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Mike Pesca
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I think some news outlets should really run with that. Could be a peg. But what Mr. Trump has done of significance in Day 1161, the war in Ukraine was of interest to me. So Vladimir Putin currently on day 9124 of power. If you don't Count the Medvedev interregnum. And he doesn't. He's not been negotiating to Donald Trump's satisfaction. So it's time to make some progress with the other party in the conflict. You know, the conflict. It's one that candidate Trump vowed to settle in the first 14, 40 minutes. I will get the problem solved, and I will get it solved in rapid order, and it will take me no longer than one day. I know exactly what to say to each of them. I got along with very well with him. Trump has now turned to Vladimir Zelensky. He's on day 2161. And this is because Xi Jinping on day 4426, controls all the rare earths, rare earths. And Trump is correctly nervous about getting access to them, thanks to his trade war. Now in day 28, since Liberation Day, Bloomberg is reporting the rare earth deal is ready to go. Maybe it will be by the time you hear this. Now, to be clear, when we say rare earths, and we do like to say rare earths, fun to say rare earths, great thing to say. Like Donald Trump. I don't even know if I'm saying it like him or more like Scooby Doo. But rare earth, we don't necessarily mean the literal rare earths. You know, your prasio demium, your cerium, your lanthanum, your neodymium. I think I had an extra syllable there. It's okay, we'll go with it. Or of course, your gadolinium, but it probably includes lithium. It includes the rare earths in Ukraine, includes 22 of the 34 elements listed as critical by the EU. So the US will take it. The US will literally take it. Sort of like the Russians will take Ukrainian territory, which up until now, the US has not had that much of a problem with. But, you know, maybe the rare earth deal will so please Donald Trump that he will turn against Putin, that he will sympathize with the Ukrainians, that he will show loyalty to a negotiating partner who's showing him some loyalty, as opposed to doing the thing where you're sadly desperate to win over the favor of a thug who disrespects you. If that happens, that will be a day 101 through 100 never type development, an occurrence more rare than the very powerful rare earth on the show. Today, I bring you the most affordable government agency, one showing so much effectiveness and efficiency that it bowled over Donald Trump and the Doge team, and they let it survive. No, I am just kidding. Trump and Elon Musk killed these guys, too. But first, Sadie Dingfelder is back, and I set my steely gaze on her, my lantern jaw fixed at an imposing angle. How did it get so lantern? Why mewing, of course. A technique designed to strengthen and bulk up the jaw, which, as we all know through science, is the key to male pulchritude. Or is that bullshit city? Dingfelder has the answer up next. If Ed is getting you down, don't blame Ed. That guy's not special. Lots of guys have it. You need to get up. Get up with hims. Boost your confidence. Boost other things. Hims helps you last longer. Be more confident if you're feeling stalled in the bedroom. Gotta get some gas back in the tank. I'm not going to speak elliptically, but I'm not going to speak specifically about about what Hims does or what Ed is. We all know it can be uncomfortable. Or I've heard that it can be uncomfortable. Hims is changing men's health care by providing affordable sexual health treatments from the comfort of your couch. They have doctor trusted ed treatments like Viagra and Calis. They have generics and you can save 95% on them. 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But in general, a man, I think throughout history and throughout cultures is prized if he has the lantern jaw, the chiseled square jaw, think Christopher Reeves or maybe George Reeves, all the supermen. But here I am talking about how to get that jaw. Can you get that jaw? This is a latest trend, a scientific or quasi scientific trend. And when quasi science comes into our purview, we call on Sadie Dingfelder, the author of Do I Know you? A Face Blind Reporter's Journey into the Science of Sight, Memory and Imagination. Actual book. If you're watching the video holding it up, I'm not lying. The book exists and Sadie Dingfelder is here to play. Is that bullshit? Hello, Sadie.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Hello.
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Mike Pesca
So how do we get a lantern jaw? Is this just called lantern jawing?
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Sadie Dingfelder
No, it is called mewing.
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Mike Pesca
What?
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yes, it's named after the. The man who invented it, John Mu, who is a. He was a British orthodontist. He's not dead, but he was disbarred or whatever the equivalent is.
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Mike Pesca
Dissented.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, he was struck from the Register of orthodontia in England.
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Mike Pesca
I wonder if that's a real ceremony. If there's like, torn epilogues and things like that.
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Sadie Dingfelder
It seems like a big deal. There's all these hearings, and then. Then his son was more recently disbarred from them, so.
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Mike Pesca
Wow. And we know that, you know, in the uk, the inherited traits and the inher titles. So it is a big deal to disbar the son of an orthodontist.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, totally. So two disgraced orthodontists in England. But they. They're John Mew and Mike Mew. Oh, wait, let's start with mewing. Okay. So this is also known as tongue yoga.
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Mike Pesca
Okay.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Okay. So what we're gonna do is put the tip of our tongue behind.
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Mike Pesca
Oh, you're gonna teach me how to do it?
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Sadie Dingfelder
We gotta do it. I mean, unless you feel like your jawline's already there.
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Mike Pesca
Oh, so it's a series of exercises.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Mike Pesca
Work out your jaw. And then your jaw becomes square lantern, prominent jaw.
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Sadie Dingfelder
This is what the muse claim.
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Mike Pesca
Okay, okay, let's say.
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Sadie Dingfelder
So we put the tip of our tongue beneath your top row of teeth.
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Mike Pesca
Got.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Now you swallow. And do you feel how your tongue presses against the roof of your mouth when you swallow a little bit? Now breathe through your nose. Now do that for 10 to 20 seconds every mini. Like, about once an hour every day.
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Mike Pesca
And so 20 seconds every hour, every day for the rest of your life.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
And your jaw gets. Land your jaw when you do it.
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Sadie Dingfelder
That's just one rep. I think you're supposed to do, like, more than one rep. Like maybe 10 reps.
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Mike Pesca
Okay, that's a rep. And is that the only exercise, or is that a series of exercises that. The downward dog of tongue yoga.
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Sadie Dingfelder
That's the whole thing. That is mewing. But interestingly.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah, that's it. Oh, wow. What a. What a delight you'd be at parties.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah. And there's a lot of instructional videos, so maybe I didn't do it exactly Right. But I think that's pretty standard.
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Mike Pesca
Okay.
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Sadie Dingfelder
And interestingly, though, there's a more common usage of the word mu that young people use that I think is more common. And they don't even know about the tongue exercise really. But it's a gesture. And the gesture is this. You put your finger on your lips in an exaggerated hush gesture, and then you just draw your jawline. So you bring your finger along your jawline.
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Mike Pesca
And that's supposed to do something?
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Sadie Dingfelder
No, that is how you can say to someone, I'm Sorry, I can't answer your question right now because I am mewing.
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Mike Pesca
Oh, wow. So etiquette. It's the exercise. It's the etiquette. That's like, at the gym. Hey, man, can you give me a spot? This is the exercise. Oh, wow.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Apparently, kids use it to annoy their teachers, so if they're asked a question in class, they'll be like, you can't be.
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Mike Pesca
No, you can't mew your way out of not knowing who wrote Beowulf anyway. Who did write Beowulf?
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Sadie Dingfelder
I don't actually know.
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Mike Pesca
It was, like, collectively, I think it's just like a, you know, epic poem. That was a bad example. Who wrote Siddhartha? It was Herman Hescha.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah. So. But I think it's like the equivalent of in our generation when you'd say, like, I can't go out with you. I'm washing my hair.
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Mike Pesca
Right. Oh, okay. So it's just a way to diss someone and diss them, saying, I'm involved in the lowest stakes exercise possible.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Right.
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Mike Pesca
And in this case, an actual exercise.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Right. But I do think the kids don't really know it that much, and they just know it's a funny excuse for not talking to someone.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah. So why is. I mean, why? Obviously, like I said, having a square jaw, that correlates to standards of beauty. But why is this taken off? Is it because of the effectiveness of the exercise? Like, who wouldn't do it if you could get a square jaw?
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah. Well, so it. The way this took off is super interesting because the older mu had this, you know, very small, dedicated group of customers of patience. Yeah. But the elder mew, when he took over from his dad when his dad got disbarred.
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Mike Pesca
Oh, the younger mew when he took over from the elder mew.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yes. He's the one who took it international.
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Mike Pesca
Mike Mew. Mike Mew.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah. He's the social media genius. And he immediately got picked up by the looksmaxers with a few exes. And looks Maxers are sort of in the incel tradition of, like, having the story.
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Mike Pesca
Tradition.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yes.
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Mike Pesca
People not wanting to sleep with you.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, yeah. But. Yeah, so. Of trying to, like, help improve your chances. Because that's all women care about is jawlines, right?
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Mike Pesca
Yeah, pretty much.
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Sadie Dingfelder
So.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah. And prominent brow ridge, from what I understand. Oh, really?
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Sadie Dingfelder
That's a whole nother. We could invent that and make money. Like, just raise your eyebrows and work on your jaw ridge.
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Mike Pesca
Well, the duck face among the women was. But that's a temporary. You could you could do that just at the drop of a hat? The strong jawline. There may be things to do in a picture where you suck your jaw in, but if you want the strong jawline, you apparently have to do 10 seconds of exercise every hour and maybe even more.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Well, but before you do that, let me just tell you that number one, even theoretically, there's no reason why this should work for adults. And even the muse will agree with this. So your jaw is done growing and you're not going to change it by doing weird tongue exercises all the time. Now it could theoretically work for young children.
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Mike Pesca
Yes.
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Sadie Dingfelder
But can you imagine getting a young children to do a behavior like that? Like to do some exercise all the time?
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Mike Pesca
Yeah. It's abusive and it's weird. And also it probably doesn't work. And also how do you know how the jaw of a child is going to develop? Like I suppose I've seen a two year old and said, oh my God, that there is a jaw that could cut granite. But mostly I'm like, baby, I feel.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Like if I saw a job that could cut granite on a two year old, I'd be worried about steroid use or something.
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Mike Pesca
Be a little off putting. Right. He'd be like that mini Hercules kid or the kid who smokes cigarettes in the Thai jungle. So, yeah. So okay, it maybe could work with children. It definitely doesn't work with adults. And so therefore there's no reason that this is popular. Except this is incredibly popular.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
And not as a joke and not just as a way to say sorry, I'm not going to answer you. I'm mewing.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, people do it. And one, I found one example of someone who was so dedicated, this like 17 year old who had extreme dislike. He did not like his face.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah.
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Sadie Dingfelder
And he was very dedicated and he ended up giving himself like an impacted salivary gland and had to get surgery. But that's the only. I only found one example of someone injuring themselves with mewing.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah.
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Sadie Dingfelder
So maybe that's one reason why it's popular.
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Mike Pesca
The downside is wasted time, not necessarily injury and the total ineffectiveness of the procedure. But how would they. It doesn't seem that hard to do a before and after comparison. But have they or whoever the they is.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
Have they taken it seriously enough that they tried to do a full scientific. I don't know if it's double blind, but a full scientifically proper analysis of if it works.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah. John Mu did twin studies, which is kind of amazing. And if you look at them though, I Don't think anyone's done a serious analysis of them. I don't think he took very good data.
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Mike Pesca
Right. But you do remember this is the disbarred or orthodontic equivalent of a charlatan esque person. And we're, and we're going to rely on him to supply the data. That's questionable.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, yeah. One thing interesting about John Mew is that he has a very long face and not a very good jawline. And he thinks it's because he became a mouth breather because he had allergies. And there is, there is, it is possible that that can happen. And his son Mike Mew has a very square jaw.
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Mike Pesca
Interesting.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah. And so, and he put his kids through so much because he knew you can't just ask a kid to do this. He invented these orthodontic devices with like spikes in them that force quote unquote, proper posture. And if it was just his kids he was doing it to, that'd be bad enough. But he was doing it to other kids too. And in the John Mu trials or hearings they brought in, they showed pictures like he really messed up some kids teeth. And one kid was having seizure like episodes when they tried to put the headgear on them. These poor 5 year olds were forced to wear headgear literally 24 hours a day.
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Mike Pesca
And to have strong jawlines.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
To look good when they're adults.
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Sadie Dingfelder
I mean the thing is they, the muse would argue that this is about health.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah.
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Sadie Dingfelder
But having a weak jawline is not really like a recognized health problem. But you do have crowded teeth if your jaw's smaller.
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Mike Pesca
Uh huh. At the hearing. It would be great if Mike Mew had a raft of character witnesses. And then there were all these square jawed cartoon characters. They look like Dick Tracy. And they all walked in one by one. They were like proof in the chin pudding, my friends. But this was not the case.
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Sadie Dingfelder
That, that was not the case. No. And he, I do feel bad for them a little bit because they, they went all in on this whole thing and they like put all their money in having an expensive lawyer and all this stuff. And I feel, I mean like there's a documentary and when you see them and you see their cute little family, you do feel for them. But they are hurting people and their teeth.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah. So what's, what would be a good name for that documentary? Keep your chin up. The story of John.
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Sadie Dingfelder
They had a name too, but these dental devices on order, I don't know.
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Mike Pesca
I can think of a lot of Them.
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Sadie Dingfelder
That's good too. Because of your orderly teeth.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah. Oh, interesting. Very good, very good. So he didn't make money. He's not. Or he's an unsuccessful charlatan or. You tell me.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Well, they were charging people, one person, they charged £12,500 for 36 months of treatment. So it's not cheap.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah. And though it is ineffective.
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Sadie Dingfelder
It is. Yeah, yeah, that. Let's see, they also referred this one kid to surgery for tongue tie that he didn't need. And his teeth were pretty messed up after all this. And he had an ulcer. Oh, yeah. My other, the 20, 23 kid was 18, not 17, and he practiced mewing seven hours a day.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah. And he's the one who had the impacted salivary gland.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, he got a salivary gland cyst which had to be removed.
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Mike Pesca
So we have pictures of John Mew. Why the long face? We have pictures of Michael Mew, square jawed. This is but one anecdote. If these people are people who are his acolytes, if these jaw maxers have been mewing and mewing and mewing, they should be able to. And you could do this with, you know, tricks of light or editing show before and after photos. Are those out there people?
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, absolutely. There's like a whole Reddit channel devoted to very impressive looking before and after photos. But. And I looked at them and a lot of them, some of them were pretty impressive, but a lot of them were clearly just like a better angle.
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Mike Pesca
Or like jutting out their face.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, exactly.
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Mike Pesca
Right. So if you were to do it, you'd have to have the face held in the same posture and a measure. And have they ever tried that? Not someone they knew trying that, but someone independent trying that.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Not that I could find.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah.
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Sadie Dingfelder
And. And that's probably because again, like, even theoretically it shouldn't work for adults and for young children it seems like inhumane.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah. And so the downside is it's a huge waste of time and people are lying to you about science. But there's also this social, or I would say, you know, socio maybe political downside is in that the people who are into this are being lied to and being tricked. But there's a kind of culture of in seldom or anti or let's just call it misogyny. Right. Involved in this.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
And also a message to boys, it's mostly to boys that unless you have this perfectly square jaw, you're not good looking and no one will ever like you.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Right. Like instead they should have like, you know, people the muse suggesting that kids with soft jawlines just work on their joke telling or their guitar playing.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah, Yeah.
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Sadie Dingfelder
I think juggling is the one talent that doesn't actually occur.
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Mike Pesca
Negative correlated. Just wealth acquisition. Yeah. This is tried and true. Joke telling is a good. Yeah. Or are there? I guess I'm trying to think of the soft jawed or the weak jawed sex symbols and there are none.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Michael Sarah.
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Mike Pesca
Michael Sarah. He's weak jawed or just like slim shouldered?
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Sadie Dingfelder
No, I think, I think he's got pretty weak jaw.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah. Good.
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Sadie Dingfelder
I asked Chad and my friends for suggestions and he came up a few times and I looked at pictures. I'm thinking, I think that's solid.
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Mike Pesca
Is he a sex symbol?
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Sadie Dingfelder
Maybe not.
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Mike Pesca
Okay. Yeah, he gets cast as. Exactly. Not that in every movie.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
All right, so you know, the jaw maxing Reddit page also has like a link to the Michael Cera Reddit page, like Michael Sarah fan page. And that's the off ramp. Like the people go in and they try to convince the jaw maxers, Michael Cera has a nice life.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
And who else? No one else but some funny people who aren't jugglers now.
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Sadie Dingfelder
You know what's interesting though, There are some. I'm trying to think of like a good pun. There's like, there is a little kernel of tooth truth in what the, what the muse are telling people though. That's kind of interesting. Our jaws have gotten much weaker in the last 200 years and, and gradually weaker since we started farming. And the reason is because, well, for the 200 year change, I mean, that is too small to be genetic, right?
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Mike Pesca
Yeah.
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Sadie Dingfelder
And it seems to be that it's.
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Mike Pesca
Like four or five generations, let's say.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah. So it's, it's because we do not breastfeed as long as we used to. And it's also pur food and really softer, like processed food. So we're not getting the exercise that we need in our jaws and our mouths. And when children are suckling, they actually are pushing their upward palate outward.
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Mike Pesca
Okay.
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Sadie Dingfelder
And your lower jaw tracks the growth of your upper jaw when you're a little.
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Mike Pesca
That's interesting.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
I question the breastfeeding explanation for a couple reasons. One, it was much less popular in the 70s and much more popular really kind of pushed upon you by the medical community now.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
So we should see over time or the kids who are, you know, somewhat between 5 and 25 should have remarkably stronger jaws than the people between 25 and 55. But I don't know if that's true.
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Sadie Dingfelder
I don't know if it's true.
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Mike Pesca
I haven't seen a bunch of square jaws walking around. I haven't seen a bunch of people where you could say, oh, look at that weak jaw. He must be older, millennial. I don't know that that's the case.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, but you know, we won't really know till they're dead and someone's collected their skulls, I guess.
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Mike Pesca
Well, you could look the whole. You look outward.
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Sadie Dingfelder
That's true. That's true. Yeah.
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Mike Pesca
And the other thing is there's only breastfeeding in the developing world. I mean, well, mostly breastfeeding in the developing world are people in sub Saharan Africa. Strong jawed.
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Sadie Dingfelder
People have not looked at that. But that would be a great question to look at for sure.
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Mike Pesca
A little dicey. I don't know. I'm going to sign it to the Reddit page. If not the jaw maxing Reddit page, then the Michael Sarah read a page. So this does seem like one of those things that if it worked, it would be pretty easy to have discernible evidence that it works.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Yeah, yeah.
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Mike Pesca
And it's not there.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Well, you know what I mean. And John, I mean when you're doing, you know, when John Mu did his twin studies, some of them look quite different from each other. But when you interview the twins, they're like, that was horrified. Like, that was very stressful. Like, I'm not glad I did it usually. Or at least that's what I saw in this one documentary.
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Mike Pesca
Yes. Thank you. Dr. Mungala tried a mangele thing with a mew. Thank you, Dr. Meng Mula. I don't know how that works.
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Sadie Dingfelder
And if you don't like your jawline, you just get the surgery that John Mulaney got.
- [25:51]
Mike Pesca
Oh, he got a jaw surgery.
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Sadie Dingfelder
I mean, I think so. I think everyone.
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Mike Pesca
Oh, you're one of these.
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Sadie Dingfelder
I mean you look at pictures, pull up some pictures. Like he definitely got jaw surgery. He looks like a different person.
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Mike Pesca
Interesting. Do you think that was, I don't know, in a cocaine fuel bender, he hit the curb with his jaw or. I don't, I think trying to jaw.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Max, you live in doesn't. If you live in la, I guess like after a while you just like start to feel like you have to do.
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Mike Pesca
Yeah, you're a surgeon. Surgeons. Oh, so there is surgery. If you don't want to just suck.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Absolutely. And it's so much more effective in that it is effective and it costs about the same.
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Mike Pesca
By more effective you mean actually effective Right, right. And it costs. Well, how much?
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Sadie Dingfelder
Well, in terms of. Not tongue yoga. No, the tongue yoga is free, of course, but if you were to try to become a patient of the muse, I think that you would get a better.
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Mike Pesca
I see.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Return.
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Mike Pesca
Oh, does jaw surgery have a special name? Oh, Gussie it up.
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Sadie Dingfelder
You know. You know what? I do not know that, but I'm sure that they. I'm sure there's names for it, but also I'm under. I believe that the celebrities get access to like facial things that the rest of us don't even know the names of yet. We won't know for a while.
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Mike Pesca
That's. I think the Scientologists hold sway over that. And they'll let you in if you reach like eighth level theses. And they'll like, here's our special jaws.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Because all the old ladies, all the older actresses are looking so snatched right now.
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Mike Pesca
Snatched. See, I don't. This is young people phrase. I know. Jaw maxing. I don't know snatched. Any other data, any other hard science that you need to tell us about the jaw maxing for us to be able to answer our question?
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Sadie Dingfelder
You know what? No one's done these studies, but it's mostly because these guys are definitely quacks.
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Mike Pesca
Okay, there you go. So this is going to be an easy one and a definitive one. Mewing, tongue, yoga, jaw maxing. You could do exercises to improve the shape and contours of your jaw. Is that bullshit?
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Sadie Dingfelder
Definitely, definitely bullshit.
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Mike Pesca
That is bullshit. Sadie Dingfelder. I know you were. I know you were. Everyone was in suspense. Hey, what, you going to rule after all of that discussion? Turns out it's bullshit. Very good. But you're providing a public service and I thank you. I enjoyed, I enjoyed joining with you in this. In this segment, City Dingfelder is the author of Do I know you? A Face Blind Reporter's Journey into the Science of Sight, Memory and Imagination. And also she places that bullshit with us. Thank you, Sadie.
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Sadie Dingfelder
Thank you.
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Mike Pesca
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Mike Pesca
And now the spiel not to depress or traumatize you, but you probably heard about the DOGE cuts. You know, the cuts at VOA and the OSHA and the DOE and Justice and the Agriculture Department. Also the targeting of the universities and their cancer research and their Alzheimer's research. Just all their research. Well, you know, maybe some of those will be reversed and maybe some of the money saved should have been saved like I do. Come back to the Institute of Peace. Was the Institute of Peace working? Where is the peace? I'm not saying there is no peace, but how do we know that it's really worked? Let's say it only worked half as good as it was supposed to work. How would the world be different? Michael Kinsley wrote a piece, no pun intended, an article for Vanity Fair nine years ago. Is the U.S. institute of Peace really making the world a better place? And I don't want to ruin the ending, but it's no. The answer is no. But even with perhaps one good Doge cut out there, they also have all the other administration hatcheting and bungling up and down the line. So what I am here to do is to add to your knowledge, and therefore the curse of knowledge. I'm here to tell you about a program that is so small, so seemingly insignificant in terms of its funding, it is hard to care about, set against the scope of budgetary carnage everywhere else. But it is also so small that you might ask, well, what's the harm? That is the wrong question, my friend. The correct rebuttal to what's the harm is what's the good? And I can tell you that it was doing a lot of good. The name of the program is the United States, or really was the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness Usage. Usage has an annual budget of you ready? $4 million, which is almost nothing. And mostly what usage does is as the name implies, it coordinates between the many government agencies that are supposed to do something about homelessness, the 19 federal agencies that are supposed to do something about homelessness. Without the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness, there would be a tremendous amount of confusion, redundancy and waste among these 19 other agencies. In fact, if you just re dubbed usage Doge Sitch, I think it might survive. It might very much appeal in terms of cutting down waste and abuse. Might appeal to the Doge hatchet men. There has been good progress from a federal level on a lot of homeless initiatives. It's not true in coastal cities, but in areas where the federal government plays a role, good things have been happening. For instance, homelessness among Veterans has decreased by over 50% since 2009. Now, I should tell you that usage believes in what is called the housing first approach, which is to say, if someone is homeless. I'm not going to say unhoused in this space. If someone is homeless, what we should try to do is give them a home. Donald Trump doesn't like that. He used to like that Ben Carson, his first HUD secretary, swore up and down and put out many reports about how housing first was the right approach. So Trump doesn't like it now, or at least the people who are running HUD these days don't. And I think that's silly. But fine, pursue something else, right? Something besides housing first. But whatever you pursue, you do want the numbers of the homeless to go down, and so you want an agency coordinating all the other agencies. True. Donald Trump or whoever is really looking at this because I doubt he even knew about the $4 million spent on usage. They probably don't like all the pro d I language. I found an old document, the Federal Strategic Plan to Prevent and End Homelessness. And among the foundational pillars of what they do, number one was lead with equity. I'm fine just leading with houses. But talking in such language was not just the trend at the time. It's what the homelessness advocates certainly believed. Here is the former head of this agency, Jeff Olivet, talking this talk in a video that was recorded before he actually became head of the agency.
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Jeff Olivet
And one myth is that people of color are more likely to be homeless because they're more likely to be poor. But even when you control for poverty rates, the disproportionate number of people of color in homelessness is much, much higher. And so that's one sort of myth to be blown up. Another other is that the same myth that we all fight against around homelessness is people make bad choices and therefore they're homeless. And, you know, we embrace a point of view that is much more structural than that, that people are homeless because of the structural forces stacked against them, up to and including institutional racism.
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Mike Pesca
Right. Which is. Okay, there are some actual statistics in there, but as an analysis, it's. It's out of favor with where the Trump administration is. But I say that's fine. When the emphasis was on talking about structural racism, a capable administrator could hit those notes, and then a capable administrator can stop hitting those notes, hit different notes when that's what's important to end homelessness. Effectively managing 19 federal organizations is possible without ever mentioning race. Someone could argue, you'll do A less good job, but you'll still do a better job than if you don't have that agency coordinating the 19 others. And Jeff Olivet is out. He left the day Trump was sworn in. It makes little sense to eliminate an agency with a budget of $4 million that has done these demonstrably good things. Olivet cited a Long Beach, California post pandemic initiative that was coordinated with usage which created three youth homeless shelters. One was government, two with private funds, this and some homelessness in Long beach. And two thirds of it wasn't even with taxpayer money. That is called a multiplier on government investment. And 4 million. I don't know if Donald Trump or especially Elon Musk actually understand how little $4 million is in this context of homelessness. Think of it this way. I'll read you a headline. February 2022 Associated Press. Los Angeles is spending up to 837,000 doll a single homeless person. We're talking about an entire federal agency the cost of which is equivalent to housing five homeless people in L A. And this agency provides housing for hundreds, maybe even thousands of homeless people. So this cut is just stupid. As are the current offerings. When you click on usage his website they put out newsletters or used to twice a month strategies, updates, some ideas for people stakeholders. I guess the equity people would like to say about how to combat homelessness seems very helpful. They also do the point in time reports which is how you tell exactly or close to exactly how many homeless people they are there are. And so you get these reports out to the public and other people in government. Is very useful statistic to have. Now that's gone. The useful data is gone. If you click on the old newsletters you are redirected to a splash page on the current HUD website and they're up top is this quote from current HUD secretary Scott Turner. Quote God blessed us with this great nation and together we can increase self sufficiency and empower Americans to climb the economic ladder toward a brighter future. Quote Secretary Scott Turner yeah, great God. Self sufficiency and $837,000 will get you a room in Los Angeles. And that's it for today's show. The GIST is produced by Cory Wara, CBSO Michelle Pesca. Kathleen Sykes is the editrix of the gist. Astro Green runs our social media OOM Peru, G Peru DO Peru and thanks for listening.