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Welcome to The Free to Grow CFO Podcast, where we dive deep into conversations about scaling a profitable DTC brand. Join us as we talk with DTC and Ecommerce experts, operators, and brand founders to uncover the strategies, financial insights, and real-world lessons behind sustainable growth. Whether you’re building toward your first million or scaling beyond eight figures, each episode is packed with practical advice to help you grow smarter and more profitably.

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Episode SummaryWelcome to the Ecom Scaling Show, brought to you by Free To Grow CFO and Aplo Group! Join hosts Jon Blair (Founder, Free to Grow CFO) and Dylan Byers (Co-founder, Aplo Group) as we dive into the crucial—yet often missing—link between marketing and finance in DTC e-commerce. In Episode 15, Jon and Dylan explore a critical and often under-discussed moment in the brand journey: the DTC turnaround. When your targets are far from your actual performance, when cash is tight, and when growth has stalled—should you pivot, double down, or walk away? This episode is packed with hard truths and practical frameworks around brand revival, team evaluation, and the real levers that move the needle. This is essential listening for operators, founders, and marketers facing pressure to fix what’s broken, or decide if it’s time to fold.Key Takeaways-Not every ROAS problem is actually a marketing problem.-Define the right game before chasing better metrics.-Better unit economics improve marketing efficiency.00:00 Introduction & Why DTC Turnarounds Matter02:06 How Brands End Up in Trouble04:50 Defining Success Before Fixing Performance06:42 Offer: The Highest-Leverage Lever08:21 Modeling Offer Changes Before Testing14:30 Buy More, Save More Strategies22:12 Unit Economics & Supplier Negotiations26:47 Cash Flow vs. Margin: Which Matters More?30:21 The Truth About Creative35:38 Execution Is Not a Silver Bullet40:06 Final Turnaround AdviceEpisode LinksFree To Grow CFO: https://freetogrowcfo.com/Aplo Group: https://www.aplogroup.com/Jon Blair on Linkedin: / jonathon-albert-blair Dylan Byers on Linkedin: / dylan-byers-046010149

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Episode SummaryWelcome to the Ecom Scaling Show, brought to you by Free To Grow CFO and Aplo Group! Join hosts Jon Blair (Founder, Free to Grow CFO) and Dylan Byers (Co-founder, Aplo Group) as we dive into the crucial—yet often missing—link between marketing and finance in DTC e-commerce. In Episode 14, Jon and Dylan tackle one of the hardest conversations in the DTC space: how to decide when to keep going, raise capital or stay small. They explore the realities of scale, profitability, and what founders often get wrong when choosing between equity vs. debt financing. Is giving up ownership really worth it? And when does debt actually make more sense for a growing brand? This episode is a must-listen if you’re considering raising capital or questioning your brand’s future. Raw, honest, and full of strategic insights.Key Takeaways-Debt works best when cash flow is predictable and capital needs are temporary.-Investors today care far more about LTV and profitability than pure revenue growth.-The best brands create leverage through IP, strong branding, or operational advantages.00:00 Equity vs. Debt: The Dilemma06:52 Market Trends in Equity Raising10:39 When to Choose Equity Over Debt14:00 Understanding Debt: Temporary vs. Permanent Capital17:32 Market Conditions and Their Impact on Capital Raising21:18 The Role of LTV in Business Strategy24:39 Identifying Viable Products in the Market30:04 Creating Equity-Fundable BusinessesEpisode LinksFree To Grow CFO: https://freetogrowcfo.com/Aplo Group: https://www.aplogroup.com/Jon Blair on Linkedin: / jonathon-albert-blair Dylan Byers on Linkedin: / dylan-byers-046010149

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