Riley Moore (15:12)

Glad, doing great. Thanks for having me back on.

Glenn Beck (15:14)

You bet. It's good to have you. Do you like being a congressman over the state treasurer? What do you think so far?

Riley Moore (15:23)

Well, you know, so far, so good. I do miss being in West Virginia and dealing with sane people in the state of West Virginia. Yeah, you know, it's something I certainly prayed on a lot and certainly need a lot of prayers and God's protection when you're down here. I know there's no doubt about it.

Glenn Beck (15:41)

So you are a guy who understands things as a treasurer. You understand the economy, et cetera, et cetera. So tell me what you think about Trump's tariffs and what he's actually doing.

Riley Moore (15:58)

Yeah, so I am very supportive of the president's tariffs. I've actually introduced what's called the US Restriction Reciprocal Trade act, and specifically what the President's trying to do here and what I'm trying to address in my bill is, in short, we're getting taken for a ride. The American people and the American worker have been getting taken for a ride for a very long Time. Now what my bill does is it addresses non tariff trade barriers that are there. So that could be a vat, that could be a regulation, it could be government subsidies that act like a tariff for our manufacturers to be able to enter into that marketplace. Right. A lot of hidden costs in there. Now the President, what he wants to do is be able to reciprocate with all these countries that have high tariffs. And what I want to do is allow them to give more latitude to be able to reciprocate on these non tariff barriers. Because at the end of the day nobody wants high tariffs. What the President has proven is when you go out here and you reciprocate, you're going to lower tariffs and you're going to get more free trade. Everybody who is freaking out about this and oh no, this is going to be terrible for the consumer. This is going to be great for the consumer in the long run. And guess what, it's going to be great for the American worker and the blue collar worker and the same play here.

Glenn Beck (17:18)

I mean this is Riley, he is playing I think five dimensional chess. I mean I've not been a fan of tariffs. They generally are not good for the economy and the free market. But the reciprocal tariff is just saying I just want free fair trade, I don't want any tariff. But if you're going to raise a tariff then I'm going to balance the field by giving you exactly the same tariff. Now how do you do that with that? How does your bill actually make, you know, all the subsidies, for instance, Airbus, how are you balancing that?

Riley Moore (17:56)

Right. So it will allow the USTR to be able to calculate that and they'll come up with a value in terms of what that looks like in a non tariff sense. Right. So what does that value? What is that? What's that inhibitor into our entrance into that marketplace. So it gives them latitude of USTR to be able to determine that, but we have to have the ability to be able to negotiate on those aspects of that. So a tariff on say US automobile in Europe right now might be around 10% but really it's more like 25%. Right. Because of all these non tariff barriers that are in place.

Glenn Beck (18:37)

Is it going to pass? Are you going to be able to get it? I know. What did you start with? 8 sponsors to this bill.

Riley Moore (18:43)

8 sponsors. My main lead sponsor, Marjorie Taylor Greene. Her and I have worked on this and we're going to continue to pick up some more sponsors, particularly as the President has started to lean in on this and people got to everybody knows, Glenn, you're a huge US History expert. You know this. And so just flashback to pre Revolutionary War and one of the aspects and issues that we had with the British at that time was they were taking our raw goods and materials, shipping them over to Britain to then become finished goods that they would export back over to us. Does that sound familiar to anybody? That's what's happening to us right now with the Chinese. It's literally what's happening right now. But instead of that, it's our intellectual property, it's our technological know how, and they're building it over there and shipping it back to us.

Glenn Beck (19:36)

So he says that, you know, the tariffs are going to make us rich because we're going to collect so much tax dollars. But, but actually, if, I mean, if this works and everybody just kind of plays fair with each other, your tariff is not collecting that much money. We still have to have a serious look at cutting our budget and also our taxes. Correct?

Riley Moore (20:02)

Correct. Because I'd say in the short term you're going to have some revenue on that, but in the long term, we're trying to correct a behavior here. Now, this is a, an example that I've used before. Not that I'm in favor of it because I didn't support it in state legislature, but if you think about something.

Glenn Beck (20:20)

Like a cigarette, you keep breaking up. Are you there?

Riley Moore (20:24)

Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm there. Can you hear me, Glenn?

Glenn Beck (20:26)

Yes, I can.

Riley Moore (20:28)

An example to think about would be say, like a cigarette tax, which I'm not in favor of. But what they're trying to do is change a behavior on the other side. So you might get some revenue in the beginning, but eventually people will come off of cigarettes. Right. So it's the same way you could think to an extent on tariffs is that we're trying to correct the way that these foreign countries are dealing with us and bring it to a more level playing field. The president said he's for free trade, but he is for fair trade. So we'll get some revenue in the short term. This is not a long term play, though.

Glenn Beck (21:00)

I don't think so. I'm talking in just a few minutes to one of the congressmen that are on the Doge Oversight Committee. And I can't figure out what's real and what's not on these numbers. You know, the Wall Street Journal, I think it's only $6 billion, according to the Wall Street Journal that they've cut. I'm really not excited about anything until we get over a trillion Dollars in cuts. And I'm not sure that, that, that we're serious enough to do that. And certainly in Congress we're not serious about cutting, are we?

Riley Moore (21:36)

Well, I can tell you that I am. And you know this budget resolution that they're going to have on the floor today has a floor itself within it provides some guardrails in there for one and a half trillion dollars in cuts.

Glenn Beck (21:52)

Yeah, but, but isn't that a like an $85 trillion bill over 10 years? You're only cutting. I mean, I mean really?

Riley Moore (22:01)

Yeah. So that's over the ten year window. You're right. So that's over the ten year window. So in the way I've thought about it and I've talked to people, they're like, oh, it's one and a half trillion dollars or what if we get to $2 trillion it's like, well one is over the 10 year window. So. Which is saying we're going to reduce let's say $200 billion a year. If it's $2 trillion. If this place tomorrow woke up and said they wanted to spend 200 more billion dollars a year, they could do.

Glenn Beck (22:28)

It in a nano and you wouldn't feel it in Washington. They wouldn't feel it. They have to cut 10%, at least 10% from this. And to cut a billion dollars is nothing in an almost 90 or trillion. One trillion out of almost a $90 trillion budget is frankly pathetic and a slap in the face to people who are actually serious and voted for serious reform.

Riley Moore (22:57)

Yeah, and we do gotta get more serious on this. And I do think though, I mean the things that we're seeing from Doge, if people have the intestinal fortitude, which I am one of these, to actually take what they're doing and put it into law, yes, they can pause this spending, but if we don't put it into law, it will be re appropriated in the next year.

Glenn Beck (23:23)

So the so incredible the I think the American people, I don't know if you saw what Christopher Ruffo came out with as an expose yesterday about what is happening. Oh, look it up. I won't waste your time now. Look it up. It is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen. What our intel community is doing on our, on our secure servers where they're, they're, they're having the, the, the most vile sex talk stuff and NSA says it was important because it was, you know, DEI crap. It's, it's just vile. I think when the American people start to see how Our money is spent. And some of these things, when they come out and they are out in the open and they are shown to be absolutely true, I have to tell you, I think Donald Trump is, is running so fast, and the American people like that, and if the Republicans don't start moving at his speed to make massive changes, they're not gonna. They're not gonna. They're not gonna be in favor with the American people.

Riley Moore (24:38)

No.

Glenn Beck (24:38)

Well.

Riley Moore (24:39)

And they won't show up. Right. So they won't show up in 2026, and rightfully so, if we do not get to the speed of Donald Trump and start cutting in the manner in which particularly Doge is finding some of these things. And obviously this is so frustrating for me coming from state government.

Glenn Beck (24:56)

Yeah.

Riley Moore (24:57)

We balance our budget every year, right? Every year, balanced budget, no problem. And guess what? When we come up short, what do we do? We cut. When the Democrats are in charge, they tax. We cut and we got our way there. And we always balance our budget every year.

Glenn Beck (25:11)

Right. Well, the other thing is, and I'd love to hear your opinion on this, I don't know why we're just shifting money around in the Pentagon. I want the defense budget, and I'm somebody who believes in defense, strong defense. But we have to cut everything, including defense. Why are we not cutting the 8%? We're just moving that money around according to Hex.

Riley Moore (25:35)

I could not agree with you more is everything's got to take a cut. And I'm a big believer in national defense. Huge believer. But everybody has got to do more with less because everyone in America.

Glenn Beck (25:52)

Yes, yes, yes. Riley, thank you.

Riley Moore (25:56)

Gonna have to figure it out.

Glenn Beck (25:57)

Thank you very much. We'll be watching what happens to your tariffs. You are introducing that when to the floor.

Riley Moore (26:04)

We just got it introduced here just last week. And so we're actually working with the White House on the bill right now as we speak.

Glenn Beck (26:11)

Good, good. Thank you so much for everything you're doing and congratulations on or my condolences on being a member of Congress. Now, Congressman, thank you.

Riley Moore (26:21)

I appreciate it.

Glenn Beck (26:22)

From West Virginia, Congressman Riley Moore. You're listening to the Best of the Glenn Beck Program. So yesterday I stumbled on something that came across X and it was a thread of post by a guy that we have talked about here before, Alexander Dugan. This guy is a Russian thinker who's words sometimes feel like a storm gathering on the horizon. And most people don't know who he is. But trust me, what he's saying is not just noise could shake the ground that is under all of our feet. And especially when we're negotiating with Russia, we have to keep our eyes on Alexander Dugan. And we have talked about him on this program before because he is important. He's not just some random guy muttering in a basement. He is a big and powerful voice in Russia, and he whispers ideas to the leaders in Moscow and ideas that not only could but have and will reshape the world in ways that, you know, you wouldn't expect and probably are not. For his post on X, they're cryptic lines about dark ages and technological black holes and the end of time and. But they're not random thoughts. And you really need to take the time, like I did last night, and just try to piece together what is he saying here? Because they're all pieces of a story that he's telling. And it's a story as old as humanity itself, but twisted into something new and very dangerous. So let me explain it this way. I want you to imagine a clock tower. Clock tower in an old village. Its gears are grinding, its hands are now sticking and has been this way going for centuries, but it is just barely operating. That clock is our modern world, our science, our democracy, our smartphones, our highways, built on reason and progress. But things are starting to gum up, right? So Dugan looks at that clock and sees that it is breaking and its gears are rusting and its hands are spin out of control. And when you and I would say, we got to fix that thing, he doesn't say that he wants to smash it. He wants to take us back to a time before the clock existed and time didn't matter, before science and reason, you know, back to a mythical, almost magical age where the world was filled with mystery and. And kings and gods held sway and everything felt sacred and ordered. Basically, the heart of what he's after is a return to a past that never really existed. You know, he's looking for King Arthur's castle, but he believes that it can be reborn, but only through Russia. Now, I want to take you to his post that he. He posted yesterday, where he talked about something called Kali Yuga. Oh, my gosh. It's like a long winter for the. The soul of the world. An age of chaos and greed and moral rot. He says thinkers believe this dark age that we're currently in may end in 2025, and it will open a door to a new beginning. Now, to you, that. That might sound like fairy tale or horoscopes or whatever, but to Dugan, this is a map. It's a prophecy that he is using to argue that our world, our jobs, our freedoms, our tech is all falling apart. And he believes that 2025, this year could be the year the curtain drops on all of it. Now, he's not just predicting this, he is rooting for it. He sees it as a chance to rebuild a world where Russia, his homeland, rises like a savior, bringing back that lost magical order. Now, remember, his magical order is. Is. Is the fourth way. It's, you know, we had communism, we had capitalism, and then we had fascism. He says none of those work. And fascism was close, but Hitler didn't go far enough. His words, not mine. And so he's got a. A fourth political way. And it is. It's not one that you would like. He also posted, just on the same day, he mentioned the era of Aquarius. And so I immediately heard the Age of Aquarius, a new age idea about a coming time of change and a storm of cosmic shifts that are supposed to happen, he believes by 2030. I just want you to picture here a hurricane tearing through your town, ripping up the roads, the houses, everything that was built there, everything that was built, you know, with science and reason, and then replacing that with a magic castle with, you know, My Little Pony, something that he believes is more sacred and more pure, going back before we had the age of science and reason. So yesterday he. He talked about a black hole. He called it the Singularity. And he said, just like Elon Musk did, we're at the singularity. This Singularity, we talked about it yesterday, is a moment where our AI our Elon Musk style dreams of the future collapse into something unknown and scary. He doesn't see this as progress. He sees this as a dark pit, a point where our modern world meets its end. So he is screaming for the Singularity to open up and swallow all of us, which will open up, you know, for his vision to happen. So he was talking about how Trump just gets it done, has a get it done attitude, you know, a practical results first American spirit. Okay, he's not saying that in a good way. Okay. And it's really important to remember that, you know, Satan just doesn't lie. He takes truth and then he twists it so you can. There's always parts of it. You're like, well, no, but that's true, right? You have to have a bit of truth to sell every lie. So you have to be careful. Listen, he is not praising Trump because he loves America. He is using him as a weapon against the global order that he wants to destroy, including our democracy, our open markets, our way of life, the. The liberal world order, meaning the Bill of Rights. This is why Dugan is dangerous. Because he's not just dreaming in a corner on all of this. He's a strategist. He's feeding these ideas to Russian leaders, including Putin. They called him for years Putin's brain. He's pushing for a world where America's influence is crushed and where science and reason are replaced by myth and control. He wants Russia to lead a new empire to counterweight everything else, built on a strict mystical order where everyone knows their place and the past rules the future. So his posts on X are not just crazy rants. You really need to know what he is talking about. Their signals. He is sending signals to people, calling to action the people who share his dream of a postmodern pre science world. Now let me talk to you about who else he influences. Let's talk about Iran. Iran is. Dugan is down in Iran all the time. Dugan is Putin's voice and chief architect for the relationship between Iran and Russia. Or you know, what those who study the Bible might call Gog and Magog swoll that in over. In Iran, as we have discussed their spiritual leaders, they believe in a figure they call the 12th Imam or the Mahdi. It's a kind of messiah who will bring justice and restore a divine order at the end of time. My studies and understanding of the 12th Imam or the Mahadi Christians would describe him as, oh, I don't know, the Antichrist. In Iran, they always talk about speeding up his return. Not the people of Iran, but the leadership of Iran. That that's why nuclear weapons are so frightening in their hands. Because they do believe that the world has to be cleansed in the fire of the Islamic fury. Their words, not mine. That is very similar to the view Dugan has. Dugan encourages this. Both he and the mullahs of Iran actually believe that the world needs to be washed in blood for true faith, order and religion to return. Dugan and Iran, they are not buddies in the usual sense, but they're both obsessed with end times theories, wanting to hurry history's collapse to bring in a new sacred world. For Dugan, it's the end of Kali Yuga or that technological black hole. For Iran, it's the Mahdi's arrival. Both of them see our world, our science, our freedom, our global trade, our Bill of Rights as rotten, ready to be torn down and rebuilt in a new way. Now, whether he's trying to usher in the Antichrist? I don't know. It's a big question. And it's tricky because he doesn't use that exact term, but his words always hint at that. In Christian tradition, the Antichrist is a figure who brings chaos and pretends to be the Savior before the real savior comes. And Dugan's talk of Dark Ages, black holes, technological singularities, yesterday and a new order sounds like he is flirting with that idea, especially as he teams up with Iran. He sees our modern world as ruled by what he calls the prince of this world, Kind of an evil spirit of materialism and freedom that he wants to replace. But be very, very careful, because what I just said, you could say, well, this is kind of a. This is ruled by the prince of this world, and it's kind of evil to what we. Yes, it is. But remember, truth mixed with lies. Whether he's constantly calling for the Antichrist or he's just tapping into that energy, his vision could. And he wants it to lead there, accelerating chaos, to give birth to something that he believes is divine, but has to be destructive at first. So is this evil? I don't know. Evil depends on perspective, doesn't it? I mean, the imams in or the mullahs over in Iran think we're evil. He doesn't see himself as evil. He sees himself as a savior in Russia, as a savior restoring the lost purity to the world. But his goals of smashing science, democracy, and individual freedom to impose a rigid mystical hierarchy that would lead to suffering on a biblical scale. You know, anybody who's ever tried that in the past, we label them later as evil. So, yeah, I mean, he's not twirling his mustache and cackling while he ties Nell to the railroad tracks. But he does push a vision that destroys everything that we hold dear. And if that vision takes hold, it will crush the freedoms that you and I cherish. This is why he's dangerous. His passion. He wants to ignite a fire that burns the world as we know it. We are in a very, very precarious situation. And it's come clear to me over the last few weeks that perhaps we were saved this last election because we have bigger fish to fry. That there are much deeper spiritual things that are happening, and you saw them exposed by Christopher Rufo yesterday. What's happening in Washington, that is spiritual, Ro. And there's two ways to go. We can go for the chaos route, which, by the way, is Dugan's personal symbol or logo, if you want. It's the ancient side sign of chaos and let's just remember who the father of chaos is. Dugan's clock tower isn't just breaking. He's announcing that it's about to crash. And he is handing out hammers to anyone who will help him smash and then rebuild it the way he wants. You need to stay awake. Listen carefully. Don't let the trick of false light or shadows bind you to the storm that he and others are brewing. We're not just talking about ideas. We're talking about the future. And Dugan's dream could drag us back into a darkness we have spent centuries trying to escape. But God's given us all the power to see it. You just have to know what to look for. And you have to stay close to him. You have to question it to be able to stand against it. And that's where the true light will start. Make sure you find the true light, because the darkness is. Is out of the shadows. And there are other things that are happening in this world besides what's happening in Washington.