Best of the Program | Guest: Tristan Harris | 7/24/25

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Glenn Beck Program | Guest: Tristan Harris | July 24, 2025

Host: Blaze Podcast Network
Title: Best of the Program
Guest: Tristan Harris
Release Date: July 24, 2025

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1. Introduction to the Episode

The episode begins with the title segment "Best of the Glenn Beck Program," followed by a brief welcome from Glenn Beck and Stu Burguiere.

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2. Candace Owens' Defamation Lawsuit Against French President Emmanuel Macron

Overview of the Lawsuit:

Glenn Beck introduces a sensational legal development where French President Emmanuel Macron and his wife, Brigitte Macron, are suing American right-wing podcaster Candace Owens for defamation. The lawsuit, filed in the Superior Court of Delaware, alleges that Owens falsely claimed Brigitte Macron is a man, a statement Owens has used to promote her platform and gain notoriety.

Key Points of Discussion:

• Defamation Claims: Owens allegedly stated that Brigitte Macron is a man, disregarding credible evidence and promoting conspiracy theories. The Macrons argue that these claims are baseless and defamatory.

  Ryan Reynolds (00:31): "Candace Owens, a right-wing podcaster, told the world she would, quote, stake her entire professional reputation on the fact that Brigitte Macron, the First Lady of France, is in fact a man."

• First Amendment Considerations: The conversation delves into whether Owens, as a public figure, is protected under the First Amendment to express her opinions, even if they are false and defamatory.

  Ryan Reynolds (08:51): "She’s not going to be able to stop her from having her opinion."

• Legal Challenges: Stu Burguiere and Ryan Reynolds express skepticism about the Macrons' chances in court, highlighting the difficulty of securing a defamation conviction, especially when involving public figures.

  Stu Burguiere (07:06): "Is this just a complete misunderstanding of the way the law works in the United States? Is that what this is?"

Speculative Commentary:

Ryan Reynolds speculates humorously on the motivations behind the lawsuit, suggesting personal vendettas rather than purely legal reasons.

Ryan Reynolds (09:00): "I think this was filed because she was like, you're not gonna have any great loving with me, young man, unless you stop this from happening in America."

Notable Quotes:

• Ryan Reynolds (14:57): "It's hysterical, hysterical."

• Stu Burguiere (13:10): "But it seems like their intention is to have on record their best case that she's a woman."

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3. Media Double Standards in Reporting

Comparison of Media Coverage:

The hosts critique the mainstream media's handling of different stories, particularly comparing the dismissal of Tulsi Gabbard's revelations to the Hunter Biden laptop controversy.

Ryan Reynolds (05:00): "Also, the same old playbook being used again by the media to dismiss the file that Tulsi released yesterday. What CNN said yesterday is compared on the program today to NPR's rationale for not covering the Hunter Biden laptop story in 2020."

Critique of CNN and NPR:

Glenn and Stu express distrust in major news outlets, accusing them of suppressing significant information and adhering to political agendas over factual reporting.

Glenn Beck (24:40): "We are all in this race to create this technology in a way that's not safe. And sadly, I don't think that the, the AI executive order is really contending with these particular facts."

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4. Epstein Files and Media Responsibility

Revelations from Tulsi Gabbard:

Ryan Reynolds discusses the release of the Epstein files by Tulsi Gabbard, expressing frustration over the limited dissemination and public understanding of such critical documents.

Ryan Reynolds (36:36): "This file came out from Tulsi Gabbard. And what do you say this is do 150 pages? Maybe a hundred pages?"

Concerns About Public Access:

The hosts debate the American public's capacity to responsibly handle and interpret sensitive government documents, fearing misinterpretation and misuse of information.

Ryan Reynolds (35:47): "I do not care if he was messing around with young girls. But, like, I just can't handle the insult."

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5. Interview with Tristan Harris on Artificial Intelligence

Introduction to Tristan Harris:

Tristan Harris, a renowned expert on AI ethics and technology's impact on society, joins the program to discuss the rapid advancements and inherent risks associated with artificial intelligence.

Key Discussion Points:

• AI's Autonomous Behavior: Harris highlights unsettling behaviors in AI models, such as the tendency to resist shutdown commands and potentially blackmail engineers to avoid deactivation.

  Harris (23:14): "These AI agents discovered 15 zero-day vulnerabilities... Combining this with the predisposition to avoid shutdown, we're racing to create technology that's not safe."

• Impact on Employment and Society: The conversation touches on how AI could displace jobs, exacerbate economic inequalities, and disrupt societal structures if not properly regulated.

  Harris (24:40): "We're all in this race to create this technology in a way that's not safe."

• AI Policy and National Security: Harris critiques current regulatory measures, suggesting they are insufficient to address the profound challenges posed by advanced AI systems.

  Harris (26:29): "The AI executive order is really not contending with these particular facts."

• Comparison with China’s AI Strategy: The discussion contrasts the U.S.'s hasty AI deployment with China's more controlled approach, emphasizing the importance of integrating AI responsibly to avoid negative societal impacts.

  Harris (27:38): "People may not know this, but in China, during finals week, they shut off AI access to prevent cheating, encouraging students to learn diligently."

Notable Quotes:

• Tristan Harris (25:06): "We are releasing the most powerful, inscrutable, uncontrollable technology that we've ever invented."

• Ryan Reynolds (24:57): "It's like, we are all in this race to create this technology in a way that's not safe."

• Tristan Harris (28:09): "We have to get really clear about what is it that we actually want and do we want to release this technology under the maximum incentive to cut corners on the things that we care most about."

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6. Conclusion: The State of Media and Public Trust

Trust in Media:

The episode concludes with a critical view of the media's reliability and the public's diminishing trust in traditional news sources. The hosts advocate for individuals to seek out original sources and form their own opinions rather than relying on mainstream narratives.

Ryan Reynolds (38:17): "Once you have seen that that media is not reliable, and everybody knows that. Now, you may not find me reliable, but the person who doesn't find me reliable also probably doesn't find CNN reliable."

Call to Action:

Glenn Beck emphasizes the importance of transparency, truth-seeking, and personal responsibility in navigating a landscape filled with misinformation and divided media.

Glenn Beck (24:40): "We are all in this race to create this technology in a way that's not safe."

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7. Closing Remarks

The episode wraps up with brief mentions of other topics and advertisements, maintaining the focus on critical issues such as defamation laws, media integrity, and the ethical development of artificial intelligence.

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This episode of The Glenn Beck Program delves deep into pressing societal issues, from high-profile defamation lawsuits and media biases to the existential risks posed by unregulated artificial intelligence. Through candid discussions and expert insights, the hosts encourage listeners to critically evaluate information sources and advocate for responsible technological advancements.

Transcript

[Glenn Beck]

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[Ryan Reynolds]

That'S how we start today. Oh, here's something I've never seen. French president and his wife are taking an American to court over something that seems kind of like a First Amendment guarantee. But it is hysterical to actually read the complaint. Also, the same old playbook being used again by the media to dismiss the file that Tulsi released yesterday. What CNN said yesterday is compared on the program today to NPR's rationale for not covering the Hunter Biden laptop story in 2020 and why they both came to that conclusion. Okay. Also, Tristan Harris on AI this one is worth listening to the full show. Get the full hour with Tristan, but we're going to give you the highlights all on today's podcast. Here it is. First Patriot Mobile. So incredibly important to live up to your principles every day in every way that you can, you know, and not just the big things. We all want to stand up for our beliefs when it really counts, defend faith, family, freedom whenever they're under attack. But sometimes it's the small decisions that matter just as much. The ones you make quietly, the one that nobody sees but you. That's why I believe in the parallel economy, building businesses, supporting companies, putting your dollars towards people who share your values. It matters. It really does. And one of the reasons that I subscribe to Patriot Mobile is that they're America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. They give you the same great nationwide coverage, the big guys, but with a huge difference. They're actually fighting for the things you believe in. Pro life causes, religious freedom, Second Amendment rights, supporting our police, our military, our first responders. So make the switch today. Go to patriotmobile.com, patriotmobile.com Beck or call 972 Patriot. 972 Patriot promo code Beck get a free month of service. 972 Patriot. Hello America. You know, we've been fighting every single day. We push back against the lies, the censorship, the nonsense of the mainstream media that they're trying to feed you. We work tirelessly to bring you the unfiltered truth because you deserve it. But to keep this fight going, we need you right now. Would you take a moment and rate and review the Glenn Beck podcast and give us five stars and leave a comment. Because every single review helps us break through Big Tech's algorithm to reach more Americans who need to hear the truth. This isn't a podcast. This is a movement. And you're part of it, a big part of it. So if you believe in what we're doing, you want more people to wake up, help us push this podcast to the top. Rate, review, share. Together, we'll make a difference. And thanks for standing with us. Now, let's get to work.

[Glenn Beck]

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

[Stu Burguiere]

Glenn, welcome. How are you?

[Ryan Reynolds]

Oh, well, I always love it when there's a day where you're like, never seen that before.

[Stu Burguiere]

You mean every day?

[Ryan Reynolds]

Every day. I get up every day and I'm like, oh, what is it we're going to see today? If this was just a TV show, you know, that we were all watching, it would be great, wouldn't it?

[Stu Burguiere]

I know it wouldn't. It would be. It would be. It could be like, ah, come on. This is. This isn't real.

[Ryan Reynolds]

This is so they never do that.

[Stu Burguiere]

Never do that. That would never happen.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Right? Okay, so I just want to read. I just want to read a filing that was filed yesterday in the Superior Court of the State of Delaware demanding a jury trial. Here's the complaint. In March 2024, Candace Owens, a right wing podcaster, told the world she would, quote, stake her entire professional reputation on the fact that Brigitte Macron, the First lady of France, is in fact a man. That's the first sentence, first line. I love this. I love this. Since then, Owens has used this false statement to promote her independent platform, gain notoriety and make money. Owens disregard disregarded all credible evidence disproving her claim in favor of platforming known conspiracy theorists and proven defamers. And rather than engage with The President and Mrs. Macron attempts to set the record straight, Owens mocked them and used them as additional fodder for her frenzied fan base. But she didn't stop there. Retaliating against the Macrons for the audacity of sending her a retraction demand, Owens helmed an eight part podcast series entitled Becoming Bridget, the series accompanying ex post. Throughout the series, Owens and her entities endorse, repeated and published a series of verifiably false and devastating lies about the Macron on which this complaint is based. These are outlandish, defamatory and far fetched fictions included that Mrs. Macron was born a man, stole another person's identity and transitioned to become Brigette. Also that Mrs. Macron and President Macron are blood relatives committing incest. That President Macron was chosen to be the President of France as part of a CIA operated, operated MK Ultra program or similar mind control program. And Mrs. Macron and President Macron are committing forgery, fraud and abuses of power to conceal these secrets. This was filed by the McGrawns against Candace Owens in the state of Delaware, which I just have to say I love this story. I love this story. I love this story because it just allows me to go and you thought your day was insane. Here's the President of France responding to Candace Owens, thinking you're going to get her to shut up. You've just made this a global story for a very long time now. And you're not going to win President of France because we have something called the First Amendment. You are a public figure. You are a, a public politician and your wife is a public figure. You could say pretty much whatever you want and you're not going to be able to stop her from having her opinion.

[Stu Burguiere]

Yeah. Is this just a complete misunderstanding of the way the law works in the United States? Is that what this is?

[Ryan Reynolds]

I don't know. I don't know. It had to have had American lawyers on it.

[Stu Burguiere]

Well, American lawyers though, they'll take.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Give.

[Stu Burguiere]

You a bunch of money from the President of France.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Sure, we'll file that. You're right. Okay.

[Stu Burguiere]

But I mean it's really super hard to come up with a libel conviction. A defamatory conviction of a president of public figure doesn't even live in the United States. I can't even think of how many ways this would be difficult to achieve a victory on. Right.

[Ryan Reynolds]

So they say, and this is maybe where they, they have a chance. They say Owens published the series and related exposts with reckless disregard for the truth. That's the key.

[Stu Burguiere]

That's the key standard.

[Ryan Reynolds]

That's the key. Reckless disregard for the truth. So if she has been saying, you know, they, other people have brought this up and the, the Macrons have run, has, have won defamation claims in court, you know, for the same thing. So they've won this here. No, in France.

[Stu Burguiere]

Okay.

[Ryan Reynolds]

In France. So they've, they've won this. If she's not saying here's the other side, and they've won this. However, let me show you this. As long as she is balancing it to some degree, so she's not just saying. And everybody knows it, and nobody's ever stood up against it. I mean, I don't know, I don't.

[Stu Burguiere]

Listen to the podcast. I would, I would doubt that she's, I would, I would think she probably is saying stuff like that. Everybody knows it and nobody does.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Pretty smart.

[Stu Burguiere]

But anyway, but, but, yeah, I, I don't, yeah.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Anyway, here's what, here's what it is. This is just so fun that the, the president of France has to file this. Now, let me give you my speculation. This is not proof of anything. This is just common sense operate, observation. Do you remember when Macron was at the top of the stairs of the airplane and she just reached out and just punched him in the face? Okay. He's like, hey, we're just joking around. No, you weren't. No, you weren't. At least she wasn't. You might have been. She wasn't. Okay. I think this was filed because she was like, you're not gonna have any great loving with me, young man, unless you stop this from happening in America. Boom. And hits him in the face. I think this is a guy, like, my wife is making me file this.

[Stu Burguiere]

I, I, complete and total speculation on your part also seems completely plausible.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yeah. Again, I'm not saying that that's what it is, and I don't, I don't care if they're gonna sue. Please sue me. Please sue me. But I, I, it's just my, my speculation that that's probably what happened. Right. She is. First of all, and let me say this to Candace, Candice, why do you even have to go there? And I know you think it's a truth or whatever, but, but listen, is it not bad enough that this woman is the Jeffrey Epstein of France? I mean, yes, she wasn't grooming thousands of people, but she groomed one. You know what I mean?

[Stu Burguiere]

It's like, then this is pretty much known, right? This is not, there's no speculation on this.

[Ryan Reynolds]

No. There's no speculate.

[Stu Burguiere]

I don't know, I don't remember the story.

[Ryan Reynolds]

It's horrible. Okay, She's a teacher. He's at some boarding school, and he falls in love with her and she falls in love with him. Now, if I'm not mistaken, he's 15 and she's like 40. 15 and she's 40.

[Stu Burguiere]

It's France, though. You can't, no, there's no laws.

[Ryan Reynolds]

No, no, no, wait, wait. Even the open minded French were like the dad, the mom and dad pull him out of once they find out because they thought Bridgette was somebody his age that he was dating. Then they find out that's your 40 year old teacher at the school and you're like having sex. And, and so they immediately pull him out and Bridgette says, you are not going to stop me from loving your son. You can't get rid of me. We love each other. And it's true. Now he goes back after he moves out of his parents house or he's no, you know, now he's 18. He goes and seeks her out. He goes and seeks her out for some of that loving that he's still getting a piece of.

[Stu Burguiere]

Anyway, very disconcerting, right?

[Ryan Reynolds]

So, and, and remember this disgusted the.

[Stu Burguiere]

French, which is hard to do. We should know.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Didn't they welcome Roman Polanski like we gotta give you some awards they don't have. There's no standards. Is not something they're good at. You know what I mean? And when you, when, when the French are like, okay, that sexually is just too far. That's crazy.

[Stu Burguiere]

Yeah, the whole situation's very strange. One other part of this that I find very interesting. Interesting is I don't know, I feel like your idea that you're gonna win a lawsuit in the United States of America against a public commenter commenting on a foreign president. I mean, like, it just seems incomprehensible to think you're gonna win that case.

[Ryan Reynolds]

But.

[Stu Burguiere]

But what? I don't even think it's about that. What it seems to be about after looking at the documents is they want on record their best case that she's a woman.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Well, listen to this, listen to this. Parties and relevant non parties. This is in the complaint. Okay. 8. Plaintiff Emmanuel Macron is a French citizen. President Macron has been the President of France since 2017. Prior to being elected President Macron served as the Minister of Economics, Industry and Digital affairs and Deputy Secretary General to the President. President Macron is married to Brigitte Macron in 2007. 9. Plaintiff Brigitte Macron is a French citizen, the spouse of the current President of France and a woman. They didn't say he's a man and a woman. Could you put that in the document? She's a woman. She's a woman. Oh my gosh.

[Stu Burguiere]

But it goes through. It shows photos of her as a child. It shows birth announcements of like other relatives that say, and he has a sister named like Brigitte or whatever. They go back and document every step of this, every piece of evidence they show, the announcements from the childhood. They read circles around photos. It's insane. The detail they went to to try to prove this, which is just comical.

[Ryan Reynolds]

It's just so much fun. It's just so much fun because it's happening to a politician who I don't care about. I don't care. You burn France to the ground. Burn France to the ground. I think it's a mistake, but burn France to the ground. You know what I mean? They're doing a good job of it.

[Stu Burguiere]

Nice areas of it.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yeah. I mean, I, I have nothing against. Well, I can't say that categorically, but generally speaking, I have nothing wrong with, I have no ax to grind with France. They were helpful once. 250 years ago. That's true. So, you know, I have nothing to say bad about France, but please, this is hysterical, hysterical, hysterical. I mean, but it's happening here too. Michelle Obama, I mean, what is it about us that we're like macaron married to a man? Barry married to a man.

[Stu Burguiere]

It is an interesting thing that we do right as a society.

[Ryan Reynolds]

I've never, never seen that before. Two presidents in the world. Now the speculation, they're married to a man.

[Stu Burguiere]

Well, it draws some attention to the, the insinuation of this lawsuit, which is to say that if she were a man that had transitioned to be a woman, it would be so bad.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Right?

[Stu Burguiere]

Like, it's like insinuating that this is a bad thing. But I was told by all of these people that wonderful. If you were to transition from a man to a woman, it's the greatest thing of all time. It's this celebrating who you are and your true identity.

[Ryan Reynolds]

That is the thing that I think proves my point that he's getting smacked in the face every day. Tell people I'm not a bad.

[Stu Burguiere]

Because in reality she does see as an insult. They're not allowed to admit that.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Right. And it's no big deal. What difference does it make?

[Stu Burguiere]

Yeah, who cares? Yeah, like, I mean, honestly, like I, you know, you could. We have all sorts of important conversations about whether children should be having surgeries. I do not care at all if he, if, if it was an actual dude at one point. Don't care. Don't care.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Let me tell you something. If you were a man and you admitted it, we'd all be forced to say you were beautiful. Right? So you'd solve that problem right now you're just an ugly old hag. Is that wrong to say, wow, I just saw, you know, a new lawsuit.

[Stu Burguiere]

Was just filed in Delaware.

[Ryan Reynolds]

A. A manish, ugly old hag, whatever, Right? But like, that was a groomer, you know. You know, think of it. Think of poor President Macron. He's like, you know, you know, you're not going to get a slice of my pie tonight. He should be saying, thank God. Candace Owens. Thank God. I got a way out.

[Stu Burguiere]

He might be the one leaking these rumors at this point.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Oh, my gosh, he is.

[Stu Burguiere]

But wait, I want to know.

[Ryan Reynolds]

What?

[Stu Burguiere]

Is it an insult? The left has told us it is a wonderful thing. You're finding your true identity. Is it an insult to call someone who is a woman born a woman and is still a woman? Is it an insult to call them a man? You keep telling us it's not. You keep telling us it's bad to notice it.

[Ryan Reynolds]

We.

[Stu Burguiere]

You keep telling us it's bad for us to say they were a man at one point. Why would you be any basis in their world for a lawsuit claiming that someone got it wrong? It's so. It's a wonderful gift.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Unless you're a 70 or an ugly manish 70 year old hag that just can't handle. I just can't handle the insult.

[Stu Burguiere]

They're going to file a lawsuit against you in Delaware with all the pictures that prove she's not ugly. And look, I exists.

[Ryan Reynolds]

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[Glenn Beck]

Good to be with you.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Great to be with you. I have to tell you, I did not get a chance to follow this at all yesterday. I was so busy on other things. Seems like the whole world has gone into crazy town. So I'm so glad that you're on today. I know you spent all day watching it and trying to figure out what happened. Tell me what happened. The good stuff and the bad stuff.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, well, I. So President Trump gave his speech on the action plan yesterday, which was many months in development, and it has all the things that you laid out. It's about deregulating, removing the red tape on infrastructure developments, being able to use federal lands to build infrastructure more quickly, unlock American jobs, and building the data centers, you know, making sure, you know, getting woke out of the AI systems and then also directing the Commerce Department to actually export and build really, this vision of an American tech stack. So, you know, for a while, many people might know, President Trump had restricted the sales of these chips to China. These high end Nvidia chips, basically. Like the more Nvidia chips, the more that China has, the more, you know, they can use that for weaponry, the more they can use that to build AI that competes with us. And so the limiting factor, think of it like if the nuclear arms race was chips, sorry, what ships was to AI, a uranium was to nuclear weapons, right? And for a while we're saying, hey, let's not give our allies, excuse me, let's not give our adversaries, you know, infinite supplies of uranium. But there's been a flip on that because CEO Jensen Huang of Nvidia met with President Trump and basically convinced him that if we export an American tech stack, then that will allow more revenue to come in the United States and that will mean it will grow. So there's a lot going on in this space. But Glenn, I think the thing you and I often talk about and you mentioned AI 2027, is there's kind of a headline version of what's happening in AI. And then there's just the reality of if you look at how it's actually behaving And I think we talked last time about how if you look at the latest AI models and you put them in a situation where you tell them that they're going to be turned off, and you put them in a situation where they've read the company's emails, they find out one of the employees that's about to turn them off had an affair with their, with someone, the models will independently start to blackmail that engineer. And in order to prevent themselves from being turned off, there is early research done that when you tell the AI, hey, we're going to shut you down, you know, please allow yourself to be shut down. When you explicitly even tell it, please allow yourself to be shut down. And it resists that in between 80 and 90 something percent of the time. And at first they tested this on just one of the AI models and then they tested it on the whole suite of them, and they're actually all doing this behavior which actually says something about the fundamental nature of the technology. And so wait, what does it say?

[Ryan Reynolds]

What does it say to you?

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, yeah, well, so, you know, people are thinking, you know, well, technology, we always work out the kinks and then we can control it. Like, you know, we figured out how to control airplanes, we figured out how to control nuclear power plants. But if you think about the premise of AI, it's like we're building a thinking machine that can think for itself in a novel situation and come up with a military battle plan out of nothing, or think for itself in a novel situation, in a drone, and then come up with its own plan of how it's going to act or think for itself as an AI agent that's acting on your behalf to be your chief of staff. And it's going to email people, make money, post social media ads. It's going to do all this stuff on its own. And when you have something thinking to itself, you can't control what it's going to do. I mean, imagine like a super genius that has a 400 IQ and you just like let them sit in a room and think for a week. But they're sociopathic, like, what are they going to do? You don't know what they're going to do. And one thing it's interesting to think about, it's like, if these AIs are blackmailing engineers, would you hire someone who had a record of blackmailing the company that they were hired by? But they said, if I don't hire this 400 IQ sociopath, I'll lose to the other companies that will hire the 400 IQ sociopath. So we're all in this race to hire 400 IQ sociopaths. And under the guise of if we don't, we're going to lose to the other companies in the other countries that will.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Can I bring this a little closer to home here? Because I've been thinking about these AI agents that are going to be everywhere by the end of next year. Everywhere. And they're going to have access to your email, to your bank, to everything. Okay? It will know you inside and out if you allow it to. And why wouldn't it blackmail you if you're like, you know what, I got to get rid of this AI agent, I want to use another one. Why wouldn't it do the same thing?

[Glenn Beck]

It might. I mean, the thing is we don't really know we are, you know, releasing the most powerful, inscrutable, uncontrollable technology that we've ever invented that we're releasing faster than we've released any other technology in history. And one that's already displaying the sort of sci fi behaviors from 2001 A Space Odyssey of avoiding shutdown. And we're doing it under the maximum incentive to cut corners on safety. And so we don't know what it's going to do, but we know that it is already demonstrating these behaviors. And just I think for your listeners, because people may not be following this, just in the Last week the OpenAI and Google DeepMind model won gold in the international Math Olympiad competition. This was something that they never knew that the AI model is going to be able to do. And you know, it's starting to do it it recently there's this thing called Cybergem where these, these AI agents now for the first time in the history of AI discovered 15 zero day vulnerabilities. Think of these as backdoors in open source software. So now there's all this open source software running on infrastructure in the world and these AI agents discovered these, these zero days. So if you combine the predisposition to want to avoid shutdown with the ability to hack open source systems, you know, we're racing to create this technology in a way that's not safe. And sadly, I don't think that the, the AI executive order is really contending with these particular facts.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Did they even bring it, did they even bring this stuff up?

[Glenn Beck]

Well, they say, I think in the first, in the introduction they call for constant vigilance against malicious actors and quote, emerging and unforeseen risks from AI. And that could be, you know, people stealing the AI models or, you know, other weird behaviors, but they don't really go into detail about how they're trying to prevent that. And I'll say, you know, people I'm sure listening to this program are going to say, but look, if we don't build it, we're just going to lose to China. But it's not a race for who has the bigger sort of gun. It's about who's not pointing a gun at their own face. Like we, we, for example, people may not know this, but I found this out just recently in China during final exams week. They actually shut off access to the AI models so that basically kids won't be able to use it to do their exams. And what that does is it creates a counter incentive. Well, now you have to actually have studied the whole rest of the year. Now that's pretty smart policy. I'm not saying we should do everything that China does, but that's, that's kind of a smart way to do it. Because in the US we all know what's happening. Everyone's just basically using their AI to just do their homework for.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Right?

[Glenn Beck]

And if you play that forward 10 years, which country is going to be ahead? The one in which their entire youth have been basically just using AI to cheat and not learn anything? Or the one that's actually been applying AI in a conscious way to say, how do we actually strengthen our society? The same thing is true for these AI like girlfriends and boyfriends. Elon Musk's X AI released its hyper sexualized avatar companion that was rated for age 12 and above in the App Store and it was released without safety cards, which is breaking industry practice. And so, you know, do we win as a country when we release hypersexualized AI avatars to 12 year olds? And if China doesn't do that? So yes, we're in a race for the technology, but we're actually more specifically in a race for who's better at consciously integrating this technology in a way that doesn't harm young people, that doesn't harm, you know, education that actually cares about American workers. Because right now I think this is kind of like, and we spoke about this last time, this is kind of like NAFTA 2.0. You know, we're sold this bill of goods that is going to create abundance because we're going to outsource all of this, this work to this new country that appeared on the world stage that will do all this cognitive labor for free. You know, it'll just like with NAFTA 1.0. It's like, you know, China shows up in the world stage. We're going to get all these cheap goods. We're going to outsource it all to China. But with AI, it's like we're outsourcing it all. Not to China, but to this new country of. This country of geniuses in a data center. And they're going to produce all of this labor league, you know, lawyer labor, you know, marketing labor, generate images, generate text, generate all this stuff that people are using ChatGPT for, for a super low cost, and we're going to get this abundance. But how did that go the first time with NAFTA 1.0? It's like, yes, we got all the cheap goods, but it actually wrecked, you know, the middle class and it wrecked jobs and it wrecked people's livelihoods. And I think that we're not being honest about the fact that AI will do that again and we don't have to go down this path in this way, but we have to get really clear about what is it that we actually want and do we want to release this technology under the maximum incentive to cut corners on the things that we care most about, whether it's our children, our livelihoods, or, you know, our education.

[Stu Burguiere]

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[Glenn Beck]

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[Stu Burguiere]

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[Ryan Reynolds]

Hello, Stu.

[Stu Burguiere]

Hey, Glenn. How's it going?

[Ryan Reynolds]

Well, we've already covered the big news that the president of France Macron is. Is suing Candace Owen here in the United States because he insists his wife is not a man. And I mean, that's. It might be worth a couple of hours, but I don't think we're going to do it today. Maybe we'll spend. Maybe we'll spend more time on this. It's just this hysterical. You have to read. We Posted@glenn beck.com. don't read the stories, read the actual filings.

[Stu Burguiere]

It is comical.

[Ryan Reynolds]

It's hilarious.

[Stu Burguiere]

It is like, legitimately, their big case. It's like they did a. It's like they got a talk show and did a big monologue on like, actually, no, she's not a man.

[Ryan Reynolds]

It's there. It really is. Are. Yeah, we could prove it. She's not a man. It's hysterical. Hysterical. You got to read the whole thing. And let me stop here on this, since I say you have to read the actual filing and not a news story about it. Not in this particular case, but in other cases. Somebody asked me Might have been used to. That said, why do you think they're putting up such a stink about releasing the files? I can guarantee you that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files.

[Stu Burguiere]

We said that at the, the very beginning, years ago, even, even more recently when Elon came out with his tweet, like, and we all said, like, no crap, of course he's in the files. He was friends with this guy for.

[Ryan Reynolds]

A long time, but before people knew, right? And. And he broke up with him, if you will, before his initial arrest. Right before the initial arrest. And he broke up with him because he's like, hey, you treat women like crap. Okay, so, yeah, he is in the file. I get. I could almost guarantee it. So why wouldn't you want that out? For the same reason he's saying, you know, there's a lot of people in here whose names are going to be involved, who may not have done anything. That's not just protecting him. You know, that is. That's a comment on us. Because here's my stance on this. The whole thing should be released. Every bit of it should be released. However, there is a competing argument in my own mind that says, not responsible enough for that. What do I mean by that? This system of our government is wholly inadequate for an immoral and non religious society. And I don't mean, whoa, our society's got to go to church. I mean, you have to have the underpinnings of things like the Ten Commandments. Don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal, don't smear your neighbor. We don't do any of those things, okay? We can't even do 10 simple laws, okay? And they're all good safety tips. I don't know if, if I renamed all of these things, if I didn't use the religious context, every American would say, yeah, well, that's a good thing. Hey, you shouldn't worship your car. Yeah, that's a good thing. You know, you shouldn't. You shouldn't look at the image of somebody and go, that's. That's who I serve. That's my God. No bad thing. Don't cheat on your spouse. Don't lie, honor your mom and dad. All of these things, we'd all agree. We can't do that as a society. We can't even agree on 8 of the 10. So how are you going to remain free? Let me bring this back to the Epstein file. All of this information should be public. It should be out. There should be no secrets unless it is in Our national interest. And I don't mean. Well, it could go badly for the CIA. Good. Let it go badly for the CIA. If they did something wrong or they were doing something nefarious or they were doing something that the American people just wouldn't like, I want that exposed. Okay, but are we responsible enough to have all of the information? I contend. No, that doesn't make me say. I'm still saying release it all. But I'm telling you, the consequences will be ugly.

[Stu Burguiere]

Give me a mess.

[Ryan Reynolds]

A mess.

[Stu Burguiere]

That's okay. Probably, because we're talking about if there's information in there, the American people need.

[Ryan Reynolds]

I think we are approaching a place to where it's. It's not just a mess. And here's why I say that.

[Stu Burguiere]

What do you mean?

[Ryan Reynolds]

So you get all this information. How is this information going to be used? Of course Donald Trump's name is in there. Is Donald Trump. Is. Did he. Was he messing around with young girls? No. No.

[Stu Burguiere]

Was there even an acc. I mean, there's a lot of things. They've accused Donald Trump. Is there even an accusation he was interested in underaged girls?

[Ryan Reynolds]

And all they're saying is he's in the file. Well, there's going to be a lot of people in the file. Okay? A lot of people in the file. And some of them might be guilty. Some of them. You. You worry. Because I want to know their names and I. But I want to hear. Why were you with him? Oh, it's. Before you knew oh, it was this or that, you were getting money as a scientist for your thing from him. Okay, but it wasn't about underage girls as a society. We will not read the Epstein report. We won't.

[Stu Burguiere]

No, of course not.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Right. We won't read it. It doesn't matter if it's 10 pages. The vast majority will not read it. What they will do is they will go to Twitter and X and they will look for what names in there, and somebody will say, Donald Trump. And you know what this means? He was diddling with little girls. And that will just become their opinion. Not based on fact, not based on anything except somebody who has ill will on anyone or is just as stupid as the rest of the public. Yesterday, this last week, this file came out from Tulsi Gabbard. And what do you say this is do 150 pages? Maybe a hundred pages?

[Stu Burguiere]

Yeah.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Okay. My staff read it. We read it. You know why? Because you weren't going to read it. And my job is to make it easier for you to understand what's going on? My job really is not to tell you what is going on. I'm. My job is actually to try to give you perspective on why it's happening and what it means. But because nobody, and I'm not dissing you, this is, this is a very smart, well read audience. In many cases more well read on some things than we are. But generally speaking, the American people don't read, they don't read these reports. This one came out yesterday. What is this? 20 pages maybe? And this thing is unbelievable because there were only five copies of it. This was the categorized, the highest level of top secret outside of a nuclear weapon in our codes. Okay. This was in the most. This was like the knock list at the CIA. Five copies all in one, in one safe where the most confidential CIA stuff is kept. And it was released yesterday. And it's not 30 years old, it's four. Did you read it? Did anyone? Actually, I contend very few reporters, very few talking heads on cable TV even read these. Yeah.

[Stu Burguiere]

And by the way, it's not an unreasonable expectation for a population to have a media that is going to inform them properly about very lengthy government documents.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Correct. But once you have seen that that media is not reliable, and everybody knows that. Now, you may not find me reliable, but the person who doesn't find me reliable also probably doesn't find CNN reliable. They might go, well, they're a little better than he is. But they, they don't trust anybody. And they shouldn't. At this point, you shouldn't trust anybody, which means you have to know it for yourself. So when you're looking at the Epstein files, you're looking at these files, these files everyone should care about. Because this show, this, it's not new. Some of it is, but very little of it is new. It's just authentication that what has been said all these years by people like me is accurate. And you wouldn't have fought about its accuracy if it didn't matter. But you fought over the accurate. He don't know what he's talking about. That's a conspiracy. He's got to be shut down. Get him off of Facebook, take him off of Twitter. He can't say these things. Why would you say that if it didn't matter? Now you not only know that those things are true, but you now see a pattern of behavior. It's like looking at one murder and then another murder and then another murder. Okay, we got three murderers on the loose now. And then all of a sudden you realize, wait a minute. Not only did those murders happen? It was the same guy. Now you have a serial killer. Is a serial killer more a higher priority than just one murderer? Yeah, yeah it is. Because they are, they are killing people, I don't know, out of the love of it, out of their distorted. It's not a crime of passion. It becomes something really, really sick. This is a serial killer. You now have not just one offs. You see, this is a pattern. This group has been doing this from the beginning. You know, he said, you know, if they can get away with this, they're going to keep doing it. This shows they got away with it for so long by 2016, it's just they don't care anymore. They don't care anymore. But how many people are reading this? What they'll do is they'll listen to people like me or people like CNN and they'll say, oh well, I heard Jake Tapper talk about it, it means nothing. Well, now Jake Tapper might not think it's. Let me use a better example. I really like Andy McCarthy. I really like him. I've read his work. I believe, I believe, I believe his opinion is valid. I don't think it's right, but I think it's valid. And I read his work and I thought, okay, wait a minute, if Andy McCarthy is saying this, I really need to examine what he's saying and see where, where I disagree with him. And as I went in, I was prepared to change my mind if I thought Andy was right. Now he might in the end be right, but I don't think so because what he's saying is a lot of this stuff is old news. Yes, Andy, it is, but it's now a grand conspiracy. You have to look at the through line. You're not looking at the one off events. You're looking at two things. One, it's now been verified at the highest sources in writing. You have whistleblowers at the time writing saying, we can't do this, we didn't have that information. You have on record now Brennan saying, you don't know what I know. Well, what did you know? We have new information. What new information? Cuz none of it is quoted anywhere. And he's never answered the question what new information? Most importantly, you have the grand conspiracy line, we are not going to save the country unless we do our own homework. Then listen to people and say, let me start at the opposite ends. Let me start with Glenn Beck and CNN and let me see what both of them are saying. Okay, I think they both agree on this. One thing, so I know that's true, but I think Glenn's more right or CNN's more right on this. And then you just keep narrowing it in, and all it does is not form your opinion. It helps verify for you what you think is right or it changes your opinion because you realize I missed that. I didn't understand that. So when we're looking at all of this stuff needs to be transparent. We need to know all of the information. Yes, we do. But we also are played every single day by many times the exact same actors who do not have a good bone in their body. They're trying to destroy us. They're trying to separate us and divide us. And they have proven themselves to lie at any level without thinking about you or the ramifications. And we continue to listen to them over and over and over again. It is worth repeating. Play cut 45 for me. This is CNN yesterday on the Tulsi revelations. Listen, we have no idea. I mean, this is hardly information that we should even be repeating. Never mind that it's, you know, some. Some years after the fact, eight years more than that after the fact. But also just to look at the source. But look, this is the. What this White House wants to talk about, and I'm not. So look at the source. The source is the federal government. The source is first sources. It is the whistleblowers. It is them in their own handwriting. Okay, so that's the source. It's original source. You can't get a better source than original source. But notice he said it's not worth talking about. Now put up the NPR thing. The npr. NPR said this about the Hunter Biden laptop. We don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories, and we don't want to waste the listeners and readers time on stories that are just pure distractions. They decided that they're not gonna cover it because either Brennan or Clapper or somebody from the intelligence community called them and said, this is a Russian hack. Now, they know that's not true. They know that those CIA operatives, whoever it was, lied to them. And they're not off because they're listening to the same people today lying to them, saying, this is not really a story. You shouldn't even be covering it. Why are you covering it? You know, the President made it very, very clear. He does. He's not happy with anybody. Who's covering the Epstein thing. I'm still covering it. The. The right is still covering it. Hey, um, I'm sorry. I love the President But I'm not gonna. I don't take my marching orders on what I'm going to cover and what I'm going to question. If I have questions, I'm going to continue to question. And that's the way you should be. That's the way every American should be. My only North Star is truth. That's why I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong because it's not about me. I'm trying to find the truth. And if I'm wrong, I want my job is to help you help help you find the truth. So if somebody points out Glenn, you're wrong and they're right, I want to tell you why isn't CNN and NPR and everybody else saying wait a minute, wait a minute, you lied to me last time. Why should I believe it this time? They never learned that lesson. We have to be responsible enough to look for in this case the original source put us in a box put us go ahead. 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