Flow (4:26)

Flow.

Mark Curry (4:27)

Flow knows.

Flow (4:28)

Oh, yeah. Flow knows. Curry, let's cook. It's flowing. Curry, that means it's time to cook, man.

Mark Curry (4:33)

It's time to do it. Let's. Let's. Let's get it. Let's get it. Let's get a quick session in.

Flow (4:37)

Yeah, let's get a quick session in. So, y', all, we doing a Q A. I told y', all. I got the link attached to here, the Dancing with the Devil link for Curry's book with all the info in it. Give them a little back background of the book, Curry, and then we'll see what. What What. What they gotta. What questions and you know what questions they got.

Mark Curry (4:59)

All right, right off. Who. For those who want the autograph copy of the book, too, you can send me a message if you follow me, too. I'll follow you back. Send me a message. You send me if you. You can have Apple pay as a cash app, Venmo, whatever it is, I can get you a book, an autograph copy right there, too, on the. On the link. That's to the. To the audiobook, and it's on there, too. So the link is in your thing, in your chat. All right, but in the book. I wrote the book. And I started writing the book in, like, 1990, something like 98, 98, 2000. And then I just. It took me a minute to put the book together, but it was about. Puff really didn't know that when. When he first met me, how he really knew me. He thought I was just an artist on his label. But I was somebody that knew him from the club. Like, I knew him before, back when in the Platinum House when Suge Knight friend got killed at the club. I was standing right there because I used to work the door. I just don't think that he knew it. So the whole time that when I was working with Bad Boy, I already. Already had a cold story. I already knew his whole story. I knew Kim Porter before he. He. He. Before he even was dating her like that. I knew it when she dated Dallas Austin because Dallas went to school with me. Okay, but let me give you an update. Okay, where's the link? I want one. DM me if you want the autograph copy.

Flow (6:32)

The link is attached to the tap show button.

Mark Curry (6:36)

That's the. That's the audiobook.

Flow (6:38)

Okay, here we go.

Mark Curry (6:40)

Boom.

Flow (6:41)

You should be able to see the link. Let me know if y' all can see the link. Now. I had to put. Show the link I was waiting for Mark.

Mark Curry (6:46)

It's all in my screen.

Flow (6:48)

You see it?

Mark Curry (6:49)

I see it, but I don't know how to get it off my nuts. All on my nose and stuff. I see open link, but I'm gonna let it go.

Flow (6:56)

Okay, so y'. All. That's the link. Tap the link and support the book. But we about to talk about. I'm telling y'. All. Y' all know me. I give you all the good info. I. I don't even play around with clickbait and bullshit. Get this book. It's a lot of stuff in this book that ain't nobody talking about. Like, for real. Like, he was breaking stuff down to me. And you know how much I know what's going on. I ain't know half the. He was saying. And it was right in the book.

Mark Curry (7:21)

And you did not. Not like, like it. Yeah, but let me. Let me give y' all an update on everything. The first book I wrote in 2000, I released it in 2009. And then 2009, everything that I said in that book came true in 2025. It took me almost 20 years with this book before it finally made it to this Netflix series.

Flow (7:46)

Hold on. Real Mark. They say. They say page not available when they click the link.

Mark Curry (7:50)

Man, this DM me. And then I said, everybody who sent me a message, I'll get them a book. Tell everybody.

Flow (7:57)

Everybody send Mark Curry a message.

Mark Curry (8:01)

And then when I get off of this live, I'm gonna go back and respond to everybody's message, and I'm gonna make sure we got it right.

Flow (8:09)

Everybody on the live. And I'm gonna keep at. You can just do your thing, Mark, but I'm gonna keep announcing it as more people coming in. All right, everybody just send. Don't worry about the link. Send Mark Curry a direct message, and he gonna respond the link off. Okay. Yeah, we take the link off and.

Mark Curry (8:25)

Take the link off.

Flow (8:26)

Yeah, let's take the link.

Mark Curry (8:27)

Yeah, just message me and we'll take it. All right, so look, so in 2025, everything came true. 2024, and when Puff got arrested, everything that I wrote about in the book, it happened again. So even having a juror that was giving him the Google eyes that happened in his first case, everything that happened, and I wrote about it in the book, like the Google eyes with the juror and all of this, he did that then. Then he had the one he did on this last case that he was on. But I kind of. It was just something that I knew. But like, in the book, I talk about things that.

Flow (9:06)

That.

Mark Curry (9:06)

That. That they just didn't touch on. Like, there's some things in this book, I mean, that they said that. I don't know why it didn't raise suspicion to a lot of people. Like when Cassie said that her and Kim Porter didn't get along, and. And the. The feelings was mutual. Kim didn't like Cassie. Cassie didn't like Kim. And then Cassie. Also, one of the things she said during that trial was when she told that sex worker that she'll unalive him and then her boyfriend dig him up and unalive him again. Something like that. And I was like, damn, you know, if he's that kind of violent person. It kind of lets me understand a little bit more about, like, what could have happened. Seem like it's a love triangle. So in the book, one of the chapters I got is called Love Triangle, which it talks about Misa dating Eric Simon before she got with Long island, or they was. They was fooling around. And Puffy was dating. He started messing around with Kim. Kim was working at Uptown. You know, she was the receptionist at Uptown. And then she had her first boyfriend was, I think, Charles Soup. Then she got Al B. Shaw. Then she was with Dallas. Dallas. Well, she was with Dallas all the way through high school, ever since she was in. In high school. So then I'll be sure. And then after that, I remember one time I'll be sure in Dallas had a fight. It's funny. In Columbus, in front of Kim Porter's house. You know what I'm saying? Both of them knocked each other out. You know what I'm saying? We pull up, it's Christopher Williams in the car.

Flow (10:43)

Well.

Mark Curry (10:44)

Well, Christopher Williams and I'll be sure had. They was at Kim Porter's house, and they had Dallas trapped in the house. So he called us. We had to go down because, you know, Dallas went to high school with me.

Flow (10:57)

Okay, Austin.

Mark Curry (10:58)

Y' all talking about Dallas Austin. So we talk about love triangle, which is Sarah, the girl from Minnesota. I talk about when she came from Minnesota. So you can understand. We was from. You know, when we was. It was a Minnesota thing. Sarah came from Minnesota. That's Puffy's baby mother. That's. That's Tupac's. That was Tupac's girlfriend.

Flow (11:20)

Yeah.

Mark Curry (11:21)

Then Puffy took Sarah from Tupac. Well, I wouldn't say took it, but it just seemed like he always fell in love with somebody else's girl. He wasn't never creative enough to have his own kind of woman.

Flow (11:36)

And I know guys like that. Some guys, they just get off on fooling with other men's women. It's almost like they jealous of the man or they wanted man, and I don't like it.

Mark Curry (11:49)

The first chapter on is the birth. That. That's a chapter where I talk about, like, I don't know if y' all ever heard of a. A dude named Daryl Ferguson who was. Asap. Asap. Asap. Ferg's father, Darryl Ferguson, Right? Dallas Ferguson was the one that. That made the Bad boy logo.

Flow (12:10)

Okay.

Mark Curry (12:11)

And he designed that. Daryl Ferguson. He died. Okay. We talk about a lady named Francesca Spiro who handed all of the business matters on the production Side, she died. So we talk about the birth, and we talk about the beginning of that bad boy baby that everybody thought was them. Like, we always thought that that logo was us. You know, A lot of us did. So I started. I got a chapter there called the Birth, which is. Starts the whole bad boy thing. Okay, I got Drop Me. I got a chapter called Drop Me, which is about. You remember when they said it's. It's like. And, yo, all of these. I got the audiobook with the visuals on my Instagram page, too. A couple of them. I'm doing the chapter at a time. I got three chapters on the Instagram right now. Not the whole chapter, but I put, like, a little movie. Little movie thing and Soundscore, you know, to it. So y' all check that out. I'll make sure I post it on here, too. I' ma send that to y' all once.

Flow (13:10)

Y'.

Mark Curry (13:10)

All. Whoever DMS me for a book, I'm gonna send y' all those. Those. Those. Those things, too. But it was Drop Me, which was, like. About. Like going to this court case and not getting what we. This turned into sex scandals. It wasn't what we was looking for. We was kind of looking for what happened to what the bodies at. We want to hear some real good stuff. Like, I don't want it. I didn't really care nothing about, you know, him and his sexual escapades and his sexual preferences and all that I did. That wasn't really nothing. But they turned the whole court case into that. So I flipped that to let, you know the more interesting things that we was really interested in that we. We really didn't hear anything about, which, to me, shows that some things were swept up under a rug. Because it's a lot of things in here that, like, if Puffy would have really got tried for and. And they took him to court for everything, they would have pulled the president in, and that would have been making a mockery of the United States president or the, you know, the system. So I believe they were like, before we let you make a mockery of us, of us, especially in front of other countries, we're just not going to bring this stuff up. So a lot of the stuff that we really wanted to hear, they did not bring it up. That's in Drop Me.

Flow (14:25)

Okay?

Mark Curry (14:26)

Then we got the woman between them. And this talks about every woman that Puff ever had in between him and somebody else.

Flow (14:34)

Okay? Him and Suge had some. Some of the same women, right?

Mark Curry (14:38)

Him and Sug, if you remember, when. When. When Puff in the beginning of the book, after Suge's friend Jake got killed, you would think Puff. Sug. Would have flew back to Los Angeles. And now Suge flew to New York. Suge flew to New York and picked up Misa and Justin, and they had a picture of them, and he was on the red carpet and all of that, sitting down. Justin right there. Yep. So that. That right there. You know, he flew on over there with that. Puff went to New York. This. A lot of those kind of things. That one is in. I got another chapter called Mark for Death, which is like. Is you're marked for death. Everybody who was marked for death.

Flow (15:28)

Connie said, where the book. Connie send Mark Curry a direct message through Facebook and he gonna. He gonna respond to everybody who sent him a direct message and get y' all the book personally.

Mark Curry (15:39)

Yeah. And I'm gonna send you some audio. I'm gonna send you another audio too. For who you get the physical book. I'm gonna give you an audio. And then so we got another joint on there called Living Legends. They talk about Craig Mack and Black Rob for a lot of y' all. Who. Who don't know. When Black Rob died, he died. He was holding my hand. He died. And. And that was like a. Something that really touched me. But I wrote the story about that, trying to get him to the hospital, how he died in the hospital, how the doctors told me that they couldn't bring him back. All of that kind of stuff. Just sharing the stage with him. Craig Mack dying of aids, breaking down the time when they said Craig Mack had AIDS for at least 10, 11 years. So when we break down, where was he 10, 11 years ago? That's when he was back around Bad Boy. And he was frustrated when he was talking about he wanted to. To do something to Puff. And Puff never. When you threaten Puff like that, Puff plays a little serious, but he's not going to do anything himself. He has his. His security. He has a lot of. A lot of security. So if you threaten Puff like that, Puff is not going to do much. But Puff knows how to do something to you, and that's how he's always been. Very sneaky individual. But we got.

Flow (16:54)

How did you manage to not get up by Puff or just like, jumped or just, you know, a lot of the little shit he used to do. How would you. I know people want to know, how was you able to come out of this?

Mark Curry (17:07)

Because it was really like back in the times. Back in the. In those days, I was a part of a circle of friends that they was from California. And as I get older, I don't like to say I was a part of a gang or nothing like that, because I'm. I'm old and I don't. I don't like to put that energy out there, but I was kind of like a part of a circle or something like that. Okay. And so he couldn't play me because if you do that, then it's like, we soldiers out here. Like, we not. We're not gonna stand for that. Wow. You can do that to those over there. You're not gonna do that here. So he never. He never really tried me. He used to ask me all the time that I still want to fight. And I would honestly tell him yes. He'd be like, mark Curry, you still want to fight? I'd be like, you know, I do, because, you know, that's just the way my energy was towards him. So that's. Every time I see him, if he joke on me, I joke on him. He can't laugh at me in front of his employees. And they just be laughing like, oh, Mark, he did this. I'd be like, but he's standing in front of the window with some see through shorts and some dead. I'm talking. He got on. He got on punk panties, reefs, nut huggers.

Flow (18:16)

I'm like.

Mark Curry (18:16)

And I sit there and say that about him in his office. Then they laugh. He get mad. You get mad. So I used to do stuff to him like that all the time. I used to. I used to. I used to ask puff to borrow $10 just to. With him, just so I could be like, I want you to know that sometimes $10 is something that you need. Like, just because you. You don't need $10 don't mean you ain't never gonna need $10, you know? And at the rate things is going right now, I'm sure he's learning what money means, what it takes to. To lose money. He's learning what he. What he has to do to conserve. That's why, you know, they. They. He cut back on the allowances recently, you know. Now let me tell y' all this. The court cases and things that he's going through, by the time he gets done, he's not gonna have the. He don't even have the money to go against Netflix. Netflix has so much money, they wish he would try to come after them with lawyers because they're going to drown out, drain the rest of his money out. And then now, when they come up in there and say, Now, Mr. Puffy, we got a case going on here with Keefe D. He said, you did this. Now we're gonna give you one chance to get out of his cause. You better tell us everything you know. He gonna be in there singing like 112. Now he gonna be doing R B because he ain't gonna have no room to lie. So I think the whole time where they got him sitting down was just something that they did to. To make sure he's sitting and to make sure that they getting that some of that money. Because all of this stuff is about money, you know what I'm saying? And money they want from him and money he never shared with nobody else. Your story, should I say your testimony, you lived and learned. Yeah, I lived it. I got one Another chapter, it's called Blackballed the New. This is the new book, Blackballed it. Just talk about being blackballed. After I did Wendy Williams Coming Home to Atlanta. No, no. None of the radio stations from V103, none of them would. Wanted me to come into this. Like, I was just. I was. I was just. People stopped talking to me and everything because he had so much money he was spending on Ciroc that they was like, we don't even want to come nowhere near you because he spends X amount of dollars with us a year. So they wouldn't. They didn't want to get close to none of the stuff I was doing. So we talk about blackball.

Flow (20:44)

They talk about when you got black ball. So. So none of the. None of the. None of the. None of the radio stations in Atlanta will mess with you or none of the radio stations, period.

Mark Curry (20:54)

Nah, radio stations would mess with me, but Atlanta wouldn't like. And because he has such an influence here. And plus a lot of people, like, I went and did Wendy Williams in New York. I did Ed Love and Free in New York. And they were like, man, even. Even in New York, people didn't like Puff. They was like, don't even worry about if you come in here, if he got enough power to do this or do that, because don't nobody in New York really like him. So it's a lot of people in the industry that just didn't like Puff. You know what I'm saying? So that was Blackball. And then I got another joint called Super Freak. So Super Freak is really about the sex parties and all of that, but it was in the studios and. And the Super Freak thing was, you know, all of the freakos was in the studios, and it'd be with like, all right, let me give y' all 1, 2, 2. Tupac was being managed, let's say Haitian Jack, I believe Haitian Jack also was trying to manage a Madonna. But Madonna used to be in the studio. She was like a super freak. Like, they. You be Madonna, go to the studio. Everybody going to the studio, you could. Everybody could go in there and be with Madonna. And Tupac was. He was going to expose what he was already doing. He was exposing Madonna and Jack's relationship. Okay, Madonna fired Jack. Madonna fire Jack. Because she was like, I can't be known or I can't be seen going, running around town with somebody who. That. That kind of a gangster, okay? And that made him real upset with Tupac. So we got a super freak. It just talks about, you know, the. The freak didn't know this. The freaky things the stripper poles in the club. I mean, in the studios with the girls was coming to the. It's like it was females that would come to the studio, man, that they look like really normal girls, but they really had a drug choice that was really heavy. Like, some of them, you. You. If you had marijuana, it wasn't enough. They want cocaine, they want ecstasy, they want. They want all of the hard, big boy drugs. And those was just how. How it was. So it wasn't like, you know, they came in there and you had to force it on, and they came in there looking for they. Even when you go to the club, you go to the regular club today, and it's a lot of normal people in there, but you can you imagine how many women are in there just to. To meet a guy for the night and go trick off? Yeah, they in the club, they dress like regular people. It's not like. So the Freaks wasn't really, you know, the Freaks was almost everybody. Anybody could be one of them. You know what I'm saying? It just depends on what your limits were. So we talk about super free. I got the joint in there called the House that Tommy built, which is talking about him buying Tommy Mottola's house. Tommy Mottola built this house for 44 million. I think he bought it for like 20 something million. But at the time he was doing the record on, he was executive producing JLo and JLo was signed to Tommy. And I believe he had owed Tommy some money for what happened. You know, all of that club New York stuff happened, and they had already invested so much money in her, he had to pay her back. So the only way, you know, a lot of times people pay money back through like, record, you know, get. Sign the artists. Sign the artist. I signed them to the label. I'll get you the budget, but I'm never gonna put your artist out. I'm just gonna use the Arista's money to give you that. And we ain't never putting that artist out. A lot of artists was like that. So there's a lot of artists that was on Bad Boy that nobody ever even got a chance to know about.

Flow (24:41)

Damn. The, the link. I just tested it. I pinned the link in the pin comment. You click that link, you can, you can, you can purchase the book or you can also DM Mark Curry. But I, I, I just tested that link, y', all, so it worked.

Mark Curry (24:55)

DM me. DM me. If you want the autograph copy. That's the audiobook there, too. And I got another audio book version that I'm be updating soon.

Flow (25:05)

And somebody link. Somebody in the chat, try to pin link and make sure it's working. But I just tested it. It's working. So somebody click the link. The pin link. That's the link to the book. Click it and then let me know.

Mark Curry (25:19)

If it worked and DM me. Let's go. I'm looking for y'. All. I need y'. All. I got another joint called Puff Power.

Flow (25:26)

Yeah. She said, is these chapters in the book. These we always.

Mark Curry (25:29)

The new book. This is the new book. I'm giving you the update.

Flow (25:32)

Yeah, he gives the update. So click the link in the book and you'll get the backstories to everything. Only thing we talking about right now in this live is what's in this book, in this link, or something to do with it.

Mark Curry (25:42)

Yes. All right. We got Puff Power in the liquor. That talks about when he went up against that liquor company, which really started it. He, he, he said that. That he wanted to charge. Take them to court and say that they did discriminated against him. And I was like, wow. Francesca Spiro, before she died, she sued Puff because Puff fired her and said that she was too old. And, and he. He wanted to hire somebody younger. So she sued Puff for a discrimination. And that was. And then shortly after Francesca died. Right.

Flow (26:18)

Shortly after she died, Francesca died from.

Mark Curry (26:22)

It was an illness. I think it has something to do. It was. It was like a weird illness. I think it was a hip surgery or something. I. You know, it was in the book. You got to get the book. And it was a. It's a lot of things that I hate to say about, you know, like, her, like some people, a lot of A lot of it may have been like drug addiction because she was kind of addicted to the. To the medicine that they was giving her from the surgery, how she died. It's just mysterious. You know, everybody who had held a position, a high position at. In Bad Boy, except for probably Kurt Burroughs. Kurt Burroughs was killed in a. In a. In a not physical way. He was killed. He. Puffy really assassinated Kurt's character and he left him there, like, to. To live with. Kirk was living, like, if you can imagine, that's a. A rough life to be homeless. And you. You started. You own 25 and started bad Boy and you homeless.

Flow (27:26)

Yeah, the biggest. Especially at that time, the biggest label out. Like, you talking about this when they was hot, right?

Mark Curry (27:32)

Yeah, yeah. When? Back as soon as it was. Because when Puffy got fired from Uptown, when he got fired from Uptown, Kurt was at Uptown too. And Andre told Kirk that he had a choice. Either he can go work with Puff or he could stay at Uptown. And because he told Puff that, he fired him because he said it can only be one king under castle. It can't be two kings under. In under Castle. So he fired Puff, told him he can go do better, whatever. Puff went, and him and Kurt Burroughs went and started Bad Boy, and they started with Biggie. They also gave him Biggie because they didn't even believe in Biggie. Uptown, they was like, we. They didn't believe, so they gave him Biggie. He went with Biggie. And then that's when they started the Bad Boy, that. That label. Kurt went and got the LLC for the name. Daryl drew up the baby. Everybody who helped Puff got screwed. Only person. Only person that came out in the. In the winning, winning position was Puff. Everybody else got on.

Flow (28:43)

So the person. Did the person get paid good that drew the Bad Boys logo or he died too.

Mark Curry (28:51)

Damn, I told you. Just imagine if he was still living. Every time that Bad Boy logo was sold on the shirt, he would be making money. Yeah, that's an issue.

Flow (29:01)

Yeah, that's. Yeah, and that's perpetuity. That's forever too.

Mark Curry (29:07)

He'd be making forever. Yeah, but now look at. Look at what happened. He. He can't even embellish in his dream. That's why the birth. That chapter that I did, that's what that one was about.

Flow (29:20)

What was his name? The dude that drew the emblem.

Mark Curry (29:22)

Daryl Ferguson.

Flow (29:23)

Daryl Ferguson.

Mark Curry (29:24)

ASAP Ferg's father. Like, asap Rocky and ASAP Ferg, Huh? What's that song? Furry got put in work. Put him in the dirt. That's Daryl Ferguson's son. Damn. Okay. And even. Even the. The logo. The. The bad boy logo, it was said that that was Daryl Ferguson. I mean, asap. First, when his father. When he was. That was. He was the bad boy logo. But it was somebody else that said it was them. But I know Daryl drew the logo, and he had just had a baby. I don't know if he gonna use another baby to draw besides his own baby that was right there in his house. So we got this one joint called Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll where it talks about, you know, like, in rock and roll, they have people on stage biting off bad necks, they defecating on themselves, rubbing it on theyself, and then jumping in the crowd and people hugging them. And it was real weird because they were. It was sex, drugs and rock and roll. But then when it became sex drugs in hip hop, it was a problem. So now everything that they seen us doing, and they said that we were wrong for doing everything that they've been doing for so long. So I break that down because that's something that I think everybody needs to understand. You know, just like how they. They say we're wrong. Like there's not supposed to be drugs. And. See, and then we break down with industry really means. Industry is really the streets. It's an industry game. It's. It's people who sell drugs that want to have an artist and one day be a Puff Daddy. It's about Puff Daddy meeting that drug dealer that wants to be a record owner, a label, and then now pulling together and then getting money from getting. Signing his group, getting him. Then the group never comes out or something where this just makes him a bigger person. Signing people who already had that kind of life. I got. And then I got We Gonna Be All Right. It's a chapter about all of the artists. This. This, like we gonna Be all right, basically, you know, just being tough, going through what you got to go through. Those that went through it. What I saw. I just did the other chapter yesterday called from the Dirt. Y' all just gotta really get into this book. I can't sit here and explain it all these. But you could DM me. And that's just one book. The other book is. It. The first book is 24 chapters, and the second book is 18 chapters all together, 444 pages. Okay. Yeah, so that's ready. And again, y' all DM me for the autograph copy. You could DM me for any kind of book you want. It doesn't matter. I'M gonna answer all of these dms when I get off of this. And I appreciate everybody who's, who's. Who's participating and supporting. You know, I appreciate it, really do. But let's talk.

Flow (32:28)

Yeah, yeah. So I appreciate. So, so, Mark, so as far as for Bad Boy, where, where, where, where was you at? Where did you come in at? Like, as far as coming into the inner workings of Bad Boy, was it when Kirk Burrows was doing all that or did you come in after that? Like, when did you come into the Bad Boy situation? Like, what was there when you came?

Mark Curry (32:51)

Kirk was there, but Kurt. Kirk was. I was in Los Angeles, so all of the, all of the artists from New York, I was, I was in Los Angeles. Cause where I was signed from, the people who he. He did the. The production deal with was. Was from Los Angeles. So I was based there. Okay, so like I tell you another one. When Biggie and them. When Biggie came to Los Angeles, when he, you know, when he got murdered, I saw him at the mall. Him and B Rock, we saw him at the mall, at the Beverly center. And they was just walking. We was like, you cannot be just walking around the mall like this, bro. Like, because we knew him, you can't just be in the Beverly center like this. People would think the Beverly center is sweet, but the Beverly center is actually built on a gang turf. So the Beverly center actually belongs to. It's like Fox hill malls. The 60s used to go there. So not that I was involved in all that stuff, but when I had to go to the mall, I had to go to the mall that. The neighborhood that was. That I was around. I had to go to the gas station that they said is cool to use because it looked like a nice place. But you go in a gas station, you think, let me just go ahead and get some gas. And it happens just in a beautiful neighborhood, Violent, beautiful neighborhoods. So I lived there. And so when puffing them came like that, when he. When Biggie got murdered, I was supposed to go out with them, but I had went back to the studio and my attitude was like, I don't want to go and hang out with them because they all have things going on for themselves. They all have their careers. It's already launched and they're moving. I don't have that right now. So I said, let me go back to the studio. Because we used to have to put all our music on this. We didn't have emails back then. We couldn't email. We had AOL$. So we in order to get music from Los Angeles to New York, we had to put it, burn it, and then put it in the. In FedEx and send it. So when they came, I said, instead of doing all of that, I'm gonna go dump my files off the studio. In the studio. Give it to Puff while he's here so he could take it back to New York with him.

Flow (34:59)

Okay?

Mark Curry (35:00)

So that day, I went and did that. And then later on, my. My partner called. He was like, yo, they just killed Big. And I was like, what? He said, yeah, they just killed Big. And then the next day, the police had came to his house and took all of the pictures that he had. We had took some pictures the day before. I still got some of the pictures. Like with Carl Thomas, it was just a lot of us. We was in bar one on Sunset, and Biggie, everybody was there. Puff, Mario, I think Mario, Carl Thomas, everybody was there. And that night. And I remember when I saw Big earlier that day. But, yeah, I talk about. I talk about that in the book.

Flow (35:45)

I said, do you know Derek Lee, Cordell Smith, whoever that is?

Mark Curry (35:50)

Derek Lee Cordell Smith. Sound like four people. Who's that? People?

Flow (35:55)

That's his whole name. Derek Lee. Derek Lee. Or is that two names that sound.

Mark Curry (36:00)

Like Harold White, Flo Daddy Floor, I'm last, like, 18 names. Nah, Darryl Lee Cordell. It's. That name sounds familiar, but it's not registering to me. It sounds familiar, but I just. It's not registered. Derek Lee Cordell. What did he do? Answer that.

Flow (36:19)

Yeah, what. What did Derek Lee Cordell do?

Mark Curry (36:21)

What? And.

Flow (36:24)

And if it's in the book, you don't got to go into what's in the book, because they gonna buy the book, y'.

Mark Curry (36:27)

All.

Flow (36:27)

You can click this link, or you could DM Mark Curry directly, or you can click the link, the pin link, and live purchase the book. That's what we talking about in the book. But outside of the book, what. What type of relationship stuff did you see between, like, Kim and. And Puff that you was around? You know what I mean? Like, what. What. What type of. How was their relationship?

Mark Curry (36:50)

From what you saw, Kim will whoop Puff ass. Like, he. She was the only one. Like, if he put her. If he put his hands on her, she was putting. She's. He's coming out scratched up.

Flow (37:04)

Oh, she's like.

Mark Curry (37:05)

You know how it happens when you be like, damn, bro, you don't had a fight with a cat. You in the studio, like, damn, somebody really scratched you up really bad. That's what you Would be wanting. You'd be saying that to him. You'd be like, where Kim? You ain't gonna see Kim for about a month. He done put her in the hotel, let her go heal. That's what he always do after he have a fight. He go put the girl in a hotel, let her stay there for a couple months, weeks, whatever, until she healed.

Flow (37:28)

And that's the first place we did hear that about Cassie during the court stuff about times where. Where she. He put hands on her and then. And then he'll have her in the hotel room for.

Mark Curry (37:41)

But in the hotel for a while.

Flow (37:43)

While she healed up.

Mark Curry (37:44)

Yeah, but you could read. When you get the book, you're gonna see how it was going down with Kim and hi. And I never saw him be violent or Sarah though. I don't think he. And I wrote that in the book too, because I don't think that Sarah came from the streets too. Like she was part of us. And I don't think that if he did that. I don't. It wouldn't. It would have been a no fly putting your hands on her. You know what I'm saying? She was from Minnesota and her people, her people had. She already came from a well off family before she met Puff. You know, a lot of other things.

Flow (38:20)

People be asking about was you around during the Shakir era, like when Shakir was. Was in that little love triangle. It was supposed to be like Shakira, Kim Porter and. And Diddy Puff.

Mark Curry (38:32)

Definitely. But you know, once we're going to tell them again. DM for the book. Yeah, get that link. DM me. I'm gonna get you the book. Yes, Kim. If you see in the book, it's a picture with me and Shakira standing. And Shakira was a good friend of mine in Atlanta, right. And he used to be with this group. He used to be with 2620. And they started off with a record label. It was called. I forget what it was called. But they had Jazzy Faye, whole bunch of producers and yeah, Shakir. So I was there in the studio when Shakira, Puffy had had Kim Porter's phone tapped so he could know everybody that was calling her, what they was talking about. So Shakira had left a message on her phone. He was asking how. How is mom? How was my kids? And he was talking about Puffy's kids. Mad. Puffy got mad at that. But Shakira was one of them kind of dudes. Like he's one of them slick dudes or I think he slept with all the girls. That's just what kind of dude he was. But Puff didn't like that. Only. Only Puff wants to be the only one that sleep with somebody else's girl. Don't want nobody else to sleep with his girl.

Flow (39:48)

So he liked that because Shakira was always a good dude. I knew Shakira just on passing when I was with Floyd. And Shakira used to come around a lot. He was a cool dude. He was smooth.

Mark Curry (39:59)

Shakira was a real cool dude. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of. A lot of things that was going on in that situation. Like. Like, for an example, back then, it was a myth that people were recording people in their homes. Like, people would come into their house. Like, you go to some. Some big record exec's house, and they would be recording every. Everything would be recorded. And by the time they do what they would be doing in that house and they have you on film, that's when they like, listen, if. Do you want me to send this camera, this footage right here to your wife? And then you'd be like, nah, it's enough. It's enough pressure to make you kill yourself. That's what kind of stuff they would catch on people. But this was going on before they had all of those tapes and stuff that they wanted to get from his house. In this last case, they wanted all of the tapes of everything that was recorded. But you gotta imagine if you went to Puffy's party and you got high on drugs and passed out, and you was on film and you was the CEO of Tesla or whatever it may be, and we got you on film on drugs, having sex with. All kind of. All kind of things is going on. Now. Here's what we could do. Either I can put this tape out, or you could give me a thousand free Lexuses, or you can give. Let me be a part of your. Let me do all your commercials or something. Let me. Let me partake in something heavy. Like, let me tell you who's going to perform at the NBA halftime, right? See, and that's why they would be. You know, that's when. But you remember when it was a film he had out there and he was stupid for doing this. When he had. The dude was passed out on his couch and he was like, this is what happens when you come to a Diddy party. The dude was totally passed out, head down on the chair like this. And he's sitting there. This. This is what happens. See? So now that you know when they come to Diddy party, they. They come and get on them drugs, pass out. They will request to have their own drugs. Like, people would fly in their own drugs, their own parties and things like that. That's how they would do. Because to come somewhere and trust somebody else's drugs is something that a lot of those people wouldn't want to do. So they have to have their own party flavors. So. And then he had this one thing that they was working on that once you come to his party, it's like a iv, which they. It'll bring you back. It's like a iv, Liquid iv. So he was into that. So I believe that mayor had something to do with why all of that oil was there. Because he was actually like, people wouldn't come to his party if he didn't have that liquid iv, you know, that there. Because they knew if we pass almost like Nuricane. What's it?

Flow (42:49)

Nurocaine, Novocaine.

Mark Curry (42:52)

The stuff that when you od, you. You put it in squirting and it's playing and they know they'll come back.

Flow (42:58)

Oh, what is. I don't know. What's that called? I know what you're talking about, though.

Mark Curry (43:01)

I think it's called Nora Cane snowvocing something.

Flow (43:06)

Okay, okay.

Mark Curry (43:07)

But it was something equivalent to that. Oh. You know what I'm saying? And so that's what. A lot of stuff, man. It's a lot of stuff that they just totally just didn't tell y' all or mention. Inside that case, man. The book is more interesting than this court case, if you ask me, because I didn't leave out. I didn't leave out much of anything.

Flow (43:28)

Oh, okay. Yeah, that. That's. I was trying to see. Oh, yeah.

Mark Curry (43:31)

Somebody said Michael Jackson. See, Nora can. There it is. See, Michael Jackson. Y' all gotta remember this one, too. And I'm gonna tell y' all another one. Whenever you're an artist. Yeah, when you're an artist. Do you know if Courtney. What was that question? Courtney Burgers really has tapes. I don't know if she do somebody. Somebody in trouble. But what I was going to tell you. Flow. I was ready to go into something.

Flow (44:03)

The Michael Jackson or something. You said something.

Mark Curry (44:04)

Okay, let's go into this first. When you sign as an artist to a label, not all the time, but most cases, they take a life insurance policy out on you as soon as you sign.

Flow (44:18)

Okay, Right.

Mark Curry (44:20)

So when you die, they're going to take care of your funeral, things like that. Because they got a life insurance policy on you. Plus, if you take out a deal and let's say you owe them $350,000 still on your deal, when you die, they're going to get their money back. They're going to get their 350,000 back, because they're going to get it out that life insurance, right? So it's just a way for them to secure their investment, right? So when you got somebody like Michael Jackson who owned, you know, he. He probably owed what, $500 million? And they're like, when are we going to get our $500 million, Mike? So they tried to put Michael on tour, and he couldn't go on tour. Remember? He couldn't get through it because he was sick.

Flow (45:04)

He was sick?

Mark Curry (45:04)

Yeah.

Flow (45:04)

He couldn't.

Mark Curry (45:05)

He.

Flow (45:05)

He barely could get through practice.

Mark Curry (45:07)

So they could. They did not. They did not finish the tour, but they put him on tour to try to get that money back. Then after he got sick, they. Then he died. Right. Do you think they got their money back?

Flow (45:19)

Oh, yeah.

Mark Curry (45:20)

Yeah. See, that's just how they. Whitney Houston, you think they got their money back from her? Yeah. Every artist. But people don't follow the pattern. They don't see the signs. You know, like, if it's a good question, if you really want to ask a good question, ask all of these business execs. Ask whoever. Ask Janice Combs. Ask LA Reid. Ask Clive Davis. Ask them, is it true that they take out life insurance policies on their artists? It's a question nobody asked that nobody asks, you know? But, yeah, it's a lot of stuff, man. You know, the book is. The book is there. It's everything. I really like it. I'm not, you know, not just because it's mine, but.

Flow (46:12)

Y' all gotta get a copy of that book. Mark, you still got your Christmas tree up?

Mark Curry (46:16)

Man, don't say that loud, man. My girl get mad. Cause she. She's like, don't go live with the Christmas tree still in the back. What? You want to know what? Look at it. See all of them ornaments?

Flow (46:30)

She got to take it.

Mark Curry (46:31)

Atari stuff up until next year. Do you know she got to wrap each one of those things? That's why it's still sitting there.

Flow (46:40)

Damn.

Mark Curry (46:41)

That's why it's still sitting there, because she gotta wrap them. Look, they gonna go in this.

Flow (46:50)

Okay. Oh, yeah. Y' all got the official. The official storage kit.

Mark Curry (46:55)

Yeah.

Flow (46:56)

Y' all official.

Mark Curry (46:57)

I can't wait till she take that thing apart. I'm. I'm just gonna have me a drink. Peaceful. She's Been avoiding it, I see. Yeah, it'd be like procrastinating.

Flow (47:09)

Yeah, she.

Mark Curry (47:09)

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And then look, Flow. She even got stuff she didn't even use laying all around the house.

Flow (47:21)

Oh, yeah. Hey, look, y' all wanted a fish on. On the decoration side.

Mark Curry (47:27)

Is he gonna. She gonna sit there and say she gonna. She went and shopped for more stuff and said she gonna save it to next year. I was like, are we spending money now for next year? Oh, my gosh, are we rich? And you're not telling me, like, oh, my God.

Flow (47:48)

Hey, look, I already knew she was official when y' all had three trees.

Mark Curry (47:53)

She had one of them over there.

Flow (47:56)

I know. It's something that we don't see, man.

Mark Curry (47:59)

She had them, and then she decorated the yard. The yard has Santa Claus all lights and stuff on the outside. We had stuff on the side, said, merry Christmas, bye, bye. All of this stuff. I was like, man, look.

Flow (48:12)

Hey, look, you got. You gotta buy about five gifts just to put a gift under each one of them. That's just starting it off, man.

Mark Curry (48:19)

That's incredible.

Flow (48:22)

Yeah, man, y' all gotta get that. And me. And me. And look. Say float. Flow with the mo. Hey, look, we working on. We working on a podcast, too, y'. All.

Mark Curry (48:32)

Oh, yeah, you telling. You told him about it.

Flow (48:34)

I ain't really. I'm. This is the first time we going into it right now. I ain't saying nothing.

Mark Curry (48:39)

This. You're gonna like this. That. We got to change that way. You're gonna like this.

Flow (48:44)

You're gonna like.

Mark Curry (48:45)

Yeah, it's gonna be pretty interesting. We get something like that going. Yeah.

Flow (48:48)

What y' all think about that? What y' all think about Flo and Curry coming with a. A podcast? You know, good name.

Mark Curry (48:54)

See, if somebody. If they. If they said, we need a good.

Flow (48:59)

Name, give us a good name for. For Mark, Curry and Flow doing a podcast together, and we gonna cover all the trending topics. We're gonna cover what we got going on. We're gonna cover everything. We ain't gonna box ourselves in. We covering everything.

Mark Curry (49:14)

That's right. Well, heck, yes. We love the truth. The truth. The truth will set you free.

Flow (49:20)

Yeah.

Mark Curry (49:23)

That'S what they gonna do.

Flow (49:24)

Something about truth. I think our title should have something about truth in it.

Mark Curry (49:28)

Like, it could, but we got to get deeper than that, because when. When we start seeing that, you know, they say the true self set you free, right?

Flow (49:36)

Huh? Hey, somebody said, okay, so I do want an autograph. Copy, Yolanda.

Mark Curry (49:42)

That's what's good.

Flow (49:43)

Yolanda says. So what does she do? She said she want to DM me.

Mark Curry (49:46)

As soon as I get off. I'm a. I'm a messenger. And then everybody.

Flow (49:50)

I'm talking to Yolanda, but everybody on this live, I'm gonna repeat DM Mark Curry directly for autograph copy of the book. He got audiobooks that he updating. Okay, okay, so. So. So y' all could definitely get all type of exclusive book info by DM and Curry. I would. If everybody in this chat, if y' all want to know the real stories, I would. DM Mark Curry, soon as we get off of this live. And he gonna respond to everybody.

Mark Curry (50:21)

See, this is what we doing right here.

Flow (50:24)

Let's go look. Hey, we got books for everybody.

Mark Curry (50:29)

We got books for everybody. We got him.

Flow (50:33)

Look at. This is what we got going on.

Mark Curry (50:35)

I'm about to be covered. He ain't even gonna see me in a minute. Watch. I'm about to bury myself. I'm gonna bury myself.

Flow (50:42)

Come on, come on.

Mark Curry (50:44)

I ain't gonna do it, but, yeah, we got the books.

Flow (50:47)

Somebody.

Mark Curry (50:49)

It's 447 pages of it. You know what I'm saying?

Flow (50:53)

So Tracy says she need one. Tracy, you got a dm Mark Curry. Hey, look, Mark Curry. Tracy Anderson White. When you see Tracy Anderson White, you'll know because she got the same last name as me. She is one of. One of the. The biggest supporters of the show. Treat her. Treat her good.

Mark Curry (51:10)

When you say I'm gonna have to do. I might have to treat her like you treat it, because we. We gonna have that show.

Flow (51:14)

Yeah.

Mark Curry (51:15)

So everybody gotta get everybody. Your family, my family, my family.

Flow (51:20)

We already got a foundation.

Mark Curry (51:21)

So what about my casa? Mike casa?

Flow (51:23)

My casa su casa?

Mark Curry (51:25)

Yeah, we might have to use that one on the show. Like, mike casa, come to my casa. And then when you get in, the only thing you have to do is say, I don't like it.

Flow (51:36)

Like it. I don't like it.

Mark Curry (51:39)

I'm a hashtag mine on the Internet. Say, and me neither. Hey, hey, hey.

Flow (51:46)

Oh, yeah, me neither. Hell yeah. I like that. Me.

Mark Curry (51:48)

That's gonna be my name. Me neither.

Flow (51:51)

Me neither. So I'm saying I don't like it. Hell yeah. She said, can you send it to England?

Mark Curry (51:59)

Yes, I can. So I'm coming to. I'm going. I'm going to Germany in March. How far is England from Germany? It's not that far. Right.

Flow (52:10)

Hey, y', all, he said. He said I was coming now. He just said he going, oh, yo.

Mark Curry (52:14)

Yo, yo, you going, too?

Flow (52:18)

I don't like it.

Mark Curry (52:20)

Me neither.

Flow (52:22)

Yeah. Mark Curry done Curve, but, you know.

Mark Curry (52:26)

You know, that's why I want everybody also on this. On this. That's reading this right now. We're not asking for no handouts or nothing like that. No handouts. But we are going to Germany, and we got to get a couple of more flights. So anything people do to help us get, you know, make sure we secure flights and hotels and stuff, we got them, though. But it would be nice for us to have a little bit of a push because, like, you know, I want you there.

Flow (52:53)

Yeah. So everybody grab these books. Proceeds, some. A portion of these proceeds going towards getting me to Germany with Mark Curry on this tour.

Mark Curry (53:02)

Exactly. And that's what it is. I might have to use that 100 business.

Flow (53:13)

That's what's up. Yeah, man. Yeah. Y' all gonna love our show, man. You might as well tell them a little bit about the tour since we. Since we tell them to send them.

Mark Curry (53:22)

Dollars in, I bet. So we gonna go. We're gonna start off going to Germany in March. We're gonna go to Berlin. We're gonna go to Berlin for four days, then we're gonna dip on over. They got us over in the United Kingdom. We're gonna go to the United Kingdom. We got some things to do out there. Some. Some big things out there with some artists and some bookstores and stuff like that. And then we got Denmark. Denmark. We're gonna get out to Denmark, too. I'm trying to put Denmark together right now, but everything is. Is UK is an hour and 30 minutes away on the flight, and Denmark is four hours away driving from Berlin. Okay. So we just gonna go out there and make sure we. We get the best of it. They're gonna treat us real good out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Flow (54:16)

So we're looking forward to that. I'm excited, man.

Mark Curry (54:19)

Yeah. That's what we're gonna start off. Our first. Our first little thing. We're gonna start it off right there with traveling. Then we're gonna come back and go crazy.

Flow (54:30)

Definitely. Definitely. So what. What. What else we got up, Mark, before we get on up out of here, man?

Mark Curry (54:36)

We're gonna. We gonna keep on pushing, man. Keep on going, man. Like, I'm Brandon. This branding, this. It's a little. It's a little bit more in branding something like this than just, you know, because I gotta look at my whole image sometimes. I gotta look at every picture I post to make sure that the pictures are saying exactly what I'm saying. So we having to go through now and just kind of reshape some things. So that's what we working on for the next. For the next month, and then the month after that, we'd be ready to go. But I'm working on that right now hard. And I'm trying to make sure that these. I, I do like a audiobook a day with the visuals. So every day I have a new chapter that I work on because I got like 37 of them to do. But I'm. I'm like four. Four in three or three in so far. But I'm gonna leave them because I want people to read the audio, get the audiobook, get familiar. So when we go on things like this and we talk, they can ask questions, specific questions, like on. On page number three and in the book, what happened right here? How did that end up? What happened after that? So it makes the conversations a little bit more interesting. So I think, yeah. For those who don't like to read, I know a lot of people don't like to read. So that's why I did the audiobook for you. And don't get it off of Amazon because it's in. It's in a Chinese lady voice. It's gonna sound like you ain't pay your phone bill, so get it. Yeah, you don't want that. Yeah, you do not want that. I might have to use that one. And you don't want that.

Flow (56:13)

It's a Chinese lady. So don't get it off Amazon. Hey, look, she said book club would be awesome.

Mark Curry (56:19)

Yeah, I'm. I'm attacking the book clubs right now too. All of the book clubs. Because that's when, you know, when I do something with books, I wanna, I wanna deal with people who like to read books and I don't like to cross, you know, and try to do something, a function with people who don't like to read books that just want to come out to hang out with Mark Curry. Now it's all about books. We ain't. We ain't hanging out. We selling books. We moving books and we making noise and we making history right now. We making history.

Flow (56:46)

Making history. Hey, darling. His real Facebook profile is Mark Curry. You can look him at, you can look him up on my friends list if you can't find them just by typing it in. But you should see Mark Curry as soon as you type it in.

Mark Curry (56:59)

And if you can't find me on there, go to my Instagram. Mark M A R K K One more time. Two K's M A R, K, K C U, R, R Y. I want y' all follow me on all of them on Instagram. I' ma follow you back, and I'm gonna talk to you. You know, people be telling me you should. You shouldn't be having enough time to talk to people. You shouldn't be talking to people on Instagram or nothing like that. And messages, because it make it seem like you ain't. Do you. You. You supposed real. What?

Flow (57:32)

I don't make no sense.

Mark Curry (57:33)

It don't make no.

Flow (57:34)

I don't like that.

Mark Curry (57:39)

I'm like, what? So I'm supposed to not talk to people and act like I'm stuck up, Right? People think that. That fame is when you get something like that, that you gotta. You gotta go sit down somewhere and don't talk to nobody.

Flow (57:53)

Right? That ain't. That ain't how it gonna.

Mark Curry (57:56)

Yeah. And when I responded, I respond to people in the dm, they'd be like, wow, I can't believe you responded. I'm like, what are you talking about? You did. You message me. I'm gonna respond, right? I did not believe you responded. I'm 50. I'm still on face eight. Oh, yeah. But, yeah. Yolanda, car. What's going on, man? I appreciate y' all too, man. I'm just letting y' all know beforehand. I really appreciate y'. All. I appreciate coming on this. This platform right now, today, too, with flow. Because we've been trying to plan something for. For a minute, but I guess planning it makes it prolongs it, but just doing it like this makes it better. And we can do this more often. As long as you don't get on and kill, kill, kill. We could do this. We could do one of these kind of things every day if we wanted to.

Flow (58:44)

Yeah. For real. And that's the thing, especially when me and you, we just come from the heart and the soul. So it don't have to be all planned because it's natural to both of us. You know what I'm saying? It's like. So like you said, I was thinking the same thing I said sometimes you get into planning, playing, and some people, they can only do it by planning. You know what I'm saying? I'm not a person. I can get on here. It's like a fish and water for me.

Mark Curry (59:08)

Yeah. The plans don't never really. They sound good sometimes, but you got to be dedicated to them. And then when they don't work, it's. It's a. Sometimes it's a letdown.

Flow (59:19)

Yeah.

Mark Curry (59:19)

Like, I ain't making no plan. I'm just going along with the flow. That way, if it don't work, I ain't gonna have my feelings involved.

Flow (59:25)

Like you said, go along with the flow. That's why they call me Flow. That's really my best. When I do my best work is just flow. I just, you know, Flow.

Mark Curry (59:32)

I kind of like that one, too. Go along with the flow. Every time you say something, it sound like a new podcast show.

Flow (59:42)

Yeah, we gotta get that name. Y' all send us some DMS when y' all getting that book. Just here with y' all enjoying the live. They enjoying it. Yeah. Look for our podcast, but give us some podcast names, too, man. We're gonna go through us and pick a good name.

Mark Curry (59:56)

Yeah.

Flow (59:56)

We're gonna put it together and we might. We're gonna do the same thing. We ain't gonna overthink it. We might come straight, like Nightcap. We might do some episodes straight virtual, like that. You know what I mean?

Mark Curry (60:06)

So I said we should start picking the news, what's going on, and just get on a little bit every now and then. Just talk. So. So. Because I don't like to always talk about the book, even though I love to talk about my book.

Flow (60:17)

Yeah, no, we can talk about the trending. Like, what's going on.

Mark Curry (60:21)

Yeah. So much more about me. That's more. I think it's interesting. It's a lot of things that's interesting about you. So we gotta. We gotta get in and maybe just talk about the things that's happening and let them get it.

Flow (60:33)

Let them get it for sure. And then when something. When something really happening, we pop on. You know what I'm saying?

Mark Curry (60:39)

It's like the news.

Flow (60:41)

Yeah, yeah, the news reports.

Mark Curry (60:44)

I want to do the same thing. And floor. I'm putting on. I'm putting on the suit. Okay, okay, yeah, I'm gonna try that. Because I don't want to look like Cameron and Mason. Them.

Flow (60:55)

I just.

Mark Curry (60:55)

I. You know, because people gonna be like, oh, you trying to get dressed up like them. I am. But I'm like, damn, everybody getting dressed up. They don't got rid of those Nike. Cortez got them quarter zips. I don't even know where the firm Whip Marshall sell them.

Flow (61:09)

Right, right, right, right. It's time.

Mark Curry (61:11)

I'm going to Marshalls.

Flow (61:12)

Yeah, yeah.

Mark Curry (61:14)

Where it don't cost. It won't be on me, boss.

Flow (61:18)

Hey, look, go with the quarter zips is a quarter.

Mark Curry (61:20)

A quarter zip, man. I said, God, then I changed everything.

Flow (61:23)

25, yo.

Mark Curry (61:25)

All of a sudden, one day they said, wearing those is whack. And you need to. You need to put on this. And I said, wow, look at how fast they able to make us trend in the stuff they trying to clean. Have us clean our act up gonna tell us that we look stupid if we don't put on a quarter zip. And. And we buying it.

Flow (61:43)

Yeah. Hell yeah. Donna says real speaking floor is the man. I'm in England. Nothing is said only to trial. This is the only person I follow for the truth. Thanks, Flow. Thank you, darling. Yeah, we're gonna bring that truth, Mark.

Mark Curry (61:58)

We like that.

Flow (62:00)

We like that. We're gonna bring that truth to our podcast. Man, we gonna get that thing popping. Yeah.

Mark Curry (62:05)

So, you know, they got a couple of. They supposed to have a couple more episodes of that docu series because it was. We recorded so much more. They ain't even. Man, they had me in there for eight hours. They. And they had. They got so much more footage that y' all did not even get a little bit of it.

Flow (62:23)

For real.

Mark Curry (62:24)

Just. Y' all didn't even get a little bit of it. Yeah.

Flow (62:29)

That's how I go. You said. I remember you said it was a whole bunch of stuff that you said that should have been in there that.

Mark Curry (62:33)

You said or did something way more better than that. I'm like, man, you. I could have went, I think everybody in that court should have read my book. Yeah. They would have been like, wait a minute. This is the same thing you saying now. You said this. Did you keep saying the same thing? That's how they'll get them. Like, word for real. Right? That's how. It's the same story. Is this, this, this. The. The same suit reheated. You know what I mean?

Flow (63:04)

You said the original. The trial back in the day, the jurors. It was jurors googly eyed and starstruck.

Mark Curry (63:10)

It's in the book. And. And I wrote that in 2000. Wow. So that means it was before this. So I'm explaining to you what happened then, which is exactly what's happened now. So you'd be like, wow, I didn't even remember I wrote that until I was reading it when I was just doing the edits. And I was like, wow, I wrote this. I forgot about that. He was. They was doing the Google eyes with the jurors. You know, when you. When you in court, they say if you just look at a jury and stare them down, they'll have a connection. Especially if you. Somebody like Puff, they're damn near fall in love with you. It's like, JLo keep looking at me. I'm like, I know JLo ain't looking at me. JLo look at me like that one more time, she better not be looking at me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Just think about if you in court and you a juror and JLO keep staring at you like, jayla, you. You like my shirt?

Flow (64:05)

Right, Right, Right. You're gonna. Yo, yo, your verdict gonna change.

Mark Curry (64:09)

Yeah, I'll be getting. I'll be starting to do like this. You know that one right? When people look at.

Flow (64:17)

Next thing you know, not guilty.

Mark Curry (64:19)

Yeah.

Flow (64:20)

They got her on camera.

Mark Curry (64:23)

Not guilty. This girl was smiling like, you know who they. You know whose sister that is, right? Who? The dude from Get Out.

Flow (64:32)

Who's. That's not the sister.

Mark Curry (64:35)

Remember him on Get Out?

Flow (64:36)

Yeah, yeah. With the hat on.

Mark Curry (64:40)

Yeah.

Flow (64:40)

That was his sister.

Mark Curry (64:42)

His real sister, if you ask me. It ain't real, but I'm just saying. Oh, it just looked like that to me.

Flow (64:48)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mark Curry (64:50)

They look like identical twins if you ask me. I'm like, damn, was that his twin? Get out. Oh, my God. She was just cheesing, too. I said, drew, what was her name? Juvenile number 380. What was her name?

Flow (65:03)

Yeah. 161. Some. I know you talking about, though.

Mark Curry (65:08)

I mean, golly, you know what I'm saying? You know, she got, you know, somebody done gave her some. When do you think 50 will release the second neck fist?

Flow (65:16)

I don't know.

Mark Curry (65:17)

Cause. All right, let me tell y' all this. He's not going to announce it or promote it, because if you do that, you're gonna give people heads up and have enough time for them to put lawsuits and stuff together. So it's gonna drop so fast that a lawyer ain't gonna be able to do nothing.

Flow (65:36)

Oh, so he gonna just come out with it.

Mark Curry (65:38)

He's gonna drop it. It's probably be in two days. It's a two day promotion. When they did the. The docu series, I recorded that a year ago, and I didn't know it was going to be released until two days. I didn't know it was going to get released until December. And then look, cold thing is, Damon Dash was. He was like, what's up with the 50 cent? Netflix. Have you seen it? It's Cap. It's Cap, man. When he said that, man, I was so hurt. I was like, man, you mean to tell me? I thought that they. I was like, damn, somebody done Bought me and put me on hush. I couldn't talk the whole trial and I couldn't say nothing the whole trial. Because I was under contract, right? So I'm like, damn, I can't say nothing. So then Dave said, Yo, 5050 Cent docu series, all cap, man. My heart went to my shoes then. And then I didn't know it was going to happen. I just thought that they was playing. And then they called and said, yo, it's going to be released in two days. I said what? They said two days. And I was like, all right. And they did it.

Flow (66:43)

Yeah, because I remember you even told me, remember because you told me about, you know, that it was coming before. Like, you know, that they was work before all that came. So that's how I knew you was in the loop.

Mark Curry (66:52)

Yeah, I was. I was. I'm the one. The whole docu series. All right, Let me tell you this. Put it all together. In my first book, I talk about Kurt burroughs, okay? It's 25. I talk about. I talk about. I talk about Craig Mack. I talk about Eric Simon, okay? That's in my book. The whole docu series had those individuals in there. So basically my book was the blueprint for the docu series, right? It was the blueprint for the docu series.

Flow (67:32)

And guess what? I believe that too. Because what? Nobody really talking about Eric Cern like that at all. It came from somewhere.

Mark Curry (67:42)

Yeah. Not at all. It came from. It came from him knowing Misa and then. And then I also knew Eric because that he's the first person I was doing music with. And Puff never. When I signed the bad boy, Puff would never let me get a track from Eric. I used to be like, what do you got against Eric that you don't like? What do you dudes got going on? So it was two things. One was Craig Mack. Craig Mack. His first name was McX. Something like that, I can't think of. Make sure when we hang up, everybody figure out. So next time we talk, we want everybody to tell us what was Craig Mack's original rap name? Before it was Craig Mack, but then he was. He used to be on the road with epmd. And then he was going, you know, he was. Eric was going to have him as an artist. But then Puff signed him. Puff signed Craig Mack. So then, now you got Craig Mack, Eric Sermon, and then you got Misa. That's enough for Craig, for Puff to not like Puff. I mean, Eric.

Flow (68:47)

So he didn't like Eric just because Eric had Craig Mack first?

Mark Curry (68:51)

No, he didn't like him. And Eric didn't get along for several reasons, I believe one would be, I would say first was Craig Mack. Second, Misa.

Flow (69:01)

I understood the misa.

Mark Curry (69:03)

What, What.

Flow (69:03)

What was the beef? Craig Mack, though, what was they. Why wouldn't he like it?

Mark Curry (69:08)

Because Craig Mack, before he was Craig Mack. His who? The rapper? He was. He. He was opening up for EPMD on their shows because they all from Long Island. Craig backs from Long Island. EPMD's from Long island, right? So they Long Island. So he was already working. What you drinking? Pepto, Bismol, Ice. So he was already sparking. That's that expensive water. That's that expensive water. MC Easy. There you go. Cold page. Easy. There it is. MCE Z. But you know, Craig Mack. Did y' all hear his wife when she was like, she didn't think that. She thought that somebody gave Craig Mack the hiv. What about the jury? Why we ain't hearing nothing about. Yo, you want to know something else? During the whole trial, though? They say Puff didn't. He didn't participate in none of that stuff, right? What you mean? He ain't participate really in none of those sexual parties and stuff. He used to sit back and put the. This whack and then put. Put the stuff on, you know, Give me that. Rubbing it in like this, right? So if he never joined in and then one of those sex workers is saying somebody gave him an std, right? Somebody had an std, right? You notice when. When Cuz went to court, when old boy went to court and they asked him for his. His, his. They asked him for his. For his medical records. They never came up with them.

Flow (70:56)

Never.

Mark Curry (70:57)

They never came up with those medical records. I like the part where you. Curry was talking about Diddy couldn't sing, and you came back to drop the verse. Yeah, that was. Hit my. I did that joint. He couldn't physically. Because he couldn't physically. Yo. And then another embarrassing thing was the girl that said when she looked at his journey, he was a Tootsie. She said he had a Tootsie Roll. And then she said, oh, Tootsie Roll. She called this thing Tootsie Roll. I would have been so hurt. I wouldn't want nobody to be with my girl if my girl called me Tootsie Roll. Cause I have a feeling like every other guy that sleep with her is going, she gonna like them more than me because I'm Tootsie Roll. I could see that complex. Like, Woody would have that complex over. Especially if he had a small winky but that's just something that he could have went. Got counseling for or he could have just spoke to us about it. Like, damn, you know, just tell the people. Tell the people what's going on.

Flow (71:56)

And you know what? That, that's another weird thing, bro. When you think about it, out of all that footage, all that stuff that came across, all the stuff they used was he. He never engaged in nothing.

Mark Curry (72:11)

They.

Flow (72:12)

That don't even make no sense. They act like he never had sex or did anything so that lets you know that they was cherry picking what they could use or couldn't use or something.

Mark Curry (72:22)

Without what I thought. My. What I thought I was like, the reason why he ain't joined in is because if, if somebody catch something and, and he's easy if, you know, when you, when you have some. I'm not saying it's him, but when you a carrier, if they find out you going out having sex with random people in your carrier, you get in trouble. Yeah.

Flow (72:44)

Heck yeah. No, you know, I see them cases all the time. Them serious.

Mark Curry (72:48)

They're gonna tell you to put it up, zip it, zip it up. We catch you out, if we catch you using that thing, you're in trouble. You scared. Like, damn, I just gotta pee. Can't even pee. Is that hot if I pee. You know what I'm saying? No, I do not like it. Don't worry about it. Y' all gonna get my tooth fixed too, for the show.

Flow (73:12)

Hey. Hey. So. And then, and then I wonder, can we wake him back on the show?

Mark Curry (73:17)

I don't smoke.

Flow (73:19)

Okay. I thought you so. Oh, what, you, you was, you was. Okay.

Mark Curry (73:23)

Nah, you know what? I smoke weed, but I don't like smoking on camera. Yeah, I never like being high on camera. Like when we doing stuff. Like, I don't like it because you just make me look stupid.

Flow (73:35)

Yeah. You never seen me on camera.

Mark Curry (73:37)

I've never seen you on camera smoking no weed.

Flow (73:40)

I was one. I was wondering, I was wondering, like, is the. What's the rules on that? Because don't they be doing our drink? Like, what's the rules on that?

Mark Curry (73:46)

Just, I think they do it, but I think we. We kind of. I think I kind of think slow with our position and where we at in life, we should, we should be trying to help people do better. Like, like I was watching the docu series and I seen Puff and his son was in. In the room when he was talking to Puff and he had weed. I'm like, damn, I could never smoke weed around my parents or nothing. Like, that and I just felt like, you know what? When I saw that, I said, we got to change that. We gotta teach our children to go do that outside. Don't. It's disrespectful for you to get high in front of me.

Flow (74:19)

Yeah.

Mark Curry (74:19)

You know what I'm saying?

Flow (74:23)

Nobody ever. I ain't never smoked online or, or.

Mark Curry (74:26)

I don't like that. I wouldn't encourage nobody else to do it. I don't even want to talk to somebody who can't smoke later on. Not grown enough for this.

Flow (74:35)

Right, right. Not even on my social media. Like, you know, sometimes people be on their story and all that. I ain't never did.

Mark Curry (74:42)

I did it when I was. I did it until I realized that it was. It wasn't it. Like people, people are looking at me. People are watching me. And, and I don't want. I don't want to influence, especially the youth to feel like this is cool. Cause like everybody think that it's cool to. To smoke in a car, smoke, you know, weed. And they, you know, like when I smoke weed at home, I gotta go outside. I don't care how cold it is. And then my mother, if she smell it, she start complaining, like immediately, Immediately. Stock. She told me the other day that because my car is parked next to hers in the driveway, that when she get in her car, she smell marijuana.

Flow (75:32)

Wow.

Mark Curry (75:34)

Doggy knows. Like we can use her on drug bus.

Flow (75:39)

Huh?

Mark Curry (75:39)

Go in there and sniff it out. Ma. She going, it's drugs in here.

Flow (75:43)

Right down here in this corner.

Mark Curry (75:45)

Right here. It's somewhere up in here. It's still flying. Did it go right there? Right there. You like right where? Right there? Yep. So yeah, that's one thing that I. I didn't mean to get off on that long. But yeah, as far as imaging and having how we wanna. How I want to do, like, I'm always uplifted and educating and teaching someone. Like, I don't like to teach kids how to. How to get in trouble. Like, you ever got pulled over by the police and they smell weed in the car, your ass going right to jail.

Flow (76:16)

Yeah, that happened to me back in the day.

Mark Curry (76:19)

Yeah. Or they have the right to do anything they want. Just get out the car. We're gonna run your name, search it. If everything cool, we just gonna let you go. Nine times out of ten it's not gonna be cool.

Flow (76:29)

I remember back in the day, I pulled over in a town called Wickenburg. I knew I was hit.

Mark Curry (76:34)

Ah, that's it, man.

Flow (76:35)

It was Wickenberg.

Mark Curry (76:39)

Vehicle.

Flow (76:39)

I was like.

Mark Curry (76:42)

You'd be like, man, y' all pretty smart. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's when you got to get smart and you realize I got one question to ask you. They're gonna be like, what's that? How did you find that? That's the major question right there. They're gonna be like, how did we find it? Yeah, we searched. Did you not. Did you not know it was in here before you searched? They'd be like, no, we had no clue. So you just searched until you found something? No, no, no. No probable cause. You didn't have no reason to be searching my car, right?

Flow (77:12)

No.

Mark Curry (77:13)

All right. But you. They smell that weed. Yeah.

Flow (77:15)

And it was just being young and dumb. I had just dropped my boy off at the airport. My boy in Cali. From Cali. He from Oakland, I believe he was flying to Cali. He had left a little Tootsie Roll piece and.

Mark Curry (77:27)

Oh, you talking about like a Puff Daddy.

Flow (77:30)

Yeah, like a Puff Daddy about that.

Mark Curry (77:32)

Yeah, we gonna call. They changed it to Puff Daddy.

Flow (77:34)

Now the Puff Daddy. So he left by the Puff Daddy limb. And it wasn't even much, you know, small. So I don't know why I kept it in the ashtray. Like, I ain't even smell. It was so small. You know how they said, itty bitty Diddy?

Mark Curry (77:48)

Yeah.

Flow (77:50)

I'm driving. And so when they pulled me over, I said, I'm done. Why the did I leave that? Not only you smelling it, but I left a little puffy in there and took my ass to jail. I was just young and dumb. Just young.

Mark Curry (78:04)

I would have had me some water on the seat.

Flow (78:06)

I would have been like, yeah, I know.

Mark Curry (78:11)

Man. That's going. They find me. I'm like, yeah. I remember one time we was Black Rob. We was in the room. Police came in there, and. And they was like, what's this? It was on the table. Black Rob, man. Mama do said, what? They said this right there, weed. He said, what weed? They said that weed right there, man. He grabbed that, put it all in his mouth. Put it on.

Flow (78:37)

What'd they say when he did that? He was good.

Mark Curry (78:38)

Oh, he was moving fat. No, they. They tried to make him spit it back out. You know how they do. You'd be like, man, come on, man. It ain't gonna go down like that, but. Yeah, that's Shout out, Black Rod, man, look, I'm. I gotta get ready to get out of here and go pick up my son.

Flow (78:58)

Okay, again.

Mark Curry (78:59)

Everybody DM me. Tell him one more time about the dm. Me. I'm gonna get you the dms. I'm gonna come back right now. As soon as I hang up, I'm gonna go through my Instagram DM and I'm gonna go through my Facebook messages, and I'm gonna respond to everybody.

Flow (79:12)

Everybody who want to get the book. Send Mark Curry a direct message. He gonna respond to everybody. He gonna respond to everybody. Get you either autograph, copy, or the regular copy or audio version, whatever you want. Send him a dm. And if you're watching this on replay, because I'm gonna lead this on my page and just so other people can watch it, even that's not live. So I'm.

Mark Curry (79:36)

If you.

Flow (79:37)

If you catching a replay, dmr. Curry, he gonna give you. He gonna send you out the book today. You see? You see? You see Diddy big head ass on there looking evil as hell. It's time. It's time to see what's up.

Mark Curry (79:49)

It's crazy that he got. He got a big head like that, but he took. They called him Tootsie Roll.

Flow (79:55)

Right? Right. Everything went to his head. So go ahead, man. Pick your son, everybody. Appreciate you, Mark Curry, for popping on.

Mark Curry (80:03)

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Flow (80:04)

We gonna be.

Mark Curry (80:05)

I'm ready to go to the dms, y'. All. Thank y', all, man. We're gonna be back again.

Flow (80:09)

Okay? We'll be back again.

Mark Curry (80:13)

Peace out, floor. I'll hit you in a minute.

Flow (80:15)

All right. I like it.

Mark Curry (80:16)

All right. I got to. Really. And I like it.

Flow (80:19)

Yes.

Mark Curry (80:20)

How you hang this up? It was. Is it going to be hard hanging this up as it was to get up in here?