A (3:08)

Glenn Beck Program, the federal editor in chief and the author of Alito, Molly Hemingway. Molly, how are you?

B (3:15)

It's great to be here with you. I'm doing great.

A (3:18)

Yeah, great, great, great to have you. Boy, what, what perfect timing to have you on and to have your new book out. With what happened yesterday, you want to give us a quick look at what Alito said in his decision and the meaning behind the court decision yesterday?

B (3:36)

The Supreme Court has had to deal with all sorts of cases that are very frustrating for them, dealing with conflicting lower court opinions about how to enact the Voting Rights Act. Now, we know that the Constitution forbids racism, and so you're not allowed to draw racially based districts in your maps. But we also had a bunch of federal courts saying you had to be racist in your drawing of districts. And so there was a mess that needed to be settled. Alito wrote this masterful major opinion saying that the Constitution forbids racism. The Voting Rights act was not written and could not be written to oppose what the Constitution says. And so Section two, which some people had interpreted as requiring racist maps, that's clearly not the meaning that the, that the legislators who did the Voting Rights act intended. And the racism is ended. Now, the reason why this is interesting is because Democrats have exploited these federal rulings to create these very racial maps that have given them an undue advantage in certain states. And so ruling these congressional districts as unconstitutional and contrary to the Voting Rights act itself means that they're all going to be going away. And you saw states just yesterday saying, okay, we're going to get back into session so we can draw non racist maps.

A (5:07)

Help me out on gerrymandering. I mean, I know this comes from one of our founders and they were doing this right at the very beginning. I just think it is the worst. It's the worst idea of the republic and from the founding era. It's not part of our documents. But it was what. Eldridge. Gary. Gary. That actually. Yeah. That did this. What was the thinking back then and why can't we stop this? I mean, I think it, you know, I think it was Jefferson and Adams went back and forth and said we should have based it like on the Bible, where it stakes. Where you have 100 people, and when it gets over 100, then you divide that equally in half and you just keep making it into blocks. And it's the way to keep everybody. You know, keep your politicians in that block. They're not some. Some, you know, somebody that's from, you know, on a thin, snake like line across the state. They're in your neighborhood, they're in your area. What. Why is this still happening? Why can't we get rid of this?

B (6:14)

Well, you know, yesterday's ruling deals only with racial gerrymandering. That means you can still gerrymander. And I agree with you, Glenn. I think it's very bad for the Republicans. It's bad because it also divides. John Tillman is this guy who lives in Chicago, and he had this point about how when you create these gerrymandered districts that are overwhelmingly one particular interest group, it means that the other people who are in that group who are in that congressional district or a city or county district, they're not getting good representation. I think it's very radical. Very radical. But my idea is that we should just absolutely greatly expand the House of Representatives. The real problem is we don't really have any representation at all. Very hard to have a member of the House who is even close to representing his constituency because it's gotten so big. So I'd like to see almost like a thunderdome House of representatives where every 10,000 people gets their own representative. It would be messy, but I think you would have more representative government. The House is completely broken, so is the Senate. Part of that is that they're so detached from the people they're supposed to represent.

A (7:26)

Well, but gerrymandering actually is a reason for that. I just did a monologue in hour number one on why this is actually good. Because this. This ruling for. For blacks or anybody who is taken for granted. When you create a district where you know how it's going to vote, the politician doesn't have to work for your vote anymore. You know, so nobody listens to you. You wonder, why? Who's representing me? Why, how can they go 80% the population is 80% for, you know, ID, voter ID, and yet neither party wants to pass this. Who are they representing? Well, they're not representing you because Republicans know they can always count on your vote. Democrats know they can always count on the black vote. All they have to do is say a few things. You know, Orrin Hatch said to me one time and I was so disgusted by it, I just, I, it said everything I needed to know. It was about 2009. Tea party had just started and I'm sitting at a table with a bunch of politicians and Orrin Hatch is sitting there and he said, you don't have to worry about these, these people, meaning the Tea Party. You don't have to worry about these people. All I have to do is get up and I'm going to propose a flag burning amendment and they'll all be back on my side. And I was like, oh my gosh, I need a bucket to vomit in. It was disgusting. But that's the difference between being managed and being represented.

B (8:53)

Well, I think you're exactly right. And you saw yesterday, Democrats said if we're not allowed to be racist, it's going to hurt our power. And I understand that being racist in the drawing of maps has helped Democrats, but I don't think it's an unalloyed bad for Democrats or good for Republicans that these racist maps won't be allowed to stand because of what you just said. If you aren't allowed to divide people into these super safe districts based on race, you'll have people who have to represent their whole constituency. And I think you will see seats and more competitive seats is actually a good thing right now. It's like very few switch one way or the other.

A (9:35)

And also that's how you get radical representatives. I mean, look at the people that are representing people, the country or their district. You know, I understand it from San Francisco, I don't understand it from 70% of our representatives. They're radicals because they can play that because it's been gerrymandered so much. You don't have to play to the normal person. You play to the fringes.

B (10:03)

It makes it very hard to work across party lines. It just, it caused a lot of problems. I mean, some of those radicals are my favorite people.

A (10:14)

So let's talk about the book Alito that you just finished. You spent a lot of time with him. Let me start with a broad question. I, and I'm just a casual, I'm not like you, I'm a cat, more of a casual observer of you know, the Supreme Court and watching what they're doing. But my impression is, Molly, that this is the fairest Supreme Court we've had in my lifetime. Not that they agree with me on everything. They don't. But it seems as though they're trying to get it right and they make mistakes. They get, you know, they go one way or another. But this does not seem like a radical Supreme Court unless, you know, you're looking for the progressive Supreme Court that will just, you know, you know, interpret the law any way they want and forget about the Constitution.

B (11:07)

Yeah, I think that's why you're.

A (11:08)

Is that a fair. Go ahead.

B (11:10)

I agree. And the left has been freaking out about this court because for decades they controlled the Supreme Court. It wasn't like other, you know, it wasn't like the presidency, which went back and forth. They just had complete control and they had embraced this idea of rule of men. You know, you had people like Justice Brennan saying that he thinks that what he feels about the current moment is what's important, not what the Constitution meant at its founding.

A (11:34)

Right.

B (11:35)

You have this major movement take place where people say, this is just madness. They're just legislating from the bench. And for the first time in our country's history, we have a majority of justices who say that they want to adhere to the original meaning of the Constitution at the time it was framed. And they're doing really good, good work, logical, reasonable work to have a coherent philosophy.

A (12:02)

Make a case for the Democrat that's listening that actually they are fair. They've done some things that are good for you.

B (12:11)

Well, you can even look at the. You know, a lot of my book deals with the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and a lot of people on the left were very upset about that because they, they love abortion or they love this idea that abortion was hidden. You know, Roe v. Wade said abortion is, was hidden in the Constitution by the founders. It's in between a couple of. Nobody actually believes that, but they did like that it gave broad right to abortion. And when Justice Alito wrote the opinion that overturned that, the media and other left wing groups definitely freaked out about it. But it was actually a very modest opinion that returns power to the. It didn't say abortion is now forbidden or unborn children have a right to life. That's in the 14th Amendment. It said the people get to decide what their abortion policy is. You might not like that. You have to do that work of debating and hashing things out at your state or federal legislature. But it's a very modest opinion. And even here, this idea that you cannot be racist, that's in the Constitution. The 15th Amendment was, was passed precisely so that states would not be racist when it came to election law. And you might say, but I like this form of racism because it helps the Democrat Party. I think we all know deep down that racism is bad and that it's forbidden by the Constitution and that a piece of legislation could not overturn what the Constitution says.

C (13:43)

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A (13:50)

So here's the, here's the latest story. The Supreme Court strikes down institutional racism. That's the headline from our side. What is the headline from the other side? Do you happen to have that, Ricky? This is so funny. We, we're saying what I think is the truth. Institutionalized racism. This gerrymandering along race lines is, is racist. It is racist. But this is how they frame it. They're suggesting that black voters will be disenfranchised. Now, quoting from the Atlantic, the Roberts court is creating a world in which the federal government does not interfere with the right of white Americans to dominate those they see as their lessers. Okay? So on Wednesday, the court dealt with a key provision in the Voting Rights act of 1965, and they sided with Louisiana Republicans and Donald Trump blocking an electoral map that created a second majority black congressional district. Six, three decision. So this is not just, you know, party line, 6, 3 decision. The justices upheld a lower court ruling that found the map unconstitutional. Why? Because they were basing the gerrymandering on race. Now I'm gonna. Everybody can talk about this in any way that they want to and they're gonna, of course, you know, Chuck Schumer is like, man, Jim Crow. Jim Crow, Jim Crow. It's not Jim Crow. You know, why, why do people, why do people listen to these people? I mean this sincerely. Think, think. So let me get this right. So the people who were for slavery, they fought for slavery from the beginning of the republic. They were the ones who split apart and said, I don't want to be a part of the republic. If they have to tell. If they're going to tell us we can't have slaves. Then when they lost the war, they went in and they, they were four Jim Crow laws. They were the ones taking away. They started the clan that was actually. And I have the documents to prove it in our vault. They, they started the clan. It was, it was antifa really? That's what it was. It was an old timey antifa. Make you afraid, shut you up, okay? Stop you from doing anything. And the primary target was, was the black individual. But right alongside was anyone who said blacks can vote. Blacks are just like you and me. Anyone. If you were white and you said that you were strung up as well. Okay? That's just the fact. So they're the ones who started the Klan, then they were the ones, Woodrow Wilson, that brought all of race back into the government, segregated our government again. They were the ones with eugenics and saying that there are subspecies. They were the ones against the Civil Rights Act. They were the ones who marched against Martin Luther King. They were the ones who celebrated Martin Luther King's death. They were the ones that put in the Great Society which has destroyed the black family. And yet somehow or another, you're listening to them telling you what's best for your family, your race. First of all, government and people. We need to start looking at people as people. Not groups, not race, not by your income level or anything else. Stop. Look at people as individuals. I mean, I believe it was Martin Luther King's dream. By the way, this is the same party that says Martin Luther King wasn't all that. They celebrated and celebrated and celebrated until they started to expose who they really are. And now they're saying, yeah, Martin Luther King, he doesn't get it. So you're listening to them about Jim Crow laws and I, I can't. I kind of understand it because, I mean, they're the ones behind the Jim Crow laws, so they probably know it better than anybody else. Let me, let me tell you why. What the Supreme Court did is good for everyone and in particular the black community. And I would say this. If it was a, if the whole situation were reversed and it was all about whites, okay? When you look at our government, do you feel that you are fairly represented even by the people you just voted for? And I'll use this on me with Republicans, I don't think they're representing me. I don't think they're representing you. When 80% of the population says they're for voter ID and both parties are not listening, they're fighting against that. Who are they representing? Right? So you have to ask this question. Are you represented or are you being managed? Because those are not the same thing. Representation means a politician wakes up in the morning knowing they can lose you. It means your vote actually has teeth. It means if they don't deliver, if they drift, if they lie, if they forget about you. You pull the lever the other way and it's the end of their career. That's representation. Management is different. Management is when your vote is already accounted for. It's filed away, predicted before you even step in. Yeah, John. I'm not gonna lose John's vote. John's with me no matter what I do. Okay? You're no longer a citizen that they have to convince. If they don't have to convince you, they don't care about representing you. You're an asset that just needs to be maintained. And maintenance is cheap. The acquisition of that vote is hard. Maintenance is easy. You do a speech here, a headline there, maybe a program that is announced even if it doesn't work. Yeah, well, I did that program, okay? You don't have to solve problems when the outcome is already locked in. They don't even have to listen to you. You just have to keep the temperature from boiling over. That's all you have to do. And when you start to have problems because they're locked into you, to get away from your problems, all you have to do is go. You know what? It's these guys over here that are trying to convince you that I'm a bad guy. Don't listen to them. Jim Crow. Jim Crow. Jim Crow. Anytime any group of Americans or any citizens that are represented becomes predictable, then they stop being the focus of performance, actual action, and start being the focus of just messaging. That's it. If you are 90% locked in, you're managed. If you are 50, 50, you're represented. A politician only has to ask a simple. Just a few simple questions at election time. And this is all they ask. I can guarantee you this is it. Where's the risk? Where can I lose? Who can I gain? Where do I have to prove something? That's where all of the attention, the money and the focus goes. If you are loyal, he or she doesn't even think about you. Why should he? He's got other people that he's got to gain or not lose. You're locked in. And not because of who you vote for, but because of what that does to your power. What is the whole point of the Republic? It was. It was. It was not to be locked in on anything. It was to be listened to, to be represented. Listen to me. How many times have you said that in your life? I wish these people would just. How many times have you had a conversation? Guys, you and I know we could go to Washington. We could fix this damn thing. It's not that hard right Just listen to us. The founders did not design a system for permanent coalitions. But that's what the parties have created. They've. The founders designed one of constant tension. This is why George Washington said, stay away from the two party system. You got to get away from it. It'll be the death of the Republic for instability in just the right way. So no one could ever sit comfortably knowing. I got it. You're supposed to be unpredictable. You're supposed to be difficult, demanding. You are supposed to make them earn it every single time. But we traded. We traded that for identity and habit, which means nothing. Whole groups of Americans, left, right, doesn't matter why they're safe. Let me ask you this, Native Americans, who, who do you vote for? Usually guarantee. You vote for the Democrats, you vote for the liberals. Want to look at your situation. Do you think maybe something would change if you were like, you know what? I don't think I'm going to vote for you. What have you done for us? And you actually were taken seriously that you might vote another way. We become safe districts, safe voters, safe assumptions and safe politicians. That's when the shift happens. And the shift is from serving to managing. And when you are managed long enough, two things happen. One, you stop expecting results. And when that happens, you start measuring words instead of outcomes. What did they say? How many of us are sick and tired of. I've heard the speech. I don't care what they say anymore. I want to see it in action. We're going to hold these people responsible. Have they? The second thing that happens is you start defending the people who should be answering to you. Let me say that again. You start defending people who should be answering to you. Isn't that what's happening? Because this is how the world is turned upside down and inside out. Because you, the voter, have begun serving the politician and the party. The representation is gone. All of us are asking, they don't represent me. Who are they representing? The party. And you are defending it. And that all happened because they can count on your vote. So what should the goal be? Not about switching parties every cycle to prove a point. It's just restoring uncertainty, stability. You know, everything works best when there is predictable unpredictability. You don't want chaos, you want predictable unpredictability. So you have to make it clear, no matter who you are, no matter where you live, no matter your skin color, you can't count on my vote. That support has conditions. And one of the conditions is what are your actions? What are you actually doing for Me. You know, if you took a car, you bought a car, and you just loved. Say whatever. You just. You. You loved Chevy, and Chevy no longer cared about you. They were only about selling the next car to somebody else who isn't a Chevy driver. You went in for service, and they treated you like garbage. And when they fixed it, they never really fixed anything. And you were like, you know what, guys? Can you just fix this? I love your cars. Can you just fix this? Yep, we're gonna fix it. And then they never fix it. How long would you drive a Chevy? Why is it they have been giving you a crap box on wheels for a hundred years, slapping you and your family and everything you hold dear? Ever notice if you look at the actual moral backbone of the black community, they're conservative. They're fam. They're. They're probably more conservative in many ways, especially on God and family, than the average white conservative is. How does that fit? How does that fit? Because you're a Chevy driver, and you'll always drive a Chevy. The only thing that forces action in a political system is the risk of. Of losing. Risk. You want better schools, safer streets, an economy that actually works for you again. Then the politicians have to feel something they haven't felt in a long time. And I'm careful with this. Fear. Not fear of mobs, not fear of the street. Fear of losing you. Then they have to represent you. And until we get back to that, you're just going to confuse attention with results, management with leadership. And you will go on defending the people who are not representing you. And then you wonder why nothing ever really changes. This was a great thing for the Republic. This is the best of the Glenn beck program. Gavin McGuinness. How are you, sir?

C (27:45)

I'm fantastic. How are you doing?

A (27:46)

Great. Great to have you here looking. Looking sharp.

C (27:49)

Welcome to New York City.

A (27:50)

Yeah.

C (27:50)

Final days.

A (27:53)

In so many ways, I think that's probably accurate. Where do we even begin? Let's start with Jimmy Kimmel. Because you know Jimmy Kimmel.

C (28:03)

Yes.

A (28:04)

You were friends with Jimmy Kimmel. Are you still friends? Nope. No?

C (28:07)

No.

A (28:07)

Why?

C (28:08)

Well, I was telling you earlier, I think he's what I call a second marriage slave. And Howard Stern has it, too. You go through a divorce when you're rich, and it guts you. So the second wife, you go. This is lasting no matter what. If she wants to become Amish, I'm growing a long beard and shaving my mustache. And so these pretty girls, their pretty girl politics is always liberal woke crap. And they want to go to dinner parties with famous people. So I need you to be woke. And so stern. And Kimmel just went pure woke. Lost their edge. I mean, it's the exact same story twice. He was always a total jerk. In a good way. Like a menopause. Like, he would make his staff cry. He'd say, no one is. Like, he told me I was name dropping here. I was at Jennifer Aniston's house and I saw him there.

A (28:56)

Oh, me too. Never.

C (28:58)

I actually wet her guest bed. But that's another story. Okay, let's.

A (29:03)

You gotta. Excuse me. You gotta tell the ADD story now.

C (29:09)

Okay. That's a great story. So I. I see Kimmel, he's probably stoned. He was a big stoner back then. This is back when he was. Still had some meanness in him. And he. We have a mutual friend, one of his writers, Tony. And he goes. I said to them, I said, look, I'm sick of you not giving me stuff. You know what? It's Friday. No one's leaving until I get 10 decent jokes from each one of you. And then he goes, this is Kimmel talking. He goes. I go over to Tony's desk. He's crying. And then we both laugh our heads off at him for being such a keyword. A weak poo poo guy. That was Kimmel. I mean, I had dinner with him and Justin Theroux once. Wow, I'm really dropping the names all over the floor here.

A (29:47)

And.

C (29:47)

And I had a white motorcycle helmet. And when I wasn't looking, they. They wrote Hillary on the back of my helmet just to piss me off, which is funny. That's a good prank. I couldn't get it off. I had to use reflective tape to hide it. So that's the guy in his essence, you know, a sports dude, a jock, you know, the man show.

D (30:07)

Right?

C (30:08)

This guy is just a total wimp, crying all the time. The guy who made fun of crybabies is now a crybaby.

A (30:16)

And you think that's because he doesn't want to lose his job. He doesn't want. He wants to be the wife.

C (30:20)

He married a young pretty lady after his normal wife that gave him kids. And she's, you know, she's woke, so he's woke.

A (30:30)

And you. But you found the joke funny.

C (30:33)

So the joke. And the reason I'm. I'm dying on this hill is I don't want us to be. No, we gotta drop the pearl clutching.

A (30:40)

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you.

C (30:41)

You lose the youth if you lose. If you clutch the Pearls.

A (30:44)

Yeah.

C (30:44)

And if you don't have youth on your side, you're done. And we, the youth on our side right now, we've got the Red Scare hipster girls. We've, we've got, you know, Dime Square in New York City. It's cool to be conservative again for the first time since the 80s. So let's not blow this.

A (30:58)

Yeah, yeah.

C (30:59)

By freaking out over a joke. So the joke was way before the Correspondent's Dinner, and he always jokes about their age gap. And he said, you have the glow of an expectant widow because you're. How old's your husband? 85. He's going to die any second now, and it's cruel.

A (31:11)

So I didn't buy that. But I don't watch Kimmel, so I didn't. When he said, when he said it was an age thing, I thought, what a crock. Crap. But if he's joking about the age all the time, then maybe that's true.

C (31:23)

He is. We gotta take it on the chin. I mean, the beauty.

A (31:26)

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are there any standards when it comes to, like, I've never joked about a president being killed. Oh, yeah.

C (31:36)

Never do that.

A (31:37)

Yeah.

C (31:37)

No, no, no. It's not pro clutching to be mad at that comedian holding up Trump's head.

A (31:42)

Yes, yes.

C (31:43)

That's. That's not pearl clutching.

A (31:44)

Yes.

C (31:45)

It's not pro clutching. When they say when we go low, we kick them. It's not pro clutching this here Maxine Waters say harass them at the restaurants. It's not right. Proclution to hear Tim Kaine say we need fighting in the streets.

A (31:56)

Yes.

C (31:56)

Hillary asking why there's not fighting in the streets. That's beyond the pale that's calling for violence.

A (32:01)

Right.

C (32:02)

Which we never do.

A (32:03)

And pearl clutching is. That's a joke.

C (32:07)

Yeah. Not like, just when I first heard it. It was on the front page of the New York Post. I go, oh, he was at the correspondence dinner. Oh, he joked about an assassination right before an assassination.

A (32:16)

Right.

C (32:16)

I mean, that's what the left does. That's propaganda. They twist things. And I don't want to join that

A (32:21)

club, so I don't want to. You know, yesterday we had a big, long discussion about, you know, the FCC and Donald Trump getting involved. I understand why, as a human being, Melania would say what she said Trump would say as a human being. But I don't want the government involved in any of this. I want less federal government and especially from the fcc. But it's hard because, you know, I know had I said it and even meant age. If I were at Fox and I even meant age, and I said that about, let's say Joe Biden and Joe Biden, they would have fired me. They would have absolutely fired me. Yep, positively. But it seems like, you know, at ABC they fire everybody for everything, but not him, seemingly for anything. And I don't like mobs. I don't want to be calling for. I don't want to call for any of that stuff. And I don't want the government involved. But is there any standard for abc? Is it a double standard?

C (33:28)

Well, why don't we do that then? Let's embrace hypocrisy and be totally inconsistent. I want Jimmy Kimmel fired. I think that joke was funny. I know it wasn't about assassination. I still want him fired, which is totally hypocritical of me. And I'm happy to embrace. I've said that about him before, that I want free speech. Except for him. But the reason I'm saying this is because it's a war now. All's fair in love and war. So I could tell you that Jimmy Kimmel's joke was harmless and also say get him fired because I'm ruthless now. I'm an assassin and we have to start playing dirty. When they go low, we kick them. I'm Eric Holder now.

A (34:06)

So you're joking here.

C (34:08)

No.

A (34:08)

Right.

C (34:09)

No. Toby Young was talking about this Lord Young over in Britain. You should meet him when you're up there, by the way, he wrote that book how to Lose Friends and Influence People. He lived in New York for a while, noticed the schools were terrible. So he started a charter school on his own and it's a chain now. He has a free speech fund where if you're being arrested or persecuted or canceled for something, you said they will fund it. If you are part of this group, it's like a pot of money that you put into and then if you get sued. And he was talking about academia and he said, I started meddling. You know, we're starting to meddle in these colleges in a way that doesn't feel consistent to me with free speech. But he goes to fix post secondary education in Britain and America is a 200 year job. They're that far gone. So I need to be a brutal dictator to fix academia. It needs tyranny. I can't tell if you're joking or not. I'm not, I'm not. I mean, look at, look at.

A (35:14)

I don't want to become those things that I despise.

C (35:17)

Sorry. Try it on. It feels good. Who was it who said. I think it was Friedman there, the guy at the New York Times, the opinion columnist. And he said, can't we be China just for a year? And this is during Obama's. And then we can enact all of Obama's policies. I'm like, can't we be China just for a year so we can enact Trump's policies? No.

A (35:40)

You never come back from it.

C (35:43)

I'll try it. Give it a whirl. Give fascism a chance.

A (35:47)

I have to tell you, part of me, though, does agree with that. I feel that way. Intellectually, I'm not there, but I feel that way that it is so far gone that there are. You know, I have never. I am. Give me two more years and I am. Death penalty for parking tickets.

C (36:06)

Absolutely.

A (36:07)

I am just.

C (36:08)

You know, there is an African despot who hated flip flops so much that he would have his military at gunpoint make anyone wearing flip flops eat said flip flops. We need to bring that in for Crocs. We got to get the National Guard out there and. And Crocs are a universal problem. It's bad in the hood, but it's bad in the suburbs, too. And we got to get these kids eating. Their.

A (36:32)

Might be able. Might be a way to be. Get control of the hospitals and the doctors again, get them to eat their crocs.

C (36:38)

Someone's wearing PJ's gasoline on the PJ's match. I know it sounds bad, but it. You'll touch me a little bit. People will be wearing pants in no time.

A (36:49)

So I was. I was with Piers Morgan. Yar is on Piers Morgan show yesterday. And, you know, Piers and I don't agree on an awful lot, but I was on with him yesterday and he said, you know, I saw your tweet that you were standing shoulder to shoulder with Tommy Robinson. You're going over to his rally. And I said, yeah. And I said, I will tell you, Piers, I don't know who's speaking at the rally. And I can't judge. I can barely judge my own country. You know what I mean?

C (37:17)

Yeah.

A (37:17)

I can't judge all these people coming from all over Europe. And I'm concerned because in America, we understand individual liberty. You know, if you believe in the Bill of Rights of the Constitution, that's all about individual liberty. Nobody else has that. You know, nobody else has that. And so it can go fascistic or communist, easy. There. There are railroad tracks. One. The. The. The left is communist and the right is fascist. And they hope to play somewhere in between. In America, fascism and communism is on the left. Anarchy is on the right.

C (37:51)

Right.

A (37:51)

I mean, and you want to play between those railroad tracks. They don't get that. And he said, well, I gotta warn you, I don't think you know who Tommy Robinson is. And I said, I've spent some time with him. I mean, you know. You know, I'm not a detective. I haven't gone through his garbage, but he seems like a guy who admits that he has had, you know, he was a brawler when he was young, a street fighter, but seems pretty logical now and is following the breadcrumbs and warning about things that are real. And he said, yeah, he just keeps making about Islamists. And I'm like, well, yet seems like you have a problem with, you know, Islamists. Not, you know, not just people coming in from the country, but people who are coming into the country who, like Sharia law and are raping your children. That seems like a real deal. And he just doesn't see it at all.

C (38:44)

Tommy's from Luton. Luton is 60% Muslim. Tommy's cousin was raped by a Pakistani grooming gang. So he's in the eye of the storm. You got to understand about Britain. They are pre Thatcher now. They've reverted. There's no more middle class. There's the elites and the working class. Thatcher came along, privatized everything.

A (39:01)

Yeah.

C (39:01)

Destroyed the unions. It was. They went through some growing pains, but they finally had a middle class. They finally had entrepreneurs for decades, and now they've gone back and Peers is an elite. He's never been to Luton. He doesn't understand the working class. You know, he probably doesn't go to any football matches with. With these people. He's got his own little box. And they don't understand that the. The Muslim problem is within the working class. They're not in, you know, Cheddington. They're not in the. The. The West London.

A (39:32)

Yeah.

C (39:32)

They're not in South, South England. They're all in. Concentrated in Birmingham, in Rotherham, in Luton. And those towns are gone. Like, Ozzy Osbourne goes back to Birmingham and he said this on Steve Jones podcast. He goes, I didn't understand where I was walking around the long shirts. Birmingham's grown. And Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols was just like, yeah. Anyway, what team do you support? Because that's the third rail. Right?

A (39:59)

Right.

C (40:00)

So Tommy has these rallies where 3 million people show up, and they're all working class because they live with this problem, the problem of Islam, Sikhism is not a problem. In Britain, Hinduism is not a problem. These groups assimilate. The Quran clearly states, don't assimilate, convert, or die. So it's a controversial view I have, but, like, Tommy and I think that Islam is incompatible with the Western world. And when it gets more than 10%, yeah, you get problems. We're at one or two. We're doing okay for now, although Texas is not looking good and we lost Michigan. But in Britain, they've successfully taken over many areas, and they're calling for Sharia law. And that's what Tommy's about. Like, I did a podcast with the Economist yesterday in Britain, and she's like, don't you think that the problem with Tommy and what he's doing is that there's a stereotyping of people and there could be innocent, you know, Muslims who are falling into this category. And I'm like, you know what's inconvenient? Being sodomized by an old man when you're 11 years old. Like, there are thousands and thousands of child rapes where I'm not even sure I can say it on the show. What they do, like, nailing a girl's tongue into a piece of wood while she's being raped, raping her under the Pakistani flag, branding girls with an M for Muhammad. And the elite's takeaway at the Economist is, but what if we offend people? Children being raped is much more offensive than someone being inconvenienced. And if you're being inconvenienced, by the way, as a moderate Muslim, you should be mad at the jihadis for creating this pattern you're falling into. Yes, it's not my problem. Yes, you're listening to the Best of the Glenn Beck Podcast. Hear more of this interview and others with the full show podcast available wherever you get podcasts.

A (41:45)

Okay. If you ever feel like you're alone, imagine this. You're in New York City. You are a conservative, and you are on the New York City City council. There are 51 members. You're one of five Republicans. You're very alone. Vicki Palatino is. Palladino is with us. She is the New York City councilwoman who is in big trouble. They are. They're going after her and all kinds of things for speaking what I believe is the truth. And we want to get an update on what Mamdani looks like now and in the future from the New York perspective. Welcome, Vicky. How are you?

D (42:34)

Oh, good morning, Glenn. Thank you so very much for having me on it's. An honor. I mean, you go back a long time. I go back a long time with you. So it's really very. Thank you for having me on.

A (42:48)

You know, it's weird, Vicki, when I said years ago, you know, that communist and socialist and anarchists would, you know, come in with the Islamist work together to overthrow stability and the Western way of life and Western world. I never thought it would happen with the mayor of New York City. And I know you're in trouble for saying this, but I see him as the, the definition really of the red Green Alliance.

D (43:20)

100%. You were right then and you're right again today. What people don't realize is like you said, and it goes back decades, this has been decades in the making and they were laying all their groundwork. You know, Bridget Gabriel, when I first heard her speak, how to be back in2017, and I was just astonished, not just by her story, but her predictions and what we should expect here in America, you know, the takeover from within. So to expect the new mayor of New York City, a 34 year old who just became an American Citizen Only some 10 years, between seven and 10 years ago, secured a seat in our New York State assembly as a dsa. Now, we cannot categorize this young guy as a Democrat, though he ran and won on the Democratic line. What we've watched and witnessed throughout the country and here in New York is the Democrats sensible, what we'd like to refer to as sensible, though we're losing hope in that as well. Take a knee to the Democrat Socialist Party. And that's what we've done. And anybody who knows New York politics knows that we've had our fair share of bad mayors. But this is not about a mayor. No, this is about an inexperienced young man who won a state assembly seat who did nothing with that. And then the next thing you know, he's running for mayor of New York on the Democratic line. Hard to believe, however, the structure that was put behind this kid. In short, a win for him. Like we were scratching our heads through that primary in June and we knew by August that he had a really good chance of taking this race. He went about it very differently, Glenn. He hit a lot of very young people. He was very popular on TikTok. Everything was going to be for free. You know, he was bringing his father's and the way he was raised with his Marxist ideologies. His father teaches Marxism at Columbia University. He's a tenured professor. So take us back a summer or two. When we had the big eruptions of these university campuses and being taken over by the pro Palestinian movement. His father, along with Piker Hassan and the rest of them. Hassan, Piker. And he was part of this, this young man. And the writing was on the wall two years ago. But again, I think Glenn, trying to be reasonable people that we are and trying to think like this could never happen. Well, it did. And man, did it ever. So we are.

A (46:28)

Okay, So I want to. Let me. Let me break this up into two things, and I want to talk to you about both of them. One, holy cow. Just business. The guy has no business sense. The budget is out of control. He's promising free stuff. He's driving out the tax base. This is really bad. I want to talk to you quickly about, you know, where's that tax money going to come from when all the millionaires are gone and what this means. And then I also want to go back to the Islamic side. But first, let's just deal with his. What is coming for New York, business wise.

D (47:07)

First of all, we're watching gigantic companies leave our downtown, Wall street, midtown area. These are people who employ over 20,000 people. Some companies, we just watched Apollo Global leave the city of New York. Right now they're moving to Texas, into Florida. That company alone, just to put it on a scale here, is worth 900 billion. That's almost a trillion dollars. They're picking up and they're moving. Now what we have, that's just one of them. Word came down yesterday, something about Charles Schwab moving. Word also came down about Chase moving their main headquarters out of the city of New York. So what we have and what we're looking at here. Yeah, this serious business. And what is our leadership?

A (48:05)

Chase?

D (48:07)

Yeah. There no ship. So we have. We are looking down the barrel of a gun. He claims we're broke. Well, yeah, we're broke. But we also. You also are looking for a $15 billion bailout. You know, we budget by bailout here in New York City. And he's going hat in hand, much like a child, because that's how I treat him, you know, as a child. And he's going to his mom and dad, which is Governor Hochul, and ask her to please give us money and to extend the deadline of New York state's budget to May 12th. So here's. Here's how we could do. It's really very easy. Do not increase the budget to $127 billion. The budget has got so much fat in it because we pay every cost, everything that comes up with the illegal immigrants. Right. He wants to do state, city run grocery store. One grocery store ground up $30 million. We've got more not for profits in this budget that if he wanted to do the right thing. What you do is like what Rudy did. You cut spending, you lower corporate taxes, you give. You entice people to stay. So not only are they talking about increasing corporate taxes, he's also talking about raising our property taxes by 9.5%, which my speaker. Know this insane. We cannot say which. Which my speaker says is off the table. Which means it's not off the table. It means we got to figure a workaround. Nothing here, okay? Nothing, nothing. Nothing here is going to make the middle class day. You know, he's right about one thing. He's right that this is a structural problem. No question about it. And it requires a structural solution. However, he's going about it completely backwards. This is where his inexperience comes in. He's 34. Glenn never held a job in his life. His parents born in Uganda. His parents are his mother. Multimillionaire. Time and again, over and over again. And we've got ourselves really, really. We're not gonna tax our way to prosperity. We're just not gonna do it.

A (50:40)

I will tell you. I am. I'm so sick of these politicians who say they care about, you know, the country or the city. And then yesterday, when the king came in, he immediately went to, you need to return the crown jewel to India. What the hell does the mayor of New York care about, right? I mean, it just shows where his focus is.

D (51:03)

No, he's arrogant. He's arrogant. He thinks he's mayor. And this young guy with an ego bigger than the sun, he thinks who the hell he is. And this is where he really needs to get knocked down a peg or two. And I posted about that today myself about, like, how dare you? You are the court jester, Zoran. You are not the mayor. And as mayor, what nerve do you have to ask the king of England for some crown jewel? Shut up. Just shut up. You're doing it all wrong. I love you.

A (51:43)

Oh, I don't know how we have not become friends. Listen, let me. Let me switch. Let me switch topics. I've only got a couple of minutes left. You have. You have been charged by the city council for disorderly conduct because you made a post about him, you know, and the Islamist nature of him.

D (52:05)

And the backers take over the Islamic takeover of New York City. Okay, so what did you.

A (52:11)

What did you say exactly?

D (52:13)

You know, What? I don't even remember. It was. The first thing was the first tweet. I could tell you this because I never take tweets down. I did, okay? And I said, I swear to God, I'll never do this again. It was right after the Australia shooting. And I put up a tweet about that. I believe that a lot of these radicalized Islamic Islamics need to be deported and the or denaturalized and that the federal government should come up with some sort of structure where we could monitor what the hell they're doing. Okay, that was one tweet. They asked me to take that tweet down, not him. My speaker asked me to take that tweet down, and I did. Then it got worse from there. So they decided to badmouth me in front of the entire New York City press corps. And that wasn't going to sit well with me. So what I did was I have. I have a lot of very good people, Glenn. And you know what? Let's be real. There's more than there is bad. But we just need to. We just need to find the good people, need to speak up. So I did, along with my attorney, we filed a lawsuit, which I really can't talk much more than that about the process right now of trying to work out some reasonable negotiation here that both sides could live on, live with, you know what I'm saying? So that's where I am right now. And as soon as I know more and hopefully, you know, we can find the middle ground that we're seeking. I, you know, I'm in city council now for the next four years, and these are my colleagues in council, and they know me as Vicki Paladino, the human being. And they know that I have a good heart. And they know how I, how I am in my district and now all over the city, how much I give a damn about others and solving problems. And we're in the business in the city council of solving problems. So by working together with my council, I hope we could put the past behind us and move forward and be constructive, try to work things out. Yes, sir.

A (54:44)

I have to tell you, if you don't mind, I'd love to have you back on from time to time, because

C (54:49)

I just love you.

A (54:51)

New York City Council, probably one of the highest profile Republicans in the city. She has held office for five years now. She has won reelection twice by 20 point margins in her Democrat plus 8 district in Queens. And maybe you can understand why. She is a fighter. She's a New Yorker. Vicki thank you so much. God bless you.

D (55:18)

Thank you, Glenn, for having me on. It was an absolute pleasure. Have a great day.

A (55:22)

Thank you. You too. Vicki Palladino. You can find her, you know, follow her on X on Vicky for ny.