The Five 05-15-2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five – May 15, 2025

Hosted by FOX News Radio, "The Five" brings together five voices to dissect and debate the hottest topics of the day. In the May 15, 2025, episode, the panel delved into a range of pressing issues, from international diplomacy and political controversies to social movements and entertainment news.

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1. President Trump's Middle East Diplomacy

The episode opened with a robust discussion on President Trump's recent diplomatic tour in the Middle East. Jesse Waters highlighted the unprecedented pace of Trump's engagements, saying, “It's been a very special trip and I can tell you that our country is hot. It's hot as a pistol. I don't think it's never been so hot. And if you go back six months, it was the exact opposite.” (00:49)

Key Highlights:

• Bold Diplomacy: President Trump's swift maneuvering resulted in significant economic and diplomatic deals within days, earning reluctant praise from former Biden officials. Jesse Waters noted, “I said, no, let's go have the meeting because I want to find out what's going on over here.” (01:37)
• Iran Negotiations: Sebastian Gorka commended Trump’s direct negotiations with Iran, emphasizing the strategic move to control Middle Eastern oil supply as a leverage against global powers. “If you control the Middle east oil supply, if we ever go to war with China, oh, too bad,” Gorka asserted. (01:58)

2. Critique of the Biden Administration

The panel members expressed strong criticisms of the current Biden administration, particularly focusing on perceived inefficiencies and leadership flaws.

Notable Quotes:

• Sebastian Gorka criticized Biden’s foreign policy acumen, stating, “Biden didn't see what was possible, one, because he didn't understand the power of oil. He was a green guy.” (02:34)
• Kellyanne Conway attacked the Biden administration's inability to effectively communicate and manage, remarking, “He [Biden] hasn't been asked about any of these revelations. So the second she gets out there, she's going to get crucified.” (26:26)

3. Trump’s Economic and Foreign Policies

The conversation shifted to Trump’s strategic economic policies, particularly his approach to oil markets and international alliances.

Highlights:

• Oil Price Manipulation: Gorka detailed Trump’s strategy to drive oil prices down through Saudi cooperation, pressuring Russia to negotiate and halt drone sales to Iran. “So the Iranians are in the weakest position ever. That's why they're going to do this.” (04:08)
• Economic Alliances: Drawing parallels to post-World War II alliances, Gorka praised Trump’s focus on prosperity over perpetual conflict, “We're doing the same thing. They have liquid gold, and they're sitting right in the middle of the crossroads between Asia and Europe.” (04:08)

4. RFK Jr. Hearing and Democratic Meltdown

The panel discussed the chaotic hearing of RFK Jr. on Capitol Hill, portraying it as indicative of Democratic dysfunction.

Notable Exchanges:

• Greg Gutfeld humorously remarked on RFK Jr.'s protest, “When it comes to RFK Jr, somebody ought to check the 25th Amendment for him.” (32:36)
• Harold Ford Jr. criticized the lack of substantive questioning during the hearing, advocating for more straightforward inquiries into administrative policies. “...they're questions that Americans want answers to.” (35:09)

5. Starbucks Dress Code Controversy

A segment addressed the backlash against Starbucks’ enforcement of a new all-black shirt dress code, leading to significant employee protests.

Key Points:

• Employee Discontent: Thousands of Starbucks workers walked off the job, feeling their individuality was suppressed. “Harold, what's the big deal here? I feel like the unions are just losing a lot of their power and they just pop up for silly issues like this.” (36:53)
• Union Response: Kellyanne Conway defended the company’s stance, arguing that unions often rally over trivial matters. “This seems to be absolutely ridiculous... the union's posting videos showing what outfits got banned.” (35:34)

6. Pete Rose's Hall of Fame Induction

The panel celebrated Pete Rose’s reinstatement into the Baseball Hall of Fame, viewing it as a deserved honor after years of controversy.

Notable Commentary:

• Harold Ford Jr. lauded Rose’s legacy, stating, “He [Rose] deserves to be in the hall... what he did for baseball, he deserves to be in the hall.” (38:12)
• Sebastian Gorka echoed the sentiment, emphasizing Rose’s contributions despite past shortcomings. (38:15)

7. Miscellaneous Updates

Teenage Driver Accident: Dana Perino reported on a harrowing incident where a 17-year-old driver narrowly avoided a fatal accident on Long Island Sound, underlining concerns over teenage driving safety. “A teenage driver narrowly avoided a plunge into the Long Island Sound... the car managed to stick the landing.” (38:15)

Community Highlights:

• Prom Preparations: The panel touched on local stories, including a teenager’s innovative solution to a dress mishap before prom, showcasing community resilience. (40:24)
• Celebrity Features: Brief mentions included Bruce Springsteen’s politically charged performances and humorous takes on current events by panelists. (various timestamps)

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Conclusion: In this episode, "The Five" provided a comprehensive analysis of President Trump's impactful Middle East diplomacy, contrasted sharply with critiques of the Biden administration, and navigated through various political and social issues with a blend of humor and assertive commentary. Notable quotes and lively discussions ensured that listeners gained a clear understanding of the panel’s perspectives on the tumultuous political landscape of 2025.

Transcript

[Sebastian Gorka]

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[Dana Perino]

Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kellyanne Conway, Harold Ford Jr. Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City, and this is the five.

[Jesse Waters]

It's been a very special trip and I can tell you that our country is hot. It's hot as a pistol. I don't think it's never been so hot. And if you go back six months, it was the exact opposite.

[Dana Perino]

Team Biden is said to be in awe of President Trump's De La Palooza trip to the Middle East. The Commander in chief is wrapping things up today with a visit to the United Arab Emirates after racking up an operation warp speed of economic and diplomatic deals in just a couple of days. It's got former Biden officials running to Axios and begrudgedly saluting his boldness. One guy said, gosh, I wish I could work for an administration that can move that quickly. And President Trump couldn't resist taking a jab at how his predecessor was received by the Gulf states.

[Sebastian Gorka]

There were big people on him.

[Jesse Waters]

They want to shake his hand. Biden would have rested the entire trip. He wouldn't, first of all, he wouldn't have made the trip, but if he landed, he would have been rested for about five days before he had the first meeting. I said, no, let's go have the meeting because I want to find out what's going on over here.

[Dana Perino]

And here's just the latest example of Trump's audacious foreign policy moves, like a nuclear deal with Iran.

[Jesse Waters]

Iran has sort of agreed to the terms. They're not going to make, I call it, in a friendly way, nuclear dust. We're not going to be making any nuclear dust in Iran. And we've been strong. I want them to succeed. I want them to end up being a great country, frankly, but they can't have a nuclear weapon. We're getting close to maybe doing a deal without having to do this. There's two steps. There's a very, very nice step and there's a violent step. I don't want to do the second step.

[Dana Perino]

It is pretty remarkable that you have Biden administration officials saying publicly, wow, we wish we could have done something like that.

[Sebastian Gorka]

It's pretty great. I love it. And Biden didn't see what was possible, one, because he didn't understand the power of oil. He was a green guy. And two, he didn't understand how to play these people off of each other. Trump, we're very close with Israel, but we've sidelined the Israelis throughout this whole trip. We're directly negotiating with Iran, the Houthis and Hamas, and we're basically waiting for Netanyahu to end the war in Gaza because that unlocks the Abraham Accords. And now that we got our last American hostage out of there, the pressure's on them. Now the Iranians are selling drones to the Russians. How do we stop that? You get the Saudis to drive the price of oil down. So Putin has to negotiate, end the war, and they cut off the drone sales. Also, we've isolated the Iranians because their best friend Assad came, is gone. He's lounging in Moscow. And so we also caught the Chinese buying sanctioned oil from the Iranians. And Trump's threatening to slap whoppers of more sanctions on that oil. And if that happens, they have to negotiate. The Iranians are in the weakest position ever. That's why they're going to do this. So if you control the Middle east oil supply, if we ever go to war with China, oh, too bad. The Chinese importance 100% of their oil. So with our navy and our control over the Mideast, we can bring them to their knees without even squeezing a trigger. Sebastian Gorka said something very brilliant today. Why are you laughing?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Greg, your impression?

[Sebastian Gorka]

That's actually how you pronounce his name.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Gorka.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Gorka. He said, eight years ago, the strategy in the Mideast was security, destroy ISIS and Abraham Accords, and now it's prosperity. It's kind of like what we did after World War II. Japan and Western Europe, we had this economic alliance that just created so much wealth over the last few decades. What has happened in the Middle East? They've been at War since the 80s. We're doing the same thing. They have liquid gold, and they're sitting right in the middle of the crossroads between Asia and Europe. I love it.

[Dana Perino]

I'm going to disagree with you on the part about the Israelis, because I don't think the purpose is to distance. In fact, when they killed Sinwar yesterday, the Americans said nothing. When Obama's team went over there every time they went, they had to say something critical about the Israelis, and the Trump administration has not done that. Harold, do you want to politely disagree with me again?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, no, no. I think, look, whenever an American president succeeds, it's good to be back around the table. Whenever an American president succeeds, I applaud them. And I think it's very hard not to see some of the things that Jesse just outlined that the president and his team have been able to accomplish on this amazing trip. You know, the president did a little of everything he normally does. There's a great showmanship and a great theater. There's great substance. You have a trillion dollars, it sounds like, if not more, of investment opportunities and commitments to invest in the United States from our allies there in the region. It's still not totally clear to me what we get for the lifting of sanctions on Syria, but I like the progress. I think you have to be willing to make peace with your enemies because you don't need to make peace with your friends. So finding ways in which to advance us commercially is a really, really smart thing. As he gets home, I'll be interested to hear the Israel party. And I disagree with you, Jesse, on that part. I agree with Dana. I hope this is.

[Sebastian Gorka]

I'm not saying we're not allies. I'm just saying we're doing a lot of stuff on the side without them bringing.

[Dana Perino]

No, you said that we are distancing from them on purpose and making deals with other people.

[Sebastian Gorka]

We're directly negotiating with a mosque. Never happened before. We're directly negotiating with the mullahs. Never happened before.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Pull the tape.

[Sebastian Gorka]

We always have the Israelis in our bag during these negotiations. We just did a one on one with the Houthis.

[Dana Perino]

Impressive.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

So I think all. And thank you. I'll just take back what little time I have left. I think all of this is a positive and I think I'm looking forward to the next, I think, which is equally important because we've had such chaos and turmoil in that region of the world for a long time. I'm looking forward to how the President approaches the Ukraine, Russia negotiation. I hope that we still are able to get the rare earth minerals deals from them because I think that's so important to us being able to counter China going forward. And if this trip is any indication of what the president is able to accomplish, I'm optimistic about what he'll be able to get done.

[Dana Perino]

Kellyanne, it's interesting to have the juxtaposition yet again. This has been going on for almost a year with President Trump getting wins and the Biden team continuing to suffer losses. Also continued this week. As you compare one administration to the next, in the middle of all of these books coming out saying that Biden wasn't really even in charge.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Well, he clearly was not in charge. And look, this is central to the Trump candidacy and presidency to just do this global transformative power of peace through strength, but peace through wealth now. And I think that those twin pillars really define his two interrupted terms. This week was bookended though everything that we see that happened during the workweek, Dana. It was bookended by Greer and Besant being in Geneva, sitting down with the Chinese, and also Edon Alexander being returned in our backyard here to Tenafly, New Jersey. And I think on the back end of this, you're going to see so much more American investment in America, foreign investment in America. How many American CEOs were there this week? They didn't need to go. They can just go to the Oval Office. They can put out a press release about my new factory, my new facility, my new manufacturing on shoring. They wanted to be there because they knew that this was historic, not just for the billions in the trillions, but it's historic for the peace stuff, too. I just want to review quickly. And Trump won. What he did to Iran is so transformative. Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize. It's announced in October 2009. He's not even on the job for eight months, nine months. He's going to get the Peace Prize. He gives us the Muslim Brotherhood. He screws up Syria, Libya, Egypt, you name it. Here comes Trump in the first term and he says, iran, we're going to cut off your basic, you know, your livelihood, your oil, your energy production. And he enforced sanctions. What did that do? Iran was flat on its back looking to do a deal. Biden gets in there. He and John Kerry put us back in the jcpoa. They take off of the foreign terrorist organizations, the Houthis and Hamas, and look at everything that's happened since. So this is called causation, not coincidence. And the fact that the Democrats just can't shake themselves loose of Biden a year after they shut themselves loose of Biden tells you everything about that. If just a Democrat or three Harold would come to come forward and say, you know what? I'm going to vote for that Tax Cut and Jobs act bill. I think this was great this week. I'm going to be part of the D. Wright, I'm going to be part of the energy dominance to Jesse's Point.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

If oil get all the Republicans, I'll get three Democrats. If you get every Republican.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Okay, I'm working on it. But if oil goes down even more, this guy is completely unstoppable. This was the most successful week of the Trump presidency so far.

[Dana Perino]

All right, Greg Gutfeld, without sneezing.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

Can you give us a brilliant, brilliant point?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I have hay fever. Is that hay fever?

[Dana Perino]

I think that's really bad. Allergies this year.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's interesting. Why does the world respond to Trump in a way that confuses Western media? It's because the world wants what he has and the media doesn't. They understand aspirational goals, like you said. To them, Trump is a possibility machine. If you're going to meet him, you better meet him, because you never know what you might get out of him. But there was no sense of hope with the Democrats, not when your hood ornament was a decomposing bureaucrat. What. What were you gonna get out of that? I'm old enough to remember when the media was telling us Trump was a global laughingstock. Might have been a few weeks ago. I think. Now they're giving him jets before they were giving Joe Biden transfusions. Doesn't seem that people are treating him like a laughingstock. They're legitimately excited. They are alive around Trump. So it's another one of the media lies. We're sick of talking about the media's lies, but you gotta ask, is the media sick of their constant losing? Their framework, their framing, which they use to perceive reality, keeps leading them to defeat. Every day they think something's going to happen, and it doesn't happen. TDS is a lousy filter to perceive life. The election, trade, immigration, the Maryland man. You know, every single issue, the Dems are ritually humiliated, and it's because of their filter. For Trump, doing big things is easy because we aren't stuck reinventing basic principles. You know, he says, let's work on a peace deal. Let's get rich. It's not, let's push trans awareness in Malaysia. You want a laughing stock. You know, the world's greatest country was going around the world questioning biology. These countries don't have the luxury or the time for that. They want peace and prosperity, not Drag Queen story hour. We were the laughing stock under Biden, and now it's all back to normal. They understand winning. So my advice to Dems is if you see somebody winning a lot, you gotta ask yourself, what does that person have that you don't have? That's how you learn. You run into people your entire life and you wonder, man, they got it figured out. It's one thing you look at Trump, you, he's got it figured out. They see it, we see it. Those are the people that should guide you. The problem with the Dems is their delusional assessment of Trump can't explain his success. And they also can't predict it. So they pin their hopes every morning waking up that he's gonna fail. And every morning they're disappointed and they get more miserable and they get more desperate. I don't see any hope for them.

[Dana Perino]

Like they used to hope that the judicial system was going to solve their problem for them. Yeah. And other things. And we will continue to talk about this because up next, Born to run his mouth, Bruce Springsteen belts out a brutal ballad against President Trump.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Take it from me, if you want a T shirt to sleep in. It's my favorite, but you can keep it.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Looks good, baby.

[Jesse Waters]

You should leave it hanging off your shoulder.

[Greg Gutfeld]

T Mobile has an exclusive.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy, host of the Trey Gowdy Podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Listen and follow now@fox newspodcast.com.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Keep.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It.

[Jesse Waters]

Shows that they're almost insane and they do suffer from Trump derangement syndrome at a high level. And I guess I'm honored by that.

[Sebastian Gorka]

You know what that means? It's TDS Thursday. First up, Chuck Schumer thinks the president's hatred of offshore windmills makes him a dictator.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Donald Trump hates offshore wind. Supposedly, years ago, they built a wind farm off the coast of his Scotland golf course. He fought to kill it, he lost. So now he's taking it out on all offshore wind to the detriment of the American energy needs in a way.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That is like.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's like a dictatorship.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Yes, the Boss is getting his TDS on. Bruce Springsteen delivered a fiery speech against President Trump while on tour in Europe.

[Jesse Waters]

In my home, the America I love, the America I've written about, that has.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Been a beacon of hope and Liberty.

[Jesse Waters]

For 250 years, currently in the hands of a corrupt, incompetent, and treasonous administration.

[Sebastian Gorka]

And then there's the Democrats weird impeachment guy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Even some Democrats have called me lunatic.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Just like the President has called me lunatic.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But they have never said. Nobody has said to me, Mr. Tanadar.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The seven articles of impeachment that you presented to the US Congress. Deadpiece.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Dana. Bruce Springsteen we'll get to him in a minute. You're a fan, right?

[Dana Perino]

Don't you remember what I said on my birthday?

[Sebastian Gorka]

What did you say?

[Dana Perino]

That my unpopular opinion is that he's overrated.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Oh, that's right.

[Dana Perino]

No, but I mean, obviously, like, there's. I like, like one song. Just kidding. What I don't love is. For example, we have had stories about Rosie o' Donnell. Right. So you can praise her for saying, oh, well, at least she finally followed through on that and went off and moved to Ireland and wants to be on tv. So Bruce Springsteen. First of all, I never go to a concert and want a political lecture, ever. I don't go to Broadway for political lectures or I don't watch movies for political lectures. And I would just prefer not to have that. But then you heard the reaction from the crowd, and I really dislike it when an American would go over and do that, especially the President's overseas. I also would say. I would say the same. If a pop star did that or a rock star did that about Joe Biden when he was president, I just think it's wrong. I wouldn't do it overseas.

[Sebastian Gorka]

He probably wouldn't do that in New Jersey or anywhere here because all of his fans would hate it.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah. He would get booed. Yeah. So he. Right. So he's playing to the crowd. The other thing is on Mr. Impeachment Man.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

I think about the Democrats who are standing behind him holding the signs, and they just got smacked down so badly by the people in their own party and how far away we are from the previous Trump administration. And also after all of the trials that he had to go through in the last four years, like here in New York, it fell flat. This guy was openly attacked by other Democrats. And here's a prediction, because we like predictions. I bet the Democrats find a way to primary this guy, and he will not be in office in 2026.

[Sebastian Gorka]

After 2026, Greg, happy TDS Thursday.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Why, thank you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You're welcome.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Did you get me anything?

[Sebastian Gorka]

Not yet.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right. I only like ointments. Again, Trump is annexed the territory of common sense, and you have the Dems outside looking in and they're convinced that it's just better to keep moving left than it is to just come join the fun, join the party. Because they hate Trump so much. And by doing that, as you see with Springsteen, who is a pussy for doing that in another country and not doing it in America, he is a. I already said it. Yes. The View. I watch it. So you don't Actually criticized Trump's plan to slash drug prices. We knew that would happen. That no matter what Trump does that's good, they're gonna say it's evil. So what was the reason? He didn't say specifically what drugs would be reduced, and then he called him fat. Could you imagine a host making fun of somebody's weight like that? Imagine just absolutely disgusting. What pigs they are. But, you know, the standard criticism of the Democrats, the left and the media together, one big glump is that they're out of ideas, they're in denial, they're dishonest. That never mattered before. They kind of work together. And they were immune from criticism. They could say whatever they wanted. It was fine. For some reason, it's no longer working. They're getting very desperate. The Democrats are not buying it from that guy. They're not going to. They know the. They've run out of impeachment chips. They're done. And they. And to use that same analogy, the media bet put all their chips on black, which was the Biden cover up, and they lost. So there's none of this stuff is actually working. And they keep going further and further to this irrational edge where at some point, because the earth is flat, they're gonna fall off.

[Dana Perino]

And now Trump's playing with house money.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Kellyanne, what? Do you notice the difference between the resistance in the first term and the second term?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Well, a couple things. First of all, I can't believe that the democrats have had 10 years to prepare for Donald Trump, the presidential candidate and the president. They've had six months to prepare for his second term and still can't find a message or a messenger that is sticky with the public. In other words, that the public say, aha, there's someone I can listen to that understands why union households and African Americans, Hispanic Americans and young people and Catholics and a lot of folks who otherwise usually don't vote. That Republican voted for Trump. They're not ready, so they're reduced to calling him names. And I feel that they are. They're just stuck in one speed, one note. And when Chuck Schumer looks down to read something that someone else wrote, you know they're in trouble. And, Jesse, this is what I think. The resistance, in some ways, it's got smaller fangs, but in some ways, it sounds exactly the same. And the problem with that is Trump has overcome everything that the resistance has tried to resist. So for the Democrats, I can't believe not a single one of them looks happy. No one has any joy on the job There's Trump dancing with our troops today, giving them a pay raise and all the while having joy on the job. He has broken the Democratic Party. He has broken people like fake Jake Tapper. He's broken the whole ethos that if we can just be not Trump, that's enough. And in the meantime, he's doing things that Democrats could have done and he's doing it in a very public facing way. Was it behind closed doors in the three Gulf states? Was it a dinner that we have to pretend that we're getting leaks about? No. He did it all in front of us at all times. And while he's doing that, his team is also negotiating bilateral trade deals. These countries and companies are lining up and he's going to have more and more companies investing in America. They highlight this at the White House every week. They tell us what 10 companies that week invested half, many billions and trillions of dollars. So I think that three things that are different this time. Number one, he's got more corporate America behind him at this point. Eight years ago, we had about 20 CEOs who wanted to talk to him. I'm triple counting to make myself feel better and to impress you. It wasn't that many. Number two, he's got a better relationship with Capitol Hill and the unifying spirit that they have now. And I think they're going to pass this, Harold, because even though they have a much smaller margin, we had plus 40 seats last time, but that's distorting when you have too much fat in the system. All it did was give air and water to fractionalization and we couldn't do things like repeal and replace Obamacare. We couldn't get the Tax Cut and Jobs act passed until December that year. Not March, not June, not September. And the other thing that's different this time is more of America is aligned with the America first agenda. Ten years ago this week, he was talking about illegal immigration. He's losing his contract at Macy's for doing that. And now people are saying, you know what? That's the number two issue in all seven swing states and nationwide in the last election. More Americans saying, I'm with the America first agenda. So the resistance looks that much smaller, that much pettier, that much quieter.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The challenge the president has as we sit here this evening, and I don't disagree with a lot what you said, but some of it I do. And here's where it is. The president has a great advantage because Democrats suck. You're absolutely right there. But in a day in which Walmart said they're going to raise prices on a day after Microsoft laid off 3% of its workers. On a day in which I am so happy. Last week, the President decided to reverse the tariffs because that's why you're getting some confidence back. And indeed the market has reacted like it has. I hope he takes it a step further. We need a pro growth transformation of the tax code. I've said it here before. Democrats offer the first 50k of income for Americans to be tax free, offer the first hundred K of business revenue to be tax free, raise taxes on Those earning over $5 million a year and pay for no taxes on tips in overtime. You want to do something on government reform? Ask every government head, meaning the Cabinet heads that come before Congress and give us a 5% cut in their budgets and to tell us why. Why it works and scale the things that are not and scrap the things that are not working. You're right in one regard. We don't have a leader. But there is an opening in Democrats. If you don't take the opening in a substantive way, we're going to find ourselves sentenced to what Greg Gutfeld said throughout here.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Harold Ford for president, for President. It's Harold Ford, everybody.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Let him keep going.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Up next, I'm not joking. The most damning Biden brain revelation yet.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's been one brutal headline after another for former President Biden. Now we're learning. Top Biden Cabinet members privately worried he couldn't handle a 2am crisis. And Biden's inner circle allegedly froze out key members of his Cabinet during the back half of his term. Another bombshell. Former President Biden apparently forgot the name of his longtime aide Jake Sullivan and called him Steve. Earlier, Jake Sullivan got grilled about Biden's mental decline. Watch this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What happened in that debate was a shock to me. I think it was a shock to everybody.

[Sebastian Gorka]

And I've made that point before.

[Dana Perino]

Just finally, do you think in retrospect.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Given everything that's happened, everything we've talked.

[Greg Gutfeld]

About today, it was a mistake for.

[Sebastian Gorka]

President Biden to try to run again?

[Greg Gutfeld]

One of the things about being National Security Advisor is that you're mercifully insulated from politics and political decision making.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

DP I'll come to you first on this. Is Jake Sullivan's answer there, do you believe believable or credible? No.

[Dana Perino]

But I mean, first of all, when all these books are coming out, why not cancel your media appearances? Why is everybody out there talking? If you want to move forward, then cancel the media appearances and just take The L and just get over it for a while. Remember I used to say, why does President Biden never have a cabinet meeting? They never met. They went nine months without meeting. And now you find out that anonymously they were saying they didn't hear from Biden for weeks at a time. Pete Buttigieg just told the media this week that he didn't see anything wrong with that. Well, what is Buttigieg doing all the time? He was working on his own political brand and not working on things like air traffic control. Then you have somebody like Janet Yellen, the Treasury Secretary, who could not get into the Oval Office to talk to him about something called inflation and that they had to have talking points written for everybody in order to do that. I'm beginning to think that Lloyd Austin might have said something to President Biden about going into the hospital and that somebody forgot and that he just was a good soldier and said, okay, fine, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to say anything anymore. I. I made a mistake a couple years ago and I demanded that Jake Sherman testify. But Jake Sherman works for Punchbowl News. I meant Jake Sullivan. And I actually do wonder where the hearings are about this.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You think there should be hearings about a former president?

[Sebastian Gorka]

Absolutely. So once they pass this big beautiful bill herald the Democrats are going to vote for some will get onto the hearings. And if they don't, I'm going to give them a piece of my mind. Dana is right. This book by Tapper should have been called Fox was right. What's really new besides the wheelchair? We knew we didn't have cabinet meetings when they did happen. They were staged. We knew no one saw him. So why are we talking about this book so much? It just confirms everything we knew because people in the inside told Jake. All right. This kills every shot Kamala would have had in 28 because the cabinet never met her and she's never him and she's never been asked about any of these revelations. So the second she gets out there, she's going to get crucified. You know what she smells like? She smells like cover up. She'll never get it off her. And for that matter, nobody in the administration who. Where's Mayorkas working right now, Harold, for the Sinaloa cartel. Where's Binder working? She was the one saying Biden was running circles around her. The whole administration is a disgrace.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Greg, you've been eloquent about the media should share more blame here. Do you still is this continues to.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Be your point is that some kind of racist comment? You know, this is bigger than Watergate. Yeah, it is. This makes Watergate look like a parking ticket. We don't need to move forward. We have to move backwards. There was this other tidbit. Cabinet members believe the president could not be relied on to respond to a crisis at night.

[Dana Perino]

Yep.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That means when Biden was president, he was pure 25th amendment material. How do we know this? We found out on May 15, 2025. A year or two, maybe longer after the fact. So this book isn't telling on Joe. Joe's pathetic and sad. It's telling on itself. You know, when does information become so urgent that you don't save it for your stupid book? If this were Trump, if any of this information were about Trump, they wouldn't have saved it for a book. Because remember, while this was happening, Trump wasn't even president. And they were saying he was an existential risk, he was a threat to democracy. While they were saying Trump was a threat to democracy, they had an incapacitated president that they were covering up for. It's insane. This story is so big that I believe the books are designed to kind of let the air out of it and just like, let's get past this. We can't. We can't let them do this. We can't. This is a. This is a huge deal. We were lied to. Look, did you hear about, like, they were doing fake cocktail parties for Kamala Harris? And get this. Because they were worried that she couldn't handle a cocktail party because she drank. We talked about her being drunk all the time. They were doing these dry runs cuz they thought she was an alcoholic. And if we made those jokes, oh my God, she's brilliant and poetic. Oh, how do you say she's so accomplished? No, she's wasted.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Look at her.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Look at her when she talks.

[Kellyanne Conway]

The COVID up would be one thing, but they failed to cover what we all saw. And but for Fox News, we would never have seen people crossing the border the way we did. We would never have seen Joe and heard Joe Biden. I'm so sick of hearing. Had he not run, Kamala would have had more time. She didn't lose, folks, because of racism and sexism. She lost because of eyesight and hearing. She had a different kind of cognitive challenge where she never stepped up into that role. If you see the President of the United States is not being able to perform. If you yourself, as his number two, don't have confidence in his competence. You are duty, balance, constitutionally and practically and politically to step in. And because she didn't work hard. They had no faith in that. By the way, I'm a little tired of hearing about his physical problems. That is not the problem here, folks. They stood at podiums. We don't know what was going on underneath the podium. I don't care. It's cognitive decline. It is the mental capacity to not be able to do the job. I'm not letting any of them get away with it because they tried to ruin us. They tried to ruin our families. They tried to. They spent more time on my kids than Hunter friggin Biden.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Lock them up.

[Kellyanne Conway]

You know what? I'm not forgiving any of them.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What about the pardons?

[Kellyanne Conway]

The 25th Amendment? You mentioned it, Greg. I read it again today. I paid a lot of money for that law degree. I'm going to use it once in a while. Damn it. I read it again today. It clearly should have been invoked by people who were responsible enough in that party. And I have one last question. Why would you even want a job you can't handle? Why does your family want you in that job? Look at Trump. He doesn't need that job. He took that job because he believes in this country and the people believed in him. But I would say that the folks who have covered this up and the journalists who never. Who looked for Russia collusion for three years. How many times have I asked about Russia collusion? They looked for something that wasn't there. They saw something that was there and lied to us about it. Don't let them off the hook.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Harold. In your face.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I like. Moving forward. Up next, total chaos erupting at RFK Jr. S hearing on Capitol Hill.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Democrats having a maha meltdown in Congress. Fresh off his sewage swim, HHS Secretary RFK Jr. Was back in the swamp battling purple haired clowns on the Hill and a socialist ice cream man.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Members of the audience are reminded disruptions.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Will not be permitted while the committee conducts its business.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Congressman DeLauro, you say that you've worked for 20 years on getting food tie out. Give me credit. I got it out in 100 days. You have the power of the purse here.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Thank you. Thank you for reiterating that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But I think that I'm not sure the administration really has internalized that.

[Jesse Waters]

I don't think people should be taking.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Advice, medical advice from me. My time has expired.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Well, then so has your legitimacy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, wow. The lady with the purple hair, Dana. Yeah, she reminds me of one of the evil villains in Scooby Doo. Do you Remember the cartoon? She was, like, always walking around.

[Dana Perino]

But actually, you know what? In real life, she's nice.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, that's a shame.

[Dana Perino]

She is nice. But what's interesting is that on the protesters side of things, they make RFK Jr more sympathetic. Of course, if you think you don't want to, don't agree with him, whatever. On some of the things that he's doing. When the Democrats or these lunatics do this kind of thing, it just makes you crazy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's the guy from Ben and Jerry's.

[Dana Perino]

The guy from Ben and Jerry's. He has more money than he knows what to do with, and he goes and he's protesting this. He's protesting about Gaza at the HHS hearing. It's really, really pathetic. Someone ought to check the 25th Amendment for him.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Jesse, they should come up with a new flavor marble fudge meltdown. You know what I'm saying?

[Sebastian Gorka]

I do. I mean, this guy's made the whole country fat. RFK is trying to make a skinny protesting. So, Greg, this is how it works. Big balls doges some fat out of hhs. The media lies about it and says they're cutting all this important stuff. Some intern hands this crazy congresswoman a fake news article. She reads it to rfk, he fact checks the bejesus out of her. We play it on the five. And that's why everybody thinks Democrats are lunatics.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Kellyanne, you mentioned this before. They just seem. They're all miserable. Whose side do you want to be on? The happy people or the weirdos?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Even if you turn the volume down and solid, you know which side you're on. The Democrats made a huge mistake with RFK Jr. A year or two ago, Greg, by the way, chucking them out of the party. I can't think of a single state where he actually would have beaten Biden in the primaries and caucuses. The way Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary in 23 of them in 2016. So they kick him out of the party, and now he's making a difference. By the way, a lot of young parents love what he's doing particularly. And what I like when we shine a light on the left because they're so crazy. The one vaccine I think RFK should help develop is for tds. He would do a great Stage five. There's no therapeutic, no cure. If he could just have a vaccine for Trump Derangement syndrome, some of those people would be less miserable.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know how they could come up with it? They could take. They'd have to take a sample of Harold's blood and put it in.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Roll up your sleeve, Harold.

[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Because you do not have tds, so.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I think you have to divorce yourself from that. I think that hearing was a great opportunity for Democrats to ask some pretty straightforward questions and put the administration on record on the cuts to Medicaid that are coming down through this reconciliation bill. One out of three Americans who live in red states rely on Medicaid for health insurance. How are you thinking about this going forward? Mr. Secretary, the cuts at NIH give us specifically why you think those cuts are going to benefit the things you want to do in the food space and for that matter, in the health space. They're simple and straightforward and can be tough and partisan questions. And they're questions that Americans want answers to. I don't think. I think you're right. Whether they're having fun and we're not having fun, we can debate. But I know one thing. We're not giving anything constructive to the country. Anything constructive to our supporters or for that matter, those who want to support us a year and a half from now or two and a half years from now.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You're the only sensible Democrat left, Harold, not just there.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

A few more.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, but they're not. They're not talking, that's for sure. All right, what am I saying? Coming up, Starbucks baristas roast their dress code. Energy is like a symphony.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Welcome back. Over a thousand Starbucks workers just walked off the job after the company enforced a new black shirts only dress code. They used to wear any color, and now the union's posting videos showing what outfits got banned. This seems to be absolutely ridiculous. I would love a dress code if somebody said wear an all black shirt. Oh, Greg, are you a barista? Are you a resident barista? But that's true. I just want to make the point that Starbucks put out a great statement. They said, look, thousands of workers did show up that this, this union, Workers United, represents, quote, less than 5% of their total workforce. And they also were talking about how the folks are making basically over an average of $30 an hour. They feel like they're being very fair to their employees.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I mean, and also, work is not a place to exalt your individuality. If it was, I wouldn't be wearing underwear.

[Dana Perino]

Dana, I'm with you. I think that you don't wear underwear. I meant her. For the record, I would love it if somebody said, guess what? Every day you're going to wear this particular color. Like, we get to have, like, different colors on the show, obviously, but I think this is a great thing. If you are going to work at a place where you could, like, spill coffee on yourself, wearing a black shirt is great. It's great. There's all sorts of different kinds.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Harold, what's the big deal here? I feel like the unions are just losing a lot of their power and they just pop up for silly issues like this.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I wouldn't go that far, but I'm all for dress codes. I grew up from seventh grade on. I had to wear a shirt and tie and a jacket to middle school and high school. Well done. I think it was an important. It helped me to get focused. There was no competition what kids were gonna wear. And I'd say to anybody, a union or employer, if your employer wants you to dress a certain way and you don't want to, you know what? Don't work there.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Jesse, what's the constitutional violation here? I failed to say, well, thank God.

[Sebastian Gorka]

I'm not a lawyer. And if I was, I still wouldn't know the answer. Kellyanne. But life sends you signals, and you have to know how to read them. For instance, after college, I was a bellhop and I had a really cool outfit. It was gray and it was black, and I had a nice hat. And that was in the winter.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You're a top hat?

[Sebastian Gorka]

Yep. And then spring season rolls around and my boss says, you guys all have to wear these safari outfits with the little hats, and it's like all camel colored. And I took that as a sign that I'm not gonna be a bellhop anymore. And I got out of that job and took another job and then got fired from that job.

[Kellyanne Conway]

One more thing is up next.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'll be with you when the deal.

[Dana Perino]

Goes down.

[Sebastian Gorka]

Big time.

[Dana Perino]

Time now for one more thing. You know, teenagers get a driver's license and then this could happen. A teenage driver narrowly avoided a plunge into the Long Island Sound. Check that out. While trying to leave a Marina, the 17 year old actually accidentally hit the gas, sending her over the guardrails and onto the dock below. Miraculously, the car managed to stick the landing, but was left sitting dangerously close to the edge. Anyway. Yes, Greg, I knew I could feel it. Harold.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The Cincinnati Reds honored baseball icon Pete Rose on Wednesday after he was reinstated by Commissioner MLB Commissioner Rob Manford. Family, fans and players gathered to celebrate his remarkable career and celebrate what many consider to be long overdue justice. Remember, he was banned from baseball for gambling on the Sport in the 80s. But the commissioner's decision underscores the public's perception of his legacy. I think he should get in the hall. If we can lift sanctions on Syria, do a deal with Iran, and even talk to the Soviet Union, Pete Rose, what he did for baseball, he deserves to be in the hall.

[Dana Perino]

Fair enough, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Thanks, Trump. All right, tonight we got a great show. Joe DeVito, Katie Pavlich, Emily Campagno, Tyrus. That's tonight at 10. Let's do this. Yeah, baby. When I want to see fashion, I go to the Metro Richmond Zoo because that's where the metrosexuals hang out. Check out this, this model. His Name's Patrick. He's 34. He's an orangutan. They gave him a cloak for his birthday and he wrapped it around himself, but he tied it in a perfect knot. Even Hillary Clinton was like, wow, you tie a good knot. Can you meet me at a local prison? I need to hang somebody. But anyway, I'm done. Oh, boy.

[Sebastian Gorka]

We had a great day at Borland Farms this morning. It was the Flurry 6th Invitational. It was action packed. There we have Kevin, Hans Schmitty and winners and myself. And then guy, he put the thing on. Awesome time. We were eighth place in the morning. So very, very competitive. 250 guys were there. A lot of money was donated to the local healthcare organization. So thank you guys very much.

[Dana Perino]

All right, and Kellyanne, you got it.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Every teenager knows when disaster strikes. Mom is on the job just five minutes before prom. Photos, Georgia teen's dress. Whip she took dental floss, bobby pins, cuticle scissors. And you.

[Dana Perino]

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[Kellyanne Conway]

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