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Hello, everyone. I'm Joey Jones along with Paul Morrow, Richard Fowler, Kellyanne Conway and Tyrus. It's five o' clock in New York City, and this is the five. President Trump is closing out the year with a bang and some solid numbers across the board. Strong, strong GDP growth, lower inflation, crime is way down, and the border, well, it's secure. But don't tell Trump derangement syndrome liberals, because they've been miserable about it just about every step of the way. Bill Maher is willing to call out his side for making Trump hatred a personality trait.
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It is a phenomenon we have never seen before, Right. That one person would dominate every national dinner, every dinner for both, you know, but. And I do think you have to fight that. Like I say, if that's your whole personality is the first thing out of your mouth is, what are we gonna do about Donald Trump? I just, I just can't.
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Yeah.
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Perhaps patient zero of tds, the woman who literally fled the country for Ireland, Rosie o', Donnell, is breaking her pledge to quit attacks on President Trump. She returned to social media this weekend to call for his removal via the 25th Amendment.
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We got to do something, America, and we got to do it soon before the November elections. Because you know that he's going to do anything he can to start a war and then declare no elections because of that war. When are they going to do the 25th Amendment? That's the question. He needs to be stopped. So 25th amendment. Come on, people. And those with what he calls derangement syndrome are the ones who think that he's a good man. And it is not a good man. It's hardly even a human.
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And of course, not to be outdone, Eric Swalwell is acting like a tough guy, threatening to impeach President Trump and issuing this warning to Trump officials.
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I'm going on offense against Donald Trump and I just put senior Trump officials on notice. Save your, your emails, your text messages.
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We're not going away.
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Yeah, real tough guy. Speaking of tough Guys.
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Tyrus, I'm sorry, was that a plate on each side that he.
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Talking about back when you did the bench press?
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Yeah. Poor guy.
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You know who does Rosie o' Donnell represent? Like, what American? Is she speaking?
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This is. This is our fault. This is the Five's fault. Your fault. Your fault. Your fault. The producer's fault. If Rosie o' Donnell speaks in a forest and Fox doesn't pick it up, nobody hears it.
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Doesn't happen, does it?
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Nobody cares. Do you see the production value? She's looking around to make sure the nurse isn't going to catch her on the phone again. Like, this is one of the. There's no. This is just. They do it because they get attention. She's clearly. This is all she got. I get on my phone, I say some stuff about Trump and everyone reacts. This is the problem of being in a very successful year and a very successful administration because we have so much time to argue about people who are mad about something they can't change. You're never going to get a chance to be. I'm just going to break it to you guys. Get your cry out. You're never going to get a chance to beat President Trump. He's done. He won. Game over. Move on. Because he's not going anywhere. The 25th amendment. Why don't you try doing 25 things each day before you say the word Trump? See how your day works out. Maybe your skin complexion will get better. She looks horrible.
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Don't say that. She'll do 25 videos every day and we don't.
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But if they don't say Trump, we won't see it.
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You're right, Kellyanne, you know, a thing or two about messaging to people and reading where they are is Trump is the devil. Trump is the worst. Get rid of. Is that the message Democrats need to take into the midterms?
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It's the only one they have. They have learned absolutely nothing, Joey, from the 2024 shellacking. They suffered where Trump won the popular vote, all seven swing states and really burrowed into so many core Democratic constituencies. If I were the Democratic Party, I would try to learn from that. I try to work with the president when I can on things. But I would ask the Democrats a very simple question. To what do you actually object? Is it his historic tax relief? The dereg on small businesses? Is the peace deals he's making? Is it the trade deals that are going to help bring manufacturing back? Do you object to him closing up the border? And with that, the flood of illicit drugs coming into our communities and our kids veins. And I have tried every which way in the 10 years of Trump. I've tried to talk to these people through the tv, on Twitter. Then I tried to talk to them in person to reason with them. Don't you like this policy? Don't you like that policy? Are you done defending Biden and Harris? You're indefensible. But I have one question remains, just one question. I've never tried on Rosie o' Donnell on the left. Don't you have anybody who loves you? You need a hug or a husband or a hobby or a hairy dog? Get yourself some help because this, this woman last week she referred to Trump as a blob, a slob calling someone.
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Else video, she said, barely human or something like terrible.
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By the way, she moved to Ireland, but she never moved on. And that's the problem. I live with Trump derangement syndrome. It's toxic, it's chaotic and sometimes frightening. But I will tell you, a lot of Democrats don't like it. They feel that they're going to get beat in 2028 if their only message is Trump, Trump, Trump.
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You know, Richard, I don't want Kellyanne's question to just tee you up, but I mean, it really is kind of the question at hand. I'll frame it this way. What is it that you that and maybe it's not you, but what is it that Democrats, because Nancy Pelosi brought this up, this isn't just like Swalwell throwing red meat out there. What is it that Democrats think they would be impeaching Trump on, that they're going to run on or that they're serious about?
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Well, I don't know if impeaching Trump's the answer. Listen, I think Trump derangence syndrome is a luxury that is afforded to those who aren't worried about their grocery bills or their rent or the cost of health care, which is going to skyrocket for a lot of Americans in two days. And listen, for the past year, I have been reporting on registered nurses. I've talked to nurses who work in ERs, who work in schools, who work in rural hospitals, who work in ICUs. And when you talk to them, they're talking about staff shortages, burnouts, people who can't afford their health care, people who can't afford their prescription drugs. They're talking about kids who don't have access to special health kids to special to special needs in schools. And now these nurses are dealing with the fact that this administration said they're not professionals and they can't qualify for student loans. They have real problems. And they're not worried about Trump Derangement Syndrome. They're worried about how they're going to heal their patients. And their working conditions are America's healing conditions. And so I think this ideal of Trump Derangement Syndrome is a luxury afforded to people like Rosie o' Donnell who can afford to move to Ireland. But for America's registered nurses that can't afford to move, they're dealing with the real ramifications of Medicaid cuts and healthcare premiums going up.
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So you're bringing up the nurses in respect to Obamacare subsidies?
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No, I'm bringing up the nurses in respect to the fact that we've had a decade long nursing shortage and both parties have been asleep at the will I've been reporting on. And I think that my larger moral of the story, Trump Derasion syndrome is a luxury afforded to those who can.
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Think about that weren't thinking about specific issues.
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I mean, I think for a nurse working a 12 hour shift or thinking about their patients and how they're going to make ends meet for their families.
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Well, Paul, on that point, Richard says, hey, it's about issues. It's about how it affects your life. You know, I don't know, closing the border, fixing immigration. Maybe that's what's on the docket for 2026, stopping conflicts around the world, trying to stop conflicts that pretty much everyone else has failed on. It's not just about the wins of President Trump. It's just about the outcomes of his presidency. At this point, whether you give him credit or not, there has to be some place, like they just said, where they go. It's not how I would do it, but I'm glad it got done. So just give me a chance to do it a different way. At least meet halfway.
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Yeah, and they don't have the messenger. That's the thing. And first of all, relative to the medical situation, wasn't Obamacare supposed to fix all of this? Weren't we supposed to all sail into a perfect healthy future by now? We all said at the time, if you were paying attention, we're going to blow up 1/6 of the American economy. Hello. It's not going to work and it didn't work. But moving on from that, let's just look at two issues. Number one, well, it didn't work, clearly. I mean, what did? Right. All the subsidies are now we've doubled the amount of tax money that has to go to subsidizing Medicare doubled. I think professional, you know. How did that work?
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Realizing the nurses is the problem.
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I'm not denigrating my nurses.
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No, no.
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I'm saying that's what this administration did in their last one big beautiful bill. But I digress.
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Not talking about that at all.
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He should be.
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I am, but that's what I'm talking about.
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He's still trying to plates up off his chest. There's a lot don't. Don't put.
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And I remember of course Joe Biden was very worried about the nurses here in America. Sorry. Anyway, let's go back to just two. That was mean two issues. First of all, domestically, everything comes from energy. That's it. You talk about the board, of course. Those old things. Those things are all important. I paid the other day 279 for gas. All right. I was in a rental car too. I mean I own a car. 279 if you got to commute every day. This hits your bottom line. This hits all the trucking, this hits all the shipment. That is the common denominator. We are a fossil.
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79 sounds pretty good.
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I was in the New York area. Look, we're a carbon based system. We are carbon based people. Okay? That matters. That's the domestic situation. And to me that's his most important accomplishment. You don't hear about foreign policy. Look, Ukraine at least he's trying. Gaza made more progress than anybody else. The Abraham Accords I think are coming relative to our own hemisphere, which does matter here. The Don Row doctrine, however you want to call it. People get cute about it. The bottom line is fentanyl. Venezuela. Venezuela has been a hub for espionage against this country almost my whole life. He's the first guy to pay attention to it. He's the first guy at least said, you know what? I'm going to call BS on this guy and we're going to get rid of him and he's going to go and that. Let's see what happens. My point is this. He's facing up to problems without perfect solutions that nobody else has touched in like my lifetime. And he's going back to Reagan. And just to close the loop here in this era, this day and age, it's about the messenger as much as it is the issues and the messages and the Dems just don't have the messenger. That's what's missing. Who is it? I'm looking around. We're going to talk about it later in the set here. But they don't have somebody who can get to the cerebral cortex of the electorate the way this guy can. And so as a result, he lives in their heads. It's a fatal attraction. So all they can do is talk about him because they can't move. They're all going close in Fatal Attraction. They can't move on. They got to find their own hero here. As everybody knows about relationships, it's not about finding the right person. It's about being the right person. I've spoken.
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All right, coming up next, Nick Shirley is back on the scene in Minnesota as Governor Tim Walls does some major damage control over the erupting fraud scandal.
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So the independent journalist whose viral video grabbed the nation's attention on the rampant fraud scandal in Minnesota, Nick Shirley, was back on the scene at the Quality Learning center in Minneapolis, who apparently just fixed a misspelling in the name learning. But Shirley got chased away from agitators as things got heated. Now this comes as Tim Waltz faces serious calls to resign as Minnesota governor. With the feds going door to door to suspected fraud sites and following the money, Governor Waltz sure is a lot to answer for considering he was bragging on the national stage about how, quote, unquote easy he made it to open up child care centers in his state during the vice presidential debate. Watch this. As far as childcare on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side. And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business. And then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that. We were able to do it in Minnesota.
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And I'm still telling you this.
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We were listed as the best state. We're still in crisis on this. You ain't kidding. And this is pretty outrageous. A legal reporter for Politico backtracking after suggesting in a tweet posted on X that any reporter investigating the Somali fraud scandal in Minnesota could have been legally shot. Josh Gerstein shot, saying, quote, at some point, the amateur effort to knock on doors of home daycare intersects with robust stand your ground laws. And he followed that up with to observe that something is likely to happen or that there's a serious risk of it happening is not to advocate for it happening. So he tried to clean that Up. So, Joey, you and I would talk about this on the break. I don't even know if Minnesota has stand your ground laws. I doubt they do, but what's your take?
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Yeah. So stand your ground law means that you are not obligated to run from a threat. That means you can stand your ground if someone's threatening you. So if you're taking someone knocking on your door as a threat, you've got bigger problems. Someone needs to remind him this is actually Minnesota around Minneapolis, not Mogadishu. So two different places there. And so he should probably understand that beyond that, really, what it. I mean, let's call it what it is. What they've said is if you are taking objection to both the fraud that's happening and then taking a second look at the mass migration of Somalis as refugees, or if you're looking at the naturalization of them who have come here and defrauded the country, then you're racist. And that's what was used against anyone asking questions to begin with. That is documented in court.
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Oh, yeah.
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So, you know, if you want to use this weird, Use the Second Amendment against the state. Whatever brings you to the carpet on Second Amendment, I'll listen. But this ain't it, brother. Figure it out. Read a little bit. Isn't that hard?
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You know, you're talking about the fund, our future case. $250 million stolen. And they tried to reach the jury, and they told the jury, hey, when you get back into the jury room and doing deliberations, say, this is all a racist plot against migrants, and let's fix the jury. It didn't work. She went to the authorities and they got in more trouble. Tyrus, you made a similar point last night on Gutfeld. You want to double tap that?
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Well, I just want to double tap. Tim. Resign. You need to resign like this. You've been doing damage control for the last couple years, and you've done a horrible job. And now it's. The baby's here and someone's got to raise this. This. This little bastard, because it is. You can't hide it. And the fact that you use it on the campaign trail should let any. Now, listen, I did not serve the badge like you did, sir, but I have watched a lot of Murder, She Wrote. And if you are. If you are talking, praising yourself over something that's a fraudulent scam, because you know the numbers are good, there's a good chance that. And we used the magic word yesterday, like this, complacent, then you were very complacent complacent to what was been going on. And now everybody's asking questions and people are just. And you want to discourage him or call him names or go after him. An everyday kid off the street with his parents and an iPhone was able to find unbelievable amounts, was 119 million or something. He's at this point that was just a Saturday weekend.
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One day.
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Yeah.
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He goes to one building and it was. They misspelled learning. I mean like I said, I don't think you need a two part series for this particular episode. I think Angela Lansbury, rest her soul, could have wrapped this up in one commercial break.
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I think that made me Angela Lansbury.
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There for a second.
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I'm not sure how I feel about.
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You know, leering lowing Angela Lansbury.
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Listen, Kellyanne, I want to expand the canvas here a little bit because I think this could be a big story. I think it's going to go on. It's going to take us into the midterm for 2026. This is right in your wheelhouse. What's your take?
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Yes.
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So whenever there's social spending for new programs or existing programs without oversight, this is often what happens. And especially when it's in the name of kids or nutrition or education or health care, people say, oh yes, or climate, oh yes, I must do that. That's wonderful. Let's give more money to that. But no oversight. This hurts Tim Waltz, but it hurts Kamala Harris as well. First big decision was Tim Waltz and she didn't make many good ones or any at all after that. We wouldn't even know who he was as a nation without her saying, this is the guy I want to be a heartbeat away from. President Kamala America laughed and didn't vote for them. But when you talk about this in terms of a plot scene, Tyrus, I think the sequels are all going to be worse than the original because just in Minnesota, Paul, we have 14 programs with billions of dollars spread across them. This is one of the programs. The other one is feeding our future. Nobody was getting fed here. Nobody's learning a darn thing. Including the letter N in the word learning. They learned that today the adults. And when you start to unpack this and you start to look at other states, you're going to find something like HUD just admitted, hud just admitted 30,000 illegal migrants or deceased people received tenant benefits, living benefits from the Biden administration. So everywhere you look, there's going to be Covid level fraud, there's going to be fund mismanagement and how do we know this? Because Governor Tim Waltz said he's on the case. He's been investigating fraud. And yet the moment somebody sniffed around and said, well, look at the fraud, look at the gambling happening in your casino, he called it white supremacy. Trump is practicing Trump. Why do we care about this? We care about this because these are federal tax dollars going, going to our different for these programs under the guise of helping people. They're hurting people. There probably are hungry kids. There probably are ones that need good childcare. And last point, people are asking all the time, why is the FBI there? Why is Homeland Security investigation there? Why is DHS there? Ask yourselves why the FBI investigated Donald Trump while he was out of office. Why did you pay for that? Ask yourselves why the FBI did all the nonsense on the seventh floor to stop him from becoming president and concocting Russia collusion. And every single one of you, that conclusion in search of evidence for three years called Russia collusion. I have a conclusion now. I find the evidence. The evidence is here. The conclusion is simple fraud right under your noses. Why is DHS involved? Why did DHS investigate our brave men and women at the border and accuse them of whipping migrants, which nobody was doing? We spent money on that. You spent federal tax dollars on that nonsense.
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And Mayorkas came out and swore to that to the American public, and he knew at the time it was false. You know, Richard, I, I got to ask you. You know, it's American money. Minnesota owes us all money because it's federal money. So they owe everybody here, everybody across the country money. But here's the thing. This money supposed to go to American kids, and it's not. So, like, you know, what's your take on this? I don't see how it's defensible.
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I mean, well, I think there's a lot of mixing happening in this story. So, number one, background this. There was a probe, a federal probe open this in 2022 by Merrick Garland. Right. The folks who were indicted and prosecuted were American citizens. Some of them, yes, were Somali refugees that settled here, but they were American citizens. And many of the children who were involved in this program were also born here and were American citizens of Somali descent. And so I think what we have happening here is people are mixing folks who have immigrated here versus folks who are non citizens. These are citizens of the United States who just happen to be Somali. And I think when you talk to the Somali community who lived in Minnesota, many of them who are naturalized American citizens, or some of them who are born in the United States, what they're saying is you are trying to basically throw the baby out with the bathwater and blaming our entire community for one or two or three bad actors or maybe 20 bad actors. But there's 80,000 Somalis who live in Minnesota. So I think we, as a group and as journalists have to be very careful about how we talk about this story. There are some fraudsters in Minnesota who are engaging in bad acts. There's an investigation being done by the Justice Department and other entities of both the Minnesota government and the federal government investigating them. That does not mean that there should be a wholesale attack against the Somali community or immigrant communities in general.
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It's systemic to the Somali community, which is the allegation. And there's a group of people. You brought those people here from a country that we.
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Wait a minute.
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Brought those people here from a country. Some of them were born. Some of them were born. Yes. Okay. Generation from that. I mean, President Trump has his own take on naturalization. Some of them were born. And birthright citizenship. But if you're born into a culture and a community that dances around with another country's flag, because, I mean, I saw the videos today that says things like, there was a Somali leader introducing Ilhan Omar saying, she's not talking about America. She's not talking about Minnesota. She's advocating for Somalia. That's the problem is if you have a community that comes here to this country so tight knit and so still adhere to the country they came from, that they don't have any sort of.
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Allegiance, are immigrants of this country. But I am an American, too. That's what we want, and that's what makes America.
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That's what we want.
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And so are the people. So are the 80,000 Somalis who are also born in this country.
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I can't say that wholesale. I'm seeing fraud. I'm seeing fraud.
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What makes America America is that a mom.
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To mimic the country they come from.
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She's a refugee.
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I see Ilhan Moore. Go on there.
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Country. Great Is that.
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We got to go. We got to go. They're yelling at me.
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Refugees.
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I'll get out in the break.
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Became the Secretary of State. That's what makes America great.
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Well, listen, all I can say is by that metric, the Mafia must have been Malaysian. All right, because, you know, that's. Come on.
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That means all Italians are.
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No, that's exactly what I'm saying. All right, come on.
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That's wrong.
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We got. I agree. All right, let's move on. Coming up next, Democrats I'm glad we can all agree. The Democrats are gearing up for a full on battle royale for 2028. And Kamala Harris is already throwing elbows coming up.
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Oh, yeah.
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2025 is coming to a close and Politico is already declaring that the 2028 race is underway. Politico even started handing out early winners on the Democratic side. Goofy Gavin Newsom, he was crowned the party's top attack dog. Kamala Harris just launched a new political action committee and she's getting labeled the, quote, intra party instigator of the year. Oh, and Mayor Pete and aoc, they also picked up a few nods along the way. But according to this CNN data guru, things are looking a lot more straightforward on the Republican side. And here's why.
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Just take a look at New Hampshire, right? The first in the nation primary. I mean, take a look here. J.D. vance at 51%. The next closest is Nikki Haley, who's at 9. I can't recall anyone being this far ahead at this early stage in New Hampshire. I look back hitting 50% plus in the early New Hampshire polls for a non sitting president.
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J.D.
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Vance is the only one. J.D. vance is THE only one ever.
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Paul, I used to say you don't want to be the front runner early because they rarely make it. I mean, the political graveyard is littered with folks who didn't go all the way because they peak early. We don't need to go through their names. Why do it? But I think J.D. vance is in a different position. He can call himself the deputy to this president and everything good that's happened. When the president's abroad with his cabinet, it's J.D. vance who's here. How do you see it?
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So Vance, look, he has the bully point pulpit from being a vice president. That's undeniable. And history has shown us that he has another advantage. He has a story. You know, we talk about it in the A block about the messenger being as important or maybe more important even than the messaging. And as any good prosecutor knows, when you're doing your closing argument, the idea is to give a narrative. We're hardwired for stories. And his story of coming off a mountain in Appalachia had a very hard scrabble beginning. Goes to Yale Law School now. He's the vice president of the country. He's right next to the biggest job in the world. So great story. He's got one thing that can really undermine him here, which is the thing that makes him strong right now, Donald Trump. If the Trump administration doesn't work, then he's going to own that as well. So you need to own it for the better or owner for the worse. On the other side, similar story. I'm going to go out on a limb here. I'm going to say it's aoc, all right? And I'm going to tell you why. She's got the Mamdani thing, which she doesn't really stand for anything. She stands for platitudes. I'm going to make your life better. Everything's going to be cheaper. Don't ask where the money's going to come from. I'm just going to do it. Look at any of the significant legislation that she has sponsored. I'll wait, because you're not going to find it. The Green New Deal, it's a joke. There's nothing else. What can undermine her, because I do think it's her, is the same thing, Mamdani. Because Mamdani is sort of, you know, her mirror image. And as we watch him crash and burn in New York, assuming that happens, she'll own that because she's New York and she's coming from a similar place. So it goes a little bit to what you're saying. If they're both the front runners right now, they got to make sure they stay there because they could own failures that are adjacent.
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Let's be fair to aoc. I looked this up a few months ago, and she had passed legislation to rename a post office or a park.
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She did one.
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Yes. Or maybe two post offices. Tyrus, you've been a great Trump Savant in these 10 years, the era of Trump. How do you think the best way to handle not on the Democratic side, but the Republican side, is President Trump not being on the ballot in 2028, but obviously being very relevant.
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I think the biggest thing is to not. This is what happens when things are good in the country. You talk about the future when it's three years away. And here's the thing, none of these people on the board, with the exception of the vp, because he's in the game, are actually going to be there at the finish. America, you can get away with the little weird stuff in New York because New York City's weird. They vote against their own interests. That's their New York thing. I'm dealing with it. The legitimate people for the Democratic Party aren't even thinking about the presidency. They're doing what they need to do right now. I think Hakeem Jeffries is the guy that he's passing stuff. He's Showing leadership. The Democratic Party's slowly getting away from this progressive stuff. You're going to look at someone like that who's doing the work right now. This is flash and pan. These are people who are good for what media ratings. You get AOC on. The Republicans watch because they want to see if she's going to say something silly, you know, and if J.D. vance. Oh, he's Trump. They can't touch Trump. So we're going to get J.D. vance. This is all what happens when you have nothing to do. So instead of playing poll games, we should have made this segment where we all showed pictures of our children and our family. And what we're going to do for this weekend, Go outside and play. Everyone get hobbies. I recommend fishing. It's relaxing. But this is the result. You can never beat President Trump again. I have to keep saying it. He won. Game over. There's no ball. There's no field. J.D. vance, if he can, like, if he keeps going on this trajectory. But who knows? Rubio might catch fire. Hell, I might run. Who knows what's going on back there? Yes, I know with this. Because I don't wear makeup on tv. So there's baby skin. Me and Johnny might run. Who knows? We might have a mixed ticket and just do it. Who knows? But the point is, this isn't much to do about nothing.
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Well, the Democrats want to talk about it because they don't have a message.
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Because they're getting their butts kicked. I want to talk about anything else. If I'm in a football game, I'm down 56 to 3. Team Trump smoking me. I want to talk to Johnny about. Hey, let's go fishing.
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Richard, let's talk to the Democrats. I have a question for you. Let's talk about Kamala. What to do about Kamala, because people are begging Donald Trump for his endorsement. On the Republican side. Nobody is asking Kamala, including the two women who just won the governorships in New Jersey and Virginia, to campaign with her. She seems like a punchline.
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Number one. I think Tyrus is right. I think, you know, there's a long time we have a midterm election to get through before we could even think about what happens in 2028. I think the second thing, and I think Kamala Harris is a footnote in history to this particular point, is that that only 13 vice presidents have actually occupied the Oval Office, which is bad odds for Mr. J.D. vance. And I give you a lot of credit, kellyanne. Cause in 2016, you took somebody who was a Household name. And you made him president with your pollster magic. I'm a DC Insider. I know what Kellyanne was capable of doing.
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She's a kingmaker.
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And I think what the problem is for JD Vance is he doesn't have that sort of Trump brand ID that will make him somebody that sort of can last out in a field that is going to be full of a lot of contenders, including Marco Rubio, including Nikki Haley. I think Pam Bondi is going to be in that mix, too. I think there's a lot of contenders that also will have a story to tell. And we'll see who.
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Kellyanne Conway. We've got a little.
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And we'll see who. We'll see who picks up Kellyanne Conway.
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Before Joey closes us out, though, name three Democrats you'd be comfortable with.
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I think the field is. I think there's a lot. I think it's way too early. I think the field is wide and I think there's a lot of good candidates out there.
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All right, X, Y and Z. Kelly.
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Yeah, it's super quick. Anything before the midterms is a fool's errand. We need to see what the game is. If it becomes Democrats in charge of the House going after President Trump, trying to impeach him, it may be a Republican that defends him. Well, that gains some momentum. It may be a Democrat that attacks him. Well, I think that's where Kamala Harris cut her teeth on a national stage, was being there in front of the judiciary attacking Kavanaugh.
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So.
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So we'll just have to wait and see.
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Coming up next, the worst mayor in the country, Chicago's Brandon Johnson, has a petty new way to protest ice.
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We'll forget the sun in his jealous.
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Sky as we lie in the fields of gold. Up in here Y' all gonna make me go up.
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Y' all gonna make me act a fool up in here. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson acting like a straight up 12 year old by endorsing abolish ICE as a snowplow's name for the city's annual Name that Plow naming contest.
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Watch, over the course of several years in this city, we have stood firm on our values. And it just happened to coincide with the time in which we name all of our fleet utilities.
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And of course, you know, we have.
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To take a stronger look at how this administration has used ICE and how it has caused tremendous harm. So that's why that particular name of.
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This truck being named Abolish ICE has.
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My full and complete endorsement.
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Well, Paul, his full and complete endorsement and $2 won't even buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. What is your response to this evil tactic?
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What a punch there, huh? He's so clever. How about we name the thing which wouldn't fit very well on a bumper sticker. How about we go abolish dead young men in the streets every weekend? That might be a good idea. Quick story about this guy. We don't have a lot of time. Going into 2024, they decided and he decided that they were going to get rid of something called shotspotter. Okay. Why? This is a microphone that picks up shots in various areas. Why do they have it out there? Because a lot of shots that are fired are not reported and they want to know where to put police resources. Where are the shots fired? They're in high crime neighborhoods, period. End of story. He decides the whole thing is racist. He's going to get rid of it. That's bad enough because we know what the result's going to be. But he virtual signals. Then what happens? They get the dnc. All of a sudden he changes his mind. Oh, why don't we keep it? And then they get rid of it in November of 2024 once the DNC is over in Chicago. To me that's a tacit admission. I know it works. I'm getting rid of it because of the optic. Because I just want a virtue signal and people are going to die. But that's okay. I have a snowplow. Snowplow that I can name and that makes me a great mayor. It doesn't. This guy's an abomination.
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Richard. I hate when politicians take non political things and add and sprinkle it with. Politics does this. It doesn't move the needle for anyone having. You're not going to see it because the snow pile is going to be full of snow. So what is the point?
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Listen, I think he's speaking for a city who was not happy with the Midway blitz that ICE did. But I want to respond to what you said about Shotspotter because actually 2025 will go down as being the lowest crime year in Chicago since 1965.
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It's really shaky.
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And they've had the lowest number of homicides in the city since 1965. And that has a lot to do with the fact that this mayor has not only worked with the police to decrease homicides, he's kept the rec centers open, he's worked with youth to make sure they don't commit crimes. And he's actually doing a remark job. I'VE been on the ground and seen the work that he's doing and it's worth folks paying more attention. Not only him, the mayor of Baltimore has also decreased the murders there in Detroit. All across the country, we're seeing crime going down because local mayors are working with communities to decrease the murder rate and decrease crime. And it's admirable and it's something that we should talk about more about in 2025.
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What's the difference between falling off the 20th floor and the 18th floor?
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No, it's actually real conduit.
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It has nothing to do with the fact that we've deployed ICE and all these.
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No, it has nothing to do with actual.
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It has nothing to do with ice.
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Because it was happening before.
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Furthermore, we were paying attention to it.
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But it was happening before that, though.
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Hey, listen, I don't care what's your name or snowplows, because I'm never going to live in a place where you got to have them unless I'm in prison and I don't have a choice in it. So you name whatever you want to. I think attacking a law enforcement agency that is literally saving lives is a bad op, but if that's what the people of Chicago want, let them have it.
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Would you, if you were advising him, would you. Would you tell him this is a good way to go?
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No, I would tell him to stop listening to the 20 somethings, giving him these great ideas that he's supposed to be cool and not everything has to be a social media meme. Get serious. You just lost your status as the number three city to Houston because more people are moving out than moving in.
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Bam. Up next, imagine having a 550 pound bear as your roommate. Or in my case, a shadow. Yeah, that happened. The fastest is next.
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Welcome back. It's time for the fastest. First up, I think we've got a problem. A California man has a £550 bear living under his house. For the past month, he's threatened to sue the state after they failed to capture the beast. He gave them a stand. The state gave him a stand down order after they tried to remove it. But the California officials say they're committed to helping him. But the bear is still there. Tyrus, you know.
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It'S obviously he needs to go sleep this off for about six months. You know, he was fattening up. If they're not gonna help or they're gonna either they're complacent in helping you with your situation, I'd start, you know, drugging his bear snacks. With some Ozempic, get his weight down and then eventually, you know, he'll come walking out and then stand your ground.
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I didn't know that GOP one's worked on bears.
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I would try anything because right now the best thing for him to do is probably move or, you know, keep feeding it and maybe he'll have a heart attack.
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Bear don't care. And now that there's a bear cam, it's going to be very difficult for anyone to take him out in any way other than to course him with Mormy. Look, I appreciate the fact he's probably the only person taking rear view selfie and not saying, do I look fat in this picture?
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Oh, boy.
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Because he knows he looks fat in every picture. Boom. Sorry.
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Show me, you know, where I live. The state wouldn't have a chance to weigh in. I'd have a new rug and no nuisance problem and nobody would know. But with that being said, maybe the complication is that that's the state animal. You know, maybe there's protections. It's like, hey, if he wants to live here, he gets to. Because that's our state animal. I'm not sure why they don't want to help out other than it's 550 pounds of loose weight.
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Oh, you don't want to be called racist.
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I mean, 550 pounds of dead weight fall.
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All I'll say is I'll never complain about New York City rats again.
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And talking about New York City. And finally, speed tickets are getting some air support. The Wall Street Journal is reporting on how cops are expanding the use of remote controlled drones to enforce ordinances and issue tickets to speeders.
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This is great. Great. I love it. Now you can't complain about the racist cop pulling you over. It's the racist machine that will take a picture, snapshot you, and you'll get a letter in the mail. This is, this is modern technology. It's safer on the roads and they can see more things. They can cover more ground, they can arrest more bad guys.
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Speeding tickets.
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It's Big Brother at the moment, they're still viewing.
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I agree with Kevin.
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They know where we are at all times.
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100%. I should be able to go miles.
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Over the speed limit is actionable.
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I should be able to go as fast as I want to, as long as it's in a straight line.
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If you live in D.C. the speed cameras are already enough. The drones too much.
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They are. I think there should be a drone for every person in America floating above their heads. The only Thing that's good about this is the fact, like you said, cops never see who's driving the car. Just driving white blacks. The car goes by, you don't see who's driving it. I mean, I've never given a speeding ticket, but that said, that's just how it goes. But I will tell you this, it does free up resources. If the cops are not given speeding tickets, they're out chasing Vegas.
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Listen, we've got to free up some resources because one More Thing is up there next.
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All right, real quick, before we get to one more thing, make sure to tune in to the five tomorrows. We get ready to ring in the 2026 new year with our New Year's Eve extravaganza. Plus we're going to have a special guest. This person will absolutely blow your mind. That's all I'm going to say. That's at 5pm tomorrow. Alright, now it's time for one more thing. I'm going to go first. Check this out. So this dude took the Missouri Highway Patrol on a high speed chase and a big truck in a semi. But watch this. A perfect deployment of a spike strip. Slows the guy down, stops him right there. That's not as easy as you think it would be. And also who does a high speed chase in a semi? Not the smartest guy. All right, Kellyanne.
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Thanks, Joey. Visitors to Hawaii's Mount Kilauea are being urged to follow the rules after two men got dangerously close. A live cam caught the lava crashers during Kilauea's 39th episode of the Eruption. That eruption setting lava skyward more than 100ft in the air. One of the men is seen throwing a shaka at the live stream. Can Hawaii's national park says please keep a safe distance and do not trespass and don't worry about your Instagramable moment. Stay safe.
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That's scary.
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That's a good way to find out.
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So in Texas, the FBI have arrested a 21 year old alleged ISIS sympathizer. The Dallas field office rolled him up. I just want to surface one thing real quick. My old unit, NYPD Intelligence, their cyber unit is actually who pulled this case out, Engaged the subject online, contextualized it, make sure it was legitimate that everybody does the right thing. They handed off to the FBI. The FBI works the case and nothing goes boom before New Year's Eve. Great job to all of them. And that's the way it's supposed to go, Richard.
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On December 12, the Jamaica stronger Leaf concert lit up UBS arena in New York to raise money for the people of Jamaica after the hurricane After Hurricane Melissa, big names like Shaggy, Sean Paul and Moore took to the stage to support the cause. The night was filled with powerful performance, waving flags and a real sense of unity all coming in to support all to support Jamaica and help after the her after about the hurricane Melissa Marine Awesome.
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Well, you know what time it is. It's Tyrus is one more thing for Planet Tyrus Comedy Tour. I'm gonna be in Florida, Michigan, Indiana, Arizona, California, wherever. I've got a few tickets left. Get them while you can.
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Awesome.
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I might go buy some tickets man. Go check you out.
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I got you.
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Hey, that's gonna do it for us. Have a great new year. Tune in tomorrow and we'll see you.
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In this episode, the panel discusses the ongoing phenomenon of "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS) among liberals, the refusal to acknowledge President Trump's reported policy wins, and the broader state of partisan discourse in the U.S. The group also covers controversies around fraud in Minnesota's social programs, the early jostling for the 2028 presidential race, and local political moves such as the "Abolish ICE" snowplow naming in Chicago. Throughout, the panel maintains its signature mixture of sharp criticism, sarcastic asides, and banter.
Trump's Record (00:33–01:11):
Joey Jones sets the stage, summarizing Trump's year as one of strong economic growth, lower inflation, reduced crime, and a "secure border," noting liberal refusals to credit these points.
Bill Maher’s Observation (01:11–01:34):
Maher's critique that for some, hating Trump has become a defining personality trait.
“If that’s your whole personality… the first thing out of your mouth is ‘What are we gonna do about Donald Trump?’ — I just can’t.” — Bill Maher [01:11]
Rosie O’Donnell & Social Media Outrage (01:34–02:24):
Rosie O’Donnell's renewed call for Trump’s removal via the 25th Amendment – and her hyperbolic language:
“He needs to be stopped. So 25th amendment. Come on, people... It is not a good man. It's hardly even a human.” — Rosie O'Donnell [02:09]
Eric Swalwell’s Impeachment Threats (02:24–02:46):
Swalwell ramps up rhetoric, telling Trump officials to “save your emails, your text messages. We’re not going away.” [02:34]
Tyrus’ Spin on Media Outrage (03:01–04:08):
Tyrus questions why fringe figures like Rosie O’Donnell are given any attention at all:
“If Rosie O’Donnell speaks in a forest and Fox doesn't pick it up, nobody hears it… This is the problem of being in a very successful year and a very successful administration.” — Tyrus [03:01]
He lampoons the TDS phenomenon and advocates moving on:
“You're never going to get a chance to beat President Trump. He's done. He won. Game over. Move on.” — Tyrus [03:42]
Kellyanne Conway’s Critique (04:10–05:45): She argues that “Trump is bad” is an insufficient message for Democrats, highlighting tangible policy accomplishments:
“Is it his historic tax relief? The dereg on small businesses? Is the peace deals he's making?... I've tried every which way in the 10 years of Trump… don't you like this policy?... Are you done defending Biden and Harris? You're indefensible.” — Kellyanne [04:21]
She also questions the emotional state of critics:
“Don't you have anybody who loves you? You need a hug or a husband or a hobby or a hairy dog?” — Kellyanne [05:32]
Richard Fowler’s Pushback (06:24–07:48): Richard refocuses on “real problems” facing Americans, like healthcare and the nursing shortage:
“Trump Derangement Syndrome is a luxury that is afforded to those who aren't worried about their grocery bills... For America's registered nurses that can't afford to move, they're dealing with the real ramifications of Medicaid cuts and healthcare premiums going up.” — Richard [06:24]
Debate Over Issues vs. Obsession (07:55–11:15): Paul Morrow underscores energy policy and immigration as Trump's core wins, while noting Democrats lack a compelling messenger:
“We are a carbon-based system. We are carbon-based people. That matters. That's the domestic situation. To me that's his most important accomplishment.” — Paul [09:45]
"...in this era... it's about the messenger as much as it is the issues. And the Dems just don't have the messenger... He lives in their heads. It's a fatal attraction." — Paul [10:49]
Outline of the Scandal (11:54–13:34): Panel discusses reporting by Nick Shirley on a childcare and nutrition aid fraud in Minnesota allegedly tied to Somali-American migrants. Governor Tim Walz faces pressure as federal investigators dig in.
Politico Reporter’s “Stand Your Ground” Tweet (12:48–14:18): The team derides Politico reporter Josh Gerstein’s suggestion that reporters could be shot while investigating the scandal, seeing it as both hyperbolic and revealing of media bias.
Cultural Sensitivity and Systemic Claims (19:26–21:51): Richard Fowler urges distinguishing individual wrongdoers from whole immigrant communities:
“When you talk to the Somali community... what they're saying is you are trying to... blame our entire community for one or two or three bad actors... There's 80,000 Somalis who live in Minnesota… There should not be a wholesale attack against the Somali community or immigrant communities in general.” — Richard [19:26]
Joey Jones pushes back:
“If you have a community that comes here to this country so tight knit and so still adhere to the country they came from, that they don’t have any sort of allegiance… that's the problem.” — Joey [21:15]
Early Democratic Field and GOP Strength (22:47–23:56): Politico touts Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, and AOC, while J.D. Vance leads New Hampshire polling for Republicans.
Paul Morrow on the Power of Stories in Politics (24:19):
“His story of coming off a mountain in Appalachia, had a very hard scrabble beginning... Goes to Yale Law School, now he's the vice president…” — Paul [24:19]
Paul warns both parties’ front-runners must “own” both successes and failures of their respective brands.
Tyrus’ Take on Political Speculation (26:14–27:53):
“This is what happens when things are good in the country. You talk about the future when it's three years away… You can never beat President Trump again... He won. Game over.” — Tyrus [26:14]
Kamala Harris’ Weakness (28:20–28:52): Discussion turns to the lack of visible support for Kamala Harris as a Democratic kingmaker:
“Nobody is asking Kamala, including the two women who just won the governorships in New Jersey and Virginia, to campaign with her. She seems like a punchline.” — Kellyanne [28:03]
Brandon Johnson Endorses “Abolish ICE” as Snowplow Name (30:25–31:10): The panel ridicules the symbolism, with Paul Morrow suggesting Chicago could better focus on addressing homicides.
“How about we name the thing... ‘Abolish dead young men in the streets every weekend?’ That might be a good idea.” — Paul [31:18]
Debating Crime Stats (32:44–33:50): Richard Fowler notes crime and homicide rates are falling in Chicago and other cities due to direct community intervention by mayors.
Joey dismisses the snowplow stunt as meaningless and criticizes attacking law enforcement as bad optics.
California man has a 550-pound bear living under his house (34:54–36:37): Light-hearted banter with tongue-in-cheek suggestions for resolving the bear problem.
Speeding tickets by drone (36:43–37:55): The group debates surveillance and public safety vs. Big Brother concerns.
The episode is lively, pointed, and sarcastic, reinforcing a recurring argument that Trump critics are out-of-touch and focused on personalities over policies. The hosts mix serious points about policy and political strategy with plenty of ribbing and banter, occasionally veering into hyperbole and strong personal critique. The tone is overtly skeptical of liberal reactions to Trump and current Democratic messaging, while also pillorying progressive stunts such as Chicago’s snowplow naming.
For listeners: This episode will resonate most for fans of 'The Five's' trademark blend of culture war jabs, direct policy talk, and panelist banter. Those seeking a broad cross-section of political opinion, especially direct engagement with Democratic perspectives, may find the discussion heavily tilted.