War Ravaged

Summary

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The Five – "War Ravaged"

Podcast: The Five (FOX News Podcasts)
Date: September 29, 2025
Main Hosts: Dana Perino, Jesse Watters, Emily Compagno, Jessica Tarlov, Lawrence Jones

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Main Theme

The episode dives into the political and social unrest surrounding anti-ICE protests in Portland and Chicago, President Trump’s National Guard deployments, the political rhetoric escalating violence, the culture war over “toxic masculinity” with a Dana White interview, and a segment on the controversial legacy of Assata Shakur. The hosts debate heated issues on law enforcement, federal vs. local authority, party extremism, and cultural values in America.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Federal Response to Protests: Portland & Chicago Unrest

[01:32 – 12:46]

• Context: Violent protests around ICE facilities have led President Trump to deploy National Guard troops to Portland, despite resistance from Oregon officials. Similar tensions flare in Chicago, prompting pushback from state and city leaders.

• Analysis:

  • Dana Perino draws parallels to past protests and moments when political narratives have clashed with on-the-ground reality.
  • Jesse Watters supports the strong federal move, arguing that lawlessness is out of control in Portland, painting the state’s leaders as more anti-Trump than pro-order:

    "It’s like heads I win, tails you lose…every Antifa is going to come out of the woodwork…we’re going to round these people up and…hit them with federal charges, not these small-ball misdemeanors from some Soros DA." (03:34)

  • Emily Compagno stresses state sovereignty, arguing the president oversteps by normalizing a militarized cityscape:

    "Oregon, I trust the AG there who says we have enough people to deal with this. And they have been dealing with it for several months...President Trump and the administration want to normalize militarized cities. They've talked about it." (06:20)

  • Jessica Tarlov calls out local officials’ failure, citing Portland crime stats (homicide up 144%, non-fatal shootings up 241%) as proof the federal response is justified:

    "Any Portlandian person will tell you that it has been utterly destroyed…" (09:40)

• Memorable Quote:

  • Jesse Watters:

    "Who do you think the voters are going to stand by? The people that allow the criminals to terrorize them?" (11:51)

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2. Escalation of Political Rhetoric & Party Extremism

[13:41 – 23:44]

• John Fetterman Calls for Calmer Language:

  • Fetterman urges Democrats to dial down incendiary labels ("Nazis," "fascist") toward Republicans and ICE.

    “Unchecked extreme rhetoric like labels as Hitler and fascist will foment more extreme outcomes. Political violence is always wrong. No exceptions.” (14:07)

• Rising Political Violence & Hypocrisy:

  • Emily Compagno argues both sides exploit violence for narrative but points to statistics showing right-wing violence is higher. She calls for focus on mental health, not political demonization:

    "If a leftist or someone had killed someone and had a dark Brandon flag or a Biden Harris flag, you don't think that…that would have been the first thing they would have said." (17:22)

  • Lawrence Jones retorts that the left incites violence against law enforcement and Republicans, referencing polling on support for political assassinations among Democrats:

    "Did you see the poll where it was like 20% of Democrats said they believed in political assassinations?" (19:16)

• Rhetorical Hypocrisy:

  • Discussion on “both sides” and moral clarity, with Jessica Tarlov urging her party to unequivocally reject political violence:

    “When did common sense make you have to switch parties from that? …you can always switch from a complete delusion and incendiary fomenting point of view to common sense and stay within whatever title you want to have in your party.” (21:34)

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3. Culture War: Toxic Masculinity & UFC with Dana White

[24:02 – 30:42]

• Segment Setup: Dana White, UFC head, is interviewed about the concept of “toxic masculinity.”

  • Dana White:

    “What's the definition of toxic? How can somebody be too masculine?...The answer is hell no.” (25:00–25:09)

• Host Reactions & Wider Debate:

  • Dana Perino: Critiques the media for asking vague questions about "toxic masculinity":

    “If you’re a journalist and you bring up something like ‘what about toxic masculinity?’ … And he says ‘what’s that mean?’ and you say, ‘you tell me.’ That is not a journalistic question.” (25:15)

  • Emily Compagno: Defends harnessed aggression in sports, claiming discipline channels innate masculinity positively:

    “This is what happens when you channel what is an innate…aggression, assertiveness, confidence in young men into the right way. … That’s what this arena base is.” (27:21)

  • Jessica Tarlov: Asks why Democrats avoid attending UFC matches and challenges the simplistic view of masculinity.

• Notable Moments:

  • Light banter about training in jiu-jitsu, and a riff on how “men have taken their place back in society”—suggesting the culture has shifted past the toxic masculinity debate. (26:36, 27:00s)

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4. Controversial Tribute to Assata Shakur

[31:35 – 37:32]

• Context: The death of convicted cop killer and fugitive Assata Shakur, and subsequent tributes from the Chicago Teachers Union and Rep. Ayanna Pressley, spark outrage from the panel.

• Host Critiques:

  • Jessica Tarlov:

    “It reminded me of when those protesters forced FBI agents who didn’t have spines to kneel down. You’re going to repeat after me as I quote a cop killer.” (32:41)

  • Jesse Watters:

    “Barack Obama put her on the most wanted list for the FBI. I mean, this used to be the reasonable position. If you murder a cop, we disown you. … They have been hijacked.” (34:27)

  • Dana Perino: Calls out a NJ gubernatorial candidate for failing to denounce Shakur, draws a contrast with their quick criticisms of right-leaning victims.
  • Emily Compagno: Notes most Democrats see Shakur’s celebration as “shameful and depraved” and laments the poor priorities of institutions like the Chicago Teachers Union.

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5. Quick Topics: Habits, Animal Stories, and Uplifting Moments

[38:10 – End]

• Brief discussion on research showing 90% of daily actions are on autopilot.

  • Emily Compagno: “You don’t need to break free of a habit, you just need to reprogram…your brain works on autopilot.” (39:16)

• One More Thing: A Las Vegas cat befriends a coyote, the British penny farthing comes back, a man rescues women from floodwaters, goose attacks a golfer, and a pit bull is adopted after 500 days in a shelter—light closing moments.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On protest violence:

  • “This has been like a three month siege at a federal courthouse. ... [They’ve] shot lasers into the eyes of federal law enforcement…They’ve cut out the fiber optics of the building…”
    —Jesse Watters (03:34)

• On political violence:

  • “The hypocrisy is astounding. If you want to have a message of tolerance... make that your message, no matter who’s killing people.”
    —Emily Compagno (18:35)

• On toxic masculinity:

  • "How can somebody be too masculine?...The answer is hell no."
    —Dana White (25:06–25:09)

• On the Shakur tribute:

  • "If you murder a cop, we disown you. But that's not the modern day Democratic Party. They have been hijacked."
    —Jesse Watters (34:27)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:32] – Start of main discussion: Portland, ICE, and federal vs. state authority
• [03:34] – Jesse lays out Trump support argument; critique of Democratic optics
• [06:20] – Emily on state rights versus federal intervention
• [09:40] – Jessica on Portland’s surging crime and failed local leadership
• [13:41] – Rhetoric: Fetterman calls for lowering the temperature
• [17:22] – Emily on violence statistics and political hypocrisy
• [21:34] – Jessica on moral clarity versus party identity
• [24:02] – Toxic masculinity, UFC, and Dana White interview
• [31:35] – The Assata Shakur controversy
• [38:10] – Daily habits and autopilot
• [40:29] – Good news/“One More Thing” wrap-up

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Tone and Language

The tone is energetic, combative, and occasionally sarcastic, consistent with the panel’s signature style. There’s sharp attribution of blame, emotional appeals (especially around law enforcement and violence), and good-natured ribbing in lighter segments.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode covered the latest clashes between federal power and local control, especially around high-profile protests, while tracing how rhetoric, culture, and even popular sports like UFC are tangled in wider American conflicts. It’s an emblematic Five episode—part news analysis, part culture war, part barroom argument, heavily colored by the panel’s strong viewpoints and quick-fire interplay.

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Transcript

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[Dana Perino]

Hello everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Emily Compagno, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters and Lawrence Jones. Five o' clock in New York City and this is the five.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Dana Perino]

Anti ICE chaos erupting outside a facility in Portland, Oregon over the weekend as President Trump vows to use, quote, full force if necessary, sending in 200 members of the National Guard to help quell that violence. And that ICE facility in question has been the scene of nightly protests for several months and that's plagued local residents there. However, Oregon doesn't want the help. The state attorney general filed a federal lawsuit to block the Guard and the governor chimed in too. Portland and the state of Oregon believe in the rule of law.

[Emily Compagno]

There is no insurrection.

[Dana Perino]

There is no threat to national security, and there is no need for military troops in our major city. So it's not just Oregon. Dozens of federal immigration agents patrolling the downtown area of Chicago. That's after protests erupted at the ICE processing center in the Chicago suburb of Broadview, Illinois. DHS says police have taken guns off the hands of some of those protesters. And Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker, well, he's not happy about the deployment.

[Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker]

We received numerous confirmed reports of federal agents from ICE and Customs and Border Patrol abusing their power, intimidating innocent civilians, and waging war on our people. All of this has been aimed at causing chaos and mayhem. This is about sowing fear and intimidation and division among Americans. Our residents and visitors who are shopping and eating are made to feel unsafe by the jackbooted thugs roaming around a peaceful downtown.

[Dana Perino]

Jesse, this reminded me a little bit of scenes we've seen in the past. Like in 2020 when you had the protests and people would say, oh, that's mostly peaceful, but in the split screen you see that it's not. Or during the border crisis, you would have Democrats say the border is Secure Corinne Jean Pierre saying the border is secure. Meantime, we've got Bill Malusian or Griff Jenkins down at the border. And you see the split screen. Of course there are very nice parts of Portland, but are they denying that that is actually happening what you're seeing on the screen?

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, they're saying it's like heads I win, tails you lose. So Trump sends the guard in and there's a huge clash with antifa. He's going to say, see, these people are crazy. Thank God we sent these guys in. But if he goes in and it's common, he can pacify it. He can say, see, I did the Portland what I did to D.C. this is working. You know when you drop a popsicle on the ground, Dana, and all the ants come in and they start eating it and they get stuck in the popsicle. This is what's going to happen in Port Portland. Every antifa is going to come out of the woodwork and they're just going to clash with ICE and the troops and they're just going to get arrested. And that's the point. We're going to round these people up and then when you hit them with federal charges, not these small ball misdemeanors from some Soros DA they're looking at 20 years. So they're going to snitch on their comrades, their financiers, and we'll be able to roll these guys up pretty well. These are not small crimes. This has been like a three month siege at a federal courthouse. This. They've shot lasers into the eyes of federal law enforcement blinding them. They've cut out the fiber optics of the building so they have no Internet. Arson, assault. They've barricaded the building so you can't get ICE fans in and out of there. It's a big problem. And SCOTUS has already said he's allowed to do this. I don't understand the Democrats with these bad optics. They thought it looked good in L. A when guys were waving Mexican flags and torching cop cars. Or it looks good when you're against the crime crackdown in D.C. and that city is like the most peaceful city in the country now, I believe, and Jessica will probably agree with me, they would rather have crime high than give Trump credit for lowering it. Because the crime in Portland has been bad. The murders have doubled. Arsons up, violent assault is all up. And he's going to be going city to city throughout the entire year hammering crime, hammering illegal immigration. And what are Democrats going to do? They're going to be pro crime, pro illegal immigration and they're going to look dangerous and they're going to look reckless and they're going to look stupid. And you can't defend Ms. 13 criminals Antifa late night millionaires Comey while the president is out there defending police, citizens, the military. It's just a bad look and they're making the same mistakes they made going into the last election.

[Dana Perino]

Jessica One of the things my time, my friend in D.C. they said that on Capitol Hill they were walking around the other night, the National Guard was there, everybody seemed happy with it. The mayor seems to accept to them. And so that as that works there, if there is proof of concept in other places like Chicago or Portland, will the protests back down?

[Emily Compagno]

Well, there's a difference between D.C. and these other places because Donald Trump is actually in charge of D.C. the other states elect their own governments and they are the ones who are responsible for the health and safety of their citizenry and have a right to push back against a president that has not been invited to send his troops. And he's already been overruled by a court for what he did in Los Angeles where they said you can send them but they can only guard that building. So we're going to have a couple hundred National Guard members standing around one building and that's what it's going to end up being. Or you'll have scenes like we had from Chicago. I'm sure you guys saw a delivery guy went by, ICE officers that were standing there wearing masks just in the middle of the day, a nice kind of, you know, fall day in Chicago. And I think he yelled F Trump at them. And then you see them chasing him down the street and he gets away. And that's what a lot of people think is going on here, that it is unnecessary. And that doesn't mean that there isn't a way to work together. Maybe on the south side of Chicago, but in Oregon, I trust the AG there who says we have enough people to deal with this. And they have been dealing with it for several months. President Trump and the administration want to normalize militarized cities. They've talked about it. It doesn't bother them. It doesn't bother Jesse. He would if we walked outside there. He, he wouldn't be upset if he saw a militarized New York City.

[Lawrence Jones]

Kathy Hochul put the guard in the subway and you didn't have a problem with that.

[Emily Compagno]

Hochul is in charge of New York State. Donald Trump is not in charge of Oregon or in charge of Illinois. But he doesn't seem to understand that. And when he floats this emergency power says, well, I'll call a national emergency. That to me, my spidey sense goes off. I think back to what happened in the 2020 election when he decided, I won this election, I'm going to do whatever I want in order to stay in power. That he doesn't want to have an election in 2026. He'll say, oh, oh, we're having an emergency. I can't have our normal voting days.

[Dana Perino]

You can't have male thinks it's going to win.

[Emily Compagno]

I don't think, let me.

[Dana Perino]

You don't get Emily in here because Kathy Hobo and the guard into the subways for four days to check people's like check my backpack. And then that went away because that was about politics. That wasn't about anything other than that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Which is ironic considering that one of Morgan's arguments is that this situation is a political stunt. If Trump wants to normalize militarizing cities, which I disagree with, libs want to normalize crime. That's what's so frightening about this. The contrast to me is, is it would be laughable if it wasn't with the collateral damage of a totally destroyed city of that group of like six middle aged women in the sunshine wearing like striped sweaters in probably like the northwest district of Portland and it's sunny and everything's awesome and. And you juxtapose that imagery with what we show on our networks, which seem to escape all networks in the Portland area of showing these federal agents being violently attacked ruthlessly and relentlessly and the logic and the legality of the local and state officials usurping or pushing back against the usurping of President Trump's executive power only works if they haven't abdicated their duty. Homicide rose 144% since 2020 in Portland. Non fatal shootings 241%. And yet the mayor there dismantled, remember, dismantled their gun, their SWAT like gun crimes unit. And then he tried to dismantle police responding to violence. And so when park rangers did, they had to call the cops when they had to face freaks with guns and knives. It is a joke that the Oregon state and the Oregon local elected officials seem to think the facts don't support dad stepping in when there is complete chaos with the nanny in the home when the kids are running around destroying businesses. And I feel like when we look at the prosecution rates right, they are less than, or you could say over 80% that are declined to prosecute on the local level. Oregon thinks that posse comitatus is going to be the motto. The whole point is if you're not taking care of your citizens state, then the federal government is going to do it for you. And any Portlandian person will tell you that it has been utterly destroyed with businesses and property values and homes, including my own dad who had to move out of the city. So we live the trash every day, all day. Please, President Trump, thank you for sending in someone that actually knows what they're doing.

[Jesse Waters]

I just love how the liberals are complaining and crying, saying the local government, local government while being in sanctuary cities like local control. Local control while telling people you don't have to abide by federal law, you can come in here, you can break immigration law, you can hire people illegally in the country and that's totally fine. And then when the federal government comes in and say, actually you really don't have the authority to do that, there's something called the supremacy clause. They flood them and they assault the cops there on the ground. Now remember, this is a part that has defunded the police. We saw that work crimes soared all over the country. They allow people to just set things on fire, assault cops on a day to day basis, demoralize them. And what did the residents get? Now the people in the poor neighborhoods, they got the gang bangers running the streets because they realized there was an opening. Now you have an establishment of order now in all of these cities. Now they did have the talking point, oh, they're just targeting liberal states. But then the Republican governor say, actually we'll take the reinforcement. So they've changed their policy prescription. I love how Trump is doing this. I remember doing the Freddie Gray case in Baltimore and the mom was watching her son on TV acting a fool, assaulting cops, throwing rocks and she left her apartment and ran down there and pulled him by his ear and brought him back home and whooped his tail all the way home. That's what the President is doing right now. Now when it comes to the election, who do you think the voters are going to stand by? The people that allow the criminals to terrorize them. Now the Chicago residents, black residents have been going to the city council meeting for months now begging the mayor do something about this. The residents in Portland get these antifi people off the street. They're taking people's power, they're setting up encampments. Who wants the needles all over the place? This is not the way to live. Now if the libs want that going into the next Election. Have at it.

[Dana Perino]

All right, coming up, will his party listen? John Fetterman is pleading with Democrats to stop labeling Republicans as Nazis.

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[Jesse Waters]

So new calls for Democrats to tamp down on the dangerous rhetoric that incites violence against Republicans and ice. Democratic Senator John Fetterman is pleading with his party to cool things down. Posted on X. Unchecked extreme rhetoric like labels as Hitler and fascist will foment more extreme outcomes. Political violence is always wrong. No exceptions. We must all turn the temperature down. But he's not ready to leave his party.

[Lawrence Jones]

Watch.

[John Fetterman]

No, no, I'm not going to switch, you know, but I'm just going to be an independent voice in the Democratic Party. I'm not going to be afraid if people, I mean, and if there are groups attacking a Democrat, you know, the last one in Pennsylvania, then that's, to me, that's part of the problem, you know, in our party. And if you want a Democrat that's going to call people Nazis or fascists or all these kinds of things, well, I'm not going to be that guy, you know, independent thinking and views.

[Jesse Waters]

But is that advice falling on deaf ears? Days after a deadly ICE facility shooting in my home city of Dallas, Democrat Seth Moulton was on CNN comparing agents to the Gestapo.

[Lawrence Jones]

How are we going to handle immigration? We all hate what Trump is doing with ICE and these masked people running around like the Gestapo. But what is Democrats immigration policy?

[Jesse Waters]

So, Dana, I think big changes for the Democratic Party is just too much, just incremental. Don't assault conservatives on college campuses. Don't go after ice. Just small little things.

[Dana Perino]

This a little bit like Dec. I think one of the things happening here is a lot of politics. Okay, so Seth Moulton, who you just saw, he is considering challenging Ed Markey in a primary to run for Senate in Massachusetts. It makes sense, right? Ed Markey, do you know his office was across our office when I worked on Capitol Hill in 1995. Okay, so that's been a long time and maybe it's time for a new generation to come up. Seth Moulton would be one of Those people, he's a veteran. That would make a lot of sense. So I can, I can see that. I also think that Fetterman is poised to become the Joe Manchin 2.0. So let's just say that the Democrats don't get mad. Let's just say the Democrats were to flip one of the, the Senate next year, right? And now you have the Democrats in charge. He could be the Mansion guy. Or let's say, even if they don't, he's like the only one who could actually cut deals with Republicans. So he's, he's sitting in the catbird seat. He's not gloating about it or anything. But if I were John Fetterman, I wouldn't change parties either.

[Jesse Waters]

Jessica, is the base driving this? Is this why there can't be moderation right now is because the base wants fighters?

[Emily Compagno]

Well, the base wants fighters, but the base doesn't want people to die. Those are very separate issues. And the conversation that Fetterman was having with Maria and something that he posted on Twitter, which the deputy White House press secretary did as well, was this chart that Axio has published about this rise in left wing violence. And the right was gleefully tweeting at it, ignoring the fact that the right wing violence was much larger than the left wing violence, which is the truth about it. And you can go anywhere you want for these statistics. You can go to Cato, you can go to the Government Accountability Office, you can go to the center for, what is it, Strategic and International Studies to see that. And in the wake of the absolutely tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk, the right, led by Donald Trump and J.D. vance, wants to make it out as if the left are the only ones who have ever used the word fascist. And you can see a compilation of Stephen Miller saying it. It's passing all over Twitter. You have Donald Trump on tape. You have analyses of how many times that he's referred to Democrats and journalists as evil just in the first six months of his administration. And, you know, I, I think that we should have led this conversation with the tragedies of this weekend. We had more mass shootings, which is just the daily occurrence in American life. And Cash Patel, JD Vance and Donald Trump, Caroline Levin as well, out there with a very different narrative than I would think that they would have, but because it doesn't add up for them. The guy who drove up to the Mormon church, set the place on fire, killed five people, shooting them, was a Trump supporter. He had a Trump. He had a Trump Vance flag in his Backyard, which some on the right are trying to say that it said stop Trump. Doesn't make any sense. And if a leftist or someone had killed someone and had a dark Brandon flag or a Biden Harris flag, you don't think that Cash Patel, that would have been the first thing that he would have said.

[Jesse Waters]

Because the right is, the right is going everywhere saying, go after the Mormon people. You know, there's a difference. You know, there's a difference when there's one person a one off and people that are going not a one off.

[Emily Compagno]

Go back to the Axios chart and you can see how much of a not one off it is. The hypocrisy is astounding. If you want to have a message of tolerance. And let's get these people the mental health they need, because he needed mental help. So did the guy in North Carolina who killed three people at that waterfront bar, a veteran. People who we ignore and don't treat. You know, people said warning signs for decades that had been ignored. Make that your message, no matter who's killing people. But when the shoe is on the other foot and you can't demonize the left for this one, they say nothing. Nothing. Oh, it was just about anti Christian bias. It was a Christian, by the way, killing other Christians.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse, is this the right being hypocritical here?

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, we're not inciting people to go kill Mormons. Like you're inciting people to attack ice like you're inciting people to attack Republicans. That doesn't happen. And if you look in the inner cities, Democrats are slaughtering each other day after day after day. And you don't say anything about that. You ask this question, well, does the base want people to die? Yeah. Did you see the poll where it was like 20% of Democrats said they believed in political assassinations? Did you watch the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk killing? I mean, everybody was clapping on campus. Yeah, yeah, he deserved it, Jessica. Now, if you, if, if I had won a swing state Senate race after having a stroke against, against money bags, celebrity Republican, I think people should listen to me. This guy is like a symbol for the working class, even as the hoodie. And you'd think the Democrats would listen to him. They don't listen to him. They listen to crazy liberal ladies in the cities. And I do feel conflicted, though, because, you know, Jessica, when people say, oh, you know, there's this guy and these ICE people are so crazy, I get mad because it's a lie. But then when she says these ICE people are Abducting and kidnapping innocent hairdressers and sending them to dungeons to be tortured. I think, well, that's scaring a lot of illegals to go home themselves. So the next time Jessica brings up all these scare stories about all these illegals getting rounded up indiscriminately, innocent people being sent overseas, I'm just going to say I agree, because 2 million illegals have seen these scare tactics that Jessica likes to talk about and they have left by themselves and that is actually working on Donald Trump's immigration policy's behalf.

[Jesse Waters]

So, Emily, there was just an assassination on the college campus. They're still terrorizing conservatives on college campuses. There was just an attempted assassination on ICE officers. They're still targeting ice, getting in their faces. They're even calling border patrol races, which is 50% Hispanic. So they keep saying both sides turn down the temperature. But there hasn't even been a little adjustment.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And you can't denounce right wing violence while excusing or supporting, like in that poll, left wing terrorism and comparing ICE agents to Gestapo and Nazis. Especially from the mouth of a veteran like Moulton, shame on him for that. It is not moral clarity. Even though I know the left likes to be elitely better than all of us in an intellectual and moral way. It is just moral malpractice. And it is, it's breeding that kind of chaos that all of this is stemming from. So when you see someone like Senator Fetterman and people sort of being like, well, this must make him a Republican. When did common sense make you have to switch parties from that? Why? You can always switch from a complete delusion and incendiary fomenting point of view to common sense and stay within whatever title you want to have in your party. So I think it makes him this rare Democrat that he is willing to admit that cheap insults get you nowhere, but also that rhetoric matters. And I'm not quite sure why the rest of the leadership in the Democrat Party can't sit down and stand shoulder to shoulder just one time and say, turn it down. And I must say, unequivocally, the President and Caroline Levitt and the FBI director came out and unequivocally condemned that violence, that shooting of the Mormon charts, they called it for what it is immediately. We have heard more from this administration.

[Emily Compagno]

Than guys politics than Tyler Robinson's or the kid who shot the detainee at ice. And they, they certainly didn't say, I just, oh, I heard he had a Trump flag. I disown him. I disavow that that's not what we're about.

[Jesse Waters]

A note. And they also inscribed the cases of the bullet. They didn't have to vote for the last because they told you they were what their motive was. They you're bringing.

[Emily Compagno]

They were out here online, kids. And when I brought that up, I got Pooh poohed or who cares? Who cares? Because he's with a trans person, that means he's one of yours. But that's what I was met with when I say get people mental health help and take away the guns, for God's sake.

[Jessica Tarlov]

To this administration. The whole point is the politics don't matter that we actually see a life equaling a life equaling a life. It is the left that seems to think politics matters, whether a life is worthwhile or not. And that is the difference.

[Jesse Waters]

We gotta go. Up next, the UFC's head honcho Dana White mocks the idea of toxic masculinity. That's next. Made in America.

[Lawrence Jones]

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[Jesse Waters]

I think I said, but yeah, I get it.

[John Fetterman]

We're on 60 Minutes.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

As a pendulum swung the other way.

[Jesse Waters]

I feel like it's.

[John Fetterman]

It's starting to. We are definitely unapologetically masculine.

[Lawrence Jones]

Can this bubble over to too much when you hear toxic masculinity?

[Jesse Waters]

What's that mean?

[Lawrence Jones]

You tell me.

[Jesse Waters]

No, you just said it.

[John Fetterman]

What's the definition of toxic? How can somebody be too masculine?

[Jesse Waters]

Is that a possibility?

[John Fetterman]

Can you be too masculine?

[Lawrence Jones]

You tell me. No. You think so?

[John Fetterman]

The answer is hell no.

[Lawrence Jones]

Dana, you were, you were making a lot of noises during that interview.

[Dana Perino]

Well, I just think if you're a journalist and you bring up something like what about toxic masculinity? Lenity. And he says, what's that mean? And you say, you tell me. That is not a journalistic question. And I really like 60 Minutes as a program and CBS Sunday Morning. All of those programs, I think are great. But I think some of these questions have become so mealy mouthed and they're afraid to say what they think it means. He doesn't want to say what it means. He couldn't even say, well, let me tell you what it says in the dictionary. Let me quote somebody for you. He doesn't want to do that. He doesn't want to even quote Gillette. Remember, Gillette's the one who did a whole ad about toxic masculinity. And never a Gillette razor has seen our house again. So here's the thing on ufc. I've tried to watch. I can't watch people hit it. I can't.

[Lawrence Jones]

It's not for you.

[Dana Perino]

I can't do it. But I love that. People love it. And I think it's great that there's this outlet and that there's so much. It has so much popularity. A really good friend of mine from Serbia sent me a note last week. He said, is this real? He thought the UFC fight on the White House lawn was a joke. No, it's real. And now he thinks America is amazing.

[Lawrence Jones]

You're definitely going to be there, aren't you?

[Jesse Waters]

100%. 100%. I'm trying to fight.

[Lawrence Jones]

I'm trying to fight.

[Jesse Waters]

I'd love to. By the way, did you know we had the same trainer at one time?

[Lawrence Jones]

Oh, that jujitsu guy?

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

Love him.

[Jesse Waters]

My professor was your professor's professor.

[Lawrence Jones]

That's amazing.

[Emily Compagno]

You're not professor him, isn't it?

[Jesse Waters]

It's not a sensei like other in jiu jitsu. I didn't like the question. Yeah, the question was old. Once you're at Fox, you realize how bad other people at other networks are. I mean, it's like that's why no one is watching, because this has already been litigated. This is so 2016. Men have taken their place back in society. You don't ask a question that has already been proven to be true. It's no longer toxic anymore. It is. What's in? That should have been the question. How is it in. How do we relate more to the young men out there? Not the toxic question. We don't even use that word anymore.

[Lawrence Jones]

Emily. Can men be toxic? Like, can our masculinity be toxic?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I mean, you're asking the wrong person, because I. I think the answer is no. But here's the. All right, I love ufc. I love boxing. Like, I'm Team Crawford all the way. I'm one of the few that over here that stayed up to, like, two to watch that match today. Whatever. I've made no secret that I want to be at that UFC match at the White House. Here's my point, that this is what happens when you channel what is an innate, you know, aggression, assertiveness, confidence in young men into the right way. And it's ironic to me that for all of those saying that masculinity is somehow toxic, what do you think the aggression on the streets is like when you channel it, when you harness it, when you discipline it? That's UFC rise. That's what this arena base is. And there's no such thing as. As toxic. You know, in a hard punch or a great throw, there is no such thing whatsoever about that. That's discipline. That's athletic, athleticism and that sport. And so I think the labeling it toxic and that toughness, it ignores the controlled toughness about it. And I think if you talk to any boxing coach in the inner cities in the 80s and the 90s, that they'll tell you, they will know exactly what you're talking about. And that was a lot of exit and a lot of discipline that was fostered, and a lot of you thought otherwise might go the wrong way. And to this point, about toxicity, you know, and the politicians wringing their hands over wissification, like Dana White, building its global fan base into something positive, that is not toxic. That is timeless.

[Lawrence Jones]

Jessica, why don't Democrats, politicians go to UFC fights?

[Jesse Waters]

They'll be some.

[Emily Compagno]

Oh, Jared Moskowitz.

[Lawrence Jones]

He does.

[Emily Compagno]

I think he went to something in Florida. I'm sure some do. I think that maybe I just prepped too much, or I didn't know that he actually didn't have the answer, but I went and looked up toxic masculinity in preparation for the segment to make sure I knew what it was. And it revolves around the expectation that men should be aggressive, emotionally detached, and avoid being vulnerable. And I don't think that that's all men by any stretch of the imagination. I don't. At ufc, I'm like, dana, I can't. I'm not a big, you know, punching when there's blood and stuff. But I think that people in their head have, like, Conor McGregor in their mind when they're thinking about someone who's toxically masculine.

[Lawrence Jones]

Why? What about Conor McGregor? What about him?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Didn't he like, no, he's amazing and that he's awesome. I will say this, too. I take issue with that sexually assault, biblical definition of masculinity is love for your Lord and Savior, love for your wife. Well, that's not why your household, but.

[Emily Compagno]

My Point is why it's such a.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But that's why it's such a farce. So we don't know.

[Dana Perino]

But imagine if who's out there asking about toxic feminist. Yeah, imagine Jesse, imagine if you ask somebody, they said what about how toxic women are? And she doesn't want to answer that. You tell me.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, fire me, Dana. Fire me. And do you ask that question to the head of the ufc? Do you ask him about toxic masculinity? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[Emily Compagno]

There's, there was something which I would actually love to get your take on. Remember that poll that we talked about about Gen Z men, like the Trump voting? Gen Z men who all wanted to have babies. That was their number one indicator of success. The least important indicator they thought was having being emotionally stable. And I don't think that you should have kids unless you are emotionally stable. You're a very emotionally stable man. You have children.

[Jesse Waters]

Don't you know, I don't also make all of those things change men as well. So.

[Lawrence Jones]

And they change women and they change women psychologically better. That's been proven. And everybody know, everybody needs to know that Lawrence wants to fight anybody. It doesn't matter who it is. July 4th at the White House. Come on, come all. He's been training. Up next, kill me. We're not talking about you. The left honors a dead cop killer.

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[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, the left is mourning the loss of a cop killer. Notorious fugitive Joanne Chasimard, better known as Assata Shakur, has died in Cuba, ending her decades on the run. After busting out of prison and escaping justice, she was convicted back in 1977 for the Cold blooded killing of New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster during a shootout. The Chicago Teachers Union posted this vile tribute there on your screen, writing in part quote, rest in power, rest in peace, Assata Shakur. The kind of peace that New Jersey State trooper didn't have. And on top of that, squad member Ayanna Pressley led a crowd at the Congressional Black Caucus foundation annual conference in a chant honoring the cop killer. I'm going to do a little call and response, one of my favorite, in the words of Assata Shakur. So I will say it and you respond and Repeat it back. It is our duty to fight for our freedom.

[Dana Perino]

It is our duty to fight for our freedom.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It is our duty to win.

[Dana Perino]

It is our duty to win.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jesse, you know what that sort of reminded me of? Like a verbal hostage taking. But it reminded me of when those protesters forced the FBI agents who didn't have spines to kneel down. You know, you're going to repeat after me as I say, as I quote, a cop killer. I wonder how many in the audience were like, what am I saying?

[Lawrence Jones]

Maybe they mumbled those words. The woman was involved in a shootout. So they pull this crew over. She's in the Black Panthers, Black Liberation army, whatever that is. They get pulled over and there's a shootout. And then her excuse was, oh, well, I only shot back. I wasn't the first one to pull the trigger. A cop died. So she gets convicted. First degree murder. She gets sent to prison for life. And they bust her out of prison, and then she's on the lam, winds up in Cuba and lives like the rest of her life in Cuba. And American politicians are behind this woman. This would be like, you know, let's say someone from the Klan, okay, gets like a raw deal in someone's opinion, okay, and like, a cop ends up dying, but, like, gets a wrong deal and flees to Russia. Do you think an American politician would stick up for someone like that? Of course not. It's crazy. And this woman, Ayanna Pressley, is also crazy.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah. Lawrence, I see this as just sort of a token of how intellectually lazy and, and ignorant a lot of people are in this country and unfortunately in our elected official positions. Because remember when an airline put up Shakur, as in their. Their. Their hall of. Of their, like, famous hall of amazing people. And it wasn't until the public backlash, like, that's a cop killer you have. They're like, oh, sorry, in the airport and took it down. I think she knows the facts, however, and I think she wants to lead her constituents.

[Jesse Waters]

That chant is not a new chant. If you go to most of the protests, which I used to cover for Hannity, that's what they chant all the time. I mean, this is why I have to leave the party. I tried. I tried to be a Democrat. I tried to. But they're just not reasonable. Barack Obama put her on the most wanted list for the FBI. I mean, this used to be the reasonable position. If you murder a cop, we disown you. But that's not the modern day Democratic Party. They have been hijacked. I don't think they can recover from this. I really don't. I think this is just on the list of many crazy things that they stand for. Defund the police. And now we're going to celebrate the person that murdered a cop. I don't think this is innocent. I don't think it's innocence.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah. And we saw, you know, we saw the gross celebration of violence on the left after the Charlie Kirk's assassination. But this also, I feel, takes it to a different level when it's your elected officials.

[Dana Perino]

So yeah, Mikey, Sheryl, she's the dubernicor. That's actually, would be a good word, Dubernicorial or something. Anyway, Democratic gubernatorial candidate in New Jersey. Okay. She wants to be the governor and she can't come out and just say, hey, let's not honor the cop killer. Okay? That's like, that's like bare minimum. She can't do that. But when Charlie Kirk was murdered, she put out a six paragraph statement criticizing him. Okay, so your closing argument in New Jersey is not with the cop that was murdered, but with her. That seems a little strange. And then the Chicago's teachers union, have you seen the reading and math scores of these students there? They spend all of their time working on every other issue but that. And that's. I'm hoping that after President Trump gets done with the National Guard in Chicago, could we send in someone to teach the students? That would be great. Yes, we could help them out.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's especially, I feel like it's difficult to swallow because that Jersey candidate, you know, she went, she went to Annapolis. I mean, I know that she was involved in that cheating scandal. Did she graduate? But for, for someone that wears a uniform on behalf of this country, you would think they would have solidarity with another person that puts their life on the line. And that made that ultimate sacrifice. Jessica, what does this represent of your party?

[Emily Compagno]

Well, she wasn't involved in the cheating scandal. She didn't cheat. It wasn't about that. It was that she wouldn't snitch on the people who did cheat. I think she should make a statement. It wasn't hard for Phil Murphy, who is the governor, shameful and depraved. She was convicted of the murder New Jersey State Trooper Warner Forrester, who was executed in cold blood. There are so many worthy heroes to celebrate. She is not one of them. And he's reposted a bunch of other Democrats who serve in the state who have said as such, Ayanna Pressley, who I feel like used to be much more closely associated with the so Called Squad with Rashida Tlaib and Alana Omar and AOC I think, has moderated more. I was surprised actually, to see that from her. I feel like she had been below the radar a bit as of late, and I don't think it sends a good message. And it's tragic what happened and nothing to be celebrated. There are many more heroes at the Black Liberation Movement to talk about.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Great. We all agree. The shocking reason why your life feels like it runs on autopilot. That's next.

[Lawrence Jones]

I don't think. I don't think about it. We make choices. We gotta live with it. I wish I could just watch live.

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[Emily Compagno]

Welcome back. How much of your morning routine did you actually think about? Turns out not much. Researchers found that nearly 90% of our daily actions are performed on autopilot. Lawrence, your morning routine starts at 2am Are you conscious of anything?

[Jesse Waters]

I just.

[Dana Perino]

Middle of the night routine, just go.

[Jesse Waters]

I just move. Get the dog, Take them out, Move. Read the research. That's just what I do. I just don't think about it. I just do it.

[Emily Compagno]

Dana, you're pretty regimented.

[Dana Perino]

Well, I just think that it also takes discipline to come up with your routine that you can put on autopilot in which you can feel productive. And then hopefully you can say words like gubernatorial without embarrassing or athleticism.

[Emily Compagno]

Athleticism. Jesse?

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, I'm with Dana. You set your habits and then you execute. You know, you get up, you get sun right away. Circadian rhythm. Am I pronouncing that right? Circadian.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, circadian.

[Lawrence Jones]

And then you guzzle water with lemon because you have to rehydrate. And then you do a morning walk and then you come back and you guzzle coffee. And that's when your day begins.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I hate the word guzzle.

[Lawrence Jones]

Sorry.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I agree with you.

[Lawrence Jones]

I drink quickly.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Everything depends on planning, preparation, and organization, including when you check into a whole room. Hotel room, for example, when you put. Hotel room. So when you put your, you know, makeup out, like everything the same place as it goes so that your autopilot works. Here's my point, however, that for all of us thinking, oh, I need to, like, disengage from autopilot. If you need to break free of a habit, you don't need to. It's that you need to reprogram because no matter what, your brain works on autopilot. Autopilot. So.

[Dana Perino]

Well, you gave this a lot of thought.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah. Because you can train your neural pathways to do a different thing. It's like starting exercising or eating better or whatever you can.

[Dana Perino]

I admire that you actually care about the block.

[Emily Compagno]

It's impressive because Greg isn't here.

[Lawrence Jones]

So I needed one no one is prepared for.

[Emily Compagno]

The E block is my lot in life. One more things up next.

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[Dana Perino]

All right. It's time now for one more thing. I saw this, thought you would want to check it out. As a Las Vegas resident was shocked when she saw her, a local house cat hanging out with a wild coyote. And they're just like buddies. They were spotted at night patrolling around a neighborhood, igniting a debate about if they're friends or foes. It looks to me like they're friends, kind of like maybe friends like Fox and Hat. I don't know. It looks like Greg and Jesse too close for coming.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, we know how that is.

[Dana Perino]

Or are they getting along? We don't know. But we will tune in at 5 to tomorrow to find out. Jesse.

[Lawrence Jones]

All right, the peloton, Dana, is so over. We're now doing Penny farthing. What you know about penny farthing? You know about this? This is what they do in Great Britain. This is Peter's favorite pastime. This is the British penny Farthing Championship. Roger Davies, he won his third national title in a row. It's a high wheel bicycle, six feet tall, was big in like the late 19th century, but it's making a comeback. Dennis, you're going to see me on the weekends. Penny, farther.

[Jesse Waters]

I can't see that. No.

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, wait a second. Tonight, Jesse Waters, primetime, we have big balls. This is the exclusive everyone in the world's been waiting for. Eight o'. Clock.

[Dana Perino]

Hey, Jessica.

[Emily Compagno]

Javis Johnson, you hero from Arizona. On his way home from the hospital after his wife gave birth to their son. Car stalled out and floodwaters. As he was waiting for triple A, he noticed two women calling for help from their car. Without hesitation, waded into the water and carried the women on his back and brought them to.

[Lawrence Jones]

That's some toxic masculinity.

[Dana Perino]

Terrible. How dare he? Lawrence.

[Jesse Waters]

So everybody's talking about the fans of the writers cup. Yeah, but they have nothing on this goose. Check this out. This territorial goose chasing out an unsuspecting golfer and sending him flying into the pole. And the goose didn't stop there. He then chased the golfer who had to run to the next hole. Luckily, he wasn't hurt. He just had to finish this round soaking.

[Emily Compagno]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dana Perino]

All right, Emily.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Okay. But in good animal news, look at this sweet pit bull that was finally adopted after over a year at the Bergen County Animal shelter. Guys, nearly 500 days. Little mush.

[Dana Perino]

All right. Thanks, everyone. That's it for us, everybody. Have a great night.

[Jesse Waters]

I like this.

[Dana Perino]

I'm Dana Perino. This week on Perino on Politics, I am joined by executive vice president at Targeted victory, Matt Gorman.

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