Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Futur with Chris Do
Episode: Unlocking Your Higher Self w/ Jay Brown | Ep 399
Date: November 20, 2025
Host: Chris Do
Guest: Jay Brown

Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Chris Do sits down with Jay Brown—a multidimensional coach and entrepreneur—to explore the intersections of higher self, presence, spirituality, art, business, and personal transformation. The conversation moves fluidly from Jay’s unique backstory through concrete methods for helping others identify their life’s purpose, the science and spirituality of presence, and the importance of safety and awareness in creative and professional pursuits. Both guests examine their views and personal skepticism on spirituality, contrasting logical approaches with more esoteric models for growth.

Key Topics & Insights

1. Jay Brown’s Background and Journey (01:35–04:46)

• Jay shares his life arc: born in the Philippines, moved to San Diego, later Hawaii, then back to San Diego.
• Early life in sports—football served as a potential way out of poverty.
• Severe injury forced Jay to confront the loss of an athletic identity.
• Professional pivots: insurance, music licensing, event production, celebrity circles—all brought external success, but left him with deep anxiety, fear, and inner dissatisfaction.
• Major life events: Divorce and the sudden death of his sister in 2013 catalyzed a profound personal transformation.
• Current work: Holds "fields of presence" for clients, helping them clarify purpose, dissolve limiting beliefs, and build aligned businesses.

Memorable Quote:

“I dedicated my entire life to that craft and became a star athlete … but internally, I still felt a lot of anxiety and fear … Those two challenges really precipitated me going on this journey of transformation and wanting to understand myself.”
—Jay Brown (01:35–03:47)

2. Helping Others Unlock Their Highest Self (04:46–08:13)

• Jay holds space for clients to tap into “divine intelligence” and identify energetic blocks.
• Guides clients to their unique skills—the things they do naturally and effortlessly (06:10).
• Builds practical tools: content, website, pitch decks for aligned work.
• Points to the danger of seeking fulfillment externally—“chasing validation” (08:30).

Memorable Quote:

“My gift is being able to hold a field of presence for individuals that allows them to tap into their highest self, their soul, divine intelligence.”
—Jay Brown (03:52)

3. Barriers to Self-Realization (08:13–10:48)

• Core distortion: Belief that one’s needs are met through external validation, not alignment with life or "source."
• Leads to stress, overwhelm, and lack of fulfillment.
• Chris agrees, framing it as the difference between extrinsic and intrinsic pursuits.

Notable Quote:

“Believing our needs get met through other people ... go against who we truly are. And that causes us to be out of alignment.”
—Jay Brown (08:30)

4. Entry into Spiritual Exploration & Influences (10:48–15:24)

• Jay’s introduction to spirituality came via his ex-wife, Melissa, and Dr. Victor Vernon Wolff, creator of the "holodynamics" modality.
• Holodynamics: merges multiple sciences to unlock consciousness and self-healing.
• Dr. Wolff’s story—credited with helping defuse the Cold War, surviving assassination, and healing himself—offered Jay a bridge between science and spirituality.

Memorable Moment:
Jay relates how the cold war story and scientific credibility finally broke through his resistance to "the unseen."

“At that time, I didn’t believe in God... But then Dr. Wolf brought the science to me. He helped me understand what’s in the unseen and how it influences the way in which we operate in the world.”
—Jay Brown (12:52)

5. Spirituality, Logic, and Creative Alignment (15:24–20:50)

• Chris expresses a logical, practical approach—“secondhand woo” from his wife.
• Jay challenges Chris’s self-perception—arguing that to truly help creatives, one must understand spirituality as the link to purpose.
• Chris redefines spirituality as “understanding, accepting, and expressing your truest self,” and is cautious about the metaphysical angles.

Notable Exchange:

“Spirituality is to understand, to accept, and to express your truest self. I’m like, well, if that’s the definition of spirituality, heck yes, I’m all in.”
—Chris Do (16:50)

6. Multidimensional Selves & Energy (17:15–24:10)

• Jay introduces Dr. Wolff’s quantum metaphysics: the "multiverse," and the idea that your highest self exists on another plane.
• Teaches clients to connect with their "full potential self" via somatic visualization (sensation as confirmation).
• Chris discusses cultural/media shifts towards multiverse concepts (e.g., The Matrix) and how his wife brings these ideas into daily life, sometimes with humorous household tension.

Quote & Laughter:

“I’m quick to remind her it’s the three-dimensional self, me, who works hard to pay for all this junk that you get to enjoy in your fourth dimensional self.”
—Chris Do (22:41)

7. Purpose of Art and Its Spiritual Role (24:10–30:04)

• Chris: Transition from seeing himself as a “designer” to an “artist”; art is an invitation to view the world differently.
• Jay: His COVID-era filmmaking rekindled his identity as an artist and highlighted the mental health benefits of pure creative engagement.
• Shares Rosicrucian Museum revelation—Ancient Egyptians saw artists as conduits to divine intelligence, not just for the living but for guidance in the afterlife.

Key Quote:

“Art isn’t just this thing we experience as pleasure … it is an avenue for us to connect with divine intelligence so that we can understand how to create things, not only in this third-dimensional reality, but also when we die, our energy doesn't die...”
—Jay Brown (28:04)

8. Living Authentically & Being “Yourself” (30:04–32:39)

• Jay describes “being yourself” not only as authentic behavior but as preparing your body for intelligence to move through you.
• When you live at the soul level, your presence elevates others and models alignment.

Quote:

“You prepare your vessel, your human body, for intelligence to move through you … it moves you in the way that is in alignment with your soul.”
—Jay Brown (30:16)

9. Recognizing Elevated Presence & Frequencies (32:39–43:58)

• Chris and Jay discuss “vibe”: Presence is the leading indicator.
• Heart openness (“coherence”) is the next; Jay describes HeartMath Institute’s research and personal use of their biometric devices.
• Transformation as a path to freedom, not productivity or material gain.
• Exemplars: Amma, the hugging saint; the Dalai Lama—people who radiate uplifting presence.

Notable Timestamps:

• Traits of high-vibe individuals:
  • Presence in the moment (33:48)
  • Open heart, “coherence” (35:47)
  • Doing inner work for the sake of freedom (40:33)

10. Practical Presence: Breath & Self-Awareness (44:49–54:08)

• Breath training is crucial for presence; many suffer from disordered breathing due to modern living.
• Jay elaborates on simple group breathwork and awareness exercises to open learning and connection spaces.
• Self-awareness: Noticing thoughts, patterns, and emotional states is the gateway to internal and external transformation.
• Chris shares gratitude exercises and setting aside beliefs to create space for new ideas.

Key Exercise (54:15–56:24):
Jay prompts groups to experience presence/absence in partnered storytelling, contrasting distracted vs. fully present listening.

11. Creating Safety and Connection in Groups (60:09–69:19)

• Jay’s “Pillow Talk” exercise (airing at Airbnb) creates profound safety and trust in groups by sharing what makes participants feel safe—blindfolded, through whispered interaction.
• Safety as a prerequisite for learning and transformation.
• True community is built on repeated feelings of safety and genuine connection.

Quote:

“Most people never think about in their life what actually makes them feel safe, and this is a prerequisite to being your best self.”
—Jay Brown (61:50)

12. On Limiting One’s Own Impact (69:19–77:08)

• Jay gently confronts Chris: teaching from personal experience is powerful, but those not attuned to their true (spiritual) self may remain unaligned, only achieving superficial or material success.
• Chris admits to teaching “autobiographically,” but values the breadth of influence even if only a few truly apply the lessons.
• Both agree: depth vs. breadth—Jay works best with those ready for deeper transformation; Chris aims for wide impact and then funnels those seeking greater depth.

13. Closing Thoughts and How to Connect with Jay (77:49–80:19)

• Jay’s website: mindfraime.com (M-I-N-D-F-R-A-I-M-E), Instagram also available.
• Most work is one-on-one or small group, often exploring practical applications of spiritual principles.
• Both reflect on fate and the “non-coincidence” of their meeting, expressing interest in future collaborations linking wide-reaching content with intimate depth work.

Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On finding purpose:
  “When I followed these blueprints … to happiness and success and fulfillment did not happen for me.” (03:17)

• On divine intelligence & practical business:
  “I help them build the structures—the content, the copy, the websites… all the practical things, to actually create the container for them to live out their mission.” (04:34)

• On presence:
  “Presence is everything. That’s the highest priority of what I’m training as a skill …” (33:55)

• On coherence and the heart:
  “When you are in coherence, your body feels relaxed … More divine intelligence can come through the vessel of your body.” (36:14)

• On education and readiness:
  “If they're not in this coherent state, it’s almost a waste of my time. You could say all the things that will change their life, but when they’re not in that state, it’s almost as if that information just goes here and then out the other direction.” (37:06)

• On creating safety:
  “This is a prerequisite to being your best self—feeling safe in the world. If you’re not feeling safe, your nervous system is dysregulated.” (61:50)

• On living one’s mission:
  “You need the physical … but the next level is understanding how energy works … so you can receive the guidance that will tell you the minimal things you need to do to create the most abundance in your life.” (75:00)

Timestamps for Highlight Segments

• Intro & Jay’s background: 00:00–04:46
• Helping clients find their true work: 04:46–08:13
• Barriers to higher self: 08:13–10:48
• How Jay found spirituality: 10:48–15:24
• On spirituality and logic: 15:24–17:15
• Quantum self & multiverse: 17:15–24:10
• Purpose of art: 24:10–30:04
• Living as your higher self: 30:04–32:39
• Presence, vibe, coherence: 32:39–43:58
• Achieving presence: 44:49–54:08
• Self-awareness practices: 54:08–60:09
• Safety, group connection, Pillow Talk: 60:09–69:19
• Challenge to Chris’ method: 69:19–77:08
• How to find Jay: 77:49–80:19
• Final reflections: 80:19–end

Conclusion

Chris and Jay’s honest, fast-moving dialogue bridges practical design, the invisible substrate of presence, and spiritual growth. They chart a path from external ambition and validation toward a more holistic and purpose-driven sense of success, one sourced from presence, safety, and authentic self-inquiry. The episode offers a spectrum of practical, proven exercises alongside mind-bending possibilities for personal and professional transformation—meeting listeners wherever they stand on the logic-to-woo continuum.

For more on Jay Brown’s work:

• Website: mindfraime.com
• Instagram: @mindfraime

For show notes and more episodes:

• thefutur.com/podcast

This episode is a must-listen for curious creators, educators, entrepreneurs, and anyone drawn to the intersection of science, spirit, and deep personal effectiveness.