The Left’s New Enemy

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five – "The Left’s New Enemy"

Release Date: June 4, 2025
Host: FOX News Radio
Description: The hot topics that have everyone talking from the five voices that will have everyone listening. Don't miss 'The Five' as they discuss, debate and at times debunk the hot news stories, controversies and issues of the day.

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1. Introduction to "The Left’s New Enemy"

In the June 4, 2025 episode of The Five, hosted by Greg Gutfeld and featuring panelists Katie Pavlich, Jessica Tarloff, Jesse Watters, and Dana Perino, the discussion centers around what the panelists describe as the Democratic Party's emerging strategies and challenges. The episode delves into immigration policies, budget deficits, the Democratic Party's relationship with male voters, and recent trends in crime statistics.

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2. Immigration and ICE Policies

a. Democrat's Efforts to Dox ICE Agents

The conversation begins with a heated debate over the Democratic Party’s attempts to unmask and potentially dox Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents. Greg Gutfeld highlights recent Democratic initiatives aimed at revealing the identities of ICE agents, arguing that such actions undermine their efforts to uphold immigration laws.

• Greg Gutfeld [00:56]: "The five Dems are fighting for the right to dox ICE agents, even as the Boulder attack proves we need them more than ever."

b. Mask Requirements for ICE Agents

The panel discusses the rationale behind ICE agents wearing masks during operations. Gutfeld contends that masks are necessary for personal safety and protection against threats.

• Gutfeld [02:05]: "But here's why ICE needs the masks... to protect their identities from cartel bounties."

Conversely, Katie Pavlich criticizes Democrats for advocating the removal of masks, suggesting it exposes ICE agents to undue risks.

• Pavlich [08:26]: "Democrats at the highest order of leadership in the United States Congress saying they're going to dox and find these people..."

c. The Colorado Attack and Illegal Immigration

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around a recent attack in Colorado by an illegal immigrant wielding a Molotov cocktail at a Jewish gathering. The panelists use this incident to underscore the perceived dangers of lax immigration policies.

• Gutfeld [01:51]: "Shocking new video out of Colorado. The terror suspect, an illegal immigrant..."

d. Analysis of Democratic Immigration Stance

Jessica Tarloff and Dana Perino debate the effectiveness and motivations behind Democratic immigration policies, with Tarloff suggesting that current enforcement targets are misaligned with original campaign promises.

• Tarloff [07:27]: "Well, they should be ashamed of what they're doing. If you are the ICE agent that's picking up a 17-year-old kid..."

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3. Budget Deficits and Legislative Policies

a. The "Big Beautiful Bill" and CBO Scoring

The discussion shifts to recent legislative developments, particularly a significant budget reconciliation bill. Panelists critique the Congressional Budget Office's (CBO) scoring of the bill, debating its accuracy and implications for the national deficit.

• Tarloff [16:30]: "All agree that this is gonna add to the deficit and that we…"

• Gutfeld [19:09]: "It does 2.4 trillion, they said to save 1.7 trillion in mandatory spending."

b. Elon Musk vs. Biden's Fiscal Policies

Elon Musk's opposition to President Biden's fiscal strategies becomes a focal point, with panelists discussing his influence and the broader implications for American economic policies.

• Gutfeld [13:19]: "Trump versus Elon. What an unexpected. I'm not sure who to root for..."

• Perino [12:57]: "The Democrats wasting no time pouncing on Musk's comments."

c. Republican Strategies and Economic Outlook

Jesse Watters emphasizes the Republican stance on fiscal responsibility, advocating for necessary but incremental budget adjustments to manage deficits.

• Watters [13:19]: "The bill is going to get done. At the end of the day, neither side is going to really like it that much, but it'll get done."

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4. Democrats' Relationship with Male Voters

a. SAM Project Study on Male Perceptions

The panel discusses a study by Politico, known as the SAM Project, which reveals that men perceive Democrats as weak and Republicans as strong. This perceived disconnect is attributed to Democratic strategies failing to engage male voters effectively.

• Pavlich [21:22]: "Men see Democrats as weak and Republicans as strong..."

b. Alienation of Men and Policy Implications

The conversation explores how Democratic policies and cultural shifts may have alienated male voters, leading to decreased support in traditionally male-dominated areas and issues.

• Watters [24:30]: "Do you guys remember when was it the Obama team that did Life of Julia?"

• Gutfeld [26:30]: "The Defense, the concept of enforcement is an adult theme, upset about masks and is infantile."

c. Panelists' Perspectives on Reconnecting with Male Voters

Panelists like Tarloff and Perino suggest that recognizing and addressing the concerns of male voters is crucial for the Democratic Party's future electoral success.

• Tarloff [28:18]: "Not a ton. But I know that I have to to some degree..."

• Pavlich [26:46]: "Policy positions to support that."

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5. Crime Rates and Fentanyl Seizures

a. Significant Drop in Crime Statistics

Jesse Watters introduces alarming yet positive statistics indicating a 20% reduction in murder rates and a noticeable decline in fentanyl seizures across the United States. The panel criticizes the mainstream media for failing to report these trends.

• Watters [31:02]: "Murder rates are tumbling across the US in 2025. So homicides are down at least 20% over last year."

b. Attribution to Republican Policies

The panel attributes the decrease in crime rates to stringent law enforcement policies implemented during the Trump administration, including harsher penalties and increased funding for police.

• Pavlich [33:10]: "The attitude of the Trump administration combined with the resources they've put on the ground... has helped reduce crime."

• Gutfeld [33:01]: "The mysterious drop in fentanyl is because incentives and disincentives are mysterious to the media."

c. Critique of Democratic and Media Responses

Panelists argue that the Democratic Party and mainstream media have either downplayed or ignored the improvements in crime statistics, hindering public recognition of effective policies.

• Gutfeld [31:46]: "Who was talking about crime? This show. And Trump... gaslighting us about crime rates?"

• Perino [35:17]: "They think they're helping by covering up, but they're actually just delaying a longer term problem."

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6. Interlude: Marijuana Use Among Seniors

In a lighter segment, the panel humorously discusses the rise in marijuana use among seniors, poking fun at the generational shifts and the changing perceptions of cannabis consumption.

• Gutfeld [36:11]: "Adults can enjoy? Old people can enjoy whatever they want to..."

• Pavlich [38:02]: "They were Woodstock. Yeah, they were."

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7. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

The episode concludes with humorous exchanges about various lighter news topics, including a pet zebra on the loose in Tennessee and a black bear spotted at a beach in Florida. The panelists wrap up by reiterating the main themes of the episode, emphasizing the challenges facing the Democratic Party and the perceived effectiveness of Republican policies in addressing key issues like immigration and crime.

• Gutfeld [40:35]: "So if you are the ICE agent that's picking up a 17-year-old kid... [and] trying to satisfy Stephen Miller."

• Tarloff [41:00]: "Jessica, I'm mad about that story, but we can talk about it tomorrow."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Greg Gutfeld [00:56]: "The five Dems are fighting for the right to dox ICE agents, even as the Boulder attack proves we need them more than ever."

• Katie Pavlich [08:26]: "Democrats at the highest order of leadership in the United States Congress saying they're going to dox and find these people..."

• Jesse Watters [31:02]: "Murder rates are tumbling across the US in 2025. So homicides are down at least 20% over last year."

• Jessica Tarloff [07:27]: "Well, they should be ashamed of what they're doing. If you are the ICE agent that's picking up a 17-year-old kid..."

• Dana Perino [35:17]: "They think they're helping by covering up, but they're actually just delaying a longer term problem."

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Conclusion

The Five in this episode presents a robust discussion critiquing Democratic policies and highlighting Republican approaches to immigration, budgeting, and law enforcement. The panelists argue that Democrats are losing ground with male voters and failing to effectively communicate successes in crime reduction, while Republicans are portrayed as taking decisive action to address these critical issues. The conversation intertwines serious policy analysis with lighter, humorous segments, maintaining an engaging and dynamic dialogue throughout the episode.

Transcript

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[Jessica Tarloff]

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[Dana Perino]

This aggressive overreach and are trying to.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hide their identities from the American people will be unsuccessful in doing that. Every single one of them, no matter what it takes, no matter how long.

[Dana Perino]

Why are you wearing masks to hide your face?

[Katie Pavlich]

People are terrified for their lives and for their neighbors. Folks getting snatched off the street by secret police who are wearing masks who. Who can offer no justification for why certain people are being taken.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But here's why ICE needs the masks. A lunatic in San Diego recently filmed himself lobbing death threats at agents doing an arrest.

[Jesse Watters]

When people start fighting back, then what y' all gonna do? Y' all gonna shoot every American? When we start fighting back, what y' all gonna do? Y' all gonna shoot Americans, then God shame all.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Y' all should put a bullet in your heads doing Trump's work.

[Jesse Watters]

Every single one of y' all put.

[Greg Gutfeld]

A bullet in your head. But it looks like the mask has just come off for the Democrats. This Vermont lawmaker revealed the true reason behind Joe Biden letting in millions of illegals.

[Jessica Tarloff]

If we don't have avenues for people.

[Katie Pavlich]

To come here legally to work or.

[Jesse Watters]

To build a home here, I'm gonna.

[Katie Pavlich]

Be really crude right now. We're not gonna have anybody around to.

[Jesse Watters]

Wipe our because we don't have enough people.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So there you go, Jesse. We need illegals to wipe our asses. It's true. The View actually needs a truckload of m immigrants every morning. That's it.

[Dana Perino]

I found out about a bidet was a couple years ago on the show. That's the way to go.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay.

[Dana Perino]

She's saying basically, we need to bring in another class to wipe our. That's disgusting. Can we talk about the Democrats for a second? They're finally anti mask. Craig, we finally said you got to take the mask off. They should just tell this congressman there's long Covid and they're just trying to stop the spread. So if Tran tifa can put a mask on to commit crime, why can't ICE put a mask on to stop it? Because this is an option for these ICE agents. They're getting docs, their families are getting threatened. This isn't a nationwide policy. They're doing it to protect their identities from cartel bounties. A lot of law enforcement people wear masks. DEA agents wear masks. These gang task force guys wear masks. Some of these elite military operators use masks because they don't want Al Qaeda to know who they are. The top House Democrat says he wants to unmask ICE agents. The most popular Democrat, aoc, says she wants to abolish ice. Walt says ICE is the Gestapo. Joe Biden accused border agents of whipping migrants on horseback. And they're wondering why they don't attract men. Greg, Like I wonder. Maybe it's because you guys are having margaritas with Ms. 13, not margaritas with ice. Why don't they just thank ICE for protecting the community? They brought in the cartels, and now they're attacking the guys that are trying to get them out of here. No bueno.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is Spanish.

[Dana Perino]

That's no good.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. Thank you, Dana. Jesse makes the point that ICE agents have a function to remove and deport illegals from the United States. After the Boulder attack, it's obviously necessary. And again, the Dems choose in the 2080, they choose the other side.

[Jesse Watters]

I actually wrote, how stupid can they be? Deporting criminal, illegal immigrants remains the most popular thing President Trump is doing out of all of them. That's the most popular thing. And the Democrats are attacking ISA and it reminds me of their instincts on defund the police and where that led and where it led the party. Not just practically speaking and the consequences of that, but also, if you remember, during the Roe v. Wade decision at the Supreme Court, those justices were one that went after whatever you think about the mayors of it. But the guy who said he wanted to kill Brett Kavanaugh and his family and had materials in order to do that, then they were harassed. And the justices, I'm sorry, the senators on the Democratic side would not weigh in. And the Biden administration in particular would not weigh in to help protect the justices. And so that was extremely wrong. I also feel like Hakeem Jeffries is. He looks like he is uninspired. He seems defeated. And I've been trying to think of what can the Democrats do to demonstrate that they are serious about making a change and making a pivot. And the media will only help you make a pivot if you make a significant move. And I'm beginning to think that Democrats will look at their polling numbers and think that maybe they need a shake up on the leadership side.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What say you, Jessica?

[Jessica Tarloff]

I think they already think that on the Senate side. The House doesn't feel that way at this particular moment. And definitely we're going to talk about it in the next block. Feel that there's a big opening with the reconciliation bill to make a lot of headway against the Republicans in terms of the masking situation. That guy who's threatening those ICE agents, throw the book at him. You can't do that. You shouldn't be attacking law enforcement. But you really can't make a cogent argument for why these people need to be wearing masks. Except for the fact that a Trump loves a good show, which is why he has Kristi Noem wearing her little vest and posing in front of C. COD and wants it to look tough and bad. And you can't say it's a safety issue. I did about that specific issue there. But when you look at the statistics of who they're actually arresting, you know that they're wearing masks because they're not making good on the promises that they made to the American people of arresting criminals. 70% of the people.

[Dana Perino]

That's because they're embarrassed. Is that what you're saying, Jessica.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Yeah, I do know that.

[Dana Perino]

How do you know that?

[Jessica Tarloff]

Well, I would be if I was.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's my reading and it's absurd. It's lined reading and it's absurd.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Well, they should be ashamed of what they're doing. If you are the ICE agent that's picking up a 17 year old kid on the way to volleyball practice who's been here since he was 5 in Massachusetts, or there was a Missouri woman who's been here for 20 years, mother of three going to a routine check in that's being arrested. And you know what they're doing? They're trying to satisfy Stephen Miller. The conservative Washington Examiner, a conservative paper has this quote out of a private meeting where Stephen Miller is screaming at agents. What do you mean you're going after criminals? Why aren't you at Home Depot? Why aren't you at 7:11? They want to pick up everybody who is here illegally, which is not what he campaigned on. He said we're going to get the bad hombres and the criminals out of here. So, yes, I think if you are showing up to detain a 17 year old that you, you should be wearing a mask and you should be embarrassed of what you're doing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I don't think that's why they wear a mask again, Katie. It's always, they always say they're for the function. Oh, we're for an immigration process, but we don't like how it's done. Oh, they shouldn't be wearing masks. Do you know that if they stopped wearing masks, you can bet they'll find something else?

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah, why not wearing a belt? They don't really want it to happen at all. They're not calling for masks to be taken off of the rioters on college campuses. They were fine with masks during the summer of 2020 when we had the most expensive riots and deadly riots in the history of the country. They're fine with criminals who are just going into regular businesses in cities across the country wearing masks. But oh, no, ICE agents going after hardened criminals in our cities that Democrats want to dox now aren't allowed to cover their face. And before Democrats lost their minds and stop started defending criminals and terrorists years ago, decades ago, ICE agents and others in these kinds of positions were wearing masks. This is not a new phenomenon. But what is new is Democrats at the highest order of leadership in the United States Congress saying they're going to dox and find these people who voluntarily sign up to go after every single day, people who are convicted murderers who are convicted rapists, who are armed and dangerous. They voluntarily sign up for these jobs, which is the whole point. The Democrats, just, like defund the police, want to sow this environment of making an intimidation. They don't want people to sign up to be ICE agents. They want to make sure that, you know, if you decide to serve your country and to protect your community, that they will do everything they can to ruin your life. We've seen this happen over and over again. We saw it with Border Patrol, we've seen it with the police, until, of course, it affects their family. And then all of a sudden, they change their perspective and they're happy to have ICE come into their community to remove these people. But until then, it's all the peasants who have to deal with the consequences of letting these criminals in in the first place and then having Democrats defend them and force the American people to deal with them not being removed.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Does it matter that 70% haven't been convicted of anything?

[Dana Perino]

They're illegal. They're illegal, Jessica.

[Katie Pavlich]

They're here illegally.

[Dana Perino]

Jessica, you don't want to go down this road.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Yes, I do.

[Dana Perino]

You should apologize.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No longer about the mask.

[Dana Perino]

You should apologize to the ICE agents that you just disgraced. You should apologize to them. They're not humiliated. They. They swore an oath to uphold the law of the country, and they're getting a lot of bad hombres out of here.

[Jessica Tarloff]

30% bad. 70%.

[Dana Perino]

Jessica, you broke into the country. You're going all the way.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Most of these people came in through an asylum process. You can still be here enforcing the.

[Dana Perino]

Law of the land. I'm sorry you don't like that, but those are the breaks.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's this contrast. The concept of enforcement is an adult theme, upset about masks and is infantile. And this happens in every damn issue. You come at it with an adult. This is what needs to be done. Oh, but wait.

[Jesse Watters]

What about this stupid.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Sorry. Anyway, up next, Democrats learned to love the guy they smeared as a Nazi. This program is brought to you by Progress.

[Jesse Watters]

I'm Dana Perino. This week on Perino on Politics, I'm joined by my friend, former chief of staff to House Speaker John Boehner and senior advisor to President George W. Bush. It is Barry Jackson. Available now on foxnewspodcast.com or wherever you get your favorite podcasts.

[Dana Perino]

Democrats suddenly in love with the guy they torched Teslas over, called a Nazi and recently accused of genocide. Elon Musk taking issue with President Trump's big beautiful bill, calling it a disgusting abomination. Which he fears is bankrupting America. The Democrats wasting no time pouncing on Musk's comments.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Breaking news.

[Dana Perino]

Elon Musk and I agree with each other.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Every single Republican who voted for the one big ugly bill should be ashamed of themselves. Say something I didn't think was imaginable. I agree with Elon Musk now that.

[Dana Perino]

The national divorce is happening with, with Elon Musk and I'm a child of divorce, okay? I mean, who's going to get big balls?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm worried about him.

[Dana Perino]

In the divorce, the children always get caught in the middle.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Right.

[Dana Perino]

And so I just, you know, if he's out there, I just want him to know we're rooting for him. And the liberal media exploding in delight over the big beautiful beef breaking up.

[Katie Pavlich]

Is hard to do.

[Jessica Tarloff]

And that is exactly what is going on here. This is what it's like outside the.

[Jesse Watters]

Tent with Elon Musk outside the tent, which is not a good place for the Trump administration to be because he has a huge platform.

[Greg Gutfeld]

If you attack Donald Trump and Donald Trump says nothing.

[Dana Perino]

Donald Trump silence is the biggest expression of fear that he has.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Trump versus Elon. What an unexpected. I'm not sure who to root for. It's like Diddy versus R. Kelly.

[Dana Perino]

All right, Dennis. The Democrats are delighting in this.

[Jesse Watters]

Yes, it's a strange new respect. Although it is very disingenuous of them to say they agree with Elon Musk. They agree that they don't like the big beautiful bill, but for very different reasons. The Democrats want to spend a lot more. Elon Musk is saying we really need to cut more. And he's not wrong. And I think that if we were in a perfect world, there would be a lot of different cuts. But one of the most important things that this bill does is for someone who's going to be a trillionaire. They might not care about the tax cuts in this bill, but if you're a middle class taxpayer, you care a lot. And so the bill needs to get done right now. I just feel like I just step back. I don't deal with all of the details in it every day and get into the nitty gritty of it. Because I believe this. The bill is going to get done. At the end of the day, neither side is going to really like it that much, but it'll get done. We'll fund the government. Nothing much will change. And then we will go on to whatever is next.

[Dana Perino]

Greg, they're telling me in my ear that Musk just took his Tesla back From Trump.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, that's terrible. That's terrible. You know, for a normal, thinking person, you can hold two thoughts in your head. The bill isn't where the cuts should be, but it's what needs to be done now. It's not that hard. And actually it's loving. It's wonderful that they're that transparent. This argument is not happening behind closed doors. No one is lying to you about Trump's mental state. Nobody's telling you they're going on picnics together. You can see it. There's no conspiracy, no corruption. When Republicans in Trump's administration, when something's going down, you see it. This is a reconciliation, not an appropriations bill. There's no mechanism for reductions for, like, 99% of the governor. What the government does. But that's gonna come later. But we don't have time to explain that. But that's. But. And I get why Musk is mad. Because Musk, you know, he wants to put a rocket in space. He's gonna do it. So he's just impatient. But it's important that he's impatient. We need to have that. You know, in the A block, we talked about immigration. In the B block, we're talking about budget. The next block, crime. Suddenly, how adult did this country become? The A block, immigration, B, budget, C, crime. No gender, no race, no book bans, no pride month. And why? Because Trump and Musk, through their deeds, deliberately focused attention on the issues that actually matter. And so, you know, the Dems always say, we need to have a conversation. Well, we're actually having the conversation, and it's right out there in front of you. You should be really happy. I think it sucks to be a Democrat because your life is wholly negative. If you wake up rooting for failure, and it happens, we as a country fail. If you wake up rooting for failure and we don't fail, then you're dejected. So your satisfaction is rooted in failure and. And your dissatisfaction is rooted in success. That means if you align to their thinking, you're gonna lose either way.

[Jesse Watters]

Ooh.

[Dana Perino]

Would you care to respond to that?

[Jessica Tarloff]

Not a ton. But I know that I have to to some degree. I mean, I'm a pretty happy Democrat.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You are, but that's because you're around us.

[Dana Perino]

That's right.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Oh, it's my conservative lift that I Get every day.

[Greg Gutfeld]

5 to 6pm we keep you glasses. We keep you real. You don't drift off into some far left loony bin.

[Jessica Tarloff]

I mean, sometimes, but no one is in love with Elon Musk. Politics is a game. And J.D. vance didn't like Donald Trump a whole lot.

[Jesse Watters]

Right.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Excited America's Hitler. Now he's Vice President. Marco Rubio has all the other jobs in the government, and he hated Donald Trump. Ted Cruz has forgiven him for saying that his wife is super ugly and saying that his dad was a murderer. Right?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Didn't say that. Anyway, he was only halfway. So for this particular. In this particular moment, we have something in common with Elon Musk. Should definitely leverage it. That's what's important. But I do think that Republicans, including my dear colleagues here at the table, would prefer that we were talking about Elon Musk versus the brass tax of the bill itself.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So.

[Jessica Tarloff]

So the final CBO scoring came out today. 2.4 trillion. Yeah. Oh, boy. 2.4 trillion to the deficit. 3.7 trillion in tax cuts. 16 million all in total between Medicaid cuts and Obamacare. Credit tax cuts, going off their health insurance. That's what matters. And Steve Bannon, a huge supporter of President Trump, feels the same as Elon Musk does about it. He says, you're going to have to raise taxes. And the Republicans have a new talking point. Mike Johnson was doing this on the Sunday shows. Lutnicks tried it. Bessens try where they say, oh, the cbo, it's a Democratic organization. It's run by a Bush appointee who's only ever donated once to a candidate. And it was a Republican in 2014. But the CBO was fine in 2018 and 2019 when their projections were 99.9, 99.5% accurate. Grading Trump's bill. But because it's.

[Jesse Watters]

But, Jessica, let's just be honest. I worked on Capitol hill starting in 1996. You can do the math, okay? Ever since then, anybody who is president and has, doesn't have the con. They hate the cbo. And Biden, Biden, they hated the cbo.

[Jessica Tarloff]

But the point is that it's accurate. And they're saying that it's a lie.

[Jesse Watters]

I actually don't think that it's correct to say that it's accurate. I think that it is complicated and complex and difficult, and you can argue it in all these different ways. You can get different people to use different numbers. But the Biden people hated cbo, and now the Trump people hate cbo. It's like it always happens. It's been going on since we can.

[Jessica Tarloff]

All agree that this is gonna add to the deficit and that we.

[Greg Gutfeld]

CBO doesn't agree with that.

[Jessica Tarloff]

It does. It does 2.4 trillion, they said to.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Save 1.7 trillion in mandatory spending. Maybe it's because you didn't factor in the tax cuts, but I don't know.

[Katie Pavlich]

When you add in the revenue also from the tariffs, the deficit is no.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Longer the tariffs that are going to be.

[Katie Pavlich]

Actually, when it comes to what they've been scoring, you could say is not accurate and many would say is garbage in terms of the numbers they came up with. But let's get back to. To Elon Musk. When Elon Musk decided he wanted to get involved in politics, Democrats loved it because they had run everything they could against Donald Trump. Nothing had worked. They figured now, great, we have this boogeyman. And they could not stop talking about DOE showing up in front of federal government agencies, defending things like USAID and so on and so forth. Now all of a sudden, they have a disagreement in a transparent way. And you have Chuck Schumer just hours after essentially saying he's the worst person on the planet, saying that he agrees with him. Now, you can't go from calling someone a Nazi to then saying, we agree with them unless you're a Democrat, because if you're a Republican, they would say that you're endorsing white supremacy. And on and on and on.

[Jessica Tarloff]

What about J.D. vance and Trump?

[Katie Pavlich]

So the point is that Elon Musk has this disagreement. We will see what the Senate comes up with. The Senate is, or the White House, rather, has sent up this rescissions package from the Office of Budget and Management to codify a lot of these Doge cuts. Whether Congress will do that is a whole other question. But the Doge cuts that the Democrats protested, including in violent ways at Tesla dealerships, are getting sent up to the Hill for debate in a separate piece of legislation. So Democrats have a problem with authenticity. Here's just another example. One second they hate Elon Musk, and another, when they can use them for political purpose, they're happy to do so.

[Dana Perino]

That was a great special report. All star panel.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

Well done, everybody.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Good.

[Jesse Watters]

Brit whom? Where am I?

[Dana Perino]

Up next, Eric Swalwell claims he secretly gossips with Republican men. Hey, Brit, at the gym.

[Katie Pavlich]

We told you how the Democrats are being encouraged to hit the gym as a way to win back young men. Now Eric Swalwell is taking it to heart, telling the Breakfast Club that GOP lawmakers quietly gossip to him at the House gym and that they're afraid of Trump.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So there's a couple places I go where I get the real from these guys, where I hear like, what is really going on? It's the House gym. That's where I hear, like, what's really going on? You know, at, like, the workout stations or being on the treadmill next to someone's elliptical. And I used to think it was that they were afraid of losing their jobs. And it's not that they're afraid of losing their jobs. They're afraid of their personal security.

[Katie Pavlich]

Okay, nobody wants to talk to you at the gym, bro. Speaking of beta males, Politico getting some of the results of the Democrats widely mocked Talk to Men Study, aka the SAM Project. It took them 30 focus groups and $20 million to come up with the following results. Men see Democrats as weak and Republicans as strong. Democratic Party is overly scripted and cautious, while Republicans are confident and unafraid, too offend. Wow. Jesse, as our man expert.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow.

[Katie Pavlich]

If Eric Spalwell came up with you on the elliptical.

[Dana Perino]

You're with me, Greg.

[Katie Pavlich]

You would never be on the elliptical. First of all.

[Dana Perino]

No, men do not use the elliptical.

[Jesse Watters]

Exactly.

[Katie Pavlich]

But what would you say if he came up to you to ask for some gossip about Trump at the gym?

[Dana Perino]

He'd probably come up to me for a selfie and I'd take it because I'm that kind of guy. But let me explain something to you, Katie. Men discovered America, and then we beat the British and wrote the Constitution and pioneered throughout the west and won two world wars. And we did it with you. We did it together. We were partners. And then the partnership kind of deteriorated. You shipped all of our jobs to China. And when I say you, I don't mean women. I mean, what do you mean? Democrat men. And so we basically turned into desk jockeys. And so that kind of made us sour. And then Obama comes around and he was henpecked, and he accuses us of a war on women. Remember when we were accused of a war on women? We didn't really like that very much. And then we were called toxic, and we got me too'd. And then they redid the Ghostbusters into a chick flick. That was it for me. We used to disagree, Democrat men and Republican men, on the size and scope and role of government. Yeah, we can disagree on that. That's fine. But then they started simping for women, and then they started siding with women against us. Yeah, yeah, he's one of the toxic ones. Right. And then they started selling us skinny jeans. And then they started shooting Botox into their face and started vac shaming. That's when we had it around the pandemic. And Attacking all the pillars of Western civilization, gender, the border, law and order. That's who we had it. So my advice to swallow, be a man, and then you could lead men. It's not our problem. We don't vote Democrat. It's yours.

[Katie Pavlich]

So, Greg, it seems like Jesse's saying that Democrats have a man problem, but they also have a toxic women problem. And the woman running this project is a former president of a huge abortion giant.

[Dana Perino]

A woman is giving them advice on.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How to talk to men.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yes, she's running the project.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's what's wrong.

[Jesse Watters]

She used to run the big abortion group.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, that explains it. You know, they could have saved 20 million and asked us.

[Jesse Watters]

Yep.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We've only been talking about this for, like, I don't know, 10 years that the Democrat party was turning into a woman's party. One of the conclusions from this is that Democrats aren't around men. They don't go to places where men are, like sporting events or gyms, for example, or Jiffy Lube. But the men in their midst of the Democrat, let's say female, they bite their tongues. They stay in their terrified lane. So the women in charge, the women who don't know what's going on around men, they can't even trust the men around them to tell them the truth. Do you think men can play in women's sports? Is now the political version of do I look fat in this dress? No man, no Democrat's gonna tell you what he thinks. But we know what he thinks. That you needed a $20 million study to do. This is evidence of how far removed the Democrats are from reality, that you need to pay consultants to find far your head is up your own ass. You know, again, the Dems need to pay people to tell them that they suck. We could have just told you, hey, maybe don't allow murderers into our country. And don't let men into women's locker rooms. That's consultant work. And you're right. I mean, it's like if you look at what represents the constellation that represents the Democratic Party, masking up for everything except law enforcement, locking down cities, canceling speech, wokeism that destroys careers, defending criminals. It's a systematic elimination of masculinity because there's something. There's something individualistic about masculinity. It's just like men thrive on risk and adventure and being on their own. And that is completely what the Democrats hate. Because you're not relying on government.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah, Dana. So there's the perception of both parties, but then there's also the substance of the policy position. So in this study, they did find that men have anxiety about the economy and being able to buy a house, provide. And Democrats don't seem to have the policy positions to support that.

[Jesse Watters]

Do you guys remember when was it the Obama team that did Life of Julia?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, that was.

[Jesse Watters]

It was like how government can help you if you're a woman. All the way throughout. There's a reason that they have a problem here. They didn't do the life of Jack because Jack didn't matter. And here's a quote from the study. There was a Latino man from Vegas who said that during the 2024 campaign, Harris said, oh, I got Beyonce on stage with me. Oh, I got Lady Gaga on stage. And it just kind of felt like, what does this have to do with me? I'm trying to move up in life. And I was listening to commentary earlier today, and they were talking about how. Remember how Al Franken wrote the book about Rush Limbaugh and it was like a parody and a spoof. Right. So what did they do? They gave him a radio show, and they tried to make that work because they think that if they put money into it and it'll, like, instantly happen, or they think that they can just make a Joe Rogan out of nothing. I think Joe Rogan was like, I worked my butt off, and it was organic and it grew over time. And I don't see any sort of green shoots in the Democratic Party where something could be watered and fertilized to, like, get somewhere until they figure out that they need Life of Jack.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah. So, Jessica, you're married to a real man. Do you want to defend women or men? What do you think?

[Jessica Tarloff]

I defend everybody except law enforcement. Jessica, in your case, I led with. Don't you threaten law enforcement. Also don't pick up 17 year olds on their way to volleyball.

[Jesse Watters]

Oh, there goes my social life. His dad was illegal. They picked up the dad and that's what happened. They didn't go looking for a volleyball player.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Okay.

[Katie Pavlich]

Democrats aren't gonna get men back if you keep arguing on.

[Jessica Tarloff]

No, I don't. I don't think so. Listen, just being objective about this. Elections cost $1.5 billion roughly. To win. $20 million is a drop in the bucket of what's going on here. It shows the Democrats know they have a problem they're trying to change. Have we figured it out yet? Not so much. It takes a while to do a full autopsy. We'll see what happens come the midterms. Or 20, 28.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But why can't you just do it, like, from your own common sense?

[Jessica Tarloff]

I do.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Why do you guys hate men? Why can't you agree with these common sense? I mean, like, can. But I'm asking you, can these people that run the Democratic Party sit down and go, wow, we really effed up.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Can they do that?

[Jessica Tarloff]

No.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But from a moral, not from a political standpoint, but from viewing humanity and how to deal with people like, damn, man, we were real assholes. How do we get this way? You know what I mean?

[Jessica Tarloff]

I think that is what's going on where you see so many people saying, there's a consultant class and also a staffer class that has been pushing representatives further to the left and they're actually comfortable. This is at core of what's going on with the John Fetterman stuff around happen to Biden. You have Gavin Newsom out there talking about trans women in women's sports. Seth Moulton echoing similar sentiments. I think a lot of it will take people trying to find the strength, I guess, to kind of bust through this. I don't even think it's real, but this feeling that you're going to be penalized or the party is going to shun you. I think people are scared. Not just. No. I'm talking about elected representatives who think all the normal things, like trans women should be in women's sports. But speaking of scared, it is what Eric Swalwell is talking about. I don't know who's talking to him on the elliptical, but Lisa Murkowski has said this publicly, that she's scared for personal safety. And you know that Joni Ernst didn't want to vote for Pete Hegseth. And you know that Todd Young didn't want to vote for Tulsi Gabbard or that Bill Cassidy didn't want to vote for RFK Jr. There is a culture on the right where people are intimidated and they do feel like they could be physically attack them or their family if they don't.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do it, that means it's not real.

[Katie Pavlich]

What does that mean?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Anybody says there's a culture, there's a toxic culture.

[Dana Perino]

Trump.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's not real.

[Dana Perino]

That's shot. Jessica. That's shot.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay.

[Dana Perino]

He's not scared. He got shot.

[Katie Pavlich]

Well, that's pretty. And he got up and it's pretty mad.

[Jessica Tarloff]

He's a big man.

[Dana Perino]

You almost shot him twice.

[Jesse Watters]

Okay.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Where is that kid, though?

[Katie Pavlich]

Thank God he's okay. All right, ahead, the media can't seem to figure out who is behind the drop in murder rates and fentanyl seizures. But don't worry, we'll give them a hint.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You can see it from the.

[Jesse Watters]

Media. Seems to be utterly dumbfounded by these two trends. According to top crime data analysts, murder rates are tumbling across the US in 2025. So homicides are down at least 20% over last year. And we could be on course for the lowest number on record. We had our producers check and the three major nightly news outlets didn't even mention this. And that's not the only story that's stumping the press. Check out this headline from the Washington Post. The Mysterious drop in Fentanyl seizures on the U.S. mexican. Now, who could possibly be behind such a policy success? Greg, I know you always look at these numbers in a very fair way.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I do, and I will be generous here and say the murder rate dropping is likely from a number of factors. But there is one factor that is undeniable and that is the attention paid to crime, which did not exist before. Who was talking about crime? This show. And Trump, meanwhile, who was in denial of it and gaslighting us about crime rates? Democrats and the media. So this is an incredible shift that now we're focused on crime and the victims. It wasn't long ago when we were sitting in our studio listening to pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon. That was outside. That was outside my window. Downtown we had Democrats decriminalizing grand larceny in California, getting rid of cash bail, letting recidivists criminals out on the street. So that's the crime piece. The mysterious drop in fentanyl is because incentives and disincentives are mysterious to the media. If you shut down the border, of course you're gonna reduce drug trade. Just like if you stop eating crap, you're gonna lose weight. And if you go to the gym, you're gonna get stronger. And if you turn off the view, you'll get smarter. All of it's connected. It's a simple incentive logic.

[Jesse Watters]

How do you see it? Katie, I know you live in D.C. we live here in New York. And D.C. has been a hotbed of criminal activity for a long time. Are things better there, do you think?

[Katie Pavlich]

It's definitely gotten better, for sure. And it's interesting because the D.C. mayor, who is a Democrat, has been quietly working with the Trump administration to clean up the city and to reduce crime. They've had a big problem there with teenagers committing crime, which is a whole other problem. But there's a thing called deterrence. And when you have harsh penalties for criminals, which the Trump administration does on a federal level, they tend to commit fewer crimes, which means crime goes down and people can enjoy their neighborhoods. When you're helping to embolden police rather than going against them at every turn, tend to be able to make more arrests and put bad guys in jail. You have local federal partnerships between DOJ and local law enforcement happening all along the border and in big cities. And when you talk to the criminals and you listen to what they say in interviews from federal prison, they say, if I knew I'd be charged with a federal crime where there are harsher penalties, there are more felonies, then I know that I'm going to probably commit fewer crimes. So just the attitude of the Trump administration combined with the resources they've put on the ground in places, D.C. new York, Louisiana, but just generally around the country, has helped reduce crime.

[Jesse Watters]

Jessica, take your pick. Do you want to talk about fentanyl crime numbers overall?

[Jessica Tarloff]

Cbo I think we could do it all together and I've been told I only have one minute, so I'm going to do it really fast. I think that there is this feeling that you have to defend your party and say, well, the trend line started with us. That's fine, that is objectively true, but you've got to take the layup when you get it. And so many voters turn to the Republican Party because they felt like the reality of how they were feeling in their homes, in their home cities or wherever they are wasn't being addressed. So I think that you should give the flowers when it's deserved. Certainly on border crossings like Biden was three years too late on that. And we're going to be talking about this more and more in the coming months, the New York City mayoral election. But you can explain a lot of what's going on with Andrew Cuomo's popularity and due to the fact that he talks more like a Republican about crime and safety or at least a centrist Republican than anyone else in the race.

[Jesse Watters]

Jesse, do you think the media doesn't help Democrats by like ignoring these things? You know what I mean?

[Dana Perino]

They think they're helping by covering up, but they're actually just delaying a longer term problem. Do you remember when Acosta flew down to the border and stood next to the wall and said, look, look, there's no illegals crossing. Look, Trump's wrong, there's no illegals crossing here. It's cuz there was a stupid wall there, you idiot. This is the same thing the Washington Post is doing. It's A mystery that these fentanyl seizures. I'm almost embarrassed that I work in this industry.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I am. I'm embarrassed for you.

[Dana Perino]

No, I'm embarrassed for the other people in the industry. Not for us, for the other people.

[Jesse Watters]

All right, the fastest is up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Is there a killer?

[Jessica Tarloff]

Welcome back. Watch out for grandma's brownies. Boomers. Marijuana use has grown to the highest it's ever been, with about 7% of seniors saying they've choked. Really? I didn't read the script. I guess I would in the past month. 7%. It feels like it should be higher, Greg, but this is a radical uptick.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Two things I want to make a point on. I'll shut up. One, I love these stories because Dana hates the stock footage of showing people smoking dope.

[Jesse Watters]

It just bugs. Oh, God. Ever since 14 years ago. Remember when the show first started?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, you hate it. But you know what adults can enjoy? Old people can enjoy whatever they want. This is like a martini. The problem with weed is if you do it before you do anything in life, if you decide to get to start smoking weed, anything you want to accomplish by your age 28 won't happen until you're 38. You're going to lose 10 years. So if you want to smoke weed, wait till you're 50 or 60. But if you do a young man, you're gonna screw yourself. That's my advice.

[Jesse Watters]

I agree with that. I like that. I kind of want to say, everyone, do whatever you need. I know that sometimes it can help with whatever ailment is. Something like, if it's medicinal. Great. Just don't drive or we will take your keys away.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Or leave joints for dogs to eat.

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah, so throw them on the ground. But I don't think old people are throwing them on the ground.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, they're doing gummies.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Yeah, Jesse, enlighten us.

[Dana Perino]

No, I agree with Greg. I mean, that's the time to do it when you're retired. Not before you're retired, but after you retired. Take a gummy, eat a brownie.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, whatever you want.

[Dana Perino]

When can I retire?

[Jessica Tarloff]

Tonight.

[Katie Pavlich]

Okay, so for the few people who are doing this, they're just reliving the 70s, you know, they're so nostalgic about their youth.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And they're in their 70s. Reliving their 70s.

[Katie Pavlich]

Exactly. There you go. So that's what they're doing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's so funny to think about that. Like, we think that we still think old people as old people, but they were Woodstock.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah, they were.

[Jessica Tarloff]

They were cooler.

[Jesse Watters]

Beckle used to Tell us that weed of today is much different from the weed of then.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, you've seen a lot of mental illness on the streets because of it.

[Dana Perino]

And in the studio.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, that's true. Did you see Brit Hume?

[Jessica Tarloff]

Oh, man, leave Brit alone. One More Thing's up next.

[Jesse Watters]

H O T O T o. You can take me home.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Talks go on. One more thing tonight. Oh, what a show I got. You know the amazingly talented Brian Kilmeade, C.J. pearson, Kennedy and Tyrus. I know. Let's do this.

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Famed director Michael Moore was at a national park and decided to stop in for a snack. Little did he know that the grocery store was very small and he couldn't get around. But he did his best anyway, knocking over things. He did some damage, but as you know, Michael Moore always pays the bill when he screws things up. Dana.

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah, well, okay. Last night, the Francine Lafrac center for well Being was open. It's a 13,000 square foot center equipped with fitness mental health facilities. That's to help women lead healthy, independent lives. And it opened with a great performance by a friend of mine, musician and singer, songwriter J.T. harding, and the cast of. So congratulations, Francine. Well deserved.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's fracking great. Jesse.

[Dana Perino]

The Colombians.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

You know what I say, Greg? They know how to party.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's true.

[Dana Perino]

Look at them out there throwing 20,000 tomatoes all over the place. The Grand Tomatina Festival, now in its 15th year. We're gonna send Johnny next year.

[Jesse Watters]

I can't believe they didn't compost that.

[Dana Perino]

No, they did not compost it. Tonight, Jesse Waters, primetime. The binder turns Jon Joe Biden, 8 o' clock.

[Jessica Tarloff]

Jessica, I'm mad about that story, but we can talk about it tomorrow. Summer hasn't officially started yet, but it's already unbearably hot in some parts of the country. See what I did there? Check out this black bear cooling off at a beach in Naples, Florida. Not really the predator you would think to worry about in the ocean, but black bears are actually native in half of the Sunshine State.

[Katie Pavlich]

Oh, they are?

[Jessica Tarloff]

So if you're headed to the beach in southwest Florida, pack your beach bag with bear spray in addition to your sunblock.

[Katie Pavlich]

Watch your cooler because they'll get into it. All right, here's more animal news, a story that's both wild and unexpected. A pet zebra is on the loose in Christiana, Tennessee, after making an appearance on a local road. This video is captured by a bystander. The zebra was seen galloping along road Saturday, causing a stir authorities still looking for the zebra after this.

[Jesse Watters]

They can't find it.

[Katie Pavlich]

Owner's property. So watch out for the zebra. And they're not very nice, so be careful.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He's hiding in a Foot Locker.

[Katie Pavlich]

No, no, no.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's it for us. Have a great night. From the Fox News Podcasts Network.

[Jesse Watters]

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[Jessica Tarloff]

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[Jesse Watters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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