The Focus Group Podcast: S5 Ep11 - The Kyrgyzstan PhD Problem (with Jen Psaki)
Host: Sarah Longwell
Guest: Jen Psaki, Former Biden White House Press Secretary
Release Date: March 29, 2025
Introduction
In the eleventh episode of Season 5, Sarah Longwell, publisher of The Bulwark, engages in a deep and insightful conversation with Jen Psaki, the former White House Press Secretary under President Biden, host of Inside with Jen Psaki on MSNBC, and The Bulwark's new podcast, The Blueprint with Jen Psaki. The discussion centers around the Democratic Party's strategies, communication challenges, and lessons learned from the 2024 election loss.
Democratic Strategies Leading Up to the 2024 Election
Sarah Longwell opens the discussion by highlighting the central debates within the Democratic Party post-2024 elections:
- Campaign Moderation: Was Kamala Harris’s approach too moderate?
- Strategic Partnerships: The decision to campaign alongside Liz Cheney.
- Voter Turnout: Did the focus on certain demographics lead to ineffective voter mobilization?
Jen Psaki reflects on the Democratic Party's messaging and the importance of authenticity in political communication:
Jen Psaki [01:18]: “I love podcasting... it's not like people telling you three minutes left... you can have longer conversations.”
She emphasizes the shift from formalized media interactions to more genuine and extended dialogues facilitated by platforms like podcasting.
The Role of Kamala Harris and Campaign Decisions
A significant portion of the conversation delves into Kamala Harris's campaign strategies and their impact on the election outcome.
Jen Psaki critiques the decision to emphasize the fight for democracy by partnering with Liz Cheney:
Jen Psaki [08:15]: “Do you think those events were really the right emphasis from a public standpoint?”
She suggests that while defending democracy is crucial, the public messaging perhaps lacked focus on tangible economic policies that directly affected voters.
Sarah Longwell challenges this by questioning whether the partnership with Cheney was truly a pivotal factor:
Sarah Longwell [35:20]: "I do blame the Democrats for not handling the situation better... it would show assertiveness as a leader."
The discussion reveals a tension between addressing broad ideological threats and focusing on immediate, relatable issues impacting voters' daily lives.
Communication and Messaging Strategies
The podcast critically examines the Democratic Party's communication approach, highlighting the need for relatability and clarity.
Jen Psaki argues against the over-formalized and academic language that can alienate voters:
Jen Psaki [18:40]: “... there's this ivory tower academic way of talking about issues that you need to untangle from Democrats.”
She advocates for politicians to showcase personal sides and engage in conversations that resonate on a human level rather than sticking strictly to policy jargon.
Sarah Longwell concurs, emphasizing the importance of authentic and relatable messaging:
Sarah Longwell [54:03]: “Find the one thing that you're deeply passionate about... what really matters to you.”
This segment underscores the necessity for Democrats to balance policy discussions with personable and accessible communication to build stronger connections with the electorate.
Insights from Focus Groups on Voter Behavior
The episode features focus group segments where former Biden voters explain their reasons for not supporting Kamala Harris in 2024. Key themes include:
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Lack of Connection and Authenticity:
- Voters felt they did not truly know Kamala Harris as a leader.
- Voter Quote [35:49]: “I felt like she kind of gave up or just didn't really have it anymore, like she didn't care almost.”
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Insufficient Time to Establish Leadership:
- Harris was perceived as having limited time to build a comprehensive platform.
- Voter Quote [37:20]: “I felt like she was reaching out to all of these different factions that were not relatable to a lot of voters.”
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Messaging Misalignment:
- Emphasis on abstract issues like democracy over concrete economic policies.
- Voter Quote [38:05]: “All of that stuff is happening right now.”
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Perceptions of Mixed Messaging:
- Campaign efforts seen as desperate or gimmicky, hindering genuine voter engagement.
- Voter Quote [42:59]: “It was a desperate effort, which seems to be maybe to be in the same category as gimmicky.”
These insights reveal that voters sought more authentic leadership and policies that directly addressed their economic and personal concerns rather than broad ideological battles.
Perceptions of the Current Political Landscape and Trump Administration
The focus groups also explored voters' views on the Trump administration, revealing significant concerns:
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Authoritarianism and Democratic Threats:
- Voter Quote [58:28]: “January 6th stands strong in my own personal view of Donald Trump.”
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Policy Critiques:
- Dissatisfaction with immigration policies, military roles, and economic strategies.
- Voter Quote [60:08]: “I don't believe that transgender people don't have a role in the military.”
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Leadership and Integrity:
- Perceptions of Trump as a destabilizing force undermining democratic institutions.
- Voter Quote [59:04]: “He threatened his own vice president when he didn't win the election... I can't get beyond that.”
Jen Psaki acknowledges these concerns and discusses the Democratic Party's need to address them more effectively:
Jen Psaki [64:35]: “I don't think the Democrats have quite figured out how to run against Trump... how to talk about what they have the power to do or not.”
Conclusions and Lessons for the Democratic Party
The episode concludes with Jen Psaki offering reflections and advice based on the focus group findings:
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Embrace Authenticity:
- Politicians should present their true selves, showcasing personal interests and relatable aspects to connect with voters.
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Focus on Tangible Policies:
- Shift messaging from abstract ideological concepts to concrete policies that address voters' immediate needs.
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Engage Proactively:
- Democrats should seize the moment to lead and communicate effectively, avoiding risk-averse strategies that fail to inspire voters.
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Leverage Public Presence:
- Utilize diverse platforms to engage with voters genuinely, moving beyond traditional, formal media interactions.
Jen Psaki emphasizes the importance of moving forward with these lessons to rebuild and strengthen the Democratic coalition:
Jen Psaki [74:21]: “It's not just good messaging. It's the kind of thing that should get you exercised. Like, yes, organically... have something to say.”
The discussion underscores a critical need for the Democratic Party to evolve its communication strategies, prioritize authenticity, and focus on policies that resonate deeply with the electorate to regain momentum in future elections.
Notable Quotes
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Jen Psaki [02:12]: “It's not that there isn't an appetite for content about politics. It's about how it's being delivered and this like hunger for authenticity.”
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Sarah Longwell [54:03]: “Find the one thing that you're deeply passionate about... what really matters to you.”
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Voter [35:22]: “I felt like she was reaching out to all of these different factions that were not relatable to a lot of voters.”
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Jen Psaki [64:35]: “I don't think the Democrats have quite figured out how to run against Trump... how to talk about what they have the power to do or not.”
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Voter [58:28]: “January 6th stands strong in my own personal view of Donald Trump.”
Final Thoughts
This episode of The Focus Group Podcast offers a comprehensive analysis of the Democratic Party's challenges and the complex dynamics that influenced the 2024 election outcome. Through the expertise of Jen Psaki and the candid insights from focus group participants, listeners gain a nuanced understanding of the critical areas needing attention for the party's future success.