Tom Fitton (18:57)

Just before Monica Lewinsky, it was really in large measure in response to the Clinton gang playing games, selling trade mission suits. You may recall China connections. Bill had his presidential legal expense trust fund that was getting shady money from abroad. It was a mess. I wish, I wish things have gotten better, but they just got worse.

Glenn Beck (19:26)

And you know, part of it is because we never got those people. I mean, you guys have done such a great job at exposing all of this and some of the people you have, I mean, you've done some amazing work in the courtroom, too. But it doesn't feel to the average person that anything's really changed. Nobody ever pays a price.

Tom Fitton (19:46)

Yes. And that's why it keeps on happening again. It's, you know, all the evidence is out there. Judicial watches uncovered it. Tulsi Gabbard just released more evidence. But what are the consequences?

Glenn Beck (19:57)

Correct.

Tom Fitton (19:57)

And, and for, you know, the politicians like Hillary or Obama or Biden, to the degree he's paying attention or is capable of paying attention, it's just a bad news cycle. It doesn't impact their lives. When they make the money they're making, they run for office again. In many ways, they get credibility with their, their allies for the misconduct. And so without consequences, it's going to happen again and repeat itself.

Glenn Beck (20:29)

So let's talk about what Tulsi Gabbard, which not in the Washington Post Today, page A15 in the new York Times. I mean, they're acting like this is no big deal. And this appears to me to be the key to everything that has happened in the last 10 years. Do you read it that way?

Tom Fitton (20:53)

I think it's another key. You know, I kind of go back and say, you know, that there should have been prosecutions long before this.

Glenn Beck (21:00)

Right.

Tom Fitton (21:01)

And it's just further confirmation. There was yet another meeting because there'd been at least two more that I was aware of that been publicly disclosed involving Barack Obama and his top people about Russia, Russia, Russia. And they went into the meeting, the intel people were prepping, saying, hey, look, Russia was probably messing around with a few things, but they weren't impacting, you know, the, the counting of votes and, you know, we're messing with our election systems. After, you know, that was pulled back after the meeting, they changed that conclusion or suggested dishonestly otherwise and then hyper focused on the Steele dossier. And what was the only issue at issue at this point? Trump was coming into office.

Glenn Beck (21:50)

Right.

Tom Fitton (21:50)

And they wanted to destroy him.

Glenn Beck (21:52)

Correct. But it was these, it was these same people all the way through. It's the same group of people. It's Susan Rice Clapper Obama all the way through to the end of the Biden administration.

Tom Fitton (22:06)

That's right. And into the beginning of the Trump administration. Remember the meeting just before Comey went to visit Trump to try to get him to talk on the dossier? It was a meeting involving Joe Obama and Comey. And Comey went the next day, tried to ambush Trump. Trump said, I don't know anything about it. Comey rushed out of the office, started doing his memos to the file because he was spying on Trump and it didn't stop. And of course, you know, who was, who were they nervous about? As you point out, Joe Biden, he had these Ukraine issues. Everyone knew he was neck deep with Ukraine corruption. We have the document showing that State Department officials were nervous about it. The Russians were making fun of the Americans, trolling them. That was the language they used because Biden went to Ukraine just before Trump came into office.

Glenn Beck (23:09)

You also had all of the. This. It's weird because the State Department seemed split in half in some ways. Some were warning the White House of this and the State Department, usaid, all that stuff. They were also over helping overthrow the government of Ukraine a couple of times. I mean, it's just such a, a horrible mix of everything wrong with the country. So do you see this time maybe there's going to be perp walks. People are going to maybe go to jail or not.

Tom Fitton (23:50)

Are you at my honest.

Glenn Beck (23:51)

No, no, I don't. You say it like that and I don't. Yeah, go ahead.

Tom Fitton (23:57)

I think they want to do something in the Justice Department and the FBI. I don't think they've got the capacities, nor do I Think the institution can be. The institutions can be counted on to investigate themselves or even do it competently. And frankly, given the way they've handled the Epstein files, which is really basically a transparency question, you got to wonder if they're going to be able to do something more complex. And that's why I've been calling on the President to run it himself, meaning appoint a special prosecutor, have that prosecutor report to him. Use people who aren't DOJ people. Use people who aren't FBI people. There are plenty of law enforcement in the federal government they can use and utilize or bring in private people temporarily to begin the criminal investigations and prosecutions. I just don't. I don't see it happening. And it's. And we've had.

Glenn Beck (24:55)

We've had special counsels all the time. Every president is appointed a special counsel to look into why. Why are we not doing it this time? If that's the answer, That's a good question.

Tom Fitton (25:07)

It's six months. I know. I compare and contrast what they did after January 6, the Biden gang did, you know, they had basically Trump in their sights for prosecution within six months. What they were thinking about initially here, you know, we're getting documents that have been around for 10 years. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit for a long time. Well, yeah, almost.

Glenn Beck (25:31)

No, 10 years. They have been 10 years.

Tom Fitton (25:33)

And we're expecting something new to happen. I hope so. Let's keep on keeping on. But.

Glenn Beck (25:42)

Okay.

Tom Fitton (25:43)

So naive.

Glenn Beck (25:44)

What is it that you have you are pushing for on Epstein more than just the grand jury records? Because didn't the President just say that he was calling on the judges to release that?

Tom Fitton (26:03)

Yeah. And those are transcripts. Right. What other information is there? You know, we kind of go through it. We approach this with a straightforward technique, which is just give us the records that you can give us under law.

Glenn Beck (26:18)

Right.

Tom Fitton (26:19)

We still haven't gotten one record under FOIA on these Epstein issues. You know, we saw that mess they made early part of the year. We said, okay, give us these records about Epstein. You say you have. Give us the records showing there was an issue about getting the records out about Epstein. Now, the FBI supposedly was accused of obstructing the release. You've gotten zero records yet. So I'm glad they got went to the court. I'm glad there's this commitment for credit, you know, for the release of, quote, credible information. But it's a straightforward FOIA issue. Just start releasing the records under the Freedom of Information Act. Why? Because won't completely but it will reassure many Americans that there's a legal process in place. Here's the record. Here's what's blacked out, here's the reason why. These are how many records we have. You can't have these. You can't have these. And then it's adjudicated in a court.

Glenn Beck (27:19)

Is anybody.

Tom Fitton (27:20)

Modified limited hangout process doesn't work.

Glenn Beck (27:23)

Is anybody looking into his financial records? I mean, that seems to be, you know, follow the money. That seems to. Would tell us something about who's funding what. How is he moving all of this money in all these shell corporations, all offshore?

Tom Fitton (27:41)

Well, there's nothing that would prevent the release of any records they compiled in the course of this investigation. And presumably that was part of the process. And if it's available under foia, it should be released. And, you know, and when they say we can't release something, almost always that's a discretionary decision, meaning it's. It's a political decision in the end whether to release or not release information. And that's something they didn't want to. Really want to grapple with. And I think that's why they put out that crazy memo a few weeks ago. We don't want to release any of it because to kind of do the process is hard. But on the other hand, they went into the court in our case, Glenn, and they told them the day after the minimum got out, oh, we're, we're still looking at FBI and DOJ records for potential release here. And so, you know, we'll get back to you.

Glenn Beck (28:35)

Wow. Dershowitz says that it's all of this stuff. Any roadblocks in the secrecy? A lot of it has been caused by federal judges. Have you heard that? Is that true?

Tom Fitton (28:46)

I mean, you know, caused by federal judges is just one way of saying, well, the law requires grand jury materials to be kept secret unless otherwise, unless there's a real significant public interest in releasing them. So it's kind of the ordinary handling of criminal records. But there are a lot of. But, you know, we're talking about. They're talking about records they, by law, they say they can't release. We still don't have an idea of what records, by law, they can release and haven't released.

Glenn Beck (29:17)

So what do you think about the concerns that MAGA is doing really the bidding of the Democrats who want to get Trump by any means necessary and that we're focused on the wrong thing? If you focus on this. I personally think that what was released by the DNI on Friday is Massive, because this fits into a puzzle that I've been putting together for 10 years. And it, to me, it shows everything you need to know. But maybe that's just me. What do you think about the argument that MAGA should just sit down and be quiet?

Tom Fitton (29:54)

Yeah, well, I mean, we've got lots of lawsuits on that, too. I mean, to me, it's kind of a straightforward response. Give us the records you promised you were going to give to us and, you know, you know, just move on from it. You know, let's get the process in place and release the records as. As you promised. I mean, the President and the administration is doing a wonderful amount of work and no one's suggesting, you know, just because they did one thing great means they don't have to do anything else. That's great.

Glenn Beck (30:25)

Right.

Tom Fitton (30:26)

And in the case of transparency, these are kind of, kind of the core issues. The Epstein issue is a big issue for the American people. Like it or not, it's a big issue. They promised to release records, they haven't released it. And there's. And to the degree it's been a problem, it's been a problem caused by the Justice Department and the FBI who sent out a memo saying we're shutting it all down. You're all idiots for even thinking there were anything to ask about. There was anything to ask about. And by the way, all the evidence on which we're basing these decisions, you can't have access to. So whose fault is that, that there was a blowback? The people who wrote the memo. So if I were President Trump and I were looking for a way forward, I'd start focusing on making sure my agencies, we're doing what they're supposed to do under law and just behave normally, respond to FOIA lawsuits, be transparent. Let's not make a magilla where none is necessary. And, you know, because there's a lot of other things to do that we really need to get done, like holding those who want to destroy our republic accountable and tried to get me killed last year.

Glenn Beck (31:45)

Doesn't the release in this argument about the Epstein files release what you have. Doesn't this kind of fit into the same thing, though, that we were talking about with the dni? Even if they release it, nobody's going to believe anything's going to be done about it. So what difference does it make?

Tom Fitton (32:04)

Well, the American people have a right to know what their government's up to, and it does make a difference in how people calculate who to support, how to approach public policy issues, what credence to give to arguments that politicians make as to government accountability and on a whole sorts of other issues. It's all part of the piece. So if we want to have a government where Americans have no insight into how it operates and there's zero accountability, and accountability sometimes means just knowing who was involved and there is rough justice. You know, Hillary isn't president because isn't president because of the emails that we helped release. Does it mean that she was prosecuted? No, but that was kind of a rough justice in the sense that there was a consequence politically for what happened.

Glenn Beck (33:02)

I think that rough justice is actually happening for Barack Obama. You look at his popularity, how he's perceived by his own friends and, you know, public, I think what's true about him is really starting to come forward, too. Tom, thank you so much for everything you guys do. I really appreciate all the work you've done throughout, throughout the years. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton, you can follow and help@judic watch.org that's judicial watch.org Tom, thanks.

Tom Fitton (33:29)

Thank you. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. Foreign.

Glenn Beck (33:40)

Excited to have from Article 3 project the founder and president Mike Davis to tell us a little bit about what he knows about the Director of National Intelligence and what gab. I almost said Gabby Giffords, Tulsi Gabbard actually released on Friday and more of it coming. Is this actually going to lead to justice? I personally think, I kind of understand what, I think what Donald Trump was saying over the last couple of weeks where he was talking to people and people like me, hey, can you shut up about this? This doesn't matter. I think knowing what Tulsi was about to release, this is, this is ground zero. This scoops everybody up into a grand conspiracy, at least the way I read it. But is anything going to happen? Are there going to be any indictments? Where does this lead? Mike might be able to navigate through these waters. Hi, Mike. How are you?

Mike Davis (34:43)

Thank you for having me.

Glenn Beck (34:44)

You bet. So am I reading this right or not?

Mike Davis (34:49)

There is justice is definitely coming in this case and I'm going to make damn sure that happens very loudly, very publicly from the Article 3 project like I've been doing for the last three years since the Mar a Lago raid. Over 4,500 media hits, constant opinion pieces, constant social media. What President Obama and President Biden and Brennan and Clapper and Susan Rice. Susan Rice and so many others did to President Trump and his aides and his allies is an ongoing criminal conspiracy against rights under 18 USC section 241. When you politicize and weaponize intel agencies and law enforcement to go after your political opponents, that is textbook conspiracy against rights. And that's exactly what President Biden, President Obama and Biden and Hillary and all of them did back in the White House in 2016. The statute of limitations for federal felonies is generally five years. But for conspiracy, the statute of limitations does not start running until the conspiracy ends. You have to disavow the conspiracy. Not only have they not disavowed the conspiracy, it's ongoing and they continue to lie and cover it up.

Glenn Beck (36:15)

It's the same people that were. I mean, every time there's a fire, it seems like the same people are around that fire. The Hunter Biden laptop story. Same people. The people around Joe Biden when he was forced out, forced out as president and Kamala is chosen. Same people every single time. Same people. So what makes you so confident that justice is coming? This time is going to be different. So we. I kind of feel like Charlie Brown with Lucy in the football.

Mike Davis (36:48)

No, I get that. But I'll tell you this. I have worked very closely with President Trump and his White House counsel team and his Justice Department, including Attorney General Pam Bondi, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch, FBI Director Cash Patel, Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino. Our meet Dylan, the head of civil rights and so many others. I have very publicly advocated for accountability here. This camp. This last election was about welfare and accountability in addition to immigration. So it was a big part of this election. I think this welfare against President Trump is what put him back into the White House. If they would have, if the Democrats would have just left President Trump alone or even wrote a scathing report, instead of doing these four indictments for non crimes and trying to bankrupt him, non fraud, he would be retired in Mar A Lago. He is back in the White House. He is the first time he ran for office. He had never run for office. He had never served in office. He had four years in office. He had four years in the wilderness to reflect. He had four years facing welfare. He is ready to govern and govern decisively on day one. And his team means business.

Glenn Beck (38:04)

So tell me what the Mar A Lago story really is in connection to what we found out on Friday.

Mike Davis (38:13)

The Mar A Lago story is this. Hillary Clinton had her illegal home server as Secretary of State, not only with our nation's most classified secrets, like stuff on Benghazi, for example.

Glenn Beck (38:24)

Right.

Mike Davis (38:25)

And also had the Clinton foundation pay for play foreign bribery schemes. She had her home server she is taking many millions of dollars to the Clinton foundation from these shady foreign actors. It's underfunding her lavish lifestyle, private jets and fancy travel and just general fancy lifestyle for the Clintons. These hillbillies are living large. And what was she doing in return for these millions of dollars as the Secretary of State? Was she doing official acts? Was it foreign bribery and corruption? Guess what? She got caught. There was a subpoena for her server. What did she do? She bleached bit at the server and took hammers to the phone. She thought she destroyed it. She thought no one was ever going to get this evidence. But guess what? It was not a secure server. And so Russia, China, our worst enemies, almost certainly hacked it. And they knew this and they, they thought that this was going to come out before the 2016 election, this foreign bribery and corruption, that maybe the Russians were going to leak it. And so what did Hillary do? She worked with the law firm Perkins Coey, Mark Elias with the Biden White House, the Biden Justice Department. They made up the Steele dossier, Russian collusion hopes. They lied to the federal FISA courts, the intel court, they lied to the court with this made up evidence, they got spy warrants on President Trump and his team as the presidential candidate. They continued to spy on him as the President of the United States. They hobbled his political president's presidency. What they wanted to be able to do is if this came out before 2016 election, they wanted to say, you can't believe this. This is a campaign dirty trick. The Trump campaign is colluding with the Russians. Ignore this. And you say that sounds crazy, Mike, how could you possibly think that? Well, that's exactly what they did with Hunter Biden's laptop in 2020 with the CIA working with the 51 former intel officials to say, you can't believe the Biden corruption on the, on Hunter's laptop because this is a campaign dirty trick. And so when Trump declassified Crossfire Hurricane the day before he left office, he was going to publicly release it. The, the deep state spokes at the FBI, doj, ran to CIA, ran to the White House and said, you can't release this. You're going to reveal sources and method methods. You're going to violate the Privacy act, which is a crime. So Mark Meadows, the chief of, Mark Meadow, the chief of Staff said, okay, do your privacy act and get these out there. That was the day Trump left office. They didn't do the Privacy act review. Instead they did the Mar A Lago raid to get back crossfire hurricane records that Trump declassified. But guess what? Maybe they didn't get them. And maybe that's why we had the Biden White House coordinates with Kish James and Fanny Willis and Alvin Bragg and all these other Democrat operatives around the country to try to bankrupt Trump, throw him in prison for life four times for non crime times, tried to take him off the ballot. Biden tried to get Trump killed when he underfunded Trump's Secret Service protection twice and said that Trump was the gravest threat to American democracy and said to put a bullseye on him. That's what, that is what we're going to learn through all this.

Glenn Beck (41:44)

All right, so is there enough here to indict Obama or Brennan or Clapper or any of these people?

Mike Davis (41:55)

Well, based upon what Tulsi Gabbard has said, it sounds like it. Now remember, there's the issue of presidential immunity for the sitting President of the United States. So any indictment of President Obama would have to go through a presidential immunity analysis to make sure that what he's doing as his core constitutional responsibilities, he's absolutely immune. What he's doing in, in his official capacity, separate from core constitutional responsibilities, he's presumptively immune. But here's the problem. What President Obama did after he left office, when he continued to conspire after he left office, it's an ongoing conspiracy. If he continued to cover it up, if he continued to conspire, he cannot claim presidential immunity.

Glenn Beck (42:40)

So Mike, there are people that say, in fact, the New York Times said this is not a story because what the President was talking about was digital conspiracy to hack into the voting records, not a, not a, you know, propaganda war. And that's what he had changed. Instead of focusing on the digital, he instead went to a propaganda war. And that makes all of this nonsense.

Mike Davis (43:11)

Now, the Democrats argument is nonsense. They went after President Trump for the non crime of objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count act of 1887 and the First Amendment. We don't see Democrats objecting to Republican presidential wins in 1968, 2000, 2004 and 2016. Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton aren't in prison for objecting. Right. And so they went after Trump for the non crime of objecting to a presidential election. What they did was a real crime. They politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement to take out a presidential candidate, to take out the President of the United States, to take out a former President of the United States. They lied to a FISA court they continue to lie to Congress as late as 2002 in congressional testimony when there was allegations of perjury to cover up this ongoing criminal conspiracy. They continue to lie to this day. So these are real crimes. I can't think of a bigger scandal in American history than politicizing and weaponizing a political party, including their leader in the White House. Politicizing and weaponizing intelligencies and law enforcement to take out a political opponent and a sitting president and a former president. That's what you do in third world Marxist hellholes.

Glenn Beck (44:44)

Address critics of people say this is just political retribution. This is just a banana republic type stuff. You're just going after Donald Trump's enemies.

Mike Davis (44:57)

We are the Trump 47 Justice Department. Good. And must bring accountability because this, this is republic ending stuff by what Obama and Biden and Hillary and Brennan and Clapper and Comey and Rice and so many others did here. When you politicize and weaponize law enforcement and intel to go after political enemies, you can't get worse than that. That's. Those are Soviet style tactics. That's Iranian style tactics. That's CCP style tactics. That is, those are republic ending tactics. And there must be accountability for this.

Glenn Beck (45:35)

I hope we see it. I know she said more stuff is coming out this weekend. Tulsi did. She said more stuff will be coming out this week. That's what she said over the weekend. Any idea when you would actually see actual movement on this, Mike?

Mike Davis (45:53)

That's a good question. We want to. I think the Trump 47 Justice Department needs to make sure that they have their eyes. Got it and their T's crossed. They cannot fire in this year. This, this has to be done correctly. But there must be accountability and there must, there must be grand jury subpoenas. There must be grand jury evidence, grand jury testimony.

Glenn Beck (46:17)

Should there be a special counsel.

Mike Davis (46:21)

So I would say this. I am, I do do not like special counsels. Yeah, I think they're unconstitutional. I think that a U.S. attorney could handle this. For example, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida can handle this case. That there was a strong nexus to Florida. Remember that was the Mar a Lago raid. They can open up a special grand jury in Fort Pierce, Florida and there's a nominee right now on the Senate floor who needs to get confirmed. His name is Jason Redding Quinones. He's a friend of mine and I think he's a judge in Florida and he would be an ideal person to open a special grand jury and Fort Pierce, Florida and bring these, this open this investigation. And if the evidence lead to it, leads to it. Bring these indictments.

Glenn Beck (47:10)

Mike Davis, Article 3 project founder and president. Thank you, Mike. Appreciate it.

Mike Davis (47:15)

Thank you.

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