Zo-mance

Summary

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The Five

Episode Title: Zo-mance
Date: November 25, 2025
Host: Jesse Watters
Panelists: Greg Gutfeld, Kellyanne Conway, Jessica Tarlov, Kennedy
Podcast: FOX News Podcasts

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Episode Overview

The panel dives into the unexpected "bromance"—dubbed “Zo-mance”—between President Trump and the incoming NYC mayor, Zoran Mamdani ("Zoran the Destroyer"), after their widely discussed Oval Office meeting. The show breaks down the chemistry between the supposed political adversaries, reactions from both the political left and right, and explores the implications for cross-party collaboration. The episode also tackles controversy over a group of Democratic senators’ video challenging military compliance with orders, the crisis in Chicago after a violent Christmas tree lighting, Hillary Clinton’s latest digs at Trump, and ends with speculation on the future of money, plus some Thanksgiving-themed fun.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump & Zoran: The Political Odd Couple

(01:04–11:17)

• Meeting Recap & Chemistry

  • The media expected a fierce confrontation between Trump and socialist mayor-elect Zoran Mamdani. Instead, the two found surprising agreement on the issue of affordability.
  • Jesse Watters (01:04): “President Trump hitting it off with Zoran the Destroyer...the chemistry between them was, well, undeniable.”
  • Greg Gutfeld describes this as political high ground: “Zoran had learned from Trump. He chose the high ground maneuver, which is affordability...You can’t come out against affordability the same way you can’t come out against common sense.” (03:36)

• Surprise for Both Sides

  • Conservatives were stunned to see Trump charmed by Mamdani, and even defending him over accusations of fascism.
  • Kennedy (07:18): “This is classic Trump. He’s the charmer here...hoping that this guy will not follow through on some of his radical ideas.”
  • Jessica Tarlov (09:36): “He was certainly an adorable little fanboy in the Oval Office. And I actually think it’s a good model for how we should treat each other over Thanksgiving.”

• Common Ground & Populism

  • Both figures are positioned as populists with different branding, seeking to connect over affordability, a pressing voter concern.
  • Jessica Tarlov (09:36): “The affordability crisis is all about populism with a slightly different label.”

• Political Risks & Reactions

  • Mamdani’s willingness to work with Trump is described as undercutting progressive outrage and risky for his standing among left-wing supporters.
  • Online backlash among MAGA and progressive bases reacting with confusion or anger at the lack of confrontation.

• Quote – On Cross-Party Hope

  • Kennedy (11:17): “If we end up with a better country, I’m happy to be proven wrong on every single thing.”

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2. Senate Democrats’ “Illegal Orders” Video Backlash

(12:42–23:36)

• Background

  • Senate Democrats, including Mark Kelly and Alyssa Slotkin, released a video urging military personnel to defy “illegal orders” from President Trump, without citing any actual illegal orders. The Pentagon is investigating possible misconduct.

• Panel Skepticism

  • Jesse Watters frames it as a calculated “destabilization operation” inspired by intelligence tactics: “It’s a destabilization operation where you get people to mistrust each other...straight out of the CIA playbook.” (14:32)
  • Greg Gutfeld lampoons the video as solving a “nonexistent problem” and claims it reflects Democratic tendency for grandstanding: “Another unnecessary solution to an imaginary problem.” (21:08)
  • Jessica Tarlov notes the dangerous precedent in confusing disagreeable orders with illegal ones: “There may be things about bombing boats in the Caribbean that I have an issue with...But I have not sworn an oath to the Constitution.” (16:54)
  • Kellyanne Conway argues the video simply reminds people of their duty to refuse unlawful orders, referencing historic and recent Trump controversies. (18:41)

• Memorable Analogy

  • Greg Gutfeld (21:08): “Like finding a seven year old who’s confused and saying, ‘You know what you have? You’re born in the wrong body. We need to chop off your junk.’”

• Cynicism About Motives

  • Panel suggests the video is more about stoking anti-Trump sentiment and keeping his opponents mobilized than actual military ethics.

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3. Chicago Violence & Criminal Justice Debate

(24:35–33:22)

• Incident Recap

  • Recent violence in Chicago: a 14-year-old killed at a Christmas tree lighting, a woman set on fire on a train by a career criminal with 72 arrests.
  • Jessica Tarlov (24:36): “[The woman] was able to escape the train… No one on the train would help her. What does that tell you about Chicago?”

• Systemic Critique

  • Jesse Watters blames the city’s patronage system and progressive judges for chronic recidivism: “[Judge Molina] is the first Puerto Rican judge in Cook County. Woo hoo DEI judge. She said the only reason she went into law is because she found every other subject too confusing.”
  • Panel decries ‘empty the prisons’ ideology and failure of enforcement meant to prioritize second chances over public safety.
  • Kennedy (27:14): “This is all causation. If you have policies that…say we’re all worthy of…73 chances, this man had 72 arrests.”

• Policy Frustration

  • Kellyanne Conway (29:19): “I think every city mayor should find a way to get a ballot measure out…You can’t run a city like this.”

• Empathy or Elitism?

  • Greg Gutfeld criticizes the ‘credentialed class’ and the lack of contact with ordinary citizens: “Those who supported cashless bail…never ran it by anyone but their fellow elites.” (31:12)

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4. Hillary Clinton’s Trump Obsession

(33:31–38:00)

• Viral Moment

  • Clinton, interrupted by a fire alarm at an event, jokes about needing a national sound system to proclaim, “He is gone,” referring to Trump. Panel riffs on her continued focus on Trump and the psychological grip he holds for his opponents.

  Quote:
  “I wish that there could be like a huge national sound system and we would all wake up and they’d say, attention, attention. We have found the problem and we have solved it. He is gone.”
  — Hillary Clinton, as recounted by Jessica Tarlov (34:15)

• Panel Reactions

  • Kennedy calls Clinton “patient zero for Trump derangement syndrome.”
  • Greg Gutfeld, Jessica Tarlov, and Kellyanne Conway debate whether Clinton’s grudge fuels opposition or just alienates more voters.
  • Jesse Watters (38:00): “If you have an unhealthy obsession with something, a professional will tell you, cut it out of your life. The problem is they can’t cut Trump out of their lives because he’s everywhere.”

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5. Elon Musk & The Future of Money

(39:30–41:43)

• Elon’s Prediction
  • Kellyanne Conway summarizing Musk: “Elon Musk predicting that money may not matter in the future. Thanks to AI.”
  • Greg Gutfeld: “Energy and currency are becoming the same thing…We could just transfer energy.” (40:14)
  • Jessica Tarlov laughs about futurism: “Who cares if they’re right? No one’s going to be alive to know and fact check them.” (39:58)
  • Jesse Watters fires back, worried about the implications of too much automation and free time.

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6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Trump and Zoran’s Relationship

• Greg Gutfeld (03:36):
  “Is this Godzilla vs. Mothra? No, it’s really Batman and Robin. And we know who Batman is and we know who Robin is.”

On Clinton’s Sound System Remark

• Hillary Clinton (as recounted by Jessica Tarlov at 34:15):
  “We have found the problem and we have solved it. He is gone.”
• Kennedy:
  “She’s patient zero for Trump derangement syndrome.” (37:59)

On Political Grandstanding

• Greg Gutfeld (21:08):
  “Another unnecessary solution to an imaginary problem.”

On Recidivist Criminals

• Kennedy (27:14):
  “This is all causation. If you have policies that…say we’re all worthy of…73 chances, this man had 72 arrests.”
• Greg Gutfeld (31:12):
  “This guy had 72 strikes. That’s six perfect games.”

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Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump and Zoran’s Meeting & Political Implications: 01:04–11:17
• Senate Dems ‘Illegal Orders’ Video/Civil-Military Tensions: 12:42–23:36
• Chicago Crime & Bail Reform Policies: 24:35–33:22
• Hillary Clinton’s Trump Remarks & Election Fallout: 33:31–38:00
• Elon Musk on AI and the End of Money: 39:30–41:43

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Tone & Style

The tone is classic The Five: irreverent, bantering, and heavy with sarcasm and pop culture references. The episode features jabs at both progressives and establishment figures, with humor serving as both a defense mechanism and critique.

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Summary Takeaway

The panel presents the Trump-Zoran meeting as a potential blueprint for finding common ground even among the most unlikely political rivals, but they remain skeptical about lasting change. The episode scrutinizes political theatrics—from Democratic senators’ warnings to Clinton’s public Trump frustrations—while sounding alarms over the consequences of leniency in the justice system. The discussion veers from the wildly speculative (AI’s impact on money) to grounded critiques of crime, politics, and media hysteria—delivering an entertaining, fast-paced rundown for listeners keen on America’s latest political fault lines.

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Transcript

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[Jesse Watters]

Hello everybody. I'm Jesse Waters along with Kellyanne Conway, Jessica Tarlov Kennedy and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five. President Trump hitting it off with Zoran the Destroyer, the political odd couple. Stunning the pundit class. It was bracing for a full on capitalism versus socialism showdown. Instead, Trump and Zoron found some surprising common ground on affordability. And the chemistry between them was, well, undeniable.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hopefully a really great mayor.

[Jesse Watters]

The better he does, the happier I am.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Are you affirming that you think President.

[Kennedy]

Trump is a fascist?

[Jesse Watters]

I've spoken about. That's okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You can just say yes.

[Jesse Watters]

Okay. It's easier. It's easier than explaining it. Would you feel comfortable living in New York City under a Mahdani administration? Yeah, I would.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I really.

[Jesse Watters]

Especially after the meeting.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Absolutely.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Why did you fly here? Aren't trains greener?

[Greg Gutfeld]

At least that's long. That's a very. That's a very long drive.

[Jesse Watters]

I'll stick up for you, but don't get it twisted. Days later and Comrade Z, still calling Trump the F word.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Mr. Mayor elect, just to be very.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Clear, do you think that President Trump is a fascist?

[Greg Gutfeld]

And after President Trump said that, I said yes. So you do. And that's something that I've said in the past. I say it today.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Do you still believe President Trump is a threat to the democracy?

[Jesse Watters]

Everything that I've said in the past.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I continue to believe.

[Jesse Watters]

All right, Greg, what'd you think about the meeting?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I think. Okay, first off, I had made some predictions before the meeting took place and they all came true. Let's roll that tape. Oh, they don't have the tapes. It's okay. Clearly, Zoran had learned from Trump. He chose the high ground maneuver, which is affordability. It's on the high ground. You can't come out against affordability the same way you can't come out against common sense, which is what screwed the Dems. The Dems decided that they, they couldn't join Trump on common sense, so they stuck to the 20 of the 8020 issue. Zoran, however, comes out with affordability. And what does Trump do? He doesn't oppose it, he just joins it. I like affordability too. So he just gets on the same high ground with Zoran and they kind of just hang out there and sooner or later you're going to see which one means it, which one doesn't. I think Zoran is kind of in the fog of war right now, and the only ally he has is Trump. So Trump knows that and Trump bails him out in that fascist thing, which was really, really nice. He said, you know, you were thinking, okay, is this Godzilla versus Mothra? No, it's really Batman and Robin. And we know who Batman is and we know who Robin is. And when he says, don't worry about it, that was his way of saying, I bailed you out. Also, that little moment there with Trump basically said the word fascist is just meaningless. I don't care if you use it. You can call me it. I don't care. Cuz really, it doesn't mean anything. But the other thing, and it's really important, what Trump did that he always does, is he emphasizes the individual and not the group. So he gave credit to Zoran not as a socialist or a Democrat, but as a winner, he says. Really impressed by how he won. And I wonder if this was a subtle cleaving, pulling Zoran away from this kind of identity obsession and saying, look, you're now with the big boys. It's not that. The idea of socialism, that's gone. You won. So let's work together. I don't think Zoran's ever experienced anyone talking to him as an individual outside of the identity politic. He's been mired in that. He loves it. But now this guy comes in and recognizes him as a personal achievement, not a political one.

[Jesse Watters]

Jessica, why don't more Democrats come into the Oval Office and try to work together on things that they have common ground with with Donald Trump?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Well, a few very big deal Democrats like Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer came into the Oval and they were greeted with MAGA hats and then AI Sombrero videos. So Maidani got a very different visit to the White House than other Democrats. And I think part of it was that Donald Trump was genuinely charmed by him. There are people who don't like his politics that admit that the guy is, you know, off the charts charismatic and very compelling. And I think that Mamdani came into this meeting with exactly the right attitude because he knew he had to go down to D.C. to make sure that New York City, which we are mayor in a month and a half or so, needs all of its federal funding. And he's not going to get the tax hikes that he wants from Kathy Hochul, either personal or on the corporate level. And he needs to make sure that the city, the streets aren't flooded with ICE agents and that we get our money. You know, Trump grinning at him like that was, I don't say completely unexpected, but definitely was a picture that I don't think he'll be enjoying as campaign season rolls because he is giving up the talking point that New York City is going to be a hellhole. He even said, you know, I think conservatives are going to be surprised by how well things are going to go there. And you saw the reaction online from a lot of MAGA folks saying, wait, I thought that he was a communist. I thought he was a socialist, a jihadist. He sold Elise Stefanik out there pretty bad.

[Jesse Watters]

But isn't that what you want, though? Don't you want to put politics aside to solve problems?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Oh, sure. I'm talking about what's going on with you guys. I'm cool with what happened.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You Mind reading. You don't know what we're thinking.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Well, I know what Todd Star. I thought Mount Johnny was supposed to be a fascist dictator. What the heck is going on at the White House? You saw a lot of that online where people thought that they were going to get someone who actually thought that their words mattered. Right. So Mamdani has said a lot of things, and then he continued with Chris Welker and said that he meant them. But Donald Trump has called him a bunch of bad things, and he just stared at him like how he looks at Satan in South Park.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No offense to Todd Starnes, but I don't think the entire weight of your opinion should rest on one sighting of Todd Starnes.

[Kellyanne Conway]

It's not one. There were a lot. Just, why deny it? A lot.

[Jesse Watters]

But I think everybody who knows Donald Trump knows he's gonna go in there and he's gonna have A nice cordial meeting with anybody. And he has before.

[Kennedy]

This was classic Trump. This is classic Trump. He's the charmer here. He's charming. This guy who hasn't even taken office yet. And he's hoping that this guy will not follow through on some of his radical ideas, hope that he will rethink some of his non radical ones. And. And for a movement, Jessica, that talks about no kings, you got Trump sitting there like royalty and the guy looking like he's going to go get him a Diet Coke. I mean, he looks like the supplicant. It looked like the Apprentice to this senior partner, no doubt. But this is classic Trump. He did this with Barack Obama and Joe Biden during transition. Same kind of meeting. He congratulated Hillary Clinton when he beat her and said, well, she ran a really tough campaign. She's really tough. He hopes she'll help him in his presidency. Of course, she did nothing of the sort. More on that later. But I think Mondani would have done better saying no to the meeting. He's reduced some of his credibility among the folks who basically are addled with Trump derangement syndrome and essentially look at Trump and say, the more that he enrages me, the less I should engage him. And Mondani did the opposite here. I hope they can work together for the good of New York and the good of the country. Trump is not someone who goes by what you say. He's someone who goes by what you do. And this guy didn't even take the reins yet. I have something else here. Imagine if Mondami had gone in there and said, look, I disagree with things you're doing. Here are the names of the people who have been abducted by ICE and deported unfairly. He did nothing like that. He looked totally cowed and charmed to be there. And you know why that is? Everybody does. If you really wanted to make Donald Trump irrelevant and wish him away, you would ignore him. I have never encountered anyone in 10 years of the Trump era who can actually ignore Donald Trump. He has a gravitational pull. He is a magnetic field. Putin comes to Alaska two, three days later, all of Western Europe is there. All of NATO is in the Oval Office. Sheba comes from Carney comes the guy in Starmer comes. All these new leaders come right to the Oval and and Zorra. Mandani did the same thing. Exactly what a lot of his voters think he shouldn't have done and that they would never do because they don't like Trump. And he does Kennedy.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, for someone who's going to Trump proof the city. He was certainly an adorable little fanboy in the Oval Office. And I actually think it's a good model for how we should treat each other over Thanksgiving, you know, because in the past we have said don't bring up politics at the Thanksgiving table. And maybe there is a way of talking about things where we find common ground. And never forget, Donald Trump is a populist. Zoran Mamdani, he reached out to voters. The affordability crisis is all about populism with a slightly different label. So, you know, politicians finding common ground used to be how deals were struck in Washington. But everyone in leadership on the Democrat side, they have to demonize Trump. It's the only way to raise money and it's the only way to win races. And, you know, Mamdani had really, really solid message discipline and he tried in every way he possibly could to stay in his very narrow lane and find the areas of agreement with Trump. Will it benefit New York City? As someone who lives here, I certainly hope it does. You know, I share that with the President. I think that we should extend that to people that we might have fundamental disagreements with. If they succeed and it makes life better for the majority of people who live within their constituency, then we should hope for that. We should extend that to pretty much anyone who has power impact over our lives.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is a great. Can I just add something I didn't consider, but it's such a great point, is that there are people that root for Trump to do bad and for Trump to do bad, the country has to do bad. And in this case, I'm happy to be proven wrong on every single thing. If we end up with a better country.

[Jesse Watters]

That's right. And I was right about the whole meeting. Roll the tape. Coming up, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth dropping the hammer on the seditious six.

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[Kennedy]

I'm going to start by going to New York City with your number one. Consequences could be coming for those reckless Senate Democrats who posted a video urging our American military to defy, quote, illegal orders, even though they couldn't name a single one. The Pentagon now is probing serious allegations of misconduct into Democratic Senator Mark Kelly, with Secretary of War Pete Hegseth saying he's considering recalling Kelly to active duty for possible court martial, noting that Kelly's conduct, quote, brings discredit upon the armed forces and will be addressed appropriately. And then there's Michigan Senator Alyssa Slotkin. She was completely unable to explain what illegal orders President Trump has supposedly issued. Watch this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders?

[Jessica Tarlov]

To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Couldn't you have done a video saying just what you just said? If you are asked to do something?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I think for us, it was just a statement. Widely. Right. We say very quickly and very. To all the folks who come to us, this is the process. Go to your JAG officer, ask them for explanation for top cover, for their view on things. You going back to Nuremberg. Right, that. Well, they told me to do it.

[Kellyanne Conway]

That's why I.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Murdered people is not an excuse. If you look at popular culture, there's like, you watch A Few Good Men. We have plenty of examples since World War II.

[Kennedy]

Jesse. I sort of wanted her to keep talking. I mean, what, what foolishness. This is a woman who won a year ago by 3. 10 of a percentage point in Michigan by 19,000 votes out of 5 million cast. And she speaks like this. I want. The people of Michigan, Arizona and other senators are interested in sound bites and social media screens rather than facts and figures.

[Jesse Watters]

So I talked to two CIA officers who said that this is a part of a larger hoax. And what they're doing here is they're trying to condition the country to prepare for something bad that's about to happen at the hands of Donald Trump. It's straight out of the CIA playbook. It's a destabilization operation where you get people to mistrust each other. And you do this because she's an analyst. And as an analyst, she would make sure what propaganda operations were successful, which ones weren't, so she knows what works. So the first part of the video, you establish authority. I'm CIA. I'm military. You need to trust us. Second Part of the video, they introduce the threat. And the threat's not foreign, the threat's domestic. The threat's Donald Trump. And then at the end, they introduce the solution. What's the solution? You resist. You say no, but they don't give an option. They say, this is an obligation for you to do. Now, she is being run because she didn't come up with this herself. She's a Brennan acolyte. And you usually don't have congressmen and senators doing anything together. They kind of hate each other. So in order to organize this, this had to have had some sort of handler telling her what to do. And it was risky because nothing like this has ever been done in the history of the country. And you can even tell because the media was skeptical and they couldn't answer the question. So they hadn't even been read in on the operation. You see them fumbling and stumbling. And I'm glad that the US Military is now investigating this guy Kelly, because this is what we expect from Donald Trump 2.0. You can't have the deep state interfering with a duly elected presidency and get away with it. You got to draw the line in the sand, and you have to make examples out of people.

[Kennedy]

Kennedy Secretary of War P hegseth today did say that they're going to investigate Mark Kelly. He retired as a captain. He was. Then he was an astronaut. He's gonna identical to my brother who's an astronaut. But there are special twins experiment.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Einstein the twins.

[Kennedy]

There you go there. Scott Kelly, there are special rules that you must follow if you are a former military, you're always military. If you're retired military. And Hegseth and Department of War are looking into that and saying this guy who doesn't do much in the United States Senate may actually have to go back to active duty. Where do you think that's headed?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes, I think that Senator Kelly might have violated the CAFO doctrine, and he's going to find out the hard way that there unfortunately are consequences because, you know, these people aren't civilians. They have sworn an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. And they know what that means. They know what that means a lot better than we civilians do. But they make a video like this trying to make a plea to people in the armed forces. And what they're really trying to do is imply that things that you might disagree with are also illegal, although there's actually quite a big gulf there. And there may be things about bombing boats in the Caribbean that I have an issue with. I may have an issue with that morally and philosophically. But I have not sworn an oath to the Constitution. So I'm not on the same ground that the warriors and the people in harm's way are. They know what they're getting into. But what these people are trying to do, but trying to confuse them. And everyone I've spoken to in the military who is serving or who has served, they are so disgusted by this whole thing because to Jesse's point, they see it all as a giant manipulation that it doesn't elevate the conversation, it doesn't make us safer, it doesn't make things better. And the destabilization may have catastrophic consequences, consequences for unstable people who are serving, who feel now that it's perfectly okay to violate the chain of command that can have dire and fatal consequences.

[Kennedy]

Jessica, don't you wish you can roll the tape and delete this? This is not the finest moment. And in fact, if you are saying the commander in chief is giving illegal orders and he's not, that itself is illegal because you're telling people to not comply with laws that Hegset today said are presumed to be lawful.

[Kellyanne Conway]

There's nothing in the video that says, I want you to defy lawful orders. It's reminding people that in the Uniform Code of Military justice, you have a sworn duty to not comply with unlawful orders.

[Kennedy]

And what would those.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Senator Slotkin gave an interview to TMZ where she did talk about what could potentially fall into those categories. As Kennedy said, bombing boats in the Caribbean when you don't know who's actually in those boats, and we don't know why General Holsey, who was part of the head of the Southern Command, actually resigned from that post. We'll eventually find out what that is. They go back to 2020, when Donald Trump said, shoot protesters in the legs, and Mark Esper said, we're absolutely not doing things like that. Concerned that people who are serving right now have come to tell these veteran representatives that they feel like sending troops into American cities and possibly being pitted against American citizens are things that could fall into these categories. And Jesse said, you know, they're doing this to sow discord and distrust amongst American citizens. Now, I think what's really sowing distrust and discord amongst American citizens is the fact that the America first movement online is a bunch of bot farms, and it's coming from Nigeria, it's coming from Russia and Iran, but no one seems to really care about that. They want to talk about these veterans, and Pete Hegseth is proving the Famous.

[Jesse Watters]

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[Kellyanne Conway]

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[Jesse Watters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Wait, is he related to Todd Starnes?

[Jesse Watters]

Never even heard of him.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Pete Hegseth is proving these Democrats point with this idea of bringing Mark Kelly in and then possibly leading to a court martial. Because if that's what they're going to do to a sitting senator, then think about what a junior officer who's concerned about the orders that he's getting is going to face if he does go to his JAG officer. And these representatives have said that, that they are hearing from folks on the ground, that they are concerned about the direction that we're going in.

[Kennedy]

And this is a way to say.

[Jesse Watters]

A former CIA officer is telling you.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Too many is when AOC was letting undocumented people know their rights. And she said, here's a list of things that you are entitled to by being here, even if you are in this country illegally. And they said that the AOC was committing a crime, that she was trying to tell people to do illegal things and evade ICE when she was just telling you what your rights are. And these Democrats are doing the same thing. They're saying this is what your constitutional oath means.

[Kennedy]

Greg, a lot of ifs here.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Okay. I just have to remind everybody that they've lost all credibility. This is the same machinery that denied Hunter's laptop and claimed that that Joe Biden was fit for duty. So we have no obligation to believe that they are hearing from folks on the ground. A CIA analyst? Are you serious? Look, this was another unnecessary solution to an imaginary problem. It's much like finding a seven year old who is confused and saying, you know what you have? You're born in the wrong body. We need to chop off your junk. They always create an unnecessary solution to an imaginary problem. The Dems pretty much admit that. Okay, number one, once they got called on it, as Jessica says, it was a video that was just pronouncing things that were obvious to everybody. So obvious in fact, that it's in the manual. So why did you do it? And then why, when you did it, you didn't have any evidence to back it up other than hearsay. This and that I've heard from people. So the point of creating an imaginary problem is so that you imagine the problem in your head. Troops torching small villages like they see in movies, when in fact the only people torching villages in the United States are leftists. It is especially pathetic and hilarious that Slotnik could only bring up A movie as good as it gets. A Few Good Men. Wrong Nicholson film A Few Good Men to provide evidence for this to make a shocking national pronouncement. Okay, can I say this? Over the weekend I watched Alien. It's a classic movie. And I just want to point out that if you have any stomach pain, it might not be indigestion. It could be a giant, monstrous alien creature living inside your bowels. Because that makes about as much sense. Is her citing a. A loosely based. A movie loosely based on a hazing incident in Gitmo. Now you give them too much credit for this Psyop. They're not that smart. I think they were just trying to tweak Trump and for, for better or for worse, they, they pretty much achieved it. To me, they're like antifa burning an American flag, hoping that these patriotic counter protesters attack so they could press charges. This was all about getting something. But that, even, even when I say that, I think that's giving them too much credit. They just might be ass wipes.

[Jesse Watters]

It's organized though, because senators and congressmen don't talk to each other. And these are the only. No, they don't. And they're the only people who really served in these intelligence laden fields. Delta Force, CIA, Navy. Come on. This was organized.

[Kennedy]

All hypotheticals, all the way to the top. President Trump is renewing his call for the National Guard after a deadly Christmas tree lighting shooting in Chicago. This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series the Life of Jesus.

[Jesse Watters]

A listening experience that will provide hope.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Comfort and understanding of the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow starting November 30th on foxnewspodcasts.com.

[Kennedy]

Hello.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Welcome back. President Trump offering to bring in the National Guard to Chicago after two chaotic and horrific stories. First, a deadly teen takeover shooting during the city's annual tree lighting ceremony. A 414 year old boy was killed, 8 others were injured. And second, we have learned the idea of the woman who was set on fire on a Chicago train by a career criminal. With 72 arrests on his record, 26 year old Bethany McGee is still in critical condition fighting for her life. And we are learning that the suspect, Lawrence Reed, repeatedly violated his curfew and movement restrictions in the days leading up to the alleged attack. He had been jailed on felony allegations that he knocked a social worker unconscious. But Judge Teresa Molina Gonzalez denied a prosecution request to keep him jailed. Jesse, this is. Both of these are incredibly brutal and senseless. You've got the murderous flash mob but then you have this career criminal on the train who went out of his way to douse Bethany McGhee and gasoline light her on fire a couple of times. Luckily she was able to escape the train and the flames were extinguished by a couple of good Samaritans. No one on the train would help her. What does that tell you about Chicago?

[Jesse Watters]

Well, it tells me there's no heroes. And it also tells me the guy's not insane because he went and bought the gasoline. It's premeditated. How this works is the Democrat machine boss in Chicago. Her name is Toni Preckwinkle. First African American woman to be the boss in Chicago. She runs the Cook County Board of Commissioners. She controls the judges, she slates them. It's a patronage mill. So this woman, Judge Molina, donates $50,000 to the boss and all of a sudden gets the endorsement. And now she is the first Puerto Rican judge in Cook County. Woo hoo DEI judge. She said the only reason she went into law is because she found every other subject too confusing. Not a legal scholar. So the agenda in Cook county now, now that Preckwinkle's running the show, is empty. The prisons, it's social justice reform. Pritzker's in on it. Preckwinkle's in on it. That's the deal. So they, they use these ankle monitors as an excuse. That's the alternative to jail. No pre tile detention, ankle monitor. You walk around and you do whatever the hell you want. So what's going to happen here is this judge is up for reelection next year. So if she gets bounced, you know what happens? The boss just puts in another flunky and the whole thing happens again.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Elianne, you're nodding.

[Kennedy]

That already happened in Chicago. They had Lori Lightfoot and they replaced her at Brandon Johnson. And we still have these, these measures, these criminals on the street. So this doesn't happen by coincidence. This is all causation. If you have policies that don't say we're all worthy of second chances, but 73 chances. This man had 72 arrests. So it is a town of city of Chicago saying you are worthy of 73 chances to get it right. And just like what happened in Charlotte on that train with another innocent woman who also was going to work when her perpetrator was not, clearly, they're murdered. She was murdered. Thankfully, this young woman has survived. She's an analyst at Caterpillar. And this guy, this judge. Thirteen words. I can't keep everybody in jail because the state's attorney wants me to. Those are the 13 words that should haunt her, not just for her reelection. They should go all the way up to Brandon Johnson, the mayor, J.B. pritzker. Pritzker is so worried about 2028 and his chances to be president. He's a terrible governor, He's a terrible mayor. The mayor actually said when the 14 year old was killed at the Christmas tree lighting. Nothing like that happens here at Fox's Christmas tree lighting, by the way. And these other kids were injured. He said it was a, quote, setback. This was a setback. And that there should be adults that come with the kids. We need adults here to come and watch them stab each other. This is his answer. He's the mayor of Chicago, our fourth largest city. And so I just want everybody to understand this doesn't happen by accident. This isn't just things happen. God has his way. These are man made crises. And that's why President Trump said, lots of folks are saying, I want Trump to send in the National Guard. Lots of Chicagoans saying that. And I think we're getting very close to needing to do that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah, but the blame the victim mentality, unfortunately that's a 9010 issue. 90% of people in big cities especially want these recidivist criminals off the streets because the prosecutors and the cops know that these people are the biggest threat to places like Chicago and New York and Detroit and la.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Totally. I mean, we saw that when the shoplifting, the kind of petty crime was absolutely out of control here. I mean the statistics were staggering. But it was like the same 10 people that were doing this and then their organizations, the people who worked for them that were carrying it out. So I don't know the mechanics of how this would work, but I think that every big city mayor should find the way to get a ballot measure out there in their communities and say, I know that you want 90% of these progressive policies, but this 10% is really bad. And you don't want a guy like this on the street. You don't want a guy like we saw in North Carolina. You think Jordan Neely here in the city should have been involuntarily committed. Let's put this to the people. Because the contrast between having the choice between a Democrat and a Republican is too stark to actually change it. People would rather have a Democrat or Democrat leaning. What's Alvin Bragg, District attorney, for instance. But if you put it to the people and the answer was more direct democracy, I think you would see responses like you get out of those city council meetings where people show up. And they just say, this is not what we want. Right. We want some of these other things. But you can't run a city like this. You can't run a country based on humanity and civil society this way. And so I think the Democratic mayors should find out, however it works, the procedure where you are in charge and put this to the people and then make sure that the new plan is executed so guys like that are not back on the street.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You can have a civil society, but unfortunately you have to prosecute people equally. You can't pick and choose and then demonize victims. And that's what happens with these ultra progressive mayors because, you know, 14, 15 year olds operate with impunity.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, it's. But let's say, I mean, our problem with society is that we just move on from these things. We have so much stimulus coming into us. This case is horrible. We would have dwelled on it for a long time. We won't anymore. There's other stuff coming. But that doesn't mean the law should ignore this. I remember I had a debate with a friend of mine, I don't know, 25 years ago about the three strikes you're outlaw, which I was for in California. And he kept saying, you shouldn't base your laws on, on a rule in baseball. This is the law. And I remember joking, okay, would you be happier if we chose bowling instead where you can get 12 strikes and you're out? And it was like, I'm being absurd, but now I would like that. Yeah, 12 strikes would make me happy. This guy had 72 strikes. That's six perfect games. I did the math. The policy. Here's the issue with the policies. They're pushed by a credentialed class who have no support among the people where these policies unfold. So how does it happen? How do they, why do they keep doing it if they know that people hate this because they have no contact with them, they have no connection to the average working class, black or white. Those who supported cashless bail, which called this caused all this recidivism. They never ran it by anyone but their fellow elites. They didn't go down to the subway and go, hey, how do you feel about a violent felon being released immediately after? Because if we held them, it would be construed as racist. They would throw you in front of a subway train for being stupid. So I think they, you know, they are always going to come back to blaming racism. They should be forced to live with the next suspect. If that's the case, I Don't believe they care. When I look at how can, like, Brandon Johnson get up in the morning and not think about this? The only way you can do that is by deliberately not caring that this, this will pass. It will pass. It's all it's really about. Preserving their status and their power.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes. And they pretend to have the most empathy when really they are.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They don't give two shits.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Non empathetic. All right, up next, Hillary Clinton reveals her big dream about Trump. Stay with.

[Jesse Watters]

Steady, steady rocking on Foreign.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Country. Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through Thursday@fox news.com or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss the show. Listen and follow the podcast five days a week at Fox newspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. Hillary daydreaming again. And not about the deleted Epstein prison footage. Clinton was speaking at an event with Lin Manuel Miranda, my understudy in college, when she got interrupted by a fire alarm and said this.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You know what this reminds me of is I wish that there could be.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Like a huge national sound system and we would all wake up and they'd say, attention, attention. We have found the problem and we have solved it. He is gone.

[Kennedy]

But. But the reason we're here tonight is.

[Jessica Tarlov]

To remind all of us, including ourselves.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That that can't happen unless we make it happen. Jessica, when was the last time you talked to Hillary?

[Kellyanne Conway]

A couple weeks ago.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How's she doing?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Great.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You check in on her? Must be frustrated to be reminded every day that Trump crushed your dreams. But why must you remind everyone of it, too? Like if she stopped talking about him.

[Kellyanne Conway]

No, what she's encouraging people to do is to turn out and vote, which is what they have been doing because all of us actually wish that that alarm system worked. Okay, that is true.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Or has she asked about me?

[Kellyanne Conway]

No, no, no. But she also hasn't said anything bad about you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, then she loves me.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Okay, listen, she.

[Jesse Watters]

That's a very healthy woman. To think.

[Kellyanne Conway]

This woman had lock her up chance through arenas across the country because of Donald Trump. And I know that you love to mock her, but she represents the way millions of Americans feel about this. And you saw it in the 2025 election results. You see it with his cratering support, people think he's not doing anything to help the economy. I mean, he's trying to roll back his own tariffs, actually, to give people the upper hand.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Tariffs can be rolled back. That's the whole point of tariffs.

[Kellyanne Conway]

The whole point of the tariffs was supposed to be that you can roll.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Them up, you can roll them back.

[Kellyanne Conway]

For the American economy. And guess what? It was just a tax.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I would love Democrats to do things that could be adjustable as opposed to permanent. Shall we go into that?

[Kellyanne Conway]

You give him so much rope.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Craig, speak like a true Hillary fan. She really is a defender of women, isn't she?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No, she's not. And if she were a defender of women, more women would have voted for her. Whenever she goes out on these whining tours, she just reminds everyone what a horrible, unlikable shrew she was when she ran in 2016 and 2008, and why voters, a lot of them, voted against her because Trump was completely untried. I mean, that was a massive gamble and a huge experiment for so many voters. But she was so incredibly off putting. And she goes out there and when she says, like, I hope there's a siren that says he's gone, it's like, well, gone could be taken in a number of ways. And you're trying to mobilize people to do what in between?

[Kennedy]

Oh, come on.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Not going for four years.

[Jessica Tarlov]

He was gone for four years, Jesse, right?

[Kennedy]

You had your time. He was gone for four years. And what did she do? Where's the Hillary Clinton center for Women and Girls? I'm sure there's a Bill Clinton center for Women and Girls. What has she done for anyone, this woman? And it's called projection. When Hillary Clinton says go away, it's exactly what people want her to do. She the last time she heard the words he's gone, her husband Bill was taken off with the side piece known as the Energizer Bunny. I mean, this is a woman who doesn' she doesn't represent most women in this country. She's an elitist and she reminds us all why they didn't like her to be with. But by the way, bottom line, she's patient zero for Trump derangement syndrome. Why do you even have to mention him? What does he have to do with the topic at hand? She's like, by the way, I hear a siren. I have to mention Trump. And he was gone for four years. He came back because of people like her and Kamala Harris. He has beaten two women for president fairly and squarely. And she's got no platform. She's done nothing for anybody else. All money, all that power, all that position, and she uses it to have Trump derangements.

[Jesse Watters]

That'd be a great hat, Trump. I beat women I could. That would sell.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, Jesse, do you know it would be misinterpreted rumored that Jamaal Bowman was seen exiting the building, pulling the fire alarm.

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah, Greg, if you can't control your appetite, you don't go to the buffet. If you have a sex addiction, you stop watching porn. If you have a gambling problem, you just don't fly to Vegas. If you have an unhealthy obsession with something a professional will tell you, cut it out of your life. Yes, the problem is they can't cut Trump out of their lives because he's everywhere. That's true. That's why Hillary fantasizes about him leaving. And that's why Bill fantasizes about her leaving.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Is that funny? It's like when you get dumped by somebody, like when you're in high school, you suddenly see them everywhere.

[Jesse Watters]

Happened to me before.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Neither did it. Didn't happen to me. Up next, Elon predicts money may not matter in the future.

[Kennedy]

Hi, I'm here to pick up my son, Milo. There's no Milo here.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Who picked up my son from school?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Streaming only on PC. I'm gonna need the name of everyone that could have a connection.

[Kennedy]

You don't understand.

[Kellyanne Conway]

It was just the five of us.

[Kennedy]

So this was all planned.

[Kellyanne Conway]

What are you gonna do?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I will do whatever it takes to get my son back.

[Jesse Watters]

I honestly didn't see this coming.

[Greg Gutfeld]

These nice people killing each other.

[Jesse Watters]

All her fault.

[Greg Gutfeld]

A new series. Streaming now only on Peacock. There will still be constraints on power, like in it, like electricity and mass. The fundamental physics elements will still be still be constraints. But I think at some point currency becomes irrelevant.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Elon Musk predicting that money may not matter in the future. Thanks to AI Kennedy.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I love this whole thing. I love futurists. Who cares if they're right? No one's going to be alive to know and fact check them. It's just really fun to dream build and imagine what these sex robots are going to do to our lives.

[Kellyanne Conway]

No money, Greg, how will you pay the ladies?

[Greg Gutfeld]

It does feel that energy and currency are becoming the same thing. We used to worry about how much cash we have in our wallet. Now we have anxiety about how much charge we have in our phone and energy. The cost of energy directly affects the cost of everything. Cheaper gas, the cheaper goods. So why don't we just make the transaction that much more direct and eliminated the paper money and everything and just make and we could just transfer energy.

[Jessica Tarlov]

To each other like Chinatown.

[Kellyanne Conway]

The penny was the tip of the iceberg.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jesse.

[Jesse Watters]

Yeah, I don't know if I trust Greg's idea of people walking around with Gallons of gasoline. But I don't know if he's talking about that or if he's saying that we're going to have so much technology, it's going to be so easy to do jobs, that we're just going to kind of sit back and maybe have too much free time. I think that's a bad thing. Too much free time. Imagine the kind of trouble we'd get all into if we didn't have jobs. Probably be in prison.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, you should be.

[Kellyanne Conway]

They'd like you in there, kelly.

[Kennedy]

Only after 70 years.

[Kellyanne Conway]

It's a compliment. You're pretty.

[Jesse Watters]

No, I'm going to a woman's prison. I'm transitioning.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Uh oh.

[Kennedy]

This is Elon Musk at his finest. He didn't belong in the government. I love him in the private sector. I love when he's talking about the future. Space travel, disease cures, and he's projecting the positives of AI. There's so much about it that's negative. I don't understand how the Democrats, including the two that just ran for governor, are against these data centers. We need the power. We'll have the power, but this is about the future, about efficiencies, about reskilling different professions. And I'm glad Elon's talking about it.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Okay, One More Thing's up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

WeatherTech presents.

[Jesse Watters]

Time now for One More Thing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Greg, do we have a show tonight? We have Emily Campagno, Steve Cortez, Kat Temp and Tyrus. That's tonight at 10:00pm oh, we have time.

[Jesse Watters]

You didn't do anything stupid?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I had a sexy meerkat, but they said save it for tomorrow.

[Jesse Watters]

All right.

[Kellyanne Conway]

All right, guys. Tune in tomorrow for the sexy meerkat. Did you see the tree lighting on Friday? I hope you did. It was awesome. We were all saying it was the best one yet. Yes, absolutely. Bright lights, the trees, the snow. Holiday spirit in the air. Most of all because of all the incredible donations to Toys for tothe. Between Fox employees and viewers. Together we've donated more than 5,000 toys for tots. You don't have to wait for the holidays. Well, we're in the holidays to do it now. But you can always give and you always should give. It's an incredible organization and we're proud to partner with them.

[Jesse Watters]

Okay, And Johnny's Thanksgiving quiz at 8. Watch this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What country did the Pilgrims come from?

[Jesse Watters]

Europe.

[Kennedy]

That's a continent, that country.

[Jesse Watters]

It's not a country. That's okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Where did they come from? I don't know.

[Jesse Watters]

That's it for us. Have a great night everybody. Hey, Ryan Reynolds here wishing you a.

[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Jesse Watters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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