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Foreign It's Wednesday, Aug. 6, 2025 from Peach Fish Productions. It's the gist. I'm Mike Pesca and my guest today for the whole show is E. Jean Carroll. You know her. She was a longtime columnist for many an outlet and recently won a multimillion dollar case against one Donald J. Trump. The book is called Not My Type, One Woman versus A President, the Donald J. Trump President. But I will say there is something of, I don't really think it's an elephant in the room, but there's a cadre of people who don't believe Eegene Carroll. They don't believe that she was sexually assaulted in a dressing room in Manhattan many years ago. And we talk about what exact year. And I took that idea, I took that critique seriously and I waded into the conversation. What was the best case against E. Jean Carroll? And I'm not here to say. And I listened to, to I listen to Megyn Kelly and I listen to a few of the critics and I'm not here to say that I'm 100% sure what happened. No, no one can be right. There's a great unknown at the heart of it. But I am here to say that I wouldn't put Eugene Carol on if I disbelieved her. And so in coming to my conclusion, whether to interview her, and I'm glad I did, it's great interview. I took a number of things into account. A few of them we'll get to in the interviews, things that maybe make her more believable. But consider this, if you're like, should we even listen to this woman? And I know a whole bunch of you are like, of course we should listen to her. Clearly happen. It's part of a pattern of what he does. Here are some of my other considerations that got me there. One, there was a jury trial. And even though it's a preponderance of the evidence standard, there was a trial. And I don't totally defer to that. But that is a big data point, is it not? And unlike most of her critics, the jury heard the whole case. And Donald Trump was represented by very able counsel who kept out a lot of information that his side thought of as very damning. The same is also true with certain jurors were on the jury that would not just by their demographic or by their background maybe or even by their media consumption would be favorable to E. Jean Carroll. But all the jurors decided that there is more evidence than not that she was sexually assaulted in, in that Dressing room. I did not read all the transcript, but the book has many transcripts. And when you read those transcripts, sure, this is why Eugene Carroll put them in the book, but they serve Eugene Carroll's point very well. The other thing that I thought about in addition to what we talk about in the interview and you know, why would she lie in the particular way that she did by getting a certain year wrong at first was that Trump was a terrible defendant. Now, this does not get go to guilt or innocence, but it goes to the idea that he had many, many, many opportunities to defend himself and he did so poorly and he did so carelessly and he made choices in his defense that he didn't have to make that wouldn't comport with someone who, quote, didn't do it. When asked to we get into this. When asked to identify pictures of E. Jean Carroll, he couldn't have given worse answers. In fact, an answer so bad it is the title of the book not my Type. And then he misidentified who Aegean Carroll was as someone who was very much his type, which is to say he said, oh, that's my ex wife, Marla Maples. You don't give a worse answer than that in a deposition. Then he claimed the picture was blurry. When jurors see that picture, they're going to say the defendant not making all the excuses in the world for Donald Trump. Maybe in this case the defendant seems to be lying to me. And it is a reasonable inference. Jurors are told when you detect lying in one venue, you can apply that to others, that the defendant is indeed a liar or could be. You add it all up. I can't approach the word definitive, but again, I say to you, I wouldn't have Eugene Carroll on the show if I disbelieved her. And so she is on the show. E.E. jean Carroll, not my type. One woman versus a president. As summer winds down, I'm all about refreshing my wardrobe and what I like to call my staple pieces for the season ahead. I didn't know they were called staple pieces, but then I found out what they were. Quint helps me do that. Quint styles are so versatile, I find myself reaching for them again and again. I want to mostly focus on linen pants, linen shorts, really? Oh, am I a Beau Brummel, a man about town, in my linen quince shorts? They're half the cost of similar brands. I take it on faith I don't even look to similar brands. So good are the quince shorts. 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