Vivek Ramaswamy (2:23)

It is great to be with you, Glenn. Thanks for having me on.

Stu Burguiere (2:26)

You bet. So here's. I wanna start with this premise and I know you're the same way I really don't care about the politics at this point. Politics will follow later. I want to know the truth. And if I'm reading the Washington Post or New York Times, they're saying, this is not news. These are all fake. These were all Russian tools, you know, put out to discredit Hillary Clinton. And so we shouldn't pay any attention. Tell me what was released and what you think at this point is true and not true.

John Solomon (3:01)

Yeah.

Vivek Ramaswamy (3:01)

So what was put out yesterday is called the appendix, the classified appendix. The John Durham's final report, the special prosecutor who looked at Russiagate. This is something he couldn't release publicly because it involved highly classified intercepts that the United States government had. These intercepts are of Russian spies, the GRU and other Russian spy agencies. And this has been a very successful program. There are multiple ways we intercept the Russian spies, but over the years, we've used this to make very major decisions about Russia. So the information is deemed to relatively be reliable. In fact, James Comey thought it was so reliable for this program that he used information from this program to rush out and wave his magic wand and decide that on his own, even though he wasn't the Attorney General, he would clear Hillary Clinton of wrongdoing in the scandal. Why? Because the Russian intercept suggested that Loretta lynch was part of an effort to fix the case. And he didn't want that to happen, so he fixed the case himself. And that. So we've acted on. We've acted on this intelligence over the years. In July of 16, Durham says the United States government intercepted information saying that the Russians had found out that Hillary Clinton had developed a plan and personally approved it to hang a fake Russian shingle on Donald Trump's campaign house, basically accuse him of being a Vladimir Putin stooge, maybe be involved in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee computers. And it was deemed so credible that John Brennan ran and briefed Barack Obama and he briefed the entire senior leadership. Joe Biden, Barack Obama, James Comey, James Clapper, and of course, John Brennan himself was the recipient of the information. So his agency did it rather than investigate it, rather than use it as a reason to be dubious. When Christopher Steele walks his dossier in or Michael Sussman walks in his Alpha Bank. Baloney. They actually lean into it. They actually decide they're going to investigate these allegations as real, even though there was enormous reason to be paused. Now, in these information, there are purported emails in which someone in the George Soros world writes, hey, I just got told. Now Hillary Clinton's going to Hang this single. And the FBI is going to participate. Now, he denies he wrote the email.

Stu Burguiere (5:17)

Wait, wait, wait. He says. He says, I don't remember writing it. No, one of the lines kind of sounds like me, but I have no recollection of it. Or did he actually say absolutely false, I didn't do it?

Vivek Ramaswamy (5:30)

Yeah, he said, I wouldn't have used language like that. I didn't write that email. He does now. Jake Sullivan is a little bit different. Jake Sullivan is. I don't remember, but I can't rule it out. So Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser to both Clinton and Biden over the years, has a little bit different. But as you walk through this, the intelligence community ultimately decides that this is probably not a fabrication. The FBI does so in 2017. Now doesn't stop them from continuing to investigate the bogus Russia collusion pact. But they decide that this intelligence is likely not fabricated. The CIA believes that it's likely predictive. Now, the way the program works, sometimes the Russian spies will fabricate in some way the detail. They'll make it look like it's an email, but it's really a summary. So we're aware of that. But what we generally know is whatever we get from the program is probably accurate, even if it's not an exact replica of an email or an exact replica of a text message. And so both the Intelligence Committee said there's likely, the FBI said that this is not, not fabricated. It probably is reliable information and history will tell us that what we intercepted actually happened. Hillary Clinton did exactly what we know. They authorized the Steele Dowse, they authorized the Sussman Alpha bank stuff. They went out on the news media and tried to paint Donald Trump as a fake Russian stooge for Vladimir Putin when he wasn't. And I want to point out the most important evidence that the early intelligence people realized look like the Russians either were fortune tellers or they knew and had intercepted a real plan. One of the early intercepts is that what's going to happen is they're going to. Hillary Clinton has approved this plan. And then we're reaching out to Joe Biden. For Joe Biden to take the lead on this. Well, guess what happens within 24 hours of that intercept. Joe Biden goes out and he's the very first major Democrat to go suggest that Donald Trump's got a problem with Russia, he's a stooge, and that he's going to be bad for America, and then he's owned by Vladimir Putin. How would the Russians know that? How would they guess that and just know that that would happen. How would they know that? You know, the FBI was going to open up a case in a few days. So when the intelligence community looked back at this, the actual events of what played out with Hillary Clinton looks like exactly what the Russians knew in advance. And that's why they gave great credence to the idea that whether a specific email is accurate or not, the general information the Russians had intercepted likely occurred.

Stu Burguiere (8:04)

So then why did Durham bury this stuff? Because what they're saying is they had all this stuff. Durham was, you know, this is under the Trump administration. Why didn't this come out if it was so real? This is just. They're just doing a hatchet job on, you know, Hillary and Obama. I mean, the New York Times said the reason why this is out is because he's trying to avoid his name being, you know, in the Epstein files or whatever.

Vivek Ramaswamy (8:30)

That's right.

Stu Burguiere (8:31)

So. So why didn't we come out with this? Why are we just hearing about it now?

Vivek Ramaswamy (8:36)

Well, in fairness, there were parts of the. You had to work hard because John Durham's team is not a good writing team. But the original report in the unclassified version had a lot of this. And I wrote about it a couple years ago, and I spent the last two years trying to get this declassified. And when I brought President Trump on my show a couple weeks ago, I asked him, he said, I'll do it. And two weeks later, he gave it to Joe, to Chuck Grassy. So he did what we asked him to do. I had been advocating for the release of the classified version for two years. You could tell there was something very important. John Durham generally talks about the Clinton Plan initiative. Most reporters didn't see it as significant. I did. And I think now we see why it's significant, which is the FBI had a very good reason not to investigate Steele's dossier based on this intercept. It had a very good reason not to go to the FISA court and seek fault fake surveillance warrants. It had a very good reason not to bring the United States through the trauma of what we call Russiagate. But they chose not to do it. And it's the same FBI that a few months more earlier had used the same Russian intelligence intercept program to take concrete action in the Hillary Clinton case. So when it's beneficial to a Democrat, they treat the Russian intelligence as real, and when it's detrimental to a Democrat, they try to dismiss it as Russian disinformation. I'll just say this. History shows in the Last few years, when the New York Times tells you that something is true or not true on Russia, they've been generally wrong a lot. And when Democrats call something Russian disinformation, like the Hunter Biden laptop, we should all be a little dubious. That is going on right now. That machinery of the New York Times and the Democrats are back to the Hunter Biden language, we should be dubious. We should get to the facts. One of the things in the New York Times story this morning, completely omitted in the Durham report, it says that the FBI concluded that these were likely not fabrication. You think the New York Times would put that in their story, but I couldn't find it in there.

Stu Burguiere (10:27)

No, it's not. It's not. John, give me the best argument on their side. That should cause you to pause and go, well, maybe, maybe this isn't right. Can you find what is there?

Vivek Ramaswamy (10:41)

A mess. Go ahead. Yeah. John Durham never found an email, though he had access to subpoenas. I don't think he never found an email that matches the one that is attributed to the Source Foundation. He did find others and he found language in other emails that were sent that are identical, but just not from this guy. Now, that is something that happens a lot with the Russians. They may, they know that we're spying on them. So sometimes they mix things up. They intentionally say this came from Joe when it came from John, so that if we do intercept it, we think it's misinformation, but in fact they have it. So John Durham ultimately concludes that these were probably compilations of real intelligence. By the way, that's a very important thing John Durham says, all right, it doesn't matter if the emails are exactly from who they say they are, the intelligence in them is likely to have been true.

Stu Burguiere (11:31)

So this is another reason why I felt that these were credible when they first. Before I even read any of it, I started reading some of the, you know, summaries of them and commentaries about them. And the left was immediately saying, it's old, it doesn't matter. It was 10 years ago. And I thought, wow, Russian disinformation. And it doesn't matter anyway. That's usually the sign that it's.

Vivek Ramaswamy (11:57)

We heard that song, it's going to be a country song. Somebody.

Stu Burguiere (11:59)

Yeah, what makes this, what makes this different than all of the other stuff that doesn't go anywhere?

Vivek Ramaswamy (12:07)

Well, listen, it may not. It may not be different. And that will be the legacy of this era that we unraveled one of the worst political scandals in history and we really couldn't hold anyone accountable.

Stu Burguiere (12:17)

Why do you say. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Why do you say this is one of the worst political scandals in American history? That's quite a statement.

Vivek Ramaswamy (12:25)

It is. Because no other time in history have we found a US Intelligence and FBI apparatus used to carry out a political dirty prick. Listen, they knew the Steele dossier was fake. They decided they continued to use it to spy and mislead the FISA court. They knew that the career officials of the Intelligence Committee didn't think Vladimir Putin was trying to help Donald Trump win the election, and they overruled them and rewrote the report. Those are incredible abuses. These are the most powerful tools we give the US Intelligence community and the FBI. They're supposed to only be used to go after our enemies, terrorists, intelligence threats to America. And in this era, from the 2016 to 2019 timeframe, we see those communities are being used to carry out political missions to denigrate a political opponent, to falsely call true evidence of wrongdoing against a Democrat. The Hunter Biden laptop disinformation to use the FISA court to spy on your political enemy, submitting to it to get that permission. Unreliable and inaccurate information. That is one of the greatest abuses in past times. We've had a lot of abuses in intelligence communities. Things like we tortured people and we did things. Here, the abuse is the American people. The intelligence tools were used to carry out a political dirty trick designed to deceive the American public about who they elected and who they might elect. And I think that's why it's such a big scandal. You have to get the 30,000ft to look at it. You can get into the weeds and then it gets complicated. But the FBI and CIA were used to deceive the American people and to potentially thwart the will after they elected Donald Trump. That's something we can't allow to happen again.

Stu Burguiere (14:07)

John, thank you. Thank you for everything you do. I know I say this to you every time, but you're one of the few guys I really trust and. And I appreciate all the hard work you do. Thank you.

Vivek Ramaswamy (14:16)

That means a lot. Thank you, Glenn.

Stu Burguiere (14:17)

You bet.

John Solomon (14:18)

Bye.

Stu Burguiere (14:18)

Bye. John Solomon. Just the News. If you don't read Just the News every day, you should. It is. It's great. They are on top of the stories that actually matter. And John is a guy who is fair. I know because he'll piss me off at times. He'll say things, he'll report things, and I'll be like, no, I want it to be true. I want the other side to be true. And that's how, you know. You know, people ask me all the time, how do you. How do you know who to trust? Well, I look for people that will say things on both sides and they will say, this is true, this is not true. And you're not always happy with what they have to say.

John Solomon (14:58)

The best of the Glenn Beck program.

Stu Burguiere (15:00)

It is really amazing, Stu, isn't it, how the New York Times and the Washington Post both are pretty much ignoring this. I mean, they're not ignoring it. They're running one story saying, you know, basically the same thing they said on the Hunter Biden laptop, exactly the same thing. And the mainstream media is following them doing exactly the same thing. You want to talk about, you know, doing the same thing and expecting different results. They're insane. They have gone insane because they're doing exactly the same thing and they're expecting now different results than I think when what they're, you know, it hasn't been working for a long time, and I don't think this is going to work. The only thing they have going for them on this one is they'll say it's old and all these people are in the past and it's confusing and it is, but it doesn't matter how old this is. It's important to correct it.

Glenn Beck (15:59)

Yeah. You know, reading the New York Times take on this, they, I would say, are leaning harder into. It's just not real. It's not. Yes. You know, it's more of that. One of the, One of the most shocking things in it is they claim they basically get mad at Durham for putting all of this in the annex because. Because it show that it. Because they were hiding the fact that this plan was likely Russian intelligence, which is, I guess, what they come up with as a summary of it.

Stu Burguiere (16:29)

Right.

Glenn Beck (16:29)

But we didn't even know about the plan.

Stu Burguiere (16:33)

I know.

Glenn Beck (16:34)

What do you mean? He was hiding that it was Russian intelligence. We didn't even know about these messages really until today or yesterday.

Stu Burguiere (16:41)

And they're pretty incredible. Even if they are pieces of other emails and Russian pieces, you can see and as John said, what those emails say happened. So, I mean, what a coincidence that is. Here's what the Washington Post said. The report contains no proof that as Trump officials and allies have alleged in recent weeks, Clinton and senior US officials close to President Barack Obama schemed to concoct erroneous Trump links to Moscow, sullying his 2016 election victory in first term, the existence of unverified intelligence suggesting Clinton approved A campaign plan to tie Trump to Russia has been publicly known since at least 2020. Okay, so they hid it until 2020. And so, you know, it's old. So why do you, why do you even care? Well, because it does show and it's not close to President Barack Obama. It is President Barack Obama. You know, one of the things I'm really so frustrated about, and they'll never do it because it'll expose the whole thing, you know, And I know that they have. The NSA has every keystroke of everybody's. Every. Everybody. They have every keystroke. And if you're important, you don't get dumped and cleared out. You know what I mean? That's what those NSA server farms are in Utah. I mean, it's a side of a mountain. A side of a mountain, deep underneath. It's just server farms. Well, what do you think they're collecting? And every time I hear, well, we don't know, that's a lost email. They can't. The NSA has it now. The reason why they won't produce it is because then they have to admit, oh, yeah, we're keeping all of that information, but, you know, they have it. And it just pisses me off because they'll use that stuff against you and me, but not against the power structure. New York Times said the declassified Durham Report annex shows the special counsel set out to prove the Clinton plan emails were real, but decided they were fakes made by Russian spies. That is such a. I mean, that is, hello, Satan. That is exactly the way Satan works. You know, a little bit of truth and a little bit of lie. And yes, they were fakes made by Russian spies, but that's not all. He said they think they were cobbled together from real things. And again, how do you explain the wild coincidence that all those things happened? This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. We have Vivek Ramaswamy coming up in just a minute. He's running for governor and he was, you know, he was born and raised in Cincinnati. And I really, I really want to know, you know, what, what is the deal with this incident? What is happening? And is there, is there any evidence that we don't have all of the picture? Because I got to believe if there, if that was happening, you know, people thrown around the N word. And I can see that happening. I'm not denying that that could happen. Thrown around the N word and just, you know, they're just. Everybody's being pigs. You know, I could see that, but I, I would think we would know about that. And I. I'm reading stuff about, you know, well, Ohio has a bad history of race relations. Well, you know what if you want to go back, because I'm blamed for slavery back in the old timey days. If you want to play that game, I'll play that. On the opposite end, Ohio was a central stop on the Underground Railroad. Tens of thousands of people. I think Tubman even was sending people up through Ohio. It was key to the Underground Railroad. So, you know, it might have bad race relations right now, but historically speaking, Ohio played a very important role in the end of slavery and race relations. Vivek is on the phone with us now. Hi, Vivek, how are you?

John Solomon (20:50)

Glenn, how you doing?

Stu Burguiere (20:51)

I'm great. I'm great. You know, you were born in Cincinnati and, you know, you're following this because you're running for governor, by the way, I hear you're doing really well, and I'm happy to hear that.

John Solomon (21:04)

Thank you.

Stu Burguiere (21:05)

I see the city councilwoman, I see the police chief saying, well, you don't know all the facts. And I might not know all the facts. And even if there are more facts, it doesn't justify what we saw. But have you seen any other facts that the public doesn't know about on this beatdown?

John Solomon (21:28)

Glenn? I think that the basic point is common sense. We should not have everyday, hardworking Americans who are afraid to go into their cities, particularly a city like Cincinnati, for fear of being beaten up, for fear of assault, for fear battery. And I did speak to the victim, Holly, who was assaulted. I spoke to her on Monday. At the time, I had spoken to her. One of the things that surprised me is that she said not a single state or local official had even reached out to her at that point in time. And that was on Monday after the Friday night of the incident, which was remarkable. And I reached out because we wanted to be helpful in any way. I mean, I saw she had some neck injuries. My wife Apoorva is one of the top throat surgeons in the country here in Ohio, so we want to see how we could help. But I was surprised that frankly, not a single public official at the city level or the state level had even reached out. And I can see why, in part because there is a culture of fear around these issues relating to violence and urban crime in particular in Cincinnati. So I grew up there, as you said. I was born and raised in Cincinnati, lived my first 18 years of my life there, went to public schools through eighth grade public schools, where there was frequently, you know, Fights and stuff breaking out. I went to a Catholic high school for high school after that. And I will tell you a number of the people I went to school with, grade school, high school, who still live in Cincinnati. I live in Columbus now, but they're in Cincinnati. Reach out and say thank you for saying something about this, because we've noticed this issue. There is a culture of fear in our city. There's also fear of people being able to go to the city without the risk of violent crime. I think the risk for the stats right now, sadly, are 1 in 137 is your chance of being a victim of violent crime. So my view is I don't care what Democrat or Republican party you're in. I don't care what your skin color is. We ought to be united around the issue of fighting violent crime in our cities. And this is, in part directly the result. I'm sorry to say it, Glenn, but it's true. It is directly the result of this defund the police, the anti cop, the anti rule of law culture that spread across our country. And I want to be a governor who's able to speak that truth in a manner that unites people, not divides people, but doesn't hide from that truth or sweep it under the rug either, because I do think that's what's going to be required to address the problem.

Stu Burguiere (23:50)

You know, as a whole society, we also have to start striving to be above animals. I mean, you know, I watched this, and it was like watching fifth graders, you know, everybody standing around a fight and it was like, fight, fight, fight. I mean, you're not. You're not in fifth grade anymore. I didn't see anybody. And this is what a civil society would do. I didn't really see anybody step in and go, hey, hey, hey, hey, guys, back off, back up. What I saw were people that were cheering it on, or not involved suddenly jumping in and getting involved, which was terrifying. When the female went down, I thought they killed her. I mean, her eyes were open. She was out cold.

John Solomon (24:35)

That was a dangerous. I've talked to her several times in the last week, Glenn, and it is very sad. She's a working mom, She's a single mother, and she's somebody who on a rare occasion went to the city to have a good time for some, for a friend's birthday party. I think it's unconscionable that not only after she was knocked out, she wasn't even able to take an ambulance. She had to call her own Uber to get out of there, that situation of risk. And I just think that we have to think about ways. We have to improve the way we're doing things.

Stu Burguiere (25:06)

What do you mean she couldn't take an ambulance?

John Solomon (25:09)

Well, there wasn't an ambulance. She called an Uber. And so this is, this is, this is the kind of thing that's just sad. And I do think we ought to have an open conversation about. First of all, there's reports now that one of the assailants was let out on bond for a different crime or offense alleged earlier this month. So in the month of July, earlier that same month was out on bond with somebody who previously was, was convicted of other crimes. And so we got to rethink some of the breakages in our judicial system. We got to rethink what it means to have more of a law enforcement presence on our streets, at least in predictable hours of when there's a baseball game going on, when there's a national music concert on a Friday night in certain areas of urban parts of our cities, does it mean that we deter crime by having just a greater law enforcement presence? And I think we got to have that conversation in the open. And I say this as somebody, Glenn, who will be the first person to not only recognize but shout from the foothills. There are so many good men and women working very hard, men and women in blue in the Cincinnati Police Department who I respect deeply for their service. It's not their individual fault by any stretch, and anybody who says so misses the point. But the point is, what kind of leadership do we bring to a city, to a state, to say that we do stand for not defunding the police, but funding the police, that we stand for allowing them to do their jobs with that fear of looking over their shoulder for being sued, and also to be able to have a judicial system and necessary reforms that don't just send violent criminals right back onto the street? This is common sense stuff, right? This is not left. This shouldn't be at least left versus right stuff, right? This is common sense. And that's why I'm running for governor. I do believe that we have had too many politicians who have tried to sweep these issues under the rug for too long. I'm going to Cincinnati actually, on Monday, Glenn. Part of my point is I want to practice what we preach. I called a friend of mine who's a former NAACP Cincinnati chapter president, a former vice mayor of the city, who actually has been quite thoughtful on a lot of these issues as well. We're going to co host a town hall, anybody come? If you disagree with my politics, that's fine, you could show up. But we're going to have a conversation about how we crush crime in my hometown of Cincinnati and how we crush crime in cities across our state. And I hope Ohio sets a model nationwide for putting an end to this epidemic of lawlessness and violence and do it in a way that brings us together through open dialogue. That's what I favor. And so that's the kind of leader I'm hoping to be for our state. So I'm in this and, you know, hopefully we're going to succeed.

Stu Burguiere (27:39)

I hope that does succeed because Cincinnati is a great town, just a great, great town.

John Solomon (27:45)

It is.

Stu Burguiere (27:45)

And I wouldn't go into Cincinnati now. I wouldn't tell me. And you know, one of the reasons why I wouldn't is not just because of what I saw in this video, but the reaction from one of the city council members, from the police chief, your governor. What do you say to that? Police chief?

John Solomon (28:03)

Look, I've had conversations with all of these folks, you know, one on one, not all of them, but many of them. And look, I want to be a leader who's bringing together people across the state whether they like me or not, right? Whether they agree with my politics or not. But what I will say is this. It is time for a new generation of leadership that speaks hard truth, that speaks with a spine as it relates to law enforcement. We need critical out of the box solutions. I mean, you think about Even in the 90s, you know, Clinton and Gingrich back then talked about the idea of equipping localities with cops to deter violence and then leaving it to the localities after that. Well, at the state level, should we be thinking about similar solutions? I think we ought to at least have a conversation about it, thinking about bail reforms, at least in common sense ways that we're not sending back violent criminals right back into the street to be a repeat offender when we know that's a high risk to rest the rest of ordinary law abiding Americans trying to have a good time in the cities where they live. So I think these are issues where you do have a lot of leaders, including governors, including mayors, who try to sweep these issues under the rug, hope they go away. That's not a strategy. In fact, it causes frustration to fester. And when people have frustrations that they don't feel free to talk about, that's when actually bad things happen. That's what actually spurns social division. And I think true cohesion comes from being able to Confront these issues head on. And so that town hall in Cincinnati, I don't know how it's going to go. I hope it goes well, but it's on Monday evening. But I think that, you know, I did one of these in Springfield last year. Remember Springfield, when it was in Ohio as well. The theme of national news. And I will tell you, Ohio have.

Stu Burguiere (29:39)

A bad history of race relations.

John Solomon (29:42)

You know, it's not. It's not that Ohio has a. I mean, you brought up a great point. You think about Ohio, we're the end of the Underground Railroad. Cincinnati was the final destination. So you think about a long enough course of history. Ohio was part of the emancipation movement in the United States of America. So have there been issues over time? Sure. You go back to the early 2000s. There were. There were racially charged riots in the city. The National Guard had to come out. This, back when I was in high school, etched into my brain. But that's true in different places across the country. I think Ohio is a great place, actually, to embody the best of what our country is about. You know, you go to Cincinnati, you go to Columbus, you draw across. You draw a circle around it. You got a cross section of the country. And more than California or New York or even, I may say, Glenn, even more than Texas or Florida. The beautiful thing about Ohio is that we're a cross section of the entire United States. So if we're going to get these issues right for the country, Ohio ought to be ground zero for fixing it. And I think that's what. On the positive side, I wouldn't call it a particular history of trouble, but I think we are a part of the country that's diverse enough. That's in every sense that you see a lot of these things bubbling up in Ohio. We got to fix them first in Ohio.

Stu Burguiere (30:47)

I have to tell you, you would have Talked to me 30 years ago, and you would have said, this guy has a particular history of alcoholism and hard to work with and yada, yada. I'm not that guy. You just have to choose. And an inspiring leader. Desantis is one here in Florida. An inspiring leader. Somebody who just says, no, we're going in a different direction. Direction. People want to be safe. They want to. I don't care what color you are, what, you know, income bracket you're in. You want to be safe. You want your family to be safe, your children to be able. You want to be able to go into town and. And, you know, have a nice night. You don't want to Feel all of this stuff. And you don't want to have bad race relations. I mean, some do, but I think a very, very small number do. And, you know, you can change things, you know, if you're leading by example. But it's going to be hard because there's a lot of people that have power that don't want to fix these. I'm convinced of it. They don't want to fix these problems.

John Solomon (31:55)

Well, that's why I'm in this, Glenn, is that I think if yesterday's politician was going to fix it, it would have happened already. But I think it's going to take a new generation that says, I'm not even making this about Republican versus Democrat politics. You know, I mean, is there a dimension to it? We could. Sure. But forget about that common sense, right? Should you follow the law? Should you be able to enjoy your cities without fear of getting beaten up or assaulted? Should you be able to speak your mind freely in the open without fear of government retribution? These are the basic tenets of just what it means to be an American to live in the best country known to the history of mankind. That's what it means to be an American. I think it's the birthright of every American to live those basic aspects of the American dream. And I want to at least revive the Ohio dream and the version of that in the heart of the country that represents the country. And you're right, people are hungry to be led at this point. You know, it's easy to just tell your followers the same things they want to hear. And it's easy to just preach, you know, and lambast the other side. I'm not doing that. What I want to do is I want to speak truth. And there are a lot of people in the inner city of Cincinnati who are every bit as worried about this epidemic of crime that might have voted Democrat in the past that still don't feel safe. And the fact of the matter is, we have an opportunity to bring them into our tent and our coalition as well. That's what I'm working to do. And, you know, I think it's basic common sense, safety, a good education, the economic mobility, and the right to speak freely. These are your birthrights as Americans, and that's what we're going to fight for and revive here in the state of Ohio.

Stu Burguiere (33:21)

Well, I have to tell you, Vivek, thank you. And you know, if you've listened to me for a long time, I don't endorse people, but I also don't Lie to you and tell you, you know something. I don't pretend to be neutral when I'm not. If I lived in Ohio, I would be voting for Vivek. I think he is dynamic and part of a very bright future. Vivekforohio.com is his is his address where you can go find out more about his candidacy and maybe help him out as well. Vivek, I'd love to talk to you next week after you have had this meeting to see how it went.

John Solomon (33:55)

Yeah. I'll tell you what we learned. Take care.

Stu Burguiere (33:57)

Thank you very much. Vivek Ramaswamy, Ohio gubernatorial candidate.

Glenn Beck (34:07)

You're listening to the Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

Stu Burguiere (34:10)

All right, Stu, go over the jobs report. It just came out today. Yeah.

Glenn Beck (34:14)

They showed a gain of 73,000 jobs. This is not a particularly good number.

Stu Burguiere (34:20)

No.

Glenn Beck (34:21)

I think you could look at it and say when you examine it a little closer, it does show some pretty strange things. First of all, almost all of the job gains are coming from the healthcare industry that is consistent over several months. In fact, there's a chart that shows the six month change of employment. Most of the lines are either flat or slightly negative. There's a couple industries that have slight growth, financial activities, leisure and hospitality. But over. Well, I mean, it's almost like one of those old Covid charts with jobs where you just see all these little lines and then there's this giant line that careens off the screen almost. Private education and health services are the industries that are showing almost all the growth in the United States right now.

Stu Burguiere (35:18)

I'm so glad to hear that about private education. I mean, that shows that we are actively engaging in something that we know has failed us and we're changing our lives as a people. I think that's good. The other thing, healthcare. I would love to know what parts of healthcare is that? Insurance or is that like doctors and nurses? Do you have any idea?

Glenn Beck (35:46)

I don't have the breakdown of that in front of me. I can look for it though. It's probably in this data. I'm just kind of scanning, scanning through a bunch of the data. Yeah, it does show without health care jobs, we've as a nation have lost jobs overall for three straight months. Wow. Part of this was a major revision to the data which showed a loss of 255,000 jobs from the two previous months that had already been reported.

Stu Burguiere (36:14)

So a major negative is wrong with this. Why can't they get this right? This is not that hard. This was happening all the last four years. Much worse than that. And now it's happening again.

Glenn Beck (36:26)

You're talking about just revisions. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there have always been revisions. It does seem to be bigger lately. So you look at all that, and this is a largely discouraging report, I would say, overall. But we're seeing in some of the prediction markets, odds for a recession are going up. However, what we're talking about as far as where they resolved is like 15 to 20% is what people are saying is a chance for a recession. So it's not like, again, a lot of times, I think this stuff gets blown out of proportion and everybody's catastrophic or incredibly jubilant. Right. Like, gosh, everything's working. We shut up. All these economists, they were all wrong. I think what we're seeing now is it's probably too early to take a victory lap or, you know, jump off.

Stu Burguiere (37:16)

A building doom parade. You know, I have to tell you, I think we should take a moment here and recognize, do you remember what the economy was like, you know, six months ago, a year ago? Everything was trending in the wrong direction. Everything was trending in the wrong direction. For us not to be in a recession at this point, I think is pretty remarkable, especially with the amount of changes that Donald Trump is making to some of the fundamental structures of America. You know, look at, look at the job numbers and then the numbers of the people he has fired from government. When you're talking about reducing, for instance, the Department of education by 50%, that is going to affect your job numbers. It's going to.

Glenn Beck (38:01)

Yeah. And that's important to note as well. And that is in the data, the government jobs are down. Again, not to a point where it would outweigh some of the other stuff we're talking about, but it is down. We expect there to be more of that coming. And I think you can look at that. And I think it is an important factor. It doesn't necessarily overwhelm the fact that these reports for jobs have not been positive. It doesn't overwhelm that because again, to me and you, government jobs going away is a necessary thing. It might hurt the job number reports for a few months.

Stu Burguiere (38:39)

But, like, that's what Carol Roth has been saying for months. Gotta be careful. Don't wanna move too fast on that.

Glenn Beck (38:43)

Yeah, you don't wanna.

Stu Burguiere (38:44)

Yep.

Glenn Beck (38:44)

And I think you gotta be careful. But I look at that as a situation that is needed and I think Donald Trump does as well. So I don't look at that and say, okay, well, that's, you know, I'm gonna sit here and cry about government jobs going away. And it'll take time for people who've lost those government jobs to find their way in another industry. But it is an important part to note that that is a chunk of this picture.

Stu Burguiere (39:11)

So here's what I would really, I'd like to try to reframe this in your mind as a listener, if I can. We have got to stop looking at everything through the lens of the glasses that we have always used our entire life, my entire life. You can look at job numbers and you can say, well, it's this or this and we have to fix this. And this is growth and this is not. And you know, here's the growth industry. Honestly, we don't know what tomorrow holds anymore because of AI, because of this, this AI revolution that we are on the verge of. And I, I've told you this for years, but maybe it will start to make sense to you between now and 2030. That's four years now. In 2030, there will be as much change to business and life itself as there has been for the last 400 years. So from the moment of the Enlightenment until today, that amount of change is coming in the next four to five years. And that's so huge, it's hard to believe or get your arms around, but that is true. So when we look at jobs, I mean, you know, if I were looking short term and I'm 20 and I'm like, okay, what do I do? I learn how to weld, I learn how to build. I learn how to get involved in building power plants and server farms because I know that's an industry that is going to grow in the next five to 10 years. It's going to be nonstop growth. And AI is not going to be able to take over an actual build yet. Maybe in the 10 years, maybe, but not right away. So it's going to take labor. If I'm looking to do something in labor, that's the kind of labor I'm looking at. But when you're going to school, what do you go to school for? Health care. And I'm telling you, I. Being a doctor is getting harder and harder. You don't necessarily, you know, make the kind of money that you used to because you've got this gigantic bill, you're paying off. And it's very frustrating. And I believe in, within 10 years, I think easy, in 10 years, there's going to be so much growth on AI that you, your job as a doctor will be more of hand holding than anything else. I mean, you still, for a while will be doing surgery, but if you're a doctor, you should be doing robotic surgery right now. You should be looking, you should be leading the movement in robotic surgery to be able to do what you do faster and better and using new technology in healthcare. I think the, I think the growth. And I could be wrong. I don't know anything about health care. Just, just trying to understand. Let me say it this way. What is the biggest problem our kids are dealing with right now? They're dealing with nothing having meaning. And they're dealing with the. Whether they know it or not, they're dealing with these problems because they, they don't have meaning. Real human connection anymore. Okay? They're talking to each other all the time, but it's all on, you know, it's, it's all on text. They're not relating. And when you're sick, there comes a time that you're going to need human interaction and you're going to be monitored by all kinds of AI devices and everything else. And you're in the hospital, whatever. You may not have a lot of nurses because AI will be doing all of the, the grunt work, if you will. But there's going to come a time where nurses are so important because they're your human connection. You need to look somebody in the eye who's human that can hold your hand. The empathetic things are going to be a growth industry. And I'm not sure I even know what this is. I'm just thinking about these things out loud. But sending your kid into college right now to be an accountant, again, this is not my area of expertise. So take it for what it's worth. But I would reconsider if you're going in for law, I would reconsider already, you know, the law clerks that those jobs are gone. Those jobs are gone or quickly going away because you can get AI to do so much. You're going to need somebody to argue cases, but you're not going to need somebody that needs to go through, you know, go through all of the records, all of the law check, you know, can you read this contract and check this contract to make sure it's right? AI is already doing most of that, you know, you just don't necessarily know that, but the attorneys do. You're going to school, and in this time it might be better until we know what's coming, to focus on trade, to focus on trade schools, for instance, you know, building, welding, healthcare, things that you can do even temporarily. Or honestly, things that make you more empathetic instead of building debt for a world where you just don't know what's going to be. I mean, honestly, accounting, it's, it's machine's going to do it, A machine is going to do it. It's just the way it is. You're going to need the personal interface.

John Solomon (45:22)

But.

Stu Burguiere (45:24)

This large pool is not going to be needed and everything is going to change. So when you're looking at these job numbers, what we should be talking about is that these numbers may actually be good looking back three years from now.