The Glenn Beck Program: Best of the Program | Guest: Joseph Lavorgna | 12/3/25

Date: December 3, 2025
Podcast: The Glenn Beck Program (Blaze Podcast Network)
Guest: Joseph Lavorgna, Counselor to the U.S. Treasury Secretary

Overview

This episode features Glenn Beck tackling current issues in American politics and culture, focusing on government efforts to combat fraud, the controversial new "Trump accounts" policy, and reflections on society's moral crossroads. Special attention is given to an in-depth interview with Joseph Lavorgna from the Treasury Department, who provides insight into the Trump accounts initiative. The episode wraps with personal storytelling about navigating times of social and spiritual upheaval, including a memorable, honest conversation between Beck and Dave Rubin.

Key Topics & Insights

1. Crackdown on Government Fraud

Timestamps: 03:28–21:07

• Food Stamp (SNAP) Fraud:

  • The Trump administration is moving to withhold federal funds from states that do not share recipient data needed to detect fraud.
  • Discovery of 186,000 deceased individuals still receiving benefits, far higher than the previous estimate of 5,000.
  • Blue states have been less cooperative in data sharing, making fraud detection difficult.
    • "All she's asking for, birth date, Social Security number and the name and address. That's what we need to be able to identify fraud." (07:22, Glenn)
  • Beck criticizes those opposed to anti-fraud measures, questioning their logic given national debt concerns.
    • "Who is for getting ripped off every day? I don't understand this." (08:04, Glenn)

• Somali Community Fraud in Minnesota:

  • Investigation into massive COVID fraud, involving fake reporting of meals delivered to children.
  • Funds traced to terrorist organizations (Al Shabaab) and family remittances to Somalia.
  • Minnesota Governor Tim Walz accused of obstructing investigations.
    • "A billion-dollar Covid fraud... some of that money was going directly to Al Shabaab. That's a terrorist organ[ization]." (09:10, Glenn)
    • "I'm not saying everybody in the Somali community is corrupt... I'm saying the actions are criminal. And if you were engaged... you should go to jail and, or be deported, period." (10:23–10:35, Glenn)

• Judicial Concerns & Immigration Courts:

  • Judicial rulings overturning jury convictions in Medicare fraud cases highlight concerns over activist judges.
  • Beck explains the separation between immigration courts (executive branch) vs. the main judiciary, and defends Trump’s removal of certain judges.
    • "That's why he's firing the judges that he is firing that he can fire... because the immigration courts are... not part of the judicial branch, but the executive branch." (15:16, Glenn)

• Immigration Enforcement Efforts:

  • Update on ICE expansion: 10,000 new officers soon deployed.
  • Trump’s stated goal to deport 21 million illegal immigrants, with progress at 2 million in nine months.
    • "Kristi Noem just announced yesterday that they are on their 10,000th ICE officer enrollee... that's really, really important here." (17:25, Glenn)

2. The "Trump Accounts" Debate with Joseph Lavorgna

Timestamps: 21:07–32:38

Segment Introduction

• Beck contextualizes the Trump accounts as a controversial new policy reminiscent of Thomas Paine’s "agrarian justice," i.e., government distributions to citizens, which the Founders rejected.

Key Interview Insights

• Purpose & Framing of Trump Accounts:

  • Lavorgna describes the initiative as the start of a "shareholder economy," giving Americans—particularly new generations—a tangible stake in the system.
    • "What he meant by that was that the US Economy is one that thrives when you've got incentives to produce and work... [The Trump accounts initiative] encourages capital formation and growth…" (22:04, Joseph Lavorgna)
    • "If you have a stake in the system, you don't want to burn it down." (22:53, Glenn, paraphrasing Lavorgna)

• Mechanisms & Goals:

  • Automatic government-funded accounts established for children born between 2025–2028, accessible at age 18.
  • Encourages personal and community investment, teaching compound interest and financial literacy.
    • "If you put $1,000 in 65 years ago... that $1,000 would be worth nearly $650,000 today. So it's really building the American dream..." (23:00, Joseph)
    • "This isn't a redistribution of wealth. This is an investment in the future and people's livelihoods..." (24:58, Joseph)

• Addressing Historical Skepticism:

  • Beck presses on the resemblance to historical wealth redistribution; Lavorgna counters with the changed context and focus on growth over consumption.
    • "I think, Glenn, that right there kind of addresses the issue... the economy and the capitalist system has evolved significantly." (24:58, Joseph)

• Safeguards and Details:

  • Strict time and usage limitations; only applies to births from 2025-2028.
  • Managed as low-cost mutual funds mimicking the S&P 500; contributions allowed from families and employers.
    • "You sign up before then. The monies will go out sometime around July 4th. That's when treasury will put the money in one's account and essentially it will be invested in low cost mutual fund. Something mimics the S&P 500." (30:40, Joseph)

• Outcomes Expected:

  • Government believes long-term economic growth will offset the program’s relatively small upfront cost.
  • Emphasis on boosting financial literacy nationwide.

• On Treasury’s Approach to Fraud:

  • Lavorgna assures listeners of the seriousness with which the Treasury Department approaches fraud, especially in relation to terrorism, and affirms future prosecutions.
    • "If there's laws broken, this administration will prosecute the perpetrators to the full extent that the law provides. No question about that." (32:22, Joseph)

3. Living in “Extraordinary Times”: Personal Reflections & Dave Rubin Conversation

Timestamps: 32:50–43:25

Backstage at Mar-a-Lago: Dave Rubin

• Beck recounts a recent, deeply personal conversation with Dave Rubin about the uncertainties and heightened fears in America’s current climate.

  • "He [Dave Rubin] is... Jewish, he's gay, he's married, and he has two adopted children. I mean, what else... would make you less popular in the world that we're seeing come our way." (33:29, Glenn)

• Both reflect on living in a "movie-like" era, where political violence, assassinations, and war feel ominously near.

  • "We just looked over the ocean for a while, and... I think... one of us said, I can't believe we're having this conversation. And the other one said, I know. It's like we're in a movie, right? It's not real." (35:15, Glenn, recalling an earlier conversation with Charlie Kirk)

• Beck describes the moral and spiritual crossroads facing America, likening recent events to biblical or cosmic battles between good and evil.

  • "We are living in extraordinary times. Extraordinary times. And we are seeing for the very first time, we're seeing good and evil... We're seeing in ways we've never seen before." (36:56, Glenn)
  • "That was God showing up. So the unequal but opposite reaction was God working a miracle." (38:45, Glenn, describing the aftermath of Kirk’s funeral)

• Encourages listeners to ground themselves in timeless truths, avoid divisiveness, and maintain faith that good ultimately prevails.

  • "There is a winning side and the other side destroys itself and its civilization. So to me, it's pretty clear. But it's for each of us to find. Just do it peacefully. Make no enemies. Make no enemies." (41:34, Glenn)
  • "Just speak the truth, plainly, clearly. Just keep saying the truth, the things that you have always known that are universally true. I'll take care of the rest." (43:25, Glenn)

Notable Quotes

• On Government Waste & Fraud:
  • "We have $38 trillion in debt. We're not rich... why would you be for fraud?" (08:04, Glenn Beck)
• On the Trump Accounts Initiative:
  • "It's a way to build wealth and to have a stake in the system and then to generate policies that are positive for the corporate sector, because the corporate sector is the one that hires people..." (25:07, Joseph Lavorgna)
• On the Moral Crossroads:
  • "We are living in extraordinary times... we're seeing good and evil. We are. We're seeing in ways we've never seen before." (36:56, Glenn Beck)
• On Navigating Conflict:
  • "These are not enemies of yours. They are enemies of mine... You do the right thing." (43:10, Glenn, recounting a spiritual insight)
• On the Responsibility of Truth:
  • "Just speak the truth, plainly, clearly... Just keep saying the truth, the things that you have always known that are universally true. I'll take care of the rest." (43:25, Glenn)

Timestamps for Major Segments

• 03:28–21:07 — Fraud and immigration enforcement: food stamps, Medicare, Somali fraud, courts
• 21:07–32:38 — Interview with Joseph Lavorgna on "Trump accounts," economic vision, and fraud investigation
• 32:50–43:25 — Personal reflection: Dave Rubin conversation, spiritual perspective, advice for listeners

Tone and Language

Glenn Beck employs a conversational, emotionally charged, and sometimes combative tone, typical of his style—a mix of urgency, frustration, and sincerity aimed at conveying the seriousness of the times and urging engagement and self-reflection among listeners. The interview with Joseph Lavorgna is professional, inquisitive, and at times skeptical, pressing for clarity and justification. The personal reflections are candid, heartfelt, and often spiritual.

Conclusion

This episode crisscrosses potent themes of policy, morality, and identity in America’s current era. It presents a vivid snapshot of the intersection between federal actions to protect the public purse, profound philosophical debates over government's proper role, and the personal anxieties that define today's societal landscape. Listeners are left with practical policy insights as well as calls to personal integrity, truth, and peace in uncertain times.