of people, but. But we're getting along great with them now. MAGA loves it because we're there and we're participating. And it's, you know, one of the most valuable oil sites or oil countries in the world just behind us. We're now, we're producing now more oil than Saudi Arabia and Russia put together. And we don't need the hormone strait. What bothers me is that countries that do don't do anything about it. We're actually doing this for other countries. We don't. We don't need it. We did 1%. We don't have to do anything. We don't need the 1%. I think we did it just because we want to be nice to them. We don't need it. But I think I'm more popular than I ever have been. Look, when he heard 100%, he said, I've never seen a poll like this. This is the craziest poll I've ever seen. It was 100% of the people. And the reason is they like that. I'm protecting our country from lunatics with a nuclear weapon.
Greg Gutfeld
Mr. President, the next time you do this on the five, can we have you on set? Because we really want you to sit next to Jessica. I think you'd be a good influence on her. Can you do that?
President Donald Trump
Well, I think I watch Jessica, and I'm not a fan. And she uses fake numbers. She'll give. Well, he's only polling 42%. That's not right. Polling very high, actually. You know, polls are just like. I hate people that use fake polls because polls are just like bad journalists. You know, bad journalists, they write fake stories. Well, fake polls do damage also. But that's the thing. I'm sure I'd like her. I'm sure she's a lovely person.
Greg Gutfeld
Yeah, she's a lovely person. She really misses the fact that she's not here. I get it. We're working on her. Don't worry.
President Donald Trump
Now, tell me, did she not want to do it or did you kick her off?
Greg Gutfeld
No, we didn't kick her off. She had a previous schedule that she couldn't change. But let me ask you about Iran. You kind of suggested that we'd knocked out Ayatollah Junior. Have we? And did the CIA tell you that Ayatollah Junior is gay?
President Donald Trump
Well, they did say that, but I don't know if it was only them. I think a lot of people are saying that, which puts them off to a bad start in that particular country. You know, I sort of have to smile to myself when I say I see people trying to defend the Palestinian regime for women, women for Palestine, but they kill women. If you don't wear a certain group of. If you don't wear certain cloth all over your face, you have no chance of living. And, you know, when I look at gays for Palestine, but they kill gays. They kill them instantly. They throw them off buildings. And I'm saying, who are the gays for Palestine? And they have a significant amount of gays for Palestine. Now, I think when, you know, I did very well with the gay vote, okay? I even had. I even played the gay national anthem as my walk off, okay? And I think it probably helped me, but I did great with no Republicans ever gotten the gay vote like I did. And I'm very proud of it. I think it's great. Perhaps it's because I'm from New York City. I don't know.
Jesse Watters
But.
President Donald Trump
But the. The gay national anthem was my walk off. And I think it probably had. But think of it. Gays for Palestine. But they kill gays in Palestine. So when they hear that, I think probably we can talk them out of it. It shouldn't be too hard.
Dana Perino
Hi, Mr. President, it's Dana. And.
President Donald Trump
Hi, Dana.
Dana Perino
I think it is alarming that we have not been able to see or hear from any of the Iranian people. And I imagine that is because their Internet is shut down. And I think there is some general worry about them. Obviously, their government treats them terribly and killed tens of thousands of them in January. Again, like Kayleigh, I would never ask you to tell us something that is classified, but do you have any insight as to how they are doing? Do they have drinking water? Do they have food?
President Donald Trump
Right, I do.
Dana Perino
It's upsetting.
President Donald Trump
I do. But first, you remember when we had lunch years ago in the base of Trump Tower when it was a brand new building.
Dana Perino
It was a long time ago.
President Donald Trump
Yes, long time ago. And you haven't changed. Now, I'm not allowed to say this. It's the end of my political career, but you may be even better looking. Okay? So I don't know what you're doing, but I will not say that because that will end my political career. You know, you're not allowed to say a woman's beautiful anymore. You know that. Jesse. You got to be careful.
Dana Perino
Jesse's always in trouble.
President Donald Trump
No, he's borderline of this stuff. I mean, he's really. But no, it was great. I still remember it very well. And look, in my opinion, when you look at what's happened, they're petrified because the one side has guns and they have very nasty guns. They have the worst guns and machine guns. And what they do is they shoot you. And the people are brave, but they're not brave when they see people going down left and right. No matter who you are, I don't care how brave, unless you're really sort of stupid, you can't really protest. And the only reason they're not protesting is because they're being shot one after another. And they're doing it with snipers, where they have snipers in buildings, not that they have to be snipers, because they have, you know, free range. But it started with the women. You remember about a year ago, we had 250,000 women. Well, they had women being shot right between the eyes from snipers. Four or five snipers in buildings pretty high up and a little far away. And when you see. And you're a woman or you're a man, frankly, and you see a person dropping to the ground, bleeding from the brain badly, and then you see another one on the other side, and then you'll see five or six or seven. That's all it took. You run. And they ran and they never came back. And if you noticed, about two weeks ago, they put out a notice that if you protest, we will shoot you. They kill him. Look what they did to the wrestler they killed him for. For speaking up. They killed him. He was a star wrestler. Great wrestler, actually. Iran has great wrestlers. And he was a star, one of the best. And they killed him because he spoke up, spoke against the regime, which is largely decimated. There is. I don't. You know, you could really say we have regime change because they've all been killed. They're all dead. Nobody really knows, you know, the Reason they gave us the eight chips is I wanted them to prove that we're dealing with somebody that's allowed to deal. And they say, we will give you a present. And the president was eight chips. We're going to give you eight chips. And they actually made it 10. There was eight. And I heard on one of your shows two days ago in the morning, a very good show hosted by very good people, Fox and Friends. And by the way, I have to say, Maria's great. You got a lot of great people. You know, you switch back and forth. Maria's great. You have so many great people. A couple of bad ones, but what? You can't have everything. You have a couple of lousy ones, but you can't have everything. But I watched on the show in the morning, they said, you know, it's very surprising. There are eight ships coming up the strait. And it's exactly what they told us they were going to give. And then they added two more. And that proved to me that we're dealing with the right people. But then they didn't want to say that publicly. And I said, well, you should say it publicly. And now they are saying it publicly.
Jesse Watters
Mr. President, let's shift onto other topics, debating whether to be serious or not serious. I'm going to serious.
President Donald Trump
You think Biden would do this interview? Can you imagine Sleepy Joe?
Kayleigh McEnany
No way.
President Donald Trump
It would have ended in the first 12 seconds.
Jesse Watters
You know, you're doing the White House Correspondents dinner for the first time and you're going to attend one. Why wasn't I asked to do the roast?
President Donald Trump
Well, I would love it, actually, if you would do it. I'd accept it. If they would do that. I would accept that 100%. But, you know, I haven't done it because right from the beginning, I was treated rather rudely and crudely. You know, I won the election in 2016. It was one of the greatest elections ever. And you're all witness to it. And I had great. But they were so nasty. The press was so nasty. I just. And so I didn't do it. And, you know, there's this theory that I was there while Barack Hussein Obama was speaking and he was hitting me a little bit. Actually. It was very nice. And I was actually, I loved it. I really loved it. I was saying to my wife, our first lady, our movie star first lady. See, you know, I always say there's only room in a family for one star. This is serious. This could be a problem. But she's a movie star. Can you believe it? But I was saying to her, I said, you know, I love this. I'm having a good time, because every joke was about me and I sort of liked it. I can handle that stuff. And they said, I was so upset with that evening that I decided that evening to run for president. Well, it wasn't, but it was at the White House dinner. Had nothing to do with my running for president. I actually enjoyed it, but I never did it. And I said, I'll do it now. You know, we had a great election victory, won the popular vote. We won. If you take a look at the counties in America, 87% of the counties in America. That's why when you look at. They go by counties when they do the coloring and you look at a map of the United States, it's all red except for two little blue lines along the edge. If you look at the little New York and little California, and I think California, I think we're. I think we have a chance. If they would have no mail in voting in California, I would win California. And the right person, the right Republican could win. But they send out like 38 million ballots. A lot of them go to Democrats. In many cases, you get 2, 3, 4. The highest number I've heard was 7. And Republicans are there calling for their ballot. You know, they're saying, do you have my ballot, please? So anyway, but we won 86% of the counties in America. So, you know, it was like a great election. And I don't know, I think as bad as they've been, they've been better to me than they were in the first four years. It's hard to be bad. We have, we will soon. You'll see. I mean, we had up, up until I decided to make this little journey, as we talk about, to Iran. We've had the best economy ever. We have $18 trillion being invested in our country. No country has ever had three. The record is three happened to be China many years ago, 10 years ago. We have 18 coming in and they're building plants all over the United States. It's. I just left the head of Micron. It's one of the hottest companies. But you have Jensen, you have, you have, from Nvidia, you have all these people, they're all building plants one after another. I'm making it possible for them to do it. We're getting into permits rapidly. We're letting them build their own electric because we have an old grid system that wouldn't allow it. So we're letting them build their own electric plants. They're building electric plants for every one of their big buildings because they're massive buildings that we wouldn't be able to supply that kind of power. You know, they need these new. The new factories in this country need more than double the electricity that we currently have for the whole nation, for everything. Think of it, more than double. We need twice as much electricity as we. And what we're doing is saying, you build it yourself this way. They can't complain, but we're getting them fast approvals. Lee Zeldin is doing a great job.
Kayleigh McEnany
Mr. President. Kaylee, again, two things happen tomorrow. TSA misses their second paycheck, $1 billion in missed paychecks, and Congress is set to go on a paid spring break vacation. Thune says he's given his last and final offer to Democrats. And you tweeted out today, terminate the filibuster, you said Thune said. I got a call this morning to that effect from the president. Where do things stand with tsa? Will they get paid? And should Republicans nuke the filibuster to do it?
President Donald Trump
Well, look, I like John Thune, and, you know, it's not easy for him because he's got three or four people in there that, you know, I'm not big fans of, frankly, and that don't vote for us like they should. You have. Perhaps I shouldn't mention their names, but you have three or four people that I am not at all fans of. And, you know, it's not an easy job for John. And I'm telling you, the Democrats, the one thing they do is they stick together. They don't have these people like Massie, who's just a terrible congressman. They don't have Rand Paul. I call massey rand paul jr they both come from Kentucky. I call him Rand Paul Jr never votes, no matter what. You can give him voter ID and five other things that are perfect, and he'll figure out a way not to vote. It's just there's something wrong with the guy Rand votes. You know, Rand said trump is one of the greatest presidents in the history of our country. And I called him and I said, I'd rather have you vote. Take the statement back. Just give us your vote. But, you know, I sort of like the guy, but he just doesn't vote for good things. It's just crazy. He wants to be a Libertarian, I guess, but he just said, I'm fine with libertarians. I'm sort of a libertarian myself. But you have others. You have Murkowski from Alaska. I've given Alaska probably More. She's a very difficult person. Very, very, very terrible person, to be honest with you. And you have Talons. And I won half of Maine. You know, I win Maine, I win the lumberjacks and the fishermen. I win those big, strong lumberjacks. They like Trump. But she wins the other part of Maine, and I hope she wins, because we have to. She's a good person, actually. But we have to. We have to win. We have to keep the majority. Otherwise all of the things that we've done are going to go down the tubes. But I would terminate the filibuster and I'd take a vote and I'd have everything done. And I'd vote on voter ID and I'd vote on citizenship. I'd vote on no mail in ballots other than if you're, you know, military or you're ill or you're traveling. I mean, I'll be generous about it, but no mail in ballots here. Inherently dishonest. Jimmy Carter said that the greatest thing Jimmy Carter ever did was after he got out of office. He had. Because his office, his tenure in office was not good. He did something that is horrible. He gave away a thing called the Panama Canal for $1. This was perhaps the worst deal ever made. The Panama Canal for $1 was not good. It was most. I don't know if, you know, Panama Canal was the most expensive thing, if you bring it to current dollars, ever built the history of our country, in the history of the world. And it was a massive. We lost 38,000 people because of the mosquito and a particularly vicious snake. This was not a friendly area. This was not a hospitable climate for the climate change people. And they built the Panama, but they lose. 38,000American lives were lost. And it's a. It was the most at the time. It was. It's the equivalent to $5 trillion today. And he gave it away for $1. It's also very profitable, by the way. Always was. Very, very profitable. Should never have given it away. So, you know, I like to see things done. I would like to see the filibuster terminated. I think it's great. And here's the one thing. And I saw Greg say this the other night, and I do like his show. I like all of your shows, actually. I'm glad Jessica's not there, because I think. No, actually, I think your show would be better without it. But, you know, who am I to say that? Isn't that terrible? I think it would be a lot better. But, Kennedy, you're doing an excellent job. Thank you. But you know, you know, we have a filibuster that would give us the right to vote and we wouldn't need the Democrat votes. And you have a couple of Republicans, but remember this, and you all said it, they are going to vote for it. If they ever get in a position where they get the presidency and the and hope that doesn't happen because they would destroy what we've built. But if they ever got in the position where they got the majorities in the presidency, they will vote on it in the first hour. Maybe the first day, but I think the first hour. And when you know that, why are they doing this? They should vote on the filibuster and they should approve everything and they should also get voter ID and all of those other things that I said. For instance, men in women's sports voted in, just voted in. We're winning it anyway, but voted in. There's so many things. They're like 100. You know, I love when they say they're 20, 80, 20. They're not 80, 20. They're 98 to 2 and vote this stuff in. But some Democrats, they stick together. And the Republicans, it only takes three or four people and we have a few beauties.
Greg Gutfeld
Mr. President, speaking of mosquitoes and snakes, Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, they're both on book tour taking some shots at each other. Kamala took a shot in her book on Gavin. This is sound of Gavin reacting to that. Listen to this go.
Jesse Watters
Why don't you guys like each other?
Gavin Newsom
No, quite the contrary.
Jesse Watters
Those BFFs, that goes back 20 plus
Gavin Newsom
years ago, I think the press and pundits want to make something of that and so they try to color it in. She gave me a little shot as it relates to the actual truth of the walk I was on. She added that in. I think it graded some color for the book. It certainly helped her book styles. Not my component part, but that book has done unbelievably well.
President Donald Trump
Did you read it?
Gavin Newsom
I did not fully read it. I've got it. I've read, I've read excerpts. I admit, Kamala, I have not fully absorbed the book.
Greg Gutfeld
So who do you think is going to rise to the top? Newsom or Harris?
President Donald Trump
Well, first of all, he said he can't read. Okay. You know, he did an interview. I have no idea who did the interview. I've never seen the gentleman. I'm sure he's excellent. But he did an interview a couple of weeks ago. There was maybe the worst interview for a professional politician that I've ever seen. He said he's mentally incompetent, he can't read a speech. He said things about his brain. He's got bad board scores, he's got bad this. And then he looked at the room and he said something to the effect that I'm dumb just like all of you people. And he ends up being called a racist because of that statement. This was the worst interview. But he admitted that he was a stupid person and we don't want a stupid person as president. And if you watch him with the hands and everything else, there's something wrong with the guy. He's a nice looking guy, but he's losing the look. He's losing. It happens. It happens. It's all right. He's losing the look. And, you know, we want an intelligent person. He admits that he suffers from mental disability. He admits it. And somebody said, a reporter, a fake reporter said to me, well, it's not fair that you talk about he's mentally disabled. I said, yeah, but he said that he's essentially mentally disabled. And I think it's fine. I just don't want it in a president, okay? We have enough problems. We just had that, by the way. We went through four years of that and look what it got us. Not good. It got us sleepy Joe.
Dana Perino
Hi, it's Dana again. So I have a kind of a pop culture question for you. So I was new to. I'm new to New York, relatively speaking. So 15 years, and there's all of these young people across America are watching Love Story, which is the story of JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bessette. And I'm curious, did you know JFK Jr. And do you have any nostalgia for the 90s?
President Donald Trump
So. A little bit, but actually I love the 80s a little more than the 90s. 90s. I was fighting hard, you know, we were in sort of a depression, country wide depression, and depressions aren't great when you're in the real estate business. But I did great in it. I did well. I always made money. I made money in good times and bad times. But it was a, you know, it was a sort of a nasty time economically, a lot of the nights. But I actually knew him and liked him and he liked me, believe it or not. He actually put me on the COVID of his magazine, George. And I got to be friendly with him. And he would go down to Mar a Lago with me and with Carolyn. It was a tragic thing. Look, he was going to sell that magazine, which was, you know, a little Bit of an anchor. It didn't work out too well, but it was okay. But it was fine. Today magazines are not doing too well, but in those days they'd be all right. It was all right, but it wasn't great and wasn't good for him. You know, his mother didn't want. He wanted to be a Broadway actor more than any other thing. He wanted to be a Broadway. I knew him very well actually. He liked me. Can you believe it? He liked me. And, and I liked him. Let me tell you, he's a very handsome guy. He was a handsome guy. You don't get better looking. And he was going to run for politics. He was going to run for the Senate, he told me, and nobody would have beaten him and he probably would have ended up being president because he had a lot of good things. He was a, he was sort of a great guy. I knew them both pretty well. I knew him much better. They would go down to Mar a Lago together and they had a very interesting relationship. They would bicker. I want to be nice. They would bicker together. They would, in other words, have little fights and then they'd make up and start kissing wildly. It was, it was one of those relationships and you never know how those relationships are going to turn out. Frankly. I've seen him go on for years and I've seen him go on for about two days before they broke up. But they would bicker like few people I've ever seen. But you know, the bottom line is and he was every, every woman loved him. He was a truly good looking guy that was a nice guy and I think he would have been the senator easily, I mean easily. And he's going to run for the Senate in New York and I think he would have gone on perhaps to be the president, well, someone who's a
Kennedy
little less charming than JFK Jr. God rest his soul. Jimmy Kimmel, one of those lackluster late night hosts, took aim at your new DHS chief. Let's hear what he had to say last night about Mark Wayne Mullen.
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Trump's got a whole new generation of thinkers lined up including his newly confirmed Secretary of Homeland Security, Mark Wayne. Chuck, Mike, Bruce, Dave Mullen, maybe Mellon's better. He is the now former Senator of Oklahoma. Before he was elected to the Senate, Mark Wayne Mullen was a low level MMA fighter and a plumber. That's right, we have a plumber protecting us from terrorism.
Kennedy
Now what do you think about those comments?
President Donald Trump
Well, I've watched this guy, he's, you know, He's a loser. He gets no ratings. None. He's got no talent. He's got Trump derangement syndrome. I mean, whenever I watch, I just can't believe that he's even on the air. He shouldn't be on the air. He's got, you know, in the old days when you didn't have good ratings or you didn't have any ratings, practically, you get fired. He should be canned. Mark Wayne is fantastic. He's, you know, he became very successful. He took over a small company from his parents and he made it very, very successful, made money. He was also a very good fighter. Very, very good fighter. I don't know what, I never heard low level mma. I mean, if you fight these guys, these are rough cookies. And if you fight and he had a good record, he had a very good record in fighting, but you know, that's unimportant. But he is sort of a fighter. But more than any, you know, I call him country smart. He's a very smart guy. He's got a great way. Everybody loves him. He got a couple of Democrat votes, which is shocking nowadays. Right. But everybody loves him and I think he's going to do a fantastic job. He's got a great way about him and people respect him a lot.
Kayleigh McEnany
Mr. President, could I ask, where are you right now? I know that may be a weird question. Are you in the Oval Office?
President Donald Trump
I'm in the Oval Office. I'm usually there waiting for a call. How we doing on Iran? How we doing in Venezuela? How we doing in all different things, all different aspects. I cover a lot of different. No, I love the Oval Office is the greatest office anywhere in the world. You know, I have people come in, the biggest people in the world, presidents and prime ministers and the biggest business people. And they walk into the office and they, you really are at an advantage because they are so freaked out by the Oval Office. They can't believe it that they're there. No, it's, it's the most precious piece of real estate in the world. And we're building a ballroom. You know, they've been after one for 150 years that we're building what will be, I think, the best anywhere in the world. It'll be unbelievable. And you know, it's interesting, you have the preservation, essentially this group, Preservation, the, a group of preservation. They sue me for that. They sue me because the Trump Kennedy Center, I'm fixing it. It's in horrible shape, actually, dangerous shape with steel that's rusting and rotting roofs that are falling in brain is pouring. So worst thing you've ever seen. It's going to be incredible. They sue me, but they don't sue the guy that's billions of dollars over budget and destroyed. Actually destroyed the Federal Reserve building. That's Jerome. Too late, Powell. It's. I said, did they sue him? I build under budget ahead of schedule. And by the way, there's no cost. You know, I'm building the. The ballroom. And it's a very big thing with the military and everything else. Military is very much involved. It's a big, big deal. And it's great. It's going to be beautiful. But you would think that they'd go after a guy who's destroyed the Federal Reserve building. Federal Reserve building was so beautiful. He ripped down the most beautiful part of it. I would have done that job for $25 million that it would have been gorgeous. And I think they're going to hit the $4 billion mark for a renovation of a small little complex. It's a little complex. And I say, why aren't you suing Powell? And they don't know. They have no idea. But we're building a really beautiful. It'll be. Is. I think it'll be one of the most beautiful, maybe the most beautiful ballroom anywhere in the world. And it very much fitting with the White House. And the White House deserves it. But presidents for 150 years wanted a ballroom. And many of you, I'm sure, were invited to big events where you have the President of China, you have France, our friend Macron, a wonderful friend, a wonderful friend. But he wasn't exactly there. He wasn't quick with the ships. When he heard we were fighting Iran, I wouldn't say he was quick to the draw. Donald. Donald, may I call you back next week? Oh, yes. Then they all say, no, we'll send them immediately. But I said, no, I don't need them anymore. We won. I don't need you anymore. I'd like you before we won, not after we won. But you know, the people would have a tent and the tent would have a thousand people because we have a very small room here, very small, much ridiculously small. And if it rained, the water would always go because it's at a low point on the ground. It's the only place for the tent. And so if it rained, if it rained hard, the water would be 4 or 5 inches off the ground. So you can see the President of China, President Xi, sitting there after having left one of the great ballrooms of the World, the Great hall of China, they call it. It is sitting there with water over his ankles. Now we're going to give, we're giving them one of the. And by the way, no taxpayer money used at all for all this stuff. The Ark. We're doing a triumphal arc which is, which was, you know, the circle by the bridge, by the Arlington Bridge near Arlington Cemetery. It's been, they've wanted to be built for 175 years. A thing got in the way, a little event got in the way called the Civil War. They were going to build it and then they had had the Civil War and that I think it was a good excuse. But we're doing that. We're getting it built. It's going to be beautiful and we're doing a lot of good things.
Kayleigh McEnany
Could we ask you one last final
Dana Perino
question before we lose our show to Bret Baer?
President Donald Trump
Yes.
Dana Perino
This comes from a very dear friend of mine. She's curious who you will be rooting for at the Masters.
President Donald Trump
Well, it's, it's such a danger. I have so many friends that are professional, top professional golfers that they're so good. Bryson DeChambeau, Rory McElroy. I love Tiger, but he won't be there. He'll be there, but he won't be playing in it. I have so many friends and they're such great players. They're such talented. They're long. You know, Jesse's going to be a good player. I saw Jesse hitting a ball a little while ago. Jesse's going to be okay. Not of this caliber. Quite right, Jess.
Greg Gutfeld
I'm getting there.
President Donald Trump
Jesse's getting there.
Greg Gutfeld
I need a little more time. I have two shows. It's, it's hard to get out there.
President Donald Trump
And you haven't been playing that long. No, he's got some golf talent, but so I don't. They're all, they're just great players. So it's hard for me. If I pick somebody, I'm going to have enemies. I'll have, I'll have 10 guys that no longer speak to me. But you have great talent. These are very talented. Scotty Scheffler is amazing. He's the, the number one ranked player. Bryson DeChambeau and the live. Bryson DeChambeAU on the live tour. In the last two weeks, he won both tournaments. You know, I mean, he's fantastic. So he's going in hot. Rory's hot. You got great players and great talents. It's going to be, it's one of my favorite events of all time.
Dana Perino
And hers, too. Anyway, thanks. Thanks for taking that question. I had a feeling you would be smart enough to be like, answer it.
President Donald Trump
I have to be a politician. Like when they say, who's going to win the super bowl, you know, stuff like that. So that's good. But it's a fair question.
Jesse Watters
President Trump, it was a pleasure speaking with you.
President Donald Trump
Thank you, Greg.
Jesse Watters
Have a great evening.
President Donald Trump
Thank you very much. Well, this was fun. I'm a big fan of all of you, and I just thank you. It's an honor to be with you. And our country is doing fantastically well, and you can be proud of it. We have the hottest country anywhere in the world.
Kennedy
Who's going to be the next president?
President Donald Trump
Well, I would say that it will be a Republican. I really believe that. And I think it'll be a good one. I think we have a combination of people that would be very good. You put together a little combination. I think it would be hard to beat the combination. So I think you can figure that out. But I think. I think it's going to be. I do believe it's going to be a Republican. I hope so, because we may. We've made so many great strides. It would be a shame to see that thrown away.
Jesse Watters
Thank you, Mr. President.
Kayleigh McEnany
Thank you.
President Donald Trump
Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. Thank you very much. Bye.
Jesse Watters
Well, that was fun.
Kennedy
Yeah.
Greg Gutfeld
I learned a lot. The 80s were better than the 90s. JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bassett bickered a
Kennedy
lot and made out a lot and made out.
Greg Gutfeld
Mullen is country smart. I never knew that, but I had an idea. I think we should do the five from the ballroom when it's done.
President Donald Trump
Hmm.
Jesse Watters
That's a good.
Greg Gutfeld
I think that is a great idea.
Dana Perino
Are we still going to be up with. I mean, when's it going to be done?
Greg Gutfeld
I think it's going to be done on time and under budget.
President Donald Trump
Okay.
Dana Perino
I believe under budget, but is it on time?
Greg Gutfeld
I think so.
President Donald Trump
Dana.
Greg Gutfeld
We have people working around the clock.
Kayleigh McEnany
My takeaways were so different than yours. They were like, Iran asked for eight days and we gave them 10. And all the diplomacy. But it was a lot of fun. I mean, he speaks with such fluidity. And you just think, like, President Biden could not have done that. And it's just interesting.
President Donald Trump
It's interesting to listen to, especially if
Jesse Watters
you get him on the topic of any kind of project or construction or buildings. You. You could go on in eight different directions because, like, he. That's what I believe.
Greg Gutfeld
You just got booked for the White House correspondent.
Dana Perino
Did that happen.
Jesse Watters
No, I was.
President Donald Trump
I was.
Jesse Watters
I was joking.
President Donald Trump
I was trying.
Jesse Watters
It was.
President Donald Trump
No.
Jesse Watters
I was either going to ask a matter about Corey Lewandowski. That's. I was just sitting there going, which way do I go?
Kayleigh McEnany
Choice.
Jesse Watters
Yeah, exactly.
Dana Perino
Jackie Heinrich is on the board. So maybe we can see our very own Jackie Heinrich.
Jesse Watters
I can't make it. I'm out of town.
Dana Perino
Any last thoughts, Kennedy?
Kayleigh McEnany
No.
Kennedy
I thought he was very funny. You know, regardless of how you feel about his politics, he's very funny and very quick in the moment, which is great for live television.
Dana Perino
I was kind of looking forward to the possibility that he would keep talking and then he would toss to Brett, but not say Brett's name, because that is one of our worlds. We have about 20 minutes.
Jesse Watters
Who's on the show tonight? I get Rob O', Neill, which is gonna be great. Joe Mackey, Cat Timf. And I miss.
Dana Perino
Oh, kill me, kill me. What about you, Jesse?
Greg Gutfeld
I don't know. I have me. That's what people tune in for.
Dana Perino
Only guess who's Jonny gonna be there? What about Saturday? Anything happening?
Kayleigh McEnany
Yes, I just got a text. Tom Holman will be on and also the chief legal officer of Meta and the Fraud Commission.
Dana Perino
Okay, excellent. Kennedy, who's on the podcast?
Kennedy
That's a great question. It is me today. And you're very lucky.
Dana Perino
I love that. All right, I will do the handoff.
Kennedy
That's it for us.
Dana Perino
Have a great night.
Kayleigh McEnany
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Date: March 26, 2026
Host & Panel: Dana Perino, Kayleigh McEnany, Kennedy, Jesse Watters, Greg Gutfeld
Special Guest: President Donald Trump
This episode of The Five centers around a wide-ranging, live interview with President Donald Trump in the midst of a high-stakes international standoff with Iran. The hosts quiz Trump on his recent decision to extend the deadline for Iran to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, the military campaign dubbed "Epic Fury," domestic repercussions, diplomatic alliances, as well as broader political and pop culture topics.
“You can't let a madman or you can't let a mad ideology have a nuclear weapon.”
– President Trump (13:29)
“If they had to choose between a defeated Iran ... or an embarrassed Trump with an empowered Iran, they would pick the latter.”
– Jesse Watters (09:32)
On Iran's regime:
“There are not a lot of takers to be the head of Iran right now. I will tell you, they're all fighting not to.” – Trump (19:03)
On bipartisanship and patriotism:
“It's completely appropriate to be uneasy about a war, but it's what you do with the unease that helps, whether it helps or it doesn't.”
– Greg Gutfeld (10:15)
On congressional gridlock:
“I would terminate the filibuster and I'd take a vote and I'd have everything done.” – Trump (37:03)
On pop culture and the correspondents’ dinner:
“I actually enjoyed it, but I never did it. And I said, I'll do it now.” – Trump (33:03)
On White House projects:
“We're building a really beautiful... I think it'll be one of the most beautiful, maybe the most beautiful ballroom anywhere in the world.” – Trump (51:07)
On Markwayne Mullen and Kimmel’s jokes:
“He's got Trump derangement syndrome... Mark Wayne is fantastic. He's country smart.” – Trump (47:42–48:10)
| Segment | Time | |-------------------------------------|------------| | Iran Conflict Overview | 01:34–07:44| | Domestic Political Debate | 09:32–11:57| | Start of Trump Interview | 12:34 | | Trump on No New Wars/Iran Justification | 13:29 | | Explanation of 10-Day Iran Pause | 16:49–20:06| | What Does Winning Look Like? | 20:51 | | MAGA/Iran/Election Comments | 23:30–26:06| | Polling Remarks & Panel Banter | 26:18–27:16| | Pop Culture/White House Dinner | 32:44–33:03| | Infrastructure & Ballroom Talk | 48:52–52:58| | Golf/Masters Question | 53:01–54:31| | Trump’s Closing Thoughts | 54:35–55:24| | Hosts' Reflections on Interview | 55:29–57:02|
The episode maintains the panel’s signature combative yet playful style. Trump is characteristically discursive, moving from hard policy on Iran to anecdotes about media, rival politicians, and celebrities, always blending serious national security stakes with personal stories and sharp political jabs. The hosts both challenge and flatter him, drawing out both “commander-in-chief” answers and reality-TV banter.
This episode provides a window into Trump's thinking and the FOX panel's framing during a dramatic phase of international crisis and domestic partisanship. It mixes blunt U.S. strategic claims, inside anecdotes, and campaign-style rhetoric with moments of lightness, illustrative of both The Five’s format and the Trump media phenomenon.