The Girlfriends S4/E2: So Help Me God

Summary

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The Girlfriends: Untouchable – Season 4, Episode 2: "So Help Me God"

Podcast: The Girlfriends: Untouchable
Host: Nikki Richardson
Production: iHeartPodcasts and Novel
Original Air Date: November 17, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this gripping episode, "So Help Me God," the podcast deepens its investigation into the wrongful conviction of Lamont McIntyre for a double homicide, examining the roles of intimidation, racial bias, and sexual violence at the heart of Kansas City, Kansas’ justice system. The episode focuses on the stories of Nico Quinn—who witnessed a murder and then was coerced to give false testimony—and Rose McIntyre, Lamont’s mother, who reveals her harrowing history with Detective Roger Golubski, the corrupt and predatory cop whose actions destroyed countless families. Through firsthand accounts, chilling threats, and haunting memories, Episode 2 exposes not only what happened in the courtroom but what happened in the dark corridors of power; it is a narrative about fear, guilt, and the birth of resistance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Shadow of Grief and Intimidation (03:38 – 09:49)

• Nico Quinn’s initial trauma: After witnessing her cousin Danielle’s murder, Nico describes the suffocating sense of loss and how the community coped in silence.
  • Quote (Nico Quinn, 04:38):
    “It was like it was a dark cloud over us all, and nobody really didn't say too much about it. Everybody just drank. I thought by drinking that it would make me forget or make me feel like it's a dream.”
• First police contact: Nico receives a call to meet with ADA Tara Morehead and Detective Golubski.
  • The DA’s office meeting is depicted as both intimidating and manipulative (06:11 – 09:49). Nico is shown crime scene photos of her cousin, told that Lamont McIntyre is responsible, and pressed to validate the prosecution’s narrative.
  • Tara Morehead employs a mix of false evidence, emotional manipulation, and intimidation.
  • When Nico resists, Morehead threatens her children and threatens jail, escalating the coercion:
    • Quote (Nico Quinn, 09:10):
      “Well, if you don't do what I tell you to do, I will go get your kids and I'll throw you in jail. Do you want to see your kids again? ... She went from being this kind person to being Evelyn in 2.2 seconds when I didn't give her or tell her what she wanted. I got you. I got you.”

2. The Preliminary Hearing and Courtroom Coercion (10:15 – 18:59)

• Lamont’s bewildering court experience:
  • Lamont describes the preliminary hearing as a “play” for which he didn’t get the script (11:38).
    • Quote (Lamont, 11:38):
      “The preliminary hearing was like it was a play. And I was the only one that didn't get a script.”
  • Prosecution presents no real evidence; the case depends entirely on coerced eyewitness testimony.
• Witness intimidation in action:
  • Nico, in the courtroom for the first time, immediately recognizes that Lamont is not the perpetrator based on physical characteristics (13:31).
  • In a direct confrontation with Morehead and officers, Nico insists Lamont is too tall and not the killer; Morehead reiterates her threats (13:55–14:10).
    • Quote (Nico Quinn, 13:58):
      “That's when she threatened me again that she was going to throw my black ass in jail. She'll send the police to go get my kids, and I'll never see them again.”
• The impossible choice:
  • On the stand, Nico is forced to choose between protecting her children or telling the truth:
    • Quote (Nico Quinn, 16:12–16:58):
      “Everything in me was saying, tell the truth. Tell the truth. Tell the truth. And I know it wasn't but the Holy Spirit telling me to tell the truth... The only thing I could see was my children … I'm praying, Father, forgive me. Forgive me.”
  • This leads to her falsely identifying Lamont as the murderer under duress.
    • Quote (Lamont McIntyre, 17:27):
      “I felt like I was dreaming at that moment. I felt like that wasn't me sitting there. I felt uneasy and I felt weird. It's like I was watching somebody else's life unravel like that. It wasn't mine.”
• Community fallout:
  • With two witnesses coerced, even Lamont’s family starts doubting him, except for his mother, Rose.

3. The Revelation of Past Abuse & Systemic Corruption (24:32 – 32:52)

• The predation of Golubski, as told by Rose:
  • The episode shifts to the late ‘80s, when Rose McIntyre recounts her sexual assault by Detective Golubski, who used his authority to threaten and coerce her.
    • Office environment is described in chilling detail, highlighting the impunity with which Golubski operated, and the complicity (or at least apathy) of other officers:
      • Quote (Rose McIntyre, 26:45):
        “I saw a white uniformed officer in the doorway. For a moment it seems like somebody might intervene, but when the officer saw Golubski and me, he simply backed out and shut the door. Golubski never stopped what he was doing, and the officer himself did not act surprised.”
  • Harassment was ongoing; Rose felt “terrified and sick to my stomach … powerless to say no” (28:07), eventually relocating and changing her phone number to escape.
• Golubski’s long shadow:
  • Years later, Rose suspects that Lamont’s prosecution might be retaliation—a chilling intersection of her own victimization and her son’s.

4. The Aftermath: Guilt, Despair, and the Beginnings of Resistance (37:33 – 44:47)

• Nico’s guilt and attempted suicide:
  • Haunted by her testimony, Nico describes a suicide attempt and a pivotal moment where she is stopped by the thought of her children and an inner voice urging her to fix what’s been done:
    • Quote (Nico Quinn, 38:15):
      “I took a handful of them, and I heard, stop. And it scared me... And I heard the Holy Spirit say, who's gonna fix it if you die? Who gonna fix it? And from that day forward, I worked on trying to make my own right.”
• Attempted recantation and legal indifference:
  • Nico tries to tell ADA Morehead the truth and recants her statement, but is met with indifference and implicit racism:
    • Quote (Nico Quinn, 40:12):
      “She asked me who was I gonna tell? Who's gonna believe me over her is what she told me.”
• Self-education and activism:
  • Denied justice through official channels, Nico educates herself on the law and attempts to start grassroots efforts, writing letters to media figures in hopes of drawing attention to the case.
  • She forges a bond with Rose, becoming the emotional lifeline for each other as they attempt to survive and resist the fallout of Golubski’s crimes.

5. A Broader Pattern of Abuse (44:47 – 45:35)

• Learning they’re not alone:
  • It becomes evident that Lamont and his family are just one instance in a much broader web of Golubski’s abuse and the systemic coverups protecting him.
    • Quote (Nikki Richardson, 44:47):
      “Lamont was defeated. Nico felt guilty, and Rose was inconsolable. Each of their lives had been devastated by Roger Golubski, but what they didn’t know at the time was that this was just the beginning. And they weren’t alone.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|----------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:38 | Nico Quinn | “It was like it was a dark cloud over us all, ... I thought by drinking that it would make me forget or make me feel like it’s a dream.” | | 09:10 | Nico Quinn | “If you don’t do what I tell you to do, I will go get your kids and I’ll throw you in jail. Do you want to see your kids again? ... I got you.” | | 11:38 | Lamont McIntyre| “The preliminary hearing was like it was a play. And I was the only one that didn’t get a script.” | | 13:58 | Nico Quinn | “That’s when she threatened me again that she was going to throw my black ass in jail. She’ll send the police to go get my kids, and I’ll never see them again.” | | 16:12 | Nico Quinn | “Everything in me was saying, tell the truth. Tell the truth. ... The only thing I could see was my children.” | | 17:27 | Lamont McIntyre| “I felt like I was dreaming at that moment. ... It’s like I was watching somebody else’s life unravel like that. It wasn’t mine.” | | 26:45 | Rose McIntyre | “I saw a white uniformed officer in the doorway... he simply backed out and shut the door. Golubski never stopped what he was doing, and the officer himself did not act surprised.” | | 38:15 | Nico Quinn | “I took a handful of them [antidepressants], and I heard, stop. ... And I heard the Holy Spirit say, who’s gonna fix it if you die?” | | 40:12 | Nico Quinn | “She asked me who was I gonna tell? Who’s gonna believe me over her is what she told me.” |

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Timeline & Timestamps for Significant Segments

• 03:38 – 04:38: Introduction to Nico’s state following her cousin’s murder.
• 05:41 – 09:49: DA meeting, confrontation, and first threats by Moorehead.
• 10:15 – 18:59: Lamont’s preliminary hearing and coerced witness testimony.
• 24:32 – 32:52: Rose’s flashbacks: Golubski’s predation and ongoing trauma.
• 37:33 – 39:50: Nico’s post-trial guilt, suicide attempt, resolve to fix things.
• 40:12 – 41:05: Efforts to recant and system’s stonewalling of her testimony.
• 41:05 – 44:47: Nico’s attempts at advocacy and the deepening relationship with Rose.
• 44:47 – End: Realization that Golubski’s abuses are widespread; foreboding of wider revelations to come.

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Tone, Style, and Themes

The episode is delivered in a raw, intimate manner, centering the voices of the survivors. The tone is mournful, tense, and ultimately determined. The speakers’ language is direct, emotional, and often marked by both resignation and the spark of resistance. The episode repeatedly emphasizes the isolation experienced by individuals confronting systems of power, while also tracing the beginnings of collective action and mutual support.

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Summary/Takeaway

Episode 2 of "The Girlfriends: Untouchable" exposes how police and legal authority not only facilitates miscarriages of justice but perpetuates personal and communal trauma—especially for Black women in Kansas City, Kansas. Through stories of intimidation, sexual violence, and the crushing consequences of a corrupt system, the episode weaves a narrative of tragedy but also the roots of a grassroots, woman-led resistance that will fight to expose and end the abuses of power.

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Further Listening

Next episode promises deeper explorations into Golubski’s network of victims and the emerging coalition seeking justice.

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Transcript

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It'S Nikki, the host of the Girlfriends Untouchable. I'm so glad that you've chosen to listen to this story about my hometown, Kansas City, Kansas. But I just wanted to give you a heads up that this episode will touch on some difficult topics, including violence, murder, suicide, and sexual assault. And there are a handful of cuss words too. So if you or someone you love has been affected by any of the themes in the show, we've left some links in the description that offer resources and support. Take care of yourself. The summer of 1994 felt like it would last forever. The days were either marked by glaring sunlight or the kind of thunderstorms that cloaked Kansas City in an ominous fog. But the weather paled in comparison to the grief, casting a shadow over Nico Quinn's life in the months following her cousin Danielle's murder.

[Nico Quinn]

It was like it was a dark cloud over us all, and nobody really didn't say too much about it. Everybody just drank. I thought by drinking that it would make me forget or make me feel like it's a dream.

[Nikki Richardson]

But it wasn't. After the brutal shooting, Nico had been relocated to a housing complex, but she was surrounded by the men she thought were responsible. Nico was trying to move through the grief by spending time with her family when she got an unexpected call.

[Nico Quinn]

My cousin called and was like, hey, this white lady came down here and two white men.

[Nikki Richardson]

He told her that at least one of them was a police officer.

[Nico Quinn]

I said, what? He said, yeah, I got a card here for you. I got two of them. You need to come down here and get in touch with these folks. And I'm like, all right, Bo, I'll be down there. So I drove down there and got the cars. And it was Tara Moorehead and Galupski's card.

[Nikki Richardson]

Golubski is the police officer investigating Donyell and Donnie's murders and Tara Moorhead. In 1994, she's an assistant district attorney for Wyandotte county in Kansas City, Kansas. Nico drives across town and makes her way to the DA's office. It's a brick building with a circular drive. She walks through the glass sliding doors and makes her way down the hallway until she finds her seat.

[Nico Quinn]

I was sitting there waiting on her. She made me sit there in that waiting area for maybe like, hour, hour and a half.

[Nikki Richardson]

Eventually, Niko is shown into a conference room.

[Nico Quinn]

It was just a table and chairs in there, a white room and pictures and documents on the table.

[Nikki Richardson]

Seated on the other side is a smartly dressed woman.

[Nico Quinn]

She was skinny, had a suit on, like a blazer, heels. She had blonde hair, a pointy nose, a long chin.

[Nikki Richardson]

Assistant District Attorney Tara Moorehead. Nico had no reason to be afraid of her. But she remembers Moorehead laying photos out in front of her that gave her a chill.

[Nico Quinn]

These pictures was the crime scene of.

[Nikki Richardson]

Her cousin Danielle's murder.

[Nico Quinn]

Half of his face was gone. I told her, I don't need to see them pictures because I seen it when it happened.

[Nikki Richardson]

There are other pictures of men Nico recognizes.

[Nico Quinn]

Pictures of my cousins and then of my uncle.

[Nikki Richardson]

And a photo of the boy they arrested for the double murder. Local school kid Lamont McIntyre.

[Nico Quinn]

And that's when she started telling me that they had all the evidence, knowing that Lamont did it. They had his clothing, they had the gun, they had all this. The same Rigor Monroe that Gilluski told me. She asked me, wasn't I tired of losing my loved ones? And don't I want somebody held responsible for killing my cousin? And Lamont did it. I said, we know who did it. And I told her. Monster.

[Nikki Richardson]

One of the dealers who had allegedly attacked Donyell just days before his murder.

[Nico Quinn]

At first, she tried to draw me in like she was my friend or like she cared. And she said, well, no, we got evidence. We know this guy did it. We have the clothing, we have the gun. We have all this evidence. And I said, well, I don't care what you got. So when she showed me the picture of Lamont, I said, no, he didn't do it. And she said her little spill. And I left and I went home.

[Nikki Richardson]

Nikko was confused. Why were they so insistent on saying that Lamont McIntyre was the killer? According to Niko, Moorehead called her back into her office once the date for the preliminary hearing was set.

[Nico Quinn]

So I had to go up there again and sit with her and same thing, same spiel about who did it.

[Nikki Richardson]

This time, Niko recalls that Moorhead looked at her and said, you love your kids, right?

[Nico Quinn]

Well, if you don't do what I tell you to do, I will go get your kids and I'll throw you in jail. Do you want to see your kids again? And then that's when the venom came out. I call her a cobra. She went from being this kind person to being Evelyn in 2.2 seconds when I didn't give her or tell her what she wanted. I got you. I got you. I got you.

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[Nico Quinn]

I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you.

[Nikki Richardson]

Episode 2 so Help Me God In June 1994, 17 year old Lamont McIntyre was in handcuffs. Instead of getting ready to go back to school, he was stepping into the county courthouse because he had been charged with a double homicide.

[Lamont McIntyre]

So I had a preliminary hearing come up. That's the hearing where they see what kind of evidence they got on you to bound you over for trial, or if there's enough evidence to hold you or charge you, whatever you say you charged with.

[Nikki Richardson]

Overlooking the court was a public gallery. It kind of looked like a row of church pews facing the direction of the judge. The prosecutor, ADA Tara Morehead, sat on one side and the defendant, Lamont McIntyre and his attorney sat on the other.

[Lamont McIntyre]

I had all my family behind me. My father, my uncles, my cousins, everybody was there. That was my first plenary hearing. That was my first time in that situation.

[Nikki Richardson]

Lamont had watched films and TV shows set in courtrooms, so he thought he knew what to expect. He thought he would hear the prosecutor deliver a compelling argument, followed by some kind of evidence tying him to the crime. But that's not how it went down.

[Lamont McIntyre]

The preliminary hearing was like it was a play. And I was the only one that didn't get a script.

[Nikki Richardson]

There were glaring plot holes, like the fact that the prosecution didn't appear to have any physical evidence.

[Lamont McIntyre]

I didn't have no way of trying to identify what was going on with me. It was just happening, and I couldn't stop it. And it was just confusing. And my lawyer was like, is anybody can put you in the scene of the crime? I'm like, man, listen. I don't know the scene of the crime. There's nobody can put me in nowhere. Cause I don't have nothing to do with it.

[Nikki Richardson]

According to the prosecution, there were two witnesses who could. Lamont watched on as a black woman in her early 20s walked into the courtroom. She looked nervous and kept her head down. The judge turned to Lamont and he.

[Lamont McIntyre]

Said, do you know this lady? I said, no, I don't know the lady.

[Nikki Richardson]

That lady was Nico Quinn.

[Nico Quinn]

I was very nervous because I've never had to sit there and do anything like that.

[Nikki Richardson]

It was Nikko's first time seeing Lamont in person.

[Nico Quinn]

Only time I seen Lamont was on pictures. And when I first seen him physically and I seen him at that table, I said, this dude is too tall and his ears is too big. He couldn't have hidden them ears under that hat.

[Nikki Richardson]

Nikko knew the prosecution was going to ask her to pick out the man arrested on suspicion of murder. But now that she'd seen Lamont in real life, she knew for certain that he wasn't the man who had shot her cousin. Nico had to find Tara Moorehead and tell her that this was all a big mistake. In the recess, she went to go and find the prosecutor in a room nearby. Moorehead wasn't alone. There were police officers in the room. But Nikko still opened up about her reservations.

[Nico Quinn]

I said, the person that killed my cousins, you could see this much of their head over the car. They wasn't a tall person. They was a short person that killed him. And I kept telling her that. And she pushed forward that Lamont was the one. And the other detectives kept saying lamont did it. And I kept telling him, no, he's too tall and his ears are too big. That was always my rebuttal to her.

[Nikki Richardson]

According to Nico, Moorehead didn't want to know.

[Nico Quinn]

That's when she threatened me again that she was going to throw my black ass in jail. She'll send the police to go get my kids, and I'll never see them again.

[Nikki Richardson]

Moorehead allegedly threatened to charge Neko with contempt of court if she didn't comply.

[Nico Quinn]

She crossed her hands like this. And she looked over at the officers and she looked at me like, what'd I say? What did I just tell you? And I cried because I was upset. If I didn't say Lamont killed my cousin, I would not see my kids again, ever. And like I told her, you can throw me in jail. All that matters to me is my children. The only love I had was the love for my children. And I was not finna give that up for nobody.

[Nikki Richardson]

When the recess ends, Nikko is called into court. She glances over at Moorhead. Her head is spinning. The woman before her is wealthy, respected and well educated. Who is going to believe a 21 year old single mother from Quindero over an assistant district attorney?

[Nico Quinn]

I was young. I was in the streets. I wasn't educated on the law. I wasn't educated on a lot of things. I had street smarts. But I didn't know that this woman could legally do this to me.

[Nikki Richardson]

After what feels like a lifetime, Niko's called to testify. She stands up and walks across the room, each step heavier than the one before.

[Nico Quinn]

I walked so slow up there because I didn't want to do it.

[Nikki Richardson]

She puts her hand on a Bible and the oath is read out.

[Nico Quinn]

Do you swear to tell the truth with nothing but the truth, so help you God? I said I do.

[Nikki Richardson]

Niko looks across the courtroom, sees Lamont, his family, the police officers and Moorhead.

[Nico Quinn]

She asked me to point to him. On this day, didn't you say this person killed your cousin? And I looked at her. Cause I never said that Lamont killed my cousin. Never. She put her hand on her hip and she looked at me. She looked over at the detectives, like, I can send them right now to go get your kids. Everything in me was saying, tell the truth. Tell the truth. Tell the truth. And I know it wasn't but the Holy Spirit telling me to tell the truth. But at that time, I didn't understand those feelings. The only thing I could see was my children. And did I want to be explaining 20 plus years later to my children that I chose to tell the truth? To lose y'? All? I'm praying, Father, forgive me. Forgive me.

[Lamont McIntyre]

She looked up at me and she pointed at me and said, that's him.

[Nico Quinn]

I said, yes, on this day, that's who I said.

[Lamont McIntyre]

I felt like I was dreaming at that moment. I felt like that wasn't me sitting there. I felt uneasy and I felt weird. It's like I was watching somebody else's life unravel like that. It wasn't mine.

[Nico Quinn]

My mom was looking at me like, I didn't do it. And when he stood up, I just cried. I just cried. And I asked God to forgive me because I just ruined this man's life.

[Nikki Richardson]

Another witness takes the stand. Nikko's neighbor, the one who called out Lamont at the murder scene, she come.

[Lamont McIntyre]

On the stand, don't look at me. She sits down. And the judge asked her, do you see the man in the courtroom that committed a crime for the first time? She looked up at me and pointed at me. And I was looking at her like. So she could get a good look in my face, like, do you see? And she seen me and pointed at me and said, that's him. And that's when I said, oh, man, something's going on.

[Nikki Richardson]

The courthouse erupts.

[Lamont McIntyre]

My whole family was like, going crazy, like, what's going on? Something deadline. What's going on?

[Nikki Richardson]

Lamont's family had gone into court believing in him. But with two witnesses to the crime testifying against him, the room takes on an uneasy atmosphere.

[Lamont McIntyre]

They were shocked, I think, after they seen the preliminary hearing. Most of my family probably lost hope and faith in me after that, because after that, it was like they probably believed I probably did do that.

[Nikki Richardson]

But there's one person in the room who refuses to doubt Lamont's innocence. His mother, Rose. As she watches the courthouse descend into chaos, she's reminded of a memory she had tried her best to forget. A traumatizing event from her past that she thinks is coming back to haunt her. Because years earlier, Rose had got caught up in the clutches of a predator. And it looks like that man, that police officer, has been following her and her family all along.

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[Nico Quinn]

I got you, I got you, I got you.

[Nikki Richardson]

It's the late 80s in Kansas City, Kansas. Rose McIntyre is a devoted mother of five, but she also loves going out into the town to dance and let loose with her boyfriend Greg. After a fun night out at a local club, she and Greg park up on the side of the road. Rose sees a figure approaching them. A flashlight shines through the window of the car. It's a police officer, rose says. He showed them his badge and told them his name, Detective Roger Golubski. Rose has given permission for her words to be read by an actor as she describes what happened to her next.

[Rose McIntyre]

Detective Golubski ordered me to get out of the car and come back to his car, which was parked right behind. I was too scared to say anything, but Greg became very upset, saying to Golubski, what are you doing? This is my girlfriend.

[Nikki Richardson]

Detective Galupski threatened Greg, telling him that he would get arrested if he didn't shut up. Terrified and not knowing what to do, Rose followed Galupski's directions to go and sit in the passenger seat in his unmarked police car.

[Rose McIntyre]

Golubski told me I was a nice looking lady, then made clear that he expected to get sexual favors from me. I felt frightened and powerless.

[Nikki Richardson]

He told her that if she didn't want Greg to be arrested, she had to meet him at the police station the next day.

[Rose McIntyre]

Golubski told me to come late between 9 and 10pm and I did as he said. I was stunned and terrified, but I felt powerless to Say no.

[Nikki Richardson]

So the next evening, she drives across the city and down Minnesota Avenue to the Kansas City, Kansas Police Department. It's a big brick building with marble pillars at the entrance and tall windows up above. An officer who was minding the desk buzzed her in.

[Rose McIntyre]

Golubski's office was right by the door, and I went in. He shut the door behind me. Galupski then sat down behind his desk. He began talking and told me he liked black women. He said he could make it hard or make it light for me and that things would go better for me if I complied. At that point, he slid his chair out from behind the desk and turned the lights out.

[Nikki Richardson]

According to Rose, Golubski sexually assaulted her. It's horrible. She's too scared of how he might retaliate to try and fight back. But she feels a flash of hope when she notices the office door opening. A crack of light enters the room.

[Rose McIntyre]

I saw a white uniformed officer in the doorway.

[Nikki Richardson]

For a moment it seems like somebody might intervene, but when the officer saw.

[Rose McIntyre]

Galupski and me, he simply backed out and shut the door. Golubski never stopped what he was doing, and the officer himself did not act surprised. Although there were other police around, no one came to my assistance.

[Nikki Richardson]

Eventually, it ended. Galupski let go. But Rose's ordeal wasn't over.

[Rose McIntyre]

He told me that he wanted an ongoing sexual relationship with me. As soon as Golubski said I could leave, I left. I was terrified and sick to my stomach and wanted to get home as fast as I could. I felt dirty and totally humiliated. A man who had total power over me had treated me like a whore and forced me to submit to his sexual desires. I kept what happened to myself?

[Nikki Richardson]

Rose couldn't tell her boyfriend because she worried that Galupski might arrest him if she spoke out. She was too scared to tell her friends and family because she feared what might happen if they ended up on Golubski's radar. And she couldn't report what had happened to the authorities because Golubski was the authority.

[Rose McIntyre]

After that awful day, Golubski harassed me for weeks, often calling me two or three times a day. He told me that he wanted me to come back to his office. He wanted to do it again with me and wanted me to be his woman. I dreaded Golubski's calls and continued to fear him. But sometimes I would talk to him on the phone just to placate him so he would not force me to come back down to see him at the police station. He had total power, and I Was terrified that he would try to force me again to provide sexual favors.

[Nikki Richardson]

After a few months of what Rose recalls as near constant harassment, she found a way to break free. She relocated, changed her phone number, and tried her best to move on. She focused her energy on being a good mother to her children and dedicated her time to rebuilding her life. After a few years passed without seeing Golubski, Rose thought she was in the clear. But then in 1994, he forced his way back into her life by arresting her son, Lamont. Lamont's preliminary hearing took place in June, and the case went to trial in the fall. It was a harrowing experience for him and his entire family. But the process was especially tough on Rose.

[Rose McIntyre]

I sat in the hallway the entire time. Both sides had named me as a witness, so I was not allowed to be in the courtroom.

[Nikki Richardson]

But neither side ended up calling her to testify.

[Rose McIntyre]

So I ended up being isolated for no reason. Sitting in the hallway during the trial was horrible. I felt very scared and worried.

[Nikki Richardson]

The trial lasted four days, and then the jury went to deliberate. After what felt like a lifetime of sitting in that hallway, Rose was eventually allowed back into the courtroom to hear the verdict. The room steals to silence. Lamont stays in his position. The jury comes back into the room and sends their representative up to the front to reveal Lamont's fate.

[Lamont McIntyre]

When the jury came back with a guilty verdict, I screamed. I was just screaming like, y' all got the wrong person. Y' all convicting an innocent person. I didn't do anything right. I started yelling and I felt somebody grab me real tight from behind. I was shocked and I turned around. It was my mother.

[Nikki Richardson]

Rose throws her arms around her son.

[Lamont McIntyre]

She was grabbing me and she was holding me so tight and she was crying and I felt. I felt her pain.

[Nikki Richardson]

Back then, Lamont didn't know anything about his mom's past with Golubski. To him, they were just the cries of a mother about to lose her son. But there was so much more to Rosa's pain. She'd spent years worrying about what Golubski might do to her if their paths crossed again. But this was so much worse. Her 17 year old son was being marched away to a prison cell. She was overcome by grief. But there was another emotion making its way through her body. A sickening sense of suspicion. And then guilt. Because the more she thought about it, the more she began to wonder. Had Detective Galupski used his power to target her son as punishment for her decision to break free?

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[Kal Penn]

Hey audiobook lovers. This week on the podcast I'm sitting Down with Musician, Produce and walking encyclopedia Questlove, we're talking about Mark Ronson's memoir Night how to be a DJ in 90s New York City. All right, like we talked about before, Mark Ronson found sanctuary in the DJ booth. What's a tool or piece of equipment in the studio or on stage that gives you the most control?

[Lamont McIntyre]

So I have two microphones on stage. We have the microphone that you hear as the audience. Then we have a second microphone in which we communicate with each other. I feel like that second microphone kind of saved all of our friendships. No band likes each other after 20 years or 25 years. The Beatles broke up in seven and a half years and we're going on 35.

[Kal Penn]

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[Nico Quinn]

I got you. I got you. I got you.

[Nikki Richardson]

It's 1994 and Lamont McIntyre is on his way to prison for a crime he says he had nothing to do with. Nico Quinn, who'd been intimidated into testifying against him, feels awful. She's sure he's innocent, but in trying to protect her children, she's been forced into helping put someone else's child behind bars. She walks around Kansas City overwhelmed with guilt and despair.

[Nico Quinn]

I remember walking down 7th Street. I remember that route like it was yesterday and I passed the store and the guy at the store asked me how I was doing. I was like, are you okay? I just want to go home. I got home and I remember My youngest son greeted me at the door, and I kind of, you know, kissed him. I walked upstairs, closed my door. I didn't want my kids to see me. And I just sat on the bed and I just cried. And I had some her prescription of antidepressants that the doctor had gave me because I couldn't sleep. And I took a handful of them, and I heard, stop. And it scared me. And I stuck my hand in my mouth and I just started throwing up because I thought about my kids. And I heard the Holy Spirit say, who's gonna fix it if you die? Who gonna fix it? And from that day forward, I worked on trying to make my own right.

[Nikki Richardson]

Lamont had been convicted on two witness statements, including Nico's not solid evidence. She thought that recanting her testimony might help fix things. So she went back to the person who she says coerced her into giving it. The assistant district attorney.

[Nico Quinn]

I said something to Tara Moorhead about what she was doing to me wasn't fair and it wasn't right. And she asked me who was I gonna tell? Who's gonna believe me over her is what she told me. And that feel like somebody knocking all of the air out of you for her to tell me that? Cause I'm looking at her. Been a white woman being a prosecutor and me a black girl, who gonna believe me?

[Nikki Richardson]

We reached out to Tara Morehead and her lawyer to ask her about Niko's claims of witness intimidation. She did not wish to provide a comment. Back then, Niko wasn't ready to give up hope. She thought that if she could find a way to understand the legal system, she could help fix things.

[Nico Quinn]

I would read a lot. I would go to the library and look at different legal books and try to find out a way. I talked to so many different people on how I can go about trying to get Lamont home.

[Nikki Richardson]

Nico was a mother, so she couldn't help but imagine the pain that Lamont's mom, Rose McIntyre, was experiencing.

[Nico Quinn]

I remember when she used to work at the liquor store on 10th Street. And I would go down there and I would talk to her. Sometimes I would see her walking up and down Quindero late at night. I would follow her just to, you know, kind of make sure she was safe or whatever, that nothing happened to her out there. And I just would cry because I felt like I destroyed this woman's life. And all I could do was ask God for forgiveness and wanted to make it right.

[Nikki Richardson]

After being given two life sentences, Lamont was sent to a prison called Hutchinson Correctional Facility, a large state prison in Kansas.

[Lamont McIntyre]

I cried and I sat there, and I just couldn't believe I was there. And I couldn't leave. I was stuck. And that just convicted me of two murders. I didn't know how to process that. I was sad, and I couldn't get out of it. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to think.

[Nikki Richardson]

He called home to talk to his mother.

[Lamont McIntyre]

My grandmother answered the phone, so I said, where my mother at? She said, she's not here. And she started crying, and I'm like, what do you mean she's not here? She said, she's in the mental hospital. So my mother had a breakdown. She couldn't take it.

[Nikki Richardson]

Nico went to visit Rose.

[Nico Quinn]

When she got out, I was telling her what happened. And then me and her began having a relationship. We would talk more. I would be down there trying to help her, you know, get dressed, or if she was having a bad day, trying to help her get where she. We was always together, and I'd try to make her laugh. And we had a real good relationship at that time. And I would just pray for her. I would pray that God would take that pain away from her, that he would give her some type of strength to continue to go through this. I just wanted to make things right with her.

[Nikki Richardson]

Niko recanted her testimony again, this time in a sworn affidavit, so Lamont's lawyer could argue that he deserved a new trial. When that motion was denied, Nico began her own campaign.

[Nico Quinn]

I started seeing little things on TV about, you know, people's family members getting murdered, and they would go to, like, Martell Williams, Queen Latifah.

[Nikki Richardson]

It was the 90s, long before an online petition or social media campaign could draw attention to a case of injustice. So Nika wrote letters to the most famous people she could think of, hoping one of them might be able to help put a spotlight on Lamont's case. She kept Rose updated.

[Nico Quinn]

When I would talk to her, I would tell her, hey, I'm writing Oprah. I'm writing Jenny Jones, Ricki Lake, Geraldo.

[Nikki Richardson]

She sent a bunch of letters, but nothing came of them.

[Nico Quinn]

And I just felt like our story would never get out there. Nobody would ever know what happened in Kansas City, Kansas, and what we went through and what we was going through.

[Nikki Richardson]

Lamont was defeated. Nico felt guilty, and Rose was inconsolable. Each of their lives had been devastated by Roger Golubski, but what they didn't know at the time was that this was just the beginning. And they weren't alone. Golubski had many, many more victims, and his methods were darker than they could have ever imagined. But they were going to get to the bottom of it, fight for justice, and finally uncover the truth. Coming up on the Girlfriends Untouchable.

[Lamont McIntyre]

The Ron Jigaluski thing popped up in my lawyer's face.

[Nikki Richardson]

My phone immediately started ringing. People saying, hey, I know that guy. I know what he did to this person. This is horrific. This is horrible.

[Lamont McIntyre]

He did not receive a fair trial.

[Nico Quinn]

There's only one reason why you do that. To protect corrupt cops.

[Nikki Richardson]

The Girlfriend's Untouchable is produced by Novel for iHeart podcast. For more from Novel, visit Novel Audio. The show is narrated by me, Nikki Richardson. It was written and produced by Rufaro Mazarua. The editor is Joe Wheeler. Our assistant producer is Mohamed Ahmed. The researcher is Zayana Youssef. Production management from Cherie Houston and Joe Savage. The fact checker is Fendal Fulton. Sound design, mixing and scoring by Daniel Kimpson with additional engineering by Nicholas Alexander. Music supervision by Rufaro Mazurua, Nicholas Alexander and Joe Wheeler. Original music by Amanda Jones. The Girlfriends theme was composed by Amanda Jones and Louisa Gerstein. The series artwork was designed by Christina Lemkul. Story development by Olivia Smart and Nell Gray Andrews. The Voice of Rose McIntyre was read by Ebony Janelle Novel's director of development is Selena Mehta. Willard Foxton is Novel's creative director of development. Max O' Brien and Craig Strachan are executive producers for Novel. Katrina Norvell and Nikki Etor are the executive producers for iHeart podcast and the marketing lead is Alison Cantor. Special thanks to Will Pearson. And a special thanks to Karlie Frankel and the whole team at wme.

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