Can Trump Legally Send Troops to Chicago? | 8/25/25

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The Glenn Beck Program

Episode: Can Trump Legally Send Troops to Chicago? | 8/25/25
Date: August 25, 2025
Host: Glenn Beck
Podcast Network: Blaze Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Glenn Beck explores the constitutional and political issues surrounding President Donald Trump’s recent comments about sending federal troops into crime-ridden cities like Chicago. The discussion delves into the legal limits of presidential power, the historic precedents for federal intervention, and the broader trade-offs between security and constitutional principles. The episode also addresses gerrymandering, government investment in private industry via the CHIPS Act, and the latest news regarding the California high-speed rail debacle, with insights on the deep state and shifts in media narratives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Can Trump Legally Send Troops to Chicago?

[06:28–21:30]

• Glenn unpacks whether President Trump has the constitutional authority to send troops to Chicago to address crime, referencing Trump’s own comments and the reaction from Chicago's mayor.
• Washington, D.C. Exception:
  – D.C. is a federal district, not a state, so the president can directly send law enforcement/military for 30 days (needs congressional approval for longer). – Trump’s intervention in D.C. reportedly led to no murders in 10 days:
  "In 10 days, there hasn't been a single murder in Washington, D.C. that's almost a parting of the red seas." — Glenn Beck, [10:30]
• Constitutional Boundaries:
  – Law enforcement is a state power (10th Amendment). – The Insurrection Act (1807) allows intervention only in cases of insurrection or widespread rights violations. Historically invoked for extraordinary events (civil rights crises, riots), not urban crime. – Posse Comitatus Act (1878) restricts use of federal troops as domestic police. – Glenn warns:
  "Once you give the President a precedence to send troops into one city for crime, where does it end?" — [15:50]
• Slippery Slope and Tyranny:
  – Precedents set for “good guys” might be later abused. – "This is what tyranny is, and this is a slope to tyranny. That doesn't mean Trump is a tyrant. It means these are the tools that allow tyrants to grab hold." — Glenn, [16:45]
• What Actually Works?
  – Focused policing (targeting repeat offenders, hotspot policing, genuine sentencing) is effective. – Glenn references historical federal intervention in Chicago (Al Capone era): The feds went after tax evasion and federal crimes, not local policing. – "The President's duty is to protect and preserve and defend the Constitution... Not to bend it because a city is in crisis." — Glenn, [20:00]

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2. Gerrymandering — Historic Problem, Modern Crisis

[25:43–77:46]

• Outlines how partisan map making ("gerrymandering") has warped political representation.
• Current Examples:
  – In states like Illinois and Maryland, significant minority populations get little or no representation due to district maps. – "Massachusetts: one-third of voters choose a Republican, but not one of nine House seats goes Republican." — Glenn, [49:00]
• The Arms Race:
  – Both parties now aggressively gerrymander. Democrats historically did more, now Republicans are responding in kind. – Stu’s poll: 93.8% of their audience supports "max out all red states" in response. [26:40] – "Safe seats do not create better leaders. They create unaccountable leaders." — Glenn, [54:55]
• Fixes & Proposals:
  – Independent map commissions are suggested, but even citizen-led reforms (as in CA) can be overridden for political gain. – Glenn’s “square tent” solution: Congressional districts should be fixed-size, regularly subdivided, with no snaking lines—encouraging local accountability. – Caller suggests returning to Washington-era guideline: one representative per 50,000 people, keeping politicians home (remote Congress), dismantling the culture of DC.
  • "1600 representatives for 330 million people doesn’t seem too many—especially if they stay home." — Glenn, [79:47]
• If No Reform:
  – Without grassroots pressure or a constitutional amendment, the only viable response is for each side to "go nuclear."

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3. EPA Reform & Deep State Resistance

[29:36–39:01]

• Glenn spotlights the work of Lee Zeldin (EPA Administrator), who claims to have trimmed the EPA workforce, axed regulations, and is streamlining agency operations for both economic growth and environmental protection.
• Resistance Inside Agencies:
  – Public letters from career staff opposed to reforms: "You can’t, as an employee…always insist that the ideology of the furthest left president is etched in stone" — Lee Zeldin, [31:03]
• The EPA example illustrates the persistent power struggle inside federal agencies, and the challenge of lasting reform.

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4. CHIPS Act & The Perils of State Capitalism

[86:54–104:02]

• President Trump’s administration is using CHIPS Act funds to buy a 10% stake in Intel (non-voting shares) instead of issuing pure grants:
  – Ostensibly, this prevents corporate handouts and gives taxpayers a share in profits. – However, Glenn warns this is a form of "state capitalism" (akin to China):
  "The government was never supposed to use taxpayer dollars to be a shareholder in private enterprise... that's actually the model of state capitalism in China." — [92:55]
• Potential consequences:
  – Slippery slope—what’s next: Ford, Boeing, grocery stores?
  – Corporate decision-making would be subject to political pressure (“once the government becomes your partner... they're always your partner” — [99:32]). – While this step seems tempting and logical, it changes the relationship between government and the private sector in potentially dangerous ways:
  "It’s a road we should really, really be careful going down. I would argue we shouldn’t." — Stu, [102:04]
• Glenn: He likes the intention but not the precedent and warns about the normalization of public-private partnerships.

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5. California's High-Speed Rail & Government Dysfunction

[110:42–122:18]

• Glenn and Stu ridicule the doomed California high-speed rail, a project started in 2008, still not complete, whose scope and cost have ballooned.
• Key jokes:
  – "By 2040 to 2046, you’ll be able to go from Merced to Bakersfield... That’s a dream come true for many people in California!" — Glenn, [115:03]
• Contrasts with the speedy construction of the Golden Gate Bridge (completed in four years, under budget) and Empire State Building (about a year).
• French rail company SNCF left the project for North Africa, finding California’s political system less functional than Morocco’s.
  "They told the state they were leaving for North Africa, which was less politically dysfunctional." — Stu quoting NYT, [116:27]
• Takeaway: Direct democracy, lack of accountability, and government inefficiency lead to endless, wasteful infrastructure projects.

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6. Shifts in the Media, Deep State, and Elite Accountability

[123:07–end]

• Notable, surprising stories in the mainstream media (CNN and Washington Post): – CNN connected Ghislaine Maxwell with elite circles, including the Clinton Foundation. – WaPo revealed new evidence that Reagan sought to eliminate nuclear missiles, but was thwarted by the “deep state.”
• Glenn sees these as early signs that the mainstream media may be breaking ranks with its usual political protective narratives: "CNN having the balls to turn against the Clintons…Washington Post revealing the deep state. Is that a change or a one-off?" — Glenn, [124:36]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Once you give the President a precedence to send troops into one city for crime, where does it end?"
  — Glenn Beck, [15:50]

• "The reason we have laws is not for the exception of the good guy. We have it for all the bad guys that will follow."
  — Glenn Beck, [16:12]

• "Safe seats do not create better leaders. They create unaccountable leaders."
  — Glenn Beck, [54:55]

• "The government was never supposed to use our taxpayer dollars to be a shareholder in private enterprise…that’s actually the model of state capitalism in China."
  — Glenn Beck, [92:55]

• "SNCF was very angry. They told the state they were leaving for North Africa, which was less politically dysfunctional."
  — Stu, quoting the NYT, [116:27]

• "It’s a road we should really, really be careful going down. I would argue we shouldn’t go down it because it leads to bad things…"
  — Stu, [102:04]

• "Sometimes the Constitution sucks, doesn't it? Sometimes it really sucks because it stops you from doing the right thing."
  — Glenn Beck, [21:25]

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|----------------------------------------------------| | 06:28–21:30| Trump, troops, Chicago, Constitutional issues | | 25:43–77:46| Gerrymandering, representation, reform proposals | | 29:36–39:01| Lee Zeldin, EPA, Deep State challenges | | 86:54–104:02| CHIPS Act, government in private industry | | 110:42–122:18| California High Speed Rail debacle | | 123:07–end | Shifts in media, deep state, notable news stories |

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Tone & Style

Engaging, passionate, humorous, and provocative, with Glenn Beck’s trademark candor and willingness to question both sides of the political aisle. The episode blends storytelling, historical examples, legal analysis, and moments of wry or self-deprecating humor.

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Useful For

• Those following debates on federal power, states’ rights, and urban crime policy.
• Listeners interested in the mechanics—and consequences—of political redistricting.
• Policy-watchers concerned about government-business entanglement.
• Anyone who enjoys thoughtful, principle-driven political commentary with a storytelling twist.

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[Stu]

About Crime in Washington, D.C. this is.

[Glenn Beck]

The national capital of the greatest nation in the world and we had murder rates just a few weeks ago that rivaled some of the worst third world.

[Stu]

Cities anywhere, even in very, very poor.

[Glenn Beck]

Regions of the world. Why did we accept that? Why did we allow it to happen? We allowed it to happen because we had broken leadership in Washington, D.C. and unfortunately, sitting behind the Resolute desk, what we have shown in just under 2 of taking law enforcement seriously is that the American people can have their streets back if their leadership is willing to.

[Stu]

Put in the time and the resources.

[Glenn Beck]

Mr. President, you've shown to Washington, D.C. that we can have safe streets again. We've just got to have the political willpower to focus on the bad guys and to give the American people back their communities. We are focused on doing that thanks to the president's leadership. Okay. Now that is really important. There is one phrase in there that is so critical and I just want you to file it away. And that is we just need to take law enforcement seriously. Law enforcement seriously. Just file that away. I'm going to come back to it here in just a second. Now, here's what Donald Trump said about other cities. Listen, and after we do this, we'll go to another location and we'll make it safe also. We're going to make our country very safe.

[Lee Zeldin]

We're going to make our cities very, very safe.

[Glenn Beck]

Chicago's a mess. You have an incompetent mayor, grossly incompetent, and we'll straighten that one out. Probably be our next one after this and it won't even be tough. And the people in Chicago, Mr. Vice President, are screaming for us to come.

[Lee Zeldin]

They're wearing red hats just like this one. But they're wearing red hats.

[Glenn Beck]

African American ladies, beautiful ladies are saying, please, President Trump come to Chicago, Please. I did great with the black vote, as you know, and they want something to happen. So I think Chicago will be our next. And then we'll help with New York. And we're going to help with, I think, really, I think a lot of, and a lot of these people that you see on television, they are, including the people in this audience, they'll say bad things about me, and then they'll say, thank God he's here. Okay, so now the next after DC Is going to be Chicago. All right, I'm going to get to that here in just a second. Now, let me play the Chicago mayor. And what the Chicago mayor said when he heard this from Donald Trump, here is the incompetent Chicago mayor, cut 13. And so, you know, look, we're going to remain firm. We'll take legal action. But the people in this city are accustomed to rising up against tyranny. And if that's necessary, I believe that the people of Chicago will stand firm alongside of me as I work every single day to protect the people of this city. Okay, I just want to ask you some questions. What is tyranny? What is our Constitution? What does our Constitution mean? Are there breaking points? Are there exceptions? Do the ends justify the means? Do you want safer streets? At what cost? Do you want those safer streets? Let me, let me start with a warning here. At least on the surface, the president does not have a clear constitutional path to federalized police in Chicago or any other city outside of Washington, D.C. it just doesn't. Now, remember, I said a clear path. Go back and think about what I was saying about JD Vance. What did he say? He said they just have to take law enforcement seriously. I'm going to come back to this. But Washington D.C. is not a state. It's a district. It's a federal territory. It is completely different than anything else in America. And the founders designed it that way. They, they didn't want the nation's capital dependent, you know, or held hostage by some state. So this means that the president does have direct authority to bring federal law enforcement in to D.C. even the military, to patrol the streets for 30 days. Then it requires Congress to act and pass a bill that says he can continue to do that. And crime has gone down dramatically in 10 days. There hasn't been a single murder in Washington, D.C. that's almost a parting of the red seas. Okay, so let's catalog this. Washington, D.C. is different. He has the right to do it. And it's worked marvelously. Okay, now let's go to the Constitution for a second. The Constitution is very clear. Policing is a state power. It belong. It's a 10th amendment, right? Okay. The federal government cannot police our streets. Now, the president has some tools. One, the Insurrection act of 1807. What is that? I think this is what the president is thinking. That law allows the commander in chief to send troops into a state without the governor's permission if there's an actual insurrection. Now, what does an insurrection mean? That means. Now hear me clearly. If laws are being openly defied on a mass scale or if constitutional rights are being stripped away. Hmm? Okay. Constitutional rights being stripped away. That. That takes us to Johnson. The civil rights era takes us to Kennedy. The Los Angeles riots. Riots in 1992. That's how George W. Bush did it. Civil rights. But these were extraordinary events, right? Gang murders. Do they meet this constitutional threshold? I'm not sure. Here's why. Aren't laws being openly defied on a mass scale? In our cities, especially sanctuary cities, Aren't our laws being openly defied on a mass scale? Now, this is something a court is going to decide because believe me, it's going to go to court. But I think that's where the president is landing. Now, my responsibility is to tell you the truth. Not to make you feel better, not to be on somebody's side, but to tell you what I think the truth is. You may disagree with my opinion, but my opinion means nothing if I don't tell you what I believe is the right thing, what I believe is the wrong thing, and what I believe the truth is, we go a little deeper into the Constitution. We have Posse Comitatus. That's the act of 1878. And it was written precisely to keep the government, federal government, from sending in the army or the military to become a domestic police force. It can't. Why? Because even by the late or mid-1800s, the country still remembered the redcoats. They also still remembered during the Civil War. And people were tired of having the government in their cities by this time. So posse Comitatus came around. Our founders fought a revolution to rid themselves of a government that used soldiers to enforce its will on its own. People, they weren't using. They weren't using the police. They were using soldiers. That's why Alexander Hamilton, who actually believed in a very strong government, still warned of the dangers of a standing army. That's why up Until World War II, we didn't have a standing army. Jefferson Madison, Hamilton, all of them terrified of a standing army. Because once you give the President a precedence to send troops, troops into one city for crime, where does it end? Now you could say, well, it ends with this president. He's going to do it the right way. Yes, but the reason we have laws is not for the exception of the good guy. We have it for all the bad guys that will follow. You might think that it's okay for Donald Trump because I don't think Donald Trump is a fascist. I don't think Donald Trump will abuse us. I think he will. He will quash crime. However, what's going to stop the next president that's not your guy from doing something where you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute. You can't send in the troops to do that. Well, yeah, you can, because you already made the exception. You send somebody into your neighborhood next time, or to a protest or to a school board meeting, that gets out of hand. What do you do if you don't have the Constitution to rely on? This is what tyranny is, and this is a slope to tyranny. That doesn't mean that Donald Trump is a tyrant. It means these are the things, these are the tools that allow tyrants to grab hold. So we know what works. What works? Enforcing the laws. That's what works. Now, are they going to do it? No, Chicago's not going to do it. You know, going after a small group of repeat offenders who drive most of the shootings. Hotspot policing, putting resources in the most dangerous blocks instead of blanketing whole neighborhoods. Those are the things that work. Actually, actually going in and arresting and then sentencing to a real term in jail for real crimes. That, that works. You know, if you want to model for the president. Chicago has already done this once, and the federal government did send in feds. Chicago has always been a tough city because it's always been crime ridden in the, in the city halls. Okay. It's always been dirty. So what happened? Well, during Prohibition, there was a lot of people making an awful lot of money and they had money to spread around for every politician. Everybody would just keep their mouths shut. And the guy who was doing it was Al Capone. Well, they didn't send in the army. They, they could have, I guess you could have said, well, they're, they're not enforcing the law in Chicago. Look at what's happening. Everybody's been bribed. The president at the time didn't send in the military. Let me tell you what he did here in 60 seconds. First let me tell you about the Cozy Earth. When you think of luxury, maybe you picture a five star hotel or some high end spa or you know, a friend that seems to have everything figured out. But here's the truth. 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Built for real life and made to keep up with yours. 10 seconds. So how did the federal government deal with Al Capone? Well, they didn't send in the army to fight horrible, horrible crime and corruption in that city. They instead used their federal authority in areas where the feds had legitimate space. Tax evasion, bootlegging, enforcing federal revenue laws. They beat organized crime by staying inside of the Constitution. And there are ways inside the Constitution for the President to do things. Not soldiers in the streets, not a federal police force. The President's duty is to protect and preserve and defend the Constitution of the United States. Not to bend it because a city is in crisis. Because once you break the Constitution to solve one problem, you unleash a hundred other problems down the line. I don't know what the right answer is here. I'm not a constitutional scholar, I'm not an attorney. But I would urge the President to make sure he is on strong constitutional founding or footing so he does not open doors for others. The founders gave us federalism, that state power, local control, and that is a balance and a check to federal, federal authority. And let me tell you, we don't have checks and balances anymore. One of the last ones we have is a check on federal power by our state and local government. So yes, by all means, clean up the streets. Say you can send in ice, you can start arresting people who are breaking the law and who are not enforcing the law. I think, and I think you can do it constitutionally. You have to do it through state and local authority, through community, through the communities, through federal agents enforcing the federal laws but not occupying cities. If we let that happen, we might, we might stop the shootings in Chicago, but we have. We will have lost something even more precious. The limits on government that keep all of us free. I. Sometimes the Constitution sucks, doesn't it? Sometimes it really sucks because it stops you from doing the right thing. We all know how to stop crime in Chicago. We all know. We all know. And we all know that it's not gonna stop in Chicago. It's not because the system is so unbelievably corrupt. How do you deal with the people who are living in Chicago that their kids are being shot, their kids are being killed? What do you just say? Say, I can't do anything about it? Is that what you do? I want to get into next, I want to talk to you about gerrymandering, because gerrymandering is absolutely out of control. The. The left has been doing this forever. Now the right is jumping in and saying, hey, if you're going to do that. And in that particular case, I think they're right. That is the way the system is set up. It is. I don't like it. I have a better idea, I think, and I, you know, unfortunately, the left is now starting to present Congress with better ideas, and these better ideas are not better ideas. So we better have a better idea on the table. And that's all that President Trump, I think, is looking for. I think he's looking for better ideas. How do we stop this? We all know it's a problem. We all know you don't have to live that way. He is proving it in Washington, dc. All you have to do is arrest people, try them and put them in jail. That's all you have to do. That stops most crime. What. What's so hard to figure out? Well, that won't happen in Philadelphia. It certainly won't happen in New York. It won't happen in Chicago. It won't happen in la. Why? Because of politics, that's why. This is Glenn Beck. There is a thread that runs through history, unbroken for thousands of years. And it began with the promises that God made to Abraham. 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[Glenn Beck]

Glenn Beck Program so we are, I want to switch gears to gerrymandering because here is a, here is another example of what do we do? What do we do? And Stu, you ran a poll over the weekend on gerrymandering. Love this.

[Stu]

Yeah, I was thinking of where do we go from here? So if California does wind up passing, and there's still some steps for that to happen to, but to try to get five seats to respond to Texas's redistricting change, what should we do next? The three options were let it be. This is over. We each did tit for tat. Number two.

[Glenn Beck]

Nope.

[Stu]

Number two. We respond with one red state. They did a blue state. We're going to do a red state. Like we just keep going now. And then option number three was max out all of our red states. Let's just go for it right now. Cut the corn.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, you agree where I'm at, you.

[Stu]

Agree with the audience. The, the results were let it be. 4% respond in one red state, 2.2% max out all red states, 93.8%.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay. So here's why, here's why I'm there. Unlike the Chicago thing, which I think there are paths to fixing this and making Chicago safe, I just want to be very clear. We must follow the Constitution. There is, there is a situation I want to fix, and I'm not sure we know how to fix it yet because we would be violating constitutional norms and we cannot, we can't open that door. Gerrymandering is, I mean, that's been, that's been happening since like, you know, 1815, named after Eldridge Gary, who was a signer on, of the Declaration of Independence and I think the Constitution, and he started gerrymandering. You know, it's actually Eldridge Jerry, and he started making things. And it was, it was named that because the district that he made looked like a salamander. Okay? And so he was gerrymandering. Now, that has become norm and it has become so obscene that places like Chicago, where I think 40% of people vote in, in Illinois, 40% vote for the Republicans, but they only have 17% of, you know, of the, of the representation. How is that possible? How's that possible? In Maryland, the president was talking to the governor and saying, hey, look, Governor, you gotta clean stuff up, et cetera, et cetera. And the governor responded to him with that. And the gerrymandering thing with, I might have to gerrymander to make things more fair. Currently, there's only one Republican that is in Congress from Maryland. Now, I know there are Republicans that live, lots of them that live in Maryland. How is it you're talking about getting rid of the only Republican, that. This is out of control? It's completely out of control. The reason why the Democrats are upset is because the, the. The GOP has decided to do something about it. We're not going to put up with this anymore. Now, is this the right way to do it? I think so. At this point? I think so. Are there better ideas? I do think so. And I want to talk about that coming up in a minute. But I also want to. I want to make sure that I mention Lee Zeldin. He is our EPA administrator and he has done some remarkable work. I just did an interview with him on Friday that was a podcast over the weekend. And let me just give you a couple of things. Let me just give you cut 10 here. This is Lee Zeldin from the EPA. Listen to what this guy is doing.

[Lee Zeldin]

So when we came in, the agency was at 16,155. We've been going through reorganizations, reductions in force. We're going down to 12 and a half. So over the course of the first six months, we were able to reduce the size by 23%, which, aside from the over $29 billion of grants that we canceled, that's $750 million of annual savings to the taxpayer. And then we're also doing real estate consolidations. We closed an EPA museum that nobody went to that cost a lot of money. We're canceling media subscriptions that were overpriced. There's just a lot of Ways to save money.

[Glenn Beck]

But you're making enemies. I've heard that there are 400 of your own employees that have turned on you and wrote some scathing letter about how you're the Antichrist or whatever and how you're going to kill the environment. What is it like to be you, to walk into an agency where you're not the most popular?

[Lee Zeldin]

So here's the great news. I would say that a large majority of the employees, a very large majority of the employees I've interacted with and I engage with the career employees every day here at headquarters. I've been to 30 states, so I've engaged with EPA across all 10 of our regions. And they get it. You do a career inside of a federal agency, 20, 30, 40 years, and you'll have very different presidents from one administration to the next. Sometimes it's a president you voted for, sometimes it's not to the point that you just raised. We also have exceptions, and in this case, we had a letter that was drafted where agency employees, using their title, written as agency employees, were providing their own very public opinion of where the agency should go on policy, ignoring the will of the American public. There's a reason why President Trump is now in the Oval Office, that I'm here in this position after being confirmed by the Senate. You can't, as an employee in an agency doing a 20, 30, 40 year career, just always insist that whatever the policy and ideology is of the furthest left president you support over the course of your term, that whatever they want during those four, eight years, whatever they're pursuing is treated, etched in stone, like it's a commandment. The pendulum will swing because the American public voted for it. The American public doesn't want an electric vehicle mandate. They don't want the coal plants to be shut. They want more. They want energy dominance unleashed here in America. They want to be able to create jobs. They want us to be cognizant of their concerns.

[Glenn Beck]

I will tell you that I wish we had the clip of where I said to him, you know, are you going to be able to complete this in four years? Because we talked about energy, how they are unleashing, unleashing energy in, in power plants that are coal, that are gas, that are, that are also nuclear. The things that he talked to me about and how they are moving rapidly on that, and then also the things that they are doing to get rid of some of the really, really, really bad laws that were brought in by, by Barack Obama, how he is erasing all of those barriers and returning this to a thing that. Where it's not opposed to industry, it's for the environment. It wants to make sure we're all living by the rules. We have clean air, clean water. But it is also not against business. We have to have energy. We must have energy to be a country that will survive. He knows that. When I asked him, how. How much can you get done? I. Because I asked Donald Trump this question, I said, can we get this done in four years? He said, no, we need 12 years. We need 12. He said, hopefully, though, we will have a good replacement for me for another eight years and we'll be able to do it. But we have to really root this out all the way. 12 years. Lee Zeldin told me, I thought we were gonna need a lot more time. He said, glenn, I've got people on the inside, whistleblowers who are on the inside going, no, no, Lee, this, this, this and this. This is what they've been doing. He said, I believe we will have the EPA fixed by early next year. Fixed by early next year. I found that astounding because that is stu. Can you name an agency that is more out of control than epa? I mean, besides all of them. Epa. I mean, look at what the epa. The power the EPA has.

[Stu]

Yeah, massive, massive power. Now, it has been curbed recently with the Supreme Court, which does give you some hope that his optimism is justified. It feels more optimistic than I ever get about anything, so I hope you do.

[Glenn Beck]

He was, yeah, he was talking about how, you know, grants have been going through and they were all just for NGOs and, and, you know, they were used for, you know, nefarious things. He's talked about how he has. He has cut the regulation, cut the wait time on things. He said, we can actually build things now and we're still going to have clean air and clean water and we're going to have forests, et cetera, et cetera. He said, but I'm just cutting all of the garbage out of here. I was so optimistic when I heard that. I mean, I think this administration, I mean, I don't know how they seem to get this many good people, but he's got so many really good people who are really focused on the right things. I think they are cleaning up this deep state thing.

[Stu]

I feel, too. Glenn, tell me if this is something that you sensed at all is, you know, I think Seldon's doing a really good job. But I've been, you know, same way, encouraged by everything he's been doing.

[Glenn Beck]

I Love him. After listening to the podcast, you'll love him. Go ahead.

[Stu]

I feel like there's a situation where sometimes the stuff that gets highly promoted is not the stuff that winds up being the most successful or the thing you'll remember maybe 20 years later where, like, you know, like, maybe Doge is a good example of this. Right? Like, there's a lot of hype around Doge. They definitely got some stuff done. But is that going to be as impactful as what maybe is going on at the epa? I think maybe not. I think at the end of the day, we might find out that the EPA is a much more significant difference for the country in the long term than maybe all the stuff that was talked about with Doge. There's a bunch of examples like this. A lot of times the news focuses, how's you looking this way? And there's a bunch of people who are working really hard in agencies that don't make the headlines, that are really making the biggest difference.

[Glenn Beck]

So there were two things that happened with the Obama administration that we covered at the time, but we didn't really stand on, that had huge ramifications. And one I think we're just starting to figure out now, and that is the propaganda rules that he changed the rules of propaganda, that we could do propaganda on the American people. I know we talked about it. I don't know why we didn't make a bigger deal out of it, because now that seems like, oh, well, that's how they're getting away with a lot of things. That's where they. The office of. What is it, Internet engagement or whatever that was called, you know, where they were, they were telling people what you can and can't say online. All of that stems from that. And when it comes to the EPA, the Obama endangerment finding, where they found that CO2 is dangerous for life. What? No, no, it's not. It's part of it. It's part of it. The trees breathe it in, we breathe it out. They breathe out oxygen, we breathe out CO2. We both grow because of those things. And it's. It's remarkable to me that, you know, the endangerment finding. Do you remember standing on that as hard as we did on, like, Obamacare and things like that?

[Stu]

I mean, I know we did it as, you know, in as much as much time, for sure. I do remember being very, very angry about it, worried about it, but again, I do, too. It was one of those things that was just kind of set. I mean, Obamacare was a law, right? There was a chance to stop it. In fact, we did stop it. Really. I mean, we stopped it when Scott Brown got elected in Massachusetts and then they did it anyway. So, you know, it was a law. There was a much more buildup to that. This was just them doing it. I mean, once they got elected, we knew that they would take these types of steps. But you're right, we didn't. It wasn't seen at the time as big a deal when it was. That was a massive deal that mass cost our country hundreds of billions of dollars at the very least.

[Glenn Beck]

And now with Lee Zeldin taking it away and reversing that, it's just as a big of a deal. But you don't know it because. Yeah, I haven't heard at least a case of what the EPA is doing. I haven't heard a full case of this Lee Selden. I mean, he lined it all out. It's a great podcast. It came out on Saturday. You can find it wherever you get your podcasts. But it is the podcast with Lee Zeldin. All right, back in just a minute. Let me tell you about Patriot Mobile. Let's say you're buying a burger and you hand the kid your money, right? And he hands you your bag and then he turns and punches some guy in the face. And you'd be like, why did you do that? He says, comes with a burger. It's part of what you paid for. Wait, no, I didn't want you to punch somebody in the face. You're probably not going to go back to that burger joint again. Right? Right. I mean, who wants their money going to something that you never asked for? Well, that is exactly what big cell phone companies do. This is how they operate. You pay your bill and then behind the counter they find causes that you don't support and they do, and they hand them a bag of cash. I mean, you should be thinking, wait a minute, I just wanted a phone plan, not to finance somebody else's leftist agenda. Well, Patriot Mobile is different. They're America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. And you still get the same great service, great coverage and a fair price. And your money is helping support causes that you believe in. Switching is easier than ever. You can activate in minutes from the comfort of your own home. Keep your number, your phone, or you can upgrade. Time to make the switch today. Go to patriotmobile.com beck or call 972 Patriot. 972 Patriot. It's patriot mobile.com beck. Use the promo code beck and you'll get a free month of service. Patriot mobile nine seven, two, patriot. You know, truth makes the left so mad. And right about now, they're all losing their minds. We must be doing something right.

[Stu]

Stick around.

[Glenn Beck]

Beck will continue right after this.

[Stu]

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[Glenn Beck]

AI is just found. Some breaking news here. Listen to this about John Bolton. We seem to have breaking news.

[Lee Zeldin]

Apparently the FBI has found the USB.

[Glenn Beck]

Thumb drive they were looking for. Mr. Bolton was reportedly hiding it under his mustache. This is apparently the same technique he used to smuggle information in and out.

[Stu]

Of the State Department.

[Glenn Beck]

Apparently it was President Trump who alerted the FBI to make sure they checked under his mustache. He said, and I quote, make sure you look under that Son of a. His mustache. I never trusted that mustache.

[Stu]

I don't know that his mustache is trustworthy, to be honest. That's.

[Glenn Beck]

I don't think so. I don't think so. And I, I think it might even be one of those fake ones. A glue on mustache. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, who has a mustache like that? Honestly? You know, there's the. Yeah, I, I'm still looking into this John Bolton thing because there's so much to. There's so much to this and I don't think I've heard anybody really get to the bottom of it yet. We have time today. I want to explore that with you just a little bit because there's more to this story, I think. All right, next. Gerrymandering. Martha listens to her favorite band all the time. In the car, gym, even sleeping. So when they finally went on tour, Martha bundled her flight and hotel on expedition to see them live. She saved so much, she got her seat close enough to actually see and hear them sort of. You were made to scream from the front row.

[Stu]

We were made to quietly save you.

[Glenn Beck]

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[Stu]

The fire.

[Glenn Beck]

The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck program. Hello America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. I want to ask you, does our system, in our system of government, do people pick the politicians or do our maps pick the people? Who pick the politicians? I get to cut the people out of it. Do our maps pick the politicians? We're going to talk about gerrymandering. What is happening, what the choices are, are in front of us. Why it is really, really important on what to do and I think the best solution out there. But it's just me, of course, it's my idea. So I love all my ideas. Anyway, we'll get to that here in 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about Z Factor. Everybody talks about how busy their day is, the meetings, the errands, the endless to do list. But the truth is your day isn't won or lost in the afternoon. It's decided the night before. If you drag yourself to bed, toss and turn until 2am and you wake up feeling like you've been hit by a truck, your day is already shot. I mean, even before it starts. That's where Z Factor comes in from the makers of Relief Factor. Z Factor is formulated to help your body slip into the kind of rest that actually recharges you. Deep, consistent, restorative sleep that builds you back up instead of leaving you running on empty. It's not about knocking yourself out. It is about giving your mind and your body the support they need to rest. Like you mean it. Because when you wake up refreshed, your whole life looks different. The energy, the mood, the drive, the confidence to take on whatever comes. It all starts with a better night's sleep. And Z Factor makes that possible. Now, first fact, first time Z Factor buyers are going to enjoy 46% off. It's $19.95 for a 30 day supply. Visit relieffactor.com relieffactor.com or call 800 800, the number four relief. Okay, gerrymandering started by Stu, can you look this up for me? Is it Eldridge Jerry or Gary? I always thought it was Eldridge Gary.

[Stu]

Yeah, you're remembering that now that we've.

[Glenn Beck]

Been talking about it. Yeah, it is.

[Stu]

It is Eldridge Gary. Yeah, it was. There's a weird quirk basically in American history where his name was Eldridge Gary. It was first called gerrymandering essentially in a newspaper at the time. People read the newspaper, didn't know how to pronounce his name, started saying gerrymandering and that's what stuck. So it's actually different than the way his name was pronounced, even though it was named after him.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, well, that's why you spell your name G A R Y, not G E R, R Y. I mean, hello.

[Stu]

Lesson learned.

[Glenn Beck]

Yes. So gerrymandering is when a salamander shaped district gave America a new word and a new really bad habit. Okay. And we have perfected this really bad habit. It started about 18. Yeah, about 18. 18, 18, 15. Something someplace around there. And it wasn't known as gerrymandering until the mid-1800s when everybody was doing it. Now, here's how bad it has gotten today. In Massachusetts, one third of the voters choose a Republican, but not one of the nine House seats they can choose for president. But they one third vote for Republicans. But because they way they have the map set up, you don't get any House seats. So a third of the population has zero representation. And not because they didn't show up, but because the lines chose first. In Illinois, pretty much the same situation. 47% of voters cast a ballot for Republicans in 2024. 47%. Now why do we all think that Illinois is so far left in Congress? Why? Because 47% they didn't get their choice. 47% of the voters cast a ballot for Republicans in 2024, and they got 17% of the seats. Now that's, that's magical. There's some, there's some magical forces making that happen. Okay, now you see competition. Poof. Now you don't. Maryland, the courts called one map an extreme partisan gerrymander. Why? Well, because there's only one Republican serving in Maryland. Only one. Now how is that possible? Because, you know, there are people that live in Maryland. Only one of the, the House seats go to a Republican one. Come on. Now, here's the latest. The governor now says all options are on the table. This is the governor of Maryland. We just played this clip. Can you play it again, please? Are you actively looking at it now?

[Stu]

Yeah, because. And I think, and I think we have to. Yes, and I think, and I think we have to, because I think what's happened is this is what people hate about politics in the first place. The fact that the President of the United States, very similar to what he did in Georgia where he called up a series of voter registrants and said, I need you to find me more votes. We're watching the same thing now where he's calling up legislatures around the country and saying, I need you to find me more congressional districts.

[Glenn Beck]

He's doing it. That may be different, but Democrats redistrict. You know this. Yeah, but Gavin Newsom's doing it right now. A few years ago in New York, we saw this. This can backfire. Do you really want to go down this road?

[Stu]

I want to make sure that we have fair lines and fair seats where we don't have situations where politicians are choosing voters, but that voters actually have a chance to choose their elected officials. We need to be able to have fair maps. And we also need to make sure that if the President of the United States is. Is putting his finger on the scale to try to manipulate elections because he knows that his policies cannot win in a ballot box.

[Glenn Beck]

If you, if, if you don't know anything about Maryland, you would be like, well, that's reasonable. And most people don't know anything about Maryland. Well, that's reasonable. He just wants. He just wants fair maps and fair lines. Okay. If you really wanted the people to pick, you wouldn't. It's mathematically impossible in Illinois. It's mathematically impossible in Massachusetts and in Maryland to have the representation for the GOP that they have. It's mathematic. Massachusetts has zero Republicans in the House, zero. In the whole state, zero. Maryland only has one. And then he says, well, I might have to redistrict to get rid of the one one. One place where. Where a Republican one. And you want to redistrict that out of existence. That doesn't seem fair to me.

[Stu]

Right.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay. This isn't a blue problem. It's not a red problem. It is a power problem. And it has been happening almost since the founding of the country, and it's got to stop now. In 2019, the Supreme Court had a decision, said the courts are not going to interfere and they won't referee partisan gerrymandering. Well, that was the message that was sent to everybody, very clear. Do what you do what you want, draw what you can draw what you can get away with. And so they did. Now, in Texas, this all started because Texas, which, by the way, the, the census, these are all based on the census, or suppose they're supposed to be. But for the very first time, the 2020 census was rigged and that it was not fair. When you have Texas, think of this. Just think. I just want you to think about this logically. Texas in, what was it, 2020. Texas in 2020 had lost people or had not gained any citizens. What planet are you living in? Texas is growing by leaps and bounds. And as it was in 2015, 2010, you're telling me nothing? Nothing. No new growth. Wow, that's amazing. So Texas is trying to com correct this problem where they fix the census. Okay, now the left is shouting outrage. This is crazy. I can't believe they're doing. It's an arms race of hypocrisy. It really is. It really is. Which one could launch the biggest hypocritical missile? I'm not sure. I can just tell you this ends. It ends where legitimacy ends. When, when somebody will look up in one of these states and say that says. And with, with real facts on their side. That, that, that's not, that's not representative of me. The House of Representatives. That's not representative of my district, of my state. You can draw a district any way you want. You know, cut us all apart. So you, you, you, you can't have a Republican in. You've been doing that forever. Here's the thing. Safe seats. That's what everybody wants, a safe seat. Safe seats do not create better leaders. They create unaccountable leaders. We say it again. Safe seats do not create better leaders. They create unaccountable leaders. Why? Because a safe seat doesn't reward persuasion. You don't have to persuade anybody. They reward purity tests. This is why we have become so incredibly extreme. It's why everybody wonders why the center feels like it's collapsing. You know, every compromise, every compromise feels like a betrayal because you're not dealing with people, you're dealing with people who are extremes. Okay, so what do we do? Well, there's a couple of solutions. One, independent map making. Yeah, that's gonna work. Put the pens in the citizens hands. Oh good. Michigan, Arizona, California. They have shown independent or court drawn maps. Reduce extremes and increase competition. Okay, maybe California has an independent committee. This was passed by the people, voted for people were like, you know what? We want fair, we want fair districts. Okay, but at the first time of trouble, don't worry, they'll violate that. As you're seeing with California. You have the governor of California coming out and we're going to redraw all of them because they don't care about the voices of the people in those districts. They care about the Democrat voice in Congress. So the governor's going around it and it'll only be stopped if the people of California stand up. Are they going to. I don't know. Now if we don't solve this at the local and state level, believe me, there are going to be people in Congress that want to change the rules. And the left is already Working on it. It's called the Fair Representation Act, Stu. They already have an act. It's the Fair Representation Act.

[Stu]

I like fair representation.

[Glenn Beck]

Right. It's about representation and it's going to be fair.

[Stu]

See?

[Glenn Beck]

What could go wrong with this? They just reintroduced it this summer. It would use independent commissions, multi member districts, and ranked choice voting for the House. Oh, ranked choice voting. What could possibly go wrong with ranked choice voting? Why is that a problem, Stu?

[Stu]

Well, currently, the Democrats really love ranked choice voting because it's benefited them mostly. Um, and that's just a small part, of course, of that particular act. But basically, if you, unless the other team is smart enough to actually understand the rules of it, which so far the Republicans have not been, they will nominate people that will split their own vote, and you'll wind up with someone who is not the majority candidate. Wind up winning the seat.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah. Really bad idea. Really bad idea. So may I make a suggestion on how he fixed this? And I would like to base this on Moses. Moses already did this, okay? He divided people in hundreds and fifties and tens. Let me, let me call. Let me, Let me just. I want you to think of the United States under one big tent, okay? One big tent. Tent. Let's say we look at the United States as a big block, and we want to put everybody under a tent, but we can't put them under one big, big tent. So let's say we put them in tents of 100 or a thousand or 5,000, and we think of the map as, you have to have a tent over these people. All right, well, I know we have four corners and we put a stake in the ground. And those four corners we build a tent. And then we build a tent right next to that one that holds the same amount of people. And we put four stakes in the ground and we build another tent. In other words, each district has to have four straight lines. Just like a tent, just a box. Okay? It could be a rectangle. However you want to design it, that is fine. But it is just a box. And when that box becomes too full, you split it in half. And now it becomes two boxes. And you keep splitting them until there are more and more boxes. The more the population grows, the more boxes there are, okay? It's really easy. Do you know what that would do? It could mean that in some districts, a couple of apartment buildings not snaked all the way around the city and into the countryside, but a few apartment buildings. In New York City, right. In a four block area that might be a district, what does that do. That means the people who are representing the people in that apartment complex, though, that the four block, he has to know that four block area. That's his deal. He's not snaking around, going around everywhere else. He knows those people. He represent just those people. Not people five blocks away, just maybe four blocks away and four blocks in each direction. That way you don't have these people who don't have any idea. They don't look like you. I mean, far as the way you vote. They don't look vote like you do. They don't. They, they, they're. They're not some sort of foreigner from a different area of town. They know what your issues are. If we did that and we made everything in just squares, you would. You would localize much more in a much better way, but you would also stop all the extremes. Because unless everybody in that four block radius is an extremist, an extremist isn't going to win. An extremist Republican, extremist, Democrat extremists aren't going to win because most people aren't like that. That's why the gerrymandering thing happens, because you can have people on one side of the street in one district, people on the other side of the street in another district, and then it snakes up four blocks and then it turns, makes a hard left, then goes straight up for another street. 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We have the left going crazy on gerrymandering, like crazy. And I don't know if these states are going to stand up. You think people in Maryland are going to stand up and go, hey, now wait a minute, we're not California, Illinois, is anybody going to stand up? Is there going to be any organized resistance to this that could actually stop it in the states?

[Stu]

It's interesting. The voters can do it in California, which is different in most of these states, the voters can just stand up and say no. And the polling, yes, polling by Gavin Newsom's people has said it's going to pass. Independent polling has showed, at least at the beginning of this, that the California voters opposed it. They didn't want him to do this.

[Glenn Beck]

What's changed if that polling is right for Gavin Newsom? I'm not sure it is.

[Stu]

Yeah. I'm not sure what has changed. I don't trust him, obviously at all, or anyone who would associate with him especially. I mean, he's very likely to sleep with your wife. You should note that when you, whenever you get involved with Gavin Newsom as his best friend, probably still knows to this day. But I will say it is, I think if it, if he can successfully turn this into what Wes Moore was attempting to do there. We're just trying to respond to them and it's only the fair thing to do. If it gets to that, then it probably will pass because Democrats will believe that argument and it unleashes the all out war that probably is going to happen. Probably going to have every red state maxing out and every blue state maxing out and we'll see where we land. Republicans will probably do pretty well, but.

[Glenn Beck]

I think it's the right thing to do. If they're going to go nuclear war, you got to do it. I think at least somewhere in your house, there's probably. It's in a closet or a box in the attic, there's a time machine. I found one this weekend. We have been moving and going through boxes and stuff, and I found this. This time machine. Really, it's a. It was a box of VHS tapes, reels of films. We had photo after photo that I hadn't seen in years. Those are the moments that take you back instantly to all of the memories. I mean, Tanya and I, we brought it in the house, and we could have spent all day looking just at that box. You remember things about your parents, your grandparents, your childhood, things that you'd never thought you'd see again or remember, you know, because they're faded for you now. These will fade, they'll crack, they'll get lost, and they'll be gone forever if you wait too long. This is why I would like to suggest that you get legacy box. You just send legacy box, the box of all those tapes and films and pictures, and their team of experts handles everything with care. All done here in the United States. They digital digitize it, and they preserve your family's history forever. So go to legacybox.com right now, legacybox.com records legacybox.com records and save 50%. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. Stu, there's got to be a way to do, you know, a constitutional amendment where we get rid of gerrymandering. I, you know, I don't think the people in Washington will do it, and the party certainly won't do it. It has to be led by the people. But just cut everything in squares. Cut everything in squares.

[Stu]

Or even if they just did four straight lines of any shape. Four straight lines. Go for it. Four straight lines. You want to try to gerrymander that. You can. You can do slot. You could do little parallelograms that will have a funky shape, and you can slice through and cut a little bit.

[Glenn Beck]

You know, I. I don't think so. I. I don't think so. I think it should be squares. I think it should be based on the numbers. I don't know what the number needs to be in each tent, but you have a square, and in that square, let's just say, for, you know, purposes, it would not be this number, but let's just say there's 100 people, okay, in that square. And when that square hits 101, you cut it in half and now there's two squares. And when either one of those squares inside that square hit 101, you cut it in half again. So there's always less than 100 in each square. But you, you just keep making new districts in those squares.

[Stu]

Don't they have to be the same size? So you couldn't have a bunch of hundred seat, 100 seats? No, it has to be this bunch of 50s.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, you, you, it would grow into 50 or it would grow into 100. I mean, I, I, I, I don't know. Maybe when it hits 200, you cut it so it's a hundred, but again then you're having 150. I don't, I don't, I don't know. But I just know I want, I want the people closest around me to be in my voting district because we're talking about the same things, we're living under the same conditions, and most likely we know each other. And so we'll pick somebody who's from our group. I don't want somebody that, you know, is from, you know, miles and miles and miles and miles away because there's a snake that runs across the state. What do you have? What do you know about my neighborhood? What do you know about my area? And if you're forced to be in that box, however that box is our big, that box is, you might be miles away in that box, but you at least have a better idea because you haven't been selected by the, by one party or the other just to say the party things and to get the party in. You know what I mean?

[Stu]

Sure. And you know, I mean, I think those are the two directions. Right. Like in theory we could go to squares and straight lines and fairly drawn districts and people that live around you, which is quite clearly what the founders wanted. Right. That type of thing. Or you could go the other direction, which is basically all out war. And I think oddly, you necessarily come back and you say, okay, well, we don't want all out war. That's not the right way to go. In this case, it probably is. It's probably the only pragmatic way to go because if you stay with what we have now, which is Democrats heavily redistricting their states to their benefit, not to mention getting incredible benefits out of the most recent census that they should not have had, which is a whole other problem that we really do need to address. But you have those two things going on. Well, I mean, Republicans are actually pretty well positioned in an all out war to do some positive damage for the balance. I mean, I think that because they're.

[Glenn Beck]

Pretty much maxed out in those other states, they're maxed out.

[Stu]

Like, as you point out, could you figure out a way to get rid of the one in Maryland? Probably they'll find improvements, but every red state will find them as well. I think the New York Times had a story last week basically warning Democrats. Of course, they weren't looking at it from a news perspective. They were looking at it from a, hey, watch out, Democrats. If you go all out here, Republicans are likely to add about seven seats. So they don't want that. Of course, I would prefer it. And you go into an election here, and I think this is a little bit off the beaten path of this particular story. But it's an interesting study in the way Trump version one and Trump version two are acting. Trump version one, we talked about this at the 2020 election. There are lots of things, lots of signs, lots of rule changes, lots of important things that happened before the 2020 election occurred that the Trump administration did not act on. I mean, Pennsylvania is a good example of it. They basically changed the rules in a way that was not constitutional. And Trump didn't sue until after he lost. He wasn't out in front of those changes. He wasn't saying, hey, I see what you're doing, and we're gonna stop it. Trump 2.0, realizing that most sitting presidents lose the midterm elections in the House, usually they lose control is out in front of this in advance and saying, number one, you guys kind of screwed us in this last census. But number two, we can do something about this. Now. Where can we go? We can go to Texas. We can get five seats there. We can go to Indiana. We can get a couple seats there. Let's do our best to improve our chances going forward. Now, I know a lot of people don't like those tactics, but when you're talking about strategy and pure politics here, it's not an afterthought. It's not, after we lose, what do we do? It's, hey, let's prevent the loss in the first place.

[Glenn Beck]

And that is not changing the system. This is just using the system the way it has been for almost 200 years. You just use the system. We, you know, we've never, I mean, we've used it in some places, but not like the Democrats have used it.

[Stu]

No.

[Glenn Beck]

And so can we get better at it? Yeah, but you're already playing that game. You're already playing that game. Yeah. So you're not compromising morally. You're just playing the game that you're already playing better.

[Stu]

Yeah, I was thinking about it in that. In relation to the way our legal system works, right? Like, you watch a defense attorney go up and he's defending this murderer, and, you know he's a murderer. Everyone knows he's a murderer. He's on film murdering. There's a lot of. He's writing online about all the murders he wants to commit. There's a lot of murder going on in this guy's life, and everyone knows he's a murderer. And yet our system still says, give this guy an attorney and give him the best possible defense, even though probably the attorney himself knows this guy is a murdering murderer. And we can kind of go, you know, we can go to this. The system we have now is like, well, why don't we just let the defense attorneys be honest about what they know, right? And, like, let's have them kind of come out and admit that, yeah, their guy probably did murder, but, you know, let's be nice to him or whatever. That's kind of the way that, you know, the system kind of works now where everyone acts as if they're not being partisan when they're redistricting. You know, maybe the best system is everyone goes as hard as they can on either side, and we see what happens at the end, which is kind of what our legal system does.

[Glenn Beck]

It is. It is. I'm not sure that that would be the best thing for us to do because we're a little. A little shaky right now.

[Stu]

You know, it's not the best thing, Glenn, but I think it might be the second best thing. It's. It might be better than what we have. That, I think, is the issue.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, it might be.

[Stu]

Can it be an improvement? I don't love it. You know, it doesn't make me feel like I don't want to necessarily walk out and, you know, sing this Sauer Spangled Banner and expect fireworks to go off because of this process. It's an ugly political process, but at the end of the day, we can't sit here and just get rolled over. It's within the law. The Supreme Court has ruled on this. You can use politics to redistrict. It's within the rules of the game. And sometimes you just have to push those rules to the limit to get fairness, which is a weird thing to say, but I think it is true in this case.

[Glenn Beck]

All right, let me go to Carl in North Carolina. Hi, Carl. Hey, Glenn, as much as I like your proposal for redistricting and. Well, in fact, I'd like 9/10 of what you say most of the time. Here's one that thousands of people are getting pretty enthusiastic about, and that is that we need to. We need 27 more state legislatures to finish ratifying what was originally supposed to be our first amendment. And that's one representative for every 50,000 citizens. And George Washington, having been a president during that whole four months Constitutional Convention, he was reluctant to speak up about anything. But on the next to last day, he stood to speak passionately. He said he couldn't restrain himself anymore. And that was one rep for 50,000. And that's going to solve a lot of problems. We'd have a lot of representatives. Yes, over 1600. And they'll live in our small districts rather than up in the district of corruption. I like that. I like that instead of building something that breaks up the. That breaks up all of the, you know, the, the groups that are up trying to convince everybody with money and dinners and everything else that their way is the right way to vote, keep. Yeah. Special interest. They won't be as tempted to be bribed. There's just a. A half a dozen tremendous benefits that will result from that.

[Stu]

There's a pretty big movement in the nerd circle. I like that one on this one. And it seems like, Carl, you might be part of that circle, but it is, I think, an interesting thing.

[Glenn Beck]

All right, Carl. I think I am, too.

[Stu]

Yeah. It's like, we look at it, we're like, oh, there's 435. Now 1600 sounds like a lot, but does 1600 representatives sound like a lot for 330 million people? Doesn't really, to me. I mean, and as long as you.

[Glenn Beck]

Keep them at home, I really like. Like that. I really like that. Because everything can be done from home. It cuts down on so much. So much. You know, you're not in the halls of Congress. You're closer to the people that, you know, voted for you, and they can see when you're going wrong quickly. I really like that. That's my favorite part of it, because I think you could take, if you did, 50,000 people, you know, per district. You can cut them in, you know, four straight lines. And it's kind of the tent idea and your idea. But the, the best part of it is it keeps them all at home like that. Like that a lot. All right, back in just a second. Let me tell you about American financing. You know, most Americans think of debt exactly the same way that, you know, they, they think of it the same way. The garage needs to be cleaned out. You know, I'll deal with it, I'll deal, I'll deal with it, I'll deal with it. I deal. It's, you know, next weekend, next week, I want to. It just sits there getting dirtier and more cluttered in your mind. And you know, meanwhile the interest just keeps piling up. Credit cards, car loans, student loans, maybe even your mortgage. All of it just starts to feel like you're carrying a backpack full of bricks uphill all the time. American Financing says let's get in the garage right now, let's sort it out, let's clear the space. They are a family owned lender that specializes in helping you consolidate debt, lower your interest rates, create a plan that works. And they're not trying to stuff stuff more things into the garage or stuff you into a cookie cutter solution. Their salaried mortgage consultants work with you to build a strategy that fits your life, not just their bottom line. Imagine taking that backpack of bricks off, get it off your shoulders, drop it onto the ground, start breathing again. It's what financial freedom feels like and it's what American Financing helps you find. So call American financing now at 800-906-2440. That's 800-906-2440 or go to americanfinancing.net nmls182334nmlsconsumeraccess.org.

[Stu]

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[Glenn Beck]

And terms back we'll stu. Have you heard about Volkswagen? Now introducing a subscription in the UK to increase the power of your electric car.

[Stu]

It's, it's, it's an interesting road to go down.

[Glenn Beck]

I know, I know. I, I don't like it. I don't like it. Even though most people don't ever own their cars. I don't like the idea that I have to rent options from you. You know, it's, it's again, it goes back to, maybe it's just, maybe it's unreasonable, but it's goes back to my. And you will own nothing.

[Stu]

Yeah, and, and I guess you could maybe own the car, but you wouldn't own the performance. You'd have to keep paying for that and they could turn it off if you don't pay and your car is slower. It's a weird concept. Some people just don't like it too. It's like one of those airlines that has the lower ticket prices but you have to pay for everything. You have to pay for a carry on. You have to pay for every single little additional option. And people don't like that. But there's a charm, I think, to being able to say, well, I rather would pay less and I don't need it to go 0 to 60 any faster. Having that option for people who want it, I suppose isn't bad. It just would be nice. Like I know Tesla does a bunch of options like that that you could upgrade, but they're not like, as far as I understand, ongoing forever charges, like full self driving, something like, I don't know, $8,000. But you pay it. And once you pay it, you have it. You don't have to have it if you don't want the full self driving, but you have to upgrade. But I think there's an option to do a monthly fee as well. So I don't know, I mean, I do feel like the car is gonna be a subscription at some point. You're just gonna be paying.

[Glenn Beck]

Don't like that forever. Don't like it. We're an owner society. I don't like it and I don't know. And I, you know, I think it's a bad idea that Volkswagen is the one. You know, Volkswagen, you should learn from your own history. Subscriptions still aren't really good for you guys. Saying, you remember the, the subscription plan that Volkswagen had under. Well, when they first started and they were, you know, the people's wagon, the Volkswagen. Yeah. And it was the people's car and it was Hitler and he was like, you know, this is a people's car and you will have fun. And you could, for five Reichmarks, I think it was, you could buy a stamp and you'd get a stamp and you'd fill out this little book with all the little stamps. You could buy one a month and once you filled the book with stamps, you get a new car. Guess what? Guess what happened. Nobody got the cars. Nobody got the cars because he was not using it. He wasn't building cars. He was building tanks and airplanes and everything else. And by the time the people forget it, I was like, oh, and there is war. And so they went to war and they sued and sued and sued and sued because Volkswagen survived. Volkswagen went to, I think West Germany and you know, they were picking up the pieces and they didn't get the people didn't get their money back until like the 60s. I think they were like, could we get our car Volkswagen? They're like, I don't know what you're saying for these, the people's car. What do you say here? Yeah. So finally justice was done. But Volkswagen, you might want to kind of think of those subscription things and maybe realize they're not the best for you to bring up. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

[Stu]

People always bring up that World War II thing. You again with that World War II thing is, you know, I know. It's just, I know all these companies, they just went out there and just did a lot of stuff that was questionable at that time. And you just keep bringing it back up.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah. Like Ivy Farmer, which I think now is bare. You know, they just made the Zyklon B gas. That's all they did. What? What? You gotta hold that over our head forever?

[Stu]

Yeah, kinda.

[Glenn Beck]

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First, our sponsor is real estate agents I trust. This is my company. You know, it amazes me how people, they, they don't believe that I use any of the, you know, products. I guess it's because nobody ever does usually. But I use all of the products that I talk about. If I don't like the products, I'm not going to talk about the products. One of them is real estate agents, and it's my company. And somebody asked me the other day, did you. Did you bought a new house? Did you use real estate agents I trust? Yeah, of course I did. Of course I did. Lisa True is the one who helped us buy a house after years of working for it. She's everything that I've ever said. We have another guy who's trying to sell our house. Real estate agents I trust in Dallas. Love this guy. He's great. Now let's. Let's get the house sold, Brad, and love you even more. But he's doing absolutely everything he can. And I know, I watch him. We vetted him a long time ago. He's one of the best. One of the best. 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So we now own 10% of the company non voting shares. We got a discount and we have $2 billion now worth of paper gains. I love that. Right? It sounds really good. Why aren't we running this place more like a business? It's pro capitalist, right? No more government giveaways, taxpayers or investors. And we benefit when intel rebounds. Okay. Any other things? Well, yeah, we. It's really important for national security. We're keeping chip manufacturing at home. We stabilize the economy without running it. We reassure the markets and attract other private investors. On paper it's really good. It's clean, it's efficient, it's, it's savvy. Now what is it that's bothering me? Well, it's not exactly the American system. In fact, it might be everything we're not supposed to do. You know, we were never, the government was never supposed to use our taxpayer dollars to be a shareholder in private enterprise. But again, we're doing all kinds of things that we've already gone there, haven't we? Isn't, hasn't the, hasn't the government picked winners and losers now forever? Haven't they been wasting your money? I'd rather, I'd rather. Instead of a grant, I'd rather have it in stock. So if we win, we win. You know, we all win. But that's actually the model of state capitalism in China. It's not the free market in the United States. Intel is vital, absolutely vital. Chips are the lifeblood of anything that's gonna happen for national and our economy. But we cannot get into the habit of, of we can't normalize in any way. Washington, D.C. buying stock in struggling companies, you know, cause what's next? Ford, Boeing? How about your grocery stores? I mean that's Mamdani, isn't it? And once that door opens, government no longer just regulates the market. They own a piece of it now. What happens after we own a piece of that? So in 2008, I had a big sponsor. It was a sponsor that Premier Radio networks had worked 20 years to get. We finally landed them and I had a good working relationship with them. It was General Motors. And then the government bailed them out in 2008. And they promised it was temporary. And I said great, call me back once you've paid them off. I don't, I don't like this. The government should not be involved. And they said, well, they're not going to be involved. But they were. Because the first thing they did was they canceled the hydrogen car. Something they really believed in right before the election. I know because I was Talking to him about it all the time. And then after the election, Barack Obama cancels all hydrogen products. And GM is like, yeah, that stupid hydrogen thing. We're with them. And the precedent was set. And I was out. I was out. I canceled General Motors. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Business wise, stupid. Ethically, the right thing to do. And ever since, whenever there's a crisis, that temptation is there. Why not just buy a slice of the company? Why not stabilize it, make, make a little profit on it? And that's how you slip from capitalism to corporatism. You know, free markets backed by government winners and losers. You do not want to go down this road. You know, when, when we are both the investor and the regulator. Which one wins? Come on, not a hard question. Answer. Which one wins? Not the regulator. The investor wins. If the investor is also the regulator. Look, if we do this, we're going to make a lot of money. You're going to make a lot of money. You'll have more money for all these projects you want. Okay, all right. Okay. It's. It's not. It's the pat. The taxpayers aren't the one, the company, the politicians. Who really wins. What happens when an administration leans on its own company for political purposes? You know what? I think you're going to get rid of that hydrogen car. We love the hydrogen car. You know what? I think you're going to get rid of that hydrogen car. We hate that hydrogen car. Boy, we hate it. He, Donald Trump looks at intel losing $8.8 billion last year, lays off 20,000 workers, chokehold of Taiwan, South Korea on semiconductors. He wants America protected. He wants taxpayers to share in the upside. He doesn't want just to bear the cost. We should. We should get the upside. All of those things are good, right? It's really tempting, but is it what we are supposed to do? Is it, is it the right thing? I don't like it when Washington holds stock certificates. Not a good thing. It should be reforming taxes, cutting red tape, letting capital flow to strong ideas, making sure national security is secured through policy, but not ownership of these things. Are you comfortable if the United States just took over AI or just took it over and said we're just going to own 10%. Oh, they needed another bailout. We're going to stone 20%. I need another bailout. Okay, we're going to own 40% of that. Do you think that that company wouldn't become beholden to the United States government? And who are they beholden to? The Defense Department? The Deep State? The President? Or You, I ain't gonna know the answer to that one, Stu. How do you work around this one? Because I love this idea. I love the fact that we're running things like a business. And if we're gonna give people loans, why not take a stake? Why not?

[Stu]

Well, first of all, can we step up back. Step back one little bit and just acknowledge that the original sin here in the first place was the CHIPS act. Chip's act was not a good bill in the first place. And that's not the president, the current president's fault, but he has to live under that law and he's trying to improve it. But that was a disaster in the first place and should not have been something that we did, certainly the way that we did it. Buying into this. I mean, look, I understand it is better to have some of this money that. That, by the way, we're just borrowing and printing anyway. These are taxpayer dollars that we don't really have that we're spending on something that it's good that potentially we'd have a return. I mean, this was the argument under TARP as well, where we would go and we would do all this and we would take control of some of these banks and companies and they would eventually pay us back. And many of them did, by the way. Many of them did. Yes, they did.

[Glenn Beck]

With interest.

[Stu]

With interest, yeah, exactly. And so why not? Why don't we do that? That we have done it from time to time. Normally it's been in extreme circumstances. Right. When there's an emergency going on. And I will acknowledge. And I think you were on this as well, Glenn. These were not things that we supported at the time, but they were things that the government did at the time in what they saw as a time of financial crisis and reached in and took ownership of a bunch of these companies.

[Glenn Beck]

I would say we went further than not being for them.

[Stu]

I would agree with that analysis.

[Glenn Beck]

And the reason for that is very much against them.

[Stu]

Very much against them. The reason for that is we don't want the government involved in jumping into companies and micromanaging companies. Now, they'll say they have no voting rights. They'll say all sorts of things. But we now have a situation where the President of the United States has an interest in Intel's stock price.

[Glenn Beck]

And like, I don't know, it screams, it's bad idea. It's a bad idea. Once the government becomes your partner in business, they're always your partner. Always.

[Stu]

And I understand where the president's coming from, because at some level, it really is important to acknowledge he's been put in this position to try to make the best out of a bad thing. Now I know the President does really care about the chips and he does care about these industries being here in the United States. That is a. Something that actually is legitimately important. I'm not denying that, but.

[Glenn Beck]

Right, right. He also cares about America doing well financially. He's tired of America getting screwed, the taxpayers getting screwed every time.

[Stu]

But on that point, cuz I get what he's saying there. It would be great, like we're up a couple billion dollars. Let's say we double our profit. Let's say we make $10 billion off the deal. Nothing wrong with making $10 billion. Let's acknowledge what this is though. We have $37 trillion a day debt. Making $10 billion does absolutely nothing to this. Nothing. We're gonna waste that. Like we could just instead be. We could have someone actually look at the next spending bill we have and just cut a few things around the corner and easily save $10 billion. The only way that this makes any impact, and this is what makes me nervous, is if you do it at scale. If you start doing this in every single company you can think of that is having problems or is in an industry of interest to the United States, then you start getting to a place where the government is in bed with lots of businesses and maybe you could make a financial impact. And if we accept this argument now, I'm afraid we accept it then too.

[Glenn Beck]

But haven't we already accepted it when America embraced public private partnerships? I haven't accepted that. Right. I don't, I'm, I'm dead set against public. But isn't this a public private partnership that the left is already. I mean, this is what they were pushing.

[Stu]

Well, and this is the concern. Right. Who is cheering this on? Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders put that he actually had this idea as an amendment in the CHIPS Act. This was his proposal. He's cheering it on right now. That doesn't mean that everything a Democrat brings up is the wrong idea. Maybe this was a good one. I mean, he could make that argument.

[Glenn Beck]

Is he a Democrat or is he a socialist?

[Stu]

Socialist. He's a socialist.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah. So everything a socialist brings up is probably a good bet.

[Stu]

Yeah. Again, it's a road we should really, really be careful going down. I would argue we shouldn't go down it because it does lead to bad things. And it leads to bad things, by the way, when this President's long gone. Right. It's not just him I know we say this all the time. What are Democrats gonna do with this newfound ability to invest in companies? And by the way, we should note intel doesn't need to accept this. Right? The CHIPS act doesn't require them to sell part of the company. What's happening here is we're pressuring them into this. And you know, I understand the reasoning for that. You brought up a really, really good arguments on this front. We're already suckered into giving these super, these companies money because of the CHIPS Act. Why not make the situation better? And intel is saying, well, they can make our lives miserable in 25 different ways. Let's partner with them. I get it on both sides. It doesn't mean it should be a foundational part of our economy going forward. And you know, if this is a one time thing, it's probably not gonna be that big of a deal if this is a precedent that goes on. It can be, it will be.

[Glenn Beck]

Once you start this. Once you start this and you know, we have how long? My whole life I've said I wish we had a businessman as the president. I wish we had somebody that would look at the country and look at everything and go, how can we make money? How can we, you know, save money? Let's run this a tighter ship. Well, he's doing that, although we're spending more money. And he's here, here. He's like, well, let's just offset, let's, you know, let's get. Yeah. And he might pick the winner. I don't know if he will or not, but he might pick the. But tell me, the last president that we had that ever said anything about industry, they're like, oh, you know what? That was a really good stock tip.

[Stu]

No, I mean, he'd be the guy, he'd be the one that you would trust.

[Glenn Beck]

He would be the one, I think in my lifetime for sure, maybe the lifetime of the country. All right, let me tell you about Prageru. Prageru developing these five minute videos. Now, they're powerful courses and now even the content is made, you know, just for kids, but it's, it's for everybody. But there is kids only content now. And it's all built around the timeless principles, freedom, responsibility, truth. And they're giving the next generation something more than just the facts. They're giving them a foundation. And they don't just talk about America's values. They show them, they teach them, they preserve them. And because, because they know if we don't pass these principles on, what kind of America will we be leaving behind? They won't be prepared to create the America that will be better than this one. If you want to make an impact on the next generation, this month is the best time to support Prager U. Every single single dollar that you give this month will be matched. My foundation, Mercury one is already done in Tanya and I have donated. I've volunteered my time to help them with some of these videos. I'm to going actually doing something with Prageru where we are teaching history of the United States. And it, believe me, it is vetted six ways to Sunday. It is actual history. It's not slanted one way or another. It is actual history of the country and it'll be in all schools for AP history classes and they'll have access to it. Who made that happen? PragerU. PragerU.com Glenn Be a part of it. PragerU.com Glenn and donate today. 10 seconds. Stationary. But still, if we would have invested, we would. If we would have invested instead of just, you know, letting these companies take all of this technology, when we went to the moon, we would have had all that Tang money.

[Stu]

Really?

[Glenn Beck]

We'd still be living off of Tang money.

[Stu]

Yeah, that's a great. A great point. That and astronaut ice cream. Cash that would be flowing right now.

[Glenn Beck]

That astronaut ice cream. I don't know astronaut ice cream.

[Stu]

You don't know Astro? That's the freeze dried ice cream. They used to call it astronaut ice cream.

[Glenn Beck]

Like dippin dot. Like Dippin dots.

[Stu]

Dippin dots is. I remember it as more of a bar. Right. It was. It was like a bar or like a. Yeah, like an ice cream sandwich that's freeze dried. If you picture that. Astronaut ice cream.

[Glenn Beck]

That's right. So it's not cold.

[Stu]

Right? You've had this before. You've had that?

[Glenn Beck]

I don't think so.

[Stu]

It's actually. I mean, it's not ice cream. I mean, it is ice cream, but it's not as delicious and satisfying as the cold ice cream we're all accustomed to, though it has its charm. They've been doing that with Skittles lately. Have you had those? Have you had freeze dried skittles?

[Glenn Beck]

Now why would you freeze dry skittles?

[Stu]

They're incredible. They're incredible. Freeze dried Skittles are amazing.

[Glenn Beck]

How do they sell them or. Yeah. Is that like a. It's like a. Psst. Hey, you. I got the good skittles over here.

[Stu]

Let's put it this way. I got a guy. Okay. I got a guy. No, it's it is.

[Glenn Beck]

They keep him under the counter. You have to ask for them. You have to know they're there.

[Stu]

Oh, yeah, they don't, they don't display them. But no, you. At first I had heard it from like some specialty shops and now I think Skittles actually sells them. But they, they sort of in the freeze drying process, sort of kind of explode and they, they get larger and they, and I gotta try these things. I can't even tell you how addicting they are. You get started on them.

[Glenn Beck]

It's really weird because I found the same thing to happen that happens with me when I eat them. They kind of explode and I get larger.

[Stu]

Yes, Thesis, this is not a path to health I'm describing.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, it's not a path to health.

[Stu]

This is not Make America Healthy Again material at all. Regardless of how many artificial colors in there. It's not going to help your waistline, but they are freaking good. I don't know what it is about them. They're just delicious. And I can't recommend them highly enough. If we want to take 10% of Skittles, I'm for it. That's fine.

[Glenn Beck]

Ate my Skittles. I. This is starting to be uncomfortable. Really?

[Stu]

But now you want Skittles, don't you? You want to try the freeze dried Skittles. Look, there's so many.

[Glenn Beck]

I want to try them because I am a, like, you know, I'm not like you as a food scientist, but I'm on the road to being a food scientist.

[Stu]

Oh, you've, you've got. I've had many of your prepared meals before, and some of them feel like science, I will say, but I don't.

[Glenn Beck]

Know if that's a good thing or.

[Stu]

A bad thing, but usually really good. It's not like you're cutting on, on butter and cheese in the types of things that you make.

[Glenn Beck]

Who would do that?

[Stu]

No, no.

[Glenn Beck]

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[Stu]

How it's brought to you by Skittles Popped crispy and crunchy freeze dried candy only from Skittles.

[Glenn Beck]

Wait. Holy cow. Wow, Stu. That, that bloated debacle of light rail in California. They're still going. They're still going for it, man. Just not giving up.

[Stu]

Well, they're making lots of progress. Of course. They're not going to give up. Now.

[Glenn Beck]

This is going to put a bridge in, right?

[Stu]

Yeah, they finished. Well, they finished a bridge.

[Glenn Beck]

Now they finished a bridge.

[Stu]

What the bridge is going to do is another question, you know, but it's finished.

[Glenn Beck]

In case you don't know. In 2008, there was an estimate of $33 billion. They were going to complete a light rail system in California by 2020. And it was supposed to go from San Francisco to Los Angeles to Anaheim. Then it would go all the way to San Diego in the south and north all the way to Sacramento. Well, now it's changed a little since then. Since all the money was approved. It's gone from 33 billion to $128 billion quote or more. And they're a little behind on their target of 2020 for completion.

[Stu]

Are we sure they can't get it done by 2020 though? I mean, they, you got to give them the best. I'm pretty sure they might be.

[Glenn Beck]

No, I'm pretty sure. No, I, no, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. In fact, the early operating segment of this, now, this is what it was supposed to do. San Francisco, Millbrae, San Jose, Gilroy, Merced, Madera, Fresno, King Tulare. Wow. Bakersfield, Palmdale, Burbank, Los Angeles and Anaheim. That was the, that was the Rail, it was supposed to be done in 2020. They've got some of it that is going to be ready from Mercedes to Bakersfield. Now I know the people in Merced are thinking, I gotta get to Bakersfield. And I know the people in Bakersfield are like, if I could just get to Merced, you know, it would, it would just save me a whole bunch of trouble on the road because that's just. But that won't be available. I don't mean to get people in, in Merced or Madeira or Fresno or Kings to layer excited about that because it's not going to happen until 2031. Well, actually between 2031 and 2033, it might be a little later than that. Might be that part of it.

[Stu]

Which by the way, I'm just eyeballing the map here. Certainly less than half, considerably less than half of the distance that by the way, they were legally required. This was in the law. The law said it had to be built and it had to get people there from I think it was San Francisco to LA in like two hours.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Stu]

That's not going to happen, Glenn, I hate to say.

[Glenn Beck]

You really think so? Now wait a minute now hear me out, Hear me out. So by 202031 to 2033, you'll be able to go from Merced to Bakersfield, but by 2038 you're going to add Gilroy. No, to the north, which is the next city. People are like Merced to Gilroy. Are you kidding me? And you're gonna add Palmdale on the south. So you'll be able to go all the way from Palmdale to Gilroy on one train. Boom, you're there.

[Stu]

I'm looking at the Gilroy. Not that far, not that far from Merced and then, and then you. Palmdale.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, Palmdale from Bakersfield.

[Stu]

Wow, that's. That's not a lot either. That's not a lot of distance there.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah.

[Stu]

And you're not to Los Angeles yet. Of course, the only reason that anyone would ever want this is to go theoretically from, let's say San Francisco, LA or San Diego, Sacramento. Right.

[Glenn Beck]

Like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Do not discount Gilroy to Madeira. Don't, don't do it.

[Stu]

Don't do it.

[Glenn Beck]

If I could. What if I could hop on a high speed speed rail in Gilroy and not have to worry about Merced and boom, I'm in Madeira. I mean, that's a dream come true for many people in California.

[Stu]

Well, you would have to worry about Merced in that journey. Right. It would still stop at Mercedes.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, not for a very long time.

[Stu]

That's true.

[Glenn Beck]

You wouldn't have to. You wouldn't. And you wouldn't have to look out the window.

[Stu]

And you wouldn't.

[Glenn Beck]

No offense to Merced.

[Stu]

You would be able to skip a lot of that Gilroy traffic. That famous Gilroy and Merced traffic. Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Bad. It's really bad. Really bad.

[Stu]

My favorite quote of all time about this story comes from a 2022 New York Times story about it. And again, this has been such a catastrophe that even the New York Times has given up trying to defend it. Like, that's how bad this has been. Every year or two they write a new 4,000 word story about how horrible this is with all new details. They should just take all of them and put it in a book. I would buy it. They're that crazy. But this is my favorite quote. Sncf, the French national railroad, was among bullet train operators from Europe.

[Glenn Beck]

I know this quote. I love this. I love this. This is probably my favorite thing on this trade too. Go ahead. I'm sorry to interrupt.

[Stu]

No problem. Sncf, the French national railroad, was among bullet train operators from Europe and Japan that came to California in the early 2000s with hopes of getting a contract to help develop the system. The company pulled out in 2011. That's three years after it passed. SNCF was very angry. They told the state they were leaving for North Africa, which was less politically dysfunctional.

[Glenn Beck]

By the way. Again, that's the French.

[Stu]

French.

[Glenn Beck]

The French are saying that about California. They got to get to some place more politically functioning and it's in North Africa.

[Stu]

In this case. They went to Morocco and helped them build a rail system. Morocco's bullet train started service in 2018.

[Glenn Beck]

And they left California in 2011.

[Stu]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[Stu]

So in a much shorter window, they were able to get a bullet train in Morocco built, which is just incredible. And you know, they made all sorts of mistakes with this thing. They're way over budget. They didn't go on the land that they owned, which was on the main highways. They could have just worked with that land. Instead, they tried to reroute it through all these cities. Had to buy land from farmers. They were dividing. The train line was dividing people's farms. So one side of their farm would be on one side of the train line, one would be the other. They would have places that there were no roads. You'd have to drive down miles away to go through a bridge to come back down the other side just to leave your own place, you know, your home or your farm. They just made mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake. And we now know that they're not even gonna come close to getting this done in the timeline or with the restrictions as far as the speed that it was supposed to take or anywhere close, of course, to the budget, which was laughable from the beginning, but has become so much worse than even skeptics were complaining about. They were saying maybe it'll double, maybe it'll triple. We're already at about five times the cost and they're not even going to be doing half of the railroad.

[Glenn Beck]

Could you do me a favor? Look up how long did it take for San Francisco to build and open the Golden Gate Bridge? I mean, that's a wonder of the world, the Golden Gate Bridge. At the time, it was a wonder of the world. And it's a massive project. Okay, how long did it take him to build that?

[Stu]

Let's see. It started in January 1933. Open to traffic May 1937. Four years schedule and under budget.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay.

[Stu]

A little different these days.

[Glenn Beck]

How long did it take to build the Empire State Building, the largest, tallest building in the world at the time? By far, far. How long did it take them?

[Stu]

This doesn't even. Every time I read this, it's 11 months. It can't be possible. What I see is construction starting March 1930, opened May 1, 1931. So a little over that. Just over a year.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah. I mean, they were putting furniture into the base floors before they were finishing the top of the building. I mean, they. That thing was. It was amazing how they did that. Okay, now, Golden Gate Bridge, four years under time, under budget. California, with all of the technology that you now possess. You started this project in 2008. You were in the aughts when you started this. Okay, we started this railroad in odd eight. Okay. I just asked Chachi pt What is the estimate of a finished product? You ready? 2040 to 2046.

[Stu]

Optimistic.

[Glenn Beck]

I don't know. I don't. You have very optimistic. I don't know if they realize that's 25 years late, but just the quarter of a century. Yeah, just a quarter of a century late on this project. And Gavin Newsom and everybody else, they're still defending this thing. That's what the stories were today. The stories were all about, you know, that, that rail. We shouldn't give up on that yet. We shouldn't give up. I want to. Who's making money on this? Who? What? Because this is not in the, this is not in the interest of the people of California anymore. It's not.

[Stu]

They voted for it.

[Glenn Beck]

What is the.

[Stu]

There's your direct democracy in action. It's another whole sideshow. It's not just government inefficiencies, but this idea that you should be able to vote in hundred billion dollar projects by a 50.1% vote of people who never paid attention to the issue the entire time is a bad formula. Does not work. It traps cities and states and future governments. I mean, even if Gavin Newsom hated this, what would he do? It's already law. What are you gonna repeal? Half the railroad? I mean, at this point, first of all, that's what I would do. But secondly, at this point, you can make the argument, okay, there's so much invested in this, we should at least get something out of it. These poor people from Merced should be able to make it to Gilroy. And going to get that. We're not even going to get that. It's unbelievable.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay, okay. I got a couple of stories that I think are astounding that came out of the news today. We'll give those to you here in just a second. First, let me tell you about Relief Factor, our sponsor, this half hour. Relief factor. You know, life has two speeds. There's speed where you're doing things, mowing the lawn, fixing something around the house, playing ball with the grandkids. And then there's the speed where you're sitting on the couch staring at the ceiling thinking why does everything hurt all of a sudden? All the things that you want to do, be doing, need to get done. They're still out there and you're stuck in low gear. Relief Factor is a daily supplement that is, that is designed to help your body fight inflammation naturally. And for many people, that means less pain and more freedom to get back into faster speed. Back to movement, back to energy, back to life. It's not about masking the pain or tricking your body. It's about giving your body what it needs to help heal. Imagine your life without the orange cones and the closed ahead signs just back in motion, moving forward. That is exactly what Relief Factor offers. And you can get their three week quick starter try for only 1995. So visit relieffactor.com now. Call 800 for relief. That's 800, the number four relief. Reliefactor.com this is Glenn Back. I don't know if you saw this there. There's a couple of stories in today's show Prep that I thought was really, I Thought was, was telling. First one was from cnn. Did you see the one from CNN today that talked about Ghislaine Maxwell and how she was, how she was part of the Clinton foundation, you know, how she was invited to these big things that only the elites were invited to. They knew. In fact, one of the cnn, Sorry, one of the Clinton people said, you can't have her here. She's, you know, she's, she's grooming people. That's what the charges are, that she's grooming people for Jeffrey Epstein to rape. And Hillary Clinton. And Bill Clinton just okayed her to come, in fact, invited her to come. Why is that story important that CNN having the balls to turn against the Clintons? That CNN opening the door to the Clinton foundation may have been dirty? Bill and Hillary Clinton may have been dirty. They may have been involved with the Epstein stuff. Whether he did anything with, you know, young girls or not, I don't know. But I found that fascinating. There was another story Today from the WaPo, the Washington Post, about Reagan. And I immediately see why he's dead. Why are you, why are you dancing on his grave instead? It wasn't a dancing on his grave story. You need to get it. You can get all these stories@glenn beck.com and get our free daily newsletter. These stories are in today's newsletter, as is everything else that we talked about on the show today. But in the Washington Post, it was this fascinating story coming now from more released documents, this time during the Reagan administration. They have just been released, and it shows that Ronald Reagan wanted to take all of our nuclear missiles, you know, the ones in silos and everything else, anything that was a missile and destroy it and throw the missiles in the bottom of the sea. I mean, take the, you know, nukes out, but throw them out, missiles at the bottom of the sea. Make sure that we didn't have any missiles. No, no guided missile system systems in America. And he said that to Gorbachev, and Gorbachev said no. And he said, but we can end all of this madness because they can't be recalled. Our airplanes can be recalled. Those cannot be recalled. Let's end it. Then when Gorbachev said no, he went back to the National Security Council and he said, I want to do this. I want to plan to do this in case they change their mind. I want to do this. Then the CIA got involved, the NSA got involved, State Department, and all of them started telling Ronald Reagan, no, you can't do that. And he said, I want it done. And then they went around him and thwarted him as long as they could until finally the CIA had convinced everybody no, we, we can't do that. And they just said Mr. President, you can't do it. So he stopped it and then they buried all of that information. Remember Ronald Reagan was made to look like a war longer he look he was made to look like he just wanted nuclear war. Right. Here's the Washington Post releasing something that is not just verifying that they were wrong about Ronald Reagan and his warmongering at the time but they're verifying a deep state, something that they said did not exist. I think the movement from Washington Post and the ncnn, those two stories are remarkable in seeing that they both are doing things they would have never ever done before. Is that a change or a one off? I don't know but it's worth noting. All right. We'll see you tomorrow. This is Glenn. Becky.