I Got Your Number Hussy

Summary

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The Friend Zone Podcast

Episode: I Got Your Number Hussy
Release Date: September 10, 2025
Hosts: Dustin Ross, Hey Fran Hey (Francesca/Fran), Assanté
Network: Loud Speakers Network

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Episode Overview

In this episode of The Friend Zone, the hosts dive into the intersections of mental wealth, current events, and pop culture—anchored by a lively takedown of Young Thug’s latest controversies, deep-dishing on Netflix’s explosive “Unknown Number: The High School Catfish,” and an honest discussion on personal boundaries, seasonal wellness, and music. The crew’s signature candid humor is in full effect as they roast, relate, and reflect.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Young Thug Jail Call Dramas & Cultural Commentary

(00:56–13:27, again at 151:31+)

• Viral Leaked Jail Calls: Dustin introduces the central pop culture beef—Young Thug’s jail phone calls are leaking everywhere, with the community (and the internet) reacting to his “bumping his gums in jail on the phone, hating on everybody” (01:33).
• Young Thug’s Comments about Glorilla: Thug calling Glorilla “ugly” leads Dustin and Fran to roast his looks and call out the hypocrisy and misogyny in hip-hop discourse.
  • “[Thug] called Glorilla ugly… which means we can call him ugly now, right?” — Dustin (02:31)
• Problematic Interview Commentary: Discussion moves to Thug’s “bizarre” remarks on the Big Bank podcast about working with gay people and his convoluted ideas of masculinity.
  • “...if you gay, but you act like you're not gay... now I find out you gay, you ain't being a man.” — Quoting Thug (03:45)
  • “Young Thug, here's the thing. Since we're being truthful... you're ugly, okay? … you wear maxi dresses and you ugly. That's a toxic combination.” — Dustin (04:16)
• Call for Artists to “Shut Up and Sing”: The hosts argue that sometimes artists undermine their art by talking too much and airing prejudices. They highlight how staying quiet helped Gunna recover his image:
  • ”What worked for Gunna was that he didn’t say nothing. No interviews, no tweets, just albums… Let the work happen.” — Fran (11:43)

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2. “Unknown Number: The High School Catfish” — Netflix Doc Deep Dive

(78:33–134:13)

• Case Recap:

  • In a small Michigan town, 13-year-old Lauren and boyfriend Owen are subjected to hundreds of explicit, disturbing texts from a supposedly anonymous number.
  • Through investigation, it’s revealed the sender is Lauren’s own mother, Kendra—a massive betrayal that upends the community and the lives of the teens.

• Notable Moments:

  • The “robotic” voiceovers for the text messages draw comedic and alarmed reactions. (“Hey fat booty bitch, I can't wait to make Owen later on!” — 92:07)
  • The scale of the abuse and Kendra’s manipulation:
    • “She has been sending horrible texts… The worst things a parent, damn sure a mother, can say.” — Dustin (99:02)
  • The inadequate accountability and charges against Kendra, systemic failures, and lack of focus on her potential predation of Owen:
    • “Why was there not more focus on the fact that this woman was sexually attracted to a 13-year-old boy?” — Fran (109:31)
  • The Munchausen-by-proxy angle is discussed but largely dismissed by Dustin as giving too much of an “out” to the abuser.

• Critical Analysis:

  • The hosts challenge documentary director Sky Borgman’s choices, question what was left out, and stress the need for hard questions and public accountability.
  • Empathy for Lauren, who still wants her mom in her life, but agreement that society—especially the legal system—failed her.

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3. Community Life, Technology Woes & Black Joy

(13:27–37:53, scattered through 141:45)

• Tech Tangents: Self-driving car stories (Waymo/Atlanta), LiDAR camera risks, and concerns about tech’s impact on everyday life and privacy.
• Delivery Service Stories: Funny, relatable anecdotes about DoorDash/UberEats drop-offs, with podcast listeners unexpectedly delivering food to the hosts.
• Building/Rental Woes: Relatable rants about property management, valet trash, neighbor etiquette, and why some amenities aren’t worth the hype in big apartment complexes.

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4. Seasonal Wellness, Boundaries, & Digital Detox

(137:42–148:43)

• Seasonal Audit Advice: Fran shares her ritual of a thorough seasonal “audit” – cleaning out contacts, purging expired seasonings, tossing old underwear/socks, and clearing out negative energy to prep for fall.
  • “I sat for three hours and deleted one by one all those contacts… Now, it’s just the people I want to talk to.” — Fran (142:06)
• Mental Clutter and Adulting: The hosts joke about the mundane but essential life tasks that come with growing older—managing trash, neighbor conflicts, and home maintenance.

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5. Audience Feedback & Recap Segment

(63:52–70:38)

• Hosts shout out listener comments from Spotify and SoundCloud, such as food assistance tips and critiques of “professionalism” as a subjective workplace metric.
  • “I once successfully advocated for professionalism to be removed as a performance review standard at my workplace…” — Listener Darlin. Charlin (67:31)
• Updates about Patreon, upcoming group reads (“Midnight Library”), and recaps of previous episodes.

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6. Music Man & TV Land

(151:31–177:33)

• Music Highlights:
  • Discussion of Mariah the Scientist’s artistry, her vulnerable songwriting, and how Young Thug’s drama is overshadowing her music.
  • Playlists featuring Antoinette Henry (“Come Rain Or Come Shine”), Little Dragon, Amel Larrieux, Ella Mai, Lady Wray, Counting Crows.
  • Shoutouts to Cardi B, Gaga’s VMA performance, the rise of pop star Tate McRae, and TS Madison on the VMA red carpet.
• TV/Podcast Recs:
  • New podcast: “Humble Brag” with Cynthia Bailey & Crystal King Minkoff.
  • Dramatic OWN network reality (Love & Marriage: Huntsville, Bell Collective), “Damascus” on Tubi, group reads, and The Midnight Library.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Time | Quote | Speaker | |----------|-------|---------| | 02:31 | “Young Thug called Glorilla ugly. Now, I love Young Thug's music… But we're gonna focus, like I said, on two things. Number one, he called Glorilla ugly, which means we can call him ugly now, right?” | Dustin | | 04:16 | “Young Thug, here's the thing. Since we're being truthful, speaking honest… you're ugly, okay?... And you wear maxi dresses and you ugly. That's a toxic combination.” | Dustin | | 11:43 | “A lot of what I think worked for Gunna... is that he didn't say nothing. No interviews, no tweets, just albums. Good albums, good rollouts... Just shut up.” | Fran | | 63:04 | “A program called Double up food bucks. In Oregon, you can get 50% off farmer's market produce. That's incredible.” | Fran | | 92:07 | “And it sounded like Susan Sarandon was reading the voiceovers. That's what made it funny to me… ‘Hey fat booty bitch, I can't wait to make Owen later on!’” | Dustin | | 99:02 | “The mother is the one who's been sending all the text messages… the worst things that… a parent can say to a child, but damn sure a mother can say to a motherfucking daughter, right?” | Dustin | | 109:31 | “Why was there not more of a focus on the fact that this woman was sexually attracted to a 13-year-old boy?” | Fran | | 117:24 | “I am an empathetic person… I don't give no fucks about them saying that she had Munchausen… or whatever the fuck. I don't care about that.” | Dustin | | 121:40 | “Don't let that get lost on you... Don't let all the other information... overlook the weight of certain things. Don't ignore the words that this bitch was saying to her motherfucking daughter. Stay there with it.” | Dustin | | 142:06 | “I sat for three hours and deleted one by one all those contacts… Now, it's just the people I want to talk to.” | Fran |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Young Thug Discussion (Jail Calls & Interview Fallout): 01:04–13:27, revisit at 151:31+
• "Unknown Number: The High School Catfish" Deep Dive: 78:33–134:13
• Listener Feedback & Audience Segment: 63:52–70:38
• Seasonal Wellness & Purge: 137:42–148:43
• Music Man Segment (highlights, songs played): 151:31–177:33
• TV Land/Reality Shows/Podcast Recs: 181:27–185:40

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Tone, Energy, and Flow

The hosts deftly balance humor with gravity, especially in recapping the darker topics of community scandals and parental abuse. Even the jokier segments—like roasting Young Thug or marveling at public access TV titillation—are underpinned by thoughtful social commentary and camaraderie. Listener voices are woven in naturally, providing both comic relief and genuine resource-sharing.

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For Newcomers & Takeaways

If you missed the episode, just know:

• The hosts remain ruthlessly honest and deeply empathetic, calling out injustice and hypocrisy, but also celebrating Black joy, self-care, and community resilience.
• Their viral take on Young Thug’s jail calls and the “Unknown Number” doc will have you laughing, gasping, and side-eyeing with them.
• You’ll walk away with wellness inspiration, a stellar playlist, and maybe a reminder to clean out your contacts… and your seasoning cabinet.

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Takeaways:

• Truth-telling without mincing words — from pop culture outrage to small town scandals, accountability is a constant drumbeat.
• Wellness = boundaries + intentionality — audit your digital life, your home, your friendships, and your mind.
• Pop culture isn’t just for fun — it’s reflective of deeper societal currents and ongoing fights for dignity, safety, and joy.

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(End of summary)

Transcript

[Francesca (Fran)]

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[Asante]

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[Francesca (Fran)]

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[Asante]

Sign what?

[Francesca (Fran)]

The app. Yeah, sure. Oh, that means so much. Oh, it rubbed off the screen when I touched it. Could you sign it again? Anything to help, I suppose. You're the best.

[Asante]

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[Dustin Ross]

Welcome to the Friends.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Every time I'm in the zone.

[Dustin Ross]

My name is Dustin.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm Francesca, also known as K. Friend.

[Asante]

Hey, my name is Asante. This is the Friend Zone.

[Dustin Ross]

Let's start the show.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Okay, I got your number.

[Dustin Ross]

That's right. I got your number, hussy. And we all have this hussy's number apparently this week, because we all been on the phone with the. And I'm talking about none other than Young. Okay? No, I got your number, hussy. I got your number. Just like Dion said, huh? Okay, I got your number, hussy, because we got Jeffrey's number. Now here's the thing.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Omg.

[Dustin Ross]

All these jail calls, you know what I'm saying, are leaking. Everybody's coming back with all this information from Young thug bumping his gums in jail on the phone. I'm talking about going. We all gossip with our friends and family. We all have conversations that are private. But that motherfucker was bumping gums.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Someone on Twitter said, he ain't come back Muslim. He ain't come back with no muscle. He ain't put us on book to read.

[Dustin Ross]

He just was on the damn phone. That's it. They put this. They put his face on the picture from Summer Walker's project where she's on that phone. They put his face on there. It's all kind of going on now. This is my thing. Say what you want to say, talk about what you want to talk about, but deal with the consequences. Two things have happened that we're going to focus on here today. Number one, in those jail calls that were leaked Young Thug said that Glorilla was ugly.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Crazy work ugly.

[Dustin Ross]

Young Thug called Glorilla ugly. Now, I love Young Thug's music. Y' all know that I met Young Thug before. He was actually really cool in person. He probably talked about me like a dog after I left, but he was. He was cool in person. You know what I'm saying? And I just was surprised to see this bitch assness coming out of him on the phone, hating on every body. But we're gonna focus, like I said, on two things. Number one, he called Glorilla ugly, which means we can call him ugly now, right? So number two, and then called her twin. Yeah, twin, which tweet, you know, but that's Atlanta slang. Whatever. But I. It means something. And it mean y' all look alike where I'm from, but they don't because she's pretty. Now, here's the thing. Young Thug recently did an interview. After all this came out, he did an interview on the Big bank podcast, right? And in this interview, Young Thug was quoted. It gets worse every time. Every, every chance, Young Thug is given the mic to speak and not to rap or sing or whatever y' all think he does, there's a problem. We don't need. This is where the line needs to be drawn between the art, the artist, and shutting the up.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It was a terrible idea.

[Dustin Ross]

Him talking has made it 100 worse. Of course, you know where I'm going with this. During the interview, he says to the interviewer, yeah, you know, that's just like if you come to me and you present yourself as a man and then I find out you gay, I don't want nothing to do with you. I ain't got nothing wrong, nothing against gay people like that or whatever. I just. If you not gay, if you gay, but you act like you're not gay, now I find out you gay, you ain't being a man, but you know that. Oh, okay.

[Francesca (Fran)]

What does that have to do? What? What?

[Dustin Ross]

Okay, now here's the thing, though, right? You said that you work with gay people. He said that he love. He don't have nothing against LGBT plus people. He said that he has. He work with gay people every day on his team. Work with gay people. They cool. You know what I'm saying? But the people that come around don't want to tell me that they gay. And then I found out you gay. Nah, you ain't moving like no man. Well, Young Thug, here's the thing. Since we're being truthful, speaking honest like he was on the phone you're ugly, okay? So maybe the gay niggas around you are keeping it a secret because you're ugly. And you wear pleated skirts, you know what I'm saying? You wear maxi dresses, basketball wives dresses, and you ugly. That's a toxic combination, you know what I'm saying? And we don't want none. So maybe they're not telling you. Maybe they're lying to you about being gay because your ass is ugly, okay? And they don't want you liking them. Jeffrey. Okay, Asante, bed it up. Bed it up. She peacock with the feathers, okay? Just like he said. He's always spreading his tail. Always, always got to put on a show, you know what I'm saying? We don't tell you you're gay because you act gay and you ugly. And we don't want the two conflating. We don't want you fucking with us. You look like the type to keep a secret anyway, okay? You look like you've been drinking, popping, you're supposed to be drinking water, you know what I'm saying? Young thug literally looks like his baby bottles had Mountain Dew in them, you know what I'm saying? That's what he looks like. Like, he always has a secret to keep, so stay off the gate.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Obviously not.

[Dustin Ross]

Hello. And if we didn't, we know who got all the information, right? Mariah, who was sitting on the phone.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Like, oh, not only that, but can we talk about the fact that he. The clip. I heard of him laughing, telling his homeboy about cheating on her that just.

[Dustin Ross]

The day before he left.

[Francesca (Fran)]

No, it's been nothing.

[Dustin Ross]

15 days. It's been one month and 15 days. That's how he was talking on the phone.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And he go.

[Dustin Ross]

Let that go. It's been one month, 15 days. He's like, damn, young thug, first of all, why do you talk like a good Tiesman? Why do you talk like a guitar when you're on the phone?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yo, Whoever did this is so organized and as the kids say, diabolical because they just listen. First of all, think how many hours of content they had to sift through. Make very short clips that got to the point of what, like their point of attack. And then they spread it out calmly. Today is about future. Today is Baba riot. Today is about good. I mean, they organize evil precision. That is scary that someone had this type of time.

[Dustin Ross]

And I mean, he talking about everybody in the kill court. Literally, it stopped everybody.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I wonder what happened that it stopped. Or maybe the person felt they did enough.

[Dustin Ross]

They might have took the weekend Off. They might be back at it today.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You right. Today's only time of the week, so we'll see.

[Dustin Ross]

My thing is, leave gay people on. Y' all always got something to say about gay people till you want to steal some shit that we normally do. Who would it have to do in anything Fashion. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? You look like. He look like he walking down that back hallway with Ellie the elephant in them. He look like he played for the New York Liberty. That's what Young Thug look like. He look like he playing the wnb. He look just like some of them players that be coming down that hallway with them outfits on and shit.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Don't even put that on them.

[Dustin Ross]

Them WNBA players. That's the thing. So Young Thug, leave us alone, okay? We left you alone. We supported you in that trial. That. That mess of a trial. You know what I'm saying? We covered it. We didn't talk about you. I have never talked about him bad on this show like that.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You genuinely enjoyed him as an artist. So I know you was trying to keep it P. But the part I tried to listen to that interview, I turned it on. And when the guy said, what's your earliest memory?

[Dustin Ross]

Click, I'm outta here. Okay. What kind of question is that?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Uh. O. They might as well let Nene do it. Get that far, right? It was Nene Leakes.

[Dustin Ross]

Speaking of tug. Okay, so that's it. Just had to handle that real quick. Cause I wasn't gonna let that slide. Them comments that he made. You know what I'm saying?

[Asante]

You see?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Can we please name this episode Leaks. Leaks.

[Dustin Ross]

Yes, we can. Leaks. Nene Leakes. Hit it. Asante Leaks. Nene Leakes, which comes from a song on Barter six. What was the mixtape? Was it the Barter six?

[Asante]

Yeah, it was Barter six. I can never remember which songs specifically, but it was on Barter 6.

[Dustin Ross]

It literally sounded like that.

[Francesca (Fran)]

L E L E K E S E S. Yep. Okay. Leaks. Nene leaks.

[Asante]

Yep.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You said say that again without the.

[Asante]

E on one of them. On one of them or both of them. Because, you know, since them call leaked. Call leaked. Them calls leaked.

[Dustin Ross]

So.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Wow. Y' all think I was. You know how I am. I was like, y' all think he's at home crying?

[Dustin Ross]

No.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Scared and anxious?

[Dustin Ross]

He at home with some new bitches?

[Asante]

Yeah, he got some other.

[Dustin Ross]

He got some girls over that house right now.

[Asante]

Some other girls that don't even give a fuck.

[Dustin Ross]

You really think that Walmart Ross said the crib crying? Yes. Yes.

[Asante]

Girls in that lifestyle can I absolutely think that.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Cause I feel like he's at home so sad right now, just crying and anxious.

[Dustin Ross]

Please.

[Asante]

He is out of here.

[Francesca (Fran)]

This is beautiful. How does he come back from this?

[Dustin Ross]

The other day he tweeted this. A time when supposed to look at the good you did, not the bad.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, God.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, that's what he tweeted the other day. So I guess because he bought somebody a car and some shoes. Yeah, like, no, thank you. So anyways, that's the young Thug update with that being said. Welcome to the friend zone. You're weekly looking all these mental health, mental wellness and mental phone records. Okay. Cause who in the hell want they jail called with Young thug leak. I know I don't. You know what I'm saying? Because I would have had a. You like to talk. I'd have had you going, you know what I'm saying? We'd have been on that phone running, take your hand, lift your. But they don't wear scrubs. What do they. What do you call it? What do prisoners wear? It's not scrubs. I thought put your prison scrubs up. You know what I'm saying?

[Asante]

Yeah, I wish that could be the name of it.

[Dustin Ross]

I had them on that phone going, you know what I'm saying? You got your hair in a ponytail. Please can you put your big toe in your mouth and take a picture?

[Asante]

Oh my God, please.

[Dustin Ross]

I done made that work. You ain't got else to do. Young Thug man, sing a song. This is what I mean about these artists. Sing a song and shut up. If you're not using your voice for change in the world, if you're not using your voice to make a difference and stop some bullshit going on in the government or in ways ways that can impact your community for the good, shut the up, okay? Because we don't give a what you think about nothing. We like the way your song sound. And you need to understand that what the. What the ask is from the audience for you as an artist. We don't give a what you think about nothing. We didn't need to know you thought that about gorilla because we don't think that. And you didn't piss us all off because gorilla don't bother nobody, okay? She's just trying to do her thing.

[Francesca (Fran)]

A lot of what I think worked for Gunna when, you know, the audience was kind of turning on him initially.

[Dustin Ross]

Was that he looked like Dr. Heavenly.

[Francesca (Fran)]

No. Is that he didn't say nothing. Literally. No interviews, no tweets, just albums. Good Albums, good rollouts, touring, videos, visuals, touring. What he do? He just let the work happen. I think people don't understand the importance of that. Just shut up.

[Dustin Ross]

Shut up.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Look at him now. Well, look at him now. Even in the middle of all this. What's he doing? Running a 5K.

[Dustin Ross]

Oh, gunning. Yes, running his mouth, gunner. 5K. He started a run club in it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, run club. And was it. Wasn't he like showing a workout during the VMAs? Like how he gets prepared. I'm. I'm talking. And look how he looked. Looks. He looks healthy.

[Dustin Ross]

Your mama to Dr. Simone. Oh my God, your mama.

[Asante]

Your ugly ass mama.

[Dustin Ross]

That's what he looks like. Y' all know Grandma looks like Dr. Heavenly. They look just alive. Gunner for Georgia, running it just like that. That picture that Dr. Heavenly using for her political campaign. Anywho, I did and I already got to replace the screen protector because it hit the floor a couple times and it's cracked at the bottom so I gotta swipe up on the left edge. It's so ghetto. So I don't scratch my finger. I got to go to the Apple store. I've been through a lot.

[Asante]

This is, this is so random. But y' all know how we were talking about those. I was telling you about the waymos in Atlanta.

[Dustin Ross]

Yes. I feel like I've hit by one. Go ahead.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm scared.

[Asante]

Well, be careful. Don't put your camera. Don't. Well, I don't know if it's the wayo specifically, but don't put your point your camera phone at like something that has LIDAR. I was watching one of those YouTubers. Don't be telling the laser. Infrared detecting and I don't remember what the LIDAR stands for, but it's the imaging detection system that they use in self driving vehicles. But sorry, YouTube.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah. He's huge in the text.

[Dustin Ross]

Yes.

[Asante]

Yeah, so he was showing his iPhone camera where he was like showing a video and or pictures and had these little specks in them. But it's because he films or he records with his phone and he recorded one of these cars that had that LiDAR thing at the top of it and he felt like those specs came from that. So because you were talking about your phone and your screen, I was like, well now we got to be careful of our cameras and where we pointing them because that will. It'll literally mess up the lens to where when you take future pictures there are like these little specks. Like I guess what?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yes, I need to.

[Dustin Ross]

I need what the is that car.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Pushing out then that's some scary.

[Asante]

I was like, is this kind of cracking video? Cracking my damn phone.

[Francesca (Fran)]

How strange.

[Asante]

It is strange. Like, you know how sometimes TVs will get dead pixels and they'll be like those little white spots. It's like those little white spots were kind of speckled throughout his camera lens. And I was like, that's fucked up. Like, they were really fine, but you know when you, like, zoom into a photo, like, you can really see them shit. So I was like, oh, bottom line.

[Dustin Ross]

Stay away from them cars. Ain't got nobody driving.

[Asante]

Stay away from.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Have y' all been in one yet?

[Asante]

No.

[Dustin Ross]

What you think? Absolutely not.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I mean, Asante. You know, I feel like he would be the one.

[Asante]

I would. If the. I wouldn't under different circumstances. Again, I've only seen him in Atlanta, and I know how niggas in Atlanta drive. So it's like, I'm not gonna be in a vehicle that won't let me get out until the ride is completed and the car is upside down on fire. That's all I be thinking about. I be thinking about niggas flying down in the Charger like. Like drag racing and shit.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You can't get out till the ride is completed.

[Asante]

Well, from what I've been told.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I don't know. That just, like, made me feel something.

[Asante]

From what I've been like. The door might be available for you to open at your leisure, but I've been told that you cannot open that door until something's been tapped or notifications been dangerous.

[Dustin Ross]

I seen a spinning in circles in the parking lot. He was in the parking lot in the car. The waymo was just doing donuts. Did y' all see that? There's a guy in the back of a car. He was like, this car will not stop that. He was doing donuts and in the waymo. And he was so.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I would have pissed myself. Are you kidding?

[Dustin Ross]

Because what you gonna do.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Going live on ig. Like, look at this.

[Dustin Ross]

And if this mother talking about Atlanta, if that car don't know how to see them water boys. Can you see that? You know what I'm saying? Because if it goes plowing through the intersection. I don't know.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, my God.

[Dustin Ross]

No, thank you, man.

[Francesca (Fran)]

They have them. Do they have them in New York yet or.

[Dustin Ross]

I haven't seen any.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That probably wouldn't safe. I would imagine it ain't even safe.

[Dustin Ross]

With a live driver here, right?

[Asante]

If they demon safe in Atlanta, I feel like it'd be safe in New York, because New York, since it's so much city, it's tighter, so the. It's a. Speed limits are lower. So I feel like that's why they tested it out in Atlanta.

[Dustin Ross]

They said that that's what makes me more nervous though, Tay, because it's more.

[Asante]

Well, that's what makes going.

[Dustin Ross]

And more for the car to be aware of here, you know what I'm saying? Well, more people.

[Asante]

So that's why I feel like they're teaching. That's why they're trying to teach the cars the sensor. So that's why I was like, I feel like New York would be a good city because there is more people. Like, yes, it's more liability, but it's also more information, if you will. So when in Atlanta, when people are walking by, because they have a little carts down that do your deliveries too. Those move, those move like really slow.

[Dustin Ross]

I hate them. I'll be seeing them in la, thinking I'm being followed.

[Asante]

I haven't got anything in it, but in my mind it's like, if my food can make it from point A to point B in that, sure. Because honestly, this is gonna sound so terrible. I'm tired of when I get deliveries now. It's always like not just one person and it's not even the fact that it's like people with their kids, but it's like it's always more than one person. So it's like sometimes the people personate kids, sometimes it's the old man and his daughter.

[Dustin Ross]

Kids are going that bad now. If you drop my foot off and you got some kids with you, I'm not gonna make a big deal out of it. Cause obviously you had to do what you had to do, right? Little kids don't know how to read the name on the bag and all they smell is fries. So they gonna go in that bag, you know what I'm saying? I think it's a toy in there to get with their meal. And they don't know.

[Asante]

My issue is because you. Cause you're right. Like it happens. It happens sometimes at the wrong times. I'm like, yeah, it's 11:30 at night. Like why is your.

[Dustin Ross]

Why are you inside?

[Francesca (Fran)]

It be hard like that though.

[Asante]

It do be hard like that. It's just that sometimes it's like I think about safety because some, some people don't speak English. So like one time I had like. It was like an older man and a younger woman with him, but she was like in her 20s maybe. And my mom like they just run up in this. Like.

[Dustin Ross]

Like they trying to get sound like they had somewhere to go, but do.

[Asante]

They both need to come to the door? That's what I'm like, why couldn't he.

[Dustin Ross]

Like, her company, you know, stay overnight?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Maybe she was his translator, just.

[Asante]

And that's what I'm saying. So, like, there are things where it's like, I get it, but it's also.

[Dustin Ross]

Like, will it ever end?

[Asante]

Like, where does the butt stop?

[Dustin Ross]

You know, my way to be a good customer in situations that involve customer service. Right, right.

[Asante]

Cause it's just about being a good person.

[Dustin Ross]

Exactly. Especially here, people deliver your shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, people do a lot of walking, and I know they deal with a lot of fucked up personalities, you know what I'm saying? All day long. I can only imagine. Right, right. So I try to go out of my way to, like, be nice.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

Friendly, you know? Y a good tip.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right.

[Dustin Ross]

Say thank you. Tip good.

[Asante]

Yep.

[Dustin Ross]

You know, I don't know.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You know what I forgot to tell y'. All. Over the summer, one of our listeners actually delivered.

[Asante]

It happened to me, too.

[Dustin Ross]

That's never happened to me.

[Asante]

This is the first time it's happened to me.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Mind you, it's happening to me here, which I would have never thought. I would think in New York it would happen a lot more often, but here. And it was so funny because the boys had jumped off the porch to grab the food from us. And I think she recognized my voice when I was telling them, like, chill, chill, like, you know, don't hover over her. Like, just be respectful. And they, like, were like, thank you. You know, and then she sees me and I smile. I saw her face because she kind of put all the pieces of everything, like, oh, the boys, it was so cute. And she smiled. She kind of was like, shout out to her.

[Dustin Ross]

Shout out to her.

[Francesca (Fran)]

But I saw that she was trying to be cool, you know, like, let me not make things weird. This is her home. But that made me laugh because I respected that. She didn't make weird for the kids and nothing for me. So that's always fun.

[Dustin Ross]

Shout out to her, man. Shout out to you.

[Francesca (Fran)]

She was very.

[Dustin Ross]

You know what else? When I was on tour this summer, everybody, like, all the people that would come be in the audience and the people who did the meet and greet, they was all like, mad respectful. I ain't never had no issues of, like, no psycho, you know what I'm saying? Weird motherfuckers. When people come up to me, they be mad Respectful. Like, part of that is because of Kid Fury and Crystal's ass talking about their fan interaction.

[Francesca (Fran)]

People be scared.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah. I think the people be kind of nervous to like say what's up? But I'll be wanting people to say hi like, so I can say thank you for listening. You know what I'm saying?

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's always the funniest when I'm out with Crystal because they know we're very different. So they'll look at me and be like, I already know. I can't. Can I hug you? I'm like, you good?

[Asante]

That is funny. Crystal is so funny.

[Francesca (Fran)]

She cracks me up.

[Asante]

Yeah. That happened to me for the first time moving here in New York. It doesn't happen when people do deliveries because, you know, it's a certain type of delivery person in New York. But everywhere else, you know, we out here trying to get it so you see people. But I seen a girl out here, she was so sweet when. So sweet when she came, but she's like, ah. And I was like, thank you, girl. Because I really needed that food. So I was really. Because she found it quick too. For whatever reason, people have trouble finding certain spaces when they're not that hard. And so she.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, I told you that happens to me a lot over here.

[Asante]

When she found it too, I was like, thank you, girl. Like. Cause in my mind I'm thinking like, I knew it wasn't this hard. And so when she was like, oh my God, you, I was just so grateful I ain't have to like have no hassle. So girl, if you listening, thank you again.

[Francesca (Fran)]

But you know, the listeners wrote in saying that it has a lot to do with their IN app gps. That's like it just be sending them to wrong places all the time.

[Dustin Ross]

Really?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Cause we had talked about this before and I got a few comments on Patreon and DMs of people being like, it's not always us fucking up. Sometimes it's the app people, literally.

[Asante]

But I mean, I'm talking about. Cause you know, I live in an apartment building. I mean like when they're in the building, like you know which one to go to. Cuz sometimes the numbers on. Sometimes the numbers are confusing because in my last building, I got it. I understood it was huge.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Your last building would have been. I wouldn't even have gone in.

[Dustin Ross]

That was a campus. It was a campus.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right?

[Asante]

This building is not like that last building.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right. It's building.

[Asante]

I get it. The last building, that. That was the price I paid. Like I just have to do this. There was a doorman and everything, and the doorman wasn't helpful.

[Dustin Ross]

I got it behind the. The reception desk. Yes. Was that a water feature or was it like.

[Asante]

Yep, it was a water feature. Well, so they were. It was like they were attached to these string lights, and it's like the.

[Dustin Ross]

Water would come down. Oh, so nice. Yeah. I just remember thinking again, like, Tanisha had the bad girls house.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Remember it had its own market and, like, dry cleaning.

[Asante]

Yep. It was a city on the roof.

[Dustin Ross]

The roof type was a city slate.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I love those types of buildings, though. I know some people think when they're done. Well, yeah. If they follow through with the amenities. Because sometimes it'd just be a bunch of that they don't even ever do anything with.

[Asante]

Yes.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Like my last building in New York.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Terrible last minute.

[Asante]

And it sucks when buildings like that come up because that. That particular type of building, like, it was like a new. Was that a new build or was that like a. Was it renovated?

[Francesca (Fran)]

No, because it looked like.

[Asante]

Yeah, because I was gonna say it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Looked like a new person in that.

[Asante]

Apartment, but when you told me about that flooding or whatever, I was like, what the.

[Francesca (Fran)]

No, my apartment was. That's probably the best apartment I had. But the management. Right, the management.

[Asante]

It's always the management that'll take you out.

[Francesca (Fran)]

How. How do you pay this much and live like this?

[Dustin Ross]

And.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And the management sucks, honestly.

[Asante]

How?

[Dustin Ross]

Somebody's climbing up here to steal my bike. How.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Get me started.

[Asante]

But you know what? That's honestly one of the reasons why I can't. Because I can't think about moving back to Atlanta because there's so many beautiful buildings. But they coming to get me. I done committed to sin, child.

[Dustin Ross]

We got siren sirens in the house. Hey.

[Asante]

Hey. A year in and you finally got you some. No, I'm just kidd. Um, I think about how property managers are in Atlanta. Like, I see all of the reviews on shit, and those are beautiful properties that if you manage it bad for a week, it can look terrible. And the reason why. Oh, you know what? I've been waiting to talk about this, and I hate it so bad.

[Dustin Ross]

Talk about it.

[Asante]

There is one thing that I hate about Atlanta. And it's not just Atlanta. They have them here too. But it's like a lot of places in Atlanta got them as far as apartments are concerned. Valet trash.

[Dustin Ross]

Have you heard?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah.

[Asante]

Do you know what valet trash is, Dustin?

[Dustin Ross]

No.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Mm.

[Asante]

Fran. Okay, so I'm so tight thinking about it, I can't even, like. So certain Places they either have, they either give you access to a trash chute or they don't. But they, when you pay for waste removal, it includes like a garbage can that they give you. Or sometimes you just leave your trash simply outside your apartment unit and the building is in charge of collecting your trash, like on certain days. Okay, but you're literally, you know, some apartments are, the units are they have outside facing hallways, but some of them are, you know, like buildings like the last building I live in. So imagine just you walking down the hallway and they're just trash bags sitting outside each unit. And sometimes people don't, they don't come.

[Francesca (Fran)]

To get them on time.

[Asante]

So sometimes they don't come to get them, sometimes they don't come to get them on time. Sometimes maintenance is, sometimes they're petty. And if you do something wrong, like let's say you're supposed to put out one, maybe two bags max. Let's say you put out three bags or you didn't close your bag properly, they leave that there.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, my God.

[Asante]

Now, while that is funny, I never.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Understood the concept of valet.

[Asante]

I hate it. I, I so it's like physically have to go look at apartments in every, like, city and place just to be sure. Like, like y' all don't do valet trash, right? Like, there are like, questions I have to ask to make sure. Yeah, because, you know, you, it's one thing to live in your unit, but your neighbors, what they do outside their unit, you know, you can't control. So if they are leaving trash that.

[Dustin Ross]

Attracts or plus, trash is not something you can schedule. Right. You got to take the trash out when it's time to take the trash out. If you taking it out on Tuesdays, I'm not just gonna have a house full of stinking ass garbage sitting around waiting on you for Tuesday. Trash is personal, and it's not something you can schedule. You should always have access to getting rid of your trash in your unit.

[Asante]

Always.

[Dustin Ross]

That's crazy. We only get in trash on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Bitch, please my train today.

[Francesca (Fran)]

My trash complaint has to do. I think I mentioned this before. The white people that walk their dogs put the shit in the little green bags and then throw it in my bin.

[Dustin Ross]

No.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And they do that because they basically throw it in whoever's been close to their walk. And I just think that's so fucking rude when you know that trash only gets picked up once a week. Why do you think it's okay to put shit in a bag in someone's trash bin? I think that's so entire.

[Dustin Ross]

I'm gonna get you a neon sign made. Y' all know I love a neon sign. I'm gonna get a neon sign made and say, don't put no shit in my trash. I'm gonna get you.

[Francesca (Fran)]

No. People put, like, no soliciting on their front doors. I needed something. No shit bags. Because I think it's so fucking like, we are so angry about it at this point that my partner literally yesterday had a breakdown about it. He was like, if I catch. He was like, I just want to catch him. I just want to be riding up. He was like, I just want to pull up to the house right as they are putting it. And he was like, I'm going to fucking go crazy. I was like, please, first of all, we don't have to yell at nobody. You could just say, don't do that.

[Dustin Ross]

That.

[Francesca (Fran)]

He was like, no, you have to. They can tell all their white friends neighborhood about the blood them on such and such block. And they are.

[Asante]

Everybody knows.

[Francesca (Fran)]

They'll never throw chat because it's so disgusting, y'. All. Like, we was literally mashed up green bags of at the very bottom of our trash bin because it gets.

[Dustin Ross]

And then we clean that up.

[Francesca (Fran)]

We have to, like, find a way.

[Asante]

To get that clean up, dog.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's so up to me that we have to thr. Be concerned about the con is.

[Dustin Ross]

And furthermore is the dirtiest thing that you can. It's shit.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So you put.

[Dustin Ross]

You take that shit to your shit.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Get a bigger bag and keep putting the little teeny green bags of shit in it. Or I don't know.

[Dustin Ross]

We don't have no dog over here. We flush eyes. So all this shit management you doing, you can do that on your property? Yes. You might have to put a little lock or something on your.

[Francesca (Fran)]

We were thinking what we need to do because it's like a chain and a lot out of hand. And then we were talking to our neighbor, one of our neighbors, and they were like, oh, well, that's just like. That's just, you know how it is in these. She was saying that that's just how it is. Like, people walk and they throw it in the guards because we don't have, like. Like, you know, public garbage bins on the corners like you do in New York, where, like, everyone can just kind.

[Asante]

Of throw out trash, putting them little doggy waste garbage bag things on the something, man.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Because it's just. To me, that's so up. And it's.

[Dustin Ross]

You get you a chain, you got to go old school, you know? You know what? You should get a club. You remember the club you put on your car so they don't steal it? You should put a club on your trash thing so they can't put no shit bags in your trash. That's ridiculous.

[Asante]

What was that? Car alarm system? The Viper. You should get you a Viper. Oh my God.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Protected by Viper. Stand back.

[Dustin Ross]

Or do something. Put some bear mace on that and hook it up so it can open up and spray them and the dog be out there in distress.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That would be so.

[Asante]

Oh my God.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Until I forget and I open it.

[Dustin Ross]

I know what the ocean.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I forgot adulting. This is literally what adults have to worry about now.

[Asante]

Yep.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So funny. Who knew I'd be worried about dog Dog.

[Dustin Ross]

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[Asante]

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[Francesca (Fran)]

Anyway, we went off on a long tangent.

[Dustin Ross]

We did.

[Asante]

Yes.

[Francesca (Fran)]

How are you guys feeling? What'd you guys do this weekend?

[Dustin Ross]

Your faith, the fact that all three of us just looked at me. I even looked at my own square just now on the damn screen. How is he doing? We all concerned about me. Even me. But anyway, you know what? Let's talk about the positive, shall we?

[Francesca (Fran)]

So let's do that.

[Dustin Ross]

I got to see one of my best friends this weekend. I love you so much, Montrell. Y' all remember? Y' all remember? I got to see Montrell this weekend. We spent time together. Yes. It was just. It was renewing for my soul.

[Asante]

You know what I'm saying? So I know you always have fun.

[Dustin Ross]

You know, that's one of my first. Matrel was literally one of the. The first friends I made in New York when I moved here. He was one of my first New York best friends. Yes. And multi year, you know, we've been friends, like I said, for over 15 years at this point.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Wow.

[Dustin Ross]

It is what it is. So it was very good to see my friend and catch up with him. We went to brunch like we always used to do. You know what I'm saying? We just had just such a good time. So that was good for me this weekend.

[Asante]

Good.

[Dustin Ross]

And that's where it's gonna stop.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And that's all that needs to be said. Wait, it's 15 years for you in New York?

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, this year. So maybe so.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Excuse me.

[Dustin Ross]

It'll be 14 years for him and I. Because I make 15 years this December.

[Francesca (Fran)]

How crazy. I make four years in Portland next month.

[Dustin Ross]

I can't believe four years.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It don't seem like I moved four years ago.

[Dustin Ross]

No, but it. And you know what else? That makes me feel bad. Cause I haven't been out to Portland to see. Every time we've seen each other, you've come to where I am. I'm here to come to Portland. I'm gonna come to Portland.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You absolutely do. I've only had. Only Cecily and Claude have come out and they. Cecily ended up moving here. That's how much she loved it. Even though she left already. But I get it. And then Claude. Claude low key was like, I'm gonna get a place here. He loved it so damn much. Like, I think when people come here, they start realizing like, oh, I get it. Cause you would never fucking think that. That I actually saw real quick that California, Oregon and I believe Hawaii are going to create their own health alliance to try to move away from RFK's policies and his madness. And they're trying to create and basically break off from the rest of the country's health administration. I don't know how they can do that legally, but it said so much to me.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah. At least they give a damn. And they're trying to pinch the. You know what I'm saying? That's. That's where we at with it. Shout out to those governors for doing what the. They're so. They're literally supposed to do.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

And Kathy Hochul. Get your ass in the paint too. I saw Kathy Hochul speaking as a New Yorker. I saw her about the free lunch.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right?

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah. The way what she did about the free lunch. Making sure that those students could still eat for public school work.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Governor Hochul, let's clap for that good work that made my heart so happy. Public school kids will not have free breakfast and free lunch. Moving forward.

[Dustin Ross]

Thank you, Lord.

[Francesca (Fran)]

This is the.

[Dustin Ross]

That we shouldn't even have to worry about. But.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right.

[Dustin Ross]

Thank you.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Thank you.

[Dustin Ross]

I also saw a dumbass school down and where was it? Where was it? Let me see if I can look it up now. But there was a school that recently. We just got a lot to talk about today, so whatever. But there was a school that recently went viral for. They issued a. They put a meme out on their social media saying, and by the way, no edges. Edges are banned.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, it was Jamaica.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah. To worry about.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I saw that. It was a flyer saying that edges styled edges were banned.

[Dustin Ross]

That was so weird and dumb and fucking stupid to me. Like, what the fuck you mean? You know what I'm saying?

[Francesca (Fran)]

I saw that. But I'm not surprised because you gotta think of in the Caribbean, you know, a lot of the colonizer mentality that kind of still ingrained in a lot of people's ideals. And so. So that's not surprising.

[Dustin Ross]

This is how they capt. They wrote the caption which includes emojis. So first of all, I have an Issue with official communication from official outlets, including emojis.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right.

[Dustin Ross]

That's not serious to me.

[Francesca (Fran)]

But anyway, even the little cartoon flyer. I'm like, this seems so.

[Dustin Ross]

And like the White House. It makes sense because there are idiots running it. But the White House has been doing that.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

They're putting out memes and dumb shit. That is so. It just takes the legitimacy out of whatever you're trying to message. You know what I'm saying? These are official communication channels. You know what I'm saying? Have some fucking class. But anyway.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Gifts of Trump this damn school.

[Dustin Ross]

It's an all girls school. St. Andrews High School in Jamaica. I just want to read what the fuck? So first of all, for those on Patreon, you can see the meme right here.

[Francesca (Fran)]

How insane.

[Dustin Ross]

And now you can see how my screen is cracked down here at the bottom. So I gotta scroll up right here. I gotta handle that day. But anyway, the captain says they said with the red strike emoji. It says, remember students with the exclamation point which should have been a colon. That's what I mean. Like, why would you even remember students? And then end it. Please be advised that wearing edges and they use quotes is now officially banned on campus. Remember, curtains belong in the house, not on foreheads. With an exclamation point and an emoji that's smiling with a drop of water indicating sweat, I guess. And it says, let's keep our looks neat and school ready. School dash. They put a hyphen between school and ready. Who the. If the copy isn't even right, why should I give a. About your rule?

[Asante]

You know?

[Dustin Ross]

And of all the things to worry about. Problems a all girls school in Jamaica. And this is what y' all worried about? Banning edges? Give me a break. This is what happens when you get.

[Francesca (Fran)]

To worry about in the standings. You focus.

[Dustin Ross]

All girls school in Jamaica.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right. Right.

[Dustin Ross]

Where women are not encouraged to be headstrong. Okay.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And all the things women face nowadays. Let's talk about sex trafficking. Sex pressure.

[Dustin Ross]

Like, do you hear me?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Force.

[Dustin Ross]

So my thing is what adult with an ax to grind was responsible for even introducing this rule? Making sure that it. These are. This is approved by somebody. Somebody had this idea, presented it to whoever and pushed for it to go through. That's the. We need to get fired. Right there. The dumbass. That of all the things which you just were easily able to rattle off. Fran. Just. Just thinking, well, these could be possibly things that are going on because I've heard this. And you just rattled them off serious and they talking about no edges and using emojis. Kiss my ass, man.

[Francesca (Fran)]

These are about college prep. Anything else? Oh, my God.

[Asante]

Sorry.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm not. I'm honestly not surprised, though.

[Dustin Ross]

I just cannot. Anyway, that's it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Lastly, in another tangent, Portland was the next city that Trump.

[Dustin Ross]

Oh, I've seen that. I've seen. Once you mentioned it to me, I started looking for stuff that was going on.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So what Trump has been doing in D.C. with the National Guard and federal agents patrolling the street because of. Of unrest or whatever he's making up to be able to do this, he's claiming that Portland may be the next city because we. A lot of people have been protesting.

[Asante]

That's it.

[Dustin Ross]

That's what.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, they've been. Portland is that type of city. You know, they're on the streets protesting. They are not sitting by watching him do all this shit and not saying anything about it. And he is pissed about it. And using that as an excuse to say that the city is what's. I forget the term he used. I forget the term he used to describe us. Something like riots or whatever. And he claimed that we needed to be wiped out. His exact words.

[Dustin Ross]

He need to wipe his ass. That's what he needs to do.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So, of course, you know, I was like, oh, shit. It's the last thing we need, especially as black people living here, because of course we're gonna be targeted, so.

[Dustin Ross]

And you moved there for peace.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Pray for Portland. I moved here for peace.

[Dustin Ross]

Peace, yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And so pray for Portland, pray for D.C. pray for Portland and pray for Chicago, which is the other city that he's considering as well. And whatever other city he pulls out of his ass with whatever it is that he has planned, obviously, but pray for it. Pray for anyway.

[Dustin Ross]

Where else? We need to pray for starlets, pray for starlets, pray for. There's a few things we need to put on the list. Pray for me, actually. Why you playing?

[Francesca (Fran)]

He said, why you playing?

[Asante]

Why are you playing?

[Dustin Ross]

Okay. We need the warriors to war. Thank you.

[Francesca (Fran)]

No, for real, though. Okay. Ahsante, I know you hate this question, but how was your weekend, King? You look great. I love these colors today.

[Dustin Ross]

Blewed out. You look like spice. You blued out, got all that boo on.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I love it. It's so good.

[Asante]

I love it.

[Dustin Ross]

I love it. I love spice too, by the way. I do. She makes me happy. There are certain artists who just remind me of what it meant to just not know nothing about no industry, nothing. Not know anything about the back end, but just when they sing a Song, it make me feel good. And Spice is one of them artists y' all coolette with Piece of Ice. I love. I love Spice. Anyway, Go ahead, Tay. How was your weekend?

[Asante]

The weekend was cool. I have been working on. I told y' all some time ago I was writing, so I was just, like, revisiting old, like, notebooks and shit.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I like that.

[Dustin Ross]

It was a movie, right?

[Asante]

So it was a movie. It really should be a movie, but it's turned into a book. And I have legs for other books based on a couple of the characters, because there's some things like. So it just. It's become a thing. So it's moving. It's moving in a lot of places, but I'm. I'm really working really, really hard. I know how I want the whole. I know how I want the whole thing to end, and so I'm just like. I'm already excited about that, but it's like I'm nowhere near. That's cool.

[Dustin Ross]

You say, what did you write me? Can I get roll?

[Asante]

You know what?

[Dustin Ross]

I can ask.

[Asante]

Yes. Hold on. Yeah, I had to think, but. Because, well, I can't tell you anything about it, but I want to.

[Dustin Ross]

I want to be. I want to shoot some motherfuckers and sell drugs and.

[Asante]

Okay, so. Okay, so, look, it's funny that you say that, because I was debating, because my initial movie idea thought right, was different from what the book idea. And then that evolved into, like, what could be a book series. But then the way I started writing, I was like, could this be, like, a hood book series? Do I want to do, like, some stars, like meals?

[Dustin Ross]

Right?

[Asante]

So. Well, so. So I have one version of this. I'm, like, literally writing three different versions of the same thing. I'm writing the movie version version, the book series version, and then the hook book version, all the same story, which.

[Dustin Ross]

Is so three projects.

[Asante]

It's three projects all the same thing. But there's a reason that I'm doing it, and I'm not gonna know why that is until the end of it all. And I know that, but I don't know why I know that. That's all I know. And it's weird, but that's the way the story wants to be.

[Dustin Ross]

Ready? So when you close your laptop, did you start touching your middle finger and thumb together?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Another what?

[Dustin Ross]

When you close your laptop.

[Asante]

No, I did. I did my index in my thumb.

[Dustin Ross]

Oh, it's your index.

[Asante]

Okay. No, it's not. But, you know. But, you know, people keep doing that.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Would you use a Would you use your name or, like, a pseudonym?

[Asante]

Okay, so for the regular book and the movie, I'd use my name for the hood book series.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's why I asked.

[Asante]

Cause I'm like, what was. No, what was. What was. Old girl's name. Oh, no. Well, I guess that wasn't her name, but. Lele, what was her. Her book.

[Dustin Ross]

Oh, Sister Hot Pussy. Yeah.

[Asante]

Or something.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It was like, erotica. Something. Wasn't her name like, erotica?

[Asante]

It ain't no erotica. But in my mind, I was like.

[Dustin Ross]

With a Bronx accent. Can you imagine the. Can you imagine the audiobook? Yo nigga. Oh, my God, Khalil, you love swv.

[Asante]

I was literally just working on writing and, like, coming to terms with what that looks like this weekend. I was like, God, this is not just like, I'm gonna write the story. This is real, like, okay.

[Dustin Ross]

Did you write any sex scenes yet?

[Asante]

No, but you know what? I need to. But I have to.

[Francesca (Fran)]

My manhood on top is. It can't even be that type of scene. Pulsating in my rivers.

[Dustin Ross]

My nature rose to meet him.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I tried another. I won't say the author because she's respected, and I don't want to. This has nothing to do with her.

[Asante]

Danielle Steeles.

[Francesca (Fran)]

But there's an author that people are, like, in love with right now. And some people were like, you should read it. You should read it. I was like, I don't really do romance. They're like, no, no, no, trust. She does it different. And I'm like, okay. She does it different. Different. I got, like, 20 pages in, and I'm so pissed because I bought, like. And I. I. It's just not for me.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, you can tell when the author don't be like that. You know what I'm saying? Can't you tell.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Me the name? I see you pick up your phone.

[Dustin Ross]

A lot of that romance, you know what I'm saying?

[Asante]

You can tell a.

[Dustin Ross]

That ain't getting nothing wrong, you know?

[Francesca (Fran)]

I don't know, but is that who it is?

[Dustin Ross]

Friend.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Wait, let me. I saw him. I knew he was texting us. Hold on. I already know it is without.

[Asante]

It better not be.

[Dustin Ross]

Okay, Girl, you like it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Girl, everyone likes it. That's why I think it's something wrong with me.

[Dustin Ross]

Well, just like 50 shades of gray, right? Let's paint it. Let's put it on 50 shades of gray, right? To just get it off of that person. Because now that I know who it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Is.

[Dustin Ross]

Like 50 shades of gray, people acted like that was just this Freaky. That was gonna make me so hot, you know, and ready to go. Really get my engine revving.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I remember watching it and being like, maybe something's wrong with you.

[Dustin Ross]

Like, am I the whore? Cause this vanilla ass. What the fuck? Like, this ain't even. You could just tell when people don't.

[Asante]

Y' all ain't watch Showtime before, right?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Taxi Cab, Russians Diaries.

[Asante]

Hello.

[Dustin Ross]

You know what I'm saying? What the. And let's not get on real sex. All them in Florida at the motels. And listen, the New Yorkers.

[Francesca (Fran)]

The New Yorkers, when we had a public access tv. Remember I told y' all about Robin Bird? Baby, let me bang your box. She would have strippers on and they. She didn't.

[Asante]

Public access TV didn't. Gave a lot to the people. Alexis K. Tyler was on public too.

[Dustin Ross]

Back in the day.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That was the real. Okay.

[Dustin Ross]

If you had access to the Canadian channel, they showed titties after the Canadian channel.

[Francesca (Fran)]

How you get access?

[Dustin Ross]

We was in Michigan, so, you know, they was right across the water twisting wires up there. We would get. You better angle it. So we would. You know what I'm saying? We would get the Canadian public access channels. And at night they would show breasts.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Funny by that. I. I thought the Canadians were more, you know, humble.

[Dustin Ross]

They was on a. Tammy Rivera. That was for Patriot.

[Asante]

Did we ever tell you that we saw her in the club one time?

[Dustin Ross]

No, but she's cool.

[Asante]

She.

[Dustin Ross]

I've been around Tammy before.

[Asante]

We seen her in the strip club when we was in Atlanta for my birthday. We was at the strip club. We seen her and she was so nice. Like, she was so.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Like she would be.

[Asante]

And she looks so dressed too.

[Dustin Ross]

Tammy be having that on for real. Tammy Rivera. Shout out to Tammy Rivera.

[Asante]

Yeah, shout out to you, Tammy.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Girl, this is the longest intro we've ever done. My weekend.

[Asante]

Yes, friend, yes.

[Dustin Ross]

How was yours? Besides the shit bags?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Besides the shit bags, which really has been a ongoing thing, but it was. I was really in my spa bag. I told y'. All. We went to that restaurant that's like attached to spa. So I finally took some time out. Spent some time too in the sauna, which I keep wanting to make a part of, like my weekly routine. But I'm really not going to be able to do that until we get a second car because it's just impossible with our schedule.

[Asante]

You wanted a sign in your house?

[Francesca (Fran)]

I mean, I. That's the goal. I told you. Claw got one.

[Asante]

You can't get one. Do you have enough room in your Bathroom for one. I have enough room in one of my bathrooms for one. But in my mind I'm like, that's.

[Dustin Ross]

The only one I heard that he said, right. One of his bathrooms.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Let me tell you, I do have room, but I just don't. I feel like because I don't own this crib, I don't really want to get like a sauna built out. Yeah. Because even if you buy it, that's so much to get it, you know, brought in.

[Asante]

And what about the little inflatable fake one that they got on Amazon?

[Francesca (Fran)]

I had that, remember the little, the seated one. But it didn't. It don't hit this. It was good. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed it better than enough. It is good because you get a good sweat wet. Like we would come out of there, right? Because you'd be thinking like, what else am I taking in?

[Dustin Ross]

Not stuck, not.

[Asante]

It's like a little plastic.

[Francesca (Fran)]

No, it's a little zip. It's a little zip.

[Dustin Ross]

You know how many times my zipper got stuck?

[Asante]

Oh, Lord.

[Dustin Ross]

And it's hot in there. Can you imagine? All you gonna hear is my fist hitting that plastic.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I used to love mine. I had it when I was in Brooklyn, remember? I ended up giving it to my partner's older brother when we left New York. We just gave it to him because he's, you know, gym guy. And we were like, this is good for you. But we never bought another one. But I want like a real one.

[Asante]

Like yeah, yeah, with the wood, cedar.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Gas, you know what I'm saying? And so I don't know, Claude, pour.

[Dustin Ross]

A little bit on that rocks.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You feel me? So I'm like figuring it out. But in the meantime, Portland is one of those places that has a lot of saunas.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

There's just very wellness based and so it's easy to have.

[Dustin Ross]

I mean, they've been there getting it on, I'm sure.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Which is kind of gross.

[Dustin Ross]

You sitting there song and put your towel over one leg and in the middle. In the middle and over one leg. That's what you do. Then your other leg and the side be out and that's how you neck.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Why do you know?

[Asante]

Omg.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So you heard now. So you heard.

[Dustin Ross]

Before. You all get any ideas. But the audience. I don't do that. You know what I'm saying? I just know about it. I've always felt like that was a wonderful.

[Asante]

That's what they were showing on them Canadian TV channel.

[Dustin Ross]

They was connecting. I've always felt like that was a One way ticket to a penicillin prescription. And I just didn't want. No problem, you know what I'm saying? All that random connecting, I'm good on that. But I do know how to look hot in the sauna, you know what I'm saying? What you do is you put the towel over the middle and one leg.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm always amazed when people are in the sauna on their phone. Is it just me that feels like that defeats the purpose, number one. And isn't that gonna destroy your phone?

[Asante]

I don't need my phone.

[Francesca (Fran)]

All that humidity.

[Dustin Ross]

My phone will be hot on the charger, right? I already know with that little screen I'm hot in here, you know what I'm saying? So I don't.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Amazes me. Every time I go to the sauna, I'd say 90% of the people in there are looking down and scrolling on their phone. And it kills me every time. I'm also like, get them shits out of here.

[Asante]

People, people, get the phones out of here.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That should be.

[Asante]

People are really connected to their phones.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Like, I know it's bad.

[Asante]

It's really, really bad. Like, there's. I know there's a point. There's a point. Even this conversation that we're gonna have today where I just felt like, damn, it's that bad. Like, where people are like, oh, well, so I have my phone at work. It's like, but you don't need your phone for work, so students shouldn't be using phones in school. And I great. I get, I get it, like, you know, safety and things like that. Especially in America, there needs to be something, right? But like the phones all the time, it's just like, because y' all are letting people use these phones for everything, people feel like they don't need the phone all the damn time. Which is why digital addiction.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And it's crazy with the kids because one of the boys was telling me that what makes it hard, he was like, it's so hard when, like you're in class, the teacher gives y' all a math problem to solve. You're here busting your butt trying, like, do the formulas to figure it out. And your friend just asked chat GPT. And not only did they get the answer, but they also got a whole breakdown that they could say to the teacher in case the teacher says, well, show me your way work. You know what I'm saying? And they're like, and he got that in seconds. And so it makes it hard to not fall into the AI. Like, well, AI will do it for me. And I was like, that's so real of him to discuss that because I wasn't even thinking about that. I know college students been getting their asses whooped using it for papers and exams. But I didn't even consider the middle school elementary. Like how they have cell phones now at. By the age of 6 and 7.

[Dustin Ross]

My baby would be. Anytime my baby was not around, they would have a phone on them. Straight up. Flat out, my baby would have.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Well, that's what I'm saying. In this day and age, it's kind of hard to. To not give you a kid of cell. So I understand it. But I just wonder in school, I think, was it Oregon? It might have been Oregon. I think they're trying to pass a bill or they have passed a bill where cell phones are no longer allowed. Don't mark my words on that. It might have been something I was reading. But I know they're working on getting that passed. Where cell phones will not be allowed in class. So they'll probably have to do those pockets, you know, that they. The magnetic pockets that close and they can't open it till they're out of school. And I understand for safety reasons that's probably really triggering for parents, but like, they gotta come combat the social media bullying. They gotta combat the chatgpt assistance with schoolwork and also just a distract distraction. Imagine if we were on Twitter in fucking class. We would never be paying att of.

[Dustin Ross]

The teacher or able to text each other. You know.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Imagine scrolling through tik tok and you got class.

[Asante]

Part of education.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Please is.

[Asante]

It's, it's. You're developing young minds, you're developing people, you're. You're creating independent thinkers. So when they're constantly being distracted by whatever the true lessons are. Because that math, that chat GPT is solving for the them. Hell, some of that math. I don't even know how to do that math. So if these kids don't know how to do that math too. But there's like this generation in between that know how to do that math because, you know, there's this new, like, way that they check for answers and. And I feel like maybe that can get developed into something else. Because there are things that I feel like I have missed not in my own personal school development, but as school has changed.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, we've been out of school for a minute.

[Asante]

Yeah. Looking at some of this homework, I was like, what the is that? I was watching something on Tik Tok where they were trying to show how they check for answers now. And I was like, if A asked me to do this, boys was showing.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Me the math, I was like, woo, thank God.

[Asante]

Specifically the math. So when I think about these devices, y' all know that they had us getting those damn Texas Instruments. If they have to lock the phones up and bring it, bring the cart back out for the Texas Instruments calculators. And that's what they gonna have to do.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, they had. I had to. I got them TI83s because I was looking at their school and they're already using TI83s and they're like, yeah, I thought. I felt like I didn't start using that till I was middle school. 15, 16, I feel. I don't know, maybe.

[Dustin Ross]

Or when I got into like advanced mathematics, like tree and like 14, right?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Maybe 14, 15.

[Asante]

I remember they had them in middle school, but they didn't really come back out until like high school when they were like, some of y' all might have seen this before.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's what I'm saying.

[Asante]

When you were like, I don't know what that is.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right.

[Dustin Ross]

That was a flex, having your own TI. First it was TI82s, then TI83s, and.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Now they have the ones with color. The new ones have colors.

[Asante]

Do you remember the one? Oh, yeah. The color ones. Do you remember the one that look like a little controller? And it was. That was like a TI 64 or some like something right. Now what's that they used it for?

[Francesca (Fran)]

We must have been out by then. Dustin.

[Asante]

That was only used for. You know how you had like electives at school and certain schools had random ads. Like some would have like woodworking, like mine had like auto traffic, like shop.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, yeah, I had that class too. And I took it at a separate shout out to the Genesee Area Skill Center. Is that what G, A S, C? I think that's what it was called. Well, we used to call it skill center. And I had my own car then, so I would go to the car wash first and then like go to school, go to skill set. But yeah, shout out to skill set. I took Cat, I think in the 12th grade. I took that 11th through 12th grade. One of the 12th. Cause I was driving, so. 12th grade, I took that. Yeah.

[Asante]

Damn.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Driving a high school. Oh, that would have been too good. But anyway. Yes. I don't even know how we got.

[Dustin Ross]

Here, but we did an hour later.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Now let's jump into the black business of the week, which Dustin actually has for us this week.

[Dustin Ross]

I do. And so I'M actually very excited about this. This just. I was walking. Yes, indeed, I was walking. I was walking on the downtown on the Lower east side, waiting on my brunch reservation and my friend Pharaoh was like, that shirt is dope. We looked in the window and it was a really dope boutique shop that had dope pieces went in there. Staff was super friendly, fly shit, really good prices, you know what I'm saying? I think the most expensive thing I saw was like 60 bucks outside of jackets and shit, but shirts, jean pants, all kind of stuff. And it's black owned. So, you know, when I found that out, I was like, let me get a car, a card so I can share this on our show. So that's what I'm doing. The shop is called Fierce by Dre. Just like it sounds, traditional spelling but all as one word. And they're known as an NYC fashion hub. The address again, this is downtown on the Lower East Side, 32 Clinton street in New York. So 32 Clinton street here in Manhattan. And their Instagram account is literally just like the title, Fierce by Dre. So if you go to Fierce by Dre on Instagram, you can see kind of what they have to offer, offer and a little bit more about the boutique. They also have a website which again is www.fiercebydray.com. so check them out, support them, fly shit. If you need a couple pieces to knock around in on the weekends and still look good, you know what I'm saying? At a good price point, really, really fuck with them. I was really impressed by the things that I saw. And the girl that was working, she was so sweet and kind. So check them out. And if you downtown, stop in. Just go on and stop in.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Come on down, Come on down.

[Dustin Ross]

That's it for the black business.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Let's jump into the recap segment. Last week's episode titled don't be a Bridget Asante. We talked about TikTok story times, a lack of professionalism and AI customer service. Thank you so much, Asante. Those of you listening had a lot to say, as always. Who stood out to you, Asante?

[Asante]

Love you all. Oh, shout out to Jen in the Spotify streets. Okay, I'm reading some comments from the Spotify. Hi guys. Love you all. AI part with Drive Thrus reminded me that a week ago I wanted to order dominoes and pay cash. I called the restaurant. I called the restaurant and got an AI bot and gave it my order. I was then transferred to another AI to confirm my order.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, Lord.

[Asante]

Then when I mentioned I wanted to pay cash. They said I needed to be transferred to someone at the location. So I finally passed through to the location and it was AI again. I just ate frozen pizza that day. I also want to share a comment from Victoria. Victoria's comment reads. Y' all mentioned shopping at farmers markets and small organic farms and meat markets in Texas. Snap AKA Food stamps. Your dollar doubles at any farmer's market. Chico Boys is a produce wholesaler that is direct from vendor to consumer that also doubles the the dollar for every $5 in food stamps. That equals $10 in fruits and vegetables. They also have bonus days allowing you to get an extra $10.10 dollars off produce or 10 an extra $10 of produce for every purchase. Many people who receive benefits aren't aware. Just thought I'd share Thank you for sharing that Victoria. I wanted to make sure I got that out to the people because to.

[Dustin Ross]

The to the farmers market dolls.

[Asante]

Especially because great shout out to also Green Flame. Green Flame. Their comment reads. No Asante, you are so right.

[Dustin Ross]

Some people out Green Flame. You take a test if I have to take a pill. Seven days. You know what I'm saying? It's a quick turnaround with that Green Flame ain't supposed to be.

[Francesca (Fran)]

What did Green say?

[Asante]

Some people in higher up positions.

[Dustin Ross]

What was that?

[Francesca (Fran)]

They're not ringing the comment again. We love you Green Flame. Thanks for listening. Oh my God.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

We love you Green Flame. We do. Burning Green. Burning Green. I'm burning Burning San.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Read the comment please.

[Asante]

They wrote some people in higher positions will be less professional because of stature and control that comes with their title in the hierarchy of the business. And you usually will see employees lower on the hierarchy be more professional because they don't want to lose their job and they might have less authority within their role. Just like the Coldplay situation with the CEO and head of HR having the audacity to not only have an affair but to be out in public hugged up. There have been so many comments on Spotify. Those are the ones I want to share friend.

[Dustin Ross]

What did you find? I love vernacular. Don't yes we do.

[Asante]

What did you find out there?

[Francesca (Fran)]

So on SoundCloud Jelly, this actually ties into what you were saying. Asante Jelly said in Oregon there's a program called Double Up Food Bucks where If you have EBT you basically can get 50 yes 55 0% off produce at farmers markets. That is huge.

[Dustin Ross]

Damn they coming through with the 12 the good tips.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm kidding, right? So let me read that again. A program called Double up food bucks. In Oregon, you can get 50% off farmer's market produce. That's incredible. So check that out if you need to. Also, Victoria, also known as a vocalist rival. I love Victoria on Twitter said on the Farmer's market boxes, remember last week I talked about the CSA programs. Please check to see if your state offers them through your wic, food stamps, senior citizen or disability programs. They might also even deliver. I love that. So you can get discounts based on different programs that you're a part of. Nice for the CSA programs in your area. Hold on, I had another one. Darlin. Charlin on Twitter said. Right. This conversation hits home. I once successfully advocated for professionalism to be removed as a performance review standard at my workplace. Of course we should all aim to be professional, but it's such a subjective term and can thinly veil respectability. Politics. Politics.

[Dustin Ross]

I love this.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's impressive.

[Dustin Ross]

This is. This is literally out of my brain. I love this comment.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, exactly what you were talking about. And then lastly, Bria in the gated community said Asante mentioned the Tesla diner and I immediately got triggered. They started building it directly across the street from my old apartment a few months after I moved in. And it made our lives. No, she said it made our lives hell. Hell for months. They had to reroute the electricity and the water. Yeah. For it. Leaving us without for hours at a time on certain days with no notice. Not to mention they would be working at all hours of the night. There was a weird glitch on Patreon where it was cutting off comments like I was trying to read them in every single comment. I could tell there was more written and I just couldn't see them. I don't know what's going on. Hopefully they fixed that. There was more to this comment, but that's all that. That I could put together that made sense. But that sucks. That they would inconvenience local residents because they needed water and electricity for the diner. So you're okay with local residents going without for hours? Not to mention construction, which I thought should have timeframes that they. Ordinances? Yeah. Don't they have ordinances? Like, yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

You can't just do that 24 hours a day.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Are you kidding me?

[Asante]

I'm also being paranoid. But like. Like, what the fuck? Because if they're doing construction that's affecting like the water and the electricity and shit. Like, I don't know.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I just feel all day must be something.

[Asante]

I feel like there's something more to that. But I also might Just be paranoid.

[Francesca (Fran)]

But it's just being rich and white and in a position of power, you get to skirt around certain things. Dustin Ross, what'd you find in those Twitter streets?

[Dustin Ross]

I'm just gonna give y' all one this week to lift the mood a little bit. Right? Cause I was really gonna go there about this Donald Trump birthday letter, but I'm not even gonna do that.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, gosh.

[Dustin Ross]

I'm not even gonna go there. Let's just move past that, because we're gonna tear somebody up later anyway. But shout out to gab on Twitter @Own Deceiver is the handle. They tweeted a video from Kelly Clarkson's talk show where she was singing with Lizzo, right? And it says lizzo witnessing good as hell, which is her single. Getting Kelly Clarkson listened in front of her. Wasn't on my 2025 bingo card, and I just want to play a little bit of it because it's beautiful. Kelly was going. Going there. Listen to this, y'.

[Asante]

All. That's the American Idol right there.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I do my hair toss. Check my nails, baby. How you feeling? Check my nails, baby. How you feeling? Check my nails. Come on, baby. How you feeling? Feeling good as hell. Hell tones. Check my nails, baby. How you feeling? Good as hell. How you feeling? Good as hell. Good as hell.

[Dustin Ross]

Me after a blunt.

[Asante]

So I love Kelly Clarkson.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Kelly is so good. She just get to sing and talk.

[Dustin Ross]

And just be nice to people with her friends. Do you show that was Clarkson just came up, too.

[Asante]

What you mean?

[Francesca (Fran)]

I feel like I know why you're saying this, and I'm not playing into it.

[Dustin Ross]

Let's just leave it there. I'm just saying, you talking about getting a good deal in a divorce.

[Asante]

It just reminded me of the sel show, and it was very cold.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I don't remember the Seline Dion show either.

[Dustin Ross]

She had a talk show.

[Asante]

She. I don't know if she had a full talk show or if I'm making this up, but I believe she had a talk show.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Google this.

[Dustin Ross]

And I believe that she performed effect right literally.

[Asante]

Because. Because what I'm about to say might sound crazy as I'm saying it. So I'm like. I feel like she would sing alongside with her guest. And so that's what I'm like. There was a Celine Dion show, but it could have been.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I don't see anything.

[Dustin Ross]

Let's get back to Kelly talks divorce settlement.

[Francesca (Fran)]

What. What. What timeline universe did I come from?

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah. Who's root life? Maybe that's her root life.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Her root.

[Dustin Ross]

You don't want to get to. You don't want to talk about Kelly Clarkson's divorce package.

[Francesca (Fran)]

A special. Okay, that makes more sense.

[Asante]

Yes. Okay.

[Dustin Ross]

Hot damn.

[Asante]

Because I just knew that there was a film, there was a clip of Celine Dion singing with Destiny's Child. And I was like, did she have, like, a talk show or something? But she had a special. And that's.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Thank God we're not liars. You know how you'd be like. You remember? And press be like, yeah, I used to watch it.

[Dustin Ross]

We like, let's look that up. But that's okay. All that mean is you've seen a video of her singing with them, and it's touched a little.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It was good enough to be.

[Asante]

When I saw Lizzo and Kelly Clarkson singing together, it made me think of Celine Dion singing with Destiny's Child.

[Dustin Ross]

Okay.

[Asante]

Because Celine Dion was singing Emotions, and she was going off, and I was like, okay.

[Dustin Ross]

Oh, I remember that performance. They were performing at a. It may have been a. The Divas Live. It may have been some other. Some other performance, but I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Asante]

Yeah, that. That particular performance, that's all I thought about. So that's why I was like, I.

[Dustin Ross]

Didn'T know what it was from. I can see Celine Dion's hair in the big. It was like going up and down and back. I don't know what that's called. Yeah. But it was. It was like this. And you know, Celine is very physical when she emotes while she's singing.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yes, she. Right.

[Dustin Ross]

And so she was like, especially if she's singing with black people. So she was like, you know. You know, she was doing that. You know what I'm talking.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Remember the chapter in Mariah's book? You gotta check the situation on Patreon for that. But.

[Dustin Ross]

Okay, thank you.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Talk about our lambs.

[Dustin Ross]

But you can go to patreon.com the Friendzone podcast, to get that.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That part. Do you guys have any announcements before we jump into the show? Not jump into the show after an hour.

[Asante]

In one last comment, I wanted to share. Share.

[Dustin Ross]

Come on.

[Asante]

It's a quick one. It's from Chad. And on Spotify says now cracklings and pork rinds are different, because last week I said crackers and pork rinds, and I truly did well, because cracklings are harder than pork rinds. Pork rinds are the soft, fluffy ones. Cracklings are like the little, small, crunchy ones.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, interesting.

[Asante]

And I enjoy both. So thank you. Chad. I want to clarify for anyone that thought I would mention one or the other.

[Dustin Ross]

I mean, you know what I mean?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Like, he's making us smarter.

[Asante]

I appreciate you. Right.

[Dustin Ross]

You're right.

[Asante]

I'm gonna resist information. Everybody's black experience is a little different, too. So some people might be, like, not crackling.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I never said cracklins. Like, that's not. I've never been like, oh, I'm craving cracklins. To be honest, I didn't even know that was a thing. I've always thought it was just pork rinds. Yeah, I didn't know.

[Asante]

Well, according to Chad, they're not the same, so. So you like.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Is that regional? I don't. I never heard you say, let's go get some crackers.

[Asante]

I don't know why I know both, but I know both. And I like, like both.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I wonder. Interesting. Well, thank you. Thank you, Chaz.

[Asante]

You said Chad.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Chad. Thank you, Chad. Any other announcements? Anything you want to let the listeners know before we jump in? Jump in?

[Dustin Ross]

Not for me. No.

[Francesca (Fran)]

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[Asante]

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[Francesca (Fran)]

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[Dustin Ross]

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[Francesca (Fran)]

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[Asante]

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[Francesca (Fran)]

We sold ours in minutes this morning and they'll come pick it up and pay us this afternoon.

[Dustin Ross]

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[Asante]

Of course, we kept the favorite.

[Dustin Ross]

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[Francesca (Fran)]

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[Dustin Ross]

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[Francesca (Fran)]

I am here to do some good old fashioned.

[Asante]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

Let's be crystal clear.

[Asante]

We met your energy today.

[Dustin Ross]

Let's be clear because I really want to lay this out for our listeners right now so that they understand what's going on. So a few days ago, I saw this shitstorm of tweets, you know what I'm saying? An Instagram post, TikTok post about this documentary on Netflix called Unknown Number the High School Catfish, right? And I remember back when Catfish, the television series shout out to Nev and Max that was coming on MTV and on Twitter on those nights when it would come out, it would be so much fun because we all would kind of watch quote as a family, like we used to call it, and have commentary. The tweets used to be so much fun. And I really loved Catfish. I remember when Catfish, the movie came out before the television show was even thought of. I was so intrigued and blown away by the trailer for that movie. And then I was really let down once I actually watched it, which I think a lot of people were, because it wasn't as they. They crafted the trailer and made it look so it was like a thriller. Like, it was a scary film, right? And then we found out that it was really just about people pretending to be someone else online. And that kind of spawned the television series on MTV that got everybody hooked. And so catfishing became a real thing. Hell, it might even be in the dictionary, if it might. Miriam Webster, Catfishing.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So wait, speaking of rest in peace to Roland Ray. I will say that.

[Dustin Ross]

Remember Catfish fame?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Literally icon himself.

[Dustin Ross]

That's sad, too. He was 28 years old. I think he passed away a day.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yep, yep. Y' all knew I loved Roland Ray, so that broke my heart.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, you did. One time for Roland Ray, cussing motherfuckers out. And one thing about it, Roland Ray never succumbed to the I'll do anything for fame trope that a lot of these other Internet celebrities have. He was actually very vocal about, like, Black. Black Lives Matter during the Black Lives Matter movement and moments.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Remember him at the George Floyd protest.

[Dustin Ross]

Running over people's feet.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

In his wheelchair.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

So shout out to Roland Ray. He was very funny man. Rest in peace to him. But it's up because he died. But the. That should have kicked the bucket, didn't. And the per. Person I'm about to talk about is a woman in this film and the mother of Lauren. So we'll go there. So fast forward right to a couple days ago when I see this flurry of comments about this documentary on Netflix. I usually like to let play in the background while I'm working on other stuff if I need, like, background noise or whatever. And I could kind of do both. I can watch and work at the same time. Don't do that, y'.

[Asante]

All.

[Dustin Ross]

You know, that's just like my process. So I put it on. I'm like, let me just. You know what I'm saying? I'm writing right now. Let me just roll me some. Watch this Netflix documentary. So I cut the documentary on and I find out that it's set in northwestern Michigan. Okay, now, you all know that I'm from Flint, Michigan. That's where I was born and raised. I'm very familiar with the profile of residents of the state. You know, what kind of people live where and what kind of areas or whatever. And up in, I believe they were from. Bill, hold on. I'm about to tell you exactly what the. They were from Beale City. So B E A L city, Michigan. It's a very small town. It's like that Carrie Underwood song said.

[Asante]

Where 69 meets 40.

[Dustin Ross]

Here's a single stoplight town. It's like. It's a single stoplight time. That shout out to Chris, that was for my baby Crystal. But anyway, she know that song about Chakota, Oklahoma. And she said. Crystal told me that, yes, where 669 does meet 40 in Chicota, Oklahoma. It is in fact a single stoplight time. Now, she told me that. Crystal told me that. So shout out to Mondoro. Anyway, they're from Beale City, Michigan. Ain't nothing in Beale City, Michigan. Okay? Nothing. So when I watched, as I started watching the documentary and the filmmakers who put this together, which shout out to them. I'm gonn name them. Let's name them now. Especially the director of the documentary because this was put together so well. The director of the documentary is Sky Borgman. Okay, Sky Borgman. You put your whole ass both Cheeks in this documentary. Right.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I do have some questions for sky, but.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, right, because there's more, I think so further to that. I think sky was setting us up for part two. That's what I. Because there's no way. Yeah, there's no way. So. Because it's a lot of reflection.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Because where's the scrubs as you at the prison Scrubs.

[Dustin Ross]

Where's the black eyes when you show up for your court dates because they've been rag tagging your ass in the holding, you know what I'm saying? I mean, anyway, we'll get there. Also, shout out to Scottie Beam, Scottie Beam. Go say we love you, Scottie Beam. And get well soon too. Scotty. She just had surgery and she's been documenting her progress as she heals. And it's so funny. Follow Scotty Beam on all her platforms. But Scotty Beam tweeted, you know, it's about to be some. When everybody in the documentary looks like you could draw them. And literally everybody in this documentary looks like somebody drew look like Matt groaning or. Or look like somebody drew them or the Family Guy, whoever draw them. They all look like characters. Hey, Arnold. You know, anyway, y', all, I start watching this documentary, so obviously Fran and Asante have watched it too, right? And I want to know what your process was like watching it. I start watching this documentary and they start telling the story of how basically in this very small town, you know what I'm saying, in 2020, there was a 13 year old girl named Lauren Licari, which sidebar. I thought her nose piercing was cute. And then I started. My mind started rendering. Like, all these kids have all this like black style, black influence, like fashion aesthetic, you know what I'm saying? And they live in one of the most racist parts of the state of Michigan. Michigan is a very racist.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's how it goes.

[Dustin Ross]

And I'm like, look at y' all appropriating black culture with, you know, twists up in a bun and down in the back and a nose ring and shit, you know what I'm saying? Nails and nail art. I'm like, what the fuck? Anyway, way Lauren Licari, 13 years old, and she had a middle school boyfriend named Owen McKinney, right? And they started getting constant graphic and disturbing text messages from an unknown number out of the blue, right? Literally these messages started coming to both of their phones. They were kind of in this small town. That's why I really want to illustrate to our audience that this area, this rural area of the state of Mainland Michigan, literally small town, nothing else to do but be in each other's business. Okay, clearly there are Central Michigan University and Ferris State University are both up in that area of the state and they're probably the biggest entities, you know what I'm saying, that they bring the most people to that area of the state. There's a casino up there, Soaring Eagle Casino. And then like I said Central Michigan University, which is an excellent school. School and Ferris State University. That's about it up there. Otherwise you're gonna be, you know, you never. You might see a Manitoba. You never know. You don't know what the is up there. A goddamn moose coming, scaring the out of you. You know what I'm saying? You're just trying to go to 711 if they got that. So that's the vibes up there. So I start watching this. They have a. There they. This is a popular couple amongst this community, right? Because as they illustrated in the documentary when it started, the parents are heavily involved in the business of their children in this community because there's nothing going on. So the typical high school drama, you know what I'm saying that happens, it gets amplified into a bigger space because adults then get involved as well and it becomes things that create conflict amongst families and in now school boards and shit like that. It's just a bunch of nosy going to far. Is that the takeaway both of y' all got from that section?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Small town living? Absolutely.

[Dustin Ross]

Okay, friend, it's so funny you took the G off of living when you said it because it was small town, small town living. You said that you ain't even realized. So they start getting these text messages right on their phones. Now me personally, and by the way, I've been trying not to smoke on the show. This is smoking episode, okay?

[Asante]

It is.

[Dustin Ross]

I personally and I love a blunt orange juice. It's so funny that you drinking that. Shout out to my cousin.

[Francesca (Fran)]

A blunt orange juice.

[Dustin Ross]

But my cousin told me like that's her favorite cowboy in the morning too. A bunch of orange juice. I was like, you are so right. Somehow following up that taste with the citrusy acidity of the orange juice. Anyway, so I started watching this shit, right? And I'm like, okay, let me just close this laptop. Cause I ain't gonna get no work done. I was enthralled as the story began to unf. But what shook me out of my deep focus, my impenetrable focus of watching this was when we started hearing the voiceovers of the text messages that Lauren And Owen are receiving. Okay, now first of all, whoever sometimes.

[Asante]

You laughing because it probably took you out every time. And I'm like, whose voice or voices are these?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Why are you Imagine getting paid to do it project. And then you come in and you're.

[Asante]

Like what you want me to.

[Dustin Ross]

All right. You know what I'm saying? I would have took me a double shot or something and got in there.

[Asante]

But I have a question. Did they use AI probably cuz sometimes like when they would show the faces cuz I just didn't expect it. I'm like are they recreating something?

[Dustin Ross]

Okay, so use AI for which parts?

[Asante]

Like when they.

[Francesca (Fran)]

All of it.

[Asante]

When they would show. Oh, I don't want to ruin the order.

[Dustin Ross]

Let's get here. Let's just stay on this text message voiceovers for one second. Right? Because it took me out. Now some of the text messages I know we've said that they were receiving explicit vulgar text message Badass Skinny.

[Asante]

He doesn't want you.

[Dustin Ross]

You don't.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You know.

[Asante]

Fingers in your.

[Francesca (Fran)]

No, he was like his fingers in my. I was like this sound like those books.

[Dustin Ross]

Quan Meals. But not even Quan Meals. This would have been Linda Lickman or whatever the. You know, it was literally like you lit liquor.

[Francesca (Fran)]

What was that?

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah baby. She was. They were saying that Orbit commercial. But they were saying the words up in here.

[Asante]

Clean it up.

[Dustin Ross]

I'm talking about dirty. These was the most filthy text. And then the way it was written though. Let's start there because we joking but like this is like way crossing the line across the line.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Absolutely.

[Dustin Ross]

As far as exposed to. Especially up in them rural conservative communities where they try to. This is what y' all be doing on. This is what we're talking talking about. It'd be you sons of that are that are endangering children's Children's. Okay. In this way. There was not one drag queen in this film. Not one drag queen. But y' all don't want a. Or a black. But y' all don't want a reading books in the library. You feel like these drag queens. You. You dirty ass proud boy. Up north sons of Was actually going to libraries threatening and. And enacting violence pilots on the drag queens. I was trying to read to your dumb ass children while all of this was going on. And as we get further into this, you know, I don't want to politicize everything but as we get further into this though, I'm just going. I want to illustrate that this is a very conservative area. And as the Documentary painted so eloquently. These people are so into their children's lives. Everything's about family. Families and our family and all that. And God damn it, faith for the family. My text messages up. Okay, let's move on. The text messages, though. We're saying things like Fran said, put your titty on my. I'm gonna put my titty on his. Shut up, you. Your butt crack is crooked. You're funky.

[Asante]

They was.

[Dustin Ross]

It was like just crazy shit, right?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Graphic. And then so many. She said it was like 500 texts a day or something. Crazy, right?

[Asante]

The worst, obviously, it was that they were so graphic. They were sexually graphic, obviously inappropriate. And then they go all the way to the deepest and darkest depths of the waters.

[Dustin Ross]

And it sounded like Susan Sarandon was reading the voiceovers. That's what made it funny to me. You know what I'm saying? Hey, fat booty bitch. I can't wait to make Owen later on. You just be like, damn. Like, what the fuck?

[Asante]

When the lady. The person reading said, I was crying.

[Dustin Ross]

And it was a p. It was. It was like a digital digitized, like, interruption of the words. Hey, pet, I'm. It was saying like that your. You got a crooked and I'm gonna. Whatever. The. The messages.

[Asante]

I was crying when they were going through the investigation. They were like. And from the way that the text messages were going, we had to realize that this wasn't a child. In my mind, I was like. Like, you damn motherfucking right. Ain't no damn child, like, texting all day, texting that type of shit.

[Dustin Ross]

Oh, hell, you thought it was a bot. I thought the bitch was trying to buy the Jordans. You know what I'm saying? You would have thought it was a bot. At the frequency at which those text messages were coming through to this channel.

[Asante]

You thought it was going to be AI.

[Dustin Ross]

I did. I did. And it ended up being a I N T S H I T. But anyway, so, like, so this girl. I know we're all over the place, but. But I'm trying to go in order. So this girl and her boyfriend, who are young, okay, 13 at the time, I believe, start getting text messages to their phones that are crazy. Their parents obviously become aware of this and are alerted. Alerted that their kids are experiencing this. Because, again, the nature of the messages was so vile and graphic and also specific to them. They were mentioning places they had been, conversations that they had had that seemed private, and only a person in their inner circle would have had access to this information. They were putting nuggets. Like that in these messages. So it became glaringly obvious that this was coming from somebody body that had access to their children, which was even more frightening at that point for the kids and the parents, you know what I'm saying?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Secretly feeling this way. Yeah. Feeling this way and putting this energy out towards children. Like. But can I, can I just ask a question? Was it just me? But like, like, and, and I think the detective was saying it too. Why did they turn off the phones?

[Dustin Ross]

Change the number.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Change the number. Like it, that part was really confusing me because it was just like the mom's coming in crying at the police station, all this chaos. But no one changed the kids numbers they like or turn it. That's the part that was killing me because it was almost like. Because at one point, unless I'm tripping, the detective literally told the, the mom, turn the number, like turn it off or whatever. And she just did it. And she didn't have an answer for why she did it. But I remember like you're saying this is small towns, probably the most interesting thing they've dealt with and they kind of wanted to keep the ball rolling because I had no understanding of that.

[Dustin Ross]

Like, huh, why the fuck wouldn't they just change the number? All you had to do, right? But again, these people up there in Beal City didn't have else to do, you know what I'm saying? This is the kind of community where everybody and their grandmama go to the game, football game on Friday night. The high school football game type.

[Asante]

Yep.

[Dustin Ross]

So anyway, these messages keep coming through like a flurry of these text messages. And now they're starting to point finger and blame somebody at the school. They think that it's a girl who's jealous of her, her that she's not been getting along with. They then start blaming one of her cousins because. Or was it was the girl Owen's cousin or it was Owen's cousin. Owen's cousin, yes. They started blaming Owen's cousin hardcore. Even her own parents were blaming her. They're like, well, maybe it was you type, you know what I'm saying? Everybody ends up turning. The whole community has a spider man finger point moment. They're pointing each other, it was you, it was you. It was you. Long story short, because I'm not going to bore y', all, spare y' all with the details, the detectives start doing some real work and start digging and finding out, finding that this, these messages are coming from an app on a phone. They end up accessing an IP address linking it to the person who's actually creating these text messages and sending them. And I shit you not, it was Lauren's mama, Kendra that was sending her own daughter these text messages. Now let's. Let's stay there with it and talk about the scene in the documentary where the police and Lauren and Lauren's father, Kendra's husband, who reminded me a lot of the daddy in the Natalia Grace documentary.

[Asante]

I. I was getting the same vibe.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I.

[Asante]

You not. What do you mean? Like physically or something about his energy, personality.

[Dustin Ross]

He was so emotionally expressive in his interviews, in the actual footage from them talking to the police. You've got to go somewhere tonight. We can't. It's best we separate and you can't. I don't wanna see.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I thought he was not mad enough for me.

[Dustin Ross]

Me too. That's what I'm saying.

[Francesca (Fran)]

He made me feel uncomfortable. Like even when they ex. Even when they explained who it was and he was outside, like. So which phone was it when he asked, you know, like in my mind, like, what are you asking? Are you asking which phone it was? There's a light here that strange to me. That's the thing that comes to mind.

[Dustin Ross]

The mother is the one who's been sending all the text messages. We also find out once we start asking the mother questions that she's been lying for a couple years about being employed at Central Michigan University. Right? And I just told you guys, these are the big businesses that are in that area, right? She was lying about being employed there. They had moved. Moved homes. Okay. And she was lying about income, which I was confused about that because you can't really lie about having a job or not. You know what I'm saying? You can lie about where you at, but you can't lie about resources and the things that it takes to purchase these homes. So there's some gaps in here that need to be filled in for me, Parami, you know what I'm saying?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right? Especially had the length of time because it seemed like she'd been live for a minute. But she was also. Also pretending that she was paying the bills and the bills were not being paid and the house ended up foreclosed. It just was a lot of crazy stuff.

[Dustin Ross]

They came home to eviction notices and shit like that. But the bitch, the dirty ass bitch, right? Who looks. Literally, she is so rotten, she looks like a tree. I am. I am so like, spaces in between. Spaces in between her teeth. In the scene where the hoe gets busted. Busted, right. Who I'm getting mad in the Scene where she got busted. Her daughter, who she has been sending horrible text. I'm talking about the ugly. Kill yourself.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You ain't.

[Dustin Ross]

I'm gonna fuck your boyfriend. Your not good. Just like the. The worst things that, that, that. That a parent can say to a child, but damn sure a mother can say to a motherfucking daughter, right? Things that, that are just unspeakably vulgar and horrible, right?

[Francesca (Fran)]

And playing into her daughter's insecurities with her body, literally, you know, at that age, that's when they really start feeling the pressures too, of sexual, you know, pressures of like, at school and in the relationship. So for her to be like, cause if you don't do it, I'm gonna do it. This is her mom. It's just so. And then this scene that you're talking about, talking about.

[Dustin Ross]

So the police.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I still don't understand.

[Dustin Ross]

The police arrive at the home. I don't either. I don't understand. I just don't understand. I don't understand.

[Francesca (Fran)]

This is where me, the police, the. The director, all of us need to sit and have a conversation with a.

[Dustin Ross]

At gunpoint. I feel like I really want answers. So they need to. We need to bring this to Zeus, okay? We need some physical threats of violence as a consequence to the answer. That's right. Baddies Bill city. That's it. Baddies Bill city.

[Asante]

So, wow.

[Dustin Ross]

As the police bust this lady and basically tell her the jig is up, we know it's you. We know you've been lying. We know for how long. We know that you're the one that was sending these text messages. But they're introducing this information in increments to the family, right? As they get deeper into the reveal of what she's done, she's put. She's next to her daughter, she's embracing her daughter, touching on it, saying she didn't want to leave, leave her, trying to shield her. And it's like, you're the one who did it. I wanted her to swing. Where is Chantelle Christie when you need her? I wanted her to swing on her motherfucking mama right then. This is when it's okay to beat your mama ass, right?

[Francesca (Fran)]

But it's the fact that the daughter had no reaction that was affecting me the most. She's just sitting there completely reactionless. And then the dad was, even though he was like, low key, being like, you need to leave right now. Cause I don't know what I'm gonna do if you don't. Which also he's saying that. And the Police left. They were like, all right, bye.

[Dustin Ross]

Shout out to Deray McKesson. What do he be saying? Watch whiteness work. Cause that's what that was.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Cause imagine saying in front of the police that you don't know what you about to do to someone and they just gonna be like, deuces.

[Dustin Ross]

Also, let's remember this is a situation involving mine. So there should have been an immediate removal separation. We can ask questions and give information later. Lock that hole. Shackle them ankles. I wanted them to put handcuffs around her wrists and her ankles. Tie a string between the two and pull her to the car. Put them on. Put her ass on the ground. Put an eight foot string on her on the. On the. On the. And pull her to the car face first on gravel and dirt. That's. She needs to feel it. Like, like the thing, the. The reprehensible.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It was too calm for me considering what they had just been uncovered.

[Dustin Ross]

And why you acting shocked? You sitting there like looking like them. The mask, the drama, happy, sad mask. What you actually shot for.

[Asante]

That's just how deep Kendra's manipulation was. That's why, like everybody's in the.

[Dustin Ross]

And I want the nigga name back. That's a black name.

[Asante]

No, to be real with you. To be oh so real with you. I had a character in my book named Kendra and I changed the name.

[Dustin Ross]

Because it is ho.

[Asante]

Legit changed the name. And I was so pissed.

[Dustin Ross]

You know it's bad when Kendra Wilkinson don't even make you change the name. But this whole dude.

[Asante]

No, but it just goes to show you how deep her manipulations were. Like she had everybody. So you can only imagine how deeply embedded she was with her daughter. Because I was sitting there looking at that daughter like, is she reaching out for this woman? She wants her to stay. And all the way to the end.

[Dustin Ross]

Step on her foot, do something, push.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It off the doc. When the daughter was like, I just.

[Asante]

Gotta have my own relationship with her.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, I don't really care how people feel about it.

[Asante]

Like, I was like her mom manipulated the. Out of her when she wasn't. When she wasn't at work or when she was at work. You know, I'm sure she was literally texting her some while on the phone with her being like, oh, I love you, sweetie. I'm on break from work. You.

[Dustin Ross]

First of all, don't text me no more. Period. Don't even. Don't, don't, don't message me. Don't send me flowers were already the.

[Asante]

Claws had been well into her daughter. By that point, that's why she was sitting there in that video. Cuz that video was like really hard to watch. Watching her daughter want for the mom knowing all of the. That she said from.

[Francesca (Fran)]

From jail was.

[Asante]

She's the reason that you broke up you and your boyfriend.

[Dustin Ross]

Beautiful daughter. You said I was ugly in my five minutes ago.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You.

[Asante]

You my man.

[Dustin Ross]

You.

[Asante]

You made up all this about. You basically made these people make me think that I was making this up about my self.

[Dustin Ross]

Ruin my life. I've been getting going through hell at school every day. Not only my life did you ruin. You ruined this other young lady. What was her name? Chloe or you ruined her life.

[Asante]

Shout out to Chloe. Shout out to Chloe's family. The moment.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Like Chloe's family. Something about them made me feel weird.

[Dustin Ross]

Like they were mean to her. They were mean. They was. They were accusing her of doing them. Being responsible for those text messages too. Until it came out. And then the mama tried to say, well, I always knew it was that bitch or whatever. Well, no, you actually think it was your daughter.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Remember the like, quiet, shy girl. I think her name was Adriana that they. You could tell low key they were seeing.

[Asante]

So the family, I didn't like Chloe, the girl herself, I did like, because Chloe, she was like. Because, you know, she was involved in some, you know. Oh, oh. And I guess was hot to these girls. And, you know, that is. She was just involved in this with this other girl. And she didn't really want no harm to come to this girl. So she's looking at this like, I'm a girl just like her. And we fighting over a boy. Like, that's it. Like, I don't hate this.

[Dustin Ross]

She kept in perspective, like, yeah, it's just this.

[Asante]

It became this bigger thing around her. And so her parents.

[Francesca (Fran)]

No. Because she threw carrots at.

[Asante]

Well, you know, maybe she was a mean girl.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's why I'm like, I don't know what y'.

[Dustin Ross]

All, you know, girl, what did you do? Hold on for a second. I was thinking, like, and what did you do? Beat her fast.

[Asante]

At the end of the day, these are still white people I wouldn't fuck with. So, I mean, I only liked her in the lens of, you know, I.

[Dustin Ross]

Saw white people that wouldn't fuck with you.

[Asante]

Exactly.

[Dustin Ross]

I'll tell you, that part of the nation, that part of Michigan, I'm already knowing.

[Asante]

And that'll go both ways.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I saw it in her mama's face and her dad being a cop like, come on now.

[Dustin Ross]

And she like, in her Racist face. The thing that racists do with their top teeth and their bottom teeth when they like the industry.

[Asante]

I just like that they called out the dad saying that he probably knew because in my mind I'm like yeah, that dad has something to do with that. Because right when the. When the officer showed up when the way that he reacted, it's like he had just been waiting for confirmation or like. Or the knew some was going down and he was just waiting for that finally to just fall off.

[Dustin Ross]

He was over her. He was over her for a couple reasons. Reasons. One of which we're going to touch on now. Let's be clear. She was sending sexually based and sexually focused messages to her daughter and to her daughter's boyfriend. Now that's not her child. Right? Even after Lauren and the. When the boy Owen because they broke up these text messages which was so funny to me because high school relationship they were like the text messages became too much and so the. It was oh my God, like these is kids.

[Asante]

But anyway.

[Dustin Ross]

But they were. They were explaining it like it was a marriage dissolving. But anyway right, right right after the breakup the Kendra's motherfucking hot ass was sitting. It was going to all of Owen's games cheering him on at every one of his games. Even when her daughter Lauren was not in attendance. She was going out of her way to still be involved in this boy's life. As a fan I hope they going to get the. Now you hear what I'm saying.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I remember he had a game in like Florida and she traveled telling the mom I'm willing to travel. And the mom was like girl.

[Dustin Ross]

And that it's a bit much. She was. She liked him. She was what she wanted to do to him physically. All that and then going the whole gonna do what The. The thing that really made me understand that she was a disgusting despicable piece of.

[Asante]

She couldn't say.

[Dustin Ross]

She literally oh she literally blamed it on. Said she had gone through some trauma as a child.

[Asante]

I wanted to beat her ass in the courtroom.

[Dustin Ross]

Protect her daughter from going through that trauma. Make that make sense.

[Asante]

You literally put her through explaining me.

[Dustin Ross]

How you traumatizing your daughter in the most disgusting of ways. The thoughts that you had to have in order to even compose these messages makes me know that you're a disturbed okay. And something is really wrong with you at your core. For you even having them sort of thoughts connected to these children. These are kids. And the. The. The. The casual approach from the police and her apprehension. Apprehension was pissing me the fuck off. Because she's literally a predator. By definition, she's the predator with her high dog teeth on the sides.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And the part that killed me was when they were asking her, why did you do it? Remember? And there was that pause and then she's gonna say, we've all done.

[Dustin Ross]

Oh my God.

[Francesca (Fran)]

We've all done crimes. We've all done things. When I Girl, the fuck.

[Dustin Ross]

No, we haven't, bitch. And you did something worse than everybody else did. What you did was.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, that shit bothered me so much. No accountability, Just trying to push it.

[Asante]

Out just because I got caught doing something you all can do.

[Dustin Ross]

Let's talk about what you did, bitch. You were sending texts about your daughter fucking and about how she wasn't a good woman and fucking with your daughter's head and her self image and telling your daughter to kill herself, bitch.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And let's not forget this is the part that I was saying I had the biggest problem with the directors and whoever put this together. Production acting, everybody. Why was there not more of a focus on the fact that this woman was sexually attracted to a 13 year old boy?

[Dustin Ross]

Let's talk about it. Let's kind of like talk about it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And they kind of let him talk about it a little, but I felt like they brushed over it a little too quickly for my taste.

[Dustin Ross]

Definitely for mine.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, for him. Remember, he was like. She was. She made me uncomfortable. Like she just paid me a lot of attention. She wanted to cut my steak or always like asking him questions, always trying to be around him, coming to his games. She was even like coaching their teams and shit just to be closer, be around, be able to travel with them. And that's the part. And even obviously the texts themselves were very suggestive of her feelings for him. Right? Her sexual attraction. The things that she was fantasizing of him doing to her sexually and her doing to him sexually, even under, even against her own child. That's the part where I'm like, why was there not more of a focus? I almost wonder if it's because they wanted her to be a part of this shit to throw us off, you know, because she was talking in the beginning. So we never thought the mom did it. We thought she was just another cast member.

[Asante]

Yeah, right.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I wonder if they were more focused on the flow of show, you know what I mean? Like how it was sequenced and like the thriller aspect of it, that they didn't want to dig deep in order to not allow her to be a part of it. And that's what pissed Me off.

[Asante]

Yeah, that is annoying.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It's almost like they didn't want to focus on that so that she wouldn't back out. That's what I'm kind of guessing, because I don't understand. Why else would you not talk about that?

[Asante]

That's the thing. I don't know if there was some production thing, because even the way that they kind of introduced her towards the end of it, like, not even towards the end, I feel like maybe, like, what, halfway through, but it felt like it kind of felt rushed a little bit, you know?

[Dustin Ross]

Then I'm going to tell you why. Because the director, they did, she. And she did not agree the film was all right, done when she finally agreed to participate in it, because she wanted the audience to hear from her perspective and she wanted her daughter. This is what she said afterwards. She wanted her daughter to hear it from her side. And she. She decided at the last minute to. To be. She agreed at the last minute to be a part of the documentary. So that's why it's so good. She could have felt rushed. And if she. If we gonna see this hoe, we need to be seeing her be grilled, held to the fuck fire on all of this. She was arrested. She didn't even get no child porn charges or nothing like that or not.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's the part I don't understand.

[Dustin Ross]

She's walking free today. She lives in the Detroit area.

[Francesca (Fran)]

She's even out. Yeah. And I saw people saying, you still see her, like, around.

[Asante]

The fact that she even, like, she. She should have got, you know, more time because she should have got more charges. But also being able to be around your child after that, like, well, granted, the dad, you know, said that she can't or whatever, but it's like she still could, I guess, visit or see her for some reason. It's like she should not be able to have access to that child for at least, you know, four more years or something, because that child needs therapy because she needs to realize that what happened to her was truly like. Like, was like to. To the darkest of depths. Like, I can't even believe that this child, even at the end of this documentary is like, yeah, she sends me. We were emailing, you know, we were talking on the phone Mondays and Wednesdays. Like, she thought that was cute and fun. And it's like, girl, you still have not processed that the fact that you're the person that's supposed to be taking care of you, abused you, they harmed you, and the fact that they wanted to use this moment Like. Like this. This woman wanted to use this moment to be like, oh, you know, I. Something happened to me. And granted, and this is what sucks. I don't care. I mean, for real, right? But this is. This is what sucks because things do happen to people that are very unfortunate, right? It does not give you license to do that to other people. There is no reason for you to say, you know, this happened to me. But also, you know, you've all done things, and girl, that means you don't feel bad.

[Dustin Ross]

That means you don't feel bad because.

[Francesca (Fran)]

We didn't sense remorse and there was no accountability. So that makes you bringing up your past. It feels like you're just weaponizing it. Because two things can be true. We can sit with you and discuss what happened, and we can also sit with you and you tell us, this is why I did this. But we didn't get that part, which is why she didn't feels like.

[Dustin Ross]

The validity of any of that.

[Asante]

It's insane because we still don't know, because she still never took accountability for doing the whole thing. She said that she had only done some of it. She was like, oh, I. Even towards the end, she was like, oh, yeah, I had only started doing this because, you know, they were happening to them. So then I started texting, talking about, she didn't started.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That didn't make me lying. But what does that even mean?

[Asante]

She was like, I was sending them text to try to figure out if they would say something bad, you know, like. Like, is this such and such or such and such, so I could like, maybe have something like, girl, why are you still lying? I want to break. I remember break the TV at that point again, that was like on the.

[Dustin Ross]

Real Housewives of Atlanta when Phaedra got busted for lying about creating that rumor about Candy saying she wanted to drug and rape Portia. And when she got busted and she was trying to kind of play with the details and timeline. So what was said, remember, Portia was like, you need to come as clean as you can right now. And that stayed with me. This bitch needed to come as clean as she could. Once it was revealed what happened, all that saying it wasn't me at first. Everybody else didn't did bad stuff. You don't have no accountability for this at all. You refuse to accept the magnitude of what you did to your motherfucking daughter and to this other kid and to really all the kids and they school who are affected by this scandal situation going on. You did it. Not only that, you dirty. You dirty Ass. You dirty rotten scoundrel. Like the film, right? You also purposely put yourself in close proximity to these fucking kids and their.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Parents in order to be closer to the kids.

[Dustin Ross]

These are imagine. I hate it when people do this because I don't like looking at shit other than for anything other than what it actually is. Is right. But for the sake of this conversation, imagine if there had been a male and the roles were reversed. We would immediately look at this totally differently. I hate that she's sliding through on this because she's literally a sexual predator.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I agree.

[Dustin Ross]

Literally by definition, she is a lying, deceitful. As a matter of fact, this is what she actually played to and got charged for in the end of 2020. 2022. The FBI probe revealed the truth and she eventually, the mother Kendra, eventually pled guilty to two counts of stalking a minor in 2023 and was sentenced to 19 months in prison. Now, when you watch this documentary, of all the things she did, you mean to tell me they only dropped the gavel on two counts of stalking a minor? With the insinuations that were made with the access that she had to these kids, she should have been punished harsher and this should have way more public. I'm so glad this documentary was made because there needs to be an element of shame attached to this for her that she needs to feel for the rest of her life.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I don't even know if she's feeling it because they said that she been rolling around town like it's not even a thing. And remember her own family members and people around her said she loves attention, that she was one of those people that would do anything to get people's attention. So to me, sadly, it was like her niece or something. To me, sadly, this might feed into that need, you know what I mean? Because she don't seem even her wanting to be a part of it. You know what I mean? Like.

[Asante]

Cause she didn't.

[Dustin Ross]

I'm really sorry. Right.

[Francesca (Fran)]

She didn't give anything to the doc that was useful or helpful to the storyline. She just wanted to be seen and be a part of it.

[Asante]

Yep.

[Dustin Ross]

I am a person. I'm an empathetic person by nature. Right. I really do, like care about what's going on with other people that I care about. If I don't know you, fuck you. Yeah. But if I care about you and I love you, I do care what's going on. I don't give no fucks about them saying that she had Munchausen, a variant of Munchausen syndrome. Or whatever the fuck I don't care about.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I find that interesting though. When they said that this was a digital Munchausen, that was.

[Asante]

That was.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I found that so interesting because Munchausen by definition is basically a parent that's willing to make their child suffer in order to always be the hero and have their child constantly, constantly need them. Usually it's in the form of moms making their kids sick. Remember that story?

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That big movie. And she even went to prison. Came out, became a tick tock star. I forget her name was the little girl ended up killing her mom. Yeah. It was like a big Hulu movie. Yeah, that's what it was called.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So this is the digital version. Right. She was hoping that in breaking her daughter down mentally, physically, emotionally, her daughter would need her more.

[Dustin Ross]

And I don't buy that though. I don't buy it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I thought it was interesting, but something about it. I don't know that I buy that either. But the way she was hugging her.

[Dustin Ross]

I don't buy it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's kind of what made me be like there might be a level.

[Dustin Ross]

I don't buy it. Because she was hugging her friend to appear less harmful in the situation, in the moment, as at the time that was serving her. She. She was hugging her. Just serve her in the moment to not look like the monster that she really is. I don't buy for one exposure. It was rooted in that. I think she liked that little boy. Okay. I think she was jealous of her daughter. Right. For I don't give a About none of the other. You. You had the worst intentions in all of this. I don't buy the savior thing that you wanted to be a hero for your daughter. You don't give a. About your daughter. Cuz look at the words you said to her.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Y.

[Dustin Ross]

You are sexually attracted to that little boy who is a child. And you are jealous of your daughter on a woman level when she's not even a woman. She's your mother daughter. You want it and you wanted to compete with her.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Competitive. Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

And so you took advantage of an anonymous opportunity to be as rude and nasty as your black heart desire to be in real life to your daughter. And you got busted. Don't try to attribute it to. You needed to feel like you was her hero. You wanted to do all that shit. There's no. No plan you can introduce to me that. That I wanted to. To get to this point. So I did this. No, bitch. You wanted to fuck that little boy. Well, she never mentioned Munchausen.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That was More so the, the detective trying to put together a profile, right. Of why she may have been doing this. So that was more so them.

[Dustin Ross]

But to me that forgives her of a lot of responsibility in this. But I, to me it forgives her of a lot of accountability and responsibility to say, oh, her true intention had this. And that's why she did these reprehensive, reprehensible things. No. Some shit that that may apply to. But what she did was so bad. And so it's rooted in a selfish, bad, dark place. I don't want to hear shit about, no, I don't want to have this intellectualized. I don't want to hear shit where we explain it. To me, those sort of things take away from the, the blatant impact and intention of what she did. Don't give her no credit. You give her credit when you attribute her actions to that shit. Talk about what that dirty ass bitch did and remember them words that she was saying to her fucking daughter. That part, I don't want to intellectualize it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You know, in the end when the daughter was saying, saying how she still loves her. But the, the editors started posting the text of that the mom was sending. Did y' all see that part? As the daughter's talking like, I still love her. She's still my mom. They start posting the text on the screen.

[Dustin Ross]

I'm like, as they should.

[Asante]

Don't forget.

[Dustin Ross]

Because that's why when you, when you, when you, when you show a softer side to certain situations, yes, it's good to have context and yes, things can make sense. But when you show. Know that you, you, you normalize things in a way that. Because people identify with those sort of emotions and you normalize things that should not be viewed through no other lens than it being up, horrible and unnatural. That's it. We, we don't need to normalize nothing about what she did or why she did it or none of that. This is a literal monster and she's walking free to do it again. Is something somebody else. She's a, she's a disgusting pedophile ass woman. That's what she is.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah.

[Asante]

I felt bad for the daughter at the end because it's like those showing those messages alongside the daughter still kind of like drinking the kool Aid. It's like she's still a little girl in this. And I felt bad for her because she's the one that this abuse was done to. She's the one still thinking that this monster cares about her for some fucking reason. But now in this group, grand scale, she's gonna look at it as, oh, my God. All these people are like, she even. What she said, she was like, yeah, they're gonna judge her or whatever they have to say, but she's gonna be my mom, and we're gonna have our relationship. It's like, no girl like that. She has, like, violated what mothers do. And so you need to check her for that and not even hold her accountable, really. You need to move on with your life without her.

[Francesca (Fran)]

But there definitely needs to be a detachment for her mental health. But the part that I. Okay, I was just gonna say I heard about this case through the cut. They actually released an article about it back in January, and I. So it kind of sucked for me because when I pressed play on this doc, I didn't know if this was the case because, you know, it didn't say the girl's name or anything. It just said, like, anonymous, whatever. And I start watching it. But I remember thinking, I wonder if this is the case about the girl or her mom. Because the text messages already kind of knew the story of that. But the part that confused me was that the cut, if you read the article, made it seem. Or I shouldn't say made it seem, but I should say in their investigative reporting, the town already knew it was the mom because the mom was just a weird bitch that everybody was, like, not really fucking with like that. So that made me think if that's why we saw the dad be a little exposed, expressionless when he was being told, as well as the daughter being a little expressionless, because everybody kind of.

[Dustin Ross]

Heard the rumor before. Wow.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah. And it was more of confirmation as opposed to, like, an expose in that moment. And so that would make the most sense if you consider the cut article. But that's why I'm wondering why the director chose to leave that out, as well as him not highlighting things that I think are very important to into the case, but also choose the way he formatted the town and the people. It just seemed very distant from Kendra and the fact that people already knew she was weird.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Because they made it sound like she was, like a pillar of the community.

[Asante]

Right.

[Francesca (Fran)]

But I also think, you know, they take poetic license.

[Asante]

Right.

[Francesca (Fran)]

When creating documentaries to keep you enthralled in the storyline. But I think he focused. Focused on that more than giving us the information that we actually needed. In my.

[Dustin Ross]

Trying to see if it's a guy or not. Hold on.

[Francesca (Fran)]

The director.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, that's the BE5. Before friends start using these pronouns, let Me look this up.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Let me switch to that.

[Dustin Ross]

Because she was going off. I want to stop you. Boo. He was like. Because he said. I was like, let me just.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It just irked me. I'm like, it's a woman. Sky Borgman. I want to understand why sky, she.

[Dustin Ross]

Look like she's some kin to the bitch that did it.

[Asante]

Okay. That's Kendra, other cousin.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm just so. I want to hear some behind the scenes because it just didn't make sense to me. Especially when you read the article that came out in the top of the year too.

[Asante]

Just thinking about how, like they did that to a little girl at the end.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Well, yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

Also, there's been an update. According to Glamour magazine had an article about it and they said they're answering some burning questions. One of the questions that they asked was, where are Lauren and Owen now? According to Glamour magazine, both of the twins, both of the teens, graduated in from high school in 2024. And according to online records, Owen is attending a small private college in Michigan where he plays baseball. Lauren first sit down with Sky Borgman, the director, to talk about the documentary in 2023. Sky Borgman said that at the time, Lauren was focused on reuniting with her mom, which we saw in the documentary her, and that she wanted to get back in relationship with her mom and she wanted her back in the life. I thought this was interesting. Sky Borgman said that by the time they ended filming after Kendra is released from prison. So after Lauren's mom was got out of jail, Borgman said that she saw a shift in Lauren, who wanted to now approach the relationship with much more caution in their second interview. So obviously, as time has gone on, Sky Borgman was quoted as saying, she referring to Lauren, she's done a lot of pretty critical thinking, especially between that time and now. These years are such critical years for young people. She's got the most complicated feelings to deal with. Everybody else can hate Kendra. I don't think Lauren can. Right. It's your mom. I mean, how do you navigate that really uncharted waters? Well, the way you navigate it, honey, is by looking at that phone she was sending them messages to and rereading them texts.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, but biologically, kids just want their mama. I know so many kids with the most shitty mom, and they just love her and they'll lie for her and they'll cover for her, and that's just their mom. And it's a biological need and it's hard for them to see her any other way.

[Dustin Ross]

I hope they Wake up. My mama told me I would have switched words for her. You know what I'm saying? That's why your ex ain't. You know what I'm saying? I'll be like, you know what? Now it's me and you.

[Asante]

But she still hasn't connected those. Those dots, which is crazy.

[Dustin Ross]

Reread the text. Reread the text.

[Asante]

But she said, put them on your.

[Dustin Ross]

Board on your mirror like being Mary Jane.

[Asante]

Look, we. We heard it with the digitized voice and busted out laughing. She's going to hear that digitized voice and still think to herself like, wow, like that does sound like who sent them. It's like, no, bitch, your mom who's.

[Dustin Ross]

Should have had the who. Who should they have hired for the voiceover?

[Francesca (Fran)]

No, Dustin. No, no, no.

[Dustin Ross]

Michelle can't do this.

[Asante]

I just think that boyfriend dick. Her daughter like Lauren can't look back and be like, damn. So when we were looking at the points and saying that we blamed it on old girl. That's because my mom takes the points down. Like she literally just is thinking like, damn, my mom did something up. But that's still my mom. Like she's not saying, all right, well the same something up. Because her mom is like, well, I only did this, but you know I love you, honey. I didn't even do that. I did that.

[Dustin Ross]

I did.

[Asante]

This is what I didn't. Don't you remember all the times we and her only got one time to.

[Dustin Ross]

Tell me to kill myself? I'm so sorry. You got one time to say you really don't even have that. But you got one time to tell me to kill myself and I don't need to be around you no more. Mama or not, if you want me.

[Francesca (Fran)]

To live, I would pick up and move to another country. My daughter we going.

[Dustin Ross]

They're in a apparently in the relation and they apparently get along. Remember they showed them at the end of the documentary fishing or whatever. Lauren.

[Asante]

Yeah, Lauren and the dad.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh shoot. I thought you talking about Kendra the dad. I was like, get out of here.

[Asante]

I didn't know he was crying at the end of that. He better not.

[Dustin Ross]

And Kendra, apparently, according to these articles that were written after the documentary or whatever, Kendra is now living in the Detroit area. So she. She's probably like three hours. That's too close south of where they were. But I don't know.

[Asante]

Hopefully she in Detroit.

[Dustin Ross]

I was just finna say tay get out my head. I was finna say I hope she get beat up. Beat her ass.

[Asante]

You know what Unleash Summer none other on her. She can throw all the shit she wants at Kendra actually.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Well now that her face is out there shit about to be a little different, you know, for her. As much attention as she like this going to be.

[Asante]

I hope any security that hires Kendra is. They beat her up.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It's crazy.

[Asante]

Take her deposit.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Poor baby. Praying for Lauren. That's a terrible. Like what a card to be dealt. That's your.

[Dustin Ross]

I don't. I re. I want people to watch the documentary and pay attention to. Try to ignore the voice. Right. But just pay attention to the words that she was saying to her daughter. Don't let that get lost on you. Don't let all the other information and elements that. That are a part of this documentary or this case. We live in an age where we get so much information, right. That sometimes we overlook the weight of certain things. Don't ignore the words that this bitch was saying to her motherfucking daughter. Stay there with it. When you watch this documentary, remember the things that she was coming up with to say to her own child.

[Asante]

That to me think about all of the time she was taking. Think about all of the information and the access that she had and that she was using against these children.

[Dustin Ross]

And watching her daughter have a reaction to these words. Right. Watching her daughter go through turmoil.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Two years.

[Dustin Ross]

Two years watching her respond and watching her daughter react.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Deteriorate.

[Dustin Ross]

Mentally deteriorate.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yep. Suicidal. Suicidal ideation. And then even remember when he started dating someone else, she started harassing that little girl as well.

[Dustin Ross]

And then still harassing her daughter about him having another girlfriend.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right.

[Asante]

Right.

[Dustin Ross]

I just. To me that element over it just. It usurps any other thing that's a part of this. I don't. I'm not concerned about nor do I care about. Have empathy for. Make some space for anything else regarding this. She is a. She is the worst of the worst. She's a deplorable person. And there are some things in life that you just don't do. You have a respect and you protect children. Okay. And this is the. The polar opposite of that. Her daughter was so vulnerable to harm and risk and at risk of harm in her mother's care. Her mother is a bad person and I don't give a damn about why you. She was. She's a horrible woman. And always imagine being married to a.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Woman like that and having kids with a woman like that.

[Asante]

He knew. He knew. So even that woman doubling back saying I don't think she ever worked for fer state. She Was low. She was lowkey. Excited to say that. I was like she been holding this bone and. And the way that she holding it now everybody saying. Well, I been thought Kendra was crazy. Her niece told me.

[Dustin Ross]

Remember her niece? Was that her niece that was tearing her up in the documentary?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah. That was talking about her needing a lot of attention. Yeah. Y.

[Dustin Ross]

So there's more. I feel like. I don't know. I don't know. I. I don't know if sky intentionally left things out to create a part two. I don't know if she was trying to protect that woman in her own way in a. You know, in solidarity. No, I do too. I got questions for Sky. Okay.

[Asante]

Come on.

[Dustin Ross]

Cause bitch, we looking at you now. You know what I'm saying?

[Francesca (Fran)]

What was the reason?

[Dustin Ross]

And I found about the cut article. I found out about the cut article after when I was doing the research to have this conversation. I wish I had known about it before. Cause I would have had even more of a side eye as you do, friend. I would have had even more of a side eye toward her.

[Francesca (Fran)]

But it would have been better. I almost wish I had read it after because you know, it kind of messed up the doc for me. Cause I was.

[Dustin Ross]

I wanted to mess it up for me. Cause now I don't trust Sky. In fact, I'm a real rewatch it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Now that I have now knowing so.

[Dustin Ross]

I can identify even more article.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You should read the article and then watch it again and you're.

[Dustin Ross]

That's what I'm saying. I read it now. I want to rewatch the show because I want to see the holes. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking for the hoes. Okay. It's Sky Borgman fault. Yeah. Anyway, that's it. This lady, man. And I hope that she. I hope that life live literally shoves a cheese grater up her nostrils for the rest of her days. I hope she has a miserable existence on this earth and I hope that everybody sees her for exactly what she is, which is a nasty pedophile, nasty ass woman that is sinister and evil and all the. The ways. Yep, that's what that is. And I don't have no. I don't hold nothing for her other than bad wishes, bad, bad things for her. That's it. You don't with no kids. Don't with cats. You don't with kids.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That's who you don't with your own God. Just when you think you have heard it all. I remember thinking that when I first heard the case. Just when I thought I had heard it all.

[Dustin Ross]

I want to see her do a sit down. We need to sit down with the Lauren girl and Chantelle Christie. Peer to peer.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You know what?

[Dustin Ross]

They need to sit down and talk about how much you got to whip.

[Francesca (Fran)]

On that note, this was an emergency Crime Zone episode. Thank you, Dustin Ross.

[Dustin Ross]

You're welcome. Unknown Number the High School Catfish.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Watch that now on Netflix.

[Dustin Ross]

Welcome to the Friends.

[Asante]

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[Dustin Ross]

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[Asante]

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[Dustin Ross]

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[Asante]

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[Asante]

People.

[Francesca (Fran)]

This week and wellness. We are in awe of the fact that fall is what, next week? Is it next week already? Or two weeks? We were talking off the record, of how the summer felt like an absolute blur. It just felt like it came and went. There was a lot going on, and I'm actually looking forward to having a much more grounded fall. I'm hoping, you know, that I can, like, just kind of dial it in a little more. And. And I don't know. This year is just moving too fast. I just can't believe we're almost at New Year's. Like, how are we here already?

[Asante]

Forward year very. I don't. I didn't. Not to say it felt like it was going to be. It just felt like everything was moving to some degree. So, like, even the summer, like how I went to go see Beyonce in Atlanta, but it's like, I've been to Atlanta several times over, so it was like, damn, like, did. I didn't just go once. So it kind of felt like that overshadowed me going that one special time for Beyonce, since I don't actually live there. I don't know. But, like, certain things, things just felt like. Like few and far. Like, the landmarks just felt real quick. Like, even thinking about Dustin's show, it was like, damn, I was in D.C. too. Like, I didn't even think about, like, all these different places that I kind of was in because they all kind of happened so quickly. But I didn't, like, really get to savor those moments, I guess, because they.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Were all like, nothing stuck. It just. Everything just seemed to happen. I don't know. It's a very strange year. That's why I'm. Are y', all, like. I know we all talked about looking forward to the fall. I've been really. Since it's coming up so quickly, I've been trying to kind of get my ducks in a row right. Just really looking at, like, okay, what are the things?

[Asante]

Trans Fall preparations.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yes. You already know. And that's really the nudge that I wanted to come in here with. I love a seasonal audit. Y' all know how I move. A seasonal purge, a seasonal redirection, reorientation. As. Especially with the way that this year feels like it's just moving entirely too fast. It's like I'm almost trying to grab hold of something. And so I spent a nice chunk of the weekend. Obviously I mentioned I was like in self care mode, but that self care mode outside of the like massages and spas and saunas. I also sat and finally cleared out my fucking contacts on my phone. Something I've been needing to do for literal years.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Because when I first got this phone too I had had a weird glitch where when the guy double double contacts and I don't know what he did, but every email address that I've ever had, like literally anyone who I've ever had a course respondents with, it came into my contact book like a person. And so could you imagine? It's just thousands of people. People that I probably emailed once or they emailed me inquiring about business. They were now a contact. I don't know how he did that. I don't know how that even is possible. But it was so overwhelming to me when I realized it as well as people's contacts that I did need were gone. So it's like so you replaced email contacts where actual contacts are needed. And I think I didn't even know where to start with cleaning that up. That I just kind of let it be and would just kind of focus on cleaning out certain numbers that I did need to clean out my phone but never really sat and like did that, you know what I mean? And I sat for three hours. It took me three hours and deleted one by one all of those contacts that had no business and. And also just old business contacts I had that either the company is not even in motion no more.

[Dustin Ross]

I just sober. That's some weed smoking shit. Like I'm letting that smoke a blunt and just go through all these contacts.

[Francesca (Fran)]

No, I literally wrapped myself in a blanket, put on the fireplace, sat in front of it. Yeah. Put some chill music and just got in there and I got into this sort of zone. You know when you become. You like fixate.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Cleared that phone. And I kid you not, I felt so good after I finished because now when I scroll through my contacts, it's just the people that I want to talk to.

[Asante]

Like a brand new person. Wow.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It's just the people I talk to. I even deleted people I don't really talk to anymore. Like in general, if I haven't spoken to you in a couple years, you know you have those friends that you don't talk to a lot but you still love them.

[Dustin Ross]

There's no sweet then we talking about them other bitches.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So it felt good scrolling and just seeing numbers of people that should be there. That felt really nice. And then that sent me into a whole other thing. I went into my fridge looking at dates.

[Asante]

Oh, you was on a mission after that. You was like, yeah. He was like, you next. What else can I tackle?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Went into the seasonings. Condiments.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah.

[Asante]

Seasonings are.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I remember we talked about this a couple years ago. We've mentioned a couple times. And one girl was like, I didn't know seasonings expired.

[Dustin Ross]

Let me tell you how. When I was packing up my house, so I had movers or whatever, but when I was packing up my kitchen, I was, you know, putting stuff up, and I got to that seasoning cabinet, and I started to put it in the box, and I was like, wait a minute. Why am I moving this season? I started looking at everything and did an audit. I mean, like, four things a seasoning. But that was okay. You know what I'm saying? That's okay.

[Francesca (Fran)]

It was important because I know that people don't know that seasonings expire. And I remember people wrote in saying not only that they didn't know that, but us mentioning it made them go into their cabinet and they had seasonings from 2016.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

And go check your mama.

[Francesca (Fran)]

They mentioned they went into their grandma's who had seasonings from the 90s. I didn't even want to think.

[Asante]

That's some seasoning.

[Dustin Ross]

If you got it, you got it. Because I don't even want to. You know, they. They are not going to be compliant, you know what I'm saying?

[Francesca (Fran)]

So I know she ain't gonna throw.

[Dustin Ross]

That a better chance with your mama, you know what I'm saying?

[Francesca (Fran)]

But I went through those cabinets. And then, of course, the closet. Closet purge, right? So phone contact. The biggest one, too was the.

[Dustin Ross]

For those that are single and women too, niggas and whatever you date, purge they ass to do an audit.

[Francesca (Fran)]

The biggest one, too, was underwear. Had to get those out some that you're like, I don't even know why I'm still wearing this shit. Why you made that fit?

[Dustin Ross]

Well, you know, I'm sexually active, so, like, I. You know what I'm saying?

[Asante]

You need draws.

[Dustin Ross]

I have to stay on top of that, like, right?

[Francesca (Fran)]

To keep.

[Dustin Ross]

I have no raggedy draws.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Cute and spicy. But, you know, I think with us sometimes, because we have our cycle, there's some raggedy draws we kind of keep around because you don't want to wear the nice ones you want. You know, grandpa is raggedy. At least I look nice.

[Asante]

Even though they don't look so good.

[Dustin Ross]

It's like comfort Panties. I had me some bloomers around this motherfucker.

[Asante]

You know what I'm saying?

[Dustin Ross]

I definitely would cover my whole ass, just like you do now.

[Francesca (Fran)]

We was going through our socks. That was a big one too, because we just had some socks that look like they've been through some things, time to let them go, and they start killing at the bottom. Right.

[Dustin Ross]

Men do Nike socks for men are like male lingerie. You got to have the ones that say dry foot on the toe. And if they white, they got to be cocaine white. Chris, you cannot. Like, that's a. That's a thing that classifies you as dusty. You know what I'm saying? If your socks and shit ain't fresh, it's a guy thing.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Like, no, that's what we were literally doing an audit of just the things that needed to be, like, let go. Obviously, T shirts went through just the whole thing. Even my emails, I had to clear out so many. Cause I don't have a Gmail account. Yeah. I literally spent a chunk of my day. Cause I just got in this feeling, and then I realized, like, yeah, the new season. That feeling of, like, clear out, clear out, clear out, clear out.

[Dustin Ross]

So that your partner just put his back and his palms on the wall, like, I don't want no trouble.

[Francesca (Fran)]

He cracks me up because he'll just be like, so we're clear. This is what you're in the mood to do, right?

[Dustin Ross]

Cause I ain't doing all that shit right now.

[Francesca (Fran)]

He hits me with the. Somewhere clear. I always fucking die. Because he'd be like, this is what you're in the mood to do, right? You ain't expecting me to help. No, but he was helping with the clothes and stuff. But, yeah, it just felt really good. And the purging and the purging and the bags and just getting stuff out and just, you know, ready to usher in the new, y' all know, energetically. I'm a big proponent of clearing out to make space right for whatever is trying to come in. So just that end of year lock in.

[Dustin Ross]

You've always talked about that from day one of us working together.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Absolutely. I think it's really. I think Tas used to call it, like, just some energetic. What was her term?

[Dustin Ross]

Hey, Haas.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Hey. Hi.

[Dustin Ross]

We love you, Haas, baby.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Like, energetic tune ups. She would call it, like, energetic tune ups. Any type of. Damn. There's a word she used to use, but it's not coming to me. Like, it was not cracks. Leaks. There we go. That's leaks. Nene leaks.

[Dustin Ross]

How Fred Just did that.

[Asante]

She did it. We got Fran to do it. I feel so proud.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm on the board.

[Dustin Ross]

Y on the board. Yes.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Energetic leaks. That's what she used to call it. And I used to love when she would say that. Cuz I could see it. I'm like, it does look like even my phone carrying all that bullshit in it. I'm like. It felt like I'm carrying around all these people, all these eras that have no place. And it felt. Felt so nice. And that really kind of set me in motion. She hopefully sister. Sister to sister, but sister just wanted to put that nudge out. Want to put that nudge out. We going into the fall. I'm seeing the YouTube videos already popping up. End of year, lock in. Last quarter or what is it? Third quarter, fourth quarter, lock in. Like, let's really do it. And I love it. I'm with it.

[Asante]

Hard 75.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah. Hard 75. Challenges starting to pop up.

[Dustin Ross]

Shout out to Armand Wiggins, too. I don't want to go too far off your. Your plan, but is doing an incredible thing. He has a second channel where he focuses on like I saw, you know, and he's doing like a cleanse. Like a. A cleanse that he's encouraging his subscribers to participate in if they want to. But he's on that right now, that purge. And I think it's really refreshing. Shout out to.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I think it's important. I think it's so important to just really put your ducks on a row. I told y' all this year I felt a little off. Like I can't really shake or I can't really tap in. I should say to something that was feeling off. And it could just be the worst.

[Dustin Ross]

It ain't your hair, girl. It look like you washing and conditioned regularly. Okay.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You know, it could also just be the state of the world. Right? Because sometimes it's not our, like on a personal level, but it's just feeling the.

[Asante]

The weight of.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah. Like. And especially with announcements like the city I'm in, being targeted, you know, like always under siege. The constant barrage of fear that is being put out there. Whether I'm taking it in or not, I'm taking it in. Right?

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So I think it's. I had to kind of sit with him, be like, is it my shit? Because I don't think it's my shit. Because when I look at my life in the audit of what I'm doing, how I'm feeling, I don't feel feel bad in any way, but I think I'm just overstimulated by the reality of the world we're living in. So I'm like, okay, I can't control that.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I literally have no power.

[Asante]

Gwen Stefani, this is not your shit.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Literally don't have any power.

[Asante]

You are not a hollaback girl.

[Francesca (Fran)]

But what I do have power over are just these smaller details of the shit I can control. Right? Like my house, the people around me, my health.

[Dustin Ross]

And the shit in your house.

[Francesca (Fran)]

The shit in my house, literally what needs to get taken out. And I think that's so helpful to just focus on the shit you can control on your day to day while the rest of the shit just gets sorted out.

[Dustin Ross]

I see all them awards, honey, they ain't get purged. I don't see them. But trophies.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And there's way too. Wow, you are so funny. Anyway, but just want to put that out out there. Just a nice seasonal purge cleanse. Just a little nudge. Start looking in them closets. Them linen, them old sheets with little cigarette burns in them. Get them out the linen closet.

[Dustin Ross]

That's why I need to buy them no more sheets. That's gospel shit right there.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So I just wanted to throw that out there. Let's jump into this new season feeling a little refreshed. So we can just do what we need to do. Man, this has been a crazy year, but we gonna finish strong. God will. That's it for this week in Wellness.

[Dustin Ross]

Girl, I want a tithe.

[Asante]

This week in music. There are just a couple of things that I want to touch on. We mentioned them a few times throughout the episode, but Mariah the Scientist and Young Thug. Just more on Mariah the Scientist than Young Thug. I'm not supremely a fan of hers. As I've said in the past, I am familiar with her music. Music, I am. There are certain selections in the catalog that I can appreciate.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah.

[Asante]

One thing I will say about Mariah the Scientist is she is an artist making music. And I just don't want this Young Thug thing to over the overshadow the fact that she has this project out. I have personally not which. And so you just see that I'm being a fair person. Right. Because I have not listened to the project in in full. I've heard a couple of songs. I think you mentioned you played one on the show. Then obviously the Burning Blue song. The music sounds cool. I'm just not into Mariah the Scientist. But I don't think that this Young Thug drama should overshadow the fact that Mariah the Scientist. She out here. She's got music. I'm still gonna check out. Check her out. She should use it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

If I had. She should use it, man. Listen, use it as a roll out girl. Use it. Girls can relate to what you're going through right now. A lot of girls. Roll on.

[Dustin Ross]

He looks musty.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Do some visuals with like. Come on.

[Asante]

Look at what Cardi B just did. She should do a deluxe version and do something with a picture on the phone.

[Dustin Ross]

Did y' all see Cardi on and Harlem on the show in Harlem?

[Francesca (Fran)]

She is so fucking.

[Asante]

Let's see. So shout out to Mariah the Scientist. Let's leave it over.

[Dustin Ross]

Wait, one more thing about Mariah the scientist before we get off of her.

[Asante]

Okay.

[Dustin Ross]

Mariah the scientist is an incredibly talented songwriter. She writes all these songs.

[Asante]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

She needs friend. I'm talking about the only writer. Not a banana writer. Like, it's her. And when you expect. I really want you both actually to listen to this project and read the lyrics as you do. It really grew my respect for her. She's a gifted songwriter. And I was just thinking. I couldn't help but to think, like. And I don't want to take away from what she did, her performance. Right. Her vocal performance. But I was just thinking and like, if some. If she wrote for other artists, other people.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah.

[Dustin Ross]

Oh, my God. Mama be getting down with. That's where I'm usually at with those lyrics because it makes you be like, God damn, Mariah. She's really talented. So I just want to put that out there. She is.

[Asante]

I mean, you're right. The lyrics are what draw me in. And I think that the production that she's chosen is really, really good. It works for her.

[Dustin Ross]

It is. But if another voice was on them records.

[Asante]

Yes.

[Dustin Ross]

If she wrote for like Coco Jones. I'm telling you, like this. It just. The pen game is like next level when you read. It's just kind of like how Mariah Carey is such a gifted songwriter, but she never wrote for no other people that we know of.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Well, she ain't because artists be doing the voice right.

[Dustin Ross]

But like, imagine with her gift, if she wrote for other artists. You know what I'm saying? So I just wanted to put that note in there about Mariah and her new project, which is the same color as Friends sweatshirt.

[Asante]

Rosie, we were mentioning Cardi B. I just want to shout Cardi B out just because I think she's doing. Doing a great job of staying in the media. Just I know that she started off as a personality and Then she moved into music. I think that it's smart for her to keep using both without having to be cheap about it. I feel like certain people, though, certain artists, they, you know, sometimes the music isn't doing so well, which in Cardi's case, it's not as popular as we'd like it to be at certain times. But she does a good job of staying relevant on social media because she was on social media before being an artist and she was good at it. And I think, think that works for her. But I feel like certain artists might feel like, oh, you know, because she pops off in the media, I should pop off like Cardi B. It works for her because that's who she is. So don't take a page out of her book unless you about that. And further to that point, I feel like Mariah the Scientist could benefit from some promo that Cardi just did by with this Young Thug thing. Like, I would personally buy a T shirt from Mariah the Scientist if it was interesting enough about this Young Thug. And I love Young Thug.

[Dustin Ross]

I want you to promise me, look at the lyrics. Can y' all promise me that you're gonna look at the lyrics on this new project? I want to talk to you all about it. That's. That's why I want you send them.

[Asante]

In the group chat when you're looking at them.

[Dustin Ross]

I want, I want to talk to.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Y' all about meaning to sit with her music and. And people like Justin Bieber, you know, just people that. A lot of people like that. I've never.

[Asante]

An emergency friend zone like me. Well, I guess a Music man segment where we will, like, that'll be our homework. We have to pick.

[Dustin Ross]

We can do an episode that's a whole episode, actually.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Okay, well, the artist that we need to sit with and.

[Asante]

But we'll sit with some of them.

[Dustin Ross]

We don't have a sit in. Okay. Like Selma. We're gonna have a sit in, you know what I'm saying? And we're gonna sit our asses down and listen to this music. We're gonna do that.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm down.

[Dustin Ross]

And you're gonna produce it asante.

[Asante]

I am. I just didn't like the sit in part of that last thing I want to mention. Dustin, were you planning on talking about the VMAs?

[Dustin Ross]

Nope. Do your thing, shorty.

[Asante]

Okay.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I didn't even watch them.

[Asante]

Well, the VMAs happened this past Sunday.

[Dustin Ross]

Yes, the VMAs came on Sunday or Sunday before yesterday.

[Asante]

Yeah, yeah, look, days got a little wonky.

[Dustin Ross]

There Sunday for me. Go ahead.

[Asante]

VMAs aired. A lot of fun things happened at the VMAs. LL Cool J hosted. Lady Gaga won and actually.

[Dustin Ross]

And performed. Her performance was great.

[Asante]

So she had to perform the same night. So they actually aired her performance from msg. Like. Well, of one of the songs from msg. Yeah. Which I thought was incredible.

[Francesca (Fran)]

So wait, so who, who else performed that was like exciting.

[Asante]

Sabrina.

[Dustin Ross]

Mariah Carey.

[Asante]

Mariah Carey. Buster.

[Dustin Ross]

I liked and didn't know that. Don't really know their music, but. And that's why I love the VMAs because it always introduces me to somebody else I like. Last year was Chapel Rome before she opened her mouth. But Tate McRae.

[Asante]

Oh yeah.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, that's the dancer one. Right.

[Asante]

When I tell you I've had eyes on Tate McRae.

[Dustin Ross]

She was. They was kicking this sand and stuff. And at first she was just doing that shit that pop singers do. You know that she was just doing that.

[Asante]

And friends, she had to hit Corsol too.

[Dustin Ross]

Yes. She started hitting them splits and it was a well, well choreographed and blocked performance. It was very well produced. I was impressed. I was impressed by her. And what's the guy, the white guy that won best new artist? I think he has a song called paradise if I'm not mistaken.

[Asante]

I didn't catch his. Was that the Adam something?

[Dustin Ross]

He has a Lord. We sound crazy. We sound crazy. Shout out to our brothers at the We Sound Crazy podcast. But his performance was great. He won best new artist and he had a huge choir that performed with him. Shout out to my friends.

[Asante]

Was it Alex Warren?

[Dustin Ross]

I think. What does he look like?

[Asante]

New artist?

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, he looks like a grown up 12 year old.

[Asante]

Dustin.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, that must be him.

[Asante]

I'm just gonna do this for the Patreon.

[Dustin Ross]

That's him then watch, friend. Look, see, don't he look like a grown up 12 year old?

[Francesca (Fran)]

What is wrong with you?

[Dustin Ross]

That's him. That's him. He look like a grown ass. 12. You talking about Munchild?

[Asante]

For those listening, Fran has just confirmed that he does look like an adult 12 year old.

[Dustin Ross]

He does look. He looks like a grown up 12 year old.

[Francesca (Fran)]

The bar jacket ain't helping.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, but he's good though. Look, homeboy was getting down, you hear me? Getting down. And I think he's going to do well. So he might even have like a number one record or something. Don't give me the lying.

[Asante]

But he's good.

[Dustin Ross]

I was impressed by him. And Take Me Cry.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Okay.

[Dustin Ross]

Hate Me Cray I said, okay, I'm about to. I'm about to get. Sit my ass down. I'm gonna get.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I've been noticing her because she stands out in terms of the pop girl.

[Asante]

Tay McRae has been mentioned.

[Francesca (Fran)]

She's never really sat with it, but I'm noticing her because she always dancing, and that in itself is always gonna catch my eye. And then she's not a bad singer. Right. The songs are pretty.

[Asante]

I was impressed. Well, she makes pop. She does pop music. And so it's like, not bad. It's like, it's perfect pop vocals. Right? That type of shit.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Right, right.

[Asante]

So I'm glad we're having this conversation because I remember thinking about or Tate McRae's name coming up before, and the issue that I had, or maybe the resistance I have towards her is that her name always comes up in the conversation alongside Britney Spears. The performance was great.

[Dustin Ross]

Like, they compare her to her.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, that's always gonna happen, though.

[Asante]

They're like, oh, Tate McRae's the new Britney Spears. So for me, it gives me this like, ooh, you know, y' all can't say that. Cause, you know, I was there, but whatever that means, right? But I watched Tate McRae, and I do see, like, you know, for the girls, like, she definitely is someone I watch that is set apart from the pack for me because some of the girls is like, I hear their names, but I can't really. I don't know who, what they look like or anything that they do. But Tate McRae, this is like the third or fourth time I've seen her now, and I'm like, okay. Like, I'm really paying attention because she performed on a late night show and her performance was dope. I watched one of her music videos and she, like, they were like, it was her and a bunch of girls and, like, all white. And I think she was barefoot in that performance too. So I was like, okay, this is like, she's dope. So they were wearing nude, as the gays say. It was giving. So, you know, I decided to continue to watch and I. I loved her VMA performance.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, me too. Me too.

[Asante]

Great, great call out, Dustin. So, yeah, there were some really good performances that night.

[Dustin Ross]

And shout out to TS Madison. TS Madison looks so pretty on the red carpet. Oh, I love that out there, being a star. They was like, ts, ts, TS. So shout out to TS Madison.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I love it.

[Asante]

And other white girls. I don't know if you care for him, but Sabrina Carpenter performed.

[Dustin Ross]

People love her.

[Asante]

They do.

[Dustin Ross]

@ Colman Domingo is in her new video Shout out to.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I saw a clip of that. That. And I said, come. Okay.

[Dustin Ross]

He said yes. He said. He said, okay.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yeah, okay.

[Dustin Ross]

I guess I'll be there.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You know what? You know what?

[Asante]

But yeah, Gaga won a bunch of awards. Yeah. Shout out to Coleman. Gaga won a bunch of awards. And she actually announced that she's doing another leg of her tour.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Sabrina did.

[Asante]

Sorry.

[Dustin Ross]

She was all grayed out. They had her in this gray makeup. She was grayed out. She had like. She had like some big Victorian ponytails and she was grayed out.

[Asante]

I love her set. I love that she's always doing like. She's always super committed to the bit.

[Dustin Ross]

And I really appreciate that about her. It was it. That performance took me back to when she came out in the wheelchair on the awards and started blowing like just the things that made us love the theatrical elements of her performances that she really paid a lot of attention to, detail to, you know, it was very. A classic Gaga performance. And when she was introduced, didn't Paris Hilton was. No, I don't know who it was introduced. Was it Paris? If it was her, which I believe it was, she said, like, how Gaga was a VMA legend. She got like 20 something VMAs. And I started thinking about Gaga's music videos and shit. Lady Gaga is the shit. And one thing about her, the bones are there. You know what I'm saying? The foundation is there that makes her such a gifted artist. She's. Yeah, she's a brilliant piano player. She's an incredible vocalist. You know what I'm saying? Like the fun. You can't just be smoking mirrors. You gotta have the bones. She has the bones. Gaga got the bones. Don't get me started.

[Asante]

She be shaking.

[Dustin Ross]

Don't get me started on that song from that movie. Y' all know what I'm talking about. The one that I wanted. I'm on the table. I wanted that song to win everything, but it was too much Black nominated. I love that song. That is a good song.

[Asante]

Well, child, she announced her second. She's doing another leg of this tour. She's on the tour right now. The May the Mayhem Ball is actually gonna. The second leg is going to take place early in the next year.

[Dustin Ross]

So I want her to do. So happy y' all could die. Put that on.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm so happy.

[Dustin Ross]

We love that lavender blonde.

[Asante]

Okay.

[Dustin Ross]

That's all the snake. Like Laurie Anna.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That gives, like stadium music to me, you know, she has to do that.

[Dustin Ross]

Please do it. Gaga, you know What?

[Asante]

This is super random, but just because I saw their name as I was looking at the VMAs shout out to Cat'.

[Dustin Ross]

Side.

[Asante]

They are the girl group that was created on the Netflix show that I.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Don'T have a screen. And my partner was like, what's happening, Happening here?

[Dustin Ross]

There's a reason that's funny, but I can't say it on the air. I'm about to text it to y'.

[Asante]

All.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, my God.

[Asante]

Oh. Oh, God. Cat's eye. They the only. So because I saw their name, I wanted to shout them out for one of the VMAs. But the reason that I really thought about them is because, you know, they have that Gap commercial out where they.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Which I love. It's so good.

[Asante]

A dance over milkshake. Oh, God, I'm scared to look.

[Dustin Ross]

I wish I could say that on.

[Francesca (Fran)]

There, because you like.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah. Woohoo. And now I want to watch that sort of programming with them just so that I can. You know what I'm saying?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, no, it's terrible.

[Dustin Ross]

That is terrible.

[Francesca (Fran)]

You don't even watch it. He'll just walk out and have a take.

[Dustin Ross]

That is hilarious when I say hel. Because you get it now, Tay, right?

[Asante]

You see what I'm saying?

[Dustin Ross]

Like, it's even. Like, it's even more. The blade is even more sharp. You know what I'm saying?

[Asante]

Well, this girl group was concocted. This girl group was concocted via Netflix, but.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, I never remember that.

[Asante]

Yeah, yeah, they were. They were put together. And there's an intricate story there. I don't really know. I want to get into it. The only reason I brought them up is because I thought about the milkshake commercial, and one of my friends has said, wow, of course, the Milkshake Girls, they got it.

[Dustin Ross]

Sorry, milkshake Girls. What happened to Drake? Tl, Speaking of Netflix music shows, where is Dre?

[Asante]

Tl? Dustin, give me one second before you do that. Because the problem is these Netflix shows, a lot of these, These artists, that nothing really happens with them.

[Dustin Ross]

I don't want, like, the voice his ass, you know, like season one. We don't ever know what happened to who. Where he from.

[Asante]

I don't remember music, though. I don't remember specifically who won season one. I remember a few of the people that made it into the finals in season one, but I don't know where.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah, where is he at? Donde V. Adl. Remember?

[Asante]

I'm saying, yeah, that was season two. I'm saying I don't even know what happened to the winner of season one? So that's why I came here. Like, I'm not even expecting, like, no shade. Not that I was like, yeah, he won. Now he's gonna have a record deal. But, like, I was like, yeah, he won. Hopefully something does come of that. Like, I think that they say you only win cash prize anyway, so I guess they get Lotto you.

[Dustin Ross]

Where he at? Lotto you set up there chewing gum.

[Asante]

All season for the wrong one to do something about anything. But the reason I thought about the Milkshake Girls is because I want to shout Lorianne Gibson out. So since you had just mentioned her because she was one of the purveyors of milkshakes because of the famous clip from Making the Band with the. She had the girls doing the choreo routine over a milkshake.

[Dustin Ross]

Okay.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say she choreographed the Gap commercial.

[Asante]

No, the choreographer.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Ow.

[Asante]

Damn. I should know his name because I keep seeing that dance. That commercial is so popular. My tick. My Tick Tock. My Instagram videos. There was one point where it just kept showing me people, like, making fun of it or doing the dance or shouting him out. I was just like, you know what? This is fire. And it's good. It's exciting when things like that happen in art and fashion too, if you want to bring that into the conversation. But that's why I love art. Like, whenever you have outside of music, you're hearing things on the radio. Whenever you see people move, and that brings people into the spirit of something, right? Like, a lot of people watch that commercial and was like, oh, you know, these girls are hot, or these girls clothes are cool, or like, they were just interested. It just made you want more. So I think that was the first.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Time that Gap has done that, because. Was it Troy? Is it Civian? I don't know his name. He had a dance commercial that was stuck in my head all the time. I don't know if y' all ever saw it. And it's like, it was like these girls doing this shoulder thing. It was so cute. It was so good.

[Asante]

Yeah. Robbie Blue is the name of the choreographer.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Okay. Robbie, you did that to create the.

[Asante]

Dynamic routine for the Better in Denim fall campaign.

[Dustin Ross]

Okay. Gap, they're known for having great commercials. They've been good.

[Francesca (Fran)]

When they get in that bag, they've.

[Dustin Ross]

Been slaying for years.

[Francesca (Fran)]

What's his name?

[Dustin Ross]

Yes. Shout out to Got to be Real.

[Asante]

Troy Sivan or Troy Sivin.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Sivin. Sivan. I think it was his Gap or Their excuse me, Gap commercial. Yeah, yeah, look that up. You haven't. It's fire.

[Asante]

Yeah, I see fire. I even seen Sean Bankhead do a little freestyle over the other.

[Francesca (Fran)]

A whole denim fit. That was fire.

[Asante]

Yep. So, yeah, shout out to all the artists and their campaigns. You know, we love to be on that train as well. That's it for the artist dimension portion of this program. Now we're going to do the listens lately songs to play because I want to know what y' all been listening to. Not just because I'm nosy. It's because my ears is hungry. Okay, so feed them, friend. What have you been listening to over there?

[Francesca (Fran)]

So I had to shout out our sister, Antoinette Henry. Do y' all know she has a song out?

[Dustin Ross]

Yes, yes.

[Asante]

I did not know that.

[Francesca (Fran)]

First of all, she's going to hate us for this. But I'm going to take it. I'm going to take it because I just think she's being hard on herself. She sounds amazing. The project, this is the Christian McBride Big Band and it's called Without Further Ado, Volume One. The song is called Come Rain or come shine, Christian McBride featuring Anton Wright Jazz classics. Antoinette, Antoinette Henry. And this is how it goes. And I'm gonna love you like nobody's loved you Come rain or come shine. High as a mountain and deep Deep as a river. Come rain or come shine. I guess it was when you met, met me it was just one of those things. But don't ever bet me cuz I'm going love it true if you let me you're going to kiss me like nobody's.

[Asante]

You better sing, Antoinette.

[Dustin Ross]

You better do that, girl. I'm so proud of her, man.

[Asante]

She sounds incredible.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Y' all have to check that out. Don't I? Don't. I'm like, don't. You should hit her about it because she's going to be like, leave me alone. Maybe you know what? Hit her.

[Dustin Ross]

Feel the love y around the way.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Curls have our own mental blocks. And sometimes seeing all the love and support will help us get through it. So yes, Hit her. Tell her you heard it. Tell her we sent you. Shout out to you Antoinette. You killed that. You sound beautiful.

[Asante]

Yes. Antoinette, right?

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yukimi and Little Dragon have a record called Sad Makeup that I really like. And this is how it goes.

[Dustin Ross]

Sadness long.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, I've been trying hard to hide it for so long I've been wearing smiles trying my best to be polite.

[Asante]

I love it.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I love it. Right? She makes me happy. And then lastly, it was so Many to play. I I just got into an Amel Larue bag. Y' all know how I feel about my Amel. Just going through her discography outside of groove theory, but also just her solo projects. And I started playing get up and I was like h I just love her. Amela Rue get 6am getting out of bed again can't get back in sleep Ain't gonna pick the rest day to day I got you working like a slate Taking credit for the work you gave and stealing your she's one of the ones that will get real political but make it sound so pretty Singing along like damn, this song is deep. I love her. She's one of my forevers, one of my influences. So had to put her out there. Shout out to Amela Roon. That's it. Those are my three for this week.

[Asante]

Amazing friend. What about you, Dustin Ross? What you over there listening to?

[Dustin Ross]

Shout out to our friend of the show, my homegirl Quinn. Shout out to her. Congratulations on motherhood. She just had a beautiful baby girl.

[Asante]

Congratulations, black girl.

[Dustin Ross]

Quinn went straight to the booth. She got a new song called zip. Want to hear it? Here it goes. Sam Fire. Right? What else do we expect from Quinn? Shout out to Lizzo. She put out a deluxe version of her mixtape, My face still hurts from smiling. She got a new song on there. I really like this beat. The song is called idgas.

[Francesca (Fran)]

That I don't give a. If I gave a you would know by now Give a. Tell me something they don't know about me already. That I don't give a. If I gave a you would know.

[Dustin Ross]

By now that's dope right there. And this last song, right, this last song is one of my all time favorite songs. I don't know, it just make me feel feel good. And also he sang the out this song especially the little second verse in the chorus. But here we go. This is Hanging around by the Counting Crows.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh, the Counting Crows. Oh.

[Dustin Ross]

Sat right down so far. Been waiting for you.

[Asante]

Cause last night I had some soul.

[Dustin Ross]

Yeah. Shout out to the Counting Crows. That's it for me this week.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Nice. I love you.

[Asante]

All right.

[Dustin Ross]

Oh this time to be waiting what I am after the love is breaking Hanging around this town on the corner he be singing the out this.

[Asante]

That was the first pick that I am going to choose is from one half of earth gangs. Johnny Venus has been releasing music. This track is called Johnny Venus has a penis. I. I'm not sure but I believe so I am sure. Sorry but this song is called Shooter. We'll play it Tell me who you talking to. What make you think you could treat me like you do? You must be crazy you must be washing your roof on a rainy day Must be the pain I say how you packing attitude for each day on vacation? Send another love, send another love. New face today I need a shooter. Next selection.

[Dustin Ross]

And that cover art was gorgeous. But by the way, right?

[Asante]

Don't they look good? Next song I'm going to play.

[Dustin Ross]

I like that.

[Asante]

I'm going to play. Ella May has a new song and she is not laughing her ass off on it. This song is called Tell her and here's how it goes.

[Francesca (Fran)]

I'm on some new switch up the for moving don't waste my time I don't stand in no lines you so stuck in your mind when you going to get it together? You want some hood and it's cool I don't care up in your dam I'm still here I put aside how I feel cuz I love you and I'm understanding and I know that the life we both live in is hard diminish but it feels Think she can call your phone? You better tell her you love me but no one above me say my name, say my name Ain't gonna play no games it's time to make it plain. Boy don't be acting strange. When I love, I love hard. When I give, I give. Oh yeah.

[Asante]

Last selection that I'm gonna play comes from an artist. Artist formerly known as Nicole Ray or better known as Nicole Ray. Lady Ray has music out. I'm with this sound. I'm. I'm really feeling Lady Ray. I have a few songs favorited I can. I'm just gonna play this. I think this is the last song on this. I'm not sure if this is the actual project, if there's more music coming, but there are a few songs available that just recently came out. The song I'm gonna play is called Be a Witness. Here's how it goes. So yes, I'm feeling her. I'm. I'm still. We still feeling her. Shout out to everybody. We have fun. That's it for the Music man segment. Damn, Dustin Ross. What have you been watching? Because was this TV land time?

[Dustin Ross]

So in TV land, of course you brought up the VMAs. That was good. Check it out. Check your local listings. Check your Internet service providers. Also, this is a bit of a variant from television, but it's related to tv. Cynthia Bailey, my girl. And Crystal King Monkoff. Crystal. Crystal from Beverly Hills. Crystal King Minkoff Mink Off. Crystal King, Mink Off. They have a podcast called Humble Brag that is really, really good. I don't know if you guys are paying attention, but watch it. They have great guests on there from time to time. But the best, the most special moments are when the two ladies are just kicking it, talking about the things that they're talking about. So check out Humble Brag with Crystal and Cynthia. That's a great podcast for you to listen to. Love and Marriage, Huntsville. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's going dine, so make sure you catch up on that. Also in other OWN related television news, Bell Collective is about to come back. Top of October, Bell Collective will be back. There's a new belle and her and one of the OG Belles, Marie, are gonna butt heads if you watch Bell Collective, you know what I'm talking about. And if you don't watch Bell Collective, your ass needs to start because it's a great show. Think how Married to Medicine exists in the world where housewives exist as well. It's the same thing over at OWN when it comes Bell Collective and the Love and Marriage franchise because there's Love and Marriage, Huntsville, love and marriage, D.C. love and marriage, Detroit, and then there's Bell Collective, which stands on its own. So make sure you guys watch that. You know, tune in, support these black owned, black created television shows. Support them.

[Asante]

Did you watch the other show you were talking about a show in I.

[Dustin Ross]

Think Texas, Hurt in Houston. No, but I'm going to. There's two Houston shows. So Kingdom Rain had one, one show, Family Empire Houston, which ran for a season, which is great. And there's another show called I believe Heart and Soul Houston, or Heart in Houston. I don't want to get the title incorrect, but there's a new show on OWN that is not Kingdom Reign produced, but it's great. And it's about a group of women in Houston, Heart and Hustle in Houston. It's a great show, so check that out too. It's a few shows out right now that you should be watching if you're interested in ensemble cast reality television. There's a few new shows that people should be be paying attention to and that's one of them. So watch that. Watch Love and Marriage Huntsville. And that's it for me. I'm glad Karen Huger is free.

[Francesca (Fran)]

And also we started watching Damascus.

[Dustin Ross]

Yes.

[Francesca (Fran)]

If you want to join us on Patreon as Asante is about to start recapping that this week and you can follow along because we're just getting started just on episode one and it's on tubi for free. So pretty easy, easily accessible. For those of you who want to watch and come hang with us on the binge, come on with it. The series where we recap television and film. So patreon.com forward/the friendzone podcast. The show is called Damascus. It's good. Just watch the first episode.

[Asante]

We are just getting started with Damascus for the binge. And as friends so eloquently stated patreon.com the Friend Zone podcasts I almost let that slip child and we're also going to be starting a new book soon for the situation. We're finishing up the Midnight Library. For those of you that have been reading along with us, let us know how you've been enjoying the Midnight Library. And for those of you that have not been reading along with us again, we're going to be starting a new book pretty soon. So that way you'll be able to join our new one.

[Dustin Ross]

So you won't read the Midnight Library because it's really good.

[Asante]

Read the Midnight Library. It's. It's really good. It's a great read. And also it's gonna come in handy for some for an episode in the future. Produced by Friend, I believe.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Yes, absolutely. I got so inspired by the second episode of us recording about the Midnight Library. I was like, we have to do an episode about this. So good.

[Dustin Ross]

I wish Della Reese was still alive. Cause she would have played a mean Ms. Ellen.

[Asante]

The hell? Mrs. Ellen.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Oh my God. I can see that. How funny.

[Asante]

Perfect.

[Dustin Ross]

Mrs. Elmo talking about Touched by an Angel. But yeah, that's it for me for the television segment. So I guess that means Friend. What time is it?

[Francesca (Fran)]

That is it for us. We love you guys so much. Thanks for hanging with us yet another week. We love you. And we'll catch you guys next week.

[Asante]

Stay black and protect your magic.

[Francesca (Fran)]

Bye.