Woke Words

Summary

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The Five – "Woke Words"

FOX News Podcasts | August 22, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, the panel dives into the backlash surrounding so-called "woke" language and branding, Democratic messaging struggles, the John Bolton FBI raid, Trump’s intervention in crime-ridden cities, and the Cracker Barrel rebrand. The conversation is a mix of humor, debate, and political analysis featuring Trina Brief, Jesse Watters, Katie Pavlich, Jessica Tarlov, and Greg Gutfeld.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. The “Woke Words” Debate and Democratic Messaging (00:57–12:17)

• Trigger: A center-left think tank recommends that Democrats stop using 45 certain "woke" words and phrases (e.g., “privilege,” “microaggression”).
• Panel’s Take:
  • Authenticity vs. Jargon: Multiple panelists argue Democrats’ language alienates average voters; Republicans’ directness is presented as a virtue (06:04–06:23).
  • Jessica Tarlov: Draws the line between “fighters and cavers” in both parties, praising authentic, bold politicians (02:27).

    “It’s not necessarily left versus center, it’s fight versus cave... the people who fight get support and the people who cave... cannot break through.” – Jessica Tarlov (02:27)

  • Nazi Comparisons: Panel decries routine Nazi analogies in left-wing rhetoric and suggests banning this hyperbole alongside “woke” words (03:53).

    “Maybe that should be one of [the banned words]: not doing the Nazi references.” – Katie Pavlich (03:53)

  • Alienating Voters: Katie Pavlich discusses how using terms like "Latinx" has pushed traditional voters away (04:07).
  • Language & Academia: Greg Gutfeld argues jargon is a smokescreen for failed policies and traces these terms back to academia and therapy speak (08:21–09:53).

    “Good ideas don’t require jargon. If you’re using words like these, it’s because your ideas don’t work.” – Greg Gutfeld (08:21)

• Republican Communication Style:
  • Jesse Watters: Mocks artificial Democratic speech, suggesting only intellectual elites talk that way (06:23–07:27).
  • On Policy Over Rhetoric: Jessica Tarlov agrees policy results matter more than words (11:10).

2. FBI Raid on John Bolton: Politicization or Accountability? (14:02–21:44)

• News: FBI raids the home and office of former National Security Adviser John Bolton, reportedly seeking classified documents.
• Trump’s Reaction:

  “I thought he was a sleazebag... But... I know the feeling [of a raid]. It’s not a good feeling.” – Donald Trump (14:20)

• Panel Analysis:
  • Double Standards: Parallels drawn between reactions to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago raid and this one (16:05).
  • Political Motivation?: Some panelists argue the raid is not purely about documents; Jesse Watters hints at “something pretty gnarly” (17:18).
  • Weaponization Allegations:
    • Jessica Tarlov pushes back, arguing the DOJ wasn’t weaponized under Biden, citing Garland’s slow approach (19:10).
    • Greg Gutfeld and Jesse Watters counter, decrying “lawfare” tactics and warning Democrats are now facing the kind of reprisals they pioneered (20:01–21:44).

      “Don’t lecture me on timing of lawfare... You guys invented this stuff.” – Greg Gutfeld (20:01)

3. Trump’s Crime Crackdown in D.C. and Urban Policy (22:58–30:48)

• Trump’s Boast: Claims credit for reducing D.C. crime, links governance to “real world skills” like grass maintenance (23:15, 24:03).

  “I know more about grass than any human being... anywhere in the world.” – Donald Trump (24:03)

• Republican Practicality vs. Democratic Platitudes:
  • Greg Gutfeld draws contrast between “builders” like Trump and career politicians, emphasizing practical knowledge over “platitudes, rhetoric, woke terminology” (24:16).
• Federal Intervention in Cities:
  • Debate over Trump’s federal involvement in D.C. and potential for other cities like Chicago.
  • Local vs. Federal Control: Jessica Tarlov objects to federal “takeover” of cities; Gutfeld and Pavlich argue locals have failed (27:37, 28:54).
  • Crime Policy as Political Weapon: Pavlich argues that embracing Trump’s help would “disarm” Republican crime arguments (28:54).

    “If Democrats were smart, they would take Trump up on his offer... to stop the crime because it completely disarms the political argument for the midterms.” – Katie Pavlich (28:54)

4. Cracker Barrel’s Controversial Rebrand (31:30–37:09)

• Issue: Cracker Barrel’s management changes its logo and redesigns stores, sparking backlash; stock drops nearly $100 million.
• Reactions:
  • Nostalgia & Brand Identity: Panelists lament the loss of traditional, “rustic” branding; implications for corporate America discussed (32:08–34:59).

    “It looks like they Bud Lighted themselves.” – Jesse Watters (32:08)

  • Corporate Sensitivity: Gutfeld criticizes corporations for prioritizing social media appeasement over customer loyalty (35:09–36:57).

    “Changing your logos does not increase your customer base, but it will decrease it.” – Greg Gutfeld (35:09)

• Cultural Commentary: Jokes about DEI, consultants, and the “shabby chic” trend (36:57–37:03).
  • Trina Brief sums up: “Cracker Barrel is a national treasure, which should not be messed with.” (33:36)

5. Pop Culture & Lighter Moments (37:27–end)

• Fun Roundtable: Debates about the best decade for movies and music (80s, 90s, early 2000s) (37:48–39:04).
• Personal Tidbits: Greg’s hand injury anecdote, prairie dog video joke, and Air Guitar Championships (39:23–41:22).
• Uplifting Segment: Emotional story of two Vietnam veterans reuniting after 54 years (42:20).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Democratic Messaging:

  “They paid a guy a million dollars to tell them to talk like Republicans. What kind of Democrat needs a memo to know how to talk and not sound like a moron?”
  — Jesse Watters (06:23)

• On Jargon and Policy:

  “Good ideas don’t require jargon. If you’re using words like these, it’s because your ideas don’t work.”
  — Greg Gutfeld (08:21)

• On Nazi Comparisons in Rhetoric:

  “Maybe that should be one of [the banned words]: not doing the Nazi references.”
  — Katie Pavlich (03:53)

• On Crime & Federal Involvement:

  “If Democrats were smart, they would take Trump up on his offer... to stop the crime because it completely disarms the political argument for the midterms.”
  — Katie Pavlich (28:54)

• On Cracker Barrel’s Branding:

  “It looks like they Bud Lighted themselves.”
  — Jesse Watters (32:08) “Cracker Barrel is a national treasure, which should not be messed with.”
  — Trina Brief (33:36)

• On Corporate Branding Trends:

  “Changing your logos does not increase your customer base, but it will decrease it... corporations are rich enough to do it... They’ll toss their customer base... to save themselves from the insults online.”
  — Greg Gutfeld (35:09–36:57)

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Section Timestamps

• Woke Words & Democratic Messaging: 00:57–12:17
• FBI Raid on John Bolton: 14:02–21:44
• D.C. Crime Crackdown: 22:58–30:48
• Cracker Barrel Rebrand: 31:30–37:09
• Lighter Segments & Pop Culture: 37:27–end

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The episode is fast-paced, irreverent, and laced with sarcasm and playful jabs at both political parties and corporate America. The panel’s overall position is skeptical of academic/“woke” language, supportive of plain talk, and critical of Democratic leadership in cities and branding missteps.

For those who missed the episode, this summary covers the critical themes: the backlash against “woke” terminology; debates over the politicization of law enforcement; the use of tough-on-crime policy as a political tool; and anxieties about corporate America losing touch with traditional customers.

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Transcript

[Trina Brief]

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[Will Kane]

Will you have a part to play in on December 5th?

[Donald Trump]

I may blame. I mean, I see the money that these soccer players, you know, we call it soccer, but I see the money that these soccer players are making. I may try and play. I'm a very good athlete. I may put on shorts. I look extremely good in shorts.

[Trina Brief]

Oh, boy. Ok. President Trump having some fun in the Oval Office with the FIFA president comes as his opposition. The Democratic Party looks to score points against the MAGA movement. But how? Well, the center left think tank Third Way releasing a memo advising the party to ditch 45 words and phrases. Stuff like privilege, microaggression goes on and on. But will the left have anything left to say when the Republicans start?

[Katie Pavlich]

There will be macro and microaggressions.

[Trina Brief]

There will be overt racist attacks.

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We are voting out the people who are continuing these systems of oppression.

[Katie Pavlich]

Donald Trump is an existential threat to our democracy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Trump's call to immediately clear unhoused people from the streets of D.C. in danger.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The lives of all women and all burdened people in this country.

[Katie Pavlich]

Formerly incarcerated people.

[Trina Brief]

Don't be a handmaiden to the patriarchy. So the list of banned words just tops off a brutal week for headlines for Democrats, new data shows a record number of voters jumping ship to the gop. But one left wing commentator claims the party can win them back by embracing these folks.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's not necessarily left versus center, it's fight versus cave. And the people who fight get support and the people who cave or are mealy mouthed or are, you know, very sort of corporatisty. That crew, the crew that's afraid cannot break through does not appeal to voters. Chris Murphy, Sherrod Brown, Mondame. These people aoc, they're not all exactly the same politically, but they are the same in the fact that they are brave and they break through.

[Trina Brief]

So as Democrats debate banning certain woke terms, perhaps they should also reconsider heated rhetoric that equates Republicans, again with Nazis.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It doesn't take very long to tear apart a constitutional republic. Indeed, the Nazis did it in 53 days.

[Jesse Waters]

And our democracy is almost as fragile.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And we're seeing it right now.

[Trina Brief]

Are you aware that when there was slavery times, blacks fled?

[Jessica Tarlov]

During the Nazi times, Jewish people fled.

[Trina Brief]

They fled their oppressor. All ICE is supposed to do. Look at them as a fancy Uber driver for immigrants. All right, Katie, I'm going to start with you. I thought that we had all agreed across party lines that Nazi references were just not cool, especially when you're comparing.

[Katie Pavlich]

It to things like fleeing your state for gerrymandering purposes. I mean, that's how it's clear to me. They don't have an argument. And there's a whole lot of words, as we know, that they're trying to get away with. And so maybe that should be one of them on the list is not doing the Nazi references. But they're trying. They're grappling with this idea of authenticity. Democrats for months have said, we need our own Joe Rogan. When they had Joe Rogan. Donald Trump didn't reshape the political landscape by being politically correct or by listening to a bunch of pollsters or by doing study groups with people. He did it by being authentic and saying, I don't care. People are trying to tell you you're a bad person. They're calling you a Nazi, they're calling you racist for not wanting basic things to be taken away from you, for changing a language like birthing person, pregnant people, chest feeding. By alienating groups within the Democratic Party, like Latino voters, for example, who came over and drove to Trump by calling them Latinx, enforcing these progressive, radical ideologies on these groups that are actually pretty traditional, but they happen to be Democrats. So they're really going out there with these wild accusations about Nazism and all these things while they're really having a hard time finding policies that work for them and authentic candidates that aren't super far left, like Bomb Donnie, for example, that they can actually rely on.

[Trina Brief]

Well, and Jesse, we're glad you decided to join us for the show today.

[Jesse Waters]

I barely made it.

[Trina Brief]

I know, but you knew we couldn't start without you.

[Jesse Waters]

That was close.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Were you held up somewhere?

[Trina Brief]

Was there a scar?

[Jesse Waters]

I was in hair and makeup.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You must have felt like Anne Frank in there.

[Trina Brief]

No, no, not going there.

[Jesse Waters]

I need Johnny. Johnny's on a Shoot. And so I was untethered.

[Trina Brief]

Did you have to do your own hair?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Did it remind you of 9?

[Trina Brief]

11? Unthinkable.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Shannon, don't insult Robbie's work like that.

[Jesse Waters]

No, Robbie the hair guy should have brought me out. There was no urgency. Ally. No. Mom came in and.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Robbie. A Nazi? Is that what you're saying?

[Trina Brief]

Do you have a. You've got a very expensive watch on. I assume it tells.

[Jesse Waters]

Expensive watch. This is like $300. Greg's is like 17,000. How much is that watch? I'm not saying exactly. He's embarrassed because the watch is so expensive.

[Trina Brief]

You can't ask people how much they wear.

[Jesse Waters]

So embarrassed.

[Trina Brief]

Okay, so listen, there's this debate over using these super weird words that you would not use in conversation with a friend or anyone else. So, listen, President Trump, his critics will say things like, he talks like an eighth grader. I mean, the man went to Wharton business school at UPenn. But, Jesse, he knows how to talk to people. They don't feel like they need a thesaurus to figure out what he's saying.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah. They paid a guy a million dollars to tell him to talk like Republicans. I mean, what kind of Democrat needs a memo to know how to talk and know how not to sound like a moron? Because when they talk like that, we laugh. Anyone ever uses the word unhoused. I know you're crazy. And I know you're a liberal.

[Trina Brief]

Why'd you look at Jessica when you.

[Jesse Waters]

Said I had to glance? Even Jessica doesn't even use this stuff.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's true.

[Jesse Waters]

My liberal parents don't talk like this. This is for the extreme of the extreme. These are fake phrases that intellectuals use to sound sophisticated and snobby, but they actually sound ridiculous. Now, I like the idea of having things that you're not supposed to say. I live my life. It's kind of like an axiom. Don't do certain things like, I don't do drugs anymore. I don't watch television in my free time. I don't use ethnic humor on television. And these things have gotten me very far.

[Katie Pavlich]

But you still talk about women a lot.

[Jesse Waters]

I do. Should I add that to the list?

[Katie Pavlich]

I think you should.

[Jesse Waters]

Now, the Democrats, if they start not using these words, they're gonna start sounding like Judge Jeanine. They're going to start saying, the black guy, you know, the gay guy. The illegal alien. Yeah. The homeless guy. He's fat. He's really hungry. This is great. But it's not what you think it is. You'd think Democrats would think, oh, thank God, I'm relieved I don't have to sound like a professor. No, they're going to be incredibly anxious because now they're worried they're going to offend people. And they're also concerned with not sounding smart enough because at the end of the day, it's really about signaling you're from the upper intellectual actual class.

[Trina Brief]

Well, you can use words like unhoused, but they spent billions of dollars in California over the last few years and they have more unhoused homeless people. So you can use words, but if people don't see solutions or policies that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Actually do something, Good ideas don't require jargon. If you're using words like these, it's because your ideas don't work. That's why if you change the words and the ideas are still there, it doesn't do any good. This is good news and bad news for me. The bad news is I spent decades exposing these words and if they take them away, I am out of content. All I'll left are fat jokes about the view. The good news is they're going to keep making them because as long as there are college campuses, they will have new words. I found a new one. Hetero pessimism that defines straight relationships as undesirable. So as soon as you get rid of heteronormative or cisgender, another silly word just comes in and replaces it. It's not just so I guess instead of just talking about the words, you got to talk about the source. Where do they come from? Teachers lounges, the leafy academia. You could argue that every awful stance the Dems have come up with comes directly from the campus. Whether it's the trans delusion or the pro Hamas protest ground zero campuses. The trans movement arose, you know, pretty much after the women's studies department was degraded into gender studies. That's when it really started to change. Now they're gonna. What are they gonna do? Species studies? Can I identify as a lemur? I'm thinking about it. Not just academia. The shrinks couch. There's a combination here because you have the professor's podium. But then you have like triggering shame insecurity. These are things you hear in therapy. So it's not just kind of status seeking from a group of elites, a code that you all agree to. It's also something that feeds into yourself so that you feel better, so that you don't take responsibility for your failures. It's somebody else. And that comes from therapy speak.

[Jesse Waters]

That is such a great point. And Jessica, we'll get to you in a second. You're so right, because all this stuff came from academia. Transgenderism, environmentalism, communism, feminism. And so the Democrats sees it and they make it policy, and then everybody gets hurt. And then you know who they blame? Straight white people. That's how they do it.

[Trina Brief]

Jesse, it's all your fault. Jessica, by the way, I think you would nail the lemur thing. I feel like you have the right character. But, Jessica, are you relieved that you don't have to use these words anymore?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, the one correct thing Jesse said was that I don't actually use those terms. Also, communism came from academia.

[Jesse Waters]

It did, yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh, it wasn't because people were out.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There who created communism.

[Jessica Tarlov]

What?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Where did it come from? It came from academics, came from radicals in schools.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh, come on. Like, I don't want to fight about marks and whatever.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do you think a plumber invented it?

[Trina Brief]

Not Joe the Plumber. Not. Definitely not.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Rip.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, okay, Donald Trump leaning in right now anyway, taking 10% of intel. So we know that he's a fan of communism or at least state run capitalism. So this document came from Third Way, which is a think tank founded by Clinton administration people. They know a thing or two about winning elections and winning a wide swath of voters from across the aisle. But I do generally feel like words matter, but deeds matter more. And Donald Trump did teach us that. You know, if that tape can be locker room talk and be acceptable to a lot of people, then you can probably speak a little bit out of turn and still get away with it. And Democrats really need to lean into the results argument. What are your policies that are going to make people's lives better? Jerome Powell out there today giving you plenty of fodder. Right? GDP going down to 1.2%. It was 2.5% last year. Why? Consumer spending down because of the tariffs. Ride on that. Don't talk like a weirdo. We're gonna win.

[Trina Brief]

Listen, you sound like the vice president also said his free advice to the Democrats. No, no, he said free advice to the Democrats was don't talk like a crazy person. So you guys do agree on something.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jerome Powell, about how Donald Trump is sinking our economy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He's not, but good try.

[Trina Brief]

Okay, we'll be back with a lot more. Up next, President Trump is ripping into, quote, low life and quote, sleazebag John Bolton after the stunning FBI raid on his house.

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[Katie Pavlich]

President Trump not holding back as he reacted to the FBI raid on John Bolton. Federal agents searching the Maryland home and D.C. office of his former national security adviser and a source told Fox News the search is focused on potential classified documents believed to still be in Bolton's possession. Here's the president.

[Donald Trump]

I'm not a fan of John Bolton. I thought he was a sleazebag, actually, and he suffers major Trump derangement syndrome. But so do a lot of people and they're not being affected by anything we do. I don't know anything about it. I just saw that. I'll find out about it. But if you believe the news, which I do, I guess his house was raided today, but my house was raided, also called Mar a Lago. They went through everything they could, including my young son's room and my wife's area. So, you know, so I know the feeling. It's not a good feeling.

[Katie Pavlich]

Democrats in the media who acted like cheerleaders for the raid on Trump's Mar a Lago, well, they were quick to form a narrative that there were more nefarious reasons behind this raid.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Bolton has been publicly criticizing President Trump. The timing of this search of Bolton's home is particularly chilling.

[Will Kane]

The FBI director, you know, goes online.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And tweets about this. The vice president of the United States jumps on that, suggests that this is a politically motivated gesture. The president's history of going after People using the levers of power that he has access to. So many investigations that seem to be.

[Jesse Waters]

For retribution purposes, consumed with revenge and.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Retaliation against his critics. It's also an attempt to distract from the other big news of the day, which is the first production of the Epstein files.

[Katie Pavlich]

So, Shannon, we don't have the contents of the search warrant, so it's hard to understand exactly what they were looking for. But there has been allegations that John Bolton used classified information in his book previously, and that's allegedly what they maybe were looking for today.

[Trina Brief]

Yeah, and listen, everyone in this country gets due process, and we assume a presumption of innocence. And so we don't know what they have, what was in that war, and what will eventually come from this. But with all of that in mind, you think about the fact that after the Mar A Lago raid, what John Bolton said at the time was, let's not assume any political motivation. There isn't any evidence to that. So will the left give that same presumption this time around?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I don't know.

[Trina Brief]

We'll have to see. But there are so many other steps in this that will have to come. And I don't think the heads of DOJ and the FBI are going to want to bring a case they can't prosecute to a win. I mean, that's the ultimate goal. So this is step one. The FBI will go through this evidence. We'll see what they actually picked up.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And.

[Trina Brief]

And if they think it needs to go to a grand jury or prosecution, beyond that, they're not going to go to the wall. I think on this, if there's not evidence there for some crime. The president issued that weaponization order on executive order on day one saying it's time for that to end. But having set that standard now, they're going to be very careful, I think, with how they handle this.

[Katie Pavlich]

Jesse, so many people would argue this is not a response or weaponization. This is simply accountability for him allegedly potentially breaking the law. Now, he hasn't been charged with anything, and they're just looking for documentation. However, some people are saying this is retribution.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, my sources are telling me that this guy is bad, and it's not just a book, and it's not about classified documents. There was something pretty gnarly that he was into. And so when you see the warrant and when you see the evidence, you're going to understand why this guy's house was raided. Could have been an international situation, could have been treasonous. I don't know. I'm only Speculating. But I was warned off of this being just about classified documents for his stupid book. And we know it's not about revenge. They wouldn't go after this guy the way they're doing it if it was just a tit for tat. So I can't tell you what they are looking for, but. But it looks pretty damning. That's what I'm hearing.

[Katie Pavlich]

And the deputy FBI director used the word corruption today on X. So there might be more. We're looking at the little Easter eggs and trying to figure out what's going on here. But Jessica, what is your response to this?

[Jessica Tarlov]

More information is obviously needed to fully understand it. But Shannon, who has dutifully been on TV all day having to come up with something new every hour, which you have managed to do.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Thank you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Huge respect to you for that. But you were on with former assistant director of the FBI Chris Swecker this morning, who didn't like how this looked. You know, he said, we just don't want to see the FBI weaponized. Just because you have the authority and discretion to do something like this doesn't mean that you should. And when people say that under the Biden administration that the DOJ was weaponized, let me remind you that there is nobody the Democrats dislike more than Merrick Garland because he slow rolled everything. I mean, Jack Smith wasn't appointed for years after January 6th. And people feel that every single case that we had the strongest of which was Mar A Lago, by the way, fell apart because Merrick Garland actually didn't.

[Jesse Waters]

Do anything soon enough. Is that what you're saying?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No, I'm saying that we didn't have a weaponized doj. And the proof of that is. And the proof is further that JD Vance is sitting down with Kristen Welker for Meet the Press. And listen to how he's talking. This is not an independent doj. We're in the very early stages of an ongoing investigation into John Bolton. We not Pam Bondi and the doj. We if we think Ambassador Bolton committed a crime, of course, eventually prosecutions will come. There's broad concern about Ambassador Bolton. We know that Donald Trump has no respect for co equal branches of government, an independent judiciary. He just wants loyal foot soldiers. That appears to be what he has got.

[Katie Pavlich]

Well, for years in Washington, there have been a lot of questions about John Bolton's associations and the way he has used his position to benefit himself. So it's not just great mustache that is also up for debate. Greg, are you worried about the former president of Red Eye.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, it's a problem for me and I can't really comment on it because being the president of Red Eye and I being the host of Red Eye, I have actually been told by my lawyers that I'm not allowed to comment on anything except to say, some people say it's retribution. I say, who cares? Don't lecture me on timing of lawfare. Don't lecture me on politically motivated investigations. You guys invented this stuff. You love doing it to Trump because you didn't think it through. You were so confident that Trump was toast that you could rattle off free punch after free punch after free punch without any fear of reprisal. So, yeah, is it retribution? I don't know. But when you think about the constant lawfare, the gerrymandering, the Dems never expect it to happen to them. They're like home invaders who didn't expect a well armed occupant when they showed up. And Trump is well armed. This is kind of an ongoing masterclass for the Republican Party, the new Republican Party. To quote Greasy Gav, how to fight fire with fire. The conservative movement, which I loved for the longest time, they were kind of happy to fritter away their influence and power on the notion that they were always above returning fire. I write for National Review. This is disgusting. Let's write a 4,000 word piece on judicial reform. And then they don't do anything. They go back and smoke their cigar. They always felt it was beneath them to get in the ring and hit back. So it's one of the presidents that Trump gave the Republicans that they desperately needed were balls the size of Jupiter.

[Jesse Waters]

And if you're a bully and you hit somebody and they don't hit you back, you're gonna keep bullying the bejesus out of them. And how many people did they get, Greg? They got stoned, they got Navarro, they got Bannon, they got all the Trump family. Manafort, Carter page. The list is long, so I believe this is probably gonna be the first in many raids.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I didn't want him to be the first, though.

[Jesse Waters]

I know, Me neither.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know, he said, like, you never want Bolton to be your first.

[Katie Pavlich]

Rough way. All right, up next, President Trump is cleaning up the crime in D.C. and the rats could be next nasty.

[Donald Trump]

It was a crime infested rat hole. And they do have a lot of rats. We're getting rid of them, too.

[Will Kane]

There are many ways to deliver.

[Jesse Waters]

This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason in the House podcast. Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests.

[Will Kane]

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[Jesse Waters]

Go grab your wife for dinner because DC's now murder free. President Trump's taking a victory lap on his very successful crime crackdown. Earlier, he put D.C. s woke mayor Bowser on blast. He warned other blue cities are next. And yeah, he's even coming for the rats.

[Donald Trump]

It was unsafe, it was horrible. And Mayor Bowser better get her axe straight or she won't be mayor very long. It was a crime infested rat hole. And they do have a lot of rats. We're getting rid of them, too. Chicago is a mess. You have an incompetent mayor, grossly incompetent. And we'll straighten that one out probably next. That will be our next one after this, and it won't even be tough. And the people in Chicago, Mr. Vice President, are screaming for us to come. They're wearing red hats, just like this one, but they're wearing red hats. African American ladies, beautiful ladies are saying, please, President Trump, come to Chicago.

[Jesse Waters]

Trump also wants a crime free DC to look beautiful. And last night, 47 flexed his lawn care game.

[Donald Trump]

One of the things we're going to be redoing is your parks. I'm very good at grass because I have a lot of golf courses all over the place. I know more about grass than any human being, I think, anywhere in the world.

[Jesse Waters]

You know about grass, right, Greg?

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's true, and I'm glad you brought me that. The only thing that's getting killed in D.C. are the dreams of Democrats ever coming back into power. I want to focus on grass because it matters. People who build or create or design or fixed, they know stuff. They know things, they accumulate knowledge. Trump's a builder. Elon Musk is an engineer. Imagine if Rick Caruso had won as mayor in Los Angeles instead of a DEI hire. That guy is also a builder. Of course, Trump is right. You got to know about grass if you build golf courses. Why is this important? Because this is what Republicans are and this is what Democrats have lost, which is practical, real world knowledge going back to the A block replaced by platitudes, rhetoric, woke terminology. You look at their leaders. Joe Biden, lifetime politician, Kamala, pretty much the same. Gavin A. Nepo, politician, Chuck Schumer, Crockett Booker, all either bureaucrats, lawyers, or rent seekers who create nothing but paper and platitudes. Now you got a guy who is in charge, who spent his life building, and he knows stuff. He understands Bureaucracy and how to get around bureaucracy. He knows grass, he knows gas, he knows gold.

[Jesse Waters]

If you were the mayor of Chicago and the president was going to offer to rid your city of crime, would you fight against that?

[Trina Brief]

The mayor does not sound like he's excited. He is not accepting the invitation. He does not want to get on board with that. And I think the president has something when he says the people of Chicago, which is different than the leadership of Chicago. I'm sure there are many neighborhoods there that would enjoy some help. We saw the D.C. police chief say at one point we could use more law enforcement on the street. It would actually help our officers. So I think that some local leaders realize the help is needed and they should accept it. But listen, I think the fact that the attackers of the Doge individual whose name I will not use here, the fact that they have kind of gotten this slap on the wrist and are sort of back on, you know, some kind of release in DC that's the exact kind of thing that Democrats are being warned against. That memo that said stop using things like unhoused also talked about crime and said, do not look like you're more sympathetic to the criminal than you do to the people who live in these cities.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So do you know who. Do you know what? Cinderella liked? Big Balls. You know, it's funny. He, like, he's. He's pushing law enforcement and lawn enforcement.

[Jesse Waters]

Very good point.

[Trina Brief]

And regressing. I never heard that word before, but I like it.

[Jesse Waters]

Can you believe, Jessica, that the Big Balls mob was just let go?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No, I think about it all the time, actually.

[Jesse Waters]

I mean, that's such a rude thing for you to say. This poor guy was saving a woman's life who was getting carjacked. He's a hero.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Don't push me about his herodom. It was obviously horrible that he got beaten up, but this was Donald Trump's plan. No matter if Big Balls had been attacked that night or not. He's been talking about it for a long time. Not just about D.C. but he wants to control every facet of American life. And notice. And there are places that are controlled by Republicans that have safety issues, that have murder issues, petit thefts, carjackings, whatever it is. He never talks about any of those places. He only focuses on places where there is Democratic leadership.

[Jesse Waters]

Take yourself.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Take yourself. Be happy.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, I don't want to be happy about the federalization of our American cities. We elect people, we go to the ballot box, and we pick the people who are being charged. That doesn't mean they do a flawless job. That doesn't mean that they couldn't use some help. That there is a way to help without just taking it over. And he never wants to go for the middle ground.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You've never helped your no liberal run city is helping its inhabitants.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's not true. Look at what's going on in the rehabilitation of San Francisco and what Dan Laurie is doing out there after how long. So let's you're always moving the goalposts. If there is a Democrat that's doing a good job, then you say oh.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Like if this know who got that happen? Fox. Fox every day covering San Francisco.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You are welcome. Thank you. That we talked about it. And now you have a fantastic mayor who has the same values as the base of the party and is keeping the city in check. He's out there. He has great social media where he talks about results and he's walking around in those neighborhoods. And there is a way to do this without taking over.

[Jesse Waters]

You know, she uses the word taking over, Katie. I mean all it looks like to me is he put the guard in the high traffic touristy areas, show a force and it frees up the rest of the D.C. police to go into the bad neighborhoods and target the gangs.

[Katie Pavlich]

Well, first there was a Democratic mayor that was doing really well on crime in Dallas and he became a Republican because Democrats weren't working with him to stop the crime. And politically, if Democrats were smart, they would take Trump up on his offer in every single city to stop the crime because it completely disarms the political argument for the midterms that Democrats are pro criminal and that they are totally fine with crime so long as Donald Trump is wrong in terms of Washington D.C. trump didn't take over. He reestablished federal control of the District of Columbia. It is unconstitutional that there is actually this local control going on. It's supposed to be controlled by the feds. Over the last five decades, local politicians have proven they cannot handle maintaining the capital city of the United States of America for all Americans. They're failing their own citizens with the crime, but they're failing the country as a result of their corruption, their ineptitude and their refusal to allow any kind of ideas outside of this freedom far left progressive ideology. And for the president, you saw it today when he was in the Oval Office, this is about crime and cleaning up the city, but it's also about making the capital city the most important city in the world politically. Clean, safe. He wants to host FIFA at the Kennedy Center. He doesn't want the tent city that used to be right across the street at the Kennedy center when people from all over the world come see the United States of America. He's showing off and he's making the capital city beautiful and safe for Americans and for everybody because he believes in American exceptionalism and he doesn't believe in filth. He has some pride in America and that's why he's doing this. It's not a takeover or whatever. It's reestablishing the actual people who are supposed to be in charge of Washington, D.C. and it's not the local.

[Jessica Tarlov]

What about Chicago and New York? Who's supposed to be in charge of.

[Katie Pavlich]

The we can talk about. Like I said, Democrats should absolutely partner with the president.

[Jesse Waters]

We're going to protect you whether you like it or not. Up next, cracker is scrapping the bottom of the barrel, scraping after their lame logo makeover.

[Will Kane]

It's the Will Kane Show. Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through Thursday on foxnews.com or on the Fox News News YouTube channel. And don't miss a show. Get the podcast five days a week at fox newspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Cracker Barrel stock is taking a beating, losing almost $100 million in value after a controversial new logo rebrand sparked backlash from both the left and the right. It's nice when that happens. Sometimes the company snuffed out the rocking chair guy and swapped him for a bland text only font want. On top of that, the stores are being gutted and remodeled into what some are blasting as a soulless corporate makeover. But the CEO claims the critics are only a vocal minority. Jesse I watched the interview, the GMA interview with the CEO. She was defiant about this. But for those who know about the rebrand, I have not met someone who is into it.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, it looks like they bud lighted themselves. I'm not going to pretend I'm a Cracker Barrel guy. I went once in Arizona on the way back from a border trip and I don't even remember what I ate, but I remember what it was like inside and it was rustic and I mean really rustic. And many people like that. But I have a few questions. What is a Cracker Barrel? No one knows. Is the cracker the white guy sitting next to the barrel?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No.

[Jesse Waters]

Are you sure that's a no? I have no idea. But I have noticed a trend and I'm sure everybody around this table in the 70s and in the 80s corporate America, probably some really drunk guys on Madison Avenue had really unique Brands and they had spunk and personality. And over the years, everything's kind of winnowed down to the same boring insignia. You see it in cars, you see it in graphics and everything. Why is that? Is it because no one's doing hallucinogenic drugs anymore? Did they get rid of the three martini lunch? Are there too many women making the commercial brand? I'm just throwing stuff out there. Shannon Breen. But I hate the new age branding. We got to go back to Cracker Barrel. Everything should look like Cracker Barrel.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Everything that feels extreme. But Shannon, Jesse is right that this really.

[Jesse Waters]

Does it feel extreme, rational of just.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Going to these generic brands? I don't even think it's DEI or anything like that.

[Trina Brief]

Cracker Barrel is a national treasure, which should not be messed with. I did not enjoy the disdain in your voice in discussing Cracker Barrel, which was on every block. Where I grew up, we used to go every Sunday after church with my grandmother. And if they get rid of Grandpa's breakfast, which includes country fried steak with gravy on it, and start doing things like a kale smoothie, it's not gonna be okay. I don't want them to touch the store, which has super fun, sometimes junky stuff in it. But I love it. They have the best candy as well. Remember back in 2013 when they decided to pull some of the Duck Dynasty stuff because of something that Phil Robertson had said?

[Jesse Waters]

What did he say?

[Trina Brief]

People freaked out. It was controversial. Within 48 hours, they issued an apology. They said, we offended you. We heard you. And they put all of the merchandise back. I wonder if they will this time around.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Kayden. Do you think they'll go back?

[Katie Pavlich]

I think they're making too much money, if they have money to think about this new logo to remodel all of the Cracker Barrel. So you look like Denny's now. I mean, Cracker Barrels. It looks like Denny's. So what's the point of going to Cracker Barrel for this interesting experience? It's very unique, like in a country store. Cracker Barrel, by the way, means plain and simple. Jesse. So I guess the new logo is more plain and simple. I want to know what William and Ray Yoder think, because they have been to every Cracker Barrel in the country, and I'd like to hear from them about what they think of the new. The new remodel.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Greg, you have some competition. Katie did prepare for my block, and usually you're the only one that does so outdo her with the Cracker Barrel. Have you been To Cracker Barrel?

[Jesse Waters]

I think so.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Once I lived in Allentown for 10 years. There are things that are even more rustic than Cracker Barrel that I've eaten places where they have dog. Well, I won't get into it, except that changing your logos does not increase your customer base, but it will decrease it. So this wasn't done to make money or anything like that. Big picture, whether it's Nike or Apple or Cracker Bale, they indulge these things because they can absorb the cost. What's a few million to consultants? It's why Cracker Barrel has a very complicated DEI website. You know, they can stomach it. They can do it. They don't care if they just don't. They can take the tiny little cost as long as they don't get mean tweets. They don't get social activists after them. The problem with this attitude is that it trickles down to smaller businesses, citizens, you know, who then have somebody outside their coffee shop. Where's your rainbow flag? I demand to see your Black Lives Matter. I want your list of allyship and all that stuff. So people get bullied over this stuff, but corporations are. This stuff isn't going to go away. They're always going to be the depository for this stuff because they're rich enough to do it. They'll toss their customer base, they'll toss their common sense, their mission statement, because it'll save them from the insults online. And also, this woman reminded me of the Budweiser marketing lady. They're ashamed of their product. They're like. The woman described the Bud Light customer as some frat boy. She thinks they're a bunch of rednecks. She won't say it, but she acts like it. That's why they're turning it into look like a farmhouse in the Hamptons, cuz that's where they hang out. That's how she can feel comfortable in Cracker Barrel, by making it all, you know, what do you call it? What do you call it? A comfy rustic or cat? No.

[Trina Brief]

Coastal. Coastal chic.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No. Or sloppy?

[Katie Pavlich]

Shabby chic.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Shabby chic.

[Trina Brief]

Shabby chic. That's not Cracker Barrel. Please don't do that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I did notice they hate America.

[Trina Brief]

Keep it just the way it is.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I don't know about that, but Michael Strahan actually looked visibly uncomfortable during the interview where he was like, I kind of like the old way. Fan mail. Friday's up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Limu limo at your service.

[Will Kane]

Listen to the all new Brett Bear podcast featuring Common Ground in Depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle, along with all your Brett Bear favorites like his All Star panel and much more. Available [e-mail] or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Got a minute? What decade do you think had the best movies and music, Shannon?

[Trina Brief]

Oh, there's no contest. 1980s. Debate over. Next question.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay, that was easy. Jesse, do you remember the 80s?

[Jesse Waters]

I do. I was in my elementary school years. I'm gonna go 80s.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Really?

[Jesse Waters]

But I could also go 70s.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, no, nobody's giving any examples. This is boring. Come on, Jessica. Your dad was a film producer.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Totally.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What did he do? Death Wish?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No, no. He did all those, like, fun John Waters movies.

[Trina Brief]

Serial mom.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Which was 90s. I was gonna say 90s, but I also have this debate with Brian all the time about 80s Costner versus 90s. Costner.

[Jesse Waters]

90S music was terrible.

[Trina Brief]

It was terrible.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That doesn't mean the movies were terrible.

[Jesse Waters]

It says movies and music. Oh, now who's a jerk? Now who's a jerk?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I have to apologize to Jesse. I'll do it later. Katie.

[Katie Pavlich]

1980S were the best for music and the movies, but I'm choosing a different 1. Early 2000s hip hop and country music.

[Trina Brief]

Yeah, not bad.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm gonna go with the 70s for music and movies because you had punk rock, you had all those gritty New York films and just great, like, conspiracy movies. I just watched the Parallax View. That was amazing. With Warren Beatty.

[Jesse Waters]

Do you have any more questions, Greg?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think I'm out.

[Jesse Waters]

Come on. No, because you're rambling.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, but can I. Yeah, one more.

[Trina Brief]

All right, super fast, everybody.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do you still need an alarm to wake up?

[Katie Pavlich]

Yes.

[Jessica Tarlov]

No.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Trina Brief]

I set four.

[Jesse Waters]

Four.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I don't need any because I'm on prednisone for my hand injury.

[Jesse Waters]

Tell them about the hand injury real quick.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Let's just say that you can get injured during a colonoscopy, and it doesn't have to be down there. One more thing.

[Jesse Waters]

So glad we did it.

[Donald Trump]

I'm the God monster from the end.

[Jesse Waters]

Of the the world.

[Will Kane]

It's Will Tank Country. Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through Thursday@fox news.com or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss the show. Listen and follow the podcast five days a week at Fox newspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts.

[Trina Brief]

You do not want to know what they're talking about during the commercial. Maybe do. Okay, it's time for one more thing, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Tonight we got A great show. Tom Shalhou, Dagan McDowell, Paul Morrow, Cat Timp. Let's do something new. Greg's what the heck did he see? News now. Take a look at this prairie dog. What is going on with him? There he is. He's just doing his shit. Excuse me. And what did he just see? What did he just see? Shannon, what do you think he saw?

[Trina Brief]

So cute. He saw you. He saw you posing as a lemur.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse, would you for a billion Greg, with that little. Ah, you sick animal. All right, wait.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm not done yet.

[Jesse Waters]

What do you want to promote?

[Katie Pavlich]

I saw his ex wife.

[Trina Brief]

Wow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jessica, no.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Do your show.

[Trina Brief]

All right, Jesse, it's your turn. Are you done? Wait, Are you done?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm done. No, I just wanted to say what he saw.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, what did he see? Okay. He saw your show.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Saw naked. Brian Kilmeade.

[Trina Brief]

All right, Jesse.

[Jesse Waters]

All right. The 28th annual Air Guitar World Championships in Finland, obviously. This week, 13 of the world's best fake strummers squaring off. Look at these guys go. They're judged on originality, the ability to be taken over by the music, stage presence, technical merit, artistic impression and airness. And they can use an electric guitar or acoustic. And wow, look at that girl go.

[Trina Brief]

He can use electric or acoustic.

[Jesse Waters]

Tonight, Jesse Waters primetime. A mystery guest. You can tell by the hair.

[Trina Brief]

The show's not booked yet.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's Johnny.

[Jesse Waters]

That's why I was late today.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I love it.

[Trina Brief]

He drives a hard bargain. Okay, Jessica, what have you got?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I have a flight situation.

[Trina Brief]

Oh.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Maybe good, maybe bad. I don't know how you'd feel about this. It could be the best or worst thing. A five piece jazz band aboard a delayed flight kept passengers entertained with an impromptu show. Flight from St. Louis to Seattle delayed several times, then rerouted to Boise for mechanical issues. The band was headed to the next leg of its tour, but found an unlikely audience of stranded passengers. That's nice stuff to me.

[Trina Brief]

Okay.

[Katie Pavlich]

I like it.

[Trina Brief]

Katie, I'm just going to do my promo so we can have time for you on Fox News Sunday. This weekend, Senator James Lankford, Senator Jack Reed, both sides of the aisle. Are they ready to drop the sanctions package on Putin? We'll ask Katie.

[Katie Pavlich]

Okay, we're watching.

[Trina Brief]

All right.

[Katie Pavlich]

A long awaited reunion between David Lukenhaus and David Berlinghoff. They both served in the Vietnam War. One a former pilot and one that he. This guy rescued the other guy in Vietnam and they have never met in person. After 54 years, they finally embrace each other in an emotional reunion. So the guy who saved him in Vietnam got to meet. Pretty cool.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I love that.

[Trina Brief]

Thank you to those men from the.

[Will Kane]

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[Trina Brief]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Will Kane]

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