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Best of the Program | Guests: Alan Dershowitz & Ross Douthat | 2/13/25
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Glenn Beck
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The radical transparency on all of these scandals. And Ross Douthat, he is he's written a new book on faith why It's Easier and Better to Believe there Is a God than there isn't. All this on today's podcast. The best way I know to have real peace of mind is always be prepared for the worst while hoping for the best. Now you'll sleep a lot better. You will. You won't believe the the burden on your shoulders. Especially if you're a dad. You know that burden of making sure your family is taken care of is is heavy sometimes something wrong. You need to make sure that everybody has food to eat. My Patriot Supply is America's most trusted name in emergency preparedness. And right now they're offering a limited time discount on their super sized mega three month emergency food kit. It provides 2,500 calories a day for 90 days. Really good meals. It will survive in storage for 25 years and still taste great like a home cooked meal should. 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And the Donald Trump is cutting, cutting, cutting, but we also need to cut regulations. We need to get business back on its feet. Um, these two things have to happen in a coordinated fashion. Otherwise you're going to, you're going to gut the spending is. Remember most of our gdp, a lot of our GDP is coming from the government. They're spending all of this money. You're not spending money, they're spending money that's keeping the government's gdp. So if you cut our GDP goes down, which means all kinds of numbers start to fluctuate from interest rates and everything else. So we want a growing gdp, which means we have to grow real wealth, we have to grow real business, not NGOs. And the one guy that I think can do it is Donald Trump. But there's a tweet that I that caught my eye yesterday because it starts with gold and I've been following the comics. There's something going on with gold and nobody really knows what it is. Somebody here in the United States is buying a crapload of gold. We think, I hope it's the treasury or the Central bank, the Fed, but somebody is taking huge physical deliveries and it's causing shortages in London where they're, you know, there's, they buy and sell gold there. Shortages now of gold because somebody is buying it and shipping it here. Somebody with very deep pockets. Okay, so why now? This is all theory. That's fact. Here is the theory of what's going on. They're preparing for a full on gold audit. We talked about this yesterday. The government right now claims on its balance sheet as an asset all of this gold and it's valued at $45 an ounce, in case you haven't heard, it's $2,900 an ounce. So they're talking now about boosting the price of gold, at least market to market, but maybe even making it $5,000 an ounce. Okay. If that happens, the balance sheet starts to fall into line and our debt to GDP is not as bad as it really is right now, okay? Just start claiming the truth about gold and our balance sheet starts to come into line. Start taking our minerals, start taking our oil and claiming those as assets and putting those on the balance sheet, which we can do. And it's not a bad idea unless, you know, we lose in the end because then we lose all of our assets, our natural assets. You put those on the balance sheet. This helps strengthen the United States because we're coming to a place where we're not going to be able to finance the debt. Who wants to write the United States a new long term loan at less than really market value? And market value, I mean, you know, if you walked into a bank and you had the credit report that the United States of America has, what do you think the bank is going to charge you in interest? You're a risk. You just are addicted to spending. You're doing ridiculous things. I'm sorry. Now they might write you a check if you have all of this stuff on your balance sheet. Okay? And that's why they're doing it. They're trying to reshore up our balance sheet, make ourselves healthier than we are because we're at the end of the dollar, we're at the end of this financial system. So this is an end game. It's why tariffs are being, you know, brought in. It's a, it's to, to force others to start to see the sorry situation they're in. I mean, Europe, if this deal with Ukraine goes through, which by the way, yesterday had a great, a perfect phone call with Putin and it did go really, really well. And Donald Trump is saying, yeah, you know, we might have to have the resources from you. We might, we want your rare earth minerals because of what we've already given you. We want that in exchange. He's doing that as a negotiating tactic with everybody and he's putting on notice the European Union. We're not in this anymore. This is your problem. We leave, we're not rebuilding Ukraine. You have to do it and you're going to have to protect it. And we're not going to guarantee its, its protection. So if you want it protected, you do it. They're talking $3 trillion to be able to rebuild and protect Europe can't handle that. But you know what? Europe, neither can we. So he's putting everybody in the same situation. And this is going to cause inflation to rise. It's going to, it will punish the average person because of terrorists and everything else if they're not done exactly right. It'll punish with higher prices. However, he's betting that wages will also rise because he's forcing people to keep their profits here and make jobs here. If everything goes right, what the, the trade on gold is showing us is that we may be going towards a gold backed financial system or a gold backed currency of some sort. The Fed could even be shut down. There is, there is something big in the wind and nobody knows what it is for sure. So if, what do you do as a regular person? You need to understand that the dollar could be by design being collapsed. That's exactly what the Biden administration was doing, collapsing the dollar. But they didn't have a plan to replace it other than a digital dollar and you know, global slavery. I not sure what the plan is here, but it seems much more American centric, Good for America and eventually good for the rest of the world. And it doesn't look like it is taking freedom away from people, but we have to watch it. The situation with the economy is really dire. That hasn't gone away. What we have is a, one of the best mechanics who have hired the, the rest of the best mechanics to come in, put up the hood and say we want to save this engine, how do we do it? And they're applying that. We don't know what direction but a, a huge sign that something big is coming is the amount of gold that is being purchased. And the key here that you have to understand shortages in London. Gold flowing into the US at record levels. Somebody with deep pockets. This is what Matt Smith is scooping up gold. They're reassuring. Gold that might have been leased out. What does that mean? That the United States is buying all this gold. Why? Because they're reshoring the gold that might have been leased out. That's rehypothecation. That's just the word away from the word that I said if you see rehypothecation begin to be bantered around, look out. What rehypothecation is, is we've taken one asset and, and we've, we've counted it on several different accounting books. So we counted at the United States but also we've, we've leased this gold out to Germany so Germany could get more money based on their gold. But their gold is our gold and our gold is England's gold. So that's how dire this is, is we're beginning to enter the world of rehypothecation which means no one owns anything because your house you say, well I got my loan through Citibank but Citibank has Rehypothes use rehypothecation to put that on their balance sheet, as that's their house. But they sold it in a package to eight different banks, and they're all counting that house, yours as an asset. So when they all start to go down, they all say, well, we've got all of these assets. Well, no, you don't. Which one of you has the 100%? You're all claiming 100% of, you know, Bob Smith's house. Which one actually has it? Well, they all do. This is. This is such a Ponzi scheme where. You know what this is? This is a story of the producers. You ever see the movie or the stage show, Mel Brooks, the producers? Why did they get into trouble? Because they were selling over 100% of the play. They kept selling the Play. You get 100%, you get 100%, you get 100%. All thinking that it's not that that particular show wouldn't make any money. It won't be a success. It's the worst play ever. So it will close. And nobody's going to audit and say, wait a minute, you sold 100%. Nobody's going to ask. They just want to get away from it. They lost their money, it closed. But if it's a success, they now have to pay 100% of the proceeds to 14 different people. It's a scam. That's what's happened here. They have sold 100% of your house, or in this case, the gold, to several different people. When everybody says, I'm in trouble, I want my money back, I need my gold. Trouble, Trouble. I mean, it just seems like the type of thing that's almost impossible to unwind. Right. If it's. If it's that deep, how do you unwind it? Or you just protect yourself and your family. And for you, you check, you. You make sure that if your house is paid for, if you have anything paid for, you have the title. You know where the title is. You have the title, okay? So you're not in as bad of shape. If you own things, you own your car, good. Have the title. You own your house, good. Have the title. It's really good. If you're buying a house to make sure that that loan is staying local, that they're not reselling that loan, that it's staying with one bank, and it's not. It's not being sold in, you know, what were those called? Credit default swaps. I remember those things. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that it's not being sold like that, because that's what causes the problem. And, and so you just need assets. You need real assets. If you can buy gold, you should buy gold. Especially if they are going to start counting that on the balance sheet. If they change the price of gold to from $45 to $4500, that means they're going to have to do that worldwide. So gold all of a sudden becomes $4,500 an ounce. Okay. As your dollar goes down, your gold will go through the roof. This is much better. When Margot Robbie is telling me about it in a bathtub. That is the delivery. I could run the water now. I know. Please don't. Please. Oh, my gosh. Sarah just threw up on the board stations. We may have some technical difficulties.
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Ross Douthat
All right.
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Glenn Beck
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Ross Douthat
I'm great, Glenn. Thanks so much for having me.
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Glenn Beck
You bet. I find your book and your premise here to be so true, just right off the bat, that it is easier to live with faith than to live without it. And when you. When you really start to question and engage your mind on faith, it. You're. You're engaged. You. You have to reject so much science, I think, and common sense. If you dismiss God.
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Ross Douthat
Yeah, I obviously. I think that's right. I think we're in a moment right now in our culture where it's kind of an inflection point. It's interesting. We've lived through about, you know, 20 or 25 years where religion has been in decline, people have been leaving churches, you know, there's been scandal, sex abuse, politics, all of these things. And right now it seems to me that you've got a kind of a reconsideration where a lot of people, especially younger people, are taking a new look at religion or are sort of interested in it again. But there's this hurdle that it gets to what you're saying, Glenn, that people feel like they need to get over where people are like, well, it'd be nice to be religious, but I feel like I have to leave my reason at the door. I have to, you know, leave science behind. I have to take this leap into the dark. And a big part of what I'm doing in this book is saying, no, in fact, that's not true. In fact, the world, the universe, the human place in the cosmos actually makes much more sense under religious premises than it does if you start out with the assumption that, you know, it's all random, accidental and so on. And in fact, most of what science has suggested, physics, especially in the last 50 or 100 years, is that we are in fact, here for a reason. The universe is in fact, made and not accidental. And that, I think, should lay a stronger foundation for people who are, you know, who would like to believe.
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Glenn Beck
Right.
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Ross Douthat
But struggle to get across the threshold.
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Glenn Beck
It's amazing to me because I think if God exists, which I believe he does, he has to be the greatest scientist because he created all this. And. And the math on the universe is exact and universal. It just doesn't seem to be something that could randomly just appear because it is so incredibly exact. I don't know if you've ever heard Thomas Jefferson's quote. He was writing his nephew, Peter Carr, and he said, you know, explaining different things. And he said, when it comes to religion, above all things, fix reason firmly in her seat, because if there is a God, he must surely rather honest questioning over blindfolded fear. And I. That changed my life. You know, you should be asking these hard questions because you can find a lot of the answers A lot you're never going to know. But science plays a real role in the discovery of God, right?
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Ross Douthat
Yeah, yeah. And there's, I mean one, and one thing that has shifted in the last few generations is it was always the case, I think, that science suggested that the universe was made by someone with, let's say, a very mathematical mind, right? That, you know, and the fact, just the fact that human beings in our limited reason could understand these universal laws, laws and figure out how calculus works, figure out theoretical physics, all of these things, all of those things I think already pointed towards some kind of divine architect. But then you get into just the fascinating reality that we've only recently figured out, which is that all of these values that sort of keep the universe together, the cosmological constant, the strong nuclear force, these sort of very particular aspects of physics are set in these really precise ways that if, and we're talking not like one in a hundred, we're talking, you know, one, you know, one in 100 billion to produce stars, planets, life itself. And if you tweak those in one direction or another in just a tiny way, you would have an empty dead cosmos, a cosmos that flies apart of cosmos that collapses in on itself. And our universe really is in this kind of Goldilocks jackpot zone for making us possible. And what was fascinating is that even atheistic non believing scientists basically acknowledge this and they've sort of taken refuge in the idea of, you know, the multiverse, right? Like one reason that every superhero movie now has this idea of the multiverse, right, is it has actually become really important for the atheist to believe. Well, we can't, we can't. We seem special, but in fact there must be, you know, a gazillion other universes we can't see. And the motto of modern atheism is basically better a gazillion universes we can't see than one God. That's sort of where atheism has ended up.
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Glenn Beck
So how would you deal with quantum physics or you know, quantum computing even? How do you deal with. Go ahead.
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Ross Douthat
Well, the quantum revolution is also, that's, that's another really fascinating case, right, where quantum physics is sort of the place where our reason, our ability to fully understand the world hits a kind of limit, at least so far, right? You end up with these really weird things where, you know, something is something, a wave or a particle is something there or in a different place. It all, you know, depending on. It all depends on observation, right? Like, like whether, you know, basically, to really oversimplify it seems like at the. At the deepest level of reality. There's a kind of possibility that only collapses into reality. When we ourselves are looking at it and measuring it and studying.
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Glenn Beck
Gives the quote, you know, or the old saying, you know, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody's there to hear it, did it actually happen? It actually gives teeth to that in a way, right?
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Ross Douthat
Quantum physics said maybe it did or maybe it didn't. It depends on whether we were there to see it. But the implication. The implication of that is, in fact, a religious implication. Because it says, look, mind actually precedes matter, right? And human. The human mind participates. Every time you're looking around at the world. We are, in a. In a bizarre but fascinating way. Participating in the literal creation or an existence of the world. And obviously, this has implications for creation itself, right? Because there was a very long period of, you know, cosmological history. Where human beings weren't around observers. But the religious perspective has always been that it's the mind of God that holds that. That holds reality together in total. Right. And that, I think, is something that is deeply consonant with what quantum physics has figured out. About how our own minds relate to reality. We are, in fact, made in the image of God. In the sense that we, like God, participate in taking possibilities and turning them into physical realities. Which. It sort of blows your mind. But it is, in fact, like the most. I think, the most plausible interpretation of what quantum physics suggests.
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Glenn Beck
Fascinating. Give me your explanation on why you think that it is easier to live life with than without faith.
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Ross Douthat
Well, I mean, there's. There's two levels, right? Like, there's a sort of practical case for religion. That a lot of people who aren't deeply religious can still get behind, right? Which is to say, you know, it's good to have a sense of meaning and purpose. A sense of your own cosmic significance. And I think, you know, a lot of. One reason among many that you see a lot of depression and anxiety and even suicidality among younger people these days. Is that they're the first generation in American history where large numbers of them have been raised, you know, not even with, like, a weak form of faith. But with no exposure to religion at all. No basic Sunday school, you know, nothing. Nothing like that. Right. And there's a way in which religious belief just offers you a basic grounding in your own life. You have a place. You're here for a reason. It's not an accident. You know, human civilization is not just like a candle that's about to be snuffed. Out by climate change or something. And then related to that, there's, you know, faith as a form of community. Right. There's solidarity, there's support. All of the kind of things that Alexis de Tocqueville wrote about in American Life. Right. Though the role that religious institutions play in building social capital, all of that is real. So that's step one. But in the book I'm trying to push a little bit beyond that because I think I have a lot of readers I write for. The New York Times obviously has a fairly secular readership. I have a lot of readers who. Yeah, it's an understatement. Fine. But, but a lot of religious readers as well, I can assure you. And, but there's a lot of people who will go that far with you. They'll say, yeah, religion, it's good for you. It's good for you to, it's good to take your kids to church, gives them a moral grounding. It's good to, you know, have some faith and purpose in the universe. But in the end, isn't it still kind of unreasonable? And the case I'm making in the book is no, in fact, the practical benefits of religion are there because religion is in fact a better description of reality than secularism and atheism. And in fact, you know, there's a line attributed to the scientist John von Neumann, right. Who he said something like this is actually something he supposedly said to his mother. So there's some debate whether he said it or not, but the line goes, you know, there probably is a God. A lot of things make a lot more sense if there is one. And that's what I'm trying to persuade people of here, that in fact, it's not just that religion is good for you in an immediate day to day sense, it's that it's good for you because there probably is a God. You're probably going to meet him when you die. You probably should be organizing your life to some degree around that reality. And that is in fact the reasonable thing for people to do.
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Glenn Beck
But wait, but wait, you know, that's, that's like I've always joked, you know, if I'm an atheist, I'm just going to hedge my bet a little bit. You know, I'm going to live my life.
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Ross Douthat
Wager.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah. Just in case. Right. So that's. But that's not what you're saying, is it?
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Ross Douthat
Well, I, well, I am, I am saying. So there's a kind of depth hedging where you're like, okay, you know, maybe there's a one in a thousand chance that there's a God. And if there is that chance, I should pay attention to it because, you know, even a one in a thousand chance of entering a eternity is a pretty big deal. No, I'm going much further than that. I'm saying there is a very, very strong probability that there is a God. And that strong probability is the starting place for going out there, going to church, reading books, praying, and seeing if you can have a relationship with this God. Right? So in the end, you can't, look, you can't think your way to a relationship with God because it's a relationship, but you can think and reason your way to the point where you can say, this is something I should be looking for. This is something I should be doing. It makes sense to seek to knock and see if the door is opened unto you.
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Glenn Beck
You're streaming the Best of Glenn Beck. To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts. Wherever you get podcasts, we have Mr. Alan Dershowitz on with us. Welcome, Alan, how are you?
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Alan Dershowitz
I'm great. I can't wait for the entire list to be produced. I want everything out there, I want every videotape, I want photograph. Because they will prove that I had nothing to do with anything. Indeed, the woman who accused me has now admitted publicly withdrawn her lawsuit. Admitted publicly that she may have confused me with somebody else, misidentified me. I wanted to show that, yes, I was on the island once with my wife and my 10 year old daughter when Jeffrey Epstein, who was, I was his lawyer, had just bought the island and he wanted to show me the island. There was nobody on the island except for me, Epstein and his workers and a professor at Harvard named Michael Porter and his wife. We had an intellectual dinner, left the next day. And so if my name is just on the list. Oh, somebody who was on the island. No, I want everything out there. I want to explain. Yes, I was on the island and yes, I was on his airplane. I flew down on his airplane in order to represent him in front of the court and in front of the district attorney in Palm Beach County. I was his lawyer and as his lawyer, of course I was in his home. I never saw a young person, I never saw a naked or semi naked person. I never saw anything inappropriate. I never did anything inappropriate. And the only woman who accused me is now admitted that she may have confused me with someone else, misidentified me and caused me over a million dollars in legal fees, expenses and all kinds of difficulties. So I want everything out there. I want every word, every videotape, every tape, every black book, everything. I want the world to see everything so they can make a judgment. But what we shouldn't see is selective disclosures. Oh, here's an address book that has so and so's name in it. Bill Clinton's name is in it. I'll never forget a situation. I was having dinner. This is an interesting story. I was having dinner at the home of Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of the President. And the other guest at the dinner was Bill Clinton, and he was President of the United States. And my wife was there. And the Secret Service man comes over to the President and gives him the phone, says, somebody wants to talk to you. Clinton walks away for about 15 minutes, and then he comes back and says, alan, somebody wants to talk to you. And so I was curious, who the heck was President Clinton talking to for 15 minutes? He has the phone to me. It's Jeffrey Epstein. And I said, Mr. Epstein, what's up? He said, well, I need your legal this and this and that. And I had this legal issue and that legal issue. We talked for a couple of minutes, made an appointment, and that was the end of the discussion. But, you know, he's had conversations, obviously, in business dealings with Bill Gates. He's had business dealings with Fidel Castro. He went down to Cuba and met with Fidel Castro to try to help him on economic issues. He met with presidents and governors and senators, and let's have it all out there. Let people explain it. I've spent, what, five years explaining my situation. And, you know, obviously the world now knows that I was completely, totally, categorically, falsely accused by a woman I never met, never heard of, and never saw, and was never in the same place with in my entire life.
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Glenn Beck
Okay?
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Alan Dershowitz
So let's not jump to conclusions.
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Glenn Beck
All right, so what does it mean? Do you think his client list. What does that mean? Do you think.
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Alan Dershowitz
I don't know that there is such thing. I've never seen such a thing as a client list. Nobody claims that anybody paid for anything, so I don't know what a client list would mean. I think there is a. I know I've seen an address book. And the address book, you know, has everybody in the world's name in it. You know, princes and kings and economic moguls and you name it. So there's that book. There are also appointment books, and there are plane logs. And, for example, I'm on the plane logs, but always with other lawyers and never with anybody young. I've never been on a plane with him, with anybody young or anybody suspicious. So I would love to see the plain logs all out there. I'd love to see the address book out there. I want to see what kind of company I'm in, whoever, which other lawyers. You know, he was represented by some of the biggest law firms in the country. Kirkland Ellis and. And some of the others. And the names of the lawyers, of course, are going to be on lists. But one shouldn't confuse. There is, as far as I know, I wish there were a list that said list of people who had sex under Jeffrey Epstein's auspices. I would love to see that list because of course, I wouldn't be on it. And you know, Jeffrey once said to me, alan, you have the happiest and best marriage of anybody. Of all my friends, Epstein was against marriage. He said, you're the only person I've seen have a good marriage. So, you know, there's no way he would ever have suggested in a trillion years I had sex with no human being other than my wife. From the day I met Jeffrey Epstein. I've sworn that under oath. I proved it by my calendar references. Nonetheless, I get every day, I get emails, I get websites accusing me of being a pedophile. I have a lawsuit now against some anti Israel person gets. The anti Israel group has gotten together and they all say, oh, Dershowitz, how can you trust Dershowitz? He was on Epstein's list. So they're still using the fact that I was Epstein's lawyer as a way of trying to diminish my reputation as a pro Israel advocate. That's why it's important that everything be out there. And everybody in the world know that I never had any contact with anybody that was sexual or improper in the years that I knew Jeffrey Epstein.
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Glenn Beck
I am pleased to hear you say this because a guilty man would not say, release everything.
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Alan Dershowitz
I said, by the way, the day I was falsely accused. It's now 11 years ago that day. I said, release everything, show everything. I will produce all my memo books. I have been memo books going back from the time I started teaching at Harvard. And I will claim no privileges. I will not claim any privileges. You can ask me any question. You can ask me about anything that happened. I'm an open book. And you can do the same with my wife and my children. And of course, my wife was interviewed and she and everybody else confirmed everything. I have records, American Express records, purchase records proving that I couldn't have been in any of the places that people claimed I was in, and in an inappropriate situation, I was never in those places at all. And certainly never during a period of time when anything improper could have taken place. So the more that's out there, the better for an innocent person.
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Glenn Beck
Okay, so the thing that is surprising to me is you did go through five years of hell of people. You had to, you had to prove you're innocent.
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Alan Dershowitz
10 years.
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Glenn Beck
10 years.
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Alan Dershowitz
How do you prove your innocence?
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Glenn Beck
Exactly right. So that's you.
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Alan Dershowitz
And yeah, but I did, I was able to just fortunately, I keep very careful records.
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Glenn Beck
Right.
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Alan Dershowitz
I'm a lawyer. I have to account for every hour, but I have careful records of every hour which could prove. And not only that they're all backed up by American Express, they're all backed up by travel records.
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Glenn Beck
But this is, this is what I wanted to talk to you about. Not you, but the possibility of witch hunts for other people that might be in your category. Look, I did business with him, et cetera, et cetera. But I. Because everybody's going to claim that. Everybody's going to say, oh, no, I know, I was down there and I. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, some innocent people might be scooped up into this. If it is his address book. How do you, how do we stop saying to everybody, well, you're going to have to prove your innocence?
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Alan Dershowitz
I think in America, we have freedom of speech and we have transparency. You let it all hang out and let the public judge, based on the totality of the evidence, the one thing that couldn't happen, that shouldn't happen, and that did happen in this case. The judge in this case said, I'm letting this out, but I'm not letting that out. And the judge withheld information that would have proved innocence. And that's what I'm afraid is happening in this case. There are going to be people who are going to say, we want this to be out because it shows suspicious conduct. But we're not going to let this out because it deals with, for example, the credibility of the accusers. And we're not going to let that out because we don't want anybody to attack the credibility of accusers, God forbid, even if there's a false accusation. So the great fear is partial release. It's like free speech. The worst thing is have free speech for me, but not for thee. And only some people get to have free speech. And here you have only some information that could be, that raise questions about people should be released. But the information that proves the innocence is going to be withheld that's the problem.
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Glenn Beck
Do you know for a fact there were tapes?
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Alan Dershowitz
I hope so. I was told there were tapes. There were definitely some tapes. The question is what the tapes were of. We know it's a matter of record that there was somebody who worked for him who stole things. And so the police in Palm beach installed tapes to try to catch the robber. Now, whether they installed them in bedrooms as well as in living areas, I don't know the answer to that question. I hope there were tapes with every single second. And let's remember among who were accused, and not only was I falsely accused, but the former majority leader, the Senate, Mitchell, he was accused of having sex. And by the way, they were all accused of having unprotected sex with somebody who allegedly had sex with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. Imagine any reasonable person having unprotected sex. So it was Mitchell. It was. Senator Richardson was accused. The Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Barak was accused.
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Glenn Beck
Prince Andrew, David Copperfield, Leonardo DiCaprio, Al Gore, Richard Branson, Stephen Hawking, which. That one, I believe, Michael Jackson.
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Alan Dershowitz
I mean, they had a story of me and this man in a wheelchair together attending an orgy. I mean, I just imagine the idea of me trying to jump over the wheelchair to get at some young. You know, some of it is the most bizarre, preposterous thing. And, you know, some of the allegations themselves, you know, prove questions about the credibility. But the important point is all should come out. Everything. There shouldn't be anything withheld. Right now the courts are withholding certain of the incident information because they don't want information out there that could cast doubts on the credibility of the accusers. And that's just not fair. Yeah, if you're going to accuse, you have to have everything out there. You can't have it selective.
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Glenn Beck
I have to tell you, I am for radical transparency. I'm concerned about witch hunts, but I am for radical transparency. Because these names held in secret and having some things held in secret, not everything out, it just provides the opportunity for blackmail and everything else. It's too much information for any one agency or any government or anybody to hold and have over the heads of people. Because when you don't know what's in there and you don't know, you know, there might be exonerating things for you in this information, but they can hold it back. That's. That's really, really dangerous.
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Alan Dershowitz
Terrible. Look, I was subject to blackmail as a result of all this. I was canceled as a speaker at the 92nd Street Y. Canceled As a speaker at Temple Emanuel in New York, the largest reform temple in the United States. Canceled all over the country as a speaker, cancelled basically by the New York Times, just as a result of an accusation, which has now been the legally withdrawn. And the woman admitted that, you know, she may have confused me with somebody else, but just as the result of the accusation. That's why I wrote a book called Guilt by Accusation. Not Now. I don't stand by everything in the book because a lot of things have changed since that book was published seven or eight years ago. But again, who would publish a book laying it all out if they had anything to hide? I have nothing to hide about my sex life. And, you know, you talk about perfect attendance. Use the word perfect in terms of attendance. You would say I had perfect attendance. I've had a perfect sex life in the sense that since the day I met Jeffrey Epstein, I never, ever, ever violated any vows or did anything improper. And anybody who knows me knows that. And yet half the world believes that I was guilty of charges, even though they've been essentially. The woman admitted she may have confused me with somebody else.
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Glenn Beck
Alan, I know I'm gonna. I'm gonna get heat from some members of this audience for having you on, because I do every time. Because they're like, they're convinced. And I'm like, well, you know what? A court wasn't convinced. She took her. Her accusations back. And he's been straight up, I think, with all of us. And I don't think that there's, you.
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Alan Dershowitz
Know, what else happened. People don't forget this.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah.
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Alan Dershowitz
Four or five days after I was accused, I wrote an op ed for the Wall Street Journal, inviting. Inviting the FBI to investigate me.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah.
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Alan Dershowitz
Saying I will have no privileges. I will answer every question. I will produce every document. Have you ever heard of a guilty person asking for an investigation?
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Glenn Beck
No.
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Alan Dershowitz
By the FBI. And I was upset the FBI didn't investigate me because if they did, obviously they would have concluded as. Now, I think any reasonable person concluded that I was either either the victim of a false identification, the woman admitted she may have confused me with somebody else, or a deliberate plot. I've been subject to blackmail. I've said to every blackmailer, produce it. Of course, I'm not paying you a nickel. I never paid a nickel to any. And I never pay a nickel to anybody who falsely accused me. That's the wrong tactic to take. Always.
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Glenn Beck
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Alan Dershowitz
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Glenn Beck
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