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Episode: This Is the Easiest Side Hustle You’re Not Doing Yet | GVAE w/ David Rawlinson: CEO of QVC Group
Release Date: June 24, 2025
Host: Gary Vaynerchuk
Guest: David Rawlinson, CEO of QVC Group

Introduction

In this engaging episode of The GaryVee Audio Experience, Gary Vaynerchuk sits down with David Rawlinson, the CEO of QVC Group. They delve into the transformative landscape of digital marketing, the burgeoning field of live social shopping, and how QVC is poised to revolutionize retail through strategic partnerships and innovative approaches.

The Revolution in Digital Marketing and Live Social Shopping

David Rawlinson opens the discussion by highlighting a significant shift in digital marketing dynamics:

"This is going to be a big revolution in how you think about digital marketing. When you look at conversion rates in China for live streams, you see 10, 15, 20, sometimes 30% conversion as opposed to E-commerce in the United States where you usually see 2 to 5% conversion."
[00:00]

Rawlinson attributes the higher conversion rates in China to the sophisticated data utilization by social media companies, enabling targeted live streams that boost purchase likelihood.

Gary Vaynerchuk emphasizes the human element in this transformation:

"Plus, people like to buy from humans."
[00:27]

He underscores the shift from impersonal banner ads to interactive, human-driven live shopping experiences, enhancing consumer trust and engagement.

QVC Group’s Strategic Pivot to Live Social Shopping

David Rawlinson provides an overview of QVC’s evolution:

"We were the original TV televised, the original combination of entertainment and shopping. We came up through linear television and cable and really invented impulse buying."
[00:48]

He outlines QVC Group’s recent strategic pivot, including rebranding to QVC Group with the tagline “Live Social Shopping Company”, and forming a critical partnership with TikTok Shop. This collaboration aims to launch a 24/7 live shopping program, leveraging TikTok’s massive user base and expertise.

Gary Vaynerchuk inquires about the competitive landscape:

"Are you surprised that Meta has not put out a harder push in Q1, Q2 of this year...?"
[03:17]

Rawlinson responds by praising TikTok’s earlier engagement and deeper conviction in social shopping, citing their connection to the Chinese market as a key advantage.

Comparative Conversion Rates: China vs. United States

A pivotal moment in the conversation involves the stark difference in conversion rates between China and the U.S.:

"Social shopping in China is half a trillion dollars. Just social shopping in China is larger than a lot of the GDP of a lot of economies around the world."
[03:37]

Gary Vaynerchuk reiterates the enormity of this market:

"Half. Correct."
[03:41]

Rawlinson adds perspective on the growth trajectory in the U.S.:

"The best estimate suggests it's about 70 billion a day. It'll be 140 billion in less than five years."
[04:00]

Building a Comprehensive Value Proposition

David Rawlinson discusses QVC’s integrated approach, combining content creation with robust merchandising and supply chain capabilities:

"You need the eyeballs. You need the personalities who will bring those eyeballs in. And then they have to be matched to the right product."
[07:00]

He emphasizes QVC’s strength in handling 400,000 products annually, shipping 200 million boxes, and managing customer service and returns—elements often overlooked in social shopping ventures.

The Human Connection and Commerce Tainment

Gary Vaynerchuk introduces the concept of “commerce tainment”, merging commerce with entertainment to create a joyful shopping experience:

"When you are entertained, you are accustomed to pay for that. This commerce tainment thing just back to what you were talking about."
[12:00]

Rawlinson agrees, linking it to the growing loneliness in American society and the desire for genuine human connection through digital platforms:

"People have fewer friendships, fewer marriages, fewer best friends... if you're creating a real connection on that social platform, people want to contribute, they want to interact."
[13:30]

Expanding Demographics and Influencer Partnerships

Rawlinson highlights QVC’s focus on a core demographic—women in their 30s to 50s—while also expanding through partnerships with 85,000 influencers:

"We are actively working with influencers who are bringing their own audiences. So we will expand naturally as part of this strategy."
[17:12]

Gary Vaynerchuk sees vast potential in this approach, encouraging aspiring influencers to pivot towards social commerce for more substantial earnings:

"Millions of people are aiming to be an influencer but do not have the talent... If they took their same talents and decided to go all in on live shopping, I think they make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year."
[25:01]

Future of Retail: Streaming and Beyond

David Rawlinson draws parallels between the decline of linear television and the rise of streaming, anticipating a similar disruption in retail:

"This year will probably be the first year that streaming viewership will surpass linear television viewership... The same thing is going to happen in retail."
[21:32]

He points to QVC’s streaming services—QVC Plus and HSN Plus—which have seen their monthly active users double year over year, indicating robust growth and user engagement.

Influencer Roles and Direct Monetization

Gary Vaynerchuk discusses the evolving role of influencers within the live social shopping ecosystem:

"Millions of people that potentially could hear this are aiming to be an influencer but do not have the talent. This has to be said. But if they pivoted to be a social commerce person... They make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year."
[25:01]

David Rawlinson concurs, noting that direct monetization through social commerce offers a more sustainable and lucrative pathway compared to traditional influencer marketing.

Conclusion

The conversation between Gary Vaynerchuk and David Rawlinson paints a compelling picture of the future of retail and digital marketing. By leveraging live social shopping, QVC Group is set to transform the shopping experience, making it more interactive, human-centric, and efficient. Their strategic partnerships, especially with TikTok Shop, position them at the forefront of this revolution, promising exciting developments in the years to come.

Notable Quotes:

• David Rawlinson [00:00]: "This is going to be a big revolution in how you think about digital marketing."
• Gary Vaynerchuk [00:27]: "Plus, people like to buy from humans."
• David Rawlinson [03:37]: "Social shopping in China is half a trillion dollars."
• Gary Vaynerchuk [12:00]: "This commerce tainment thing just back to what you were talking about."
• Gary Vaynerchuk [25:01]: "If they took their same talents and decided to go all in on live shopping, I think they make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year."
• David Rawlinson [21:32]: "The same thing is going to happen in retail."

This episode is a must-listen for entrepreneurs, marketers, and anyone interested in the future of retail and digital commerce.