Best of the Program | Guest: Annie Jacobsen | 7/29/26

Summary

The Glenn Beck Program

Best of the Program | Guest: Annie Jacobsen | 7/29/26
Date: July 29, 2026
Main Theme:
Critical analysis of government transparency during the COVID era, the chilling reality of biological warfare as detailed in Annie Jacobsen’s new book, and a deep dive into the implications of mass surveillance via Flock cameras.

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Episode Overview

This episode is a mosaic of high-stakes topics: Glenn Beck opens with incisive commentary on the Anthony Fauci hearings and perceived media bias; welcomes investigative journalist Annie Jacobsen for a harrowing discussion about her new book on biological warfare; and closes with a thorough exploration of Flock surveillance cameras and their impact on privacy and civil rights. Throughout, Beck’s tone is candid and urgent, capturing both his concerns about government accountability and his admiration for Jacobsen’s meticulous work.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Fauci Hearings, COVID Origins & the Erosion of Public Trust

[00:00 – 19:54]

• Media Framing of Fauci Hearings: Beck anticipates mainstream media portraying Fauci as a victim of a "hatchet job" led by political adversaries like Rand Paul.
  — "I guarantee you what you're going to see is the mainstream media is going to make this all about Rand Paul wanting to get this sweet old man who did nothing wrong..." – Glenn Beck [00:00]

• Fauci’s Personal Health & Concealment: Beck discusses Fauci’s diaries, revealing that Fauci suffered a pulmonary infarct after getting the COVID vaccine, an event not publicly disclosed at the time.
  — "A man telling 300 million Americans that adverse events were vanishingly rare had an event in his own lung and got quietly treated... Didn't disclose it." – Glenn Beck [04:56]

• Transparency & Character: Beck frames transparency not as a medical question, but a character issue.
  — "That's not a medical question. That's a character question." – Glenn Beck [05:37]

• Timeline of COVID Knowledge: Beck alleges evidence of Fauci and peers knowing far earlier than public record indicates about the lab-linked origins of COVID, based on Fauci diaries.
  — "On January 26, 2020 ... five weeks before the WHO would use the word pandemic ... the first infection was in early December and was not connected to the wet market." – Glenn Beck [06:47]

• Gain-of-Function Research & Legal Definitions: Beck suggests deliberate redefinition of terms by Fauci and implicates a pattern of bureaucratic cover-ups.
  — "I believe that Anthony Fauci approved gain of function research ... he redefined it in front of Congress, he went back and they changed it on the NIH website..." – Glenn Beck [07:29]

• Grand Jury Indictments & Ongoing Questions: Discussion of Dr. David Morens (Fauci aide) indicted for conspiracy and record destruction, with direct connections to EcoHealth Alliance and Wuhan.
  — "The question that I just can't get past is if there's nothing there, what were they hiding?" – Glenn Beck [08:55]

• Historical Parallels & Accountability: Beck draws sobering parallels to past atrocities (e.g., Armenian Genocide, Holocaust) and underlines the necessity for accountability to avoid darker futures.
  — "If you don't correct this, if somebody doesn't pay, the next guy who is just as arrogant goes, well, Fauci got away with it." – Glenn Beck [12:43]

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Annie Jacobsen Interview: The Terrifying Reality of Biological Warfare

[20:02 – 37:57]

Introducing Annie Jacobsen

[20:02 – 20:06]

• Beck lauds Jacobsen’s integrity, depth of research, and storytelling skill.
• Her new book, Biological: A Scenario, is described as "absolutely terrifying" and profoundly important.

Motivation Behind the Book

[20:06 – 20:59]

• Jacobsen writes as a national security reporter focused on war and weapons, transitioning from historical analysis to cautionary, plausible future scenarios.
• She frames the book as a "cautionary tale" intended to wake people up, not merely frighten them.

COVID, Accountability, and Public Trust

[21:35 – 23:26]

• Jacobsen decided not to include COVID specifically, allowing readers to draw their own parallels and conclusions.
• Both Beck and Jacobsen lament the loss of public trust:
  — "The trust is gone. ... They don't trust the science because they couldn't admit any mistakes." – Glenn Beck [22:29]
  — "Whatever you say about the lab leak...you absolutely know now that public health officials were not being honest...That doesn't work in my family. It shouldn't work in the government." – Annie Jacobsen [24:37]

Genetically Modified Pathogens: Real Risks

[23:26 – 27:03]

• Jacobsen warns that unlike COVID’s 1% case fatality rate, some engineered pathogens in military labs are designed for 100% lethality.
• Defense plans for bioweapon incidents treat accidental lab leaks with the same seriousness as deliberate attacks. — "A lab leak 100% is as deadly as an attack because the pathogen, if it's airborne, the weapon system is the human lung set." – Annie Jacobsen [25:38]

The Scope and Scale of Biolabs

[27:03 – 28:02]

• 110 BSL-4 labs (highest containment) and 3,500+ BSL-3 labs operate globally.
• Risks of accident or misuse are significant and growing.

Existential Threats

[28:02 – 30:14]

• Jacobsen echoes Nick Bostrom’s warnings: just as AI might be civilization’s "last invention," engineered pathogens could be humanity’s last as well.

Beck and Jacobsen: What Can Be Done?

[30:14 – 31:37]

• Knowledge is power; facing terrifying scenarios is necessary to deal with them responsibly. — "You can't fix what you can't face. Because what it also means is you can fix what you're willing to face." – Annie Jacobsen [30:39]

Jacobsen's Scenario: Outbreak to Dystopia

[31:43 – 33:45]

• Fictional-but-researched scenario: Outbreak at a Russian BSL-4 lab; pathogen quickly spreads globally via travelers.
• Government response is bureaucratic chaos—too slow, not streamlined.
• By the time the pathogen is identified (a genetically modified pneumonic plague), it’s too late. — "It's spread. And once it's spread, it's too late." – Annie Jacobsen [32:11]

Pathogen Characteristics & Government Devolution

[33:51 – 35:17]

• Modern bioweapons can evade antibiotics and vaccines, leaving no effective cure and causing mass death and societal breakdown.
• Jacobsen describes the U.S. government's classified continuity plans ("devolution"), in which officials decamp to secret bunkers.

Soviet Bioweapons and the Darkness Within

[35:54 – 37:11]

• Jacobsen reveals—via interviews with former Soviet scientists and their CIA handlers—that Soviet bioweapons research included genetically engineering pathogens to cause euphoria (making infected people more likely to spread disease because they feel good and socialize). — "If you're really sick, you go home ... But … if we inject euphoria into the pathogen, people will go out and socialize ... and they will infect other. That's dark." – Annie Jacobsen [36:14]

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Flock Cameras: Surveillance, Safety, and Civil Liberties

[37:57 – ~end]

The Good Side of Flock Cameras

• Flock cameras (networked automated license plate readers) have aided in solving cases, locating stolen vehicles, and finding missing persons.
• Beck details scenarios where having this surveillance would have helped save lives, adding:
  — "It works, and nobody serious should say otherwise." – Glenn Beck [39:12]

The Dark Side: Privacy and Abuse

• Flock reads every plate—even absent any suspected crime.
• Modern systems log vehicle characteristics and even faces, storing data for weeks, forming a searchable digital dragnet.
• Reports of documented abuses:
  — Police officers have misused systems for personal gain (tracking women, running immigration searches, hunting for people by shirt or tattoo). — False positives led to innocent drivers being pulled over at gunpoint.

Government Response & Legal Vacuum

• Cities nationwide—Syracuse, Denver, Los Angeles—have started canceling Flock contracts due to privacy concerns, but vendors swap in as contracts expire, often with little change to the surveillance itself.
• Security experts warn the key flaw is not the vendor, but the lack of law:
  — "The problem is not the company. The problem is there is no rule." – Glenn Beck [44:46]
• Beck parallels the system to Project Shamrock: the Cold War program where government collected all US-bound telegrams for decades without oversight.

The Constitutional Angle

• Beck invokes the Fourth Amendment:
  — "Number four protects your right. You gotta have a warrant. ... There is no warrant. These flock cameras have no warrant." – Glenn Beck [45:27]

What to Do About Mass Surveillance

• While some respond by vandalizing cameras, Beck strongly discourages law-breaking, advocating for legal and legislative solutions instead.
• Cites ongoing efforts in several cities and bills in Congress to curtail government access and funding for such surveillance.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Fauci’s Accountability
  “If you don't correct this, if somebody doesn't pay, the next guy who is just as arrogant goes, well, Fauci got away with it.” – Glenn Beck [12:43]

• On Biological Weapons and Human Error
  “A lab leak 100% is as deadly as an attack because the pathogen, if it's airborne, the weapon system is the human lung set.” – Annie Jacobsen [25:38]

• On the Ethics of Transparency
  “Whatever you say about the lab leak...you absolutely know now that public health officials were not being honest...That doesn't work in my family. It shouldn't work in the government.” – Annie Jacobsen [24:37]

• On Realistic Dystopia
  “I tell readers right in the beginning ... this ends in dystopia. Why do you give away the ending?” – Glenn Beck
  “That's the only ending, Glenn.” – Annie Jacobsen [30:14]

• On Civil Liberties vs. Surveillance
  “A camera that photographs every single car that passes is a warrant with no name on it.” – Glenn Beck [46:16]

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Highlight | Timestamp | |-----------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Fauci Diaries & Hearings | Beck details Fauci's concealed health event & media framing | 02:16–08:55 | | Historical Parallels | Government accountability and echoes of past atrocities | 12:43–14:02 | | Annie Jacobsen Intro | Beck on Jacobsen's approach | 19:54–20:27 | | Book's Motivation | Jacobsen on transition from history to scenarios | 20:27–20:59 | | Trust and Accountability | Discussion of COVID, trust loss, honesty | 22:29–24:59 | | Pathogen Risk | Jacobsen on 100% lethal engineered germs | 23:26–27:03 | | Existential Threats | AI, bioengineering as "last invention" | 28:02–30:14 | | Outbreak Scenario | Jacobsen details book's doomsday scenario | 31:43–33:45 | | Soviet Bio Programs | Pathogens engineered for "euphoria" and spread | 35:57–37:11 | | Flock Cameras Intro | Beck introduces pros and cons of Flock surveillance | 37:57–39:12 | | Constitutional Conflict | Privacy, the Fourth Amendment, and historical precedent | 44:46–46:16 |

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Conclusion

This episode weaves together meticulous investigative journalism and urgent social commentary, uniting concerns about institutional accountability (from COVID policymaking to biosecurity) with the mounting risks posed by technological overreach in law enforcement. Glenn Beck’s unflinching tone and Annie Jacobsen’s chilling expertise combine for an episode that’s as thought-provoking as it is sobering. Whether discussing the opaque corridors of pandemic management or the very real—and insidious—threats of bioengineered warfare, the message is clear: Information, vigilance, and accountability are the only answers to crises both visible and unseen.

Transcript

[Glenn Beck]

The Fauci hearings today. Oh, I plead the fifth. Who didn't see that one coming. I guarantee you what you're going to see is the mainstream media is going to make this all about Rand Paul wanting to get this sweet old man who did nothing wrong, how he kicked his attorney out. He had six of them, by the way. And this is just nothing but a hatchet job. That's, that's what the mainstream media is going to say. And meanwhile, Annie Jacobson was on discussing her new book about biological warfare and Covid and why it's so important to get this right because her new book that came out yesterday is absolutely terrifying. Wait until you hear what is truly going on all over the world with biological warfare and, you know, gene splicing. It's great fun. Also, I take on flock cameras. If you don't know what flock cameras are, you will by the end of the monologue and I think you'll probably have an opinion one way or another. You will have an opinion on whether flock cameras are good or bad. A story you need to pay attention to. All on today's podcast. One of the biggest mistakes people make in politics is thinking that the election is the finish line. And it isn't. It's the starting gun. The hard part comes afterward because winning an election doesn't actually automatically fix a culture. It doesn't protect your rights. It's what does that is people staying involved and engaged. People who understand that freedom isn't a trophy you put on the shelf. It's a responsibility that you have to maintain. And that's what I love about Patriot Mobile. Yes, they provide excellent, excellent wireless service on all three major networks. So you can keep your phone, keep your number, get all the features you expect from a modern carrier, but what makes them different is they understand that the fight doesn't end on election day. As America's only Christian conservative wireless provider, they put their business behind the causes that defend faith, family and freedom and our God given rights. Supporting organizations that are doing that work day in and day out. Go to patriotmobile.com beck or call 972 Patriot. Use the promo code BECK. Get a free month of service. It's patriotmobile.com beck or Call 972 Patriot. Make the switch. Today.

[Annie Jacobson]

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

[Glenn Beck]

So it's June 19, 2021. Anthony Fauci gets a phone call from a radiologist at Sibley Hospital in Washington. Now, we know this from the diaries. How did we get the diaries? Rand Paul released his private diaries. No, no. Anthony Fauci was dumb enough to write his diaries on public servers. He wrote them on government servers. Those are now government property. It was JF or RFK Jr that found them on the surge on the servers. And he released them to Rand Paul. Rand Paul then said, well, they're public, so release them all. We find this out, this. This little piece. We find out now, this week that he goes to the hospital in Washington. He goes in for a scan because he said he's never felt pain like this before. He has pain in his chest. He's worried maybe it's a heart attack. Now, he had just gotten publicly his. His shot from. For the coronavirus. Okay, he gets his shot. That's definitely gonna stop it from. You're never gonna have to worry about it again. Anyway, so the radiologist does something because he's Anthony Fauci that he no radiologist would ever do. You ask the radiologist, what do you see? The radiologist always says nothing because he's not a doctor. He's a radio. Nothing. Nothing. I don't. I don't know. You have to talk to your doctor. The doctor will give you that. Okay. So the radiologist looks at it and he says, there's a lesion in your lower lobe. And I think it's cancer. So he writes in his diary that he felt like he was hit by a Mack truck. Turns out it wasn't cancer. What was it? A pulmonologist. Reread the film. What Fauci had was a pulmonary infarct. Wait, what. What is that? What is that? Piece of lung tissue that died because a clot cut off his blood supply. Wow. Now wait a minute. Hang on. At that moment, he's the most visible advocate for the COVID vaccine on the planet. He had taken his first dose on live television, and then he has this pulmonary infarct and doesn't say anything. Now, the diary doesn't say the vaccine caused the clot. Fauci never wrote that. Robert Kennedy and Dr. Peter McCullough made this connection this week on the basis of timing and the fact that clotting events appear on federal list of rare adverse effects. But the CDC does not list a pulmonary infarction among the common side effects of MRNA vaccines. And also, just to be fair, Anthony Fauci is 80. In June of 2021, 80 year old men, they throw clots. If you tried to prove causation in a courtroom on that evidence, you'd lose, and you'd probably deserve to lose. So I'm not saying it is caused by the COVID vaccine. What I am telling you is what's left standing there. A man telling 300 million Americans that adverse events were vanishingly rare, had an event in his own lung and got quietly treated by some of the best physicians in the country. Didn't disclose it. Not to the press, not to the parents he was asking to vaccinate their 12 year olds. He wrote it down in a private notebook and kept walking to the podium telling everybody, including 80 year olds, you gotta get this. That's not a medical question. That's a character question. And the rest of the diary answers all of those questions. In May of 2020, he writes he's the most famous and talked about person in the country. And there are pages and pages about the actors and the comedians. There's an entry about a phone call from Barbra Streisand. There are entries where he calls Rand Paul stupid for asking about the NIH royalty payments, which we proved. We proved in our special. What was the name of the special? The Coverup. Covid Coverup? Yeah, I think so. It's available right now@glenn beck.com, you should go back and watch it. We proved those payment. We showed you the payments were going to the Federal Reserve. Why? What. What was happening? We made a partnership before the corona virus. Um, and then he.

[Annie Jacobson]

He.

[Glenn Beck]

He writes in his diary In 2022, after the midterms, he says, wow, good thing the midterms turn out this way. Paul's not gonna be able to haul me into hearings anymore. And then something else. On January 26, 2020 five weeks before the World Health Organization would use the word pandemic, f that the first infection was in early December and was not connected to the wet market. Now, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Did you know that? Because I didn't know that. I knew that was true. That it was true. Not connected to the wet market. Because we showed you in our special. We showed you what was happening and that Fauci knew what was happening in that lab. And in December, really, I think it started in September, didn't it, Jason? It was September, October. But it really started to show first signs of this is deadly in late November, early December. Okay. Then he goes on to say that the wet market was the amplifier. Well, why would it be the amplifier if it's not the source? What wet is the source? And how is the wet market? Well, the Wuhan lab is right there by the wet market. So that would make sense. If it came from the lab. But go find publicly what he was saying that spring. None of this. Okay, so let me tell you exactly what I believe, and let me be precise about the word believe, because I can't prove it in court. This is not a courtroom. We have the documents. I've made a very powerful argument. I think if I was in a courtroom, I would win. But that's not way our system works. Okay. I believe that Anthony Fauci approved gain of function research, and he knows exactly how that is defined. He once he redefined it in front of Congress, he went back and they changed it on the NIH website to fit his description of what gain of function is. I believe he did it because he's arrogant enough to conclude the work was too important for the law to stop him. And he found a way to route the money and let him say later that it. It wasn't technically what everybody knows it exactly was. Wuhan was sloppy. Something went wrong in the fall of 2019. People started getting sick shortly after. And I believe it was the COVID up that followed. That's not a theory. The COVID the COVID up is documented. The last part is an opinion. In April, a federal grand jury indicted Dr. David Morens, that's Fauci's closest aide for nearly two decades, on five counts including conspiracy and destruction of federal records. The indictment describes Morens moving conversations off government email specifically to defeat the Freedom of Information request. It names Peter Dasak of Eco Health alliance, the outfit that passed NIH money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. It lists them as a. As a co conspirator, along with another guy from Boston University. 51 years of theoretical exposure. That case is live right now. And the question that I just can't get past is if there's nothing there, what were they hiding? You don't route correspondence through Gmail to protect science. You don't shred documents. As it was pointed out. Again today, Anthony Fauci, his assistant, is on record shredding documents. Why would you do that? You don't do that unless you're trying to assure that a grantee, their name doesn't turn up in a FOIA production. To protect science or to protect yourself. Okay, that's exactly what was going on. And I'll tell you where the case is thin. There is no proven link between the coronavirus work at the lab and the outbreak. There are really credible opinions, including that the CIA briefed Fauci early on, saying it came from the lab, and then he never said Anything about it, including the fact that he early on said it came from the lab. Everybody on his team, there was 13 people in the room. Everybody except two said it came from the lab. We always heard it was the opposite. It was just a minority. No, the majority of everybody said it came from the lab. And then he and Peter Dasak went to work. People started getting grants when they suddenly came out and said no, it didn't come from the lab. And most of the fight over is gain of function. And that's just about a definition at this point. Okay, does this experiment meet the exact federal language? That definitional gap is exactly how he has survived eight rounds of this. The diaries strengthen the conduct of his case enormously, enormously. But they don't close the Origins case. And if I didn't tell you this, you should know that I would be selling you something. It doesn't, but it's a strong case. So I think this morning he's listening to his lawyers, his six lawyers let him know you could either just repeat exactly what you said before, but there might be able to get you into lying, which would put you in prison because they now have the evidence that what you said was a lie. So you really have one move left. Well, two. You could say I don't remember, I don't recall and look like an old man that just doesn't remember anymore. And you could be remembered for that or, or you could look defiant and you could make this whole case look like there, that this Rand Paul is just after me and I'm just this simple public servant and he's after me. And we'll stage a little thing at the very beginning where he's going to force me to get out because I've already been told I can't sit at the table with you. That's not the way this works. Blah blah, blah. And so he'll force me out and that'll only make it stronger. I can guarantee you that's what he, that's what he took. He took the one move to look like the V the victim and plead the Fifth. And John Yoo laid this out. It's almost arithmetic the way this works. A pardon covers what he said and did before it was signed. A knowing false statement under oath today is a brand new federal crime. And the auto pin can't reach that one. Every time he pleads the fifth, however, remember, he says it with a thousand pages of his own handwriting sitting on the table right in front of him. A man who never expected anyone to read it, wrote down who he actually was and what he was really doing. And for the first time today, he was asked to sit in a room where we all know exactly who he is. It's a sad day for the Republic because you don't. You don't have an honest search for truth on the other side. The facts are so clear on this. And what you have is, you have big state. It's not Democrats. It's big state. Anybody who is for the big state, anybody who is like, look, we're going to have to do things that we have to do. And, you know, if things get tough, we have to have all of the tools in our hands. We have to be able to say, you're not doing that or you go to jail. You have to do this. You have to take this vaccine or you're going to be a pariah. We have to be able to say to the media, no, you do these things. If they start pulling on this thread, you're going to see all of the crimes that were committed, at least crimes against your rights, crimes against the Bill of Rights. And the media is not covering any of this because they were cohorts in it. They were just as responsible. It's a sad day for the Republic because if you don't correct this, if somebody doesn't pay, the next guy who is just as arrogant goes, well, Fauci got away with it. Do you know why? Hitler knew he could get away with exterminating the Jews. Turkey. Oh, Turkey, Turkey. The Turks went in and they rounded up and they slaughtered all of the Armenians. Just slaughtered them. And the world said nothing. And Hitler said at the time, the world doesn't care if you slaughter the right people. The world doesn't care. He knew then I could get rid of the Jews. If the world would have cared about the Armenians, maybe Hitler would have known. They'll care about the Jews, too. That's the point of this hearing. This is not about get him. It's not about any of that. It's about making sure this can't happen again. And you don't set a precedent for somebody who is even crazier than Anthony Fauci. No, when the president says you're not doing it, you're not doing it. And when it happens, you better tell the truth. I wouldn't have had a problem without Fauci. I would have had a problem to some degree, but not like I do now. If he would have said, yeah, I did this, I thought it was the right thing. They were a sloppy deal. And, yeah, I. I I am responsible. Not entirely, but I have to admit I played a role. I would have actually had. I actually would have had compassion for him. He still should have paid a price, but I would have had compassion for him. I despise this man. Now. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. One of my favorite writers investigators is Annie Jacobson. I have so much respect for what she does. She does years of research on something, goes deeper than anybody I know, and lets the chip fall, fall where they may. And then she can. And she. She's just an absolute pro at telling a great story. So the way she talks about it, after she's done all her investigation, she knows how to capture your attention and tell a great story. She just did a Scenario, a Nuclear War, that was her last bestseller. And it was. Holy cow, was that good. Especially if you listen to her. She has such a beautiful voice and she's so dry and calm that when she's talking about things that are horrifying in such an almost detached sort of way, it makes it even more disturbing, but you can get through it. I started listening to her, her new book, Biological War, yesterday. I'm about halfway through it. And it is. I mean, it's riveting. And I knew it was going to be terrifying when, you know, back in the 90s, there was a guy who ran the Soviet biological warfare department, and he was terrifying. And I did an interview with him. He wrote a book, I can't remember what it was called, and his name is Ken Albeck or something like that. And he defected and he wrote a book about what the difference is between Russia and the United States and what he had experienced in Russia where they were looking to kill people in these horrible experiments that they did. She went even further on this because she was quoting him and went even further than. Than he went. And then she gets into a horrifying scenario of what a real outbreak looks like. This is so important today because Fauci today is pleading the fifth. And think what you want about COVID and the masks and everything else we know because we have the evidence now that there was at least a cover up. There's no real, solid, absolute proof that it came from the Wuhan lab. But I think the evidence is so strong that it's at least the most likely scenario. And the fact that we may have been involved in that. What else are we doing? What else is the United States or other countries working on? How bad are these labs? This just seems like we're on a suicidal path and no one's going to pay a price for what just happened. And more importantly, we're never really going to know the truth about what happened. Annie Jacobson joins me in 60 seconds. First, I'm paying the commercial rate for this one. It's my company, realestateagentsitrust.com so I'm just going to leave it at that. Go to real estate agentsitrust.com find somebody to buy or sell your home right now. Real estate agents I trust. Dot com. Okay, Annie, welcome to the program.

[Annie Jacobson]

Thank you so much for having me. And thank you for that lovely introduction.

[Glenn Beck]

Terrifying. Why do you do this? How did you, how did you come. I was, I was listening to the book last night and I'm like, what part of you makes you look for the darkest, most terrifying things and then expose them? Is this, what, is this what you planned on doing with your life at some point? Why did you choose this?

[Annie Jacobson]

I'm a national security reporter who writes about war and weapons, and my first six were written in the past tense. And these two books, Nuclear War Scenario and Biological War Scenario, look at the future based on hypothetical Pentagon war games. And yes, they are terrifying. But, you know, I say that right in the author's note. In the beginning, it ends in dystopia, but at the same time, you can look at the book as a cautionary tale.

[Glenn Beck]

So here's the problem. You know, I was just talking about Fauci and, and pleading the fifth. I really would like to see the guy go to jail if the evidence could be proven in the court of law. However, I just want the truth. And, and we have to have standards because if something, if we were involved in something, mistakes were made, we have to know those things. People have to pay a price or the next time it will just be worse. What are your thoughts on, on this? And did this play a role, did Covid play a role in you writing this book at all?

[Annie Jacobson]

Everyone I interviewed had an opinion about COVID specifically about, you know, the lab leak at Wuhan. But I left it out of the book for a very particular reason, because I wanted readers to able to come to their own conclusions, whatever their preconceptions may be. And I do think people think and look differently at Covid after they read the book. That's the feedback I've gotten so far. The book just published yesterday, but, you know, absolutely right. Covid could have been on top of all the horrors that it was. It could exist for us as a nation as a terrific example of, you know, what might happen what could happen. And instead, it's left this fractured society with people absolutely digging their heels in about their beliefs. Not everyone, but a large portion of America, I think.

[Glenn Beck]

And, boy, I think more important than just what they believe, the trust is gone. It's just gone. If it happened, if an outbreak happened today, half of the country would not believe Donald Trump. If it was Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, half of the country would not believe her. And there's so many people now that no matter who's in the office, they don't trust the science because they couldn't admit any mistakes anywhere along the. I would have so much sympathy for people who made mistakes and then said, I made this horrible mistake. I thought at this time, because I think we. I think the people's intent at the very beginning was this could be really bad. We got to do everything we can. But then there came a time to where I don't know what the motivation was, but let's just call them all these horrible mistakes. And they never admitted it. So we've lost the trust.

[Annie Jacobson]

Yeah. There's so much uncertainty when you're talking about bio. You know, you've said you've gotten halfway through the book. Well, it doesn't end well. You know, I think what will really be surprised to learn about is, you know, you know, Covid had a case fatality rate of 1%. 1%. 1 in 100 people die. There are genetically modified pathogens out there that have 100% case fatality rate. Everybody dies. And I show readers what the government has planned for that kind of event. And when you see what exists on the books, you know, I take the readers from Outbreak to Anarchy in six days. Anarchy. And then you learn what happens after anarchy. And so, again, I really hope that the takeaway from this is not panic, it's pressure. Because when people read this book, which is all based on sources telling me, I'm talking about presidential advisors saying, okay, yep, this is actually what we do, they will say, whoa, like, we've got to drop the rock on those other issues and really focus on what people are supposed to do, what people can do. But you're absolutely right that there has to be a kind of accountability for it because no one likes to be misled. And whatever you say about the lab leak, whatever you fall, you absolutely know now that public health officials were not being honest. Honest. That doesn't work in my family. It shouldn't work in the government.

[Glenn Beck]

No. So, Annie, you're writing this, and. And I've been watching you for the last couple of months and really since we spoke last time, right after the last book, I've been watching you and, and, and seeing your reaction to pathogens and biological weapons or biological problems. How convinced are you that we are near something and near something not like the Spanish flu, but from an accident in one of these labs.

[Annie Jacobson]

You know, case in point. I mean, accidents are listed in defense department nomenclature as having the same plan go into effect as an attack. And that's the only war gaming I know that considers that. I mean, a nuclear accident is going to be dealt with entirely differently because it's going to have entirely different consequences than a nuclear attack. Biological is actually called biological incident or attack. So a lab leak 100% is as deadly as an, as an attack because the pathogen, if it's airborne, the weapon system is the human lung set.

[Glenn Beck]

So shouldn't. What this, you know, this gain of function research. I mean we are just suicidal. All of this stuff that is out there already sitting deep in a lab. I mean, I understand if we're looking for, you know, cures for these weapons, but I just don't know. It feels as though we have crossed a point to where we're almost insane and will appear to be suicidal at some point down the road. And, and you can't use any of these biological weapons. It's all against the law since Nixon. But how many countries are still doing this stuff?

[Annie Jacobson]

Well, for starters, look at the labs. So there are 110 BSL4 labs around the world. That's the maximum containment lab. And BSL3, by the way, is just right below that. You can work with plague, hantavirus, anthrax, rabies in a BSL3 lab. And there are 3,500 of those labs around the world. And so the idea of an accident is, you know, we're just right at that precipice you mentioned about like suicide. I quote, there was a, the existential sort of philosopher Nick Bostrom spoke, God, it's 10 years ago now, about AI maybe being humans last great invention. And I echo him, only I say that about genetic modification terms that could very well be 21st century humans last invention.

[Glenn Beck]

You know, when you actually know why Elon Musk wants to go to Mars, it makes more sense. You know, he wants to get off before AI and the singularity happen. Because he's like, otherwise man may not exist. You know, we don't know what's coming our way. The same thing with, with biological weapons. You know, we don't have a seed vault for the human race, we, we, we screw this up. There's no seed vault. And that, I think that's what Elon Musk is trying to do with Mars to some degree. Let me take a one minute break any. And then I want you to just set the scene for this war game narrative and take us, take us through it. We'll do that in 60 seconds. First, Z Factor. Amazing how many things human beings have invented in an attempt to fall as sleep. You know, we've got white noise machines, weighted blankets, blackout curtains, special pillows, sleep apps, herbal teas. You know, and I'm pretty sure somebody is probably trying to sell the services of a professional sleep consultant. We'll try just about anything. That's because deep down we all know the difference in our own lives. When we get good night's sleep and we don't get a good night's sleep. You have more energy, you think more clearly, you're more patient, you're healthier. Um, it is required for people to have a good night's sleep. That's why I'm glad the people created Relief Factor also created Z Factor. It helps support your body's natural sleep cycle so you can fall asleep more easily, stay asleep longer, and wake up feeling refreshed. Because something as simple as a good night's sleep can change your entire day, it's worth taking it seriously. Give Z Factor a try right now. Save 46% on your first order. $19.95 for a 30 day supply. 1, 800, for relief. 1, 800, the number for relief or call 800 for relief, relieffactor.com better sleep, better days from Z Factor. From relief factor. 10 seconds and back to Annie. So, Annie, you tell your readers right at the beginning of the book, before you get into the story, this ends in dystopia. Why do you give away the ending?

[Annie Jacobson]

That's the only ending, Glenn. That is the only ending with a genetically modified pathogen to be airborne among the population. You might as well know that right off the bat. I mean, Tom Cruise is not coming to save the day.

[Glenn Beck]

You sure Give me just a sliver of but.

[Annie Jacobson]

But. Well, you know, I think you and I have spoken about this before when we were talking nuclear that. I really love the phrase you can't fix what you can't face. Because what it also means is you can fix what you're willing to face. And so when you have a bit of knowledge about these subjects that are so terrifying, then you can arm yourself with the correct information. You can understand when a mask would appropriate and when it isn't, you can understand. You know, when the hantavirus outbreak happened, for example, in May, and everyone was all worried about it, well, that was a legitimate fear because there is a strain that is airborne. When it proved not to be that airborne strain, you could take different measures. People don't know. So they go to. They go to an alternative narrative. How could you not?

[Glenn Beck]

All right, so take us through the scenario that you lay out in the book. We got about five minutes here. Lay out the beginning of the scenario.

[Annie Jacobson]

What's happening. I tie everything to either something has happened in the past or, you know, things that Defense Department games out in the future. So you have an outbreak at a BSL4 lab in Siberia, in Russia, because Russia still has a bioweapons program in violation of the treaty. Very quickly you got airborne. You got travelers, hunters, international businessmen in that area of Novo Sibirsk get on planes and they go to every continent but Antarctica. There you have it. It's spread. And once it's spread, it's too late. I show what the Defense Department, what the intelligence community is doing, you know, gangbusters to try to understand what this pathogen is. Because until you know what something is, how do you try and defeat it? And quickly it arrives in the United States. And then I show readers the plans in place that the President has, that the Biodefense Council has. And most interestingly to me was understanding that it's a bureaucratic nightmare, meaning you don't have the Defense Department in charge, who essentially are kind of like, go to it, get it done. Say what you will about the DoD, but that's what they do. You've got HHS in charge. You've got cdc, who reports to hhs. You've got fema, you've got dhs, you've got all these organizations sitting around the White House trying to organize themselves, their thoughts and their plans. And it all moves very quickly. And by the time they decide what they can do and by the time that you. Samrid, the DOD's only BSL4 lab at Fort Detrick is able to identify the path and pathogen in my book as pneumonic plague, one of the scariest to all public health officials, pathogens with a hundred percent death rate. By the time they know that, it's too late.

[Glenn Beck]

How many BSL4 labs have that pathogen?

[Annie Jacobson]

Plague is. I mean, plague, Glenn. Think about it. You know, the bubonic plague of the 14th century. There are history books written about this, and I quote, survivors, what they say had happened to people as you know. And everyone thinks, oh, bubonic plague is a thing of the past because, you know, yersinia pestis, that's the germ. Antibiotics will kill that germ. Well, not anymore. When you're talking about genetic modifications, one of the things that gain of function does, it makes pathogens more virulent, it makes them more transmissible, and it makes them able to defeat existing vaccines or antibiotics. And so if there is no cure, you just have mass death. You have anarchy, you have insurrection. And I show readers, I'm not going to spoiler alert because I want you to experience this, but what happens after the Insurrection act is declared is a classified plan called the devolution plan. And I was able to get Obama's former FEMA director Craig Fugate to take me, and I take readers up to the edge of what can legally be known about that. That plan where all the government goes off to secret bunkers called hot sites, cold sites, and warm sites. So let that stew in your imagination when you finish my book. Thank you very much.

[Glenn Beck]

I hate you so much. I want to leave the program right now and go read the rest of the book. So, Annie, can you give us something? Because when you describe the guy on the plane, oh my gosh, how quickly he is devolving and how it is everywhere on that plane and it's just one guy, it's a little terrifying. Yeah, you know, the. Go ahead.

[Annie Jacobson]

I was going to say. May I butt in?

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, yeah.

[Annie Jacobson]

Because in your intro, I cannot forget this. In your intro, you, you mentioned Ken Alabec, and he was one of the defectors, and there were a number of them. And I interviewed their CIA handlers for the book and learned a lot more. And I interviewed one of the world's experts on plague at USAMRID at the DoD's BSL4 lab, who told me what Alabec was really doing and his team in the Cold war in the Soviet bio weapons program, never reported before. They were inserting, through gain of function, genetic modification. They were inserting the gene. This is what you're referring to, the traveler on the plane, the gene for euphoria. And so you may say to yourself, well, what on earth would that be for? What would it do? Think about it. If you're really sick, you go home and get under the covers and you don't infect anyone. But the Soviet sort of malevolent scientists thought if we inject euphoria into the pathogen, people will go out and socialize. They may even go to the disco and they will infect other. That's dark.

[Glenn Beck]

Really dark. We're going to come back and we'll talk some more because I want to spend some time on can and why he defected in the end and what he experienced and some of the stuff that. That he did that I didn't know that you reveal at the beginning of the book. That is just white knuckle terrifying. Annie Jacobson. The name of the book is biological, a scenario. It's available everywhere right now and well worth it. Listen to the audio because her narration is fabulous. You're streaming the best of Glenn Beck to hear more of this interview and others. Download the full show podcasts wherever you get podcasts. All right, so let me start with a good on flock cameras, because flock cameras are starting to become even less popular than data centers. So let me give you the good side. Truck gets stolen out of a driveway two in the morning. Ten years ago, that was a report, a case number, and a shrug. Good luck. Maybe we'll find it. Okay. Today, a camera on a pole reads the plate as it crosses the county line. A deputy has a direction of travel before the owner finishes his coffee. Another one, woman with dementia. There was a woman with dementia. They didn't find her body. Right here. I live right across the street from a reservoir in this canyon that my ranch is in, and it was snowy, really bad. Woman with dementia gets into her car and she's driving, and she's trying to find her way home. She has no reason to be in this canyon. It's nowhere there. This is not the direction of her home. But she has dementia. It's late at night. She drives off, you know, the road, a little cliff, and she goes into the water, and her wa. And the. The car sinks into the water. Nobody knows it because it was in the middle of the night. Nobody knows where she is, has no idea until the thaws come. And then the water line starts to go down in the summer, and you start to see the car and you're like, oh, dear God. And they pull her car and her out. It took months for anybody to know where she was. If you had a flock camera, the system would know. Families would have, you know, known. Maybe they. Maybe they would have been able to stop her before she even got into this canyon. All right. Flock Safety says it's technology supported by more than a million public safety investigations. Last year, assisted in 20% of solved cases where departments used it. Help locate more than 10,000 missing people. Now, that's the company's own number. Unaudited so weigh it accordingly. But go tell the sheriff who found a missing child with one of the flock cameras that they don't work, and you're gonna lose the argument. And you should. It works, and nobody serious should say otherwise. It is great, but it has a dark side, as everything does in today's world. The camera doesn't read the plate of a stolen truck. It reads every plate. It reads yours on the way to work, yours on the way to church, yours on the way to the doctor, yours on the way to the lawyer, the gun store, the divorce attorney. And the newer ones don't stop at the plate. They log the make, the model, the color, the dent in your fender, the rack on your roof, the sticker in your back window. Some of them track people and faces, not just cars. And all of it drops into a searchable database and sits there for weeks. Now, one camera is a tool. 90,000 of them wired into a network across thousands of communities is not a tool. It's a standing answer to a question nobody asked. And that question is, where has this person been for the last month? Now, now, you can talk about theoretical abuse, but let's talk about real stuff that is already happening. Officers in Georgia have been arrested over the misuse of the system. Police around the country have lost their jobs for running plate readers on women that they're interested in. Columbus officer ran immigration searches. Reporters found police using a search function to hunt for people by tattoo and t shirt, not cars and people. In Los Angeles, the department's own inspector general flagged how often the system falsely flagged vehicles as stolen, which means innocent drivers were getting pulled over in California at gunpoint because the software misread a letter. So cities are starting to cancel this. More than 50 of them. 39 in the first five months of this year alone. Syracuse pulled 131 cameras off the polls. Denver let its contract lapse. Los Angeles let its expire. Then, city after city, a different crew showed up and bolted a different camera onto the same pole. Now it's Axon. This is the taser company, the body camera company. They're already sitting inside of those police departments. Denver cut the camera count in half, shortened the data retention from 30 days to 21, and called it a victory. Syracuse changed the vendors and kept the network. Security expert Bruce Schneider said leaving a flock for Axton is like. Is like quitting fanduel because you're addicted to it and joining DraftKings. It's the same thing, okay? The problem is not the company. The problem is there Is no rule. A contract gets renegotiated, a vendor will get swapped, police chief retires, counsel turns over, and every promise that protected you walks right out the door with that person leaving. The law is the only thing that survives the next election. If you're going to have flock cameras, you have to have law. Good news, we already have one. We've had it since 1791, in fact. BJ do you have a little bit of the song from torch 250? This is the song about the Fourth Amendment. You have it. Play it if you have it. The fourth amendment is all about how you can't do these things. Listen, Number four protects your right. You gotta have a warrant. You have to have probable cause. Otherwise, leave me alone. There is no warrant. These flock cameras have no warrant. Warrants have to come from a judge. They're issued on probable cause. What's the probable cause of. Of watching me all of the time. You're, you're, you're not searching my. My place or my person by name, But I will tell you, it's either the third amendment, which is watching you all the time through, you know, having somebody, you know, having military posted inside of your house, which is the third amendment, or it's the fourth amendment. Where is your search warrant? How can you possibly search me? How can you possibly watch me all the time? Okay. The men who wrote the fourth amendment had lived under a piece of paper that let an officer search anyone he pleased. Uh, they could go in and just say, I don't need a warrant. I can search you. I can, I can haul your butt over here for anything. I want a camera that photographs every single car that passes. It is a warrant with no name on it. You know, I've been doing this, I've been doing this for years. Been reading this stuff. I mean, I've been doing this job for 49 years. I've been reading this stuff about, you know, the amendments for 25 years. This has happened before. I'm looking now for all the times that these things have happened before. Listen to this one. Did you know? In August of 1945 days after the war ended, the ink is barely dry on the surrender. Two men from the army signals intelligence went to New York and sat down with three companies that carried telegrams. It was western Union, RCA and itt. And they said, we need a copy of every telegram going into or out of the United States. And the company said yes. It ran for 30 years. Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon. At its peak, analysts were pulling 150,000 messages every month without a warrant. Not one court order. That's the same as your car. Not one American knew it was happening. They called it Project Shamrock. So they're pulling all of these. There's nothing going wrong, but they're just watching the traffic, okay? There was no law against it at the time. No law against it. No law. Nobody had written one. Because when it started, the technology was new, the war had just ended, and everybody involved meant well. Finally was exposed in 1975. The Senate dragged it into the daylight, and investigators asked the retired deputy director whether reading Americans telegrams had been legal. And he said, I don't know. You'll have to ask the lawyers. That's the problem. So Congress wrote the law. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance act made the wholesale, warrantless collection of raw telegrams, phone calls, everything else. It required a warrant to target an American. And that program ran three decades in the dark. And it died two years after somebody turned the light on. Thirty years before anybody found out about it. Flock has been at this for seven. And we know. But that's the entire advantage. It has a shelf life. Knoxville County. The mayor there, Glenn Jacobs, I think he looked at a plan for 270 cameras in his county funded by more than a million dollars in grant money, and he said, yeah, no, no, not let's study it. No, his commission didn't ban them on Monday. They voted to keep arguing and come back next month. That's a fight, not a defeat. There's a. Tim Burchette is filing a bill in Congressman to stop federal agencies from buying or accessing the systems that track people. Thomas Massie says he's going to file one to cut the federal dollars to departments that deploy them. Him. 53 cities already walking away. There is another response out there, and I have to tell you, I understand it, but people are now going out and they're vandalizing these Flock cameras. That is really bad. A man in New Mexico just violated the. He was arrested for taking out 13 of these flock cameras and told the TV station when they got him, I do it again, and I get the anger. But a man with a crowbar doesn't change anything that a purchase order can't undo. By Friday, you destroy them, you're only going to make the case for Flock cameras even bigger. We got to get these hoodlums off of the streets, and they'll just go buy another one and replace it. Okay, you have to do something. The next vendor can't undo. Uninstall, replace, and the windows closing. So I'm going to tell you exactly if you're against these flat cameras, and I am going to tell you exactly what you need to do.