Trans MN Shooter Kills 2 Children, Injures 18

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Five

Episode Title: Trans MN Shooter Kills 2 Children, Injures 18
Date: August 28, 2025
Host & Panel: Dana Perino, Trey Gowdy, Jessica Tarlov, Joey Jones, Greg Gutfeld

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Five centers on the aftermath of a tragic shooting at a Catholic church in Minneapolis, where two young children were killed and 18 others injured. The panel analyzes the event's implications, focusing on discussions around the shooter's trans identity, reactions from politicians, and debates over gun control versus mental health. The show also addresses broader political tensions, public safety, and cultural topics, maintaining its trademark blend of sharp banter, passionate disagreement, and pointed commentary.

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Main Segments & Discussion Highlights

1. Minneapolis Church Shooting: Tragedy and Political Fallout

[00:34 – 13:37]

• Incident Recap:
  Dana Perino introduces the story: two children (8 and 10) killed and 18 injured at Annunciation Catholic Church—FBI classifying the attack as domestic terrorism and hate crime. The shooter is identified as Robin Westman, a trans individual. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey’s defense of the trans community sparks debate.

• Media and Political Reactions:
  The hosts highlight responses from Democrats and the media, with some criticizing reliance on "thoughts and prayers" and questioning broader crime strategies.

  • Greg Gutfeld ([02:41]) delivers a heated monologue, blaming media, educators, and politicians for fostering a "trans cult" mindset, arguing that identity politics led to tragedy:

    "The most compassionate people on this planet are trying to stop the trans delusion... Politicians, activists, teachers. You built this... You created a poisonous program that twisted young minds for destruction."
    (Greg Gutfeld, 03:08)

  • Trey Gowdy ([05:08]) emphasizes the inherent futility in seeking a motive:

    "You will be frustrated trying to find the why. There is nothing that explains... there is no explanation ever for taking the life of a child."

• Gun Control vs Mental Health:

  • Jessica Tarlov ([06:13]) stresses the importance of practical action on weapons access, citing the shooter’s own words about the ease of legally obtaining firearms:

    "...in this notebook as well, the shooter said that it was, quote, shockingly easy to get these guns legally, to go to a pawn shop and to buy them."
    (Jessica Tarlov, 07:30)

  • Joey Jones ([09:10]) counters that mental health—particularly around trans identity—needs stricter consideration in gun sales, critiquing Democrats:

    "You want me to prove I'm not evil to own a gun, but I'm a bigot? Because I want you to prove you're not crazy because you want to change your identity... That's the right of 350 million Americans. It's protected in the Constitution."
    (Joey Jones, 09:29)

• Debate on Political Exploitation:

  • The group fiercely debates the efficacy and sincerity of various policy responses, targeting each other's perceived partisan motives.

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2. Gavin Newsom and Trump: The 2024(+) Political Theater

[13:37 – 23:26]

• Newsom’s Rhetoric & Trump’s Shadow:
  The panel analyzes California Governor Gavin Newsom's emotional warnings about Trump not leaving office, with a recurring satire on Newsom's body language and "crazy hands."

  • Trey Gowdy ([19:50]) on Newsom’s authenticity:

    "He is so disingenuous. I call him the Colorado River. A mile wide and an inch deep... Newsom clearly, Trump is inside Gavin Newsom's head."

• California’s Challenges:

  • The panel skewers Newsom’s alleged lack of substantive results on crime, homelessness, and public services, contrasting his performative condemnation of Trump with local failings.

  • Jessica Tarlov ([20:52]) defends California’s progress:

    "Crime and homelessness is down in California. I'm not saying that if he is the nominee that there won't be a sea of photos... but, you know, you say Gavin Newsom needs to focus on California stuff."

• If Roles Were Reversed:
  Tarlov initiates a "what if" roleplay—imagining Democratic presidents acting as Trump does, foreseeing conservative outrage (22:11–23:34).

  • Jessica Tarlov ([23:13]):

    "Exactly what Donald Trump is doing, but in the form of Barack Obama... Let's play this dystopian universe forever."

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3. Crime, Policing, and the “Hoagie Hurler” Case

[24:34 – 33:00]

• National Guard Surge in D.C.:

  • Trump is credited with a "safer" D.C. following an arrest surge and homelessness camp clear-outs. Even Democrat Mayor Muriel Bowser expresses gratitude:

    "We greatly appreciate the surge of officers... this is what we think in just a couple of weeks of experience has worked."
    (Muriel Bowser, 25:10)

• Sandwich Incident Debated:

  • A Justice Dept. employee throwing a sandwich at police becomes fodder for a debate on the severity of charges and broader crime policy.
  • Trey Gowdy ([26:02]):

    "You can indict a ham sandwich. You just can't indict a hoagie..."

• Federal Intervention in Big Cities:

  • The segment concludes with cautious optimism about police presence and a humorous aside about National Guard “beefy men” making cities safer.

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4. Culture Segment: The “Himbro” and the Male Voter

[33:42 – 37:33]

• Democrat Search for Male Appeal:
  A New York Times article posits the party’s new male ideal: "beefy, placid, and politically ambiguous."

  • Greg Gutfeld ([34:18]):

    "You continually try to redefine the male, but it's your filter for reality that is so damaged it's driven males away."

  • Joey Jones ([35:30]):

    "That's a Republican is what that is... he's not letting you know his politics, it's because he wants to take you on another date, and he's afraid you're going to get mad when he starts talking about his guns."

• Panel’s Consensus:
  They deride attempts to manufacture voter appeal and recommend authenticity over stereotypes.

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5. Light Segment: Back Scratchers and Small Joys

[37:52 – 39:44]

• The team chats about the growing back-scratcher “wellness” trend, with nostalgic and humorous stories from their own families.

  • Greg Gutfeld ([38:22]):

    "I used to get paid by my dad to scratch his head for...was it 10 cents a minute?...It is incredibly relaxing and stress and stress reducing. But it's also kind of creepy."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Root of Mass Shootings:

  "The origin of the evil... lies in the creation of a mindset that indulged a delusional self ruining connections with fellow human beings."
  (Greg Gutfeld, 04:03)

• On Motive in Mass Killings:

  "There is nothing that explains. So what if you are troubled? Then guilt kill yourself, which ultimately this person did. Do it on the front end; don't do it after you take the lives of people who have done absolutely nothing to you."
  (Trey Gowdy, 05:12)

• On Gun Policy:

  "If you want to save children's lives, pay attention to what President Trump's doing...because 5% of guns used in 4% of homicides. Banning those. No, that's bullcrap. That's partisan political. That is not saving children."
  (Joey Jones, 12:34)

• On Political Double Standards:

  "Let's pretend a Democratic president did or said this...Meltdown. Four day news cycle. At the very least."
  (Jessica Tarlov, 21:44)

• On Redefining Male Voters:

  "We were never interested in politics...When politics started to blame men as toxic. We know when we're not wanted. We're out of here. So good luck."
  (Greg Gutfeld, 34:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Incident and Context: [00:34 – 04:44]
• Motive & Mental Health: [04:44 – 06:09]
• Gun Control Debate: [06:13 – 13:37]
• Newsom & Trump Segment: [13:37 – 23:26]
• D.C. Crime, National Guard: [24:34 – 33:00]
• Democrats and Male Voters: [33:42 – 37:33]
• Back Scratcher Banter: [37:52 – 39:44]

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Final Thoughts

This episode of The Five captures the complexity and emotional charge surrounding mass shootings, debates about identity politics, and ongoing national divides over gun control and public safety. The show blends personal, policy, and political perspectives—sometimes with heated exchanges, often with humor—as hosts grapple with what concrete solutions, if any, would prevent future tragedies and what values should animate American society.

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Transcript

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[Dana Perino]

Hello everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Trey Gowdy, Jessica Tarlov, Joey Jones and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five Heartbreak in Minneapolis, a community holding candlelight vigils for the victims of yesterday's horrific shooting at annunciation Catholic Church. Two children, ages 8 and 10, murdered as they sat praying in the pews. Eighteen others injured. The FBI is investigating it as domestic terrorism and a hate crime against Catholics. And we are now learning more about the gunman. Robin Westman, who previously went by Robert before his mother, asked the court for an official name change, saying her son identified as female. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, wasting no time rushing to defend the trans community.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Anybody who is using this as using this as an opportunity to villainize our trans community or any other community out there has lost their sense of common for anyone. We should be operating from a place.

[Trey Gowdy]

Of love for our kids.

[Dana Perino]

MSNBC's Jen Psaki using the shooting to attack Trump's DC crackdown. She tweeted this when kids are getting shot in their pews at a Catholic school mass and your crime plan is to have National Guard put mulch down around D.C. maybe rethink your strategy. Psaki was joined by other Democrats who the media and the media who think that prayer in a moment like this is useless. Like clockwork. Half the politicians in our country have little more to offer than thoughts and prayers. That is all they are offering.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Thoughts and prayers just aren't enough here right now because these kids were actually praying. At the end of the day, thoughts.

[Joey Jones]

And prayers have led us to having more of these deaths, more of these shootings.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Keep us in your thoughts and prayers, but also keep us in the thoughts for action.

[Dana Perino]

Okay Greg, I'm going to go to you because when this all was happening I thought, wow, okay. This feels like something Greg either predicted or could have told you was going to happen again.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. This is why none of these a holes can lecture anyone on compassion. The most compassionate people on this planet are trying to stop the trans delusion. The least compassionate are the People in the media, academia and politicians who enabled this hysteria of horror. What is so glaring about the trans cult? Apparently your identity is the only thing that matters. Until you do something awful, then it's the least important variable. Then you look at everything else. You talk about guns, but you suddenly it's all of a sudden like, oh, we can't talk about that. What was it? The, the. The other trans shoot hid her identity in this manifesto that this creep wrote. He said he was tired of being trans and that he had wished he had never brainwashed himself. What more do you need? Straight from the monster's mouth. Politicians, activists, teachers. You built this. You could have listened to the warnings. We were talking about this on this show for years. You amplified a hysterical, a hysterical, literally hysterical phenomenon that was going no place good. You created a poisonous program that twisted young minds for destruction. A nihilistic place to be when you deny biology and they have nowhere to go. So all of these media arguments, what you're seeing there among those people, it's to escape their own culpability and the reality that they created. So forget the layer of mental illness and gun control. The origin of the evil. The evil lies in the creation of a mindset that indulged a delusional self ruining connections with fellow human beings. So that trans by ascribing extreme aggrieved mentality then gets directed against society. So this person feels justified in killing children. His killing resulted from that ideology. And if you don't believe that, you. You're one dumb asshole.

[Dana Perino]

Excuse me, Trey Gowdy, great to have you on the show. As a former prosecutor, one of the things that you would have looked at in an investigation is a motive. And for some people who commit crimes, it's like, oh well, obviously the motive is this. And all of a sudden a situation like this, or in Nashville, it's like, gosh, we have to search around, look everywhere, turn over rocks to see if we can find a motive. When it feels pretty clear.

[Trey Gowdy]

Yeah, Dana, rational people always want to know why. I mean, we are wired to want to understand who in the world could possibly hurt a child, who could go to the most innocent safe haven, a place that literally calls out for broken people to come, which is church, and hurt the most innocent people among us. I can just tell you, Dana, you will be frustrated trying to find the why. There is nothing that explains. So what if you are troubled? Then guilt kill yourself, which ultimately this person did. Do it on the front end, don't do it after you take the lives of People who have done absolutely nothing to you. I do understand. Look, I did it, and I wanted to know why. But when you hear the why, whether it's Sandy Hook, whether it's Uvalde, whether it's Las Vegas, you're still left wondering. Well, that doesn't help me explain why you murdered, took innocent lives. So, yes, pursue the motive only to stop the next mass shooting, but there is no explanation ever for taking the life of a child.

[Dana Perino]

Just got to get your thoughts this morning. Afternoon. It's been a long day.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You have been here since very early indeed and on a very sad day. And it was just a few weeks ago where we sat here and said, this is my worst nightmare, right? That you're at your office building just a few blocks away from here, and someone walks across a New York City plaza wielding an enormous gun and walks in and shoots you. But actually, it's been one upped because your worst nightmare is that your child is murdered at school or in a house of worship. And I cannot even imagine what these families are going through. And we're all thinking of them. I thought that the press conference from the police chief was great. I thought he was very assertive, answering every question that he could. And there were two critical components that I think explain exactly what happened here. One, the shooter was obsessed with killing children. I do not know how it's possible that that was not a red flag that someone raised, just someone who is that obsessed with it that they have been creating, you know, fanfic with the names of past mass shooters on it. And we talk about that as well. Greg, you know, you're always on top of the glorification of these mass shooters. You know, if you, you know, I had Justin Timberlake on my wall. If you have Adam Lanza on your wall, somebody should have known that maybe this mom who seems to have a very active role in her child's life. The second most important thing is that in this notebook as well, the shooter said that it was, quote, shockingly easy to get to get these guns legally, to go to a pawn shop and to buy them. And you brought this up yesterday when you were speaking about this, Trey, that at a certain point, there has to be an action item, and that has to revolve around the access to guns. This actually falls directly into the wheelhouse of where President Trump wants to be. When Big Balls was attacked a few weeks ago, he didn't say thoughts and prayers. He said, I'm sending in the National Guard. The National Guard for this is to make sure. That you cannot buy a gun if you are someone like this in a pawn shop and do it legally. It gets rid of the boyfriend loophole. It makes sure that you can't go to gun shows. It brings back the assault weapons ban that did a tremendous amount of good and saved lives in this country, only to see those numbers spikes spike back up when it was sunsetted in 2004. Those are the relevant issues to this. It's easy to get guns and that this person is a maniac who should have never been allowed on the streets.

[Dana Perino]

Could I have you just comment, though? Also the Democrats rallying around this idea that prayers were not good enough.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Listen, I, I think that the point that they were trying to make was a. That these children were in the midst of praying. This wasn't about a community that didn't feel like prayer mattered. I think their point is, and my point would be as well, that you pray and you think for people and it is important to acknowledge the pain and suffering that folks are going through, but you also take decisive action. And the action here is to make sure that this shooter did not have those guns that they obtained in their own words, shockingly easily.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah, you'd be easy to make sure they didn't have those guns if you treated transgender identity problems as mental health problems, which is exactly what it is. I'm sorry, you don't. You want me to prove I'm not evil to own a gun, but I'm a bigot? Because I want you to prove you're not crazy because you want to change your identity. Those two things don't line up for you. I don't get that. 5%. 20 million AR style guns in this country. 20 million of 400 million guns in this country, only 4% of guns used in homicide or rifles. And that's a much bigger category than. Than ar. So what you're saying is you want me to ban 5% of the guns in this country that are used in 4% of the homicides, and that's going to save our kids? No. Is it going to stop incidents like this? Probably not, because they're already out there. Is it going to stop Democrats from using incidents like this to find some linchpin to raise money and create fear and maybe win election? No, they're not going to stop either because they still, they still say that we want to prevent gay people from getting married. And that's been buried for a long time. What it's going to do is it's going to stop people from like me from going and buying a gun from someone I know to be law abiding to use to hunt with or protect my house or you know, what to relieve stress with. Because it's been a long day and I want to go shoot a target. That's my right. That's the right of 350 million Americans. It's protected in the Constitution. If you want to take a flip side of this, you said that the National Guard for these incidents is gun control. How about I tell you this? 183 kids died in Illinois last year on average. So could have been more last year from gun violence. More than half of those were handguns. Let's see, 20, 20 a year die in D.C. most of those handguns since 1999. Since, since. Well, let's go back to 1999 because that's Columbine. So just over the last 25 years, that means 250 children died in D.C. from gun violence, mostly handguns. In that same period of time, less than 210 children died in what we would call a mass shooting. And not all of those were from an ar. Why do I bring this up? It's not in some major defense of AR. It's to say the Democrats are absolutely 100% not at all concerned with saving the lives of children. Because if you are, you're going to President Trump right now and saying, God, please bring the National Guard to Chicago. 183 kids a year die from gun violence, most of them handguns. And just because of DC versus Heller and the Bruin rule, handguns are the most constitutionally protected gun out there. What's that mean? It means Democrats can't go after them. They've tried to. It failed. The Supreme Court said, nope, you have the right to carry them. So now they're going to go after 5% of guns used in 4% of homicides at best. Because that's the political win. But the actual win that's saving children's lives is what Trump's doing in D.C. right now. The actual wind saving children's lives is mandating fortification of our most precious individuals in this country. What's the average salary of a police officer? What, $50,000? Not even that in most rural places. We can't pony up to put an RSO at every school to make sure every school has an armed guard out front of it. No, that makes our gun feel like prisons. Okay, well, you know what? You don't like the National Guard picking up trash in D.C. you'd rather it look like A wasteland with people crapping their pants right in front of the Capitol. If we're looking at optics here, you know, I would like to not walk past the drug using trash. I walk past to get to my hotel. I wouldn't mind an armed guard. I've got respect for that person. If you want to save children's lives, pay attention to what President Trump's doing. Pay attention to this narrative about closing the border. Pay, pay attention to this narrative about fortifying the places like schools that matter because 5% of guns used in 4% of homicides. Banning those. No, that's bullcrap. That's partisan political. That is not saving children.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Of that 4%, I think you'd be singing a different tune.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah, but my kid isn't so lucky.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You. Yeah, but there are families right now that are greedy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Absolutely.

[Joey Jones]

I'll go to bed tonight and thank God on my knees that don't exist anymore, that my child is still alive. And any Democrat politician that says I'm wrong for that, that anyone's wrong for praying, God help you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, now you play the leg card and I can say no more.

[Dana Perino]

All right, up next, Gavin Newsom loses his cool and warns President Trump won't be leaving office.

[Joey Jones (continued)]

I have two dozen Trump 2028 hats his folks keep sending me.

[Trey Gowdy]

She's left me somewhere south of sanity.

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Gavin Newsom is screaming that Trump ain't leaving. Wake up.

[Joey Jones (continued)]

Everybody wake up.

[Joey Jones]

Let me ask you about a couple.

[Joey Jones (continued)]

Man, I know I it's impolite. We have to be more calm and demure.

[Joey Jones]

A couple of your.

[Joey Jones (continued)]

But I'm not calm. And I'm not going to submit myself to niceties, not when this guy's trying to wreck our country. This is simply the most destructive and damaging individual in my lifetime. That happens to be the president United States. I don't think Donald Trump wants another election. You think for a second you want. I have two dozen Trump 20, 28 hats his folks keep sending me. Who spends $200 million on a ballroom at their home and then leaves.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is the best sending him hats. I'm going to send him hats. Helicopter hands was also smearing ice as Trump's personal army.

[Joey Jones (continued)]

You have the largest private police force in the world, when they're done with this. All that funding and that big, beautiful portrayal allows more resources for this private police force that increasingly is showing a tendency not to swear an oath to the Constitution, but to the President of the United States. And he'll be sending them to voting booths and polling places all across this country.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right. You know, I saw quite possibly one of my favorite pieces of tape, Dana, of all time. I know that we often, like, we, we watch Gavin for his crazy hands. Trump called him out on his crazy hands, and now Gavin's got issues with his hands. Let's roll this tape and just watch how he's gripping with your life, his hands and his little thumb. His little thumb is trying to escape, but he's like, I can't do it. He's got his, he's got his left hand locked with the right hand. Somebody told him to do this. And it's like. But he kept that little thumb, the little thumbs going.

[Dana Perino]

All of them have their hands like that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, exactly.

[Dana Perino]

The thumbs are moving. So weird.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Nobody. He's trying to. Now Trump is in his brain over his hands. The question is, will he be able to control himself?

[Dana Perino]

Well, you know, when he talks about the big, beautiful betrayal, that's a decent line. Like, it's fine. But then I think, well, one of the reasons we're having the, the deep, the border issues in terms of increasing the number of police and law enforcement and ice is because of the big, beautiful betrayal at the border. Yeah, that's what happened. And they don't seem to get that. I think it's interesting that he didn't seem to show up in Minneapolis for the DNC meeting. Right. Because that's like, nobody wants to deal with that. It was so bad, even he knew to stay away from that. But he is talking about authoritarianism when he won't put forward the money to deal with Prop 36. This was a bill that passed in California, not a bill. What do you call those things? Proposals. Thank you. Prop 36, that's in the name. I should have known it. 70% of the Californians that voted for it. So that's obviously a bipartisan group, wanted the crime penalties to be returned to where they were before. 70%. And they're not implementing it. It's not being executed so that they can do all of these other things. To me, that's a betrayal.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, that's a great point. You know the one that when I, when I see him, Joey, I go like, I, I. He's really good when he's passionate, but he only, he doesn't have passion for the, the issues, whether it's crime, homelessness, you know, fire, you know, the natural disasters. But he has his passion for Trump. Does he not realize that? Does not trans. That doesn't help the people in California. Why does he have that passion?

[Joey Jones]

His passion is to run for and be president. And he thinks criticizing Trump is his path there. I think it's, I think it's quite telling when your best strategy to get someone to vote for you is telling them how bad the opponent is. And that's where Democrats are right now. Because the issues, they're, they're believed positions, their traditional positions, the positions the Democrat platform and any mold you put it in, the positions they take aren't popular with Americans right now because President Trump has thrown this big populist tent. He's changed where conservatives and Republicans land on a lot of things and he's taking the wind out of their sails. You know, if I'm Gavin Newsom, I think he said something about Trump won't leave office. You know, he's worried about him extending his time. Bro, if it takes you 25 years to fail at a 10 year plan to end homelessness, like if you did get in the White House, we're eight years down the road before you even consider leaving that too. So it's a Gavin Newsom problem. Just real quick, he's talking all this stuff about Trump. He's trying to be Trump on. He's got a team of people trying to make him Trump on social media. I got a text today from a friend that's in law enforcement. I'm trying to keep identity completely closed here. Long story short, Indian immigrant couldn't speak English, crashed and burned. Shut down the interstate today. Guess where he got a cdl? California.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Joey Jones]

Maybe Gavin Newsom needs to focus on some California stuff right now. Just maybe.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. Trade. Do you think that like he's now kind of developed, He's a one act performer and the act is Trump. Do you think that's going to carry him with? As Dana says, he doesn't implement anything. He's done nothing for the state, high unemployment, people moving.

[Trey Gowdy]

Greg, he is so disingenuous. I call him the Colorado River. A mile wide and an inch deep. But I think we got to be fair to him. He does have passion. He had passion for his chief of staff's wife. Yes, yes, I did say that. He had passion for the French Laundry during COVID lockdowns. He got passion for saints. We square cities for cdl, for people who can't read. I love the contrast of what Gavin Newsom stands for versus whoever comes after President Trump if he opts not to run for reelection. News. Clearly, Trump is inside Gavin Newsom's head. Now. The problem is he's rolling around and he's lonely because there's not a lot else there. Look, get over President Trump. He's got you, Gavin. Get over it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. Jessica, he does put the lib in glib. Thank you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You're welcome.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. Do you still. Do you think he can, like, you praise him for this kind of like, in your face stuff? But what does he have to back it up?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, crime and homelessness is down in California. I'm not saying that if he is the nominee that there won't be a sea of photos and, you know, accounts of what it was like living in California.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But, you know, the training in the right doctored. We know that. We've gone through that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right, so everything is bad. But, you know, you say Gavin Newsom needs to focus on California stuff. This redistricting fight is California stuff because of what Donald Trump asked of Texas. And he's a political issue.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But it doesn't affect.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It does. Well, it does.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, it doesn't. It doesn't rebuild homes. It doesn't get the druggies off the street. It's just about. How can I read. It doesn't.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, it does because there are millions of Californians on Medicaid that need to be able to keep their health care if the GOP takes them, keeps them. All right. Anyway, I would just. I'd like to do an experiment.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Jessica Tarlov]

So let's play. Let's pretend a Democratic president did or said this. So it could be Joe Biden, Barack Obama, whoever you like. Pick them. Let's say that he came out and said, I have the right to do anything I want to do. I'm the President of the United States. Meltdown. Four day news cycle. At the very least, tried to steal a free and fair election, even though you lost by about 7 million votes, paraded your attorneys into courtrooms, lost. I'm glad you love it, though, because I enjoy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You are still living in that world where. No, I understand how Trump talks. We like.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Did you understand? No, no, no.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We like what he does.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You understand what he did on January 6th.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We heard January 6th. Really? Did that happen? I think let's litigate that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You have a January six every single day in a liberal city.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I'm, I'm happy you didn't get hanged. Okay. Let's say a Democratic president had absolutely no respect for Congress. A co. Equal branch appropriating funds, right to determine tariff policy. You'd be saying, what is this? This isn't what the Constitution wanted. Let's say that a Democrat was. Yes, you would.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, I would.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Then you're a bad constitutionalist. Oh, let's say that a Democrat was deploying the National Guard to cities controlled by Republicans. Let's say that a Democratic president was shaking down private businesses and saying, give me 10% of intel and maybe I'll make things more favorable.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's shaking down.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes, you're, let's say, a veneer of.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Bias to every one of these things, and then you expect us to agree with it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Exactly what Donald Trump is doing, but in the form of Barack obama. On the 11th anniversary of tan Suit Gate, I might add. Let's say a Democratic president said, I would like to control what goes in our museums. I would like to control American life on campus.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We could play this dystopian universe forever, but it's now 5:27.

[Jessica Tarlov]

They're saying, sorry, we have to go. But you know that if a Democratic president was doing any of these things.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You can't read my mind.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Outrage. I do. I know you well enough.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes, I know you very well.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Typical chick.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh, all right. You have now absolutely gone too far.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But you're a real chick. Okay, up next, the hoagie Hurler beats the rap check their new game day fit.

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[Joey Jones]

Democrats can deny it all they want, but our nation's capital, well, it's a much safer place. And that's thanks to President Trump. There's been nearly 1300 arrests since the start of his National Guard surge in Washington, D.C. nine gang members busted and 50 homeless camps cleared. But the president can only do so much to fix the crime. A D.C. grand jury refused to indict the infamous Hoagie Hurler on felony charges. The former Justice Department employee seen on camera throwing his sandwich at the chest of federal officers. But even D.C. s Democrat mayor, well, she's given Trump props.

[Muriel Bowser]

We greatly appreciate the surge of officers that enhance what MPD has been able to do in this city. This is what we think in just a couple of weeks of experience has worked having more federal law enforcement officers on the street. We think having more stops that got to illegal guns has helped.

[Joey Jones]

Trey, I want to go to you first on this. You know my initial reaction, I saw. I've seen Judge Deneen on, on TV talking about this. Obviously, they decided to go maximum penalty or maximum charges of this guy. A part of me says I'm. I kind of want to live in a country where you don't get indicted for a felony for throwing a sandwich at somebody. Like, a part of me says, okay, I'm okay with that.

[Trey Gowdy]

You know, Joy, I prosecuted successfully someone for throwing an iced tea cup at a DEA agent. Not, Not a glass, not. Not plastic, paper cup. I think you send the message, even if you don't get an indictment, that you're going to have to hire a lawyer, you're going to have to post bond, you're going to have an unsettling two weeks. But we're willing to lose even to protect cops. I think it actually sends the right message. Now, look, it's hard to lose an indictment. Like, really, really hard. You have to try to lose an indictment, literally. You can indict a ham sandwich. You just can't indict a hoagie. But I still think the police presence is exactly why. Look at the guns. Like Democrats don't like guns. We just talked about that. Gun control, the guns off the street because of the presence of police. You got Muriel Bowser praising Donald Trump. That's a sign of the apocalypse. Joey.

[Joey Jones]

Lord, I hope not. I got stuff that is hunting season. I need some more time. Jessica, you were saying in the break how much you love what's happening. You're thinking about moving to D.C. and how handsome these men are. These mostly men, National Guard walking around in their camouflage. It doesn't feel authoritarian at all. They're picking up trash. Elaborate on that a little bit.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I love a big man picking up trash.

[Trey Gowdy]

There we go.

[Joey Jones]

They're only vehicles or National Guard. Marines will be a little slimmer, but that's a different story.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I like all law enforcement looks equal opportunity that way. Listen, Muriel Bowser has been striking this tone about the Trump administration since he came back into office. She knows she has to work with him. And from the day that he announced this, she even gestured towards the fact that she thought this is how it was going to go. She said, you know, we'll have to see, but, you know, I always welcome, you know, more police on the streets. The problem for the Trump administration is going to be the rollout of this plan to other cities that are not under federal control. D.C. is different. Right. If you're going to send in the National Guard to Chicago, when you have J.B. pritzker and Brandon Johnson standing there, the same thing that happened with Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass, it's a very different thing because not only are they not saying that there's an emergency there, they're telling you they object to you coming and they don't want it. What I would love in a perfect world, which would never happen, but maybe we should consider it if there could be some kind of broker deal where you say, here are some extra police officers, troops wherever, who are, you know, on standby, not being pulled away from states that have their own emergencies. And that's a point that people have been making that there are very, you know, high crime, high murder, Republican run states. But say, we want to assist you, we'll send you a thousand people to help out with this, and let's see if we can work together on it. And maybe a lesson can be taken from what Mariel Bowser is talking about in D.C. and applied elsewhere, but he can't storm Troop Illinois the same way you can to.

[Trey Gowdy]

To enforce federal laws.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah, it's a dual rating in those cities. It's funny, I didn't know Harold Ford was to going. Going to show up today. I mean, this is very kumbaya of you. I don't know how to react. The only way they react to that is to go to Greg real quick on that. It's kind of the. The political tactical genius of this is he doesn't need to send anyone to Chicago or New York. They can stand as a stark contrast and hopefully use that in the midterm.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. Or you just come out against, you know, you come out for crime. That's how stupid you look. This hoagie thing is interesting. You know, if I was given the choice to not be indicted over throwing a hoagie or be invited for indicted over a violent crime, I would take the violent crime because this is more humiliating. You know what this will be for? This is why he shouldn't have been indicted. What happened there is the most humiliating thing that could ever happen to a man attacking a police officer while leaving a sandwich. He will never be able to enjoy another sandwich without thinking about this. It will always be front of mind. It's like. It's like that time I got food poisoning and now I cannot have parmesan cheese. But I like how, I like how the crackdown is processed by the media and some Democrats. It's so alien to them. It's like they're watching street performers. It's like, oh, my goodness, what's going on here? If they're cracking down on crime and crime is reduced, I don't know if it's a crackdown that is so strange to them. It's the fact that people weren't willing to. To accept the status quo. It was like, hey, yeah, I get it. People push women in front of subways all the time and that. Remember that guy that set that woman on fire on the subway? That was terrible, too. But, you know, this is how you live in the city. This is what happens. Trump steps in and he goes, it doesn't have to be that way. There were times when there wasn't crime like this, and how you dealt with it was this way. And everybody's going, whoa, this is interesting. It never occurred to me you could stop this stuff that. In the. In the media going, wow, I don't understand this. I accepted this as a reality, and they aren't. How did that happen, Dana?

[Joey Jones]

If Muriel Bowser, I feel it's a little bit of a tail wagging a dog. She's saying, oh, this is successful. I need to jump on board and get credit for it. Like, how do you know?

[Dana Perino]

I think that what Jessica was mentioning is that even when Trump first came back, she had a different. She was like, okay, well, let's wait and see. Let's try to be cooperative. Judge Jeanine has said that when she first got there, it was one of the best meetings she had. They have a relationship where it's not necessarily like, they're buddies. Right. But they can have. They understand, like, I want to help you. I know you're here to help me. So Muriel Bowser is basically saying, I will let you help me. And I've always believed that local government is the hardest government. It's because you are the closest to your constituents. You see them in the grocery store, they're your neighbors. One thing I think that's interesting is after two and a half weeks, she is hearing probably from constituents, are like, we're okay with this, and it's okay. You know, we want more of this. And she's seen the news coverage. She's probably watching Fox News. And so I think the most important thing that the Trump administration can do is to give her some space to be the leader that she needs to be and wants to be, and to understand that she's got politics and constituents of her own that she has to deal with. So on the one. Yes, maybe you're going to hear her say one time like this feels a little heavy handed but at the same time she can say, however, we thank you because you've given us the space that we need in order to do this and our city could look different. On the homeless camps, 50 being cleared out is incredible because that's a terrible thing to have to walk by and I hope those people are getting the care that they need. One of the things that will matter to the Trump administration in my opinion is that Doug Burgum, the Secretary of Interior, oversees the national parks. Many of Those parks in D.C. are under the national jurisdiction and Department of Interior. Can he keep them from coming back? I don't. Even if the national guard leaves after 30 days, can that part hold? And the follow through will be important.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah. They do have their own branch of law enforcement. I've got a buddy that does that partially. Yeah. Interesting to see up next, the Democrats think sensitive but beefy bros who like Zoran Dakame that it's going to help them win. I don't know.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is Jimmy Phela inviting you to join me for Fox Across America where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats dumb ideas. Just kidding. It's only a three hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the [e-mail].

[Trey Gowdy]

Democrats have stumbled upon what they think is a solution to their problem with male voters. They manufactured a new role model. The bad news is this role model does not exist except in the mind of the New York Times. The Times magazine wrote a piece about the rise of so called him buggers. Check out their psycho babble. The new dream guy is beefy, placid and politically ambiguous. At first I thought they meant flaccid and I know Greg Gutfeld is taking medicine for that right now. But it's placid. Greg, do you have any idea what they're talking about? I don't know. Placid. Placid or flaccid?

[Greg Gutfeld]

They're mistaken in thinking that they actually have a choice in this. They don't. These, These. They'll be lucky if they get a substance abuser who might pay for half of dinner.

[Trey Gowdy]

It's.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I got to be frank with the Dems. It's not us, it's you. You continually try to redefine the mail, but it's your filter for reality that is so damaged it's driven males away. First you demanded that we assume your politics. Then when we fled you said, well, no, no, no, no, no. You really don't have to. You don't have to voice our politics. Be ambiguous about it. Be kind of dumb about it. Play dumb. No, we're not going to keep our mouths closed. We're done with your politics. We've said this before. We were never interested in politics. We didn't. We're not responsible for the Bud Light fiasco or the Cracker Barrel disaster. Those were all created by women. And when politics started to blame men as toxic. We know when we're not wanted. We're out of here. So good luck.

[Trey Gowdy]

All right, Joe, if I were you, I'd be offended because they said, handsome, strong, which you are, but they also said, can lift a tongue but can't spell one, that we're somehow dumb. Are you offended at the new role male model?

[Joey Jones]

You know, they said beefy, placid, and politically ambiguous. That's a Republican, is what that is. Because that means the placid is basically not easily upset. If a guy is in shape, he's not easily upset. And he's not letting you know his politics, it's because he wants to take you on another date, and he's afraid you're going to get mad when he starts talking about his guns. That's all it is.

[Trey Gowdy]

Speaking of getting mad, Dana, I am not a woman after resistors. Despite what Nancy May accuse me of, I'm not transgender either. I would be offended if I was a woman, that there's certain. There's some certain set of characteristics that we're not free to choose for ourselves what we find attractive. Or am I over reading?

[Dana Perino]

I think you're over reading it a lot. And I also think that politics doesn't matter, shouldn't matter in a relationship, but if it's important to you, then fine. The New York Times continues to write these things because they realize they're trying to help the Democrats, but they were the ones that fully embraced the life of Julia, and the life of Julia was meant to be that the government would be your partner, and that hasn't worked out so well.

[Trey Gowdy]

All right, Jessica, we got the. We got expertise from the New York Times about how to recapture male voters. What should they do? I really don't think it's this article.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I do not think it's this article either. I actually think it's no article. It's exit polls, and it's the interviews that were conducted right before the election and in the immediate aftermath, where people said, I'll take a flyer on the crazy guy. Because your party feels preachy and that's really all that it is. Just be yourself and don't try to conform to some stereotype if you can't. Brent, trust 135 pounds. I don't really care. Like, no one likes Mom Donnie.

[Trey Gowdy]

I care about his 435.

[Dana Perino]

35.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's what the controversy was that he.

[Trey Gowdy]

Oh, 135.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah. I won.

[Trey Gowdy]

We can do that, can't we? Wow. This is next.

[Dana Perino]

Dinner time is taking care.

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[Jessica Tarlov]

Welcome back. Back scratches are the hot new wellness trend and business is booming with folks paying as much as $129 at one spot. Dana, are you a back scratch girl?

[Dana Perino]

I have to confess, I didn't think we were going to get to this segment. So I didn't do a lot of research, but I was just remembering how my mom said she would give us a nickel if we would scratch her back. And I mean, when we were little kids and my sister would be, she was like, my sister love to make a nickel.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah, it's, it's so I would relax. And babies love it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Dude, I'm torn here because I know this is a summer story. I don't know how many examples of a business they had. I don't think this is actually one at 129. Yes, exactly. But I used to get paid by my dad to scratch his head for. Was it 10 cents a minute?

[Dana Perino]

Wow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And as soon as, as soon as my daughter is of age, I'm going to pay her to scratch my head. It is incredibly relaxing and stress and stress reducing. But it's also kind of creepy.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, and certainly paying a stranger for it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Joey Jones]

Could you imagine being a nurse emptying out a bedpan, knowing someone's getting paid 120 an hour to scratch somebody's back? You know, I always have these metrics of how old am I? I am officially like pasta spoon old for the back scratcher. Like, I don't know how old that is. I remember my grandmother doing it. But before anybody uses it, I'm like, that's out for a reason. I'd wash it because I've been using that trey.

[Jessica Tarlov]

What you got on the back front?

[Trey Gowdy]

I like it when my wife scratches my back while she's checking to see if I'm going bald between my w. Possibly Halle Berry. Otherwise, I'm not interested in the back scratch and I hope my wife's not watching.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't think you're going bald, Trey. I don't know what your hair is doing, but you're not going bald. But I've always been trying to figure out what exactly is your hair doing.

[Trey Gowdy]

It's schizophrenic, Greg.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right. One More Thing is up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I wish I could just.

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[Dana Perino]

It'S time now for One More Thing, and this is very exciting. Trey, congratulations.

[Trey Gowdy]

Thank you very much. My One More Thing is the Color of Death, FOX News first fiction book, if you are interested in what it's like to be a real prosecutor. And there's my dog, justice, the love of my wife's life. Also want to thank you, Dana, because without your inspiration and encouragement, this book never would have been written.

[Dana Perino]

It's fabulous. So everybody's going to love it, especially if you go on the beach this weekend. Get it now. Right. Good audiobook as well, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Color of Death. It's a children's book.

[Joey Jones]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Which is a lot of people don't realize. All right, I'm kidding. Tonight we got a great show. Cat Tim, Charlie Hurt, Brianna Lyman or Lehman Lyman. Who knows? Tyrus. That's tonight at 10.

[Dana Perino]

Okay, I'll go real quickly. Country singer, songwriter and guitarist Zach Toppe is set to drop his latest album, ain't in it for My Health, that comes out tomorrow. I'm going to see him tonight at Madison Square Garden. His song I Never Lie was a number one country hit. He's the opener for Guess who, Greg? Yes, Jessica.

[Joey Jones]

I saved my time to join in another selfless act. Jessica lets me go. So check out Real American freestyle. Hulk Hogan tribute is streaming live Saturday night at 7pm on Fox Nation. It's really cool. Athletes of all kinds come together and do this fun stuff. There's some names here, but check it out on FOX Nation.

[Dana Perino]

That's really great. Well, it's been a wonderful show with all of you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Are you not on at all?

[Dana Perino]

Seconds left. Not tomorrow, but I'll see you in the morning.

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