For some politicians, like Arizona Superintendent Tom Horne, Trump's attacks on DEI, transgender students and dismantling the Department of Education come as good news. It follows rhetoric that he's been pushing for years. But for others, like Attorney General Kris Mayes, a lawsuit is in order.

This week on The Gaggle, a politics podcast by The Arizona Republic and azcentral.com, hosts Ron Hansen and Mary Jo Pitzl are joined by two of the paper's education reporters.

(1:13) - They break down how Arizona's education system is being impacted by the Trump administration, how divided Arizona politicians are on national decisions and what is being done at the local level regarding DEI reduction.

(19:15) Mary Jo and Ron use their expertise to explore where repercussions to following — or not following — the president's ideas stand.

Email us! thegaggle@arizonarepublic.com

Leave us a voicemail: 602-444-0804

Guest: Helen Rummel, the Arizona Republic's higher education reporter, and Madeleine Parrish, the Arizona Republic's K-12 education reporter.

Hosts: Ron Hansen, Mary Jo Pitzl

Producer: Amanda Luberto

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