What if the fastest way to build mental toughness is to choose the hard thing on purpose?

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Andy Glaze. Andy is an ultrarunner, firefighter, and author of Smile, or You're Doing It Wrong. He’s built a following by documenting what it really takes to keep moving when your body and brain are begging you to quit. Together, they break down why high performers chase extreme challenges, what ultramarathons reveal about failure and resilience, and how to apply those lessons to leadership, business, and life.

Here's what you'll learn:

Why high performers deliberately seek challenges with a real chance of failure, and how that mirrors entrepreneurship.
How to build durability through “time on your feet” and zone 2 discipline, instead of relying on intensity and motivation.
Why learning to reframe pain, setbacks, and criticism is a competitive advantage in business and in life.

If you’ve been waiting to feel ready before you take your next big leap, this episode will challenge that mindset.

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Show Notes:
(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:34) How Andy's 100-mile runs changed Michael's view of limits
(00:03:18) How Andy got into ultrarunning in his 30s
(00:05:20) Why runners go beyond the marathon
(00:07:01) Why ultrarunners are wired like high performers
(00:09:46) What a 200+ mile race actually feels like
(00:23:50) The link between addiction and endurance sports
(00:29:51) How Andy handles online hate
(00:33:17) Why DNF matters
(00:39:08) The real cost of chasing big goals
(00:47:35) How Andy defines success

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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