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Host/Moderator
Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kennedy, Harold Ford Jr. Jesse Waters and she broke the glass ceiling at the North Pole as the first female elf. Dana Perino. The five.
President Trump hitting the road again next week. Back on tour to sell his economic agenda and hammer the Democrats who gave America the worst inflation in decades. Chuck and Akeem leading the charge to pin their mess on Trump.
He is in such an effing bubble that he doesn't even know what average people go through. He's a billionaire. He doesn't worry about paying for groceries. I don't know if he's ever been in a grocery store.
Harold Ford Jr.
Our country is far too expensive. Donald Trump and Republicans promised to lower costs on day one. Costs haven't gone down. Costs have gone up across the board.
Host/Moderator
Thank you, straight Obama. So President Trump is getting prices down by rolling back Biden era fuel efficiency standards for vehicles. Here's Dean says, oh, their prices were so low.
Riverbend Ranch Narrator
No, they had the worst inflation.
Jesse Waters
We had the highest prices we ever.
Host/Moderator
Had and now they're all coming down.
Jesse Waters
Today is a victory of common sense and affordability.
Harold Ford Jr.
We believe that people should be able to make a choice, as you said, Mr. President, and we will invest more in affordable vehicles.
Host/Moderator
So Kennedy, this, this is pretty big news for the auto industry and for the, the purchaser of autos because there Trump is rescinding these CAFE standards which would end up fining hundreds of millions, even over $1 billion afforded GM that goes away due to their draconian emissions standards. What say you? How important is this?
Greg Gutfeld
Well, it's important if you're an automaker and you want to make money and if you want to make affordable cars that people can make and buy in the United States, I think that's priority number one for GM and Ford. But unfortunately they have been beholden to these standards, these ultra leftist standards that are telling car manufacturers, you know, we have to have an arbitrary fuel economy number by the year 2031, 50 miles per gallon. It's a great pie in the sky dream. We're not there yet. We are not on track to do that. So they were forced to make electric vehicles that drivers didn't want to buy.
Riverbend Ranch Narrator
Right.
Greg Gutfeld
They're expensive. The tax credits weren't enough to offset the cost and you know, it's word of mouth from other people wasn't enough to, to boost that part of the industry. And Ford stopped making a lot of those EVs knowing that, that they were going to get penalized with these Biden error fees. But now what they can do is actually respond to the market, which is what they should be doing.
Dana Perino
Right.
Greg Gutfeld
People are a lot smarter and a lot more sophisticated than they were 10 years ago. And they know. People know based on other people who bought electric vehicles and people who bought cars recently. Hybrids right now are the way to go where you can still put fuel. You can go to a gas station and still put fuel in your car. It's under three bucks a gallon for the first time. Yeah. March of 2021. And you can go home and charge it. So that's how you get better fuel economy. And that will put us on a more rational road to eventually having lower emissions or give everyone a nuclear reactor for their own.
Host/Moderator
Oh, that would go great with my EV Bentley. So Dana, let's talk about these Dell accounts. They're incredible. It seems like something like Trump. Like why didn't anybody think about this before? Talk to the billionaires, make a deal with them and all of a sudden you got is it 25 million accounts for kids, cash for kids that they invest. Explain it to me.
Dana Perino
Okay, I'm not saying I know all the details, but basically the idea is for any kid that is born between January 1st of 2025 and then it goes through 2028, they will automatically get $1,000 in an account.
Host/Moderator
Yeah.
Dana Perino
And then that money stays there and parents can add to it. Sort of like the Education Accounts 529 account. You can add to it tax free. Employers, your employer, like the Fox News could say, okay, we'll add to it so that you start to get a little bit of a nest egg for a kid that I don't think they can touch it until they're 18. They might use it for education, they might not. They might continue to invest. We know that over time the best way to compound wealth to invest. So starting early and rather than starting at the age 26, it's going to make a huge difference. The interesting thing on this one is you do have at least the first billionaires, Michael and Susan Dell, saying, okay, here's $6.5 billion to get us started. And remember when Warren Buffett started the Giving Pledge and this was to ask all the billionaires and pressure all of them to say, you're going to give away all your wealth before you die. And so that's what Bill Gates and all of them are. Well, not, maybe not all, but many of these billionaires signed up for the Giving Pledge. I think that this is very interesting because maybe this could be part of the Giving Pledge where you can fulfill it. But you know that your legacy is moving forward rather than you are giving it to, you know, the blah blah.
Host/Moderator
The blah blah. What's that? You mean cars for kids? No, it's interesting because we don't like people just don't really look into charities. And this is so simple. My question is, and Jesse, you're probably wondering the same thing. Is that just the kids money? I mean, can we take it if we want it?
Jesse Waters
I thought they were getting their own set of wheels. I thought that's what was it didn't matter if the kid was 7 or 17, he was gonna get a hot rod. I don't know. A lot of things are scams. I give my money to different types of charities.
Host/Moderator
Really? Like what?
Jesse Waters
The Jesse Waters, Jesse Waters foundation those are for. Well, I actually am so generous for some reason. That's not what generous people say. I know, but for some reason over the years I've gotten such a bad rap mostly because of you.
Host/Moderator
How?
Jesse Waters
I don't.
Host/Moderator
You said you don't tip.
Jesse Waters
That's not true. I'm such a generous tipper. I am. I like, that's like one of my best qualities.
Host/Moderator
You want you once doordashed for like a five dollar coffee. Do you remember that?
Riverbend Ranch Narrator
No. No.
Jesse Waters
What's the question?
Host/Moderator
I don't remember.
Jesse Waters
I don't care.
Host/Moderator
Talk about this.
Jesse Waters
What do you want me to talk about?
Host/Moderator
Gas prices are insane, but the media won't talk about it because the media doesn't drive.
Jesse Waters
That's a good point. They Uber or they're driven. Yes, but gas prices are down, rents down and mortgage rates are coming down. If I were Trump, I wouldn't say everything's great all at once, because it's not. It's getting great. And there are certain things that are amazing. But there are such thorny problems because Biden drove up prices so high that it's. It's difficult to get out of this. So if I were the President, I would just say, listen, hold my hand. I will take you to the golden age. This is what I've done. This is what I'M doing this is what's going to happen. I would not say affordability hoax. Yes, it's a hoax that the Democrats are politicking on the issue of affordability cuz they're the ones that made it unaffordable. But you can say the issue's a hoax because there's things that are unaffordable and they're just going to run ads that say affordability hoax and you're going to get killed. I would just hammer these things. Energy, stock market, jobs, jobs, jobs. This AI situation, the data centers. If you're a blue collar guy, you're making six figures doing business with these data centers. They can't even find enough blue collar workers to do the job. The amount of foreign investment that's pouring in, the mineral deals, it's an incredible amount of investment that's taking place. Is that going to be enough to change people's attitudes before the midterms? And maybe not. But if you have some sort of solution for health care, I don't know what it is. Cut out the middle man of Obamacare. If you have a solution for the insurance rates which are out of control, or the cost of tuition, which is out of control, you talk about it and you talk about it over and over and over and over again. Schumer talking about high prices is insane. He made the prices high. But you know what? It's Trump's economy now. That's politics. You, he owns it now and for better or for worse, it's going to be the Trump economy. So that's what I would do. I would hit those and I would hit him hard.
Host/Moderator
Wow. All right. You know, Harold, speaking of Chuck, he said that Trump lives in an effort bubble. My theory is either you swear or you don't. Right. What does effort stand for?
Harold Ford Jr.
Sure. It's good to be back. I hadn't seen you guys in a while. I'm happy back.
Host/Moderator
Missed you.
Harold Ford Jr.
Harold, you asked a question about why didn't anyone come up with this? With the risk of sounding completely self serving 25 years ago I did. In Congress we introduced a baby account bill. We were inspired by something that happened in Australia. President Bush was in office and there was an effort to try to be helpful to us. Larry Kutlow, who is in this building also was a big proponent of what we were trying to do. I could not be more thrilled that Democrats, Republicans alike and President Trump is doing this. I hope they do it even more. What I think it does is it gives kids who feel left out, who feel left behind who feel divorced from the American dream. More Americans today feel that the American dream is out of reach for their kids, and even their kids feel that way. We've got to keep people not only involved, but invested in believing they can be owners. And this is one way to do it. I agree with you about 100% on what you just said. I think that Democrats are right to talk about affordability, and I'm concerned that President Trump doesn't understand how serious this issue is now. Maybe he's playing politics with it at the moment. This reminds me of when many around this table often and correctly talked last year, year and a half ago about the importance, the power of the issue of the border. When Democrats, including Joe Biden, were saying, we have it under control, when the Secretary of Homeland Security said, there's no problem here, we often around this table were critical of them. I've said for a long to ignore voters who believe they know what's best for voters or believe that the numbers show that voters are living a better life than they are. Those politicians end up at home. The last election just a few weeks ago, showed us that people are concerned about this issue. And even the Tennessee congressional race, although the Democrat didn't win, that race probably should not have been as close as it was. And I think it was because of affordability. The only message I have for President Trump is what Jesse just said. You've got to get out and give answers. Because if you believe you can say, just wait and wait and wait. People will wait, but your party will lose. I think the winners in this whole thing, Greg, are the voters, the American public. Because if Republicans start focusing on affordability and Democrats, you got to hope that they're able to create a set of outcomes that improve the lives of every American.
Host/Moderator
Well, since you brought up immigration, I think there's a better analogy here that, like if the Democrats suddenly came up and said, we're fighting illegal immigration, we would laugh at them. That's why we're laughing at them now when they talk about affordability because they created the spike in prices, you may be.
Harold Ford Jr.
I don't disagree with that. My point is different.
Host/Moderator
Let's just end it.
Harold Ford Jr.
When Democrats said that the border was under control for President Trump to say that this is a con job or hoax, that's what you were saying. This is not a con job or a hoax. This is real. Democrats ignored the border at their peril. And, you know, the partisan in me says that I should tell President Trump to ignore it so Democrats can win. I want more Americans to be able to afford their lives and to say it's not a problem, that it's a hoax. I think politically that's a problem for the President. But more importantly, substantively, it's a problem for the country.
Host/Moderator
All right, then. Well, that was exciting, wasn't it?
Riverbend Ranch Narrator
Yeah.
Host/Moderator
Yeah, Very.
Harold Ford Jr.
Table.
Dana Perino
You're very green.
Host/Moderator
No, but you're very, very green, Kermit. All right, up next, the Pentagon blowing the liberal media narrative on coke boats to smithereens.
Harold Ford Jr.
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Greg Gutfeld
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Dana Perino
Brand new information blowing a huge hole in the Washington Post. Reporting of a double tap strike on a suspected narco boat in the Caribbean. Navy Admiral Frank Mitch Bradley telling lawmakers that there was no kill them all order from Secretary of War Pete Hegseth in the September 2 attack that killed two suspected drug boat traffickers. And ABC News now reporting those survivors were actually trying to salvage the drugs. And Senator Tom Cotton, who saw the video with his own eyes, backs up that account.
Harold Ford Jr.
I saw two survivors trying to flip.
Host/Moderator
A boat loaded with drugs down for.
Harold Ford Jr.
The United States back over so they.
Host/Moderator
Could stay in the fight. And potentially given the all the context.
Harold Ford Jr.
We heard of other narco terrorist boats.
Host/Moderator
In the area, coming to their aid.
Harold Ford Jr.
To recover their cargo and recover those narco terrorists.
Dana Perino
And Democratic Congressman Jim Himes, who was in the room for Admiral Bradley's testimony, even he admits that the second strike was indeed on drug traffickers.
Host/Moderator
What I saw in that room was one of the most troubling things I've seen in my time in public service. The United States military attacking shipwrecked sailors.
Jesse Waters
Bad guys.
Host/Moderator
Bad guys. But attacking shipwrecked sailors? Yes, they were carrying drugs. They were not in the position to continue their mission. The last thing I'm going to say is that the admiral confirmed that there had not been a kill them all order and that there was not an order to grant no quarter.
Dana Perino
So does it exonerate Headset? Does it exhaust.
Greg, knowing all of this now? It gives me an understanding of why. When Bradley was walking into the Capitol this morning, he looked very confident.
Host/Moderator
This guy. Douchebag.
Greg Gutfeld
Yeah.
Host/Moderator
Shipwrecked sailors. They're narco terrorists. Yet, bonehead, that guy had to roll back everything he said. And while he was rolling it back, he still kept digging a grave. What an idiot. I love watching people who were suddenly experts at war crimes because they have, like, grok or AI. You got to remember, what were these people experts at before, right? Climate. They were experts at that. Lecturing us on climate, gender, race, presidential competence. They built. By corrupting the media industry, they built this house where they have no credibility for the future, Especially this story. It was so on the nose. Like, six Democrats release a video suggesting that there will be could be possibly an illegal military action coming soon. And then, just like magic, you get, this story just appears. This is too engineered to be real. It's like a boss coming up to you and saying, you know, I wouldn't buy a new car if I were you, because he knows you're not getting a raise. This is so it. It's almost unbelievable how stupid they think we are, and yet they keep pulling these hoaxes over and over again.
Dana Perino
It does show Kennedy that we have a big, blockbuster story with one anonymous source. Like, maybe take a beat before you comment on it.
Greg Gutfeld
Well, the problem is, and this is what often happens, is they can easily be proven wrong. And, you know, what they didn't realize was everyone who had seen the footage corroborated what the Admiral is testifying before Congress. That, you know, yes, there were survivors, and they were. Obviously, you know, their lives depend on whether or not they get the drugs from point A to point B. But I think we're getting distracted by this. I think this is one of these stories where we're getting so distracted in the hair splitting that we're losing sight of the bigger picture. And the bigger picture should be, is this really the best way to combat narco terrorism? And, you know, I will continue to argue that the best way to do that is to reduce demand in this country. And we don't talk about that enough. We don't talk about it with our kids. We don't admit that people have a massive appetite for drugs in this country. And even if we're blowing the living crap out of boats in the Caribbean, they will find another way. It is incredibly lucrative. These are multibillion dollar agencies. These are not just cartel families that we saw in Narcos Mexico, which is one of my favorite series on Netflix ever. These are massive enterprises that are incredibly creative and adept at finding new ways to deliver to American noses exactly what they want. And that's what we have to deal with in this country. Because going, drugs are bad.
Jesse Waters
Okay?
Greg Gutfeld
It has not been enough of a deterrent. That's the.
Harold Ford Jr.
That's the.
Host/Moderator
I have to disagree. That is what makes this so different. It's not just saying drugs are bad. It's like, no, we realize the war on drugs was a failure. This is an actual literal. We're taking it to them. And especially since we're not talking about drugs anymore, we're talking about really destruct. One little pill, Fentanyl, like a kid going and getting coke or Xanax and dying. That is not what we. That's not what we're talking. That's not recreational partying.
Harold Ford Jr.
Drug.
Host/Moderator
Drugs. This is basically homicide. You're killing hundreds of. Guy goes out, does. Does. Buys a Xanax off a friend and he dies. That's not recreational drugs. That's murder. So I think it's a different thing than the way you portray it. And how dare you.
Greg Gutfeld
I agree with you there. And that's what's so scary, is kids have an appetite for doing things that are dangerous, that cross the line, make their parents really upset. And it's like, I have a child in college and it scares the crap out of me because this stuff is so incredibly pervasive. And it doesn't matter the lectures or how you raise them. It is a moment of curiosity. You're absolutely right. That takes someone's life. And I cannot tell you how many people I know who've either lost a family member to a fentanyl overdose. You know, a good friend of mine Lost her stepson because he did cocaine for the first time that was laced with fentanyl. And those are the people who are dying. Yes, but it's still an appetite and a curiosity and a form of rebellion that we have not gotten our heads around. If I could just.
Dana Perino
Before I go to Harold and Jesse, I just gonna play this because in 1989, somebody that we used to see on TV periodically when he was at the White House, he said this in 1989, Joe Biden.
Harold Ford Jr.
Let's go after the drug lords where.
Jesse Waters
They live with an international strike force. There must be no safe haven for.
Harold Ford Jr.
These narco terrorists, and they must know it.
Dana Perino
Isn't that the same policy?
Harold Ford Jr.
Sort of. I agree with Kennedy. I hate to disagree with my pal at the table, but I agree with you. You said it well. The appetite and curiosity, it has to be both. I don't have an issue at the same time of going after these narco terrorists in these boats, but it would seem to me, dp, what might be better to reconcile. I think even what then. Senator Biden was saying maybe intercept these guys, find out who the big guys are behind them. They're not the ones. These guys in these little boats. I want to stop them, but they're not the guys that are behind these massive criminal enterprises that are flooding our country with these drugs. And we are kidding ourselves if we don't address what Kennedy so eloquently laid out. My kids are only 11 and 10, but I don't. You just don't know what they're going to touch or what's going to happen. You got to drill in them. That appetite and that curiosity. We got to figure out how we stop that.
Host/Moderator
You can do both.
Greg Gutfeld
You can do both.
Host/Moderator
You can do both.
Harold Ford Jr.
I know, but so. But I don't think this is necessarily the best way to do it.
Host/Moderator
So you can't do both?
Harold Ford Jr.
No, no. The best way. No, no, no, no, no. When I say I don't think blowing up these boats, sure, some of them, but figure out who's behind all of this.
Host/Moderator
As long as I think you could do that and you could do what you're talking about. You can do three things.
Harold Ford Jr.
You can do four or five. I agree with that. I agree with you. Now, I will say this. I remember after Operation Midnight Hammer, there was a lot of media frenzy and speculation from the left and the right and about what happened, how successful the mission was, and Secretary Hexseth and Lt. Gen. Kaine, who I think at the time called him Raising Cain, might have Been the Joint Chiefs already. They stood before the press corps and took a variety of questions as I listened to Secretary Hexseth and President Trump and Ms. Levitt and Admiral Bradley. They don't all seem to be on the same page over the last few days. DP would have a much better and smarter perspective on this than I do. But as I just listened to them, I think it would behoove the Secretary and Ms. Admiral Bradley to stand before and answer some of these questions, the questions they can answer, so we can get some of the nonsense behind.
Dana Perino
Because I have to do that today.
Harold Ford Jr.
They didn't do it publicly. They did it before the Senate.
Dana Perino
Maybe they, I mean, but if, but.
Harold Ford Jr.
But all I'm saying is Lieutenant General Kaine and Secretary. Well, they. Hegseth and Kaine went before the country and answered questions about Operation Midnight Hammer. Why can't they go before the country and the press and answer some of these questions?
Jesse Waters
I mean, it's a one shot deal. This is an ongoing operation.
Harold Ford Jr.
The Iranian thing's an ongoing operation.
Jesse Waters
We blew it to smithereens. I agree with you. I agree with you. I disagree with you.
Harold Ford Jr.
Why do you disagree with.
Jesse Waters
Well, because you can deal with it on the demand side. You gotta stop doing the cocaine, but you also have to take it to the supply side. But Harold, we've been interdicting these ships for four decades as it hasn't worked. I know we've been having Coast Guard cutters go off into the Caribbean and Pacific and capture these boats. And do these guys ever sing to who's the Boss? No, they don't do anything. And then we send them back, we lock them up.
Host/Moderator
And they say, don't you remember Miami Vice?
Jesse Waters
We have to do something different. The argument the Democrats are making is we have to do the same thing we've been doing since 1980, which is treat this as a police action. And it hasn't worked. So now we're taking the fight to the enemy. And we can already tell it's working because Maduro's scared he might leave to the Middle East. Mexico's shaking in their boots. They know that they could be next. And the Colombian guy is like on his last leg. So I like the policy. And it's not a controversial policy. You know Mark Thiessen, Dana. He did an interview today with the acting director of the Defense Intelligence Agency under Barack Hussein Obama. For five years, this guy was calling all the shots. This is what he said. At the heart of it, we use double taps all the time. I mean, some of them probably were injured. Yet you hit him again. And it was something that had bipartisan support on Capitol Hill. How about this, Dan Crenshaw? I can't recall any time in my history of doing counterterrorism ops where we strike a group, whether it's a building or a boat or a vehicle. And then we were like, there's survivors. We have to go. We can't kill them. Of course we killed them. This is not even a debatable issue. If these guys are radioing the cartel and are climbing back, not injured, into the boat and about to pick up the dope and send it back to another boat, then the boat's still operational and the coke is still there and it's a deadly poison to the United States.
Harold Ford Jr.
Let me be clear. I don't disagree. I don't mind them blowing it up. I think they were right. My only point is Kennedy raises the point we're trying to figure out is how do we combat and reduce drug use and deaths in our country? And we have to do all of this. So you stop doing this. And you need to correct yourself because I said exactly that.
Jesse Waters
Charlie Sheen already quit, so we're on our way.
Dana Perino
Harold, it only took us 27 minutes to get your blood pressure up.
Harold Ford Jr.
No, my blood pressure is fine.
Dana Perino
Okay, he's fine. He's fine, everybody. Up next at Halle Berry, just nuke Gavin Newsom's presidential ambitions.
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Greg Gutfeld
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Greg Gutfeld
Hello, Oscar winner Halle Berry nuking Gavin Newsom's presidential dreams right before he even stepped on stage at the New York Times Dealbook Summit.
Dana Perino
And here's why.
Greg Gutfeld
Back in my great state of California, my very own Governor Gavin Newsom has vetoed our menopause bill not one, but.
Dana Perino
Two years in a row.
Greg Gutfeld
But that's okay because he's not going to be governor forever.
And with the way he's overlooked women half the population by devaluing us in midlife, he probably should not be our next president either. Just saying.
And I'm just listening.
Dana Perino
Hallie.
Greg Gutfeld
Well said. Then doing his usual Trump bashing routine and claiming Democrats need to be more culturally normal with his one foot twisted up like a pretzel at Auntie Ann's. What is going on there? That's the Strangest thing with his appendages.
Dana Perino
Jesse.
Jesse Waters
Yeah. That was like a yoga position. No real man sits like that. And that's gonna haunt him in this campaign. I will make it haunt him. He's got a lot of problems. One, the Halle Berry problem. I don't understand the problem because I don't know what menopause is. I know you're not supposed to admit you don't know things on cable news, but I do not know what menopause is. I know it's something that happens to women in the 60s.
Host/Moderator
No, earlier. Could be even 40s.
Harold Ford Jr.
Go back to not knowing. How do you.
Greg Gutfeld
Thank you, Harold.
Jesse Waters
Anyway, it seems to be a big problem. I'm gonna probably read up about it. Affordability problem. That's another huge problem. So he's going to run in an era of affordability, and it is the least affordable state in the union. And it's the biggest separation between rich and poor in the union. So I don't know how he can go around bragging he's the guy when he's not the guy. Third, the Palisades problem. You were talking about this yesterday in the commercial. I was listening to this on the radio today. They have still not approved one permit. Not one single house has been rebuilt. Trump is going to build the ballroom before one single house is built in the Palisades. The LA City Council just yesterday voted to not waive fees to rebuild because they want the money. Well, they wouldn't have gotten the money if the whole place hadn't burned down. So it's not their money to begin with. This is going to kill Gavin Newsom if he's president.
Greg Gutfeld
Well, it's interesting because Jesse brings up the voters, the Democrats, the wealthy people who've lost their homes, who are going to turn their back on the governor. How did they not know that Halle Berry had an ax to grind with Gavin Newsom before she went out to introduce him? And is this problematic in terms of other women in the state who might have fallen apart?
Dana Perino
Let me just tell you, don't mess with women going through menopause. Right, Jesse?
Host/Moderator
It's a hot flash.
Greg Gutfeld
It is.
Dana Perino
So Governor U Haul is basically like, how do you make your state with that kind of weather, with that kind of beauty? And it's the one that people want to leave the most. The other thing is that we haven't talked about yet is so she has a menopause company.
Jesse Waters
Okay.
Dana Perino
And it's this type of company is becoming very popular.
Jesse Waters
Jesse, I will be an investor to.
Dana Perino
Talk about These things in this company want to be an investor.
Jesse Waters
Yes, sure.
Dana Perino
And so I don't know why they didn't know, but here's what I would imagine is they didn't think to look. And that is her point is that women like her continue to be overlooked. Yes.
Greg Gutfeld
And I think that's one of those things that will stick with him. You know, the idea that he devalues women. Harold, I hear this over and over again about the Governor of California. It's a problem.
Harold Ford Jr.
Look, it appears that there's an issue between him and Ms. Barry. He should get that issue worked out. I do believe that the issues that are also going to be on his ballot if he decides to run, and who knows if he will be successful or not. But the President of the United States has given you the affordability issue. The elections have told you that's what the issue is. Can you imagine if he was talking about housing and talking about easing permitting there in California, for that matter, around the country, if he said, we're going to get down payment assistance for those who are engaged in work, in air traffic and maritime professions where we need a larger group of Americans to devote energy and resources to doing what? If we said we're going to lift tariffs on all food to try to help reduce prices in our grocery stores as a part of an effort to do this, the President said he was going to try to lift tariffs on some food products. It'd be great to lift them on all food products. This is what I would be talking about if I were Democrats in our education system. Dana talks about it all the time and we echo it on this. On this show. We need a greater emphasis on vocational schools, a greater emphasis on helping people learn trades. This is something that AI cannot replace. I don't hear any Democrat talking about this in any sustained way. Maybe if we played the whole interview with at the Deal Book Summit there, he might have gotten to it. But that's all I would be talking about. If I were Governor Newsom and I would advise him one more time, I'd try to have a quick sit down with Halle Berry and figure this thing out.
Greg Gutfeld
I'm sure you would.
Harold Ford Jr.
No, not like that.
Greg Gutfeld
All right, Greg.
Host/Moderator
It would be, what is menopause?
Jesse Waters
What does it say?
Host/Moderator
What is menopause? Come on, Grok. This has been a problem with Grok all day. Probably doesn't know what it is. He's AI, probably a dude.
Jesse Waters
Elon Musk doesn't know.
Greg Gutfeld
They don't care.
Host/Moderator
They don't care. Okay. I don't care either. I'm going to tell you, I don't care about menopause as much as I care about men in sports. Oh, here she is.
Halle. In March 2021, Halle Berry signed an open letter put out by Glad that blasted anti trans legislation. They denounced efforts to keep boys who think they're girls out of women's sports. She backed the wrong team. She didn't back women. She didn't back girls. She also apologized to the trans community because she said she would consider playing a trans man and then she misgendered him. So now, okay, we're supposed to care about. You're not a feminist. You are not a feminist if you do not defend young women in sports. Now you got a company. Oh, menopause.
Jesse Waters
Menopause.
Host/Moderator
Fine. That's great. Why don't you deal with young women now? They're the ones who are immediately being threatened by predatory men in women's sports and women's safe spaces in women's shelters. I mean, Holly, Google women's shelters and trans females crime. Just Google it, it'll blow your mind. Women's lock. Like I said, women's and women's prisons. They're putting male rapists in women's prisons and you're going to come here and lecture us about menopause? No, thanks.
Harold Ford Jr.
Menopause is a natural biological stage in a woman's life when menstrual periods permanently. Stop gesture.
Jesse Waters
Oh, I knew that.
Harold Ford Jr.
Usually happens at ages 45 and 55 and is diagnosed after 12 consecutive months without a period.
Jesse Waters
If I had gotten that as a multiple choice question, I would have gotten that right.
Greg Gutfeld
Thank goodness. And next time on biology at 5. Ahead, Trump's money pit bull takes a chunk out of the New York Times.
Dana Perino
Stay with us.
Host/Moderator
For too long.
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Drug.
Jesse Waters
President Trump's Treasury Secretary Scott Besant ripping into a New York Times reporter over a major double standard on Trump's health coverage. Watch.
Harold Ford Jr.
I actually don't read the New York Times anymore. You had what was the greatest, one of the greatest scandals of all time that the coverage of the Biden administration.
Host/Moderator
Joe Biden's diminished capacity and the COVID And that's why it's probably fair to raise these questions.
Harold Ford Jr.
Where was the New York Times? We just had a three hour cabinet meeting yesterday, Andrew. For 10 months, the Biden administration did not have a Cabinet meeting. How are you going to invoke the 25th Amendment if the Cabinet secretaries never see the president, which they didn't.
Jesse Waters
Do you think Andrew's okay?
Greg Gutfeld
No, Andrew's not Okay. After that, he got a little bit of a whooping, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's having a hard time sitting down today. And the point that Scott Bessant raises is very, very important because I think the press should be skeptical. The press should ask questions. And they did that during the first Trump administration. If you remember the press conference with Ronny Jackson when they were lobbing everything at him. You know, does he have schizop? Does he have herpes? And they went on and on and on, trying to get him to stumble, and then nothing. During the Biden administration, I was hopeful that this is what the press would become after the first Trump administration. But then they completely receded, which means they're hypocritical and untrustworthy, and now all of a sudden, they're activating to ask these questions. I don't have a problem with it. If they do this for every single president, regardless of gender or age or ideology or party.
Jesse Waters
And, Harold, every time anyone comes face to face with a liberal journalist, they should pull a Besant, because they really haven't still been held to account.
Harold Ford Jr.
So I don't know if they should pull a. Ben. I think the secretary was very clever there in answering that question. I think it's legitimate. I think I agree with Kennedy. It's appropriate and legitimate to ask questions of any president. And there's no doubt the media failed during the Biden era. It was not until President Biden. It's not until his poor performance against President Trump in that debate that you begin to see en masse, a chorus of Democrats said he should not be the nominee. If I were Secretary Besant, what I was hoping to hear also from that are just some more. Some more of their ideas about reducing prices. That's what I'd be focused on. But look, he was clever to do that. You know what? Not only was he clever, he was right. The media didn't ask those questions of President Biden, but that shouldn't preclude them from asking questions about President Trump.
Jesse Waters
Dana.
Dana Perino
Well, the thing is that the Trump administration, the entire Cabinet, is willing to go and talk to anybody, like Tom Homan does. The daily podcast. That's the New York Times podcast, does it regularly. And they ask him very tough questions, and he's willing to do it. The Biden administration didn't do any of that. They would get so mad if you didn't ask them softball questions when it comes to Trump's health versus Biden's health. I think if I were Andrew I would have just skipped that question. You know, you don't have to ask every question. I think one thing he could have asked him is about Andrew Sorkin. Just wrote up a book, it's a best seller. It's called 1929 and it looks at the year before the crash. I would, I would have loved to ask Bessant, where do you think we are if we take lessons from history? Where are we right now when it comes to the stock market and see what he thinks about the AI bubble? Like that would have been very. And maybe he didn't. Also not playing the whole clip. Maybe they did ask about that as well.
Host/Moderator
Greg Gutfeld, you know, the secret to effective persuasion is when you go for the throat, you smile. I love, I love Bassett because whenever he's making his point, he's enjoying it. You know, he's, he eviscerates people, but he's just having a great time when he does it. There's, I've, I've really never seen him angry when he's doing this. And that's, it's a testament to some of the people that Trump has picked this time around. They're effective and they're smart. How did Sorkin not see this coming? It was like Jerry Nadler walking down a desert. It's like you could see it a mile away. You know, are you that, like, you know, out trapped in your close circle of friends? Every liberal should know by now that after the Biden cover up, anytime you mention Trump's cognitive ability, you will be humiliated. It's like OJ Simpson coming up to you and saying, hey, should you treat your wife better? It doesn't work. He's dead, by the way, so it's impossible.
Jesse Waters
Coming up next, do you buy this? Taylor and Travis never had a fight.
Host/Moderator
Hey, jen.
Harold Ford Jr.
Welcome back. Now, do you buy this? Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce have never had a fight. Watch this.
Jesse Waters
Well, it's only been two and a.
Harold Ford Jr.
Half years, and you're right, I haven't gotten an argument.
All right. Never once. Jesse, is he brilliant or is he not telling us the truth?
Jesse Waters
Well, I don't know. I'm trying to think of the last time Emma and I had a fight. We don't fight ever. But there was something. I wouldn't call it a fight. Come, come to me last. Let me think about it. Let me think, let me think about it.
Harold Ford Jr.
I think there was your thoughts on this.
Greg Gutfeld
He's terrified of her. That's why he will never fight back, because she's a billionairess. And he is on the waning end of his career.
Harold Ford Jr.
D.P. you believe this?
Dana Perino
I think that people who never have even tussles or disagreements. Maybe he thinks of a fight as something else, however he defines it.
Harold Ford Jr.
That's a good point.
Dana Perino
Maybe, like if you don't ever have sort of with your spouse and it makes it harder when like the big things come up.
Harold Ford Jr.
Mr. Gutfeld, your thoughts? Yeah.
Host/Moderator
I mean, basically saying he's going to learn how to fight while he's fighting with her when they're married. Because you will.
Harold Ford Jr.
That's like.
Host/Moderator
Imagine a football player approaching the field and then looking at you. You know, I never played a lick of football. That's exactly what he just said. You know, arguing to women is what sports is to men.
Jesse Waters
Greg is absolutely right. You never argue with a woman. You turn into a woman, what you want to do with a woman.
Host/Moderator
Is that what I said?
Jesse Waters
Yeah. No, it's true. You can't argue with them. You just have to not fight. You just have to be silent. You give her the silent treatment. Just breathe. Maybe go into the other room. You don't say yes. You don't say yes, Dana.
Host/Moderator
See, that's.
Jesse Waters
That's her advice.
Host/Moderator
Guys.
Jesse Waters
Don't listen to her. Listen to me. And then eventually they calm down.
Harold Ford Jr.
You think Travis listened to that? We'll see. One more thing. One more thing is up next. Merry Christmas.
Jesse Waters
Time with you to have a merry, merry Christmas.
Harold Ford Jr.
Hi, folks. I like to tell you.
Host/Moderator
Dana.
Dana Perino
Okay, I saw this today and I thought you might want to see.
Greg Gutfeld
It's a tough.
Dana Perino
It's not always easy being a reporter out in the field. Watch here. What happened to this young woman?
Harold Ford Jr.
Oh, that's a bird.
Host/Moderator
They call that a Fabian.
Dana Perino
Do you think Johnny's ever been through something like that? That's a real veteran right there. Glad she's okay.
Host/Moderator
Are you? Yeah, I don't think. I don't believe that for a second. All right, it's me. Okay, Tonight, Michael Loftus. Tudor Dixon. Cat Tim Tyrus. That's tonight. Let's do this. Greg's Absolutely Disgusting News with Brett Hume.
Check out this baby kangaroo peeking out of her mom's pouch. See that little thing?
Jesse Waters
Oh, whoa.
Host/Moderator
You think it's a belly button, but it's a newborn three kangaroo. Something else at the Chester Zoo. No, it's not a penis, Jesse. Baby Kang kangaroos are called. Joey is much like my good friend from New Kids on the block, Joey McIntyre. Kangaroos are born into their mother's pouches. Hey, there. Six to nine months. Like my good friend Juan Williams does when he's on vacation. Anyway, it's safe and it's warm and it's well fed. Look at that little thing poking out of there, huh? Yeah, I see what you mean. Jesse does look like a penis.
All right, Jesse, do they stay in.
Jesse Waters
The pouch for nine months?
Dana, you're all right.
I think we know what's going on there.
Tonight. Jesse Waters primetime Tony Robbins has a big announcement. 8pm 8pm.
Host/Moderator
Harold Wow.
Harold Ford Jr.
I don't even know how to get into my thing, but University of Michigan. We lost Ohio State over the last weekend, but our basketball team is now ranked number one in the country. Had three big wins over the Thanksgiving weekend against San Diego State, Auburn, Gonzaga. With first team in AP Poll era to ever win two consecutive games. About 30 points or more and they were both ranked teams. Go blue.
Greg Gutfeld
Don't let Chris Weber call a timeout. Yeah. Look at this tiny seal. Walked into a bar in New Zealand, said, bartender says we have a drink named after you. He said, really? You have a drink called Chauncy? He crawled under the dishwasher. They got him out with salmon.
Dana Perino
That really happened.
Jesse Waters
Oh, salmon.
Host/Moderator
That's it for us.
Harold Ford Jr.
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Date: December 5, 2025
Host: Greg Gutfeld
Panelists: Kennedy, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters, Dana Perino
This episode of "The Five" dives into President Trump’s latest economic initiatives—dubbed the “Affordability Tour”—and the larger debate over inflation, affordability, and the impact of regulatory changes on the auto industry. The panel also discusses the White House’s proposed baby “Dell accounts” (wealth-building accounts for children), high-profile drug interdictions by the U.S. military, media double standards, women’s issues, and a pop cultural aside involving Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce.
Throughout, the show blends spirited debate, pointed criticism, humor, and personal anecdotes to address current controversies and policy debates from a conservative, often skeptical perspective.
Timestamps: 00:50–03:54
"They were forced to make electric vehicles that drivers didn’t want to buy. ... The tax credits weren’t enough to offset the cost and ... Ford stopped making a lot of those EVs." (02:56)
"Hybrids right now are the way to go... You can go to a gas station and still put fuel in your car. It’s under three bucks a gallon for the first time... And you can go home and charge it." (03:19)
Timestamps: 03:54–05:57
"The interesting thing on this one is you do have at least the first billionaires, Michael and Susan Dell, saying okay, here’s $6.5 billion to get us started." (04:28)
"What I think it does is it gives kids who feel left out... more Americans today feel that the American dream is out of reach for their kids. ... This is one way to do it." (09:04)
Timestamps: 05:57–11:53
"If I were the President, I would just say, listen, hold my hand. I will take you to the golden age... I would hammer these things: energy, stock market, jobs, jobs, jobs." (06:53)
"If you believe you can say, just wait and wait and wait. People will wait, but your party will lose." (11:04)
Timestamps: 01:57–03:54
Timestamps: 14:10–25:08
"I love watching people who were suddenly experts at war crimes because they have, like, grok or AI... By corrupting the media industry, they built this house where they have no credibility for the future..." (15:51)
"The best way to do that is to reduce demand in this country. ... Blowing the living crap out of boats... they will find another way." (17:12)
"Guy goes out... buys a Xanax off a friend and he dies. That's not recreational drugs. That's murder." (19:15)
Timestamps: 25:56–32:38
"It’s the least affordable state... the biggest separation between rich and poor..." (27:19)
Timestamps: 33:20–36:44
"The press should be skeptical... But then they completely receded [under Biden], which means they're hypocritical and untrustworthy." (34:05)
Timestamps: 38:06–39:54
On EV and Market Realities:
Greg Gutfeld (02:56):
"They were forced to make electric vehicles that drivers didn’t want to buy... Ford stopped making a lot of those EVs knowing that they were going to get penalized with these Biden era fees. But now what they can do is actually respond to the market, which is what they should be doing.”
On Baby Accounts:
Harold Ford Jr. (09:04):
"25 years ago I did. In Congress we introduced a baby account bill... I could not be more thrilled that Democrats, Republicans alike and President Trump is doing this. ... This is one way to do it."
On Fentanyl Crisis:
Host/Moderator (19:14):
"This is basically homicide. You're killing hundreds of... Guy goes out, does. Buys a Xanax off a friend and he dies. That's not recreational drugs. That's murder."
On Media Standards:
Greg Gutfeld (34:05):
"Are you that, like, out trapped in your close circle of friends? Every liberal should know by now... anytime you mention Trump's cognitive ability, you will be humiliated."
The conversation is fast-paced, laced with sarcasm, off-the-cuff humor, and cross-talk. Panelists mix critique of Democratic policies and media with self-aware jests and pop cultural references. Personal stories and "real talk" undergird their commentary, aiming to reflect, as they suggest, the perspective of everyday Americans.
This episode breaks down President Trump’s new economic pitch, media narratives, cultural controversies, and everyday affordability—from fuel economy to personal finances. The Five engage in robust debate over policy, messaging, and the political implications of current events, while offering a blend of critique and comic relief for their audience.