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Best of the Program | Guests: Rep. Anna Paulina Luna & Nicole Shanahan | 5/8/25
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Glenn Beck
Today's the 80th anniversary of Victory Day in Europe, VE Day, and it is important to be on the right side of history. Or wait, do we know what the right side of history is? How does this all connect to Pam Bondi's comments on the Epstein files? And Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna on Let's get Rid of the Patriot Act. And some shocking comments from Nicole Shanahan. She joins me on today's podcast to talk about our new Attorney General. Shocking, at least to me. All on today's podcast, let me tell you about my Patriot Supply. Just when you think, you think, you know, things can't get any weirder in the country, they usually do. Chinese government has been buying up American farmland by hundreds of thousands of acres. And not just land. They're, you know, they're, they're moving in on fertilizer supply chains, farming equipment, animal feed, all the stuff that keeps our food system running. It's not a mystery, you know, it's a strategy. They're tightening their grip on global food production. And if the day comes when and that power gets used as a weapon, we better have a backup plan. That's why I trust my Patriot Supply. They're America's largest emergency preparedness company. Right now. When you order their four week emergency food supply, you'll get free. Four free 72 hour food kits. That's an extra 12 days of food and it's absolutely free. Delicious, ready to eat meals that last up to 25 years, deliver over 2,000 calories every day, and they ship fast and free right to your door. You can't control what China does, can't control what anybody else does, but you can control how prepared you are. My patriotsupply.com go there today. Get your 12 days of free food at my patriotsupply.com my patriotsupply.com hello America. You know, we've been fighting every single day. We push back against the lies, the censorship, the nonsense of the mainstream media that they're trying to feed you. We work tirelessly to bring you the unfiltered truth because you deserve it. But to keep this fight going, we need you right now. Would you take a moment and rate and review the Glenn Beck podcast? Give us five stars and lead a comment. Because every single review helps us break through Big Tech's algorithm to reach more Americans who need to hear the truth. This isn't a podcast. This is a movement. And you're part of it, a big part of it. So if you believe in what we're doing, you Want more people to wake up? Help us push this podcast to the top rate review. Share together we'll make a difference. And thanks for standing with us. Now let's get to work. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program. You know, Stu and I were just talking about being on the right side of history, and you don't know what the right side of history is going to be. You have no idea. I mean, you can guess, but there are people that are guessing. You know, cutting little Johnny's pee pee off and, you know, sewing breasts on him is the right side of history. I don't think so. And the reason why I don't think so is because of eternal truths. And there is. Once you. Once you understand that there are certain truths. Okay, I mean, let's just boil them down to let's. Moe's 10 big ideas. Okay. Mo. Yeah, I like to call him Mo. He went up, let's say he just went up to this hill and he was like, I gotta write 10 things down. But I didn't bring any pencil or paper. And so he starts writing them on these big rock tablets.
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Stu Burguiere
Oh, wow.
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Glenn Beck
You know, he's like, I got 10 of them. I could write more, but it's hard to carve these in stone.
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Stu Burguiere
10 will get you there most of the way.
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Glenn Beck
If we just had most top 10 hits and we lived them, it's. It makes life so easy. It really does. I remember before I became a Christian and before I really was practicing my faith, I thought, oh my gosh, there's so many rules. So many. Why I got a what I can't say what I can't feel what. And you feel like you're overwhelmed with rules. It is the most freeing thing ever.
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Stu Burguiere
It's a lot of the complication out of the decision making process. That's for sure.
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Glenn Beck
It does. Hey, you want to go out and do. No. Well, what about this? No. You know, she's kind of hot. You could probably sleep. No. Who's gonna know? No, I know, right?
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Stu Burguiere
No, I mean, that's at least what you should be trying to do. Everyone hits that standard. Of course.
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Glenn Beck
Hey, maybe we should stand up for. Yes. Maybe we should help. Yes. Maybe we should exploit. No. I mean, it is so easy.
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Stu Burguiere
It takes all the pressure out of you and it simplifies everything. You're not making the decision based on.
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Glenn Beck
Of course, religion is for the simple minded still.
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Stu Burguiere
Well, you know, pretty simple minded. I don't know. But I mean, I think it's like a lot of people Wind up. I think there's a lot of this in politics where you're kind of playing this game of, like, what will this look like in this amount of time when I'm gonna get reelected in 20 years? What's history going to think of me? You know, that's not the right way to make a decision.
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Glenn Beck
Well, you know, I don't mind that you look at it from a histor. I mean, I, as a, you know, wannabe historian, you look at things in history, and the reason why you learn. You're supposed to learn all these things is not for the dates and the names. I don't care about the Ocean Blue in 1492. That's not the important part of the story, unless you want to realize why those ships were available. Because there was also a Jewish extermination done by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in the same year of 1492. Then maybe the date is important because it ties you to other things that seem to repeat all the time. However, I don't care about the dates. I don't care about the names. Take out your pencils, kids. This is gonna be on the test. No, no, don't take out your pencils, kids. It's not gonna be on the test. Here's what should be on the test. How did we get here? How did this happen? Why were they. What were they arguing about? Why did that war happen over there? Is there any parallel from there to now? What were the things that are happening then that are happening now? Is there anything. Were there any warning signs in society that that was about to go to hell? That's what the Bible is. The Bible is just a collection of stories of this. Honestly, when you read it, you're like, you're the dumbest people alive. What is wrong with you? 25 pages ago, you were all wiped out for the very same thing. And then people are like, no, I don't remember that. And you think to yourself, these people are so stupid. It was three chapters ago.
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Nicole Shanahan
That's us.
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Glenn Beck
That's us. Three chapters ago. We were fighting World War II with the same exact. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm. I'm telling you right now that a man can have a baby. You don't think that happened? Look it up. Look it up. The University of Sexology in Berlin. That's why the book burning happened. Did you know that? That's why homosexuals should be afraid of Nazis and Christians because they did this whole crazy, I'm gonna sew a uterus into a man, and then I'm gonna make all of these documents and these books, and I'm gonna write about it, and I'm gonna put it into the schools and have it taught to all of the children in Berlin. And the Christians were like, no, we should stop this. And nothing stopped. And so what happens? Somebody always rises to the top. Like, you know what? Trust me, I'll stop it. And so the Christians went to the Nazis and they were like, we can control them. I mean, we're just going to use them for this thing. They'll help us get. And it was the Nazis that went in. And the first books that were burned were all of the books that are in our schools again now. So if you're a homosexual, you have an absolute right and you have a pretty good reason to distrust the Nazis and to distrust any. Any Christian that is like, you know what? The ends justify the means. I think we need to pair up with these people. No. What does an internal truth tell you? The ends never justify the means. That is the number one thing that Sol Alinsky taught, a book, by the way, dedicated to Satan. What's the one that. What's the biggest thing. The ends justify the means. They never do. There's an internal truth. Just live with that one. Just that one. Forget about Mo. Forget about Mo. Just that one. The ends never justify the means, which leads you to just do the next right thing you can. I. You listen to me. Every day. Do you know how many people I just want to go off on all the time? I mean, I really wanted to walk into that Channel store I told you about yesterday and say, you know, Coco Channel, she was a Nazi. But I didn't. I didn't. I don't have to do that. Even when you are. When you are right in the argument, the next right thing is to not pound people. It's not because our. Our other eternal truth is treat others like you would have them treat you. I don't want people treating me like that. If I'm wrong, I don't want them to come and pound me and make me into a pariah. I would love for them to come to me and go, hey, Glenn, Glenn, Glenn, I know you. I know. I know you're a logical person. I don't think like you do, but I want to just talk to you about. How did you get here? Oh, I see. Wow. I didn't know that about you. I didn't know. I see how you're connecting that now. Well, help me out. If I would say to you, no. Instead of connecting that. Have you thought about connecting it this way? Then I can have a conversation and I can get better. That's what we're supposed to be doing. I have no idea why I'm talking to you about this. This is not on my list of things to say to you today. But maybe somebody needs to hear it. Maybe I need to hear, maybe I'm only talking to an audience of one. But the ends never justify the means and just do the next right thing.
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Stu Burguiere
I think it's true and I think it does apply to our day to day politics and life as well. I mean, you think about, think of how far the right and big companies went, embracing a lot of the DEI stuff that we've talked about over the years. And it was not a principle of. Wait a minute, we're judging people? We shouldn't be judging people by the color of their skin. We all know that's wrong. People abandoned that because they were like, well, look where the things are going. Let's get on the right side of history here. We don't want to be the last one who implements these policies. We don't want to be the last one out there saying that men can't really be women and women can't really be men.
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Glenn Beck
We don't want to be punished for not putting the black square up. Right. Right.
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Stu Burguiere
We want to make sure that Instagram feed is right. Exactly.
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Glenn Beck
Anything good come from fear. If you are operating in the world of fear, are you, are you going to be doing the next right thing? Are you capable of even seeing what the next right thing is? If you just have your head down all the time and just. I don't want to get hit. I don't want to get hit. I don't want to get hit. How?
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Stu Burguiere
I mean, yeah, I mean you've. And you have talked about. I know this is not the point you're making, but sometimes there is a. Fears can be very useful when your building's on fire. That's the bit we talked about this book last week or the week before. Thinking fast and slow. Right. Your brain works in two different ways. There's those fast decisions that you're making. Those are the instincts, the fight or flight. Right. Those things are important to people. If you exist in that world all the time and you don't embrace the other side of your brain that's thinking.
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Glenn Beck
Slowly, methodically, logically, you're nothing more than an animal. Yeah.
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Stu Burguiere
Yes.
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Glenn Beck
And animals eat their young. Just want to throw that one out there. I mean, here's. You want to Talk about. Just do the next right thing. Let me play cut one. This is Pam Bondi about the Epstein case. Listen to this.
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Pam Bondi
Yeah, the FBI, they're reviewing. There are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, and there are hundreds of victims, and no one victim will ever get released. It's just the volume. And that's what they're going through right now. The FBI is diligently going through that. I haven't seen that statement, but I'll call him later and find out.
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Glenn Beck
Okay, so in today's world. Well, no, that's just man boy love. That's just. What do they call that now? What is it? We used to. It was man boy love. Now it's.
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Stu Burguiere
Oh, yeah, there's a weird term for it now.
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Glenn Beck
You know, youthful attracted adults or something like that.
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Stu Burguiere
Maps. Right, maps.
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Glenn Beck
Minor attracted persons. Yeah, maps. What a bunch of bull crap. If that isn't. If that isn't. Let me think my way through this so I can touch little children. I don't. I. I mean, please.
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Stu Burguiere
And if that turns out to be the right side of history, I don't want to be on it. Yeah, you make that decision based on other things.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah, it's always wrong. And, you know, I'm not going to judge it. Well, I might judge you, but you.
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Stu Burguiere
Should judge that one.
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Glenn Beck
I feel like, yeah, I'm gonna judge you on that one, but I, you know, I'm not the final say on that one. There's another judge coming, you know, at some point, and there was something about a millstone, but that's different. I just want to bring it back to Pam Bondi here. Pam Bondi, I think, and this was the benefit of the doubt I gave her. And this shows me that maybe this is why they didn't release the Epstein files, because they are building cases now. If you're building a case against Epstein, is that the next right thing? She is saying that they are reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children. Now, I don't think he was with tens of thousands. I didn't hear the word perpetrator come from her. I heard the word victims. I heard her say tens of thousands of videos. I heard her use the words child porn, and I heard her use the word epstein. I did not hear the words that had anything to do with others involved. And that's the next right thing. The next right thing is we're going through these because we want to protect all of the kids that were, you know, abused. But the best way to protect them is a not release their faces and their identity. But also there were other people in those videos abusing those kids or taking the videos. And the FBI is currently building cases against those tens of thousands of people. That's what has to happen. And I'm waiting because that's the right side of history. And I'm waiting for that to actually happen. Because when that happens, your trust in our system will grow just a little bit. Our system needs to replant seeds in good fertile tilled soil that says, no, this is a good seed. Now justice. And plant it again. And over time that will grow. And that's how we restore our nation. Someone's coming towards you very fast, very aggressively. You don't know what they want, but you know it's not good. Now here's the question. Do you want to kill them? Probably not. But you don't want to stop them, right? In that split second, you're stuck between two options that are both terrible. Do nothing or do something lethal. That's why there's a burner launcher. Burna Launcher is a non lethal self defense device that fires powerful pepper and chemical irritant rounds. It looks and feels like a handgun, but it's designed to incapacitate and not kill. And I mean incapacitate up to 60ft away. You can hit them with tear gas and it will incapacitate them honestly for about 45 minutes. That's enough time for police to get there. Burna just introduced their new compact launcher. I can't recommend it highly enough. It is great. It is great for concealed carry, by the way. You don't have to have a license for it. There's no hoopsie. You just have to be over 18. Burna B Y R N A dot com Glenn Berna dot com Glenn now back to the podcast. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program and we really want to thank you for listening. Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna is with us. Her first term as a representative for Florida's 13th congressional district. She is with us now, a member of the House Freedom Caucus and she's just introduced the American Privacy Restoration act that will fully repeal the Patriot Act. Congresswoman, welcome to the program.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Hey Glenn, happy to be back.
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Glenn Beck
Thank you. So, I mean, is there any chance this is gonna happen?
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Anna Paulina Luna
Well, I think previously there likely wasn't an appetite for this. But right now, especially with the momentum we're seeing out of the White House, and then also you're seeing people like Secretary Gabbard, even Secretary Radcliffe that are doing great and doing right by the American people, the administration. I think there's an appetite for it. So I actually just got done lobbying many of my colleagues the floor and even talking to some Democrats about this. And so we got a number of sponsors for this, not just Republican, but Democrats. You're going to see those rollouts pretty soon. But we're also reaching out to various constitutional rights organizations, civil liberty organizations that are going to be co sponsoring this as well. And I think that if we create enough pressure that we can indeed not just bring this to the forefront of discussion, but also to push for there to be a floor vote on it. We just have to get many people to sponsor it. So I'm not in the mentality of accepting defeat and I think something that has been well overdue.
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Glenn Beck
Have you talked to Tulsi Gabbard about it?
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Anna Paulina Luna
I haven't talked to Tulsi directly about this yet, but I am going to be speaking with her and seeing if she'd be willing to voice her support for it as well.
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Glenn Beck
Would that eliminate her office? Because her office wasn't that part of the Patriot Act. She was the go between. The dni, which she is Director of National Intelligence, is the one that is the go between between all of the agencies to make sure that they're all talking to each other.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Correct, Correct. And there obviously, as you know, are many other agencies that were created because of it. And so again, in addressing this directly now, also there's an issue of the timing for the votes. But I think at the end of the day, if we are looking at overall what the Patriot act did and how it was rushed into law after 9, 11 and the end effects of that, I think that that is something that needs to. To be addressed. Right. So I actually even talked to Representative Crenshaw about this and he's like, look, I'd be willing to look at the legislation and bill. And obviously, you know, he wasn't close to the idea of it. And I think that that's pretty telling because you have Dan Crenshaw in the House intelligence community as well. And so when you have people like that that are starting to address this, I think that we know that it's wrong. And ultimately you have to have someone that's going to help lead out the fight in this in Congress. And so going back to your initial question, will it eliminate for office? I don't think it would eliminate it immediately, but I do think ultimately, if we're going to fully repeal it, it will shut down different organizations and different offices. Yes.
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Glenn Beck
So is there Anything in the Patriot act that we should have a bill ready to go if you could repeal this, that has some. Is there anything good in the Patriot Act?
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Anna Paulina Luna
Some people would argue that there is some good to it. I would argue that it was a mass overreach and an expansion of the surveillance.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah.
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Anna Paulina Luna
I think right now I've been able to chat loosely on the floor with people like Representative Andy Biggs. As you know, he's a privacy hawk as well.
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Glenn Beck
Right.
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Anna Paulina Luna
And a constitutional advocate for constitutional rights. And so we are open to working with other members to come up with a legislation that could overhaul it yet.
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Glenn Beck
Have you. Do you know the history of the Patriot act when it was written?
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Anna Paulina Luna
Yeah.
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Glenn Beck
Isn't that crazy?
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Anna Paulina Luna
Yeah. So what's interesting, Glenn, is part of the reason why I know about it is because after 9, 11, I remember hearing my dad talking about it, and I remember hearing my dad being really stressed out about what it was going to do to our personal freedoms in this country.
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Glenn Beck
Right.
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Anna Paulina Luna
And you know, that whole idea notion that Big Brother is watching, I think it's, you know, people say, oh, well, that might be a conspiracy theory mindset. And I would argue that it's not our job to just blindly trust government. And as you're seeing, not just with President Trump, but with other members of Congress and then the more that's flushing out about the deep state and really what's happened within our intelligence agencies, I can tell you, after even just on my own going through some of the declassified documents going back to rfk, JFK and mlk, that we are seeing that there's been a systemic problem. And so when you give that type of power to the federal government and then it's codified into law, it's an issue. And so if we're really going to live in a free and fair society, we have to make sure that we are reversing some of the bad those put forward in the name of safety and security.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah. And this was, this was something that was written to. Stu. You can maybe correct my memory on this. I mean, I'm going back 20 years, but I think that the Patriot act was written by a guy in Virginia in the 90s, like 98, 97, 99, somewhere in that area, before we had any problem, it was. It was to. And nobody would. Nobody would hear of it. And so they. That's why when you say it was rushed, it really. It was rushed to the average American and to most of the people in Congress, but it wasn't. It was. They blew the dust off of something that they had been trying to do in the past, and no one would hear of it because it had such vast overreach in it. But we just named it the Patriot Act. And there was like, that's patriotic. I got to do that.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Congress does many things with, you know, the Inflation Reduction act doing quite the opposite. So, yes, sir, there are some serious issues and concerns on it. And after we introduced it yesterday, I think a lot of people actually on the floor were like, are you serious about this? And I said, well, I introduced it, aren't I? So there is conversation, and I think before previously where people thought it would be career suicide to even touch the sacred cow. The Patriot Act, I think now people are actually inclined to take it on. And so I think it's a small window of time and opportunity, but we're not here to do the small things. Yeah. To placate to any special interest, and definitely not the intelligence communities. And I hope that people listen to their constituents. So phone your rep, tell them and sponsor it.
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Glenn Beck
So you're seeing Congress now with the big, beautiful bill, and I'm hearing that they just don't even want to cut what Doge is saying to cut. I mean, are we gonna see real cuts at all coming from Congress, and are we gonna see the Reins act coming from Congress? Is there anything that is real that is gonna come out of Congress?
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Anna Paulina Luna
It will, if the members pressure the leadership and some of these appropriators to do the right thing. So you're probably gonna see a messy fight spill out into the public apparatus here pretty soon. But what I can tell you is there are enough of us currently and a slim majority to where, if they don't do what President Trump is asking and what Doge is doing, then we will make sure that we hold their feet to the fire. But it's, Again, this is kind of an opportunity of a lifetime here. I don't think this is going to come around anytime soon.
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Glenn Beck
No, it's not. And if you guys blow, it really will be the problem of Congress. It will be the fault of Congress. If you have one chance to correct this, and if. I mean, if you correct it, you'll have the American people go out in droves and say, oh, I actually believe in you guys, you're going to actually do something. And if not, I just think there's going to be a big loss.
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Anna Paulina Luna
Well, if it's any consolation, Glenn, and for the listeners, I was at the White House yesterday for something unrelated, and I definitely saw Thune and Jason Smith and the speaker all leaving. And what I can tell you is many people might not be aware about the involvement, to the extent of the involvement in which the President has been. And what I will tell you is, you know, I've been with President Trump since 2016, on and off the campaign trail, and, you know, seeing how he operates not just as the president, but also behind the scenes, and he really is the best person to help negotiate this. So what I will say is there are many people, you are right, that are in Congress that are saying, you know, we can't cut this, we can't cut that. What I would say is we have a pretty easy win here. You remember all those subsidies and programs that went out in the inflation Reduction act that were literally giveaways, taxpayer funded trash that needs to completely be pulled back. But there are people that are weak at the knees with this. But remember, most bureaucrat and long term elected officials just want to get reelected. So if they know that they are facing not being reelected by their Republican base for not doing their jobs and they're in a Republican seat, they'll vote in favor of what we put on the floor. And so what I'm hoping for is President Trump's negotiating powers to come through. But as you're seeing, he's pretty much not faced any losses in the House in regards to what he wants the speaker to do. And I don't think that some of these more moderate members that are saying, you know, they're not going to cut this, they're not going to cut that, they love this job more than sometimes I think they love their own families. And so I think they'll be willing to, to do whatever it takes for them to get reelected.
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Glenn Beck
You know, I saw Cash Patel came out yesterday and he said we can't cut the FBI the way the White House wants us to cut the FBI. And I was a little shocked by that because it was Cash Patel who used to say, you know, if they, we're not building them a new building, they want a new building, they can just go, you know, work out of their cars if they have to. We're not doing a new building. And now that he's the director, he's now saying we can't cut. And there's an awful lot I think we can, we can cut. I mean, they're not doing the job in the first place. I don't think they're so. Ms. I don't know, miscalculating and misguided on everything they're doing. Yeah, that I Mean, the only way to get rid of these things is to cut the spending, to cut the people out that need to go. I'd rather, you know, I'd rather be with a group of, you know, 80 people that really get it than 150 people that I don't know. I don't know which of the 150 people are really on our side and is anybody sabotaging us?
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Anna Paulina Luna
Well, what I will tell you is I agree with you, right. The FBI, especially from some of the stuff that we've seen now flush out and we just heard recently that the FBI was complicit covering up the congressional baseball shooting that literally resulted police getting shot. There is a lot that the FBI needs to be and yes, that does have to do with funding. I would also argue that if their concern is spending here in Washington, well, guess what, the FBI should probably be decentralized and work in parts of the country where they can focus on doing their job. And so I would disagree with Director Patel and Cash is one of my friends on that and that yes, we need to look at across the board savings for the American people. But what I will also tell you is there's this idea that the Democrats are really hoping that, you know, low information voters will not understand and that they're saying, you know, we're going after people's Social Security because we're getting rid of fraud, waste and abuse. And that's simply not the case. So what's going to happen in the midterms? And look, I think that we will win the midterms if Congress specifically the Republican majority can stick together and codify those ending taxes on tips, Social Security and then also deliver wins on getting back a lot of the fraud, waste and abuse and spending. Right. And I think that we will. I'm cautiously optimistic because I've seen what's happening behind the scenes. But what I will tell you is again, going back to some of these members that are just paranoid about reelection, that is part of what I would say the biggest problem here is in D.C. so instead of them doing the right thing, right, being fiscally conservative or at least just common sense approach to how they spend money, they're doing quite the opposite and they are looking to, you know, again, further their own careers here in Washington. So what I would say is again, small majority the time that we can actually deliver these wins. But, but also we can't do this if the American people don't actively get involved in making their voices heard to their representatives in Congress. And because of My social media, Glenn, I hear commentary from across the country and what I realize is a lot of people don't even know how to find their representatives. So you can actually find your member of Congress by going to house.gov and you can type in your zip code and find out who represents you. And you can actually request meetings from their office show up, but make sure that they are working on behalf of you and not special interest here in Washington.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah, I have some things coming up in the near future that are gonna be a little helpful for people to contact others as well.
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Nicole Shanahan
Good.
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Glenn Beck
Anna, thank you so much. God bless you. Thank you.
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Anna Paulina Luna
God bless you too. I'll talk to you.
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Stu Burguiere
Bye.
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Glenn Beck
You bet. Representative Anna Paulina Luna from Florida and the Patriot Act. You're streaming the best of the Glenn Beck program and you can find full episodes wherever you download podcasts. Nicole Shanahan. Nicole, how are you?
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Nicole Shanahan
Very good, Glenn. How are you doing?
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Glenn Beck
I'm very good. It's great to have you here. So I want to ask you the Surgeon General thing, are you for KC Beans or not for Casey Beans?
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Nicole Shanahan
Well, I'll tell you who I am for Glenn. I'm for all of those Americans that hundreds of thousands of doctors seeking truth, honesty and dignity in our medical system. Once again, that is what I'm for. That is what propelled Maha into existence. That is what propelled Bobby Kennedy into the position of running for President of the United States. That's why I joined the campaign. It really is about listening to this group of doctors that did the right thing during the COVID pandemic, that spoke up when it was dangerous to speak up, that lost their licenses. And so when I hear from that base concern or research about individuals in and around Maha, I have to listen to them. And I do listen to them because oftentimes they are right. They're brave and they're principled. So the concern I've been hearing from that group of people is that Maha has, you know, any movement Maga had this issue too, of infiltration by different groups that are more self serving than they are for the movement itself. And so just one example. Casey Means is a founder of a company that does biometric harvesting. She's very close with many of the big data biometric harvesting companies in Silicon Valley. And this I know several of these people. You do not want them running in a government position that is responsible for everybody equally, right?
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Glenn Beck
Wait, wait, what is that they're harvesting? What?
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Nicole Shanahan
Well, so biometric data is anything between heart rate data to all of the data that is collected from your Fitbit or high glucose monitor. It could be labs. Yeah. And then there's all the DNA harvesting and big data that's being done. So, you know, I think that the base, Maha, really came from medical freedom and medical sovereignty and the idea that we have to keep conflicts of interest out of the government. And so when I see things, some stuff going on that we could be doing better. Right. Our job, and I learned this from the MAGA base, our job is to continue to seek the best possible people for government that are truly putting the principles of this country first. The principles of American sovereignty first.
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Glenn Beck
So you wrote yesterday. It's very strange. It doesn't make any sense. I was promised that if I supported RFK Jr in the Senate confirmation that neither of these siblings would be working under HHS or an appointment and that people much more qualified would be. I don't know if J, O, K, J, R. Sorry, RFK very clearly lied to me or what's going on. It has been clear in recent conversations that he is reporting to someone regularly who is controlling his decisions. And it isn't President Trump. With regards to the siblings, there is something very artificial and aggressive about them, almost as if they were bred and raised as Manchurian assets. Wow.
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Nicole Shanahan
So to keep in mind, that was not. I was responding to Dr. Suzanne Humphries, who was also expressing very similar sentiment.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nicole Shanahan
Concern there's better candidates. So what's going on? I also heard from other MDs in the field that. But there was another doctor that RFK had wanted for the position. Very, very qualified doctor. And, you know, she was caught by surprise as well by this other choice. So, you know, there's, again, they don't call it the swamp for no reason. Right. And I'm, you know, I'm not officially within the administration at all. In fact, I decided to take the path of staying an independent media person, which I think. And you know this, Glenn. It's really important that when you are an independent media voice that you, you stick by your principles and that you're not just a mouthpiece for any government organization, but you're really on the outside reflecting back the hopes and wishes of the community constituent.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah, there is. It's. And it's very hard to do. I mean, I take stances against the president and for the president. You always have to. You always have to balance. You know, I have my opinion, and I'm never going to be bought out by anybody. I'm never. But. But you also want to make sure that you're being Fair to the people that you trust. And I know you have trusted RFK for a very, very long time. And for. What struck me on this is, you know, I don't know if our AR RFK lied to me, which I don't. I hope he didn't, or what's going on. It's been clear in recent conversation that he's reporting to someone regularly who is controlling his decisions. That's a remarkable thing to say, especially about rfk, because he does not strike me as somebody who is afraid of somebody else.
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Nicole Shanahan
You know, I don't know if it's fear or what he's called political 4D chess. And, you know, again, they don't call it the swamp for no reason. It's just at some point there's certain decisions that I think are worth fighting for when you are in a very. And I do appreciate what a very complex political environment this is, and I do understand that even within these agencies, there are groups that are intentionally keeping and withholding information from the new leadership. So, you know, I fully appreciate how complicated it all is. But there are definitely things that the base is, you know, is like, this is an easy one. This could have gone better. Right. We don't truly, you know, and everyone's guessing what precisely this 4D chess is all about and why these moves are being made and trying to anticipate the next one. But it's, it's something that I think, you know, there's, there's just certain things that indicate that whomever he's getting, whoever is chess coaches, could be making some better decisions for him.
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Glenn Beck
So. But, but Casey, I mean, when I talk to the twins during, you know, or after Covid, they seemed pretty clear on what was bad and what was good. They, they. They both seemed to be good on, on Covid and the vaccines, didn't they?
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Nicole Shanahan
Whereas my memory talk, a great talk, let me tell you. I will say I was once a fan of the means is as well. It was only after I received many comments from individuals in and around the transition team, as well as new research that came up. And then really like, you know, when the base expresses these things and provides that degree of inquiry and shows that kind of concern, I think we owe it to them to listen.
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Glenn Beck
Yes, I agree. I agree.
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Nicole Shanahan
Yeah.
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Glenn Beck
So overall, how do you feel things are going?
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Nicole Shanahan
I think, you know, again, it's. There has been a lot of focus around food dyes. Meanwhile, there's millions of people suffering from vaccine injury that still feel very neglected.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah.
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Nicole Shanahan
So I do think, I do Appreciate the recent executive order regarding gain of function and limiting overseas research and shutting down a dangerous.
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Glenn Beck
And shutting down a very dangerous biolab here.
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Nicole Shanahan
Yes. And there are many of these bio labs that are kind of flying under the radar. So it is a big step in the right decision. I am a huge Jay Bhattacharya fan, probably one of his biggest. I really am excited for him as he builds out his team. I hope that he has a very, very strong team around him in the next coming weeks, because he's going to need it as far as HHS goes. You know, I'd love to see Bobby bring in more of those doctors that have been around him for the last 10 years very regularly, because these are the individuals that, you know, I trust these people with my life. They have sacrificed everything to do the right thing time and time again. They are so deeply principled. They will never take a check over helping a patient out. And they actually do have the answer. So I'm hoping to see more of those people around Bobby.
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Glenn Beck
So I'm, I'm wondering, because this way I feel about a couple of things with the FBI and Intel, that if I don't see some people in the next year or so go to jail or at least brought in for a fair and honest trial, you know, I don't want to just scoop people up and just assume that they're guilty, but, but, you know, build a good, strong case, bring it to trial, have it a fair and honest trial and let the chips fall where they may. But if I don't see some prosecutions, at least I think I'm, I'm very upset at the doj, Pam Bondi and head of the FBI, Cash Patel, and I don't. And I'm trusting them so far that they are doing that. Do you feel the same way at all about, you know, if you don't see some people go to jail that clearly lied about the vaccines, if they don't go to jail, you haven't, you really haven't fixed anything. You're just eating around the edges.
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Nicole Shanahan
Yeah, yeah. I think that really explains it. And this is why I think it's important to continue to voice those concerns because they're only going to. Going to grow amount. And it really is the American people that were sold this vision of accountability. And we want to see it. We have to see it. I mean, we're several months into the administration now. Hhs, you know, lags behind the Oval Office in terms of getting going, but people were seriously injured. There were many crimes committed against the American public, Crimes committed against our bravest doctors, crimes committed against cauldron. We need accountability. We really, really need to see that, because, you know, there's a preciousness in this moment, and we have to. We have to deliver. This country deserves it.
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Glenn Beck
And, I mean, if we're. If we can't correct the things. For instance, Washington state just passed a law where if there is another pandemic, everybody seems to be, you know, claiming there's another one right around the corner. But if there is another pandemic, that they will have absolute control over what you put into your body and what you do. That's terrifying.
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Nicole Shanahan
They do. And those emergency orders, no one's scrutinized them? There haven't been revisions?
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Glenn Beck
No. Washington state just revised it to codify it. Washington State just codified it. It's crazy.
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Nicole Shanahan
Yeah. Yeah. So I'd like to see more focus around that. Not red dye 40 and not Kellogg's. I'm totally fine leaving Kellogg's alone in favor of HHS spending all of its energy and all of its focus and all of its leverage, making sure that we are actually properly ready for the next pandemic and not to cause the catastrophic harm that was caused during COVID 19.
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Glenn Beck
Nicole Shanahan. She's got the podcast Back to the People, and it's now coming to Blaze Media. It's the same podcast that she's been doing just now, as she says, with a wider reach. Glad to have you, Nicole. Thank you very much.
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Nicole Shanahan
Thanks, Glenn. It was a pleasure to come on.
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Glenn Beck
We'll talk to you again.