The Five 05-28-2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five (FOX News Radio) – May 28, 2025

Host and Panelists:

• Jesse Waters
• Rosanna Scotto
• Jessica Guitarlov
• Dana Perino
• Greg Gutfeld

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I. Political Landscape: Democratic Unpopularity and Internal Struggles

The episode kicks off with Jesse Waters addressing the declining favorability of the Democratic Party. Citing recent polls, he notes that Republicans hold a significant 10-point advantage over Democrats in net favorability. This unpopularity is attributed to various factors, including ineffective leadership and disconnect with the electorate.

Jesse Waters (02:05): “The Democrats are typically tagged as tortoises, slugs or sloths. Slow, plodding, passive.”

Dana Perino (02:20): Challenges the characterization, probing how Democrats have earned such negative descriptions.

The conversation delves into the internal divisions within the Democratic Party. Dana Perino highlights the rift between moderates like Rahm Emanuel, who advocates returning to the center to regain voter trust, and progressive figures like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC), whose policies are significantly left-leaning. This split hampers the party's ability to present a unified front.

Dana Perino (03:50): “Two weeks ago, AOC was seen as the person who's the number one choice for Democrats, the most exciting person in the Democratic Party.”

II. Republican Strategies and Policy Critiques

Greg Gutfeld articulates the Republican stance on key issues, emphasizing dissatisfaction with Democratic policies, particularly concerning economic measures and Medicaid. He criticizes the current Democratic reconciliation bill as insufficient, arguing it fails to address the deficit adequately and unfairly benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poor.

Greg Gutfeld (05:18): “They’re trying to give tax cuts to the wealthy and take away food assistance and Medicaid. So we’re hurting the poor to help the rich.”

The panel discusses the potential ramifications of these policies on upcoming elections, expressing skepticism about the Democrats' ability to regain popularity without significant policy shifts.

III. Media Presence: Trump vs. Biden

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the contrasting media strategies of President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden. Greg Gutfeld praises Trump's relentless media engagement, portraying him as a "presidential shock jock" who maintains high visibility and public interest through constant interaction with the press.

Greg Gutfeld (12:31): “Trump 2.0 has done media on 111 days of his 138 days back in office. An 80% hit rate... just about the most accessible president in modern history.”

Conversely, Joe Biden is criticized for being less accessible and more passive, which the panel argues diminishes his effectiveness and public trust.

Dana Perino (13:15): Responds to a mock interview question, highlighting perceived evasiveness in Biden's responses.

IV. Transgender Issues in Sports

A heated segment discusses the controversy surrounding transgender athletes in competitive sports. Rosanna Scotto reports on President Trump's threats to cut federal funding to California after revelations of a biological male competing in a girls' track championship. This has led to California implementing a pilot program to categorize transgender athletes separately.

Rosanna Scotto (22:49): “President Trump scoring a huge win for women's sports while attacking the governor he loves to call news scum.”

The panel debates the fairness and implications of this policy change, focusing on the impact on female athletes and the broader societal debate on gender identity in sports.

Jessica Guitarlov (25:08): Criticizes the ambiguity of the pilot program, advocating for clear policies that prevent biological males from competing in female sports categories.

V. Celebrity Moments and Cultural Commentary

The podcast transitions to cultural topics, including Patti LuPone's controversial remarks about the Kennedy Center and her personal rants against various figures. The panel mocks her actions and the broader trend of celebrities engaging in political discourse.

Dana Perino (33:18): “Patti Luponi is lashing out at President... she wants to blow up the building.”

Additionally, lighter segments cover humorous incidents like pigeons disrupting flights and viral dance moves by Brazilian nuns, showcasing the panel's blend of political and pop culture commentary.

VI. Light-hearted Segments and Closing Remarks

Towards the end, the host and panelists engage in playful banter about upcoming events, humorous takes on viral stories, and personal anecdotes. Greg Gutfeld mentions being sent to observe the erupting Kilauea volcano, adding a whimsical touch to the discussion.

Jesse Waters (40:48): “Kilauea volcano just sending off thousands of feet in the air. Lots of hot lava. That's how you do it, folks.”

The episode concludes with promotions for upcoming segments and a nod to the next broadcast, maintaining the show’s signature blend of serious political analysis and lighthearted entertainment.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Jesse Waters (02:05): “The Democrats are typically tagged as tortoises, slugs or sloths. Slow, plodding, passive.”
• Dana Perino (03:50): “Two weeks ago, AOC was seen as the person who's the number one choice for Democrats, the most exciting person in the Democratic Party.”
• Greg Gutfeld (05:18): “They’re trying to give tax cuts to the wealthy and take away food assistance and Medicaid. So we’re hurting the poor to help the rich.”
• Greg Gutfeld (12:31): “Trump 2.0 has done media on 111 days of his 138 days back in office. An 80% hit rate... just about the most accessible president in modern history.”
• Rosanna Scotto (22:49): “President Trump scoring a huge win for women's sports while attacking the governor he loves to call news scum.”
• Jessica Guitarlov (25:08): “It's confusing... If it's only 10, then tell the 10 people you're not competing well.”
• Jesse Waters (40:48): “Kilauea volcano just sending off thousands of feet in the air. Lots of hot lava. That's how you do it, folks.”

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Conclusion:

This episode of The Five delves deep into the current political tensions, focusing on the struggles within the Democratic Party, Republican critiques of Democratic policies, and the contrasting media strategies of Presidents Trump and Biden. Additionally, it touches upon the contentious issue of transgender athletes in sports and blends in cultural and humorous segments to provide a comprehensive and engaging discussion for its listeners.

Transcript

[Dana Perino]

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[Jessica Guitarlov]

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[Jesse Waters]

Hello everybody. I'm Jesse Waters along with Rosanna Scotto, Jessica Guitarlov, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five Six months after Kamala got steamrolled and banished to Australia for speaking gigs, the Democratic Party just took another smack from the ugly stick of unpopularity. According to the latest poll, Republicans have a 10 point advantage on net favorability. But have no fear, libs. Mayor Pete thinks ditching the all the hoity toity talk will help Democrats win back their spot at the cool kids table. If I hear one more time like a well off liberal doctor or lawyer.

[Dana Perino]

Saying, you know, that quote unquote, these folks are voting against their economic interests.

[Jesse Waters]

I just wonder whether they were contemplated. The fact that somebody could turn around and say so are you.

[Dana Perino]

Really to deal with?

[Jesse Waters]

But Libby, Little Debbie thinks the voters have got it all wrong about the Democrats.

[Dana Perino]

Democrats are typically tagged as tortoises, slugs or sloths. Slow, plodding, passive. And then a little bit later there was a respondee who said the Democrats are like a deer in headlights. How is it that you think that the Democratic Party has earned these descriptions?

[Jessica Guitarlov]

John I'm not focused on the animals that some New York Times reporter compares the political parties to. My constituents are human beings. I'm focused on the humans I represent, not animal comparison.

[Jesse Waters]

And now Politico is proposing a bizarre shadow cabinet of Democrats to challenge the Trump administration, featuring such gems as alleged fraudster Tish James as Attorney General Jon Stewart as VA Secretary Giselle Fetterman. The wife of Big John would be DHS Secretary Bill Nye the Science Guy as EPA head and comedian Nikki Glaser for the Small Business Administration. This is an interesting idea, a shadow cabinet.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Dana I think it's ridiculous. I mean, but they are grasping at straws, okay? And they're circling the drain. There's lots of analogies that we could use for this. I joked with Jessica. I've seen her in a week that I leave and then I come back and it's the same topic. And I think, and when Hammer asked me this morning, how long does this news cycle. Last I said, I think it's for a long time, I don't see anything really getting it off of the front page because one, they're not dealing with it directly and two, there's just so much more. In fact, Fox News Digital just has a piece up today about a lot of the executive orders and how many of them were signed by auto pen. And these were huge, sweeping deals. And we have not testimony, but we have on the record comments from Speaker Johnson. Remember when he went and had a meeting with Biden and he says, why did you sign the executive order to ban lng? And he says, I never did that. I guess you did like, well, it was just a study. Oh, guess what? Well, the study that goes to EPA gets signed off and Biden didn't know anything about it. And he wouldn't have done that if he knew. I mean, that to me is just the tip of the iceberg. So a lot more to come. And also you have the fact that there's a split in the Democratic Democratic Party that's very interesting. You have someone like Rahm Emanuel who is saying we have to go back to the center. That's probably true if they want to win, but that's not where the basis the base is so much to farther to the left. Two weeks ago, AOC was seen as the person who's the number one choice for Democrats, the most exciting person in the Democratic Party. The people that the, the one that people are looking to. Last week she called for ending ice. Right. The policies that she has are much further to the left than someone like Rahm Emanuel wants to go. So they need like a giant etching sketch to shake all around to see if they can get rid of the policy positions they've had since 2016, 15, 16, 17. And I just don't see this ending for quite a while.

[Jesse Waters]

Jessica, some may say this will go on forever.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Are those people our producers?

[Jesse Waters]

That person is me. But when Dana brings up the auto pen, that means it's a legit scandal. It's not a conspiracy theory by this table standards.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. I take Dana the most seriously, for sure. Listen, I feel like we are kind of halfway through the original sin cycle. There are a couple more books to come and every time that one comes out, it's going to be rough. They're going to be details are going to be new names of people who should have said something but didn't say something. And I'll have a bad week. But I'm in it for the long haul and I'M committed to and I'm also committed to the truth, Jesse. And the truth is that the Democrats are very unpopular, but so is a lot of what Donald Trump is doing. So in a polling Marquette, FOX News. All the goodies. He's down 16 on the economy, down 14 on foreign policy, 26 on handling tariffs and 32 on cost of living. And this reconciliation bill that they're trying to pass through the Senate right now has opposition from more senators than they can handle. So you've got the Josh Hawley's of the world who's miraculously concerned about throwing people off Medicaid. Rick Scott and Maria Bartiromo was raking him over the coals this morning about his views. Rand Paul, who has been talking about everything from how unconstitutional it is for Trump to be putting in these tariffs to how we're ballooning the deficit. Ron Johnson, Susan Collins, Jerry Moran are a lot of senators that you've got to get on board. So if this is the big ticket item, right, this is the big marquee agenda piece that we're going to give tax cuts to the wealthy and we're going to take away food assistance and Medicaid. So we're hurting the poor to help the rich. That does not bode well for 2026 for the Republicans or for 2028 when we're going to have a big beautiful primary and we will get a great candidate and everyone will forget about the hoity toity and we shall be victorious.

[Jesse Waters]

Jessica thinks she can sell that agenda. Greg, that trumps this guy that hates the poor and he's just out for Wal.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He's no.

[Dana Perino]

The funny thing is the reason why there's so much opposition to the bill is because it didn't go far enough. This is not about spending. I mean, you're, you're saying this bill is awful because they're going to be cutting, we have to cut, we are heading toward a doom, we're in a doom spiral.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The deficit.

[Dana Perino]

That's, I'm, I'm saying that. But that's not why you're mad about it. You're mad that they might cut something or they might, they might cut taxes and they might cut Medicaid. I'm saying is you should be mad that they're not cutting more in terms of cutting Medicaid. Let's be honest, let's be honest about the Medicaid stuff. This is about able bodied young men and illegal immigrants. So push that aside and talk about the fact that you and I don't like the bill. But I don't like the bill because it's not going to stop the apocalypse. You don't like the bill because you want to press on the gas and go right off the cliff. That's a. Those are two different attitudes. We need. We need to cut the deficit, not raise it. Can I talk about the shadow cabinet, please? Okay, this is. What is this story called? I know. It's not summer.

[Jesse Waters]

It's a clickbait story.

[Dana Perino]

It's a summer clickbait story. Yeah, yeah. No research.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No.

[Dana Perino]

No reporting at all. As for a shadow cabinet, we already had one. It was four years under Biden. It was a cabal. It was responsible for the auto pens in the EOs. They had a shadow cabinet and kept Joe in a real cabinet while Kamala was at the liquor. Cabinet, meanwhile, makes. It raises the question, who signed the pardons? Did Hunter Biden create and sign his own pardon? Because that is balls. But it's also illegal and it has to be stopped. If you look at this celebrity filled cabinet, though, it basically is like a covers band of Trump. It's like, hey, he's on tv, he's famous, he's got a name. Let's do what he does. But it's like trying to create a human by pasting together body parts. It doesn't make it alive. It's still dead. And you're still not doing the hard work, which is you have to change. You have people who judge talking about the language, but they, the Dems are focused on the language because they realize the substance underneath it is what people hate. He talks about condescension. Okay, Is there a condescending way, a non condescending way to deny a border, to deny biology, to deny government corruption, crime, vagrancy, or spending into oblivion? Is there a humble conversational way that you can attract men when you're talking about women with penises or men wanting to play women's sports or cutting up your kids in gender experiments? Is there some kind of non confrontational way that you can do that? Because I'm all ears. My point being is it doesn't matter what language you use. It's the ideas under underneath it. The Dems obsess over language because the ideas are so putrid. A great idea requires fifth grade vocabulary. No, a bad idea. A bad idea requires a teacher's lounge vocabulary. A great idea could be monosyllabic, much like something that Jesse would understand.

[Jesse Waters]

Build the wall.

[Dana Perino]

Well, I guess, yeah, build the wall. Exactly. But if you're going to talk about Boys playing in girls sports. Man, you got to call that teacher's lounge right up and get the right words. The Dems are facing a huge cliff. It's like. It's like when you quit drugs or quit drinking. What is my life going to be like without identity politics, without the oppression filter? How do I look at issues when that thing isn't there? How do I wake up in the morning and not look through this prism? You know you got to do it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I do.

[Dana Perino]

I know.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, we'll just do it a little bit more.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

You just have vodka with breakfast.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Don't tell everyone about my.

[Jesse Waters]

What is in here anyway? Everyone's been asking. I guess it's water. How's Pete's beard doing?

[Rosanna Scotto]

I think Pete, we finally agree on the same things. There's three things that he said. Really? We lost the trust of America right away as soon as the Biden administration took office. Closing down schools, he said, was a big problem. And then he also said that you have to. Oh, gee, what did he say? Hold on. I got so lost up in the border. The border. Everybody knew what was going on in their neighborhood. They saw changes that they couldn't deal with. And then also when they went to the grocery market and they saw that the eggs were too expensive or they went to fill up the gas in their car, it was too expensive. Expensive. The Democrats lost the country and those three issues right at the very beginning.

[Jesse Waters]

So again, that's Democrat says we were right.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Remember when the chief of staff said that inflation was a high class problem? I mean, you don't get much more condescending than that.

[Jesse Waters]

Condescension.

[Dana Perino]

I hate that word. Yeah, yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

It's almost as bad as tariff, right?

[Dana Perino]

Yes. Or Pinot Noir.

[Jesse Waters]

Up next, President Trump bulldozing the nasty press as Democrats freak out over his style.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Since 2017, Disney has grown its U.S. workforce by nearly 20,000, employing 160,000 people across all 50 states.

[Dana Perino]

And with more than $30 billion in.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Investments in U.S. parks, Disney is creating nearly 10,000 jobs. Learn more at the Walt Disney Company.com/economic-impact.

[Dana Perino]

We can leave the night on.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

So it's a tale of two presidents. President Trump's blockbuster around the clock media availability. Getting some praise from the press and drawing a contrast with his camera shy predecessor. As Politico notes, Trump 2.0 has done media on 111 days of his 138 days back in office. An 80% hit rate that includes weekends and must put him on course to being just about the most accessible president in modern history, the Joe Biden experience shows just how important it is that leaders are held up to regular scrutiny. And President Trump, he was back at it today, mixing it up with the media while swearing in a familiar face.

[Dana Perino]

That's a nasty question. Go ahead. To me, that's the nastiest question.

[Rosanna Scotto]

Wait a minute, please.

[Dana Perino]

Wait.

[Jesse Waters]

Go ahead, please. Did you warn Prime Minister Netanyahu against taking some sort of actions that could.

[Dana Perino]

Disrupt the talks there in a phone call last week?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I'd like to be honest.

[Dana Perino]

Yes, I did. Next question, please. What are you referring foreign visas for?

[Jessica Guitarlov]

What are you talking about?

[Dana Perino]

For colleges. Okay, so you're off of Israel now.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

You'Re talking about colleges, right?

[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No.

[Dana Perino]

Okay, well, we're going to see. Look, Harvard has been a disaster, so.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

You'D think by now Democrats would stop getting baited by every truth post or presser, and yet Mark Halperin is stunned by how they keep falling for it.

[Dana Perino]

The emails and texts I get from my Democratic sources, as I said before, the Trump administration's over and it's just a bankrupt, corrupt mess and he's already a failed president and he's not getting anything done. They're back to a Shiffian, Adam Schiff and Heather Cox Richardson point of view, which is everything Trump does is an epic disaster. And. And that the American people will turn on him and Republicans in the midterms because he's impolite.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Yeah, Greg, a lot of these Democrats seem to think that Trump's style is going to sink him in.

[Dana Perino]

The Demps and the media spent his first term with their hair on fire over his tweets. Four years later, their solution is they let their hair grow out again and set it on fire again. And it's not working. Trump gives them so much and all they do is cry. No, no, no. Make it stop. Make the mean man stop. Look, you had four years of hibernation. You didn't have to do squat. You get nothing from us. It's funny. Now you have to do your job and nobody cares. It's like there's nothing the media can do. Nobody trusts you. You're like the back. You're like the sound of an air conditioner in a room we just got used to. We don't even know you're there. You know, the funny thing is the Dems don't understand Trumpers, that Trumpers understand that Trump is a package deal. You know, we know what we're getting with Trump, and it's an all inclusive package. And maybe there's Some things you could do without it, but you can't do Trump a la carte. There's just no way to do it. I used to think that Trump's were. He won in spite of Trump's tweets. I think now he won because of it, because the outbursts and his kind of tone and attitude tells you everything's in working order. It's like, you know when you have a Shelby Mustang in the driveway, you hear the engine, it's loud, it's scary, but it's working. Meanwhile, the Democrats car is in the garage, it's up on blocks and it's sputtering every time you turn the key.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Well, and after Biden, you know, radical transparency, Jesse, might be exactly what the doctor ordered for the country and maybe for the Democrats.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, first of all, Greg just called Jessica an air conditioner and it was probably the nicest thing he ever said about her.

[Greg Gutfeld]

A white noise machine.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Hey, if you don't have air conditioning though, you would be upset.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, but you know who wanted to ban it? Democrats.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's not true. Have your dishwasher, have your air conditioner, Jessica.

[Jesse Waters]

And that's why my hair looks flat today, because it's a slow flow shower. Not anymore. So Trump was like a presidential shock jock. And for 10 years, they're still shocked. They're not shocked anymore. Everyone got over it right away. It was only shocking because he was saying things that no other politician had ever said. Everybody in their private lives said the same things and thought the same things. And that's why he loved them, because he said the same things we all felt in our heart. Now if you're pretending to still be shocked now while at the same time trying to act like him, trying to say, we need our own Trump and Adam Schiff sounds like this Democrat Dirty Harry. Over my dead body. Get the F out of here. And how do we talk like men? And then every time a real man talks, they're like, oh, my God, I can't hear this. You guys gotta pick a lane and figure it out. Now, the Joe Biden stuff, I'm just remembering these conversations I had with the air conditioner. And we would say stuff like, where's he been for six days? And you'd be like, well, he just had a cabinet meeting. We'd be like, but it was staged, Jessica. Oh, well, he just did a sit down interview. Yeah, it was with Dylan. These are the kind of things we were going through. And Tapper saw it. Tapper saw him almost fall asleep with Al Roker. He almost like, what was that? An interview that he skipped for the super bowl, which is a layup. So now they're acting like, oh, we didn't see anything. He skipped a Super bowl interview. That's when you knew. That's when you knew it was all over. They were in on hiding Biden and.

[Dana Perino]

He slept with Al Roker.

[Jesse Waters]

He slept with Al Roker. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Wow, that's intense. Rosanna, you know this. You work in media. We live in a content world. And you can make content, you can react to content, but you can't stand still. But the Democrats have been standing still and just hoping that Trump falls. They hope that he was going to go to jail. They hoped that he was going to lose the election. They just hope that he will go away, that now they're hoping that people will just get tired of him because of his style. And meanwhile, the Democrats popularity continues to go down while Trump's is, you know, it's down relative to where it was. Jessica. I agree, but it's still better than where they are.

[Rosanna Scotto]

Well, you know, the Democrats used to have their finger on the pulse, but let's face it, six months later after the election, and they're still trying to figure out what went wrong. So they go to this highfalutin hotel and they sit down and they try to figure out what they did wrong, what their new message is. And then everybody finds out they went to, you know, a very expensive hotel and that are they tone deaf? Are they not listening to the American people? The Democrats were a party of lunch pail voters, labor unions. They had their finger on the pulse, championing labor, fair wages, social issues.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

The.

[Rosanna Scotto]

They've gone so far from their original cause. I think that they're looking to find a messenger. And right now, I don't think they have one in mind. Seems every few weeks.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Let me just open it, have somebody new. Let me open up to Jessica then. Like, do you think they have a messenger now that is effective?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I do.

[Dana Perino]

Who?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think Bernie Sanders and AOC are very effective messenger.

[Jesse Waters]

So do we.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

But they're. But, but, but that's not about who's going to be what. Like a Rahm Emanuel is saying that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Totally. And I, I enjoy listening to Rahm Emanuel and hearing from him. And I'm glad that he's all over the media circuit as well. But there is something compelling in the energy that AOC and Bernie are bringing. And you see that in the reaction of people going to these rallies who say this isn't even my politics. That Iowa is full of the.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Idaho is energy, but the policies are terrible.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's not about policy right now. We're not. The election is 18 months away for the midterms even. Not even the presidency. People are desperate to see the Democrats have a poll say, like Chris Murphy right now, who has a completely moderate set of policies. He has. If you watch him, he's creating content constantly. He's right now walking across the state of Connecticut talking to voters.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

He has a moderate.

[Jesse Waters]

Chris Murphy, Senator. I mean, I know, but I mean.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Seriously, he didn't have daughters, so he couldn't talk about trans.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah. He's a coward.

[Jesse Waters]

He grew a beard, too.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Yep.

[Dana Perino]

He's not a real. Can I say he's not a man?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I. I think that's biologically incorrect.

[Dana Perino]

No, no, no, no, no. I think he's trans.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Stop it.

[Dana Perino]

I don't know. Trans men or men. Or trans men, women. Not sure.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, we'll figure it out in the C block, which is about trans women.

[Dana Perino]

What does C stand for?

[Jessica Guitarlov]

What it stands for up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, no, no, no, no. There is an important distinction to be drawn. And being good or delivering truth or actually saying what's going on in the. In the world. And now I'm all funneled up in my head, but told Bibi Netanyahu, we don't call him baby.

[Jesse Waters]

I always get that name wrong.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, don't. It's important. There is. Donald Trump does this thing, not only like today, he says, you know, we got 5.1 trillion in the Middle East. There's actually. It was 1.5 trillion, like, a week ago. But most importantly, he sits down for these interviews, and I think Biden should have been more accessible. Maybe we would have had a competitive primary if he had been more accessible. But he does these interviews, and then he says, I don't know, or I'm not sure. Like Kristen Welker asked him, do you need to uphold the Constitution? I don't know. Ask a lawyer. Are you sending migrants to Libya? I don't know. Ask Homeland Security. You just announced a new nominee for Surgeon general who didn't graduate from med school. Why? Bobby likes her. I don't know her. You have the power to bring back Abrego Garcia. I don't make that decision. Lawyers do.

[Dana Perino]

You are on behalf of him right now.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, I'm not. I'm saying that that is what the criticism is of him. He may be in front of you, but that doesn't mean that he's not Spewing utter bs.

[Dana Perino]

But you know what I got to say?

[Greg Gutfeld]

What do you have to say?

[Dana Perino]

I have to say that the hardest thing that you're dealing with and I think is that nobody respects the media enough to give them an answer after what they did to the American people for four plus years. They covered up. So it's like, it's like, let's stop.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Talking about Jake Tapper.

[Dana Perino]

No, I never stop talking. How dare you?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Give me a break.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

All right, up next, President Trump's twists Gavin Newsom's arm on trans sports and gets results.

[Jesse Waters]

I hear it all the time.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

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[Rosanna Scotto]

Here we go. President Trump scoring a huge win for women's sports while attacking the governor he loves to call news scum. Just hours after Trump threatened to cut federal funding to California over a biological male competing in a girls track championship, which he slammed as totally demeaning to women and girls, the state now reversed course. It will allow more biological females to compete in this weekend's track and field state championships. And transgender identifying athletes will be scored in a separate category. The president also reminding Gavin Newsom that he once called boys and girls sports unfair.

[Dana Perino]

You right now should come out and be like, you know what? The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports, that's. That. That shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out and say, no, no, and I appreciate.

[Jesse Waters]

But, like, would you do something like that?

[Dana Perino]

Would you say no men in female sports?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, it's.

[Dana Perino]

I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness. So it's deeply. Would you speak?

[Rosanna Scotto]

All right, so does this policy change fix the problem, Dana?

[Jessica Guitarlov]

No. First of all, it's a pilot entry process. Okay? Greg in the A block said, can I use it? Can I use it? He said that some crazy idea or bad idea, you have to go to the teacher's lounge to get the language. Whereas if it was just like something that everyone could understand, which is A, no men cannot play in women's sports, period. Everybody would be able to understand it. Instead, it's like under. I've read this three times under the pilot process. Any biological female student athlete would have earned the thing in the cif, the state meet, and then the section meet, and it was extended.

[Rosanna Scotto]

It's confusing.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

It's. What's so upsetting to me is we have these young women who have been passed over for opportunities and scholarships. They have been injured. They, they are the ones and their parents who got up every morning early, they got to the swimming pool to swim or they to the track meet and especially for pole vaulting. All of this track and field stuff, they act like it's not a really big deal every single day. You could find many of these young women who are then having to go and fight for themselves because none of the women who went ahead of them who succeeded in sports will defend them. And I think that is so shameful. So then you have Gavin Newsom who goes on a podcast and says, yeah, I think that's a bad idea, but actions speak louder than words. And he doesn't act until he's threatened with losing the money. And then when they do say, okay, we're going to have a pilot program thing, that nobody can understand it because nobody wants to be clear because they're so afraid of taking a leadership position. But when you are in politics and you when you're in government, that is a decision making experience.

[Rosanna Scotto]

Experience.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

And if he cannot make a decision as simple as this one, his career as a politician will end as governor.

[Rosanna Scotto]

Well, he also said out of 5.8 million students in California public schools right now, fewer than 10 are active trans student athletes. So are we making too much out of this, Greg?

[Dana Perino]

Well, if it was only that, then why do they, why are they putting it on other people? If you want to do the actual math, you can, can talk about how many teams are the are these students on, how many members of the family are in, in that teen's life and then the other teams that they play, then you'll see it exponentially grows. But if they're arguing against their own point, if this is such a small thing, why did you make it into a law? It's a shame that Newsom reacts only to political consequences and not moral ones. So it makes it the job of parents and of Trump to create the political consequences. Consequences. So he will act. Okay, let's talk about the change in the law. Maybe Jessica, you might know more about this. I don't know it will allow girls who are eliminated because they lost to a trans female, that is a dude, to advance and then lose to the same person again. So it's like saying, it's almost like no cash bail. It's like you got mugged and you press charges, but the guy's out and now he knows where you live, so he's going to beat you again. This guy's mad because you got to say, see what I mean? It's like, it's, it's like you can't have your cake and eat it too. It's almost like a non binary law I have, you know, we talk about the parents of the, the just normal, healthy kids. What about the parents of trans. Nobody talks about that. And that like, what is the sunk cost of their decision that they're putting their kids through this only to realize. And they're going to realize it because that's a fact. It's a contagion, it's a delusional fad. How are you going to be able to deal with that? Or are you going to continue to deny reality so that they can live with themselves in the decision they made? But you may have participated in the worst hysteria that has ever affected children in history.

[Greg Gutfeld]

History.

[Dana Perino]

I, again, you got to do something. And I think right now the only people that come out on the side of this trans thing know somebody who's trans. They say it's only 10. Well, they're really loud.

[Rosanna Scotto]

So A.B. hernandez, who's the trans student in question right now, said, yeah, he won the, you know, the triple jump last week, but he's, she has also placed in a third in a triple jump, eighth and a high jump, third and a long jump. So biologically, you know, he, she doesn't have an advantage on anybody else.

[Jesse Waters]

I don't even know what we're talking about. Who's that person? Is it a she? Is it a he? Okay, I don't, I don't, Okay, I don't know what, I don't know what that means. Okay. He.

[Dana Perino]

We don't, we don't do the pronoun game here.

[Jesse Waters]

Right? So that was confusing to me. You have to put it to me easy to understand terminology. He has to look like he's caving because he's running for president and his state is almost bankrupt and he needs money for the. While you talk about Gavin, talking about.

[Dana Perino]

Gavin that it's a she.

[Jesse Waters]

She needs Trump's help in California because they have the World cup, they have the Olympics, and he's trying to do the Whitmer thing, where they're like, kind of buddy buddy, but not buddy buddy, and it's not really working for her. But he's always shocked to find out what's going on in his own state. He's always like, oh, my God, how these homeless people get here? I mean, how did Paulie P. Get hit in the head with a hammer? I mean, what. Where this guy come from? You know, I can't believe there's men and women's sports. I don't know. You were in charge when that law was written. This guy shocked that gambling's going on in these premises. That was Casablanca, Greg.

[Dana Perino]

Good call.

[Rosanna Scotto]

All right, thank you, Jess. Let's talk about the Democrats, because they're basically split on this issue. Public Policy Institute of California found a majority of voters in California oppose males competing in women's sports.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, we're not split. It's a 70, 30 issue. Go with the 70, win some elections, and then you get to make policy and. And change hearts and minds. But this actually wasn't Gavin Newsom. There was no capitulation. This was the California Interscholastic Federation. And this plan had already been developed before Trump's threat. And there's no way that this could have been put together in the 20 minutes. So I know it's a fun narrative to crap on. Greasy Gavin Newscom. Whatever you want to say, you want to call them a she, whatever. That's not what's going on here at all. And it is relevant to say that There are only 10 of these students out of the 5.8 million K through 12 public school students in California. Just like it was relevant when the head of the NCAA showed up to testify in Congress and said, we're talking about 10 athletes out of the 510,000. Now, again, that does not mean that I think that trans women in these competitive sports should be able to compete and be ranked against each other. And that's why this is a reasonable solve, or at least is progress in going in the right direction. Because what actually happens here is you essentially have three categories. Categories. So the race starts or the pole vaulting competition starts, and everybody gets to compete. So trans women as well as biological females. What they are saying is that a biological female will not go down in the ranking because a trans woman.

[Jesse Waters]

It's also complicated. Why can't women race women?

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Yeah, we do.

[Dana Perino]

No, you don't.

[Jesse Waters]

You race against men.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I get it. I. If it's only 10, I mean, the teachers lounge. I just. I think I needed that.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Well, if they're in the, if there are only 10 people, then tell the 10 people you're not competing well, but.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They'Re going to get their own rankings. Part of the problem with what happened.

[Jesse Waters]

How about the trans have their own thing like, like, like a trans scholastic intergalactic.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Aren't enough people for that? That's why this is part of the solve.

[Dana Perino]

I think that they should get rid of all gender distinctions. Let the boys and girls compete together and see what happens to girls sports. Jessica.

[Rosanna Scotto]

All right, the conversation continues, but we have to talk about Trump's arrangement because you know what? It just hit Broadway. Patti LuPone wants to blow up the Kennedy Center.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Jessica Guitarlov]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Jessica Guitarlov]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Jessica Guitarlov]

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[Dana Perino]

Talk about a bomb on Broadway. Tony Award winner Patti Luponi is lashing out at President. It's Patti Liponi. Trump's overhaul of the Kennedy center. Calling for the building to get blown up. She wants to blow up the building. Jessica, what is it with you? Liberals wanted to blow up stuff. I'm tired of you coming over here and blowing our stuff up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We just talk about it.

[Dana Perino]

Do you think this is selective bias? We only hear this from liberals, but we don't. So we think that the performing arts is all liberals. But there's a lot of people that are quiet.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, totally. And I think there's just also a lot of people who are nonviolent who are like, yeah, I wish the other gal had one. I'm going to survive. Moving on. It felt a little 2016 hysterical versus 2024 hysterical, which is much more muted.

[Dana Perino]

That's, that's true, Dan. It's like they're getting high off their own supply. You know, their derangement has actually, like now it's recursive. They just deranged themselves.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

But also, look, it is attention seeking. Like, for example, Jim Comey, right, when he does a little seashell stunt, he probably sees book sales go up or he gets some clicks or maybe he gets some new followers. Patti Luponi hasn't been heard from in years. And then she gets to do this and all of a sudden it's like, oh, My Little Pony has like more clicks.

[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

She's excited about it. And I think that the idea that celebrities despise Trump, it's just old. We did a thing this morning. Who is the actor that came out and said that he voted for Trump and then he's been ostracized and dropped by everyone. It was in Hemmer Celebrity News. But I can't remember the guy's name.

[Dana Perino]

Good little famous.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Famous guy.

[Dana Perino]

Eat up, Eat up time with no information. Rosanna, this girl, Peggy Laponia. Peggy what?

[Rosanna Scotto]

Patti Lupone, a fantastic actress. I saw her on Broadway. Evita. She sang Don't Cry for and Me Argentina.

[Dana Perino]

So you're saying. I'm saying now he's this guy.

[Rosanna Scotto]

That's Patti Leone. And I'm just gonna say Patty's been on a rant lately.

[Dana Perino]

Is that her brother?

[Rosanna Scotto]

No, Patty's been on a rant. She's going after everybody. She went after her old boyfriend, Kevin Klein. She called him a gigolo, basically. Now she went after Audra McDonald. Not that Audrey McDonald.

[Dana Perino]

Or not Audra. How dare she? Exactly. Or he.

[Rosanna Scotto]

That is totally getting a lot of backlash. Okay, I'm just going to rest my case. She's on a rant and now she's going after the Kennedy Santa.

[Dana Perino]

I feel bad for her, Jesse. Do you?

[Jesse Waters]

For him now? I didn't even know Patty was trans until you just said that.

[Dana Perino]

I don't know. I mean, a trans woman is a trans woman. Wait, wait. Is a woman?

[Jesse Waters]

They're telling me she's a woman.

[Dana Perino]

Okay, but aren't trans women? So that's actually what everyone can be.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

A woman.

[Dana Perino]

Why are we making a distinction? What's your name? Patricia.

[Jesse Waters]

It's Patty. Patty Lahoo.

[Dana Perino]

Patti Lahern.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

I don't know. Yes. Wait, wait.

[Jesse Waters]

Look at her.

[Dana Perino]

Wow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So. Stop.

[Dana Perino]

I'm not. No, I. I'm not. We're just. They're just showing pictures. I don't know.

[Jesse Waters]

I think she's beautiful.

[Dana Perino]

Me too.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right.

[Jesse Waters]

Me too.

[Dana Perino]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

If you thought Newark was a zoo. A pair of stowaway pigeons causing havoc on a Delta flight. Causing the plane to to return to the gate twice.

[Dana Perino]

Awful.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I was just on a plane and if that had happened. You were just on a plane.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Yeah, pigeons or what is it called if you're scared of birds? Ornithophobia. Ornithophobia.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Something that's an.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Anyway. Yeah, first of all, pigeons are gross.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So gross.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

I am surprised this doesn't happen more often though because I do think it's kind of cute. Not when a pigeon, but you know, like when a sparrow ends up in the airport. That's kind of cute.

[Dana Perino]

Ironic.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

He's like eating the french fries.

[Dana Perino]

It's like this is one lazy bird. You know, you could already fly. You don't need a ticket. By the way, I blame dei. How did that pigeon get on the plane? D E I look it up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is Sean Duffy's Vegas scandal. Yes, Jesse.

[Jesse Waters]

I liked how the guy. The guy stood up. All the women stayed down. The guy stood up with the blanket. I mean for first of all, why does the man have a blanket?

[Dana Perino]

I don't know.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's a jacket.

[Jesse Waters]

It's a jacket. Well, good use of the jacket. He takes his jacket off and he gets the bird. That's what real men do.

[Dana Perino]

It's a Daniel Penny of this story.

[Rosanna Scotto]

Only in 2025 can a pigeon sneak on a plane where we're still stuck at TSA taking off our belt and shoes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do not have pre check.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Exactly.

[Rosanna Scotto]

I'm always the one they say you have to go back, take it off.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

I get random all the time, so that doesn't really random.

[Rosanna Scotto]

I am clear. I have everything and I still have to take things off.

[Jesse Waters]

They just want to pet you.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

They just want to see you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Just want a piece of Rosanna.

[Rosanna Scotto]

They're very nice agents.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. One more thing.

[Rosanna Scotto]

Going away this weekend.

[Dana Perino]

This river.

[Jesse Waters]

It's time now for one more thing. Greg.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, we got a great show tonight. We got Rich Foss, he's a comedian. Paul Morrow, Emily Campagno. Tyrus. Isn't that great? Hey, let's do this. Greg. Sexy Miniature horse. New Miniature Miniature Horse News. Oh, yeah. You know who that is? That's Carmela. Carmela Yeah. Yeah. Used to date Patti LuPone. That's VGO. That's VGO. This is @ the San Francisco Zoo. There's nothing they like more than rolling around. A good roll in the hay, but there's no hay. So what the hey? And it's in San Francisco. What do the horses say? Hey.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm glad they had the music. Remember sexy bear news last week?

[Dana Perino]

I know. I remember that. That angered me deeply. Dana.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Okay. Two Brazilian nuns. They are going viral. Nuns.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Stop talking.

[Jesse Waters]

Those are good.

[Jessica Guitarlov]

They have some dance moves and some beatboxing. Watch. So we have a new pope and we have beatbox. And you gotta love it. These are two sisters. They shocked the Internet. And good for them. Hey. Also, hey. I think it's the fifth week in a row. New York Times bestseller list number four. Still holding strong. I think I might be best selling. I wish someone had told me that Greg was going to be a jerk.

[Jesse Waters]

Congratulations. Well, you don't need a warning for that. Hawaii's volcano putting on an absolute clinic. Look at this thing.

[Dana Perino]

Whoa.

[Jesse Waters]

Kilauea volcano just sending off thousands of feet in the air. Lots of hot lava. That's how you do it, folks. Just explode all over the national park.

[Dana Perino]

Is that a tip?

[Jessica Guitarlov]

Yeah. Where are they in now?

[Jesse Waters]

We don't. They're under the hot lava. They're dead. Scientists predict this volcano will erupt again in the near future. And we're going to send Greg out to look at it.

[Dana Perino]

Thank you.

[Jesse Waters]

Tonight, Kamala's latest, word salad down under. We have the tape.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You move on.

[Jesse Waters]

No, I can't. Like, we're also be talking about Biden.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Can't wait to tune in. An endurance swimmer became the first person to swim around Martha's Vineyard. British South African Louis Pugh embarked on the feed to mark the 50th anniversary of the movie Jaws and to raise awareness about the need to protect the sharks. His 60 mile shark swim was completed over 12 days to rough. All right.

[Jesse Waters]

He's in a Speedo. We could just put guys in Speedos as a warmer thing. I'm doing a bikini contest tomorrow.

[Dana Perino]

I am.

[Jesse Waters]

Rosanna, you gotta finish.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I'm so.

[Rosanna Scotto]

Okay. Well, talk about a splash of star power. Nearly 200 Marilyn Monroe. Look, we go platinum wigs and all. Dashed into the Chile Irish Sea this weekend for a good cause. The Maryland matter paddle actually raised over 37,000 for women's cancer care at Dublin's matter hospital. It was some like it hot and more like some like it freezing. But all for a good cause. Wow.

[Dana Perino]

That's cold.

[Jesse Waters]

I have a great Marilyn Monroe story I'll tell you guys after the show. It involves a volcano.

[Dana Perino]

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