Trump Signs Bill Forcing Release Of Epstein Files

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five

Episode: Trump Signs Bill Forcing Release Of Epstein Files
Date: November 21, 2025
Host/Panel: Martha MacCallum, Greg Gutfeld, Charlie Hurt, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters
Podcast: FOX News Podcasts — The Five

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Main Theme

This episode discusses the political, legal, and media fallout following President Trump's signing of a bill mandating the release of all Jeffrey Epstein-related files within 30 days. The panel examines how these disclosures are impacting both parties, with a particular emphasis on recent Democratic missteps, potential repercussions for political and financial elites, changes in New York City leadership, and continued debates around public safety, criminal justice, and the legacy of leaders like Nancy Pelosi.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Epstein Files Bill and Political Fallout

• Trump's Executive Action: The panel explores President Trump's move to declassify and release all Epstein-related files, predicting significant repercussions for politicians and Wall Street figures, predominantly on the Democratic side.

• Backlash Against Jasmine Crockett:

  • Texas Congresswoman Crockett falsely accused Lee Zeldin (EPA Administrator, former GOP Congressman) of taking campaign donations from Jeffrey Epstein, which was untrue—it was a different Dr. Jeffrey Epstein.
  • Crockett’s clumsy clarification appeared as a non-apology, sparking fierce panel criticism.
  • The hosts argue for political accountability and discuss Congressional decorum and ethics regarding unsubstantiated public accusations (04:13).

  Quote (Greg Gutfeld, 01:05):
  “Yes, Crockett, a physician named Dr. Jeffrey Epstein, who is totally different person than the other Jeffrey Epstein, donated to a prior campaign of mine. No freaking relation, you genius.”
  (referring to Zeldin's public response)

• Wider Political Exposure:

  • Jesse Waters predicts a “scorched earth” effect as flight manifests, FBI/DOJ documents, and financial records become public.
  • Potential implications for both political parties, but especially Democrats due to the timeline (documents from 2008–2019), and the fact that President Trump cut ties with Epstein earlier (07:03–09:48).
  • JP Morgan is named as having filed 5,000 suspicious activity reports regarding Epstein’s finances (09:01).

  Quote (Jesse Waters, 09:01):
  “JP Morgan filed 5,000 suspicious activity reports on Epstein. A billion dollars in suspicious financial wires...He is either at the center of an international sexual blackmail ring or he's a money launderer. And JP Morgan covered it up.”

• Need for Careful Fact-checking:

  • The Crockett debacle highlighted the dangers of hasty accusations without thorough research, reverberating into broader media and political standards (11:01–13:39).

  Quote (Jessica Tarlov, 11:01):
  “She admits that she knew it wasn't by saying ‘A’ and not ‘the’ before Jeffrey Epstein. She went public knowing this accusation would implicate an innocent man... She sacrificed American citizens because she didn't think they mattered.”

• Impact on Elites and Victims:

  • Panelists stress the importance of justice and closure for Epstein’s victims, and public reckoning for public figures involved (06:26 and throughout).

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2. New York City Politics: Trump Meets Mamdani

• Zoran Mamdani, NYC's Mayor-elect:

  • The panel previews Trump’s upcoming White House meeting with NYC’s incoming mayor, Zoran Mamdani, a self-described democratic socialist/communist.
  • Heated back-and-forth soundbites are shared, with Mamdani promising to be Trump's “worst nightmare,” but also softening his tone to collaborate for New Yorkers' benefit (14:55–15:49).

  Quote (Zoran Mamdani, 14:55):
  “My administration would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare.”

• Policy Tensions:

  • The roundtable discusses Mamdani’s promises to leftist supporters on policing and ICE, but notes the practical realities he faces (18:52).
  • Mamdani’s move to retain NYPD Commissioner Jesse Tisch is seen as a pragmatic shift, signaling tension with Democratic Socialists (19:17).

• Predictions for the Trump-Mamdani Meeting:

  • Both sides are advised to be cordial yet cautious, as federal funding, public image, and major city policies are at stake (16:08–17:01).

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3. Nancy Pelosi, Gender in Politics, and End of an Era

• Pelosi's Exit and Ongoing Critique of Trump:

  • Pelosi is described as “bitter” over losing the speakership and watching her party drift leftward.
  • Her remarks on Trump (“vile creature”) are discussed, as well as her view that America is slow to elect women to high office (23:25).

  Quote (Nancy Pelosi, 23:25):
  “By the way, I said that [Trump is a vile creature] as a euphemism. I could have done much worse.”

• Michelle Obama, Kamala Harris, and 'Ready' for a Woman President:

  • The panel rebuts Michelle Obama’s view that Americans aren't ready for a woman president, suggesting instead that voters simply didn't like Clinton or Harris—regardless of gender (28:50–29:31).

  Quote (Greg Gutfeld, 28:50):
  “If a woman was a nominee and could be politically strong enough to garner votes, I honestly believe this country did not want Hillary Clinton, whether Hillary Clinton was a man or a woman, and did not want Kamala Harris. I just think that this idea that men don't want women to lead them is ridiculous.”

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4. Crime, Justice, and Public Safety

• Chicago Train Attack:

  • The panel covers a violent crime in Chicago involving a repeat offender who set a woman on fire.
  • Discussion focuses on “luxury beliefs” and “suicidal empathy” of progressive policies that put ideology over public safety (32:06–33:35).
  • Critique is leveled at judicial appointments and DEI hiring, as the supervising judge is described disparagingly (35:27).

  Quote (Jessica Tarlov, 32:20):
  “A guy with a long criminal history is allowed to roam free because a certain segment of society…believe you can sacrifice people's health and safety so you can exemplify virtue. Of course, though, it’s a luxury belief because the people who do this don't ride the subways.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Description | |-----------|---------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:05 | Greg Gutfeld | "Yes, Crockett, a physician named Dr. Jeffrey Epstein, who is totally different person than the other Jeffrey Epstein, donated to a prior campaign of mine." | | 09:01 | Jesse Waters | "JP Morgan filed 5,000 suspicious activity reports on Epstein. A billion dollars in suspicious financial wires..." | | 11:01 | Jessica Tarlov | "She admits that she knew it wasn't by saying ‘A’ and not ‘the’ before Jeffrey Epstein. She went public knowing this accusation would implicate an innocent man..." | | 14:55 | Zoran Mamdani | "My administration would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare." | | 23:25 | Nancy Pelosi | "I said that [Trump is a vile creature] as a euphemism. I could have done much worse." | | 28:50 | Greg Gutfeld | "I honestly believe this country did not want Hillary Clinton, whether Hillary Clinton was a man or a woman, and did not want Kamala Harris." | | 32:20 | Jessica Tarlov | "A guy with a long criminal history is allowed to roam free because a certain segment of society…believe you can sacrifice people's health and safety so you can exemplify virtue." |

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–02:57: Dubious Epstein accusations, Crockett/Zeldin mix-up, panel reaction
• 06:26–09:48: Impact and scope of Epstein file release, focus on Democrats, JP Morgan revelations
• 09:48–13:45: Integrity in political accusations, ethics, broader impact on Epstein scandal
• 14:55–15:49: Soundbites and preview of Trump–Mamdani NYC meeting
• 17:01–20:42: Political dynamics, DSA tensions, policy, and funding in NYC
• 23:09–29:31: Nancy Pelosi clip, her legacy, women in politics, panel reflections
• 30:23–36:15: Chicago crime, repeat offender, criminal justice reform debate and judge criticism

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Overall Tone and Takeaway

The panel is combative, sardonic, and unapologetically partisan—characteristically irreverent and highly critical of Democrats. There’s a strong sense of anticipation and, at times, schadenfreude over the coming Epstein disclosures. Panelists emphasize the dangers of careless political rhetoric, the possible fallout for elites, and the deep challenges facing progressive urban policies—consistently drawing a sharp contrast with President Trump’s approach.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode spans from breaking down political gaffes (Crockett's Epstein claim) to the seismic potential of publicly released Epstein files, predicting a reckoning for major Democratic (and some Wall Street) figures. It pivots to cash-focused New York City politics, the challenge of leftist governance in a practical world, and a look at generational leadership shifts in Congress. Strong critiques of progressive criminal justice policies are illustrated via a shocking Chicago crime case, finishing with lighter banter on custody battles and pets.

If you want a fast-paced, opinion-heavy deconstruction of the latest political drama—with plenty of sharp one-liners and table-pounding—this episode delivers.

Transcript

[Martha MacCallum]

Five.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hello, everybody. I'm Martha macallum along with Charlie Hurt, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters, and Greg Gutfeld. It is five o' clock in New York and this is the Five. So our Democrats walking into a Trump trap on Epstein after the President signed the release of The Epstein files. 30 days for it all to come out. The party's rising star, Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, is facing fierce backlash after she wrongfully accused former GOP congressman and current EPA administrator Lee Zeldin of taking campaign donations from the dead sex trafficking pedophile. Take a look at the comments that got her in hot water on the House floor. Watch this, folks.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Who also took money from somebody named Jeffrey Epstein. As I had my team dig in very quickly. Mitt Romney, the NRCC, Lee Zeldin, George Bush win. Read McCain Palin.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, so it turns out that it was a different Jeffrey Epstein. Apparently there are hundreds of them in America for whom the FCC had records of donation to Zeldin. Zeldin himself explaining on X, writing, yes, Crockett, a physician named Dr. Jeffrey Epstein, who is totally different person than the other Jeffrey Epstein, donated to a prior campaign of mine. No freaking relation, you genius. He writes in large letters, Crockett on cleanup duty. And this was tough. Somehow made things worse. Watch.

[Jasmine Crockett]

I never said that it was that Jeffrey Epstein. So my team, what they did is they googled and that is specifically why I said a Jeffrey Epstein. Unlike Republicans, I at least don't go out and just tell lies because it was not the same one. That's fine. But he admitted that he did receive donations from a Jeffrey Epstein. So at least I wasn't trying to mislead people. Now, have I dug in to find out who this doctor is? I have not. So I will trust and take what he says. I literally had maybe 20 minutes before I had to do that debate.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So if you only had 20 minutes and you couldn't vet the list that you pulled up before, you attached some of the biggest politicians in US History to it, including Lee Zeldin, who we know it was the wrong person. You should have just not said any of the names on the list. This is how you deal with this kind of moment when you're under pressure. You have to make sure that you don't go out there and lambast someone and put them in a category that they don't belong in just because it feels good. And you only have 20 minutes before this happens. Charlie. I mean, there's so many layers to her backpedal here. I mean, really the only thing she could have and should have done is to walk out there and say, I apologize.

[Charlie Hurt]

Yeah, that would be the logical thing to do. I loved Lee Zeldin's first message. He punctuated each word with clapping hands, saying, this is a different Jeffrey Epstein. This guy is a doctor. And then when he got to the part about explaining that also the donations came after Jeffrey Epstein was dead, he used a drum set between each word just to punctuate that this is how insane it is. And I get, like, Democrats for Democrats, like, donors can be dead, voters can be dead. It's like, whatever.

[Martha MacCallum]

I wasn't aware of that as interesting.

[Charlie Hurt]

But I do think it's kind of interesting that you have Ron Wyden in the Senate trying to now make the argument. And I'm not saying that he's altogether wrong. I don't know what to believe about a lot of this stuff. I think there are a lot of people who are implicated in this. But he's trying to say now that, oh, this is not a political problem, this is a Wall street problem. Because there are some real questions about what banks did to help and to cover up Jeffrey Epstein. And I'm delighted it's all going to come out, but I'm also not surprised that probably all of Washington is sitting there going, no, it's a Wall street thing. Go over there. Just don't look over here.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, Jessica, are there any rules of decorum on the floor of Congress that preclude her from walking out there? I mean, to me, this deserves some sort of punishment of some form. I don't know, in their ethics rules or whatever. She slandered this guy and she said, I just didn't have time to check it out. Sorry, no time to fact check.

[Martha MacCallum]

So I live in abject fear, Jesse, in less abject fear than I do of defamation constantly, right? You go out here, you have this huge bully pulpit, right? This opportunity to talk to millions of people, and you better get your language right, especially when you were talking about a pedophile. That's why it has to be an alleged pedophile. If someone hasn't been convicted of something, and if you're then talking about someone who may have been in cahoots with a sex trafficker and pedophile, you should also probably get that, right? So I don't know about the rules on the floor about this. And, you know, there's been back and forth, even this week within the Democratic Party about, you know, sanctioning or whatever the process would be for the retiring Democrat who gave his chief of staff his seat. You know this. Anyway, I expected it was a mistake because clearly we're talking about that Jeffrey Epstein when you're making the case, we're talking about the NRCC and Rick Lazio like you're talking about Jeffrey Epstein. So I don't think that was well handled. This narrative, though, that the Dems are on defense and this is going to just turn into a problem for us. It just doesn't work. I thought Chris Murphy handled it really well. This morning. He was on with John Berman and John asked him, you know, well, what happens if you see more links between Jeffrey Epstein and the Democratic Party? And he goes, so what? Let the chips fall where they may. That is the point of this list coming out. That it's about giving closure to the survivors and the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and this cabal, and that there are some people who don't deserve to be in public life anymore. And you see what's going on with Larry Summers and that, you know, that's fast moving and it's going to be a lot more people who are Washington folks and also Wall street folks.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. I mean, Larry Summers has lost his connection to the things that make that he probably cares about the most. Next to his family, all these prestigious organizations. It's like Prince Andrew had just taken, you know, off his medals. The two of them have basically, you know, suffered the same, the same retribution in all of this. But, Jesse, you know, as Jessica's talking, I just keep thinking about the fact that if you, if Democrats felt so strongly about this, they've had four years, they didn't pursue any of this because.

[Martha MacCallum]

Of the open investigation.

[Jesse Waters]

Sure.

[Martha MacCallum]

Okay. Well, that's what Trump's going to use now, by the way.

[Jesse Waters]

Okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right.

[Jesse Waters]

All your predictions are wrong.

[Martha MacCallum]

That's not true.

[Jesse Waters]

It is. I'll take it from here. My staff did the research that her staff did, and we did it in less than 25 minutes. And Romney, Bush, the NRCC win, reading. No one took Epstein money. It checks out. She's dumb. She knows her staff is dumb. That's why she gave herself an out. So she lied. And only in politics can you lie and get away with it. Actually, the better liar you are, the farther you go. Look at Schiff. He lied about Trump and now he got a promotion to senator. Look at Newsom Clinton, all these. Blumenthal said he served in Vietnam. He never even been in the country and he's still in the Senate. So they had what they thought, Trump dead to rights. And now everyone's collateral damage. Stacey, from the not so Virgin Islands, you have Hakeem soliciting cash and dinner invitations. You have Crockett now and summers. And there's going to be more. And here's why. Jessica. Now they're putting out flight manifests in 30 days. They're putting out all of the FBI and DOJ and investigative documentation. Now, Donald Trump cut him loose in 2004. All of this documentation that's going to come out is going to be from 2008, when the first charges were filed, to 2019 when the second charges were filed. Everything in between that decade. All he's doing, Jessica, is hanging out with Democrats. That's all he's doing. He's not donating to Republicans, he's not hanging out with Republicans. It's so. It doesn't even matter if you guys did or did not get massages, did or did not hang out with sex trafficked minors. Doesn't even matter. The mere allegation that's going to come out in these documents is going to ruin people's lives. And I'm sorry you pushed this. Trump was trying to be a gentleman and he was going to say a lot of people's lives are going to be ruined. A lot of people will have their reputations destroyed from innuendo. And I'm sorry, but that's the way it's going to happen. Now, you're right about J.P. morgan. This is out and it's huge. So J.P. morgan filed 5,000 suspicious activity reports on Epstein. A billion dollars in suspicious financial wires from Jeffrey Epstein. That either one or two things is true. He is either at the center of an international sexual blackmail ring or he's a money launderer. And JP Morgan covered it up. And the Treasury Departments covered up cuz they get those reports. That's what this has always been about, a sexual blackmail ring. And that's what I'd like to find out more about.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, not to dwell on Jasmine Crockett, but I am a little bit focused on this and you can take it wherever you want, Greg. But the fact that she said. And the point is proof, because you see a Jeffrey Epstein did give him money.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah, I think the. I did some research. There are roughly 300 Jeffrey Epstein's in the United States. And imagine what it's like for them to have that name during this period of time. It's gotta be horrible. I have, you know, I had a friend named Jeffrey Epstein and it was a nightmare for him. He ended up killing himself In a jail cell. But anyway, it's a mistake in addressing this as an error, as a mistake, as stupidity. It's brazen arrogance knowing you can get away with something. She admits that she knew it wasn't by saying A and not the before Jeffrey Epstein. She went public knowing this accusation would implicate an innocent man. Not, well, more than one msa. She sacrificed American citizens because she didn't think they mattered. It was just all part of a political action.

[Charlie Hurt]

She's.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's kind of gross and she's the Democrat star. She says her staff didn't have time, she certainly had time to search the roles for, you know, the name of Epstein and various people. So they could have easily have done this. It would have taken one. One question on Grok. Then of course, the. The worst kind of person always blames their team. I always tell that to my team. Stop blaming people. I think she needs to get reprimanded, sued, whatever, because she's going to do it again. She is the opposite of charisma. Power without empathy. She abused her power. She used her office and her status and her prestige. They talk about punching down on some guy who shared the name with a sexual predator. The absolute cold hearted, robotic excuse just reflects the banality of the soulless bureaucrat who could just easily press a button and someone can lose a life because it doesn't touch them. That is the same personality, the same type that you see in mayor's offices in liberal cities. The ones that say defund the police but have security. It doesn't affect them. So here's the key. I want to just finish on what Jessica was talking in general about. The, the scandal itself. I think the key for us is to slow it down because you get sucked into this whirlwind snowball effect of all of these things, when in fact the real scandals, which are gonna be Democrat. I'm sorry, but 80 to 90% of the correspondence for money was with Democrats. It's gonna happen. They're the problem. We have to take it slow. If the only scandal was Stacy Plaskin, it would still be the biggest, one of the biggest scandals ever. Because it addresses the question, how did Epstein get that island? How was he able to make it a destination for elites, for sex trafficking? How was he able to keep the sex trafficking quiet? How are people able to get in and out without anybody knowing? He was greasing the palms of people like Plaskin. He was given. She worked for his lawyer. He was giving them money. He curried favorite with liberal midwit politicians in order to maintain a relationship that allowed him to abuse women. So this is like a big story. She's a politician, she's, I mean, Virgin Islands, great place, but corrupt as hell. This is a big story. If nothing else came out. And Jesse's right, you know, Trump should just sit back. He's the guy, he's the guy running the, the bucking Bronco in the bar. He's not on the bar. He's not on the Bronco. He's just letting it go, watching the guys just get, oh, there goes Larry Summ.

[Jesse Waters]

There goes Plaskin.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh, there goes Jasmine Crockett.

[Jesse Waters]

I love it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Next up, Chuck Schumer.

[Martha MacCallum]

All right, coming up, getting Chuck Schumer on that one.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, I don't know. He's got a.

[Charlie Hurt]

Thing.

[Jessica Tarlov]

He's got a thing. Don't say it. He's got a thing on his head. I believe it's a muskrat.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Coming up, it is capitalism versus socialism. Tomorrow as President Trump welcomes Zoran Mamdani to the White House. We'll be right back.

[Will Kane]

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[Martha MacCallum]

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[Will Kane]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

President Trump and Zoran the Commie are meeting tomorrow at the White House with the President announcing, quote, communist mayor of New York City Zoran Kwame Mamdami has asked for a meeting. Here's all the back and forth Zingers.

[Zoran Mamdani]

My administration would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I think he's, frankly, I've heard he's.

[Charlie Hurt]

A total nut job.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And it's where, where the mayor will use their power to reject Donald Trump's fascism.

[Charlie Hurt]

He's a communist. He's not a socialist, by the way. There's a big difference. He's a communist. He's down and dirty. He's a communist.

[Zoran Mamdani]

There is no borough that will be free from Trump's cruelty.

[Charlie Hurt]

Now it looks like we're going to have a communist mayor in New York. That'll be a lot of fun.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But the Marxist mayor elect seems to be softening his stance a tad before the big pow wow.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I have many disagreements with the president and I believe that we should be relentless and pursue all avenues and all meetings that could make our city affordable for every single New Yorker. I intend to make it clear to President Trump that I will work with him on any agenda that benefits New Yorkers.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Interesting. I'll get to that point in a minute. But first, let me go to Jesse for some superfluous analysis. If Trump is cordial to Zoran, his base will get it because he'll talk to anybody. But if Zoran appears chummy with, you know, Hitler 2.0, according to his supporters, that. How is that going to play on Ms. Now?

[Jesse Waters]

It's not going to play well. So he has to be careful in there. If Trump does something to him, which he might, he can't disrespect the president because then it blows up the relationship. And he needs the relationship because for the next three years, Trump controls New York. He controls the money and all the infrastructure. So he's got to make it work. Trump's not going to go in there and, like, hogtie him and have JD Vance hit him with a poker. He's going to be nice. He'll show him the Coke button. He'll show him where Bill Clinton played hide the cigar with Lewinsky and probably give him, like, a Trump 20, 28 hat. All right? And then they'll talk. And Trump needs a relationship to work, too, because he's got real estate here, and you can't destroy the city. He loves it here. It's his hometown. And when he leaves office, he can't have New York prosecutors destroying him like that, like what happened last time. So I'm sure it'll be fine and it'll be great television.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It would be. You know, one of the things that you heard Mom Dahme say is he'll meet and work with anyone, which is exactly what Trump does. Obviously, he met with the North Korean dictators, among other people. So could there be a. Could they have something in common?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I think that, you know, Jesse's points are good. It's obvious that Zoran needs the money. And Trump has said he will basically bleed the city dry if he doesn't like the way things are going, that he would cut off federal funding. But Zoran has a lot of problems because he has promised the Democrat Socialists of America that he will not allow the police to work with ice. Tish, the commissioner has agreed to stay on, but she is a very principled person and she has done a good job. Crime is down in New York City over the past 10 months, so she's not gonna allow that to slip away from her. So he's in a rock and a hard place. He's gotta figure out how he's gonna maneuver all of this. And he learned quickly on the campaign trail, and he did well in the race. But he's got these Democratic socialists are having these meetings saying, like, you know, we own him. We own this guy, and we are not gonna let him do whatever he wants. He is ours. And so it's going to be, you know, I think it'll be kind of funny. They get like the, you're a commie, you're a fascist stuff, like, right out at the beginning. I also just want to remind people of, you know, go back and listen to Mamdani's acceptance speech on election night, the second half. And in it, he basically said, we will tear down the city that created everything that created Donald Trump. We will tear down the institutions that allowed him to succeed, which is basically dismantle capitalism in New York City, because that's what allowed Donald Trump to succeed. So, you know, I would. It'd be interesting to know if the president, you know, rewatch that, just like, sort of let that sink in a little bit and see how this goes tomorrow.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You know, Jessica, I was shocked, shocked in the green room that you asked, do you think that Zoran will be searched or frisked before entering the White House? And I thought that's a provocative question. But you raised a good point.

[Martha MacCallum]

What we were actually talking about in the green room is how much easier it is to change the diaper of a baby girl than a baby. That is legitimately what the talk.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's what we were talking about.

[Martha MacCallum]

So Mamdani has grown up real fast in the first few days since becoming mayor. So there was talk, obviously, he said, I want Jesse Tisch, who's the police commissioner, to stay on. That deal is now signed and sealed. He has been discouraging DSA members from primarying Democrats, saying, Hakeem Jeffries, leave him alone. AOC said the same thing. Richie Torres, who represents in the Bronx, Michael Blake, wants to primary him. He's going against the DSA grain, saying, you know, these primaries that are staked out over a position on Israel that's not really good for business, and he also wants funding for all of these things that he needs Kathy Hochul to help with. And she said, not only am I not raising the personal tax rate, you're not going to get the corporate tax rate raised. So if on top of that, you're cut off from federal funds, you're in a lot of trouble.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There's no free bus.

[Martha MacCallum]

So I think that they will. These are two telegenic TV guys, right? Or who are good at communicating that way. I think that they will allow each other to shine to a certain degree. Like, they'll get their hits in on one another. And I hope, as a New Yorker, that they can also have, you know, some healthy conversation about making sure that New York can thrive and improve in certain areas. And I bet you could get a Donald Trump to say, you know what? I think universal childcare is a good idea. I think universal pre K worked for the city. Maybe we can help out with that a little bit. And that would be my ideal scenario.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right. I think he. I know this is a stretch, that there might be a smart socialist. I'm not sure. But you probably realize that socialists don't make anything. They only break things. Therefore, you need the city to exist or you have nothing to experiment on. So he knows that. It's like, I really can't, you know, start the revolution right away because then it's over. We don't know how to make things.

[Charlie Hurt]

Well, like Jessica said, the campaign's over, and he's not even claiming to actually believe all the things he campaigned on. Now he wants. He's reaching for the brass ring, and he wants power and he wants staying power. I love the montage that we just played. And it kind of reminds you of the two dogs that are barking on either side of the fence, and then somebody opens the gate, and then they're like. And they stop barking. And I think we're gonna see that from Zoron because he's a shape shifter already. The problem is that Donald Trump is not a shape shifter. He's gonna keep barking. He's not the dog that stops barking as soon as you open the gate. And, you know, and we saw that from his first inaugural address where he came out and said, look, everything I ran on, I meant every word of it. And I'm going to, you know, I may not get everything, but I'm going to push for everything. And it shocked the world. And that was when the impeachments began back in 2017. And so whatever happens, I just, I hope the whole thing is open press. I don't want to miss a minute of it. It's going to be fantastic.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes. There'll be some awkward, like, let's go for a walk over here. And he'll just walk him into, like, the construction area and just bore him to tears, which. See that over there? It's going to be awesome. All right, Nasty Nancy is back attacking Trump again.

[Will Kane]

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[Jesse Waters]

Before she hangs up her stock trading superpower for good. Nasty. Nancy Pelosi slinging mud every chance she gets at President Trump.

[Charlie Hurt]

You said recently in an interview, you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Said that President Trump was a vile.

[Charlie Hurt]

Creature, the worst thing on the face of the earth.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Do you think he's different now than.

[Charlie Hurt]

He was in his first term in terms of his abilities, his leadership?

[Nancy Pelosi]

By the way, I said that as a euphemism. I could have done much worse.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You could have done worse. You could have said worse.

[Nancy Pelosi]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Do you want. Are there other adjectives you'd rather use?

[Nancy Pelosi]

No.

[Jesse Waters]

Pelosi is also liquidating Michelle Obama's position that America can't elect a woman president.

[Nancy Pelosi]

I respect her and I know that view is one that we all are saddened by, but we, I think we have to change. The fact is that I've heard every excuse in the book, you know, like, I'm not sure a woman could be commander in chief. Well, why not? I always thought we would have a woman president long before we had a woman speaker of the House.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, Charlie, what did you take away from that interview?

[Charlie Hurt]

I think she's bitter. And, you know, it's been a tough couple of years for her, having already lost the speakership twice, which is a significant accomplishment that's not happened many times. I don't think it's ever happened in modern times. It may have happened a long, long time ago, but she's one of the very few people to have lost the speakership twice. They lost the country in the last election, giving up the House, the Senate, and the White House. But I think most significantly for her, she lost her party and she's walking away now as I'm not suggesting she's doing it because she's lost the party. I think that they're kind of hooked together. The fact that she's surrendering means that the party is gone and it's going to go for this leftward lurch. Nothing is going to keep it together when, you know, the only thing that keeps it together now is Donald Trump. Before that, it was Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama. I think that they are in for a. It's going to be a rough ride for them. And I think the day will come where they will wish that they had listened to her.

[Jesse Waters]

Jessica, is it the age factor.

[Martha MacCallum]

Also that she's retiring. Yeah. She's old. And she's had an incredible, storied career, which Republicans and Democrats have a tremendous amount of respect for. What an amazingly effective speaker was. This woman didn't miss one vote. She knew exactly how everyone was going to vote. And she was able to persuade anybody who had a difference of opinion to come over to the majority position or frankly, what she wanted to be the position. This idea that we should be outraged that Nancy Pelosi called Trump a vile creature when Donald Trump mocked her husband after he got a hammer to his head. September 2023. We'll stand up to crazy Nancy Pelosi who ruined San Francisco. Know how her husband's doing. Anybody know Don Jr. Posting that his Halloween costume is going to be a pair of tighty whities and a hammer? She's being gentle with him. And I think that you guys would agree with me as people who enjoy how gross Donald Trump is and how down in the dirt he gets. Even looking today, calling for the execution of elected officials, made a video that he didn't like.

[Jesse Waters]

If convicted. Execution. If convicted.

[Martha MacCallum]

There was no if convicted. First of all, from the thing that he re. Truth. Why are you smiling? It's disgusting.

[Jesse Waters]

Why are you not that upset?

[Jessica Tarlov]

That was what it says.

[Jesse Waters]

But stop it. I'm not upset about him. Her calling him vile. And I'm not upset about the sedition thing.

[Martha MacCallum]

Well, you should be, actually, because that actually proves.

[Jesse Waters]

I'll decide when I'm upset. No, I decide what I'm upset.

[Martha MacCallum]

They made a video.

[Jesse Waters]

Except when you make me upset.

[Jessica Tarlov]

By the way. By the way, Jessica, we did. We did do this story yesterday, and we're not doing it right now. But that's not what he said in that thing. He said if sedition equals death. He didn't say these six people, but we knew that. But I didn't want to get into it here because I want to talk about Nancy. All right. I want to congratulate cnn. They got their finger on the pulse of. Of people whose pulses are faint. She, his career. Her career didn't just end. It got swallowed up in this era of Trump. It's like she didn't leave with a flourish of symphonic majesty and eloquence, but like roadkill limping off the Trump interstate. He ran her over. I know that doesn't make sense, but put her in. Put her in with Hillary and Kamala and Joe. It's like it's Donald Trump who's cleaning house for the Democrats. He's scooping. Open up the old and in with the new. I don't think if you didn't have Trump, you wouldn't have Zoran. You wouldn't have young people coming in because you got the old. People can't keep up with him. In the movie blockbuster called Trump, which will probably come out in 10 years, these are the villains that they're at the end of the movie shaking their fists as he's given a parade down Main Street. Can I mention the Michelle thing? Tim had a great point. Was it yesterday or the day before that Michelle's conclusions that Kamala's loss proved that Americans weren't ready for a woman president. The real outrage, and it should offend all women, is that Kamala was the yardstick for all women, according to Michelle, that she was the best woman offered up for the role when it's clear you could pick five women from any local halfway house who would do a better job. And God knows I've tried. I've been recruiting.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, the idea that Michelle just picking up on that. But she said that the conclusion is you're not ready. Right. She pointed her finger like, you know, don't you want me to run? And you're telling me you are not ready for a woman president. It's so untrue. I believe this deeply. I think that if a woman was a nominee and could be politically strong enough to garner votes, I honestly believe this country did not want Hillary Clinton, whether Hillary Clinton was a man or a woman, and did not want Kamala Harris.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Still trying to figure that out.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I wish she was a man or a woman. You were gonna go there, but I just think that this idea that men don't want women to lead them is ridiculous.

[Jesse Waters]

Bartha McCallum, 2028. Is that what we're hearing?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't know. Let me think about that.

[Jesse Waters]

All right.

[Jessica Tarlov]

She's thinking about start small with New York mayor.

[Jesse Waters]

Do you have anything else to say? Jessica, I'm sorry. I'm trying not to cut you off so much. I'm doing my best.

[Martha MacCallum]

That's a lie. And no, I'm done.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay, thanks.

[Jesse Waters]

I checked at least.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Gee, you know what? Chicks never grateful.

[Jesse Waters]

I know. The one time I felt a little.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, my God.

[Martha MacCallum]

Well, fine. Since you mentioned it.

[Jesse Waters]

Go ahead. Democrats soft on crime policies cause more suffering. A repeat offender accused of setting a woman on fire on a Chicago train.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I want to get on the good foot.

[Will Kane]

This holiday season, Give the sunshine.

[Charlie Hurt]

A repeat offender charged with terrorism for allegedly setting a woman on fire on a Chicago train and leaving her in critical condition with severe burns. The suspect has a long, violent criminal history going back to the early 90s, and yet he was back out on the streets. Fox confirms the Chicago train attack suspect was released on ankle monitor just months before the attack. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson is brushing it off as an isolated incident. Martha, this story is one of those that she was minding her own business, didn't know the guy and is looking at her phone.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's terrible.

[Charlie Hurt]

This happens.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's like the woman Irina in Charlotte. It's a. He may have even been inspired by that horrific attack. He clearly, you know, has a very long record. This is another example of a person who should not be on the street. You know, he should be in most likely. I mean, I'm not a doctor, so I can't diagnose him, but in some sort of institution, if not in a prison. So we have a problem with trying to mainstream people and let them back out onto the streets. It's rampant. We had a similar situation with a wonderful 64 year old man. It was a pillar of his society in Brooklyn. And when I interviewed Zohra Mamdani, I asked him about this guy and he was like, well, it wouldn't happen under, you know, the way I want to lead the city because services would be, services would kick in on the first arrest. Services, I said, should he be off the street? Wouldn't really answer that. Services is what we need. Well, you know, some people cannot. They broke their social contract and they cannot be loose in society.

[Charlie Hurt]

You know, Greg, you often talk about the luxury beliefs and what Martha's talking about there, right there. Those are the luxury beliefs. Yes. The victim in this who's not yet been named, that's not a luxury belief exactly.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I mean, it's where luxury beliefs and what Gad Saad calls suicidal empathy cross. A guy with a long criminal history is allowed to roam free because a certain segment of society, I will call them left wing woke progressives, believe you can sacrifice people's health and safety so you can exemplify virtue. Of course, though, it's a luxury belief because the people who do this don't ride the subways. The sad part, I mean, aside from this attack, is that a crime like this used to revolt a country. It would be a nationwide spasm. It would probably be seen around the world and the outrage wouldn't go away. And that outrage would be followed by action. The folks responsible for allowing this man to roam free would be held accountable. But for some reason, why we're just not like that anymore. You know, the judges responsible for letting these people out, the person who killed Irina, are they still judging away like they are immune? Or what about the people who make the policies? Shouldn't they be held accountable? Like Chicago? The mayor has to answer for this. This is a guy that has draped himself in identity politics and looked the other way as blacks either get killed, kill each other, or get set on fire. I mean, they need to hang this crime on him.

[Charlie Hurt]

Yeah, Jessica, Greg makes a good point. You know, obviously Democrats are as upset about this and nobody is. You know, it's horrifying for anybody watching it. But when you go back and you look at the judges that let this Lawrence Reid off again and again and again, they're all Democrat judges appointed by Democrat politicians.

[Martha MacCallum]

Well, I mean, it doesn't surprise me in Chicago that that would be the case. It's a Democratic run city and state. And I don't envy a judge who's facing someone like this in court or a bunch of people who are coming into court. Because you want to believe in the power of rehabilitation. Right. And to give someone a second chance. But so often people are proving that they don't deserve it. And the readout from what happened in court, this guy comes in, he immediately says, I plead guilty. Then he starts singing to avoid listening to the judge. And somebody who would do that, I'm pretty sure was giving indications when he was walking around on city streets that he was mentally unwell and that he should have been spoken to by a police officer or if it's a social worker, whatever. I'm sure he was showing signs before this happened.

[Jessica Tarlov]

In a liberal, in a liberal enclave, nothing.

[Martha MacCallum]

We're not disappointed.

[Jessica Tarlov]

This is a sanctuary city for insanity.

[Martha MacCallum]

That when you see somebody like that, you should report it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But then nothing happens. I wish something would happen.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They have to. That's fine. I agree with you.

[Martha MacCallum]

There are people who.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We used to do that, but then we decided everyone could be medicated and be out on the street, and then people don't take their medication. So this idea of, you know, and Eric Adams wanted to, you know, have involuntary committal at times, but, you know.

[Charlie Hurt]

One of the really alarming things about this is that the guy actually had the forethought to go and fill up the tank with gas at the gas station. A lot of thought went into this. He's not just sort of in the moment lunatic.

[Jesse Waters]

Right. And so you'd think a judge would see this guy and put him behind bars for as long as Possible. But Judge Molina didn't. And she's a DEI judge. She's never been elected. She's always been appointed. She was doing traffic cases before this. She's bragging about marching for Hispanic pride. The most proud moment of my life was when I became the first Puerto Rican judge ever appointed at a county judicial circuit. It's like, come on, she lives alone with her dog. I'm so sick and tired of these people. It's always the same thing. And you'd think that being a active member of the Latinx Bar association, you'd be a little bit better at your job, but she's just not. And I'm sorry, but she's got to go. She's got to go.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You got to never go. They never go.

[Jesse Waters]

We.

[Jessica Tarlov]

We go before they go.

[Jesse Waters]

True.

[Charlie Hurt]

Indeed. All right, the fastest is up next.

[Jesse Waters]

Standing on a corner.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Suitcases.

[Martha MacCallum]

If you beg, I'll show you my her who gets the dog after a breakup. In a Delaware court, a judge ruling that a former couple who co owned a goldendoodle named Tucker before splitting up in 2022 must compete against each other in a private auction. The winner takes the dog, and the loser takes the cash. Greg, you're making that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, people need to really assess the effect that divorce has on their dogs. Studies show that canines in broken marriages are 10 times more likely to come out as non binary.

[Charlie Hurt]

Mm.

[Martha MacCallum]

Once again, I appreciate that you prepare for my block, though, Martha.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't know. I wasn't clear on whether they were married. I think they might have just been, like, a couple. And I'm thinking, why did you guys get a dog together? I think people, like, over complicate relationships. And I think that grown people, mature people, ought to be able to decide, you know, who should take care of the dog and have visitation rights or something. The fact that this is taking up time in a court, it is, to me, superfluous.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse, I thought we had custody of Tucker, and then I only get to see him on the Internet.

[Martha MacCallum]

Oh, I get it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Who's Tucker?

[Charlie Hurt]

Charlie, I thought that they were married, too. And it's just another reminder to choose well when you get married, because you don't want to have to make these decisions.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Why don't you let the dog choose?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Dog chews who he wants to go with him at the end of the room.

[Charlie Hurt]

Mom.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Each one holds.

[Martha MacCallum]

Okay, I like that. One more thing's up next that's like Ripsy.

[Will Kane]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, time now for one more thing. Jesse, you live in New Jersey.

[Martha MacCallum]

One more thing. No, he does.

[Jesse Waters]

Lander New Jersey. I think he does.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I don't know where he lives in Virginia.

[Jesse Waters]

Don't tell me to hurry up. You're always taking forever with your stupid animals. Or great. Which is gross. Fox News book out with another banger, Dr. Mark Siegel there. In your face, Greg. The miracles among us. I'm going to take forever. Now from from a rabbi who someone knew a carpenter's infant son had a heart problem to an NFL player survival from a rare cardiac arrest. It's enough. Happy DEI Thursday on Jesse Waters Primetime at 8.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Is that tonight?

[Jessica Tarlov]

We got a great show. Kat Timp, Jamie Lissow, Michelle Torus. Let's do this. Greg's Uber News Uber. New York has finally released its first service for rodents. This is a new Uber service for rats. This rats headed to LaGuardia to catch a flight to Burbank. He's got an audition for the Hallmark Channel. He's burrowing holiday rat. There he goes. He actually fell off when it took a turn but I think he survived.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Nice special salute to service. The past weekend Otis Brannon, 99 year old World War II veteran got the opportunity to take the helm of the last operational World War II crash boat. And there he is.

[Charlie Hurt]

More powerful.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Fabulous. That is it for us. Have a great night.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I mean seven seconds.

[Charlie Hurt]

Thank you.

[Will Kane]

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