The Five 05-19-2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five – May 19, 2026

Main Theme / Purpose
This episode of The Five tackles the latest political controversies and headlines, with a heavy focus on questions of fraud, media bias, political hypocrisy, public morality, and social trends. The panel – Emily Compagno, Jesse Watters, Dana Perino, Harold Ford Jr., and Greg Gutfeld – debate the Trump administration’s response to fraud, the media’s framing of political questions, Michelle Obama’s comments on Trump voters, the cultural rot evidenced by recent crime fandom, and national issues like political age and diminishing neighborliness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump, Fraud, and the Press Briefing Room

• (00:29–04:20) President Trump is making headlines with his fraud crackdown while VP J.D. Vance takes on the media’s bias during a press briefing. The panel criticizes performative questions from reporters, comparing them to “TED Talks” rather than journalism.
• Dana Perino reminisces on the evolution of the press briefing room post-camera introduction, observing that many questions now serve the TV audience more than actual inquiry (03:01):

  “As soon as you brought cameras in... now it’s a performance... how would they make sure that they're going to be the first in line to get one of those very narrow slots?”

• J.D. Vance is praised for making anti-fraud efforts a signature initiative, unlike previous political assignments that were pushed to the background.

2. Stock Trading Allegations: Trump vs. Pelosi

• (04:25–06:39) Jesse Watters rebuffs the claim that Trump’s stock trades are suspicious, arguing they align with “herd” behavior and lack the sophisticated, lucrative trades attributed to Nancy Pelosi’s husband:

  “If you want to compare that to Nancy Pelosi who came into office with no money and then all of a sudden she earned $300 million. Well, how did she do that? Because Paulie P. is her investment manager… Trump is not an investment manager.” (05:15)

• The panel draws a double standard between scrutiny given to Democrats’ financial dealings versus Trump’s.

3. The Inflation Reduction Act Deemed ‘Fraud’

• (06:42–09:34) Greg Gutfeld and panelists argue that the Inflation Reduction Act was a “double deception,” collecting money for climate investments under the guise of fighting inflation – which, they assert, actually fueled inflation.

  “It pretended to be about inflation. A lie. Number two, it pretended to do something about a major problem. It wasn't a major problem at all... It created the problem it claimed it was solving.” (08:16)

• They contrast goods and services made cheaper by lack of government involvement with the spiraling costs of sectors like healthcare and education.

4. Impartiality and Legal Questions Around Trump’s DOJ Settlement

• (09:34–13:09) Harold Ford Jr. suggests holding presidents (Democratic or Republican) to the same standards on stock dealings and legal settlements:

  “If we're going to criticize Ms. Pelosi… we have to be critical and be consistent here.” (10:20)

• Emily Compagno offers a legal explanation for why Trump sued the DOJ over tax return leaks, highlighting the awkward legal situation of the president being both plaintiff and defendant (12:15).

5. Michelle Obama’s Take on Trump Voters

• (13:29–18:45) The panel responds to Michelle Obama’s comments that you “can’t just pigeonhole [Trump supporters] and say you just don’t care and you’re racist,” with mixed reactions:
  • Dana Perino sees value but also “condescension” in Obama’s implication that Trump voters vote “against their own interests.” (15:10)
  • Emily Compagno rejects the anger narrative, pointing to voters choosing Trump out of conviction, not resentment (17:21):

    “Her whole narrative was framed around that everyone was angry, that she knows better than them, and that there was no other option, rather than the agency of every voter...”

  • Mark Cuban’s apparent policy collaboration with Trump is discussed as a rare example of bipartisan agreement.

6. Fandom for Alleged Assassin Luigi Mangione

• (22:07–30:02) Outrage over young female fans of Luigi Mangione, the accused UnitedHealthcare CEO’s assassin, takes center stage.
  • The panel condemns the granting of press passes to these women and theorizes about the psychological drivers of such “bloodlust” (26:14–27:26).
  • Greg Gutfeld calls such fandom a form of “hate bait,” a way of seeking attention through transgressive behavior (24:48):

    “It’s a type of attention-starved female who sees the spotlight they get by expressing pure hatred…”

  • Emily Compagno refers to the killer as a “detestable coward” and expresses disgust with those celebrating violence (28:10).

7. Comparing Trump and Biden’s Mental Fitness

• (31:15–36:21) Media concern over Trump’s mental health is ridiculed by the panel, who assert there was far more media protection for “Sleepy Joe” Biden.
  • Jesse Watters lists Biden’s public mistakes and health issues (32:20):

    “Has Trump fallen three times? Does he cough uncontrollably… does he have cancer?”

  • Dana Perino looks forward to Dr. Jill Biden’s perspective in her upcoming book.
  • They agree the real presidential grading should be on policy effectiveness rather than age.

8. The Decline of Neighborliness

• (36:47–38:46) The episode closes on a lighter note discussing the reported drop in Americans socializing with neighbors.
  • Dana Perino shares that city life seems less neighborly, but suburban and vacation neighbor relations persist.
  • Greg Gutfeld jokes about avoiding neighbors even in emergencies, while Jesse Watters brags about great estate sale finds.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

On Media Performance in Briefings:
Dana Perino – “As soon as you brought cameras in… now it’s a performance… how would they make sure that they're going to be the first in line to get one of those very narrow slots?” (03:01)

On Financial Allegations:
Jesse Watters – “If you want to compare that to Nancy Pelosi… Where are the Democrats to say, hey, this is amazing?” (05:15)

On Policy Deception:
Greg Gutfeld – “So not only did it lie to the American people about the problem it was solving, it created the problem it claimed it was solving.” (08:16)

On Violence Fandom:
Greg Gutfeld – “It's what they all have in common—they find their voice in your fear… I call it hate bait.” (24:48)

On Michelle Obama’s Critique:
Emily Compagno – “Her whole narrative was framed around that everyone was angry, that she knows better than them…” (17:21)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:29 – Trump, Vance, and the manipulation of media narratives
• 03:01 – Dana's insight on briefing room performativity
• 05:15 – Watters details double standards on trading
• 08:16 – Gutfeld denounces the Inflation Reduction Act as fraudulent
• 10:20 – Ford’s call for nonpartisan accountability on scandals
• 12:15 – Compagno explains Trump’s DOJ legal settlement
• 13:29 – Discussion of Michelle Obama’s comments on Trump voters
• 15:10 – Dana unpacks “voting against their own interests”
• 17:21 – Compagno highlights voter agency and the appeal of Trump
• 22:07 – Panel outrage over “Luigi fangirls” and cultural rot
• 24:48 – Gutfeld: “This is hate bait.”
• 31:15 – Comparison of Trump and Biden’s public aging and scrutiny
• 36:47 – Report on declining neighborly interaction
• 38:40 – Watters boasts about estate sale wine

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Tone & Language

The discussion is lively, combative, and sarcastic, staying true to the panel’s signature banter and pointed wit. They show little patience for political hypocrisy, delight in pop culture analogies, and repeatedly mock performative or “woke” elements in politics and media. The language remains frank, with some hyperbole for comedic effect.

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Conclusion

This episode of The Five traversed from serious allegations of political fraud to the darker side of media and social culture, all wrapped in the show’s signature debate and jest. The hosts spotlighted perceived double standards, the ongoing war over political narratives, and cultural trends that, they argue, spell trouble for American society—even as they occasionally find reason for bipartisan hope and humor in everyday life.

Transcript

[Greg Gutfeld]

Again,

[Emily Compagno]

Hello, everyone. I'm Emily Compagno along with Harold Ford Jr. Jesse Waters, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City, and this is the five.

[Jesse Waters]

You have the Democrats. I call them the Democrats.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The Democrats, they're dumb.

[Jesse Waters]

It's a new name. It's a very accurate name.

[Emily Compagno]

President Trump hammering Democrats with his favorite new nickname, the Democrats, while holding an impromptu news conference outside his massive ballroom construction site. This as his number two. Vice President J.D. vance, taking his war on fraud to the briefing room and absolutely steamrolling a reporter who turned a minute and a half question into a TED Talk about Trump trading stocks.

[Jesse Waters]

That was a doozy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Before I answer your question, I want to just observe. There are different ways to ask a question. Okay. You can just ask a question, try to get your answer, or you could

[Jesse Waters]

do, like, a speech where you say,

[Greg Gutfeld]

you know, Mr. Vice President, you know,

[Jesse Waters]

you're a terrible human being, and so is the President, so is the entire Cabinet.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And then I'm like, what's your question? And then your question is, how dare you?

[Jesse Waters]

Come on, man.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Have a little bit of objectivity in the way that you ask these questions.

[Jesse Waters]

Because there were a lot of things

[Greg Gutfeld]

in that speech masquerading as a question that didn't actually get asked.

[Emily Compagno]

And while Republicans fight fraud, Democrats are still fighting Trump. Gavin Newsom is trying to grease up his 2028 prospects by heading to D.C. today for what Kamala would surely call a no bad ideas summit.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Trump's not screwing around, and nor can we. Yeah, it's uncomfortable fighting fire with fire. Yes, we all want the better angels. Yes, we want the Sorkin sound and music, a little West Wing. I do.

[Jesse Waters]

But we'll lose our country.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We will lose our country. You saw today, what is the President United States spending all his time on? He had a big press conference about the new design for the ballroom. Do not allow this to be normalized. It's a corruption story. That's the Trump administration, period. Full stop

[Emily Compagno]

there, Dana.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah.

[Emily Compagno]

All right. Do you want to comment on the briefing room?

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, I think. Yeah. So when JD Van said, there's a way to ask a question, you don't have to give a speech. Or it's like you stand up, say, I have a cat. It's like, okay, well, what's your question? But some of the reporters in the room obviously laughed. And one of the reasons is because if you're a regular at the briefing room, it's annoying when somebody stands up and gives a speech and the other thing is, it reminds me of what Mike McCurry, who is Bill Clinton's press secretary, he was the first to allow cameras in the briefing room. Now, that might have been an inevitable situation because now cameras are everywhere. They're even in Greg's pocket, filming him going down the street. And he didn't even realize. So what happened as soon as you brought cameras in is that now it's a performance. And it's not just a performance at the press secretary position, but in the briefing room as well. And you could usually tell what was going to be one of the first questions from the networks, because if you watch the networks, you can pay attention to what they're looking for. And how is that White House reporter going to make the news that night? How would they make sure that they're going to be the first in line to get one of those very narrow slots? And usually it was because they were doing some sort of performance. So that is one way to do it. If I could mention one thing on the fraud piece, I love that they are figuring out a way to get this out front and center. It's not something that was like, here's an assignment. And then Also you have 25,000 other things that you're doing, and it'll just be one of the many things. So he has figured out a way to say, okay, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to fully do it. It's sort of like when Kamala Harris got the assignment to go to the border or to handle the border. The borders are. And then she basically tried to push it to the back burner. That is not what J.D. vance, excuse me, is doing. And people do get very angry about their tax dollars being wasted. And they're able to show in the communications that they're doing exactly what they're trying to do to try to make it better so that taxpayers feel better about the money that they're spending. And also, if you care about the people that it's supposed to help, you should want more of this.

[Emily Compagno]

Yeah, I feel extra pressure to have my questions be short. Jesse, weigh in.

[Jesse Waters]

I want to talk about the allegation that Trump's trading stocks illegally.

[Emily Compagno]

Okay.

[Jesse Waters]

So you can see what he bought and when he bought it. It's all right here. There's nothing wrong with what he did. So they say he bought oil. Okay. He bought oil after the ceasefire, when oil had gone down. Now, if there was something nefarious, he would have bought oil before the war and then sold it at Its high and dumped it. He didn't do that. Everybody got into oil then and then they say, oh, he bought gold T bills and cash. Okay? That's what everybody did during the war. It's a hedge. It's a safe haven. If you're going to accuse him of doing anything wrong, he actually lost money. Some of these investments, I'm sure he's not proud of it. Some of these, the T bills lost money. The gold ETF is actually down. Emerging markets, everybody's in emerging markets. It's nothing suspicious at all. So if you want to compare that to Nancy Pelosi who came into office with no money and then all of a sudden she earned $300 million. Well, how did she do that? Because Paulie P. Is her investment manager. Trump is not an investment manager. Pauly P. Founded an investment firm in San Francisco which has made an absolute fortune in perfectly timed trades involving the tech sector making call options. That's a very sophisticated trade. There's nothing in there like that. This is what anybody that has a diversified portfolio does with their money. It's basically the herd. Not. Paulie P. Polyp is buying call options or put options on large technology companies that are involved with government contracts and government legislation. Nancy sleeps with them. You can't prove she talks to him before bed because how would you do that? You wouldn't even want to. But that's the beauty of it. It's like Beauty and the Beast. Paul's the beast.

[Emily Compagno]

Okay, Greg, would you like to comment on Beauty and the Beast?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Never saw it. Don't have any interest in that crap.

[Dana Perino]

You will.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah. You know, okay, so we're talking about fraud and there's so much of it, it's hard to keep up. But we might be overlooking the biggest fraud against the American public in history. And we kind of like it got lost. And it's the Inflation Reduction Act. And I'll get to the reason why, but you just found out the other day that the UN rescinded all dire predictions regarding climate predictions after trillions were taken from taxpayers to based on these corrupt forecasts that we were talking about here on the five. Say this is bs. This isn't true. It can't be true. So all of these green policies and international aid and subsidies, they were all paid for. Everybody got rich off this. And it was from the taxpayers. It was called the inflation Reduction Act. $400 billion in climate provisions that were dressed up as an inflation remedy. A double A double deception. It pretended to be about inflation. A lie. Number two it pretended to do something about a major problem. It wasn't a major problem at all. So what did you end up with? Higher inflation because you printed more money, which is what we were saying is going to happen. So not only did it lie to the American people about the problem it was solving, it created the problem it claimed it was solving. Think about that. When they start complaining about gas prices here, gas prices, we at least we know where the gas prices are coming from and we know what the inflation rate really is and why it's there. You want fraud? Let's also talk about government meddling, right? If you look at the goods and the services over the last 25 years, what's gotten more expensive? What's gotten cheaper? TV, software, cell phone services, clothing, These are all cheaper. Isn't that strange? Especially when hospital services, college tour tuition, housing, childcare, nursing fees have all gotten more expensive. What's the difference? Government meddling? The more people you invite to oversee something, the more rent seeking grift you're going to get. And that's what happened in all those things. You talk about health care being untenable. When did that happen? When did that happen? And you want to make universal health care? You're nuts. The amount of fraud is so vast and we only know about it because of Doge and some kid named Nick Shirley who did the job the journalists felt was beneath him. Every journalist should be ashamed whenever they hear the name Nick Shirley. Because you were too busy chasing grannies in red hats and calling out people for misgendering some green haired weasel. But meanwhile Doge and Nick Shirley and the Chris Ruffo's of the world, they turned over the rock. The rock that you never wanted to.

[Emily Compagno]

Oh, Harold.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So it's good to be with everybody. It's good to be with everybody. I have a different opinion today. I think that ask our viewers and ask everybody around the table, put aside that this is President Trump in office today and say it's a Democrat in office and you learn that a Democrat talk to the CEO of Micron, advised him on some things and went and bought shares of his stock. You learned that that Democrat president talked to the CEO of Intel and said we're going to make an investment, the United States will. And then he went and bought the stock. I just think it's all wrong. Now to the point about fraud. I applaud the Vice President. I hope he not only finds all of it. I said from the outset, when the Minnesota matter was first introduced here on this show, the chips, wherever the chips fall. Let the chips fall where they may. And those who have had their hands in the jar the wrong way should be prosecuted. And if convicted, they should go to jail. But it doesn't seem right to me on this day when you put this up. If we're going to criticize Ms. Pelosi, and she probably deserves some criticism, we have to be critical and be consistent here. Finally, it's been reported since we've been on the show maybe an hour ago that the President worked out a deal with the DOJ that would allow his family to not have any matters that involve the IRS that they may have had some malfeasance with or not over the many years that those matters would not be pursued by the irs. Now there are a lot of Americans who are being investigated right now by the IRS who think that they're right and that the IRS is wrong. The President has every right to believe, believe that he's right and that they're wrong. But to have this be a part of a settlement. The President sued the Department of Justice. So essentially he became the plaintiff and the defendant because it's his Justice Department. Then the Justice Department that reports to him worked out a deal with him to do this. If this were a Democrat, I'd be the first on the show saying something is very wrong here and someone ought to investigate this. The President's my friend and don't get me wrong, he remains my friend, but if he were a Democrat, I think we'd have a different, a little different tone around the table about him and about the things that have been going on.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That's unfair.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Tell me why.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Cuz you're assuming that we.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, you did it with Pelosi. You did it with.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't care about Pelosi. I actually don't care about any of this stuff. I compare about the fraud that's being acted upon the American public. That so nobody. You could be right, but I think

[Greg Gutfeld]

you're wrong about the fraud. I want that to be pursued. But in the same breath, Greg, if this were public officials, we can't say members of Congress shouldn't be trading, but the President can. We can't say that members of Congress can't gain information on public information. But the President. That's the only point I'm making. At some point it's going to be someone in office that you don't support. And I just hope, actually, I hope you change your mind on this issue because this is a bad thing for the country. I think if we first allowed this.

[Emily Compagno]

Can I shed a bit of legal light on the DOJ situation, though? Thanks to Kerry Arban. From here, the issue was that the president, his tax returns were released, and that is a felony. That is a crime. And it has taken this amount of years for the IRS to identify who it was. And that's why the Trump family sued. So the settlement is because of the conundrum that you outlined, which is realizing the plaintiff is indeed in control of the defendant.

[Greg Gutfeld]

A court would throw that out immediately.

[Emily Compagno]

But that's why the settlement occurred, because there was, it was sort of a legal, again, conundrum that was a novel. That hadn't been the only leopard, but they needed a resolution.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The only leverage he had over them is that he could fire them. That no court would entertain this because you can't be the plaintiff and the defendant. I don't want to turn it. No, they did. They did it because Blanche works for him. And I like this. We ought to be, let's be on the level here. If we're going to be on the level, be on the level.

[Emily Compagno]

All right.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Coming up next, Emily, rocked your world just now.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Good to be the plaintiff and the defendant.

[Emily Compagno]

You guys won't believe what Michelle Obama just said about Trump supporters.

[Dana Perino]

That's next.

[Jesse Waters]

Michelle Obama's making waves and it's not because she embarrassed Barack. Again, the former first lady giving a surprising take on Trump supporters.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I can't look some people in the face and tell them, you have no right to be angry or to do something that maybe is against your own interest. You can't just pigeonhole them and say you just don't care and you're racist

[Harold Ford Jr.]

or whatever you're thinking.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is an act of. I don't know what else to do. It's not me anymore.

[Dana Perino]

But I know those folks and they're good people and they don't have a way out.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And that makes for bad choices.

[Jesse Waters]

And Mark Cuban's finally getting it. The billionaire former Kamala backer standing shoulder to shoulder with the president to promote the Trump rx program. But 47 couldn't resist reminding him about his big 2024 mistake.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's pretty remarkable seeing you and Mark

[Dana Perino]

Cuban up there and the fact that

[Greg Gutfeld]

obviously Mark endorsed Kamala Harris back in 2024.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, he made a mistake.

[Jesse Waters]

It was a big mistake.

[Dana Perino]

Do you regret supporting former vice president?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm not going into my politics at all.

[Jesse Waters]

All right. So, Michelle, Dana.

[Dana Perino]

Well, so this is not necessarily an entirely new take for her. She, remember, is the one who said, when go high now, she revised her remarks a little bit later on, but generally she has not. She's not the one who said deplorables. Right, right. They were constantly cleaning up other people's situation or things that they said. And Barack Obama also, they've had similar takes on this. So I think that they understand it. She said something there that makes me think. I say this, too, and it's okay when she said, you can't blame them for being angry, even if they vote for a way that is against their own interests. Okay. That's a condescending way to say that we know better than you do in terms of what is better for you. And I bristle. Right. But then I think, well, I think I kind of do that, too, because when I think about the disaster of especially inner city school education, and you wonder, why won't they vote these people out? Why don't they go after the teachers unions? It's not in their interest to keep doing it. And there is maybe room to sort of meet in the middle here. I do believe that the conservative position on school choice is winning the idea argument and the policy argument, because in President Bush's, excuse me, Trump's big, beautiful bill, I think it was in the big, beautiful bill, the money for school choice. So then the states were given an option. Do you want to take the money or do you not want to take the money? And so far, I think it's pretty interesting who has taken it, including Governor Polis of Colorado, because school choice is a huge issue there. And also just last week, Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York. So you can win on ideas and show people that I believe our position is better for your interests and try to be persuasive that way. So just something I'm thinking about.

[Jesse Waters]

Are you thinking about that, Harold? You're doing a lot of nodding.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, no, I agree. Look, I give Michelle Obama a lot of credit here. This is the notion of just being critical of people and looking down on people. And I understand what VP Was saying about maybe some of the wording, but I think she's giving a message to Democrats that just because President Trump's numbers, or Republicans numbers may not be as rosy as they would like, if you look at our numbers, they're not great. People don't. Not necessarily saying they want Democrats to be in charge, you can't. You can't criticize the voters. You can't criticize Trump only without offering some ideas. And whether it's school choice, whether it's figuring out ways to invigorate and rekindle small business growth across the country, trying to figure out ways in which to lower health care costs. These are the things that people want most of us. I give her a lot of credit.

[Jesse Waters]

What about you, Emily?

[Emily Compagno]

I give her a C minus because to me, her whole narrative was framed around that everyone was angry, that she knows better than them, and that there was no other option, rather than the agency of every voter to say, I choose this man because he represents my values. And remember the exit polling where overwhelmingly 80 plus percent of Polaris came out saying he fights for someone like me. So it wasn't I'm angry and I want something different, which is how she framed it. I think it was more thoughtful and resonating than that, where people said, I choose finally someone who has stepped onto the stage that I actually believe in. Whereas in many places where the choices before you are a buffet of socialism or a buffet of incompetence like I've been subjected to in California my whole life. And on the Mark Cuban thing, I think this is what really irritates me so much. And I think it's a reflection of the mainstream media and social media now, the concept that the questions would be, does this mean that you've somehow shifted alliance and allegiances, that there's no room for simply a shared incentive and a shared value? This is what we've been asking for this entire time for this country, that people see America first and that they see a win for Trump lowering prescription drug prices. Where are the Democrats to say, hey, this is amazing. Thank you so much. I support this plan. Hey, I don't support the president in these policies, but I support this one, which you do.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, Mark Cuban is there. He's clearly correct.

[Emily Compagno]

That's what I'm saying. Versus the reporter that framed it as. Does this mean you have completely rejected. My whole point is that Mark Cuban is illustrating what it means to value that shared incentive and either keeping politics out of it or saying, oh, I'm still voting for someone else. But here is where he and I agree and here is where I applaud this because it benefits all Americans. We have only seen up until now, people cutting off their nose to spite their face because they will do anything against a Trump win, even if it means letting the American people down.

[Jesse Waters]

Let's turn it over to the buffet of sarcasm, Greg.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Godzilla, this podcast that goes down True crime.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't know.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I mean, who's she being interviewed by?

[Emily Compagno]

Man, that is suck Easy Sam San Fro Grusso.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Okay, that is a big mic. Does he need a mic that big? Like, look at that thing. It's a big mic. The question is, I'm glad, okay. I'm glad that she's saying this. The question is, why now? Is it because she saw that identity politics is a poison, that at short term it provided some kind of empowerment, but long term it dissolves a country? Or is it more honestly realizing that it doesn't work, that people are no longer scared of being called racist because they disagree with you? It doesn't work anymore. I think she's admitting the truth without admitting her contribution to it. I feel that a braver person would have stood up 10 years ago and said this stuff, but this stuff was her brand. You can't run a steakhouse and then declare you're gonna be a vegan. I applaud Cuban for this, and I tell you why. Because he took the same path I did, which was he spent a lot of time indulging his own personal emotions about Trump. We had back and forths together, and it was. He just could not separate his feelings from Trump's deeds until he did. And once he was able to pull that apart, he suddenly stepped out of the TDS world. I don't think he had hardcore tds, but he just couldn't get out of his own way. And I think when you're angry all the time, and this is for a lot of people out there, if you're angry all the time, you've got to question the emphasis, information that you're taking in. Why are you angry all the time? You know, there are people living in worse times where there was plagues and poverty and war and they were happier than you. So there's something about what you're taking in. And last thing I'll point out again, this. This completely deflates the idea that Trump holds grudges. It's like boom Mondame.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He meets with Mandami right away. He had Karen Bass there. I give the president great credit. And you also have to know Mark Cuban has a company that is in space also.

[Dana Perino]

But that's why the Democrats should go in and say, Mr. President, can we work with you on streamers? And name three things and he'll work with them.

[Greg Gutfeld]

If you get the meeting, I'll go with you. Still, you said you're.

[Dana Perino]

I know people are talking about that meeting.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Harold, there's a meeting.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You're going to a meeting. I hope Dana's going to set it up. I know.

[Dana Perino]

I see it.

[Jesse Waters]

Sure. Dana. Coming up next Bloodthirsty Luigi fangirls are dancing on the grave of a murdered CEO.

[Dana Perino]

So this next story is as sickening as it gets. 3 Fans of accused assassin Luigi Manjone openly celebrating the cold blooded murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. He was a father of three. And in a shocking display outside the courthouse, you saw this was a baffling move. City hall media officials actually rewarded the trio with official press patches.

[Emily Compagno]

Watch Brian Thompson.

[Dana Perino]

I don't give a client his children

[Emily Compagno]

are better off without him. They need to learn to not be like their dad and enjoy the blood money.

[Dana Perino]

Kids.

[Emily Compagno]

He's without stall for more death than Obama bin La. And I remember Americans celebrating when Osama Bin Laden was killed.

[Dana Perino]

It's not like we don't understand heroic

[Emily Compagno]

violence or like when violence is good.

[Dana Perino]

There's like.

[Emily Compagno]

That's like as Americans as American guys.

[Dana Perino]

Mayor Zora Mamdani flat out saying that the three women should not have received press passes and that his administration is reviewing the process and standards for credentialing. That seems like at least the first step.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It is funny. What a challenge for Luigi's defense because they're claiming he's not guilty but his fan base supports him because he is. I used to think there'd be nothing worse if you're like than having a child addicted to drugs. This is worse because there's no recovery for this. Being the parents of that. You know, you've heard of jail bait. This is hate bait. A type of attention starved female who sees the spotlight they get by expressing pure hatred. You see this in the pro Hamas protest. You saw it with the Maoist revolutions. You saw it with the Weather Underground. Especially the Manson family. They're not as good looking as the women in the Manson family, but that's. It's a. It's what they all have in common is they find their voice in your fear by your. That's why I call it hate bait. They get off on your disgust. It's kind of like male trannies who go in and offend women because they get off on it. So my feeling is how does this happen? I think that there is such a thing as possession. You know, evil can offer you a path outside the known world because it somehow will make you impervious to the challenges and the sins and all the stuff and the connections that, that you feel in the real world. I think this happens to mass shooters and other people involved in like spectacle crimes. It's a defiance of the good. I mean if you think God can enter your Life. Clearly, Satan can. They're possessed.

[Dana Perino]

Harold, what do you think about the mayor's office giving these passes in the first place?

[Greg Gutfeld]

First of all, I don't know how these young ladies got that. I'm glad that the mayor's office is going to review that. Review that process. I don't disagree with anything that Greg said. I think this is another manifestation of the rotation in our culture. And I just. As a father, I cannot. My daughter's 12. I don't know. To your point, Greg, about someone being addicted to this or that, this would just. This would destroy me. It would devastate me to say, what have I done to produce something like this in a society? I mean, the fact that no one grabbed them, saying, are you guys nuts? What is wrong with you? Celebrating the murder of a man who did nothing but had run a company that you thought may have been overcharging people? You think that's the punishment, that the reaction should be killing him? Of course not. The thing about it, Dana, we covered the story at the beginning of the week of yesterday. The police officers at the San Diego mosque who ran. Who ran into the fire, so. Ran into the gunshots, ran towards the gunfire. So when you think about this bat and this rot, you balance it out with the decency and the compassion that still exists inside. And we got to figure out how we multiply that more than this evil. We heard from these young ladies here, bless their hearts, they need a lot of it.

[Dana Perino]

Jesse. These people, they're very comfortable with violence, and the end justifies the means.

[Jesse Waters]

There's bloodlust. It's been documented in the polls that Jessica never seems to read. And they're sadistic. A lot of this is women based. There's a lot of anger among the women. I don't know whether it's a disillusionment over feminism, daddy issues. We haven't really quite put our fingers on it, but they project all of their issues onto a guy, and then they yearn for his destruction. So when Luigi whacks the CEO, it's hot, because vigilantism is romanticized, and they've never seen a guy with that kind of conviction to kill. A lot of men don't have that type of conviction. It's the bad boy, the sexual attraction. And many women in America, they feel a tremendous amount of guilt because, you know, a lot of people tell them, don't get married. They feel maybe guilty about not taking care of themselves, not taking enough care of their children. And there's a lot of pressure on the modern woman, to be a man, to have a big career, and to be a killer and to fight, fight, fight.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You sound like the plaintiff and the defendant here.

[Jesse Waters]

And a lot of that is very confusing to women. And some of it manife itself in very absurd ways. And I think you're seeing that right here.

[Dana Perino]

Okay, Emily. Let the record show I did offer my hand. I think Greg hit on something that I wanted to point out yesterday as well, and that is that.

[Emily Compagno]

Wait.

[Dana Perino]

So I asked the lawyers, are they offering an alibi? Are they saying he's innocent? Are they? What does he want? Does he want to be found not guilty? Does he want a jury to say, you are justified? Because that's not the question on the table. The jury's not going to come back and say, you know what? Yeah, guilty as charged, but justified, therefore you get out. That's not how this works.

[Emily Compagno]

Yeah, There's a very special breed and a very detestable breed of coward that Luigi Mangione is. Tyler Robinson is the guy from Idaho. I just mentioned that they levy out death to others and they judge others with death. And then they are such cowards to face it, and they will do anything. Oh, take the death penalty off the table. He is such a coward. I do not know what masculine iota these hocus pocus freaks see in him. I see him as anything, but I see him as an absolute. I can't say it on tv, but he doesn't. You know, he doesn't. He lacks all the genitalia that a male does because it takes a coward to shoot someone in the back. And them calling it heroic violence. Violence, to me, indicates they have never seen violence at all up close as they live in this comfortable society where they enjoy press passes. People who support this, who are numb to this, who say, enjoy the blood money to the wife, have never encountered grief in person, have never encountered death in person. There is no way that these people have any idea what reality is for them to showboat like this. And the dereliction of the mayor's office to give them press passes. I hope and think, though, that they've just learned their lesson and that in this age of independent journalism, perhaps it was a generosity in that moment to try to welcome everyone.

[Dana Perino]

You can check their TikTok.

[Emily Compagno]

Exactly. I wish there was a bigger vetting process and I hope it doesn't happen again. But I did a true crime episode on my true crime podcast. I did an episode on the pathology of women who court and marry serial killers and killers that go to jail. There's a whole pathos associated with it. But I think these women just represent the rot of society and the dopamine that they get from having their faces on TV saying this rotting, vile bile. And I hope not to condemn, but I hope that whoever is watching includes their employers and their family, because we all have to sign morality agreements. What is theirs? What kind of person do you want? Whether it's cleaning your teeth or teaching your children or whatever positions you have, do you want that person in any way having an influence over you or your children? The answer is no. They are wastes of flesh, just like Luigi Mangioni.

[Jesse Waters]

There's a morality clause in our contra.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Yours or mine?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It says Emily. Emily has to say waste of flesh in every segment.

[Emily Compagno]

So good.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Rick said it right. These fans of his are saying he did it right. He's saying he didn't. What he's trying to do is Emily would agree. I think he's trying to get technicalities.

[Dana Perino]

That's exactly right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Some of this evidence.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Which makes him a coward because he's

[Greg Gutfeld]

more of a coward. No, no, I'm saying I'm agreeing with you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Own up to it.

[Dana Perino]

What a hero.

[Emily Compagno]

Yeah. And tax dollars.

[Dana Perino]

Coming up next, Whoopi Goldberg is going scorched earth on Trump's mental fitness.

[Jesse Waters]

Here she comes, here we go.

[Emily Compagno]

Ready or not.

[Jesse Waters]

When she.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I am the song, I'm the end.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The media wants a mulligan. After whiffing on Sleepy Joe's fall into incontinence, the New Atlantic Peace claims DJT is a different kind of fading president. Quote, Trump's age isn't getting the same kind of scrutiny as Joe Biden's did. But as the president neared his 80th birthday, his recent behavior prompted questions about his health, including some from his own party. Whoopee's concerned. Meanwhile, about Trump's dumps.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He did a bizarre dump of AI generated posts targeting Democrats as well as

[Harold Ford Jr.]

a fake image of him walking with

[Dana Perino]

an alien and one where he's firing

[Greg Gutfeld]

missiles at the earth from outer space. You can't convince me there's nothing wrong.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, okay, I'm sorry.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't remember Joe Biden doing any of this.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, that's because he didn't know how to do it, Jesse. They're actually criticizing him for doing something that everybody loves and is part of their lives, which is memes. They can't do memes. You can't do memes from a position of absurdity.

[Jesse Waters]

Has Trump fallen three times? Does he cough uncontrollably into the microphone. Does he have to nap to cancel dinners in France while the rest of the dignitaries sit around when there's an empty chair? Does he have cancer? Did he break his foot? I mean, you go through the list, I can't even believe he was president. Was he president?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, he wasn't.

[Jesse Waters]

Jill was.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah. And the funniest part about this, Dana, is that they still believe they have some kind of credibility left. They participated in the biggest cover up in political history, you guys. Nothing they say matters.

[Dana Perino]

I think they call this projection.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

And it was. Hadn't Biden just gone to China and then spent like 14 days recovering from jet lag before he did that debate with Trump? And that's what ended the whole thing. Remember, it was like 12 or 14 days that he needed to recover because he had jet lag. He might have even also only gone to Europe. So that's a little suspect and a little bizarre. I am looking forward to Dr. Jill Biden answering these questions. Her book comes out in just a couple of weeks and it will be interesting to see what she thinks. I would love to ask her, do you think Trump doesn't have it all there? And then see what she says.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You know, it's funny though, Harold, you can't get a better comparison between Biden and Trump in terms of the treatment of the presidents. It wasn't about age with Biden, it was about function. And I think here, like they're somehow saying like Biden had extra scrutiny. These are the people that covered for him.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Look, I was never one and I differed with someone. His physical acuity, we've learned a lot since he's been out of office and it seems like there were some questions that needed to be answered. But I always thought the acuity issue was really just how effective you were as president. And President Biden didn't have an effective presidency. I think even with President Trump. President Trump gives more press conferences than I've seen in a president in my adult life. He's more accessible. He calls reporters as opposed to reporters calling him. So he has a different kind of physicality to his presidency than Joe Biden did. I think ultimately presidents are judged on the effectiveness of their policies. And we'll see here over the, we'll get a report card here come November about how people think about the president's acuity on issues. And that's the key. Now, I don't this is not to run away from it. We've learned so much about President Biden since he left office, about things that people may have been covering for him. And they're going to have to answer those questions. But ultimately the presidency is graded on how effective you are with policy. President Biden was not, unfortunately, as much as he wanted to be. And it might be because he was not all there at times. And President Trump is going to get a feel for it here come November.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

He wasn't present. Emily Pin. Yes, I think, I think they're counting on, they think that we're all idiots with a short attention span or, or they think that their supporters are all low iq, that we don't remember what they did, that they covered for this. We don't. I mean, do they not remember that

[Emily Compagno]

we do well, and they also had a mea culpa at the end that coincided with a book release, of course, where they owned up to the fact that, I'm sorry, we had a crypt keeper for four years and they kept calling it a stutter. I have zero patience for anyone saying in any way that this president is like the past one. And when you talk about efficacy and issuance and acuity, this president has issued more executive orders than any in history already one year into his presidency, rivaling just out of FDR in the first year and now way more than Biden did in four years. And they have the nonsense to say he's fading away slowly. And shame on these publications that continue wasting our time and the paper space of publishing these op eds because you're always going to have people from the far left or the just the bat belfry corners that say ridiculous things. My issue is these publications that continue giving credence to them or continue giving credence to the view oxygen to that so they can make these ridiculous points because the rest of the country is talking about the million policies that Trump issues per day that no one else can keep up with.

[Greg Gutfeld]

If President Trump falls up the stairs, I think it'd be a, this is a story. But he hadn't fallen up the stairs like president.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

If he did, it would be a magnificent fall.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Beautiful.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The greatest fall you ever.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Beautiful fall.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

All right, up next, nobody cares about their neighbors anymore.

[Dana Perino]

Something good.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Welcome back. A new report claims nobody is socializing with their neighbors any longer. Only 25% of Americans regularly talk or spend time with the folks next door. That's down sharply from over 50% in 2012. And many are blaming the phones. DP your thought about this?

[Dana Perino]

Well, I think so. I'm very fortunate to live in the same apartment building as Kennedy. And in that scenario, you are you get invited to a lot of great parties and gatherings. And so I feel social with her. I don't know a lot of my other neighbors, though. I don't. That's true. But on the weekends when we're down at the Jersey shore, I feel like I do get out and about. And maybe that's because we're not working as much.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Greg, what are your thoughts about this? I know you are the head of the neighbor, your neighborhood association.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Here's the deal. I think what's amazing is you often don't know your neighbors until you're in trouble. And I think that's like, for example, one of my neighbors, he was out on the street. I was by the window and he was having a heart attack. And I turned out my lights and I hid. I probably should have called 911, but I was watching. I was watching Yellowstone and it was right in that part where they're burying the guys. And it's like I didn't want to interrupt it. Anyway, so we were able to get a good deal on that apartment because,

[Greg Gutfeld]

well, anyway, Emily, your thoughts about this?

[Emily Compagno]

I love my next door neighbors here, Erica and Chris. I love them so much. They're amazing. On the other side, totally annoying, but we know each other and it's great. And then I agree with you in suburbans, like in suburban areas with homes, then of course, you know everyone and everyone's awesome except for the ones who aren't. And everyone hates them and has a barking dog.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, that would be me. What do you think about this prime time?

[Jesse Waters]

Some of my neighbors just passed away, so I went to their estate sale and bought an amazing bottle of wine from their seller.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

How much was that wine?

[Jesse Waters]

I'm not going to say, but we got a great deal.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Why did you get a great deal, Jesse?

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, we got to go to break. We're up against a hard out.

[Greg Gutfeld]

One More Thing. One More Thing is up next.

[Emily Compagno]

It's time now for One More Thing. Greg.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

All right, tonight we got Jim Norton, Lisa Booth, Brian Kilmeade and Tyrus. That's tonight at 10. I will hand off to somebody else.

[Emily Compagno]

Great, Jesse.

[Jesse Waters]

Great. I wish I was ready. I just know mine's about a beaver.

[Emily Compagno]

Dana.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I mean, they have Fever video somewhere.

[Dana Perino]

I'll just plug my podcast, Marina Hunt Politics with Bruce Melman.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Bruce Melman, you say?

[Emily Compagno]

Bruce Melman.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Oh, the Melman family. The Melman family.

[Emily Compagno]

Did you find yours?

[Jesse Waters]

Did you find It Matters?

[Emily Compagno]

Okay, then I'll show mine. You guys check out this amazing video. K9 axle it's incredible. This shows you how amazing these dogs are. Yes. This is about to be a takedown from one boat to another.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Emily Compagno]

This is why canines are fur missiles, and they don't fail. Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

So the.

[Emily Compagno]

The dog just jumped from boat to boat to take down that real.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That's not.

[Dana Perino]

Yes, of course.

[Emily Compagno]

Yes, it is.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Why was the guy putting his hand out?

[Emily Compagno]

I know these handlers.

[Jesse Waters]

He's spraying the dog with mace.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Why is he got to say the real?

[Emily Compagno]

That's it for us, guys. Guess it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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