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Gary Vaynerchuk
Attention will get you everything you want. You want to sell a course. Attention. You want to sell a T shirt. Attention. You want to be the mayor of this town? Attention. You want to raise some money for your non profit because you're passionate about it. Attention. You want to be an actor? Attention. This is the GaryVee audio experience. Attention. It is the only asset that everyone in here must chase to produce what they want. Being unemotional about where the attention is is very important. Too many of you have demonized platforms out of your subjective opinion. A bad experience and we must get over that hump.
Robin
Once you sit in this room and.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Understand that everything you want to happen is about building brand and sales in social networks then you start having to get good at it.
Industry Executive
My big question is a lot intellectually know that we have a lot of super, super smart people in the industry even on board level but why don't they act? And what would you help them on? On or arguing? Guys, you need to act on social media and now and even on TikTok.
Robin
Brand always outpaces sales.
Gary Vaynerchuk
That's it.
Industry Executive
So what do you mean with that? Because the next question people ask when they say okay, maybe 20 million views a month isn't too bad for a country with 80 million visitor people that live there. When do we make money with it?
Robin
Well, I asked them when they make.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Money when they run a commercial for $150,000 you will love.
Robin
You know you always make money when you have brand. Nike doesn't knock on your door and sales to you, you know it to me, brand over everything. And the same way that you know. Again Robin, this is the same old argument. Making content on LinkedIn every day is far more effective than buying a booth at a conference or buying a full page ad in a B2B magazine. Yet because they've been buying booths at conferences or buying B2B magazine print for 40 years, they think it works. But they don't think LinkedIn content or TikTok works. I understand this, I just, you know, I'll be honest with you Robin. I'm not in the business of convincing people. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not in the business of convincing people. I'm in the business of putting out my thoughts, to be historically correct to build my own brand so that people believe what I'm saying has more weight as my career with my gray hairs keeps going up. That's it. So for me, what do I say to people? I say this is what I believe is happening. It's been very obvious that this is what's been happening for 20 years. And if you're not interested in adjusting to it, I think that's at the detriment of building your business. And how do you make money? When people know who you are and what you sell, they end up doing business with you. And this is brand building. I don't know what else to tell you.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Let me give you an example of a real estate or mortgage professional that is, all day long, one of the most clever moves everyone can do here. You start a podcast around the town you do business in, and now you're reaching out to people that you want to do business with, and instead of trying to sell to them, you tell the rich dentist in your town, hey, you're a pretty amazing dentist. You want to be on my podcast to tell people about your dentistry? Now you've just turned a sales pitch and not into a sales pitch, but now you're giving the dentist a platform. Now that dude's come to your fucking house. Now you're fucking friends. Now you get the fucking business. That's a good idea. And by the way, let me tell you about humans. They've all got egos. Even though nobody's listened to your podcast, nobody asked that dentist to ever be on a podcast before. And he's pumped.
DTC Brand Representative
As a DTC Gar brand.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Yes.
DTC Brand Representative
@ kind of a impulse purchase price point.
Gary Vaynerchuk
How much?
DTC Brand Representative
30 to $50.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Nice. Like it?
DTC Brand Representative
Okay, so as that brand.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Yes.
DTC Brand Representative
What paid advertising platform would you target before others if you were to just.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Choose that other channel? Facebook, number one. Which is crazy, right? But, like, the way you asked the question, right? Like, I only have so much money. Like, your biggest upside is probably TikTok. But TikTok ad product is not as refined as Facebook right now for dtc, and there's enough vulnerability there that I'm not sure you know how to make the content for TikTok. What made everybody win in DTC with Facebook is you didn't have to make good content. Facebook was so fucking effective. The math worked for everyone. They didn't realize they were doing crappy ads. It just worked because the media was so goddamn underpriced. And people like big companies would rather do a million dollars doing TV commercial that none of you would watch than put into Facebook. And that's where the arb was. So I still think it's Facebook, believe it or not. But I would say that if you feel in your heart or your stomach, you understand what I'm saying about, like, make content for the platform and you understand the kind of content that could work on TikTok. And I would also say here's a real good hack for all of you selling something in that range. Post like crazy organically and when something goes viral, turn that creative into an ad. I call that brandformance. You're doing brand, but the second the world told you like, I like this video, you retake it and you turn it into an app. You know, you almost turn it into qvc, not a TV show. Like, you tweak it a little bit with a call to action and hard right hitting like buy, buy, buy. And that will do extremely well.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Perfect.
DTC Brand Representative
Yeah, we've had some content on TikTok that's doing well organically. So that's why I was gearing towards that.
Gary Vaynerchuk
But meta ads crushed. That platform's so fucking advanced. And Facebook specifically, because you have an older demo that has a higher propensity to buy. But TikTok, the ads, the videos that have gone well, take them out again, tweak them with a call to action, put a price over, like it's okay to turn it into an ad and rerun it as an ad. I think you'll be surprised.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
This market is completely untapped. Right. And I've tried a bunch of different ways to penetrate it and I haven't been able to do it. And I'll explain how I've tried. Right. So I won. This the way.
Gary Vaynerchuk
How do you define the market?
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
How do I define the market?
Gary Vaynerchuk
Oh, the market, yeah, sorry.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Parents of those with autistic children and adhd. Children with adhd.
Robin
Right.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
So essentially when this whole thing started, I was 16, joined like this shark tank for high school and had 20,000 competitors move on. So then from there we got like this patent and had. And then it immediately took on this like, own world when it comes to like media success. From like local news to People magazine in six months to abc, Inside Edition. And it just kept going for like a year and a half, which is awesome. You know, glory to God. But the thing was that all our sales came from like publicity. And then once that went away, I really didn't have the skills to be able to make sense, create that we're still like pre revenue, you know.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's a common story.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Okay. Yeah.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Like, you know, media coverage happens all the time. There's always a feel good story. There's always something that the media wants to put at the end of a. They scare you to death for. For 49 minutes and tell you how World is horrible. And then they tell you, like, a kid's got a chocolate business at the end, you know, so. And to your point, that shit can pop off and you can get a lot of sales, but to your point, if you don't build actual sustainable infrastructure, you don't have a business.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Exactly.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Okay.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
That's kind of what I ran into, like.
Gary Vaynerchuk
And you don't even know that. The first go around, you just think it's gonna go forever.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
And it kept going. It was so.
Gary Vaynerchuk
And a year when you're this young is like a lifetime.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
It was honestly like two years and a half because it was all a hot. The rest of high school. And then.
Gary Vaynerchuk
But then did you become addicted to that thing? Did you, like, think the only way. Like, did you at some point realize, I need more press. I need more press? Because that became. Yeah.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
So I was like, it wasn't. It wasn't a drug, but it was.
Gary Vaynerchuk
You know what I mean? Right.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
I don't have any other way.
Gary Vaynerchuk
There's no other way I'm gonna sell shit.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
So I was like, I guess I just gotta keep finding.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Let me just email the newscaster. Should I hire a PR company? Like, I get it.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Like one of my. One of my.
Gary Vaynerchuk
This is why I so fuck with social.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yeah. Yeah.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Because it's the one thing you can control. It's like working out.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yeah.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Like, there's a lot of shit you can't control. You can control how you work out. Same with social media. Like, you can't control. People magazine wants to fuck with you.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yeah.
Gary Vaynerchuk
You can control if you make a TikTok.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yeah. So I remember, like, it. Got it. Get to a point. So one of my advisory board members. I don't know if you know him, his name is. It's like a informal advice board member, but Jamie Simonoff found a ring. I went to him and I was like, hey, this press is going out. I don't know how else to get sales. Do you have anyone I know? And he's like, dude, you gotta build that infrastructure. You gotta work hard, you know? So for the last, like year and a half, I've been just trying to different ways. Right. So we went from occupational therapists and like A.B.A.S, which they work directly with children with autism, ADHD.
Gary Vaynerchuk
I'm just making sure that we don't run a time. Next meeting, I'm gonna make sure you have your full 10. Keep going.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
So then I tried that, like a B2B to see route.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Yep.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
And it hasn't really panned out. I Tried because my thought process was go to where the market is, right? So like it's like what's the, what's the website? Tassium worldwide.com. so then I was like okay, you know, maybe the thing is that We've sold over 2,000 products with this press and everyone loves the product. It's just trying to get it into, you know, the right people's hands. So like I said try to be to B2C. We tried non profits but they didn't want to work with us because we weren't donating anything. So then we started donating a little bit but it's just we can't sustain that when we're pre revenue.
Gary Vaynerchuk
My, my. Keep going, keep going.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
So we tried that. I tried organic, you know, with my story and everything and it only went so far and I'm sure if I like kept going it probably would work.
Gary Vaynerchuk
But, but I think that's, that's like what most like that moment that just happened is everything I give a fuck about.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
I know, I know.
Gary Vaynerchuk
You know, all four of you probably know, right? It's like a school knows you. But bro, it's the fucking game. Like when I go to your website and it's not clickable to the TikTok even though the logo's down there, like that's on my mind. This goes back to the fucking details, even back to working out now that I've learned a little bit about it. Like there's a right way to do a fucking push and there's a wrong way. There's a right way to do a curl and there's like, and this is like how meticulous I get too. Back to the proper device you were getting. Yeah. This shit Matt, like bro, it's real simple. You're in E commerce, you're trying to sell shit. Trying to sell a shirt with an attached thing. You need to do unlimited social media content so people become aware of it and then they need to go to a proper website like you know where like the shop is like this shop is not maximize to sell the most stuff at all. That's right. And that's okay back to like fuck man, I was fucking really good at business at all your guys ages and like these gray hairs you see now like I'm way better now. And so but for complete clarity like when you all go downstairs and be like okay, what the fuck just happened in that 10 minutes went so quick. Here's the clarity. You are selling shit when you don't have unlimited money or any Money.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yes.
Robin
In 2023.
Gary Vaynerchuk
September 7, 2023. And you are trying to sell shit. The number one thing on earth is organic social media at scale. Cause it's fucking free. And I mean, like 19 posts a day. Or you're stuck in the spot that you're in now, which is you're begging for a fucking miracle that someone's gonna give you cash.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yeah. And just pitch competitions without money.
Gary Vaynerchuk
If you flipped it and just understood you're 100% in control. Fuck a competition. Fuck a VC. Fuck everybody. It was like an Eminem. I felt like it was an Eminem. Slash, fuck a papa die. If you just understand that you're fully in control. And you just have to pound social and start googling how. How to make the best Shopify site selling T shirts enter. Literally that shit is out there for free. Best practices. Get the proper Shopify. Get your social crazy and start fucking. You know, start fucking dm. Life's crazy. You were here on a thing. I decided I felt something. We have 10 minutes. You gave your friend. I'm literally gonna wear this fucking humble hat.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
I'm so happy.
Gary Vaynerchuk
And like, your friend's gonna be like. Like, by the way, that's one in a hundred. And that's what you need to do. You need to. On the fucking. How are you getting back to Boston?
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
We're taking ferries later.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Beautiful. You need to be on.
Robin
Yeah.
Gary Vaynerchuk
You chop it up and whatever happened in Europe. But then you have to, like, start DMing people in Boston. Type in Boston. Fucking new in Mass, Boston, all that shit in fucking Instagram, hashtag search, top posts, click, oh, this person's here. They have 400,000 followers. They're a cool kid in high school in fucking Newton. Rich kid. And DM them be like, I want you to wear my fucking shirt. One in a hundred of them will.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
100%.
Gary Vaynerchuk
But if you fucking like. I don't know. My whole thing is like. You know how I got here? By actually doing what I'm telling you to do when nobody in the world knew who the fuck I was. I stayed on Twitter in 2007 from fucking 8pm after I worked the whole day in the liquor store from 8pm to 4. Four in the morning for fucking four years. Every day you have two choices. The luck of cash. Which is harder than ever. Cause the economy's soft, though you're in a good school where some things could happen or sweat.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
I'm not very sweat.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Yeah. And I just think what most kids are missing, even though the ones that are about It. I genuinely, like, even if you guys are sitting here, like, I wish I was in class with y', all, you know, like, chopping it up. Like, I believe you have it in there. I think this generation. And I don't want to generalize.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yeah.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Cause I think there's plenty of unlimited. You guys may be doing this, but here's the thing that I think the world fucked up for y'.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
All.
Gary Vaynerchuk
When I was coming up, it was like, we didn't have options. When I was in exactly your seat, the Internet was just starting. So, like, you had to, like, go. Go work at the mall. You all know you can do magic here. Cause you've seen it. The problem is 1% of 1% hit the lottery ticket of it happening fast. The other 10% that make it eat shit for a decade. But everyone's fixated on the 1% of the 1% of the 1% who hit something. And even those people quietly actually have each shit for a little while, too. You're gonna start an apparel brand? Fuck, man. It took. You know how much Ronnie ate shit for how long before kith mattered?
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yeah.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Rude wasn't overnight, but it feels that way. So, like, I don't know if I'm selling a fucking T shirt with a hook on the fucking thing. I'm fucking grinding for 10 hours a day on social media. Instead of what you're trying to do, which is what everyone's trying to do, is figure out what to do.
Robin
Right.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Versus doing it.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Yeah. Instead of pondering what fucking competition to apply to. Lay in bed, listen to your music. Yeah. Look at some girls. But then spend 8 hours DMing every single human in Massachusetts saying, do you want a free T shirt that has 100,000 followers? Put in their story. Put that. Ask them to put it in their story. Because they're not putting in mainfiend anymore. Snapshot it when you fucking see that they did it. Put it into your thing, amplify it with $8. Cause that's all you got in media ads. People just lost that cause. It seems like you can do it the other way. And who wouldn't do it the other way? But that's fucking not real.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yeah. Yeah. My dream for Tassman was really to become, like, the Nike for special needs.
Gary Vaynerchuk
I get it.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
Yeah.
Robin
I heard you loud and clear.
Gary Vaynerchuk
I think you can get it. I just think that you have to realize you have to go into a dark, dark fucking cocoon for the next five years and eat straight shit. It's super real. I see everyone who's popped off, and everyone's gonna, like. Everyone's gonna think it was easy. It wasn't. Tell me. Tell me which fashion brand you admire. I'll tell you, like, how many more movies you want to see about Nike, of how close they went out of business multiple times before it actually happened. And you know how much luck Michael Jordan was. Yeah, it was strategy. And the movies will show you, but, like, he could also torn both his knees, like, you know what I mean? And one would have been it, but Stephon Marbury got hurt on their sneaker. Game over, right? Like, there's just a lot. You know what I mean? Like, bro, at 34 years old, I worked in a liquor store. So of course I'm like, what are you, you know, cool? Of course I'm pumping the shit. I'm pumping to all y'.
Robin
All.
Gary Vaynerchuk
Patience. Like, real. Like, eat shit. Like, cool. Everybody wants to tell me, but what about this, Gary? I'm like, the one fucking lucky lottery ticket. Go win the lottery. Then what about this startup that did it in 18 months on some fucking serendipity of the stars, God's will, like you said, like, okay, cool. Somebody won $100 million yesterday in the lottery ticket. You banking your life on the lotto? So I just don't understand why people don't get how lucky they have it. I don't know if I ever would have worked for my father if I had the Internet that you guys have. I probably wouldn't have made it. I would have made too much money before then. But I would have made too much money because I'm a dirt kid, and even the dirt kids have become fancy. Everybody just thinks it's easier than it is.
Entrepreneur with Special Needs Product
I appreciate that.
Gary Vaynerchuk
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Airdate: October 30, 2025
Host: Gary Vaynerchuk
In this energetic, no-holds-barred episode, Gary Vaynerchuk dives into the strategies, mindset, and platforms entrepreneurs need to sell any product in 2026. The roundtable discussion features questions from founders across direct-to-consumer (DTC), special needs products, and industry insiders, with Gary doling out his signature, practical advice on building brand, leveraging attention, and doing the “dirty work” required for modern success. The dominant theme: In the next era, whoever controls attention and understands social media will win.
“Attention will get you everything you want. You want to sell a course? Attention. You want to sell a T shirt? Attention. You want to be the mayor of this town? Attention.” – Gary (00:00)
"Brand always outpaces sales." – Robin (01:19)
“…making content on LinkedIn every day is far more effective than buying a booth at a conference or buying a full page ad in a B2B magazine. Yet because they've been buying booths…for 40 years, they think it works. But they don't think LinkedIn content or TikTok works.” – Gary (02:00)
“I'm not in the business of convincing people. I'm in the business of putting out my thoughts, to be historically correct to build my own brand...” – Gary (02:29)
“You start a podcast around the town you do business in...you’re giving the dentist a platform. Now that dude’s come to your fucking house. Now you’re fucking friends. Now you get the fucking business.” – Gary (03:07)
“Facebook, number one...The math worked for everyone. They didn’t realize they were doing crappy ads. It just worked because the media was so goddamn underpriced...” – Gary (04:18)
“Post like crazy organically and when something goes viral, turn that creative into an ad. I call that brandformance.” – Gary (05:29)
“Media coverage happens all the time...if you don’t build actual sustainable infrastructure, you don’t have a business.” – Gary (07:24)
“Social...it’s the one thing you can control. It’s like working out.” – Gary (08:30)
“The number one thing on earth is organic social media at scale. Cause it’s fucking free. And I mean, like 19 posts a day.” – Gary (11:35)
“You are selling shit when you don’t have unlimited money or any money ... you have to pound social ... start googling ‘how to make the best Shopify site selling T-shirts’. That shit is out there for free.” – Gary (12:02)
“Everyone’s fixated on the 1% of the 1% of the 1% who hit something. And even those people quietly actually have each shit for a little while, too.” – Gary (14:23)
“I stayed on Twitter in 2007 from fucking 8pm after I worked ... from 8pm to 4 in the morning for fucking four years. Every day you have two choices: the luck of cash ... or sweat.” – Gary (13:24)
“You have to go into a dark, dark fucking cocoon for the next five years and eat straight shit. It’s super real.” – Gary (16:12)
Final Thought:
If you want to sell anything in 2026—or build something that lasts—determine where attention lives, create disproportionate value there, and be prepared to outwork everyone. The tools are free. The grind isn’t.