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Mike Pesca
It's Monday, November 17, 2025 from Peach Fish Productions, it's the Gist. I'm Mike Pesca and I'm here to tell you something that was reported but it wasn't widely reported. The reach of the report was not large or expansive. It was more of a teeny tiny report is about the Golden State Killer, Mr. Joseph James DeAngelis and the fact that he has a micro penis. Now this is not to be confused with the Macrophonis which is the fabulous wonder of the world just outside Athens. If you're in Greece, do see the Macroponists but don't see because you can't. The Golden State killer, Joseph James DeAngelis is very small pinky like it has been described penis. I talk about this in the just list. I put it behind a paywall in the Gist list because I was a little reticent to do deluge my readers. And yet when it comes to starting the show, which you can't even opt out of, it's free for everyone. I speak of the Golden Gate Killers micro penis. The victims, many of the victims noted this and you know, this was also reported in the news at the time. The PBS NewsHour reports on one of the victims showing up to a victim survivor statement session where she wore a T shirt that said Victim Survivor Thriver. And this woman, Carson Sander, included her observation that d' Angelo had a small penis. She got applause for that. You know, I think we are in a good place in terms of destigmatization and not body shaming. But I don't think and I don't know if it will actually be considered that good a place if we can't mock the small penises of killers. Also in the news, Hitler may have had a micro penis, only he didn't. This got a lot of play because he apparently has some disorder. 10% of the sufferers have micro penises. This wasn't the case. There was plenty of notations on Hitler's genitalia and they were not said to be small. There's also rumor that he had one testicle. He did, but he also had a second testicle. I mean, this is all pretty well known. There was unsubstantiated intel during the war that apparently Mussolini bit his weenie and now it doesn't squirt. We don't know this to be the case. There was never a meeting where this was chronicled. So again, Hitler probably didn't have a micropenis, though, was a very, very, very bad man. The Golden State Killer did have and does have to this day. He is alive and living, I hope, with his guilt and shame and his rather small penis, which we should not mock and don't mock. Except why do we even do a news report on it? That's a thinker. On the show today, I shall spiel about a former heel who wants to turn face. In wrestling terms, Marjorie Taylor Greene offers an olive branch, makes amends, but she's holding back on one concession. And it is about the Jews. But first, speaking of worried Jewish people, here in New York City, we have a new mayor. His name is Zoran. Mom. Donnie. And he will, he swears, not only retain the old police commissioner, Jessica Tisch, who was doing a very good job in terms of bringing down crime, but is also associated with a philosophy of policing that runs against some of Zoran's past statements. In other words, she's for policing. Jessica Tisch also is Jewish, but that is not what we're talking about today. We are talking about what might happen with crime in New York City. I live in New York City. I think a lot about crime. I've covered a lot of crime, but not quite as much as my guest, one of the experts. Nicole Jelinas is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributor to City Journal. Up next, what to expect when you're expecting a mayor who just a few years ago wanted to defund the police. Nicole Jelina is up next. Owning a home's amazing. It's a dream, a dream that people strive so much of their lives to achieve. 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And on the merits, Mamdani has the the much stronger argument, given that cities across the country also experience those crime waves. Ok, that was one data point. Three pages later, the New York Times editorial board gave a lengthy op ed where they talked about a bunch of things Mayor Elect Mamdani could do. And they write, the past few decades have offered strong evidence about how to reduce crime, including lower level crimes that foster a sense of disorder order. The solution involves substantial policing with officers who know the communities they patrol. Yeah, that is from everything I've read, the more police you have, the fewer, let us say, murders you have. So it's not as if these two entities, the op ed writer commissioned by the editorial board and the editorial board itself were exactly in opposition. But they're not preaching from the same hymnal. So to resolve this conflict and to talk about crime in New York and other cities and what we actually know versus the theories, I'm joined by for the first time, and I have to apologize, she hasn't been on before because she's great. Nicol Nicole Jelina. She's a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, she contributes to City Journal, she's written a book about cars and she knows a ton about policing. She's also one of those op ed contributors to the New York Times. Hello, Nicole. Welcome to the gist.
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Nicole Jelina
Good afternoon, Mike. Thanks for having me on.
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Mike Pesca
So did you read those op eds? You have to if you want to keep contributing to the Times. Right. You have to stay up on everything they write.
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Nicole Jelina
Sure, absolutely. And I mean, you know, that's how it's supposed to work. People disagree with each other and people can make up their own minds. Yes.
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Mike Pesca
So who do you think was right in this case?
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Nicole Jelina
This is not just a New York Times issue, but it reflects a broad debate and discussion in New York City, where you have one side, the urbanists who say crime is low in New York. You're most likely not going to be a victim of a violent crime in New York. And there's lots of other things we should be worried about, and those things are less fraught with peril in talking about them. You know, it's much easier to be talking about built, building, housing or elevator regulations than it is to be talking about putting people in prison. And then on the other side, the people who say, yes, crime has gotten much worse over the past six years and this is having an impact on our quality of life. And that's a problem. So the statistics would militate in favor of the latter. And that between 2019 and 2021, New York City had a 53% increase in the level of murders, the highest abro abrupt change in public safety in modern history. So you can go back to when the statistics start to become reliable in the mid-1960s. You will never see that big of an increase in the murder level in such a short time span. You know, it took like 10 years for the murder rate to triple from the 1960s to the 1970s. And that was certainly traumatic, but it did take longer so to say that people who had gotten used to Crime falling for 30 years from 1990 to 2019, homicide steadily fell. Other violent crimes steadily fell. You know, you'd sit in Bryant park and watch people leave their computers on the tables to go get a coffee. And that's such a high level of trust. You know, you don't see very often.
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Mike Pesca
You talked, you, you told my uncles who were cops in the 80s that that would happen. They just couldn't believe it. They couldn't believe it.
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Nicole Jelina
Right. And even, you know, when we had grand larceny start to increase on subways in the late 2000 and tens, the police would point out this is because people are waving around a thousand dollar piece of equipment in their hands and not paying a lot of attention to it. A lot of the times, like it just didn't even enter their head. Like, you know, wait a minute, my phone could be stolen. It was like just not even a thought. So to go from that to actually encountering disorder and violence on the city streets, I mean, I walk through the aftermath of a stabbing at our now closed Rain Reed a block away from here. The level of severely disturbed people on streets and subways, the subway homicide level, which is a good proxy for random crime that people worry about basically consistently quadrupling since the pandemic years. I mean we had one or two homicides a year before 2020 for a long time and now we had 11 last year. We've had a couple double digit years, but it's been closer to eight or nine. And so again you can turn that around and say, well that's not a lot of people. It is a lot more than it used to be and it is preventable and we know how to prevent it and we stopped preventing it.
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Mike Pesca
Right, right. And every, almost every subway murder gets huge amounts of attention because like certain kinds of murder, random killings very much frighten people. With other kinds of murder, home invasion or especially a drug beef, people can tell themselves, oh, there was a reason for that. But everyone randomly rides the subway extremely.
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Nicole Jelina
You know, I, I read the print papers just like you, you know, I get five papers here, it takes all day to read them. But the like, if you're reading the paper, it's like, well, someone got shot at a queen's poker game at 2:00am you're like, well I'm sad but I'm not going to be at a queen's poker game at 2am So I guess I can put that on the list of things I don't have to worry about. Whereas.
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Mike Pesca
But if you do, don't take the subway.
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Nicole Jelina
I mean a woman gets pushed to her death on subway at 9:45 in the morning, like, well, that kind of something I have to put in my head that maybe I should be a little worried about. And again, you know, not to pick on our nice urbanists, but these are the same people that often go to Europe and come home with tales of how wonderful the bike lanes are and outdoor cafes. And it's like, well, they basically have no violent crime on their transit system. So, you know, point me to another successful global transit system that regularly accepts 10 to 12 murders a year on the subway in a couple of recent years. There is absolutely none. I think there's been two homicides on the tube over the past six years.
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Mike Pesca
You know, this is, and unlike other America to Europe comparisons, it's not in this case, tell me if I'm wrong, but it's not mostly about guns, which explains the vast majority of all.
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Nicole Jelina
Yeah, very little gun crime on the subway. We did. That's not to say none. We did have a mass shooting on the subway that injured 10 people three years ago.
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Mike Pesca
Right. No one died in that.
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Nicole Jelina
Yeah. And we did have two people killed in more of a gang shooting on the subway, including innocent bystander a year ago. But most of these are stabbing deaths, pushing deaths. They are not crimes of gun violence and they are committed to by people with a long history of arrests and, and, or, but usually and a long history of known mental health problems that are known to New York City. In New York State, I mean, you had a person who stabbed someone on the subway and that person didn't die and he was let out of jail and then he stabbed another person on the subway and that person died. You know, almost a parody of, oh, you know, we only let people out of jail for non violent offenses. Like that's just not the case. And this has gone on to create more problems. And you know, to go back to my beginning, our increase in the homicide rate was far higher than the rate that the country as a whole saw. And we have been slower to recovery. Our overall felony rate right now, or felony level is still about 25, 30%, you know, depending on whether it's good week or a bad week higher than it was in 2019. So, you know, if you lived here.
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Mike Pesca
And compared to other big cities, their crime rates have very much stabilized, gone.
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Nicole Jelina
Down, you go into the stores and everything is locked up. You know, you have people openly pushing drugs in major areas, including Times Square, Washington Square Park. We had two fatal drug overdoses in Washington Square park. And now they're finally doing sweeps, but the sweeps just end and then people are right back. So a very different environment for living your day to day life. If you were here years and decades before 2020 and then stayed here in 2020 and are still here, you know, these changes are real.
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Mike Pesca
So what I wanted to do, just to say a couple of things because I'm anticipating what the audience is hearing. Crime is up. I hope they understand that you're saying, yes, but compared to other cities, it has not gone down to the same degree at all. They're also hearing that subway murders and subway crime is up, but it accounts for eight or nine murders out of a million subway riders. And maybe some people are saying, sure, it would Be great if you could get that back to two, but we're talking about six net murders versus a million riders. It's mainly, I don't know, mainly just focusing on statistical outliers. However, I want to go back to what David Wallace Wells was saying because it's very important not just to try to contextualize how many people died and how bad that is, but why, why it happened. And he was saying that Tish and Mamdani disagree on what caused the pandemic crime surge. And if you disagree on these fundamental things, especially if there's really good evidence as to the answer, we're going to get some insight as to who might be right in trying to bring it down. So I think that their disagreement, as Wells was saying, was that Tish thinks it was largely, if not all due to bail reform. And Wells, Wallace Wells, and mom Donnie would say, no, it's just due to the pandemic itself. What does the evidence show?
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Nicole Jelina
Yeah, so, you know, this is a, a common talking point among people who supported bail reform, including the lawmakers who enacted it, including, you know, mayor, like Mamdani himself has said this, including when we talked to him about a year ago when he first started running. Senator, State Senator Genaris from Queens, one of the architects of bail reform, always trotting out these statistics that only a small percentage is small percentage of people released on B on to commit violent crimes. That's true.
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Mike Pesca
That is true.
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Nicole Jelina
But it's.
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Mike Pesca
That is true.
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Nicole Jelina
This is very narrow because even before bail reform, as the Queen's seat, the former Queen's top prosecutor, Jim Quinn, is always telling us, if you for some reason take it into your head to go steal something from the store and you get arrested and you've never been arrested before, you'll be booked, but you're not going to be thrown onto Rikers Island. You'll be given a bail or released on your own recognizance and you'll be out. You know, we were not. The jails were not full of first time nonviolent offenders before bail reform. The vast majority of these people were released on nominal or no bail. So that in most of them, you would resolve their cases and everyone would go on with life. What bail reform did was, was taking people who had been arrested many, many, many times for the same crime. These are the people that finally the judge and the prosecutors would say, all right, that's it. We don't know what to do with you. We're going to put you on Rikers. And people who are Committing violence adjacent offenses. So if you're caught with a gun, that is basically considered a violent crime in New York.
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Mike Pesca
It is a few other jurisdictions, and that is one of the things that keep us safe.
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Nicole Jelina
Now you're going to be released or you committed an assault that didn't lead to serious bodily injury, but you have a history of assaults, you know, that's kind of a warning sign. Now you're going to be released. Because they did bail reform with no danger standard. So 49 other states there, many, many of which have done these types of reforms, the judge can consider whether the person appears to be dangerous or not. They cannot consider that in New York State, although, and sometimes in practice they do so. In a recent study, the Data Collaborative for Justice at CUNY just released its third study on bail reform. And the supporters say, hey, it shows that there was no increase in violence from this. But what it actually shows you, my colleague just did an article on this, is that when it comes to the highest risk defendants, the reduced use of bail was consistently associated with worse outcomes. So these are the crimes that people worried about or worry about, repeat violent felonies, repeat crimes that have to do with some type of disturbance. I mean, if you, if you're walking down the street and you randomly punch a woman in the face versus you're at a bar and you get an argument with someone and it ends up with someone being punched in the face, these are very different qualitatively. And it indicates one person is going to escalate this behavior and one person maybe made a mistake out of impulse. And they're not. And this system does not allow to differentiate between these things. So yes, crime, violent crime, particularly assaults and homicides, went up coinciding with bail reform. Bail reform is only a part of it, but it certainly is a part of it.
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Mike Pesca
So to explain, bail reform very much did help the vast majority, and by help, I mean was fair and didn't hurt society to the vast majority of people who received it, because the vast majority of them are low risk offenders. But for the very high risk offenders, the violent ones, the ones with a history of violence, the ones who committed an act of violence, violence, there were statistics, very good, robust, repeat statistics that show that those that bail reform allowed more people out and those people who were allowed out committed more crimes than they would have if they were in jail. And let's also add to that that New York's the only state that didn't allow judges to intervene and say, no, these high risk defendants, they won't be the beneficiaries of bail reform. Is that all right?
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Nicole Jelina
Yeah, I mean, this, you know, this CUNY John Jay study, they've done this three times. They updated it as data comes out and you know, three times they found, you know, again, to excerpt from their study, that the mandatory release provisions increased recidivism for people with substantial recent criminal histories. And then again, they said in the first version of the study, when it comes to high risk individuals, there's an increase in violent felony recidivism within two years. Statistically significant increase in pre trial violent felony recidivism. So again, these are the people constantly assaulting people, assaulting people, assaulting people. The criminal justice deterrence of, oh my God, I got arrested for an assault. I better stick to straight and narrow here and not get in trouble again. It just doesn't seem to be working for them. And you know, you can say, well, that's because they have have mental health problems, some of them do. But you would. This was predictable. You would do this bail reform at the same time as you do a robust, well managed inpatient and strictly supervised outpatient mental health system. And we didn't do that. You know, we did the bail reform and it's like five years later we started worrying about how do we incapacitate people with the mental health system if you're not going to do it through the criminal justice system.
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Mike Pesca
So let us go back to that assertion that they disagree on what caused the pandemic crime surge. I saw comments made by Commissioner Tish. She did reject the idea that the pandemic caused a spike in crime, blaming Instead the state's 2021 bail reform laws that eliminated cash bail for most nonviolent offenses. Can we say though, that she's right, that that even if everything is that you're saying is true, that's what caused the spike in crime? It could be that those high risk recidivist defendants did go on to commit more crimes, but did that account for most of the increase in crimes during the pandemic?
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Nicole Jelina
I think the pandemic caused a lot of dislocation and disruption that resulted in higher disorder and crime. But the bail reform and also the release of thousands of people from Rikers during the early weeks of the pandemic made it much, much harder to rein in that increase. So, you know, people having no school, you have 16 and 17 year olds on the street at the same time that we've massively pulled back any police interaction with these people. Not really a great idea. You have people who are in homeless shelters. Their mental health support is closed down. They're not talking to their social worker. They're not talking to their parole officer. They're not, you know, they're seeing the world collapse around them on the street. This is exacerbating their problems. And there's nobody there to help them. And then when they get arrested, they're put right back on the street a day later. Stores that were closed that are, you know, great invitations to smashing the window and stealing the stuff inside, which began to happen on an isolated basis before the looting later that spring. Subways that are entirely empty, where the people who are taking subways are much more at risk of being a robbery or an assault victim because there's nobody around to protect them. So you sort of create the perfect environment for people to start to commit crime, some opportunistically and some because their mental health problems have become worse. You know, they can't get their medication. You know, a million problems. I mean, even very functional people had problems adjusting to the lockdown. And you have people with no help and no support and no, no supervision from the criminal justice system. So it's no surprise that these two things went together and created a worse situation for New York City relative to most other cities.
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Mike Pesca
Well, no surprise, but I will now read you a headline from a Brennan center report. This is From August of 24, bail reform and public safety data from 33 cities across the country discredits the claim that bail reform causes crime to increase. So not only are they surprised, they're saying the phenomenon doesn't happen.
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Nicole Jelina
Yeah, I mean, we can go through, you know, this sort of study after study. Ping pong, ping pong, ping pong. In. In general, most of these studies have a sentence or footnote or something somewhere that says, for the repeat violent offenders, bail reform made it worse because you reduced or eliminated the capacity to keep these people in jail. And, you know, another rejoinder to all of this is, well, we can go through all of these cases from, you know, the guy released on parole, who violated his parole and wasn't put back in jail, who killed, you know, randomly killed four people on the streets of New York City last year to Jordan Neely, who was. Who. Who ignored an order to report to his mental health treatment and wasn't arrested and ended up threatening people on subway and being killed himself in what was adjudicated as self defense homicide. Every single one of these cases, there's a place where a judge could have said, okay, yeah, we're gonna put this Put this person back for violating parole. We're gonna send the police out assertively and go find this guy for not participating in his mental health treatment often, because these people have appeared in court 15 times in the past 10 years. You know, there's some cases where it's bail reform. There's some cases where it's a judge. There's some cases where it's something else. So you have a highly flawed, imperfect system where the people don't work with each other the way they're supposed to do. And rather than fixing that, you just throw another massively flawed piece of reform at it and expect everything to work itself out. So the judge who's on the cusp of do I release this guy or not is working in an environment where the state legislature, the city council, the sort of zeitgeist of the city has just said, if it's an edge case, you should release them. That is the will of state law, city law, everything else. So it's no surprise that they started making these decisions more often.
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Mike Pesca
Nicole Jelinas is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributor to City Journal. Thank you.
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Nicole Jelina
Thank you, Mike. This was fun.
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Mike Pesca
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Mike Pesca
And now the spiel. In a shocking development, Marjorie Taylor Greene was on CNN and no one even yelled at each other. Marjorie Taylor Greener, as Trump calls her now. Marjorie Trader Greene was on failing cnn. The Georgia congresswoman explained why she was very disappointed in the president but she doesn't want to fight with him over the release of the Epstein files. She was being, I don't know, perhaps magnanimous, but added that she had spoken to the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and was there to report that they lean.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene
Trump, that the women themselves that I have talked to have over and over again said that Donald Trump did nothing wrong. Quite a few of them even told me they voted for him. And those are the women I would like to see in the Oval office with support. I would like to see all of the women there with support. I have no idea what's in the files. I can't even guess. But that is the questions everyone is asking is why fight this so hard?
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Mike Pesca
Trump, by the way, now says he wants to release the Epstein files with a concentration on Epstein's interaction with Democrats, including Lawrence Summers. Yes, that's what America needs to know. If the former president of Harvard was on a flight decades ago, not if Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, the actual current president, shared a 16 year old Brandi. Keeping in mind Trump doesn't drink. And then, in an even more shocking development, Marjorie Taylor Greene issued a call for calm. Marjorie Taylor Greene. Marjorie Terror Greene.
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Nicole Jelina
Congresswoman, you posted on X that President Trump is with his comments fueling a, quote, hotbed of threats against you. Obviously any threats to your safety are completely unacceptable. But we have seen these kinds of attacks or criticism from the president at other people. It's not new. And with respect, I haven't heard you speak out about it until it was directed at you.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene
Dana, I think that's fair criticism and I would like to say humbly, I'm sorry for taking part in the toxic politics. It's very bad for our country and it's been something I've thought about a lot, especially since Charlie Kerr was assassinated, is that wei'm only responsible for myself and my own words and actions. And I am goingi am committed and I've been working on this a lot lately to put down the knives in politics. I really just want to see people be kind to one another. And we need to figure out a new path forward that is focused on the American people. Because as Americans, no matter what side of the aisle we're on, we have far more in common than we have differences.
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Mike Pesca
Wow, that is Marjorie Trembler Green. You know, I gotta hand it to the president, the nickname thing, it's a little harder than it looks. Marjorie Trader Greene is pretty good. I can't improve on that. I don't agree with it, but it's good. I'm not giving him any credit on Ron Desanctimonious. But when you're dealing with Marjorie Taylor Greene and she's the nice one and you're the mean one, it's just an odd dynamic. It does seem that it's a new leaf that Marjorie Taylor Greene is turning over. She is no longer full of hate, she is no longer itching to fight. And she is, I would assume, backing off the whole Jewish space laser thing. Here's the deal. There is turning over a new leaf and there's full scale DNA replacement. And Marjorie Taylor Greene is still Marjorie Taylor Greene. As CNN's Dana Bash asked about Israel.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene
And we saw Jeffrey Epstein with ties to Ehud Barak. We saw him making business deals with them also business deals that involved the Israeli government and seems to have led into their intel agencies. And I think the right question is to ask is, was Jeffrey Epstein working for Israel? And I'm proud to say I don't take money from aipac. I don't take money from any special group of people. I'm just representing my district and the American people. And so that's what I was referring to.
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Nicole Jelina
I just want to be clear. Are you saying Israel is pushing the President of the United States to cover up the Epstein files? And what evidence do you have? Have that that is.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene
No, I simply. No, I simply asked. No, I simply just asked out loud, is there a foreign government? It could be any foreign government.
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Mike Pesca
Could be Eswatini, could be Tuvalu, who knows what country. Of course, Greene's tweets concerned aipac, which is, from what I understand, the American Icelandic political action committee. American Irish. Oh no, it is the American Israel Political action committee. So she has still a little bit of anti Israel conspiracy kicking around in there. Because really, when you think about it, would the Mossad work with an extremely public one man scandal? I do not think what the world's foremost intelligence agency would do. And what was the end goal of the Mossad? Let's play this out. Was it to get Alan Dershowitz to support Israel? I guess mission accomplished. You might not need that much Kompromat for that one. Also, Mossad knows how to eliminate one of their mistakes cleaner than the Jeffrey Epstein case would indicate. But I don't want to squabble too much with the newly non fractious Marjorie Taylor Greene. The peace facing Marjorie Taylor Greene still is a touch of the anti Semitism, but you know, baby steps, baby steps in her party right now if you want to build bridges. Touch of the anti Semitism doesn't hurt. Little bit, little bit useful. This is all a shocking development. It's not 100% shocking. MTG still can't imagine why Trump would be against the release of the Epstein files. She still buys into at least one conspiracy. She still thinks the Jews are behind things or at least ask questions. She however, did not yell at the CNN anchor. That's pretty good. It counts as progress. The anti toxicity, the olive branch. Congresswoman from Georgia's 14th congressional district, Marjorie Tender Greene. The Gist is produced by Cory Wara. We had help today from Leah Yan. Kathleen Sykes helps me with the just list. Text Mike 233777 and you could see what's behind today's Paywall pageant chicanery in the Philippines. Jeff Craig does so much with the video and the socials and the and the visual. He's a master of the visual in this a primarily audio form. Michelle Pesca also works with the visuals but is mostly the visionary. Improve do Peru and thanks for listening. Introducing Family Freedom from T Mobile we'll pay off four phones up to $3200 and give you four free phones, all on America's largest 5G network. Visit t mobile.com familyfreedom Come on. Up to $800 per line via virtual prepaid card typically takes 15 days. Free phone via 24 monthly bill credits with finance agreement. Example Apple iPhone 16128 gigs $829.99 Eligible trade in example iPhone 11 Pro for well qualified credits end in balance due if you pay off early or cancel. Contact us. You're a small business owner, but that means you're a lot of other things too. Accountant, handyman, payroll specialist, and IT expert, just to name a few. So how about you let capitas make at least one thing easy for you. Capitus is the home of small business financing made simple. Compare multiple offers at once for business loans, lines of credit, equipment financing, revenue based financing and more. No appointments, no waiting days for approval. Up your cash flow and grow your business with Capitas today. Start an application@capitus.com that's kapitus.com.