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Grandma Kathy
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Grandma Kathy
What's going on? Everybody in this beach. What we got? What's up? We got Enoch. What's going on? Enoch Tinkle in the building. What's going on? Tinko, Sharon, Denise. I see you. I see you. I see you. Come on in. Come on in. Got a lot to talk about today. This is a news cycle that won't stop everybody heading for the hills. We got supposed tapes coming out. What's up, Suzanne, Susan, What is up with everybody today? I put the donation link in the chat. Let me put it up on the big board. Today is Friday. Thank God it's tgif. Thank God it's Flows. Hey, there. Was that tgifpd like the live y' all like the live as you come in. Who else we see in here? Y' all coming in here. We got how many we got? A couple Sharon's, a couple Susans. If they. Only because I'm Grandma Kathy. If they don't leave my. My damn Michael Jackson, they'll leave my boy alone. I'm gonna go nuclear on. This is getting on my nerves. How many of y' all have seen all the fuss about that new Michael Jackson? That new Michael Jackson documentary is a hit piece that Netflix that's put out by being put out on Netflix called The verdict. I don't even like plugging it, but I've been seeing the clips all over social media, and they are. They will. They just will not stop with Michael. Plus, we're gonna definitely update on Diddy. His ass going down, it appears. Update. We gotta update in the Ashley. Ashley Janae case. Well, it sounds like this is a final update. What I feared from the beginning and what I told y' all appears to be true. Oh, boy. Look like he. If he did it, which a lot of us think he did, has something to do with, appears he getting away with it. Yeah, we're gonna go over. I see a lot of people in the comments pissed like me. We're gonna go over it. You know, I'm not supporting it, but I'm definitely still gonna put Netflix on blast because the more is people who don't understand. It's some people who don't understand how bad and how much. We've had enough of this Michael Jackson slander. So although I don't want to promote it, I do want to expose it. And in order to expose it, I got to keep it real and tell the truth about what's going on. And we're going to have to go over a clip or two, but this is also. There's also rumors going around that Drake may leak. Dre may leak a sex tape because of his beef with Jay Z, and it might have something to do with Beyonce. We're gonna talk about that, too. This is, this is. This is. This is a crazy one, y'. All. A lot going on. A lot going on. Yeah. Grandma Kathy, Cassie left the country. We talked about that. I think, what, yesterday or a couple days ago, we talked about Cassie leaving the country. Definitely, definitely, definitely. She got her 30 million enrolled. So let's see where we gonna start at first. Go ahead. If you want to support the show, you can either do so by getting a super chat or a super sticker, or you can go to this link right here, Just use a card and donate anywhere from a dollar to $5 to $30 to $50. Whatever, y', all, whatever your heart, whatever's on your heart. But let's, let's, let's, let's, let's update y' all on the Ashley Janae case. Now, y' all know Ashley Janae was the case of the influencer who was dating a white man named McCann for about a year. They took, from what I understand, they took several trips. Their last and final trip was to Africa, where Mr. McCann, and I use the term Mr. Very loosely, Mr. McCann proposed to Ashley and then not too long after the proposal and she said, I do. Or so she said. Yes, they got into an argument, an argument so bad that they had to be separated, put in separate rooms. And then Ashley is found unresponsive and shortly after that, pronounced dead at a hospital. We got conflicting reports from the beginning, even, even in the. The update of them closing the case. We got conflicting reports. One report is saying the hotel staff founder, but. But other reports are saying Mr. McCann founder and they're still, it's still conflicting reports. But despite all the conflicting reports, Everybody looking at McCann is the only possibility. Nobody believes suicide. And now we have the news that Tanzanian authorities have ruled that the 31 year old influencer died by suicide. Talking about Ashley Janae following a domestic dispute with her fiance, Joe McCann. If you recall, Ashley was found unconscious inside her villa at luxury resort in April during what was supposed to be a birthday getaway. The Tanzania police say a hotel employee entered Ashley's villa during a wellness check after getting no response at the door and discovered her hanging inside a wardrobe cloth. Authorities also said the incident stem from a fight between a couple days before her death with hotel staff allegedly separating the pair into different rooms after the dispute. The tragedy came days after Ashley posted a video of Joe proposing during a safari they took while on vacation. Joe was questioned by local authorities during the investigation and had his test his passport temporarily seized. Though he was never arrested, never charged. Almost immediately after her passing, Ashley's family publicly questioned the circumstances surrounding her death, saying they did not believe she would take her own life. And if you remember, so much time went past and it was way more than enough time for Joe McCann to cover up his tracks, Pay off people. I mean, he was cool, he's cool with the owner of the villa or the resort. And I told y', all, with the family not being able to get over there, like I said, if I, if it was my daughter, I would have been there. Minute she was probably I'm the minute she was in the hospital. The minute I found out anything like that, I'm on the next thing smoking. Your daughter goes over to overseas and ends up in the hospital. I think you need to get your ass out there. Anyway, I told y' all that I didn't feel good about the case because it was too much time for whoever did this. We believe Joe McCain has something to do with it. It was just too much time for whoever did whatever had too much time to cover their tracks. And how we. And this leads Us to now, where the Tanzanian government over in Africa has closed the case and said it's over with. Ashley Jana just committed suicide, and that's that. I think that's a tragic story that ended the way a lot of us thought. Yeah. Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad story, y'.
Co-host or Guest
All.
Grandma Kathy
Sad, sad story. What's going on with Tracy? Shout out. What's going on, Tracy? Tracy said it's been a rough few weeks.
Co-host or Guest
What you.
Grandma Kathy
But what you had going on, Tracy? What's going on, Tracy?
Co-host or Guest
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Grandma Kathy
Oh, she said job. Yeah, I understand.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah, I feel you on that, Tracy. Yeah, definitely.
Grandma Kathy
It's. It's one of those times. It's one of those times. It's a time right now.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah, for sure.
Grandma Kathy
It's a time. What is going on with everybody? Yeah. So. Man,
Co-host or Guest
I told you that, Joe, man. We said that. We said that, bro.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. I ain't even surprised, are you?
Co-host or Guest
No. And it's sad, though.
Grandma Kathy
It's sad.
Co-host or Guest
And I. And I wish the family would have got over there sooner.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah.
Co-host or Guest
Just like you were saying. Like, I would have been on the midnight train to Georgia just to get the connecting flight.
Grandma Kathy
Yep. Immediately. Once she went. Once she. Once your baby in the hospital.
Co-host or Guest
Come on, bro.
Grandma Kathy
It's time to get up and go, bro. You overseas, bro.
Co-host or Guest
You seen they. You seen the school call me about my. I'm like, yeah.
Grandma Kathy
And that's how I go.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
Like just to. To. To just be over here complaining and saying this and saying that in days and weeks is going by, and you ain't go. I get that, man.
Co-host or Guest
No, not at all.
Grandma Kathy
I don't give. You got to figure out and find a man because you gotta think he. He already cool with the owner. We all know African police and government and all that is easy to pay off.
Co-host or Guest
Come on. Money loan already.
Grandma Kathy
Already. So he over there. I mean, it's almost common sense. He over there all by himself.
Co-host or Guest
She all secluded from her family.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. And he know everybody. He don't know nobody.
Co-host or Guest
They going on a getaway. Yeah. He wanted to get you away from your family.
Grandma Kathy
Some people over there don't care nothing about Ashley. No, he. He passed somebody a hundred dollar one hundred American dollars. Five hundred American dollars is damn near like five thousand dollars.
Co-host or Guest
And.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah, and. And everybody shutting the up, you know what I'm saying? They. They deleting record what we ain't seen. Now, let me tell you this. This is a villa, hotel, resort.
Co-host or Guest
A resort and a foreign. In the foreign country. So. But in number resorts, they put a lot of effort into putting them together.
Grandma Kathy
Exactly.
Co-host or Guest
With that being said, the got cameras.
Grandma Kathy
There you go. That was where I was going with it.
Co-host or Guest
And they got, they got damn near every angle.
Grandma Kathy
We haven't seen
Co-host or Guest
like, like where's just regular footage of her just walking through that, right? Show us nothing. Show us, show us the footage of them checking into the, the damn village. We ain't seen nothing. Nothing.
Grandma Kathy
If that don't show you that somebody getting paid off and it's a cover up going on, it ain't gonna never. You'll never get it. We haven't seen, we haven't even heard from anybody besides Internet sleuths and YouTube people who, you know, like independent sideline. But I'm saying major news media, new, you know, the major outlets. We ain't even seen no interviews from nobody, nobody to say what happened when they got into an argument. You know, we ain't hearing no first hand account of they had to separate them. And this is just shitty, man. This is shitty, man. Like you said, it's, it's sad more than anything. No, for sure it's sad, man.
Co-host or Guest
No, D. Washington. I ain't. It ain't. I ain't rooting for the spurs because they. Because the Knicks beat the Cavs.
Grandma Kathy
No, we've been rooting for the Spurs. We've been rooting for the spurs since the Knicks playing the Thunder. And before that I've been rooting for the spurs too. I ain't rooting for him just. Cause a matter of fact, if we
Co-host or Guest
talking and then I'll. And then I'm rooting for the underdog I'm considering for real, right? Because a lot of people really is expecting the Knicks to win for real, right?
Grandma Kathy
And another thing I have to admit, we don't even have enough hatred against the Knicks. Cause a lot of people, a lot of y' all didn't even root for
Co-host or Guest
the Knicks, man, for sure.
Grandma Kathy
It's the most Knicks fans I ever seen since I've been watching. I didn't know Knicks had so many fans. So while he talking, it's a lot of Knicks fans coming out the woodwork,
Co-host or Guest
coming out them sewers.
Grandma Kathy
And my one boy John, he from New York, he been ruling for wherever LeBron been at. He been rooting for the Warriors. I didn't even know he rooted for the Knicks. Now he posting on social media, he got his son all in the Knicks
Co-host or Guest
jersey looking like Spike Lee saying something. Yeah, yeah, they're looking like courtside Spike.
Grandma Kathy
Room for wherever LeBron been at, he rooted for Miami, rooting for the Lakers, rooted for the Warriors. I never heard him root for the next man.
Co-host or Guest
This dude I have, like, just. But for real. For real, though, like. Like, not even. Like. Like, just not even, like, all talking aside, Jalen Brunson, a dog.
Grandma Kathy
Oh, he is dog.
Co-host or Guest
And then it's like, that's what I was telling people. I'm like, the only way the spurs is gonna beat them, they got to run them out the gym.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah.
Co-host or Guest
Because they chemist. That's a different type of chemistry.
Grandma Kathy
They got that. They got.
Co-host or Guest
They got them three dudes that. And they didn't went to college together and met before that. So they chemistry is different with Mikhail Bridges and what's her name? Jalen Brunson. Oh, and Josh Hart. So they. That's a different type of dynamic. It's like they know where they gonna be at like the back of their hand. So they. Gameplay is different. Then you got Mitch. Mitch ain't no slouch.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah.
Co-host or Guest
And he's seven foot. You seen he was able to keep Wimby at bay and keep his pinky intact because he had to have surgery on his pinky. Like Mitchell dog. Then they got OG from Toronto, OG Ananubi. He ain't. He ain't to play with. So. No, the Knicks got a squad,
Grandma Kathy
but,
Co-host or Guest
yeah, they've been sweeping. Like. No, we. I. I respect the Knicks for sure.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. Yeah, they got. They like a team that you can't hate on. I mean, they are real old school. Like just a chemistry basketball team.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah. So when they. When I'm rooting for the Spurs, I'm. I'm considering just rooting for the underdog. Cause I know it's a good chance that the Knicks probably gonna win.
Grandma Kathy
So. Yeah, y'. All. But it's definitely a sad story.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah, that's. That's. Yeah. If her. I. I really think if her family could have got there sooner, it's a. It's. Something could have been interjected.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah.
Co-host or Guest
And something would have been able to happen. For real.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah, they didn't put. They didn't give no real pushback. Yeah, they didn't. They took. They took too long to Eve. I mean, I ain't gonna say that. Well, they just took. They didn't even take too long. They just never did it. They didn't go overseas like they. Like they should have. They was over here, you know, doing a lot of complaining. And I was. We were saying it then, like, man, I ain't trying to, you know, take A dump on the family, and they already going through it. But damn, y' all gotta go.
Co-host or Guest
Y' all gotta go hard, man. You gotta go hard for yours.
Grandma Kathy
You gotta go hard. You got to go. I would have been. Every minute and every day that went past, I would have been knowing, oh, they. They over there cleaning up everything, paying up, man, You. This ain't even in America. You all the way. He was comfortably covering this, man. You thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of miles away from anybody who would care about Ashley. He didn't even have to sneak and do it. Pay cut, call his boy who owned the hotel. His boy who owned hotel, know everybody. You know, the hotel owner knowing, got a relationship with everybody. He paid him X amount of dollars. And I'm telling you, if I was to guess, his friend who owned the hotel, man wiped all that clean because he had something in the game, too. He didn't want his. He didn't want his. His what you call it, his. His hotel to have bad press and, you know, and affect tourism by saying that, you know, we didn't had a murder here. So not only did, of course, McCann have motivation to. To cover some up, but the hotel owner did, too. You know, they don't want to. They don't want to have violence and. And, And. And all that. That's.
Co-host or Guest
I'm telling you, that's gonna mess. That's gonna mess up. They, you know, they. Tourism.
Grandma Kathy
Yep. And see. And see, that's why you ain't even seen no, you know, in the mainstream. You ain't seen no real footage. Yeah, they held all that down. They didn't want no bad press coming to the thing. And by being over there, see if over here, for the most part, they would have got pressed for that footage,
Co-host or Guest
you know, but then, like, even. Because, you know, like, you know how them news articles could go when they be like, for the missing people, that she was last seen walking through this corridor, and then the video stops, right? Like, you don't got nothing. Like, you ain't got no video. Her going. That's a whole. You ain't got no video of her going to the pool, right? Let's see it. So that. That's all the way sketchy.
Grandma Kathy
All the way sketchy, bro. So, yeah, y', all, that's the update. It's a wrap. They. They not. They not gonna pursue no charges. Oh, boy, McCann is getting away with it, and that's that. So sad news to report, but that's what's going on. So the Ashley Janae just To be clear, the Ashley Janae case is over with closed. Tanzania authority says a rap. So it is what it is and maybe it should be a lesson learned just going forward. Anybody watching this or watch that case, if anything happened to anything, anybody, your loved ones take your ass onto the scene,
Co-host or Guest
spring into action.
Grandma Kathy
You got to spring. You gotta spring in the action. Like the way. Just like the way Damon Dash teeth flew out and sprung teeth is tumbling. Yeah, they were talking. The way they just tumbled out. You got to tumble onto the scene, man, like Damon Dash's teeth. You have to. You can't sit in there and just be chilling. You know, Damon Dash, he had drank that slippery ass orange juice and then, then, no, you can't. That orange juice ain't good for dentures.
Co-host or Guest
No, man, it up up the grip of the pop.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah, the grip, the grip, that's like oil, man. Man. So, yeah, sad, sad, sad. But it is what it is. Another thing before we get into Michael Jackson, because I'm gonna get all worked up the way they with my boy Mike go there. We're gonna give it two seconds because I do want to talk about or just mention that they saying Drake might have a big joker up his sleeve on. On Jay Z.
Co-host or Guest
And man, Drake beefing with everybody, man. First he with Sauce and then it didn't matter.
Grandma Kathy
They say Jake. Drake. Drake. They say Drake thinking about dropping that. That alleged sex tape that Beyonce had back in the day with Pimp C that, that everybody been talking about, man.
Co-host or Guest
I remember hearing about that.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. So if y' all don't know Pimp C was. What is it? What's his group? Yeah, the Underground Kings, ugk, Pimp C and Bum B. And Pimpsy was one of the biggest artists in Houston back in the day. You could say as far as Houston, he was the Jay Z of Houston back in the day. He was that big to Houston. So back then they say Beyonce. Him and Beyonce used to be messing around and it was well known that they had a tape together and they all from Houston. And then when Jay Z hooked up with Beyonce, Pimpsy ended up mysteriously dying and the story kind of went away and he actually died on Jay Z's birthday. So all this stuff is coincidence or what, but it is kind of creepy. And so that tape had been buried and people hadn't talked about it in a while. But yeah, people talking about it. It was big. It was a big story. Well, with the recent developments of Drake and Jay Z beefing and Drake needing a victory, he need a victory. Like coming off of the Kendrick Lamar, he. Kendrick Lamar handed Drake's ass to him on a platter and destroyed him. And so now with the streets are saying Drake is desperate for a victory, but he need a victory over a heavyweight. And Jay Z is definitely a heavyweight. So they're saying that Drake is. Has plenty of motivation and is pondering, dabbling with this Beyonce sex day. That would be crazy. What you think about that,
Co-host or Guest
man? I wonder, like, what, what would have like really provoked it though?
Grandma Kathy
What for Drake to do that. Yeah, well, what they saying is the beef and he trying to have a guaranteed victory.
Co-host or Guest
But I mean, but is it. I don't. I don't know. I mean, I can't. I ain't. But I. I ain't about to undermine nobody outlook on that, man. Hey, if he feel the need to go, go there.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah, I wouldn't go there. Yeah, I wouldn't go there because I mean, just out wrap them and do this and do that. That's kind of. But you know, to me that's like low.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah. Like, if you're gonna keep it like rapping, just keep it rapping. You ain't gotta be doing all that extra. Because then that. That's when situations, you feel me, start getting real sticky.
Grandma Kathy
People start catching pneumonia. Yeah, that's what I say. That's a hell of a. That's why I'm only bringing it up because that's a hell of a rumor story.
Co-host or Guest
And I know she probably like, damn, I catch a straight from this. Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
Just even being talked about. But it's so many people who would, you know, the. The Beyonce label, Jay Z. It's so many people that would go hard if something like that happened. I don't even know if Drake would want to even open that door.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's.
Co-host or Guest
I wonder like, if he. If he doing like putting out footage and stuff like that. I wonder like, what. What would somebody try to use to get the ups on him on Drake?
Grandma Kathy
Yeah, right. Yeah. Cause that's. At this point we both. We playing dirty po.
Co-host or Guest
I would wonder like, damn, like, what? Like, well, I mean, but why even. I don't even know, like, why even stoop to that?
Grandma Kathy
Right. Right.
Co-host or Guest
Like we talk. We talking about like, man, why you ain't got the stupid, stupid, like handle y' all business. Whatever y' all likes and dislikes is, man, iron them out. If it ain't when you come to the table, if you ain't able to, man, just. Just part ways.
Grandma Kathy
Cordially Right, right, right, right, right.
Co-host or Guest
I mean, you know, you mean. I mean, if you get disrespectful, you know, you. You catch a fade or something. But other than that, it come on now, all that extra and trying to get dig up dirt on people and all that, like, you. You could be. You can be using your time way more productively.
Grandma Kathy
Definitely.
Co-host or Guest
And I ain't even telling you what to do with your time. If it was me, I would. Yeah, I would try to figure out a way to use my time more productively.
Grandma Kathy
For sure, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. What they. What they in there? Let's see what the comments is saying. He punked himself when he filed the lawsuit. Sure did, Denise. He sure did. Gerald said, hey, let me. You know what? Hey, look, I gotta put. I gotta put. Gerald.
Co-host or Guest
Gerald seen the safe that J. Prince put it in?
Grandma Kathy
Yeah.
Co-host or Guest
He know the combination copy of the tape.
Grandma Kathy
Look, I tell y', all, Gerald don't. Ms. Tinko said drop that video. What else? What else? He said, Drake needs therapy. He's going down anyway. Pearl. What's up, Pearl? Pearl to Pearl. Pearl come in and say, good morning, you guys. Good morning, Pearl.
Co-host or Guest
Man, it's crazy. Been talking about them damn Diddy tapes. I'm like, man, I'm like, oh, yeah. I'm like, y' all see? They're like, yeah, you like y'.
Grandma Kathy
All.
Co-host or Guest
You seen them like, no, I ain't watch. I'm out. Y' all some nasty.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah, y' all been tuning in. Y' all been tuning in to the Micro Diddy. Micro Diddy said, man. So let me see. Go ahead, hit. Hit the donation link, y'.
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Grandma Kathy
What's going. Join. Join. Joining your. Oh, okay. I got the. I see the puff passers is puffing and passing. I see the puff passes are puffing and passing. Go ahead and puff and pass. It's Friday. You ain't got nothing to do. What's smoke? What? Smokey say you ain't got no job
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you ain't got to do.
Grandma Kathy
You ain't got to do. Puff, puff, pass with the flow show no filter. I see Elise and Tracy have already got started. Go ahead and tap that. Tap that donation so I can give me some puff puff pads. Buy me a coffee. Or you could just do the YouTube super chat. Support the show ASAP. ASAP. ASAP. Who gonna be the first one to donate today? Who gonna be the first one to donate today? Oh, at least got some shirts, too. I heard. At least said it was a problem with the shirts, but she got some shirts. So y' all check out at least see if she got a shirt for you. Check it out. Yeah, so let's go ahead and slide over to my mother, my dog. Thank you, Tracy, for the 4.99 Super Chat. 5$. Holla, everybody. Show Tracy some love for showing me some love right now in the comments.
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Man, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't had that combo, Tracy. The, the, the, the. The reefer and the coffee I ain't had. I ain't had that refund the coffee. I ain't, I ain't like, I ain't no coffee person. I'm not no caught like no coffee related drinks, like iced coffee. Nothing. None of that.
Grandma Kathy
Right, right, right.
Co-host or Guest
I ain't, I just ain't. It ain't. I ain't never really with. I don't even drink Red Bulls or no like that. Yeah, I drunk Red Bull one time and I crashed like I was sleep for like that was the. That was some good ass sleep. But I was asleep for like, it felt like 11, 12 hours. I'm like, what the. I don't even with that no more. Well, I only had it once, but I'm like, yeah, I don't, I ain't never been no coffee type. And they say it's like coffee good for you. Yeah, like just regular coffee, not all that other triple time mocha locker like and all that other chinos.
Grandma Kathy
So they messing with our boy, y', all, and it's getting on my nerves. Michael Jackson. Remember we were talking about that? Man, that documentary got the Internet pissed the hell off.
Co-host or Guest
I ain't watching that.
Grandma Kathy
Nah, I know some people.
Co-host or Guest
I know some people that did and they was just talking about like how to like the different interviews. I'm like, I'm like, man, no, I, I ain't watching that.
Grandma Kathy
Nah, nah. The eclipse is all over. Juice says try the juice with the smoke. Try to, try, try to juice with the smoke, huh? Coffee is actually good for your liver. Tinker says she tried. She had to turn that off. So they've been. I'm about to just expose the, the type of they've been doing in this documentary, which is foul, but they got to be exposed. And in order to expose it, we got to talk about it. First of all, they've been taking stories that didn't mean shit and trying to time the Michael Jackson. That's the first thing. So let me tell you about one of the stories. So one of the stories was, I believe it was a guy named Frank Tyson, I believe his name was Frank Tyson. He was supposedly being somebody that Michael befriended as a kid, and then he turned into, like, an assistant who lived, I believe, at Neverland Ranch. And so. Is this it right here? So he. He knew or. Or his former publicist, which. His name is Vincent. What is his name? Vincent? Amen. Uh, he said that when all the. The investigation was going on with Michael Jackson. Now this all alleged, but check this out. How the type of this documentary is doing. So Vincent, a man who was Michael Jackson's former publisher, said that when. When. When. When the investigation was going down, when Michael Jackson was being investigated for the child, which he was found innocent of, by the way.
Co-host or Guest
Not guilty.
Grandma Kathy
Not guilty. Vincent says that he record. He. He. Frank Tyson, who was the assistant, started emptying out stuff out of his place. He had his own little, I guess, little crib at. At in Neverland Ranch or whatever. Okay, so he was empty. Now he. He said he. He had gave the publicist a Nike bat or his stuff, and the publicist said he saw a Nike bag and video himself going through the. Michael bag. I mean, through the bag. He goes through the bag. Now, mind you, this is Frank Tyson's bag on his property inside of Neverland Ranch. I guess he had his own little home or guest house or some. He says he. He was going through it. They showing the video thing, and then. And then he says he found a magazine that was like a dirty magazine where they. They sold child corn. So he said when he found it, he said he called Frank Tyson immediately or. Or. Or confronted him about it. Whether he called him or in person, he just said he confronted him about it and said, what's up with this child corn stuff? Or whatever. So he says Frank Tyson tells him that's just a phase that me and Michael Jackson went through. Now they take that. Now this is his belongings in his place, and. And all he got to do is say, me and Michael Jack. And now you got this public on the document. How the hell do that work?
Co-host or Guest
Y' all gonna take that around with it stuff?
Grandma Kathy
It's Frank Tyson stuff.
Co-host or Guest
Ain't got to do with Mike.
Grandma Kathy
Ain't got to do with Mike. It's literally you, like, finding something on somebody else. And they just say, yeah, me and Mike was doing. And then not now. That go to the whole documentary. And how does that apply? This dude, if this dude is a pervert, for one, of course he gonna try to say something and bring another big name into it. So you don't say nothing. You know, I mean, Nothing like, oh, this something me and Michael do. I mean, you know, and then that's not the only one. But there's plenty of interviews like that where, like, even if you watch. And I saw this. This is just a clip. I saw. I saw this clip on Instagram, but it just shows you how much of a hit piece this is. Like, how are you gonna tie this to Mike? This. This is his stuff, his belongings he packed away. And just. Cause he said. And if that's the case, why he didn't bring it where? Why wasn't in the evidence. Why are you holding on to it? If it's an investigation going on and you found X, Y and Z, you mean to tell me you didn't tell the authorities? Didn't tell the authorities. It don't make no damn sense.
Co-host or Guest
None at all.
Grandma Kathy
It don't make no sense. And they also did things in this documentary, okay, where they had. Manipulate took excerpts out of an interview just to make it look. Look worse on Mike instead of just playing the full interview in its entirety or playing the parts like.
Co-host or Guest
I mean, I know that I knew they were gonna do like that. That ain't. This ain't nothing but a slander piece. And then that's just sad.
Grandma Kathy
Appropriate for a man. Check this out. To be doing that. So here's the example.
Interviewee or Guest
So sorry for them because that's judging someone who wants to really help.
Grandma Kathy
Now this one right here, I'm gonna start it over. This is the. The documentary and this is the real interview. And they talking about sharing the bed. Watch the part they leave out. Appropriate for a man, a grown man to be doing that. How do you respond to that?
Interviewee or Guest
I feel sorry for them because. Because that's judging someone who wants to really help people. Why can't you share your bed? The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone you know. Yeah, of course. She use. Every single night that you go into, you sleep and you're sharing with another. See, you can have my bed if you want sleep in it. I'll sleep on the floor. You can.
Grandma Kathy
Oh, yeah. No, this. Yeah, this. My bad. This was the document on the floor.
Interviewee or Guest
I said, no, you sleep in the bed, I'll sleep on the floor.
Grandma Kathy
Haven't you got a spare room or a spare house here where he could have stayed?
Interviewee or Guest
Yeah, but no. Yes, we have guest units. But whenever kids come here, they always want to stay with me. They never want to stay in the guest. And I have never invited them in my room. They always just want to stay with. They Say, can I stay with you tonight? I go, if it's okay with your parents. Yes, you can.
Co-host or Guest
Now come on now. So how the you leave that whole entire piece out of that? Yo, y' all just trying to paint him in the bad light and right? Bad light to paint him in, right?
Grandma Kathy
Are you talking about the sleeping bed? And if you want to talk about that part. Okay, cool. But. But talk about everything. Leave out the fact that he asked the parents, he. He slept on the floor and all of that. You completely leave that out. Which, which is right there in the same interview. You literally are trying to paint a. Of a man who has been found innocent.
Co-host or Guest
That's crazy.
Grandma Kathy
That's a perfect example right there. Man. This.
Co-host or Guest
This is terrible.
Grandma Kathy
So now you see why people are going crazy online, man. There's a lot of people boycott Netflix, a lot of people canceling it. It's not doing well. Only place is doing well that is overseas. And see overseas, they don't know no better. But. But this, yeah, they feeding into it this. They say it's number one in the UK even though it ain't doing well like other places. But go ahead, see Tuck, what's your
Co-host or Guest
thoughts on that, man? That's it. That is very distasteful like that. That is just terrible, man. I don't know why they just keep trying to turn the demand gone like long gone. Like why. Why y' all keep trying to tarnish this man legacy.
Grandma Kathy
Let's see what they talking about in the comments.
Co-host or Guest
Are they probably doing. They mad because you know his music back charting again.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah.
Co-host or Guest
And like like number one, like globally and all that. All that type. So they probably mad about that. They damn so mad about the movie and that it's a part two coming.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Co-host or Guest
I think, I think they probably gonna if. If they can't fit everything in part two, that might end up being a three part like movie.
Grandma Kathy
Right Even at least said his bedroom is two stories. It just like I said they. They doing whatever they can to shit on Michael Jackson's name and they've been doing it forever. And it's really get to the point where I'm just glad that the public is finally tired of this. Yeah, public is like. It's like a few, you know, you got those few people feeding into it but they, they very few. And for the most part, 90 of the world is like leave Mike alone. And I can't wait for this. This to die out. This little. This little verdict. Verdict. Whatever the it's called. Matter of fact, let me the guy who was saying that stuff, let me just put him on blast too. Just show is it this guy? Hold on, let me see.
Interviewee or Guest
And I'm driving home and I felt, here it is.
Grandma Kathy
I know Michael, this the guy who was supposed to be a publicist.
Interviewee or Guest
And I trusted Frank. But they were raiding other Jackson associates houses and properties. Frank cleaned out his house of anything that came from the Neverland Ranch. And he hands me a Nike bag. I took the bag and I'm driving home and I felt something was a little suspicious. And I said, let me take a look in this bag. I start taking videos now.
Grandma Kathy
He driving home and just got a
Co-host or Guest
bag and said, let's start taking videos.
Grandma Kathy
Suspicious. Come on. And then starts taking the video while you drive to document this.
Interviewee or Guest
I open the bag, I start looking, and I see a magazine. Start flipping through it. And there was a Sharpie circles around the video ordering section. Someone's wanted these videos circled the ones they want. These videos, which are children that are naked, some with family, some just naked children. I, I, I confronted Frank. I said, you know, Frank, what is this? This magazine? I said, because, you know, the circles are on video. Naked children. He says, that's just a phase that Michael and I went through. You know, he circled the videos that he wanted. I ordered them. And it was a phase that we went through it, watched them together, and I heard that I was in disposition. I was very upset. My inclination was after finding this and sitting there thinking about it was that Frank is so close to Michael that he's covering up for him. That was a defining moment for me. That was the moment that hit me so hard where I realized that there's something going on here.
Grandma Kathy
So it never crossed your mind that Frank was lying? That's how you know is that he being there as a choice. Huh?
Co-host or Guest
That's the dumbest I didn't heard, man. Like, come on now. Y' all really reaching and really going out. Y' all waited to really defamate this man character, man. That that is trash.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. You a guy just say you don't have no proof that it's Michaels and this dude's belongings and he trying to get rid of. And and he says that. And you immediately just take it as the gospel and say, yeah, it was at that point when I realized it. Just because somebody said that, like, you had no, come on, man. He could have said it was you and him that did it. Like, he if you just throwing names out there and that just show you, man. People are just will say anything.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah. And A lot of times they say anything but the right thing.
Grandma Kathy
Crazy. Tracy said, I say, Peewee Herman is full of sparkle colors. What we got on there? No more money to the Jackson family. Diane Damone isn't talented enough to make it as a reporter. Be real. All she has done is inside was Inside Edition. Tracy said, oh, my God, look at that nasty pedal. And then somebody. She said, why is this nasty ass stealing from mj? Yeah, they. They definitely, man. Need to leave my boy alone. People on social media are going crazy.
Interviewee or Guest
Give me that indication that he's interested. It's a moment that accusations are not true.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. What else we got on. Been going on T Talk, man?
Co-host or Guest
Just even speaking on that type. I think. I think they should do a Janet Jackson movie. Yeah, I think that. I think that.
Grandma Kathy
I think it'll do. Go crazy.
Co-host or Guest
I think that'd be dope. Yeah. People really get to see how dope. Oh, like, especially on the art. On the artist side, how dope of an artist she is. For real.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. Yeah.
Co-host or Guest
And then just, like, see more or more of her.
Grandma Kathy
Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. They definitely.
Co-host or Guest
Especially with her not even being in the Michael. Like, I understand that. You know, she had her own. I'll say. But that was weird. I'm just not like. Like not having Janet in that.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. To do the Jackson story without Janet is like, come on. Now I get how the war look. Did I. Did I see something about the war?
Co-host or Guest
I'm trying. I didn't let me see or gas anybody.
Grandma Kathy
You know, people. People praying that the gas.
Co-host or Guest
They can go down for Father's Day. I said the gas can go down for Father's Day.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah, That would be good, wouldn't it?
Co-host or Guest
Hell, yeah. I ain't seeing nothing. Nothing else about the war.
Grandma Kathy
Okay. So we still.
Co-host or Guest
Miles said you gotta move on. Loving you is easy. Leaving you is the hard part.
Grandma Kathy
You said what?
Co-host or Guest
He said, loving you is easy. Leaving you is the hard part.
Grandma Kathy
Who said that?
Co-host or Guest
Miles Garrett.
Grandma Kathy
For real? Yeah. Yeah, man, we. We sad about that one.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah, man. Like I said, man, he didn't. He didn't did enough for us, man. Go ahead and get you a ring, my boy. You can come back after you get the ring, like. And then you. You. You didn't got your. You. You didn't got what you was looking for. You can come back and finish it out. We're working. Welcome. You open arms.
Grandma Kathy
Right, right, right, right, right, right. The squad they got. I can see him going there and getting one quick, man.
Co-host or Guest
Man, see, I know that's why Jerry revers. Either. I go from about the. I go from being a step away from winning one to the. To rebuild situation,
Grandma Kathy
right?
Co-host or Guest
Man, who you. Who you got tonight?
Grandma Kathy
You got the Spurs, I got the spurs tonight. Sorry, Denise. I got the spurs tonight. Wimby. Wimby, Wimby. You want me, your mama?
Co-host or Guest
Yeah, for sure.
Grandma Kathy
I call them Wendy, your mom?
Co-host or Guest
No, I'm there.
Grandma Kathy
We'll be where your mama?
Co-host or Guest
Oh, I want to see.
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Yeah, it'd be.
Co-host or Guest
It'd be crazy if they did do it. If they, if they did. If they like pulled out the series. I told everybody it was gonna be a good ass series, though.
Grandma Kathy
Who y' all got in the comments, man? Y' all got Wimby. Where your mama in the spurs tonight? Oh, y' all got Munching Brunt. Munchkin Brunson. Who, who, who, who? Hey, look, if Brunson pulled this off and they do win though, man, I said, like, he gotta be top five in the league.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah. Oh, and then no and then like as far as Knicks players, man, y' all or the fans, y' all better. Y' all better put that man statue in them. That'll be the first chips in 73.
Grandma Kathy
And he might be the coldest six two that have been around.
Co-host or Guest
No, for sure. No, he, he definitely get it done. Because he definitely get it done.
Grandma Kathy
Normally your best player on your team can't be 62 or be that short, you know, for a championship team. You know what I'm saying? Like, remember, even Al Iverson couldn't win it. You see, Dame Lillard couldn't.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
Steph, they don't. I think he a little taller. So they don't really consider stuff.
Co-host or Guest
Stuff like 6, 3, 6 or 6,
Grandma Kathy
4, something like 6, 3, 6, 4, 62 and under. That's like Isaiah Thomas.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
You know what I'm saying? Like back, you know, Isaiah Thomas was that height, maybe a little bit even shorter than Brunson, but you know, in that height and he won championships. This, this team almost remind me of the Detroit Pistons in a way. Just they are as dirty, you know, they ain't. They play cleaner.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah, but they, they put.
Grandma Kathy
Huh.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah, they put you on your ass. They ain't playing.
Grandma Kathy
They will put you on your ass. Especially if you considering what they get away with now. Like, it's. You can't do all that Detroit was doing. So they really, the Knicks are really like the new Detroit Pistons, the new bad boys, because they got the same type of squad. They got a nice like, squad where everybody got Game.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
Led by a 62 guard who. Who held on wheels. I mean, like I said, that's Isaiah Thomas. Yeah.
Co-host or Guest
No, for sure.
Grandma Kathy
Like, yeah, man. So, hey. Yeah. Definitely ain't nobody hating on him, you know. Cause I really just care about my calves.
Interviewee or Guest
For real.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah.
Co-host or Guest
I ain't got no dog in the fight.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. I ain't gonna be heartbroken if the Knicks win. Whoever win, I'm gonna feel the same way. I'm just rooting for Wemby because outside of my team, I've been kind of rooting for Wemby, period. Like, just. He the new face. I like the way. I like the passion when he played with. That's what I really like. I like that he really care. He really go hard. You know what I mean? We miss.
Co-host or Guest
No, for sure.
Grandma Kathy
That's what we've been missing, man. And it's really changing now. Cause what happened was, I think LeBron, I love him, but I think he made it a little too friendly or something. Because he was the best player. Yeah. Like, as far as rivalries. Yeah. Because look by him.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
I can see.
Co-host or Guest
I can see what you do say that. Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
Cause you gotta think about it when, like, Kobe or Jordan or whoever was the best. They was like. I wouldn't say dirty, but kind of dirty.
Co-host or Guest
They ain't with you till the game was over with.
Grandma Kathy
Exactly.
Co-host or Guest
Whereas they really with you.
Grandma Kathy
LeBron, the only person that I know on that level who just been kind of regular. You know what I'm saying? I ain't saying nothing wrong with it, but when you the leader of the
Co-host or Guest
league, they have certain type of intensity.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. So they. So they gonna follow your lead. You know what I'm saying? So LeBron wasn't. LeBron played hard, and LeBron wanted to win every game, but he didn't dog you and cuss you out and. And do like them. We'll be like that. We'll be throwing elbows. We'd be talking soccer.
Co-host or Guest
Blur.
Grandma Kathy
Yeah. When Shay got that award, Winby flat out came out and said that him getting that MVP award motivated me to put 40 on their ass.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
See, LeBron would have never said that. LeBron would have gave more than politically correct answer. Like. Well, it was just.
Co-host or Guest
It was.
Grandma Kathy
I was. It was good to see, you know, him get his accomplishment or something. Just cool.
Co-host or Guest
Yeah.
Grandma Kathy
LeBron never fed into that. So, like I said, I ain't really down in LeBron for that. I'm just saying it's a. It's a difference. But now with Wimby and Shay sga in this new era, these people ain't. Ain't nobody trying to be cool like they used to think about it. They going at it like, even.
Co-host or Guest
Even like. Like Dylan Brooks.
Grandma Kathy
Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah. Yeah. It's a new. It's definitely a new era. And that's why the ratings is up. Yeah, People care when you care. People care about our show because they know me and C. Tuck really give a about what we talking about and who we standing up for. That's why people tune in and like it.
Co-host or Guest
Exactly.
Grandma Kathy
Didn't think we gave a. Nobody would tune in. You know what I'm saying? So just in general, people care when you care. And so now that all these teams is really fighting for it and caring and really playing, it's giving us a better game to watch and more people are interested. So, like, even right now, the Knicks is whooping ass. Everybody know when we want it. We know both these teams want it. We tuning in. Yeah, we tuning in. And that's what I'm. I'm glad the NBA is back to getting back to that because that's why the ratings was down, man. We didn't, as fans, didn't feel like a lot of players cared a lot, and so we didn't tune in. So put in the comments, y', all, before we get out of here. Who y' all got tonight? Let's see who they going with. We spurs or knicks? 53 years is a long time, D. You know how we felt when we got our championships. I already know. Grandma. Grandma Kathy says 7 foot 5 should be illegal. On that note, look. Swine. Go ahead, Grandma Kathy.
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Host: Grandma Kathy (as "Flo")
Air Date: June 5, 2026
This episode dives deep into two hot-button topics dominating headlines and social media: the closure of the Ashley Janae case—an influencer’s controversial death ruled a suicide in Tanzania—and the intensifying backlash against Netflix’s new Michael Jackson documentary, "The Verdict". The hosts maintain their signature unfiltered, passionate tone while also touching on trending rumors in hip-hop (notably, Drake and Jay-Z), community updates, and current NBA playoffs.
[02:29] – [24:06]
Recap of the Case:
Host's Analysis & Frustrations:
Arguments for Foul Play & Institutional Cover-up
Call to Action for Listeners:
[34:01] – [48:30]
Overview of the Documentary:
Critical Breakdown of Documentary’s Methods:
Exposé of Manipulative Editing:
Audience Reaction & Community Support:
[24:06] – [29:42]
Context of the Rumor:
Ethical Debate:
Impact on the Culture:
[17:03], [52:05], [54:38], [55:20]
Playoff Match-Ups Debate:
Broader NBA Commentary:
On official narratives and justice:
On activism in tragedy:
On documentary bias:
On cultural frustration:
On generational change in the NBA:
For more, tune in to The Flo Show, No Filter—live, interactive, and always direct.