Ezra Levant (3:37)

What? What?

Sean Spicer (3:39)

It's these Doge people that just keep hyping everything and saying that there's problems, there's no problem there. $4.7 trillion that we just can't identify where it went. What, do you want a record now? My gosh. Keep calm and carry on. Yeah, you ever hear that? Just so what? There's 4.7 trillion. Do just keep calm, Keep going. Everything's going to be fine. So now people are paranoid in Washington. Listen to this story. Dad. Stu. This is. This is sad. This is very sad. Government employees are reported. Can we have any sad music, Sarah? Government employees are reportedly plagued with anxiety over the Department of Government efficiencies. Doge the access to various computer systems. Fearing surveillance of their communications, some employees are paranoid that their conversations, their emails, their texts could be surveilled with some purchasing Faraday bags to block electromagnetic signals or to inhibit potential surveillance. One employee at the General Services Administration responsible for government procurement. Procurement say they no longer carry a phone outside of the office. I used to carry my work phone around with me everywhere after hours on the weekend in case anything was needed. But now I won't take it out of my office. Now, the GSA says it doesn't have a plan to surveil its employees, but people are worried that they're being surveilled now. Now, I, I don't. I mean, I. I mean, I. I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but the government's been listening to you and everybody else for a very long time. What, you're just coming around to this? I think the government might be listening. No. No way. Now, add to that anything in your emails or whatever could just be taken without a search warrant. Your GPS location could just be given. Your banking records could be given to the FBI. Yeah, that's right. It could happen to you, but only if you're on the right and were in Washington on January 6th. That was the only way that could happen. So you were safe. You were totally safe. Or are you? This is a reason to make sure the government is transparent. I don't think there's anybody that wants to be surveilled by the United States government. That's kind of been one of our points lately. You know what I mean? We've been saying that for a while. Hey, they could become really dangerous because they have all of our information. And you were like, no, that's not gonna happen. I mean, I mean, unless you're for Trump. But that's crazy. Oh, okay. Okay. So yesterday, anti Trump critics have called for another boycott against the co. Founder of Airbnb. He's decided to. To join Doge. I don't know what he's doing. Maybe putting people up. I don't know. I don't know. $4.7 trillion missing. Maybe he can get a slice of that. I don't know. But he came out and he said that he was, you know, he was gonna go ahead and, and, and volunteer time for Doge. Okay, great. Oh, my gosh. No, not great for the people. I mean, the people who are the elites in Washington, you know, the ones that are having to sacrifice right now might. Might lose their cushy government job. I mean, they've had a job. They've been promised a job for life. You know what that's like, right? Never having to worry about your job, never having to worry about even a review because really, everyone around you sucks. Oh, man. And they might lose. Where's the sad music, Sarah? I need some more sad music for the government employees that might lose their job. Gosh darn it. Can you imagine not knowing if you could keep your job? A new boss. Try this out for size. You probably can't relate to this, but a new boss comes into your place of work, and you don't know if he's gonna like you, not like you, change direction. You could just lose your job. I know you can't relate to that, but for the very first time in American history, these poor employees of the government who were promised a job for life and pension better than any kind of pension you could ever get. They now question whether this new boss of theirs might fire them. I don't know how they deal. I don't know how they deal with it. Oh, my gosh, the stress they must be under. Just horrible, huh? By the way, Department of education has canceled $600 million in woke teacher training grants. You've got to be kidding me. So wait a minute. Are you telling me nobody's going to be teaching our teachers that little Susie could have a dinky sewed on to her body so she could be a boy? Nobody's going to teach that. What was so down again? Dinky. Okay, put right there. And nobody's going to teach that to the teachers, so the teachers won't be able to teach that to the kids. Oh, my gosh. This is chaos, people. This is chaos. Kind of like, see, I know you can't. I know you can't relate to this kind of chaos, but the teachers are now going to have to go into school and what they've known to be true their whole life, you know, that gender is fluid, that a boy could be a girl, that, you know, trans is cool, that drag queens, I mean, they grew up their whole life knowing that drag queens were cool for kindergarteners, okay? They knew it their whole life. And then all of a sudden, Trump gets in and everything changes overnight. Now, all of a sudden, you can't relate to this kind of chaos in your life, because this kind of chaos has never happened to you, where something your entire life, you think everybody believes something for their entire life. And then a group of people get into power and they're like, no, there's no such thing as kids being able to change their gender. Imagine what these teachers are going through, the chaos in their life, man. And what is Dosh doing? What are they doing really, Honestly, what are they doing? Let me give you this story. The Washington, D.C. nonprofit, a nonprofit, the Amica center for Immigration Rights, has been running advertisements on Facebook soliciting donations to disrupt Trump's deportation machine. Stop Trump's deportation dystopia. We'll see you in court, Mr. Trump. Now, you might not have ever heard of this ngo, but the federal government has heard about it. In fact, they received just last year $9 million as a subcontractor to provide legal services through the Department of Justice Legal Orientation Program. So this is like a quasi government agency. Here's the good news, okay? You're gonna love this. You've never heard of this group before. You might think, hey, I don't know. I mean, didn't they promise us at one point we wouldn't take federal tax dollars to pay for abortions? No, they never promised that. What are you talking about? You've got a faulty memory. I don't know. I'm kind of against illegal immigration. Why are my tax dollars going to fight against the law? Are you a Doge person? Are you somebody who likes Elon Musk? Are you somebody who doesn't understand that the biggest threat to the planet, an existential threat, will be dead in 10 minutes? We'll all be dead if we don't take care of global warming in the next, well, about nine and a half minutes. Now, hurry up. You're one of those people and you're for Elon Musk, you know, a guy who believes the same things that you believe about global warming and has done more, you know, for global warming than anybody else alive on the planet. But I see why you hate him so much because of things like this. He's going to make sure that every dollar that you pay into tax, which I know you love, because it's patriotic, right? Am I right? Hey, do your patriotic duty. Pay tax. And you love high taxes. You personally love them, right? It's not, oh, tax somebody else, not me. No, no, no, not with you. You love taxes and you just want them as high as they can possibly be. He's just making sure that the tax dollars aren't going to something that you don't necessarily agree with because it's unconstitutional. You know, like, right, you're for this one. You're for this one you want, because that one makes sense. But can you imagine if Those tax dollars, $9 million, Donald Trump use that to, to prop up, you know, a pro second Amendment ngo? That would be crazy. We'd have to stop that right now, wouldn't we? This is incredible what they are doing. They have zero credibility on any of this. Any of this. How do you defend this? Just this, just this $9 million? Well, $9 million. I don't know if you know this, but $9 million here, there and everywhere kind of adds up. Usually adds up to, oh, my gosh, where did I pull this number out? $4.7 trillion that the treasury just has no idea where they put that. Look, the world is easy to explain. Our government and what's happening is really easy to explain. So I'm going to slow the train down a bit more. Explain it. Why don't we just. Why don't we just imagine for just a second that our government is a restaurant, a bustling restaurant, okay? Where every section in the restaurant plays a vital role, okay? Because they want to create a memorable dining experience and make the people happy. At the heart of the kitchen is the chef, okay? In this restaurant, that would be called the President. He's the chef. He crafts the menu and oversees the culinary creations, all in line with the original purpose of the restaurant. So if it's an Italian establishment, he put goulash on the menu. That wouldn't be good. Every four years, the diners, the citizens if you will, the diners have the oppo opportunity to review the chef's performance and say yeah, you know, I don't, I, I don't like his fare. I don't think it's good, it's not good for the restaurant. After all, we the people, the diners own the restaurant. So in the dining area, the servers are elected. Members of congress interact directly with the patrons. They're elected every two years, they're hired every two years. Everybody in the restaurant, all the patrons have to say, you know what, I like him, I don't like him, replace him. But the servers do that cuz they're attuned to the immediate needs and the feedback of the diners. Now they can relay compliments and concerns to the chef, suggesting adjustments or new dishes based on patrons desires. However, they do not step into the kitchen to alter recipes or dictate cooking methods or tell the chef who to hire and fire. Their role is to represent the diner's voices and ensure their satisfaction. The chef in turn selects his own kitchen staff, the sous chefs, the line cooks, the dishwashers without any interruption from the dining room. And the same can be said for the, for the chef, he can't interrupt and tell which servers are hired or fired or which are assigned to which tables. That's not his job. Now the servers don't influence the chef's hiring decisions and vice versa. It's a clear boundary. Front of house, back of house. That way the whole thing runs smoothly. Now, just to make sure that this Italian restaurant remains an Italian restaurant, you've got a critic who comes in once in a while when there's a problem or a dispute. And when they start happening between the kitchen and the dining area area. The role is to assess whether the chef and the servers are adhering to the restaurants founding recipes and standards. Are they holding that true? They don't rewrite the menu or manage the staff and said all they do is just say yep, that was what was on the menu and looks like he's creating that. Recently there's been a stir in our governmental restaurant. The chef has decided to revamp the kitchen, bringing in new staff because it's been wildly inefficient and lacking of good flavor. Goulash is appearing on the menu however, some of the servers are attempting to stop the chef from hiring and Firing his own staff, challenging the chef's authority to manage their own team. Now the situation again akin to the chef trying to dictate which servers should attend specific tables. But this is disturbing the force. I feel like there's a million voices crying out and then suddenly silenced. The restaurant has the servers, the chef and the critic. In the early 20th century, some proposed a different model for our restaurant. Woodrow Wilson. They suggested that a group of experts should oversee both the kitchen and the dining area, believing they knew best what patrons should consume. This sidelined all of the direct feedback from the diners and concentrated the decision making power, leading to a disconnect between the establishment and the owners of the restaurant. In fact, it was never fully understood what they were doing or run by the patrons who only eat there. They're the actual owners. All three restaurant chef, the servers and the critic were part of a covert plan to hire someone unknown to the patrons who wanted to run the kitchen and serve only goulash. The chef is now making the changes to restore it to an Italian restaurant. That's all that's happening here. If you ever had an ounce of gun training, you know the age old rule. If you're going to shoot, shoot to kill. You don't shoot somebody in the leg. You never point a gun at somebody that you don't intend on killing. Our president is famously unaware of of that rule. Uh, what do you do when there's an emergency situation? It calls for action on your part, but it doesn't call for you to shoot to kill. 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Hello, Ezra, how are you?

Glenn Beck (21:23)

It's great to be on the show. You know, I love America and I love Canada too. And I don't think it's, I don't think I have to choose. I also love Trump, by the way. And so it's been a bumpy few weeks, cuz Trump said, hey, Canada, fix your border problem or we're gonna slap you with tariffs.

Sean Spicer (21:42)

Yeah.

Glenn Beck (21:42)

And when you think of open borders, you think the Mexican border, Right? And it's true. The vast majority numerically of the smuggling of people and drugs is from the Mexican side, but Canada's not perfect. It's getting worse. There's actually more would be terrorists that are nabbed on the northern border than the Mexico border.

Sean Spicer (22:01)

And a lot of Chinese as well.

Glenn Beck (22:04)

Exactly. And the cartels are active in Canada, including not just the Mexican cartels, but you know, there's big meth labs being found in Canada every week. Here's the thing, if you look at the announcement that Trump made, this was back, I think in November, he said, look, by the time I'm inaugurated on January 20th, I want you, Mexico, and you, Canada, to basically do the preparatory work to seal the borders. Start working on it now, or else I'll slap you with a tariff. So I think a grown up would say, okay, he wants us to seal the borders, we should probably do that in our own interest anyways. And he's got an or else in there that maybe stings a bit, but let's just do the work because it's in our interest too. Trouble is, Trudeau said, nah, I'm not gonna seal the border. I'm not gonna crack down on illegal migrants and illegal drugs, even though that's something we should do. I'm gonna focus on the Orels and I'm gonna get into sort of a staring contest with an ally 10 times bigger than us.

Sean Spicer (23:06)

Right?

Glenn Beck (23:07)

And I've watched Trump's announcement. He wants the border fixed, the tariff is the Orels. But here's the thing, and I don't know if Trump really thought about this, cuz he's dealing with bigger fish. Like he's dealing with Ukraine, he's dealing with Gaza, and he' with the economy and the fires in LA and getting his nominees through the Senate. So he's dealing with huge things. I don't think he's following the minutia of Canadian politics. Because let me tell you one thing I think Trump didn't count on. I mean, Trump's a master negotiator. And the thing about a negotiation is the other guy, you know, you've got to be willing to walk away and you've got to make it so the other guy sort of doesn't want to walk away cuz his alternative is worse. But here's the thing about Trudeau. I don't know if you remember this, Glenn, but in January, Justin Trudeau announced he was going to resign.

Sean Spicer (23:57)

Yes.

Glenn Beck (23:57)

And that's going to take effect on March 9th. That's like three weeks from now. So Trudeau doesn't have the interest of getting a deal. He wants his final few weeks as Prime Minister to be, you know, an epic superhero coming to save Canada. He wants to be Captain Canada fighting against the big bad Trump. He doesn't actually want a deal, Glenn, because that's boring. And that looks like he's taking orders from Trump. If he fights Trump, if he says, no, no, no, I don't want to spend a few billion on border security. I want to get in $100 billion trade war. See, Trump's not used to negotiating with a guy who actually wants to hurt himself. But why would Trudeau want that? Two reasons. Number one, to change the narrative. He's the Captain Canada saving our country from the big bad Trump. We've got a lot of Trump derangement syndrome over here. But number two, Trudeau has wrecked our economy through taxes and debt and inflation and cost of living. So if Trump actually does bring in punitive tariffs, Trudeau can say, aha. This is on Trump. It's not me. I didn't wreck the economy. Trump did. So the thing is, Trump is dealing with a guy who is acting in bad faith. Justin Trudeau wants a trade war. He wants our countries to fight.

Sean Spicer (25:18)

So let me ask you this. I've been watching the reaction of some Canadians and they're like, we're, we're not gonna become the 51st state. Do you guys understand trolling? Donald Trump, he's calling Trudeau the governor of the 51st state to minimalize him to, to, as a, as a mock of Trudeau. We're, we, we're not, we're not thinking about buying you, we're not offering to buy you, and we're certainly not sending troops up there to take you. Do the Canadians just not understand that?

Glenn Beck (25:49)

I think it's a combination. Because here's the thing. For the last 10 years, Trudeau has tried to denature Canada. Our founding Prime Minister is named John A. MacDonald. Sir John A. MacDonald's our version of George Washington. He's on our $10 bill, there's statues of him everywhere. Trudeau stripped him off the $10 bill. Trudeau presided over his statues being knocked down. Trudeau has told us that we are a country that committed genocide against Indian people. Trudeau calls us sexist, racist. He says, and he told the New York Times, we have no core values. We're basically a hotel. So he spent. He. He changed our national anthem. Who asked him to do that? Like, he's doing all these things. He went on.

Sean Spicer (26:35)

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He changed your national anthem from O Canada to what?

Glenn Beck (26:40)

It's still O Canada, but he changed the words. And, like, who else can do that? He went on Anderson Cooper show, and Anderson Cooper said, well, tell me, what's a Canadian? Okay. That's a question you'd expect a prime minister to answer. He said, well, we're not Americans. That's not. That's not an identity. That's sort of a. That's sort of an attitude. And so here's a guy who, for 10 years, has derided what it means to be Canada. He's given away citizenship to millions. So I think Trump, in his uncanny way, detected within Trudeau a bit of an inferiority complex.

Sean Spicer (27:16)

Oh, yeah.

Glenn Beck (27:17)

A bit of a weakness. And so that 51st state thing, Governor thing, it actually stings because Trudeau has spent 10 years destroying our national identity. And Trump must have groked that somehow, because every time Trump says that, it actually hurts because we have spent 10 years destroying what's made us Canadian. And Trump figured it out.

Sean Spicer (27:41)

So he's very good. He's very good at knowing where people's weaknesses are. I think that's one of his. One of his real skills in negotiating. He knows what the other side is thinking and what they're afraid of. Let me. Let me ask you this. Are we. Is this going to turn into something?

Glenn Beck (28:04)

Well, you know, there was some booing. There's a hockey game between us.

Sean Spicer (28:08)

No, we're very well aware of it. Yeah.

Glenn Beck (28:10)

And the boo, I think people are. Some people are sort of startled because the idea of fighting with America is unthinkable. Like, we're. You really. You almost can't tell a difference between a Canadian and American other than how we pronounce a few words, like a boot, the who's.

Sean Spicer (28:27)

How long you wait for health care. Yeah, there's just a few things.

Glenn Beck (28:30)

I mean, there are some differences, of course, but I can't think of two countries that are more similar. So the idea that we're in some battle with America, it's Confusing to Canadians. But here's the thing. Let me just say quick thing about the first 51st state. You know how California is this huge electoral college that always goes Democrat every time. Let me say this to my brothers in the United States. You do not want another 41 million people, people who will vote Democrat every time.

Sean Spicer (28:56)

We've made that point. We've made that point.

Glenn Beck (28:59)

I mean, I myself would be a Trump supporter in the heartbeat. And maybe the province of Alberta, where I'm from.

Ezra Levant (29:05)

What?

Glenn Beck (29:05)

Right, but, and by the way, I know you have some challenges with French, sorry, Spanish, bilingualism. You know, a quarter of our country's French.

Sean Spicer (29:13)

Oh, we know.

Glenn Beck (29:14)

So, I mean, get ready for French to be spoken in your Congress. I'm just saying, you know, there's probably a few details he didn't think about. But let me tell you what actually matters. I don't know if you know, but our free trade agreement that Trump renegotiated with Canada, it already gives you everything you want. We have 170 billion with a B barrels of oil in our oil sands. And you have access to it. You have preferential access to it. And so when Trump talks about slapping that with a tariff, my phrase is America first. You're the customer. You need that oil to displace the conflict. Oil, you're buying from opec. How about instead of slapping oil with a tariff, since that's just going to your refineries, we're the number one source of American oil other than America. You make about half of your own oil in Texas and other places, but the other half, we're your number one source. Then comes Mexico, then Saudi Arabia. How about replace that OPEC oil now with more Canadian oil? And I know Donald Trump's a deal maker. Art of the deal. Well, how about do, how about do a 50 year deal with Canada? You could buy every one of those 170 barrels of oil. 170 billion. And that would last you 50 years. You would be able to displace every single foreign barrel of crude. $13 trillion deal. That's a bigger deal than Greenland. You have access to that oil, it's yours. But most of the companies operating there are American owned. Even the Canadian companies, they're all listed on your American stock exchanges. You own the companies that are making the money like it's American, all the way down. And you don't want China to get access to that oil. China is poking around Canada's oil centers. What does China want? China wants you to push Canada away. Don't, don't don't, don't. Don't do it. And I just. I think that Trump is shooting at Trudeau but hitting us. Don't do that. I have a creative way to get back at Trudeau, but don't do it by attacking Canada.

Sean Spicer (31:18)

What's your creative way?

Glenn Beck (31:20)

Well, I'll tell you. I mentioned before that Justin Trudeau said Canada has committed a genocide against our native peoples. But he says that in the present tense. He says we are committing a genocide. Really? That sounds like a crime against humanity. What if Trump were to issue an executive order saying, taking notice of Justin Trudeau's confession, that he is presiding over a genocide, we hereby put sanctions on Justin Trudeau and his cabinet. They may not enter the United States. They may not fly over our country. They may not do that. So just like Trump is doing with that International Criminal Court.

Sean Spicer (32:00)

Yes.

Glenn Beck (32:01)

That wanted to arrest Netanyahu. If you smack Justin Trudeau around, he loves going to New York. He goes down to New York and parties and he sort of does, you know, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Trudeau loves going to America. If you took that away from him, Trudeau would be floored. Go after Trudeau. You want to punish Trudeau? Me, too. I got some ideas. But don't get all the oil you want. Let's be good friends. And by the way, you do a $13 trillion deal to buy all our oil for 50 years. Now we got some money to build up our armed forces and be your best buddies again, like we were on D Day.

Sean Spicer (32:39)

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Ezra Levant (32:41)

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Sean Spicer (32:47)

My friend, Sean Spicer. How are you, sir?

Ezra Levant (32:50)

Fantastic.

Sean Spicer (32:51)

How are you? I'm so good. I'm so good. I don't want you to tell the end of the story yet. I want you to.

Ezra Levant (32:57)

No, no, no.

Sean Spicer (32:57)

Yeah. I want you to start at the beginning. What happened when you left the White House and Biden took over as president?

Ezra Levant (33:06)

Take it back one step further.

Sean Spicer (33:08)

Ok.

Ezra Levant (33:08)

So I stepped down as White House Press Secretary, and the president has always been kind and offered to appoint me to a couple of boards. He appointed me to two of them. One of them was the White House Commission on Fellows. I was a commissioner there and then. He also was kind enough to make me one of his appointees to the Board of visitors to the U.S. naval Academy. So I sworn into office, Joe Biden comes into office. And. And so on January 20, myself and all of the White House commissioners at that Fellowship committee resigned because it's a White House commission and the new president has a right to have people for White House commission. Fair enough. Well, September 1st, I get an email of 2021 and it says, Dear Mr. Spicer, thank you for your service in the U.S. naval Academy Board of Visitors. By 6:00 tonight, please submit your resignation or you will be fired. And I thought, whoa, what now? Just for context, remember, Glenn, September 1st, my term ended November 1st. 60 days later I was like, you couldn't wait 60 days just to have it for free? So, so I was like, I've been sworn into office. My term was, you know, ended that time and I obviously wasn't going to get reappointed. Biden had his right to appoint his people. Great. So it turns out that he fired everybody. Myself from the Naval Academy board, Russ Vogt from the Naval Academy board, and then a guy named H.R. mcMaster from the West Point board who, by the way, H.R. mcMaster, you remember, was the national security advisor to Trump, three star army general who was a graduate of West Point, a distinguished professor at West Point. And the Friday after that Tuesday email was going to be honored at West Point as a distinguished alumni in their awards ceremony. So anyway, he fires us September 1st, I don't resign. I said, if you, I'm not resigning, you can fire me if you want. And then Stephen Miller in America first came to me and said, we have an idea. I said, okay, what's the idea? He goes, we want to sue Biden. Now, Glenn, I'm not a lawyer, right, that guys, I watch a law, a lot of, lot of Law and order, but how in God's earth if we sue the guy in September? I mean, My term ends November 1st. We're never going to get back on the board. And they said, no, no, no, let's go to court and make Joe Biden argue that he has the absolute authority to fire anybody. And because we're not going to win the case, they'll rule against us. And I was like, oh, this is brilliant. The only people. But here's the kicker. The only people who were willing to put their name on that lawsuit are myself and Russ. Vote of all of the other people that were so honored that President Trump had appointed them. And they went to everyone said, hey, will you sign on to this? And they said, thanks, we're busy. Russ. Votes. So the case became Spicer et al V. Biden. It goes up to the court. The court says the president has the absolute authority to that we appeal the decision. It goes to the appeals level. And the court again reaffirms the decision that Joe Biden and the President of the United States had the absolute authority to fire anyone. And the media started calling Glenn, and they go, you lost the case. And I said at the time, did I? Donald Trump gets elected. And this is where it gets really fun.

Sean Spicer (36:26)

You'll love this because you don't, you know, the rest of the story. Here it comes.

Ezra Levant (36:31)

Thank you, Paul Harvey. So, so. So the New York. I write this story in the dis op ed for the New York Post saying, hey, guess what? Spicer v. Biden has given President Trump the authority to fire anyone he wants. I hope that President Trump executes it. And the White House is tweeting, you know, sending me new messages back. Guess who we just fired? Guess who we just fired. And I'm living in this glory. Well, I write this piece for the New York Post explaining, hey, here's what we did. Here's the legal basis. All of these people who are about to get fired by Trump should thank President Biden for this. Now, here's where it gets fun. The New York Post in the editing process, says to me, okay, well, was it just the service academies? And I said, no, they had the right to fire anyway. And they said, well, give us some examples. And so I've got the list of boards and commissions that the President can appoint to. There's like a couple hundred to. And I start reading one of the editors. I said, well, they could fire. You know, there's the Battlefield Commission, there's the Truman Scholarship, there's the Kennedy Center. She goes, oh, put that in the op ed. Put that. People will identify with that. And then we went. We added a couple other examples to the op ed. So the op ed gets published in the New York Post, and it gets a lot of coverage, whatever. And President Trump continues to fire people. And when they fire the board of the Kennedy center, the Washington Post calls, you know, the spokesman for the Kennedy center, and he says, are you going to be opposing President Trump firing you? And on the record, the spokesman for the Kennedy center says, we can't. Spicer v. Biden sets the precedent for this, gives the President the authority to do this. So now here's the kicker. The Washington Post called me and says, what do you think about what the Kennedy center saying Now? I have a hard enough time keeping up with President Trump. I don't focus on what the Kennedy center is saying. I'm sorry, that's really not my thing. So I said. So I said, I don't know. And they go, are you serious? You don't know that? They just cited your case as the reason that they can't oppose or object to what President Trump just did. And I said, oh, my God, that's amazing. I'm glad to have played a small part. A day later, the reporter calls me back and says, I went and read all of the court documents. And you're right. And I said, of course. What do you mean? Yeah, I wasn't lying to you. And he said, I've got to write this big story. And I said to my team at the time, my family, I was like, my God, this is not going to go well. The Washington Post wants to write a story about Spicer v. Biden and why it's given the President the authorities. And then I get a text and it says, hey, we're running. We're putting the story up. And I go, oh, like, these don't. These things don't end well for people like me and people like you. It's like, you don't get that. It's like getting a call from the irs. Hey, I'm from the Washington Post that I'm writing a story about Glenn Beck. Yeah, thank you.

Sean Spicer (39:17)

Yeah.

Ezra Levant (39:18)

So I click on the story and I'm reading, and I'm like, okay, okay, okay. Like, when's the bad part coming? And the only part is I normally. You know, there's that phrase, Glenn, where people say that they. They hate. Watch MSNBC or something.

Sean Spicer (39:34)

Yeah, yeah.

Ezra Levant (39:34)

And I hate. I hate read the comments. I had to do it. I had to do it. I will not read the comments. I don't read the Twitter replies, whatever. But I read the comments, and these snowflakes, they're so offended. They're like, sean Spicer is an evil person pursuing the President. I'm like, wait a second. You have to understand the context. Never in the history of the United States had any president ever removed somebody from a service academy board prior to their term being done for anything less than malfeasance. And even that, we can't find an example. Never. Joe Biden was so petty. And the point is, they're mad at me. The comments. There's like thousands of comments when you click on the Washington Post story. And I posted it on my social media stories, if someone wants to go read it. And I was like, wait a second, you're mad at me? They're like, I can't believe you did this. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait. I did nothing. I literally had 60 days to go, I'm sure I would have gotten some little, you know, medallion from the Naval Academy, said, thanks for your service, be on your way. And yet here they are, like all these snowflakes putting comments in the Washington Post that like, I'm the bad guy. Because why? Because I stood up and said, hey, you wanna argue that you have to do this, then give a future Republican president. Now, at the time, myself and Russ Vote had no idea that President Trump hadn't even declared for reelection yet. But we thought to ourselves, hey, you know what, we'll stand up. Now, like I said, I watch a lot of Law and Order, but that's my legal prowess here. So the idea that this case now, which we thought at the time, hey, let's try it, has now become the basis for which President Trump can run around and say, you're fired, legit is amazing. And I'm just, I'm like the Post wrote in the story that I was giddy. I think that's an understatement. I am so ecstatic that not just that President Trump can execute on this strategy and that it was Joe Biden that set the president and gave us this gift is such sweet poetic justice.

Sean Spicer (41:40)

You know, whenever anybody tries to force their way, it never ends well. Never ends well.

Ezra Levant (41:46)

But think about this. They tried to deep platform Trump, they censored him, they took him off the ballot, they sued him civilly and criminal. And it just, it's backfired. Backfire, backfire. Learn your lesson, folks. Like, I just, to me, I get such a kick out of this because these dumb dumbs keep thinking if we just go after it one more time, it'll work and it doesn't.

Sean Spicer (42:06)

So what is the strategy now? Do you think they have? I mean, because none of this is working.

Ezra Levant (42:13)

No, no, I hope that it's continue. I mean, I just love the fact that they keep trying, they double down on stupid and they're like, what if we just try it one more time? I'm like, I bless you. But the idea is just at some point, you know, you take, I was, I was take the loss and just say, let's regroup, let's retreat. He's not running again. Maybe we stop making it about him and we think about what we're for. I don't tend to give a ton of advice to the Democratic Party, but at some point, recognize it. For 10 years you've tried to say that Donald Trump's the problem, we're going to come up against them, and it hasn't Worked. So maybe, just maybe, you try to rethink this whole strategy. So, look, I don't really care. That's their problem, not my.

Sean Spicer (42:58)

I. You know, I performed at The Kennedy Center 10, 12, 15 years ago, and it was like, it almost took an act of Congress to make that happen. I mean, you can. You can rent out the Kennedy center and do whatever you want on there. Well, they had a problem with me, uh, and they told me at the time I was the first show ever done at the Kennedy center that displayed the American flag on stage. I found that incredible. But I don't care what happens at the Kennedy Center. It doesn't matter to me. But the left is freaking out. They're just freaking out.

Ezra Levant (43:37)

See, here's the thing. There is a bigger arc that I think is taking place. In the first term, we were somewhat apologetic. We were like, you know, remember, just think about this. And remember, the Kennedy center is just one thing, so President Trump can keep firing everybody. But when in 2017, we came into office, the Kennedy Center Honors, right, which is supposed to be this annual thing where all these leftists get awards and they celebrate each other, they said, we won't come if Trump shows up. And so Trump was actually magnanimous and said, you know what? I just. You guys go on, have your event. I won't go. Okay? And I think that there was a lot of feeling around and trying to understand the trappings. And like I said, it was new. What do we do? How do we approach this. This term? He says, screw it. You're all fired. I'm taking over the board. I'm in charge. I'm putting my people. And I love it. This idea that we have learned, and this is what I mean about the arc, it's that don't be. Don't be, you know, don't be afraid. Don't be apologetic. Fight. Go out there. Why are we ceding ground at the Kennedy Center? Why is it that Glenn Beck is the only person that puts an American flag on it? Why aren't we saying, you know what? Let's bring in more people who do that. Let's be proud, let's be patriotic. Let's use this institution to celebrate America. But I don't understand, like, the mentality is so different now. It's, let's fight. Yeah, let's do this.

Sean Spicer (45:03)

I think it's use.

Ezra Levant (45:04)

This is.

Sean Spicer (45:04)

I think it's.

Ezra Levant (45:05)

Love it.

Sean Spicer (45:06)

I think it's absolutely fantastic. I thank you for what you did. And, you know, the only thing that would make it better is if you or I were on the board of the Kennedy center and we could announce that Lee Greenwood's residency was now taking place at the Kennedy Center.

Ezra Levant (45:21)

I think you like, just so you know, I now that you've like, that's definitely not going to be the last time that we hear that you can take credit for it. But I have a feeling Lee will be leading the residency of like several other country artists that come into be fantastic.

Sean Spicer (45:37)

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Sean Spicer.

Ezra Levant (45:39)

You bet, sir.

Glenn Beck (45:43)

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