Ep 254 | How God Helped ‘Everybody Loves Raymond’ Star Raise Her Kids | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Summary

Podcast Summary: Ep 254 | How God Helped ‘Everybody Loves Raymond’ Star Raise Her Kids | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Introduction

In Episode 254 of The Glenn Beck Program, hosted by the Blaze Podcast Network, Glenn Beck engages in a heartfelt and insightful conversation with actress Patricia Heaton and her husband, filmmaker David Hunt. The episode delves into their enduring marriage, the challenges of raising a family in Hollywood, their faith, and broader societal issues affecting modern families.

1. Personal Journeys: Marriage and Family in Hollywood

Patricia Heaton and David Hunt share their remarkable 35-year marriage story, highlighting the unique dynamics of maintaining a stable relationship in the entertainment industry.

• Meeting Story:
  Glenn Beck (03:00): "We discovered once we started dating that we had been working in restaurants on Columbus Avenue... two blocks from each other for about two years. And who we'd never met."

• Commitment to Marriage:
  Patricia Heaton (05:00): "I think you both have to have that commitment that you took your vows. Your vows mean something."

• Handling Conflict:
  Glenn Beck (06:24): "If you have any kind of real relationship, there's going to be conflict. It's inevitable. It's part of human nature."

2. Embracing Parenthood and Sacrificing Careers

David Hunt discusses his decision to step back from his thriving acting career to prioritize being a present father, emphasizing the eternal value of family over professional achievements.

• Prioritizing Family:
  Glenn Beck (08:03): "My relationship with my sons and my wife is eternal, and that's worth more than anything."

3. The Movie "Unexpected" and Adoption

The trio discusses their film "Unexpected," based on their personal experiences with adoption, aiming to shed light on the emotional struggles and joys of building a family.

• Movie Inspiration:
  Glenn Beck (15:32): "The movie is based on a book that we optioned way back in 2004... making the couple childless and their journey towards adoption."

• Audience Impact:
  Patricia Heaton (21:16): "It's a quirky comedy that takes an unexpected twist... it actually comes off as fairly light and goofy to begin with."

4. Societal Pressures on Parenthood and Fertility

Patricia and David explore the increasing societal pressures to delay parenthood, the declining fertility rates, and the environmental factors contributing to this trend.

• Declining Fertility Rates:
  Glenn Beck (22:31): "In Western culture, the birth rate has declined precipitously."

• Environmental Factors:
  Patricia Heaton (23:05): "There's a lot of chemicals in our food... affecting people's health and fertility."

5. Feminism, Motherhood, and Women's Roles

The conversation touches on the feminist movement's impact on perceptions of motherhood, arguing that children bring humility and liberation rather than being a "prison" for women.

• Feminism's Impact:
  Glenn Beck (29:03): "There are some aspects of the feminist movement that have been tremendously damaging to women... motherhood is incredibly liberating."

6. Ethical Considerations: IVF and Bioethics

Patricia Heaton shares her Catholic perspective on IVF, discussing the ethical dilemmas and potential consequences of assisted reproductive technologies.

• Stance on IVF:
  Patricia Heaton (32:51): "I personally would probably not do IVF... concerns about surrogacy and designer children."

• Ethical Risks:
  Glenn Beck (34:48): "Danger of ending up with a 'Brave New World' of designer children."

7. Concerns Over Artificial Intelligence and Cultural Decline

David Hunt raises alarms about the rapid advancements in AI, comparing potential future scenarios to Orwellian nightmares and warning against underestimating its societal impact.

• AI Fears:
  David Hunt (43:23): "We've been studying AI since the '90s, and it's a tremendous horror show what's coming."

• Cultural Decline:
  Glenn Beck (60:21): "There's an entire generation who have been eviscerated from syllabuses across the land."

8. Addressing Antisemitism and Supporting Jewish Communities

Patricia Heaton and David Hunt highlight the rising antisemitism and the importance of Christian support for Jewish communities, emphasizing unity in the face of hate.

• Rising Antisemitism:
  Glenn Beck (63:27): "This is a battle for Western civilization."

• Call for Unity:
  Patricia Heaton (63:17): "Activating Christians to be visibly and vocally supportive of the Jewish people of Israel's right to exist and to fight antisemitism."

9. Moving Hollywood to Nashville: Creating Faith-Based Content

The discussion shifts to the strategic movement of Hollywood productions to Nashville, aiming to foster a film and theater industry aligned with Christian values and familial storytelling.

• Relocating to Nashville:
  Patricia Heaton (49:25): "We're trying to move it to Nashville... ensuring content aligns with certain values."

• Faith-Based Storytelling:
  Glenn Beck (54:31): "These are great stories that don't shy away from the reality of the human condition... themes like hope, redemption, forgiveness."

10. Conclusion and Final Remarks

The episode wraps up with heartfelt thanks from Patricia Heaton and David Hunt, encouraging listeners to support their work and spread their message of faith, family, and societal reform.

• Final Thanks:
  David Hunt (68:26): "Thank you for everything you do. Thank you sincerely."

• Encouraging Support:
  Patricia Heaton (69:15): "Thanks for having us. This is so much fun to talk to you."

Notable Quotes

• Patricia Heaton (05:00): "Your vows mean something, and you figure it out."
• Glenn Beck (29:03): "Having children... absolutely destroys your narcissism."
• David Hunt (19:58): "My daughter taught me more than any other human alive."
• Patricia Heaton (63:24): "This is a battle for Western civilization."
• Glenn Beck (60:21): "There's no option but to counter postmodernist nonsense in education."

Conclusion

Episode 254 of The Glenn Beck Program offers a profound exploration of enduring marriage, the challenges and triumphs of parenthood, ethical dilemmas in modern society, and the urgent need to support and preserve Western civilization and familial values. Through personal anecdotes and passionate discussions, Glenn Beck, Patricia Heaton, and David Hunt invite listeners to reflect on their own lives and the broader cultural shifts shaping today's world.

Transcript

[Glenn Beck]

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[Patricia Heaton]

And now, Ablaze Media podcast.

[David Hunt]

Hello America. You know, we've been fighting every single day. We push back against the lies, the censorship, the nonsense of the mainstream media that they're trying to feed you. We work tirelessly to bring you the unfiltered truth because you deserve it. But to keep this fight going, we need you right now. Would you take a moment and rate and review the Glenn Beck podcast? Give us five stars and leave a comment. Because every single review helps us break through Big Tech's algorithm to, to reach more Americans who need to hear the truth. This isn't a podcast. This is a movement. And you're part of it. A big part of it. So if you believe in what we're doing, you want more people to wake up, help us push this podcast to the top rate, review, share. Together, we'll make a difference. And thanks for standing with us. Now, let's get to work. Hollywood is an industry known for its family values, stable marriages, and overall morality. Oh, wait, no. The opposite of that. But there is at least one couple in the film business that breaks the mold. He's an accomplished actor and filmmaker, and you certainly know her from her iconic roles on shows like the Middle and Everybody Loves Raymond to discuss how to build a family, protect life, manage to stay married while working in Hollywood. Welcome David Hunt and Patricia Heaton. Patricia, David, how are you?

[Patricia Heaton]

Hi, Glenn, how are you?

[David Hunt]

I am great. It is good to finally talk to you. We've been trying to. Trying to cross paths with you for a very long time. You are so busy and you rarely, rarely speak. And I appreciate the time.

[Patricia Heaton]

Oh, yes, sure.

[Glenn Beck]

I don't speak, but she does.

[Patricia Heaton]

Dave would beg to differ.

[David Hunt]

I'd like to get a word in matchwise. So let me start with the two of you first. You are a miracle in Hollywood or in celebrity. You've been married for 30 years, I think, right? Is that right? We're now 35th, 35th year. And you're. And you met on stage, you're both actors. And that usually I'VE always heard that usually never works out because somebody's always besting the other one. And when somebody's career's up, somebody else's career is down. I don't know if that's true or not, but did you?

[Patricia Heaton]

No, It's a weirder story. It's a weirder story. I saw sublet his apartment in New York to be closer to the guy I was dating. Ah.

[Glenn Beck]

It's a longer story, Glenn. Actually thinking about writing a movie about it. Joking aside, it's actually an extraordinary story. The way we actually met, because it was a real sliding doors kind of situation. We discovered once we started dating that we had been working in restaurants on Columbus Avenue in the west side of Manhattan, two blocks from each other for about two years. And who we'd never met. Hers was the only restaurant I hadn't been in in that entire strip.

[David Hunt]

Wow.

[Glenn Beck]

And it wasn't until she made a random phone call, which I can tell you that story another time if you want, but asking me if I wanted to sublet my apartment that we actually met.

[David Hunt]

And then how long before you dumped the other boyfriend, Patricia?

[Patricia Heaton]

Well. And you dumped yours.

[Glenn Beck]

So it was kind of simultaneous dumping. Yeah, I hate to use that phrase. That's really unkind. We broke up.

[Patricia Heaton]

What did Falto say?

[Glenn Beck]

We consciously uncoupled.

[David Hunt]

So what is the secret for not for having a marriage this long because a lot of people think it can't be done. My wife and I have been married for 25 years. I mean, it can easily be done, but what is it with you guys?

[Glenn Beck]

I thought this morning that it couldn't be done. And if it wasn't for good.

[Patricia Heaton]

We're here by the skin of our teeth.

[David Hunt]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Miracle. We made this call.

[Patricia Heaton]

Well, you know, George Harrison's wife said in an interview, she said. Said they asked her, how did you stay together for so long with everything that went on in your lives? And she said, we just didn't get divorced. And that's kind of the bottom line. I think you both have to have that commitment that you took your vows. Your vows mean something, and you figure it out. And I think outside of obvious things like any kind of physical abuse or mental or emotional abuse or, you know, some. Something like that things can be worked out and you should try to do everything you can, especially, I think, if you have kids. And so in a sense of humor.

[Glenn Beck]

A sense of humor I think is critical for us. It was just saved us on many an occasion. But, you know, I have to be honest that it's and Patti would agree here that, you know, there have been times when we've had our struggles like anyone else. How can you possibly be with another person for so long? And if you have any kind of real relationship, there's going to be conflict. It's inevitable. It's part of human nature. So the idea that it's going to be perfect is absurd. And I think that's what trips a lot of people up.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah. After the first blush wears off, things get real.

[Glenn Beck]

In our first year of marriage, we were both bringing a lot of emotional baggage into the situation. And, you know, there were a couple of moments where some pots and pans were hurled in my direction. Thank God I was an athlete because I managed to bob and weave and it just made a dent in the kitchen cabinet, but not my head. No, seriously.

[Patricia Heaton]

Well, we're kind of the Bickersons.

[Glenn Beck]

We are a little bit of Bickersons, but people seem to get a kick out of it. Somebody suggested recently that two of us need to do a podcast, and Patty rolled her eyes and I thought, well, there you go, we're off. That's how it all starts. But there have certainly been ups and downs and career wise. Just to your point, Glenn, about careers in the most simplest of terms, Patti was nowhere when I met her, and I had a career that was booming. I made a lot of bad decisions with my career choices, but once we started having kids, that was a total game changer. And I, in fact, quit a couple of big jobs in order to be home because I didn't want to be a Hollywood divorce statistic. And I also wanted to be a father to my sons. I didn't want to be an absent dad. And that resulted in, gosh, a 10 year hiatus, longer than that. Anyway, it was a long time off from my acting career, basically threw away. But during that time, we started a production company. And that's a whole other story.

[David Hunt]

But.

[Glenn Beck]

But, you know, in the long term, no one is going to care about what movies or Broadway shows I turned down on my deathbed. No one's going to be even thinking about that. But my relationship with my sons and my wife is eternal, and that's worth more than anything.

[David Hunt]

So, Patricia, let me ask you, because Tanya and I, we have the same kind of relationship. I'm surprised neither of you mentioned faith, because I know God plays such a big role with you, but, you know, we've had our moments as well and. Exactly. You know, I asked my wife. My wife, I was so stupid, asked her for a prenup and she said, now I'm really not gonna, I'm not interested in marrying you. And I said, why? She said, I'm not negotiating an ending for something that has no ending. You're either in it for life or you're not. She was right. And she was right. You have to have that. You have to just realize that there's no going anywhere. This is it. So figure it out and not give up on it. So David, you took care of the kids and Patricia, then I assume you went to, you went to work. Do you have. Because I, I went to work and there are times when work is, I mean, relentless. Do you have any regrets at all about that time period?

[Patricia Heaton]

I'll tell you what, God was really gracious in that, the job. So everybody, that Everybody Loves Raymond started when we had a three year old, one year old and I was pregnant with our third. It's a multi cam show. So you rehearse for four days from like 9:30 to 5, 5:00. And you can bring the kids to work with you during those times because you're not in front of an audience and they can, you know, the nanny can bring them whatever. And so and you, you work three weeks on and one week off. So you're one week off every month and you have three weeks off for Christmas, two weeks off for Thanksgiving and then you finished in like April. So you've got like three months in the summer. So it really wasn't like I was away. They were either with me at work or we were all at home together. And Dave, we didn't completely stop working. He had jobs here and there, we had a nanny. So it really worked out that I could be taking the kids to school in the morning, go to work, they come home at three, I get home at five, you know, kind of thing. And so. And there were lots of kids on the set, writers, kids, actors, kids, you know, it was a very family friendly show and welcoming to everybody with, with family. So.

[Glenn Beck]

And I found that I loved taking the kids to school in the morning and bringing them home. It was weird. I never saw that about myself ever. But I found that I just loved it.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

You know, because I love just being with them, talking about songs on the radio or whatever, sat down the news that day. Wonderful.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah. And even when the middle came along, that's a multi camera show, so it's much longer hours, 12 and 14 hours a day. But they were already in middle school and high school, so they were kind of at school until 5 or 6 o'clock with their activities and things. So God really worked it out. And you know, as far as our relationship goes and our faith, I mean, it's just kind of baked in. You're right, we didn't mention faith, but because we were talking about the practical nuts and bolts. But we feel God has had a hand in everything that's happened in our lives.

[Glenn Beck]

Obviously, in spite of myself, he's been there. Yeah, we met with a wonderful pastor at Hollywood Presbyterian Church, which is where we got married, called Ralph Osborne, God rest his soul. And the wonderful thing about Ralph was he was able to provide us with the wisdom and the benefit of his long experience. He'd been married at that point, gosh, 50 something years. And he said, who do you want to be sitting next to in this, in the twilight of your life? Do you want to be able to look back with a shared history and laugh and bond about something and have grandkids and have grandkids or do you want to be alone? And that was, you know, that's obviously a frightening perspective.

[Patricia Heaton]

So that really, that really stuck with us.

[Glenn Beck]

But also one of the biggest influences in our lives, I think is fair to say would be Tim Keller, who was the wonderful, a wonderful pastor who ran Redeemer Presbyterian in New York for many years until his passing just a year or so ago. We took his marriage series of tapes very seriously and he sort of mentored us and he was always there for us. You know, you'd have a little moment where you think, well, we haven't been to church in months and we're exhausted. And he said, don't worry, these are all phases in your life anyway, things like that. So as I said, in spite of myself, God was gracious enough to keep me on a relatively even keel.

[David Hunt]

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[Patricia Heaton]

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[David Hunt]

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[Patricia Heaton]

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[David Hunt]

I want to get to the movie that came out and it's called Unexpected. It's been out, but I found out from you that it is. What is it? National. National Infertility Awareness Month. I didn't know that.

[Patricia Heaton]

You're welcome.

[David Hunt]

Thank you. Thank you for that. So why are you coming out? Why is that important to you?

[Glenn Beck]

Well, we have a heart for kids for sure. We have a lot of. Well, let me just kind of backtrack just for a second.

[David Hunt]

Sure.

[Glenn Beck]

Because the, the movie is based on a book that we optioned way back in 2004. And the book was essentially about a couple that adopts animals. And it's kind of an amusing series of anecdotes. And we wrote scripts based on that and it never really worked. I turned to the writer after we did a play reading at our house in la after this particular reading had sort of died to death. And I said it needs a different engine. How about we make the couple childless that they can't have kids and they go on a journey for adoption and.

[Patricia Heaton]

That'S why they're giving them examples.

[Glenn Beck]

Animals are a substitute for the children. He said, oh, what a great idea. He called me a week later and said, okay, I've got the first draft. I said, what, in a week? He said, yeah, it just poured out of me. And I said, how come? He said, well, I never told you this, but both my daughters are adopted. And we realized at that moment that we'd hit a nerve. And then when the movie came out, we realized there was, there's so many people that this issue affects.

[David Hunt]

Oh yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

And we've known some. Some. Some close friends who've been through this issue. And it's been incredibly painful. But weirdly, it seems to be a subject that is not talked about very much.

[Patricia Heaton]

It is so, because it's hard, I think, for people. And when you don't want to ask your friends, like, are you guys going to have kids? Because you don't know what's going on. And often if they're struggling, then you don't know what to say. And often I think men are left out of the conversation. And one thing this movie did, one of our crew members said to us was, I'm so glad to see you showing the man experiencing the emotions he's feeling about not being able to have kids and the struggle he has, because you don't see it as much as you do with women. And of course, obviously, it's very powerful thing for women to experience, but men go through it, too.

[Glenn Beck]

And here's another example, Glenn. We've screened it all over the place. But we did one particular screening that really hit home where we had gone out to dinner with the guy who was sort of sponsoring the whole evening. And we do a Q and A after. Afterwards, we walked in about 10 minutes before the end of the screening. There's a woman in the back row playing on her phone. And both of us went, oh, they hated it. So we sort of trudge upstage for the Q and A, and it's silence, no applause, which is unusual because these people politely applaud. And then a woman in the back got up and she's weeping, and she said, thank you so much for telling this story with such humor and such love. Nobody ever talks about this. My husband and I have struggled with this issue for two years. Blah. And then one by one, members of the audience started getting up telling exactly the same story. One guy in the third row, I never forget this. He looked like he just walked off a construction site. He said, my wife and I. I didn't even know what I was coming to see. My wife dragged me in here tonight. My wife and I have been through this for over a year. And he couldn't even finish his sentence. And then we realized, you know what? We did the best we could. But then God takes over. If it makes a difference in somebod life, even just for that evening, you've done the best that you possibly can because all the rest of it is out of your control. And that's when it came home to us that this is a really important issue that affects People very deeply.

[David Hunt]

I. My son is adopted. When Tanya and I got married, we couldn't have children. And. And we were both. We were both healthy and both fine and just. Just couldn't have children. And it was the hardest two or three years, I think, of our marriage. I mean, since then, we've gone through real hell with some of the kids, but that was the hardest. And it was hard for me because I was watching her question everything about just being a woman, and it was. It was. Yeah, gosh, it's an awful thing. And.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes.

[David Hunt]

And we finally decided to adopt and. And that is frightening because you wonder, you know, is that. How am I going to feel? Is that really. I just. We love her son, you know, he's just. Yeah. Just the best. I'm sorry, I'm tearing up. My son just went back. He. He just moved out a couple months ago, and now he was. He was at home for the weekend and I just took him to the airport and it was hard, you know. It's hard.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah.

[David Hunt]

Hard.

[Glenn Beck]

It's always hard. It never.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah, yeah. And this movie is also about adoption, too.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, the, the, the. Some of the conversations in the film, well, they're very authentic, which is why people are hit hard by it. And so I would urge people, especially those people that have been struggling with this issue, and if you haven't had a chance to see it yet, Glenn, I would encourage you to watch it.

[David Hunt]

Because.

[Glenn Beck]

Some of the conversations were lifted verbatim from the writer's own experience with his own wife. But we don't pull any punches. So it's not a sentimental look at this issue. But it's not dark.

[Patricia Heaton]

Well, it's actually a quirky comedy that kind of takes a, as title suggests, an unexpected twist and to come at it that way. So it's not, you know, it doesn't come off as heavy. It actually comes off as fairly light and goofy to begin with.

[Glenn Beck]

And there are some gut wrenching moments.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah. Toward the end, there's one scene in.

[Glenn Beck]

Particular that I must have seen a thousand times, and I weep every single time. And I know what's coming.

[Patricia Heaton]

But, you know, coming from a comedy background, I think when you, you open people's hearts up with laughter and they literally, physically get energized by laughing at the beginning of a movie, then they're primed to just really receive, you know, the movie. And it's. It's had a real great impact on our audiences.

[David Hunt]

10 million women between.

[Patricia Heaton]

It's available on Amazon Prime.

[David Hunt]

Okay. 10 million women between 15 and 49 either aren't able to get pregnant or to maintain a pregnancy. Is that number going up? Has it always been that high?

[Patricia Heaton]

You know what? I'm not sure.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, I do believe that it is going up because there's also a problem with fertility rates.

[David Hunt]

Right.

[Glenn Beck]

In Western culture, period. As we all know, the birth rate in Western countries is declined precipitously. Yeah. And men also, for some reason, there seems to be. Could be environmental, could be many reasons, but men's sperm count has plummeted.

[David Hunt]

What do you think this is?

[Glenn Beck]

Gosh, I don't know.

[Patricia Heaton]

Pot reduces your sperm count. So if you're smoking pot, marijuana, that's not good for your opportunities.

[Glenn Beck]

Stress and anxiety, all of those things.

[Patricia Heaton]

And I think, for me, the jury's out on rfk, But I think he has the right direction of, like, wanting to clean up what's in our food, I think. And so I think there's a lot of chemicals there that are probably affecting people's health, and a big part of that is your fertility.

[David Hunt]

It's amazing to me how arrogant we are with such important things. Food AI that is coming. We just think that, oh, yeah, we can. Yeah, let's. Let's genetically modify all of our food and it'll be fine. And I think we're just starting to see the real ramifications of that.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah. And I think it's super complicated because I remember sitting on the set of the middle having this discussion about modified food. And on the one hand, you know, you want to know what. What they're using to spray crops to make them, you know, so large, and what they're plumping up chickens with and all that kind of thing. On the other hand, the ability to. To the world that feeds the world.

[David Hunt]

I know.

[Patricia Heaton]

So there's. There's got, you know, there's.

[Glenn Beck]

It's not some sort of link there because it's beyond coincidence.

[Patricia Heaton]

Right. But there's a balance that. And I think it's hard to know until maybe sometimes it goes a little too far. Then you realize, oh, we have to pull back. So.

[Glenn Beck]

But also, there are certain societal pressures, you know, and people are trying to get pregnant much later in life.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes, that's a. That's an issue.

[Glenn Beck]

Getting married in their early 20s and, you know, as they did in generations past. I mean, my mom was, what, she was 20 when she had me? I think something like that. 21. And that's, you know, that's almost unheard of these days.

[David Hunt]

Yeah, I know. And I think it's a huge Mistake. I mean, I just, I would have 10 children if I could. Because you just, they're just. There's nothing better. There is nothing better. Right. You do get to an age where you're like, this is really all that life is about. It's just that.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes.

[David Hunt]

And then you get to a point in your life too. If you waited so long, A, you reduce your chances of being able to have your children, and B, you get so old, you know, that you're like, I don't have time. I can't keep up with you. I'm really tired. I'm really tired.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

When you're talking to your six year old saying, just push me in the chair.

[Patricia Heaton]

Come on.

[David Hunt]

Got daddy in a stroller.

[Glenn Beck]

It's the Shakespearean cycle of life. Right, Right. I'm with you, Glenn. I, I think if Patty and I have had met younger, there's no question.

[Patricia Heaton]

We would have had one or two more. Maybe we have four.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah.

[Patricia Heaton]

But I didn't have. We didn't have our first child until I was 35, and then we like cranked him out. So. Yeah. Yeah. It's fantastic. And it's difficult. It's the hardest thing you'll ever do.

[David Hunt]

And it seems like it's never going to end. And then at the. And then when they move out, you're like, what happened?

[Patricia Heaton]

Right.

[David Hunt]

What happened?

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah.

[David Hunt]

It's so fast.

[Glenn Beck]

A friend of ours, I know a friend of ours once said, who had six kids, by the way. We went to see him before we had kids and all these kids are running around. And we staggered out of his house, having not been able to finish a sentence for the entire afternoon, and said, that's it, we're not having kids. Cut to, you know, here we are with, with all ours. But he said, get some sleep. When we first got pregnant and we just laughed like, oh, I haven't slept since 1993.

[Patricia Heaton]

Right.

[Glenn Beck]

You know, it's never the same, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.

[David Hunt]

So what is unplanned childlessness is that.

[Glenn Beck]

When you run out of time?

[David Hunt]

I think it is. Yeah.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes.

[David Hunt]

That happens, I think a lot now because people are, you know, you're now an adolescent until you're almost 30 in our society. Which is crazy.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes.

[David Hunt]

I don't know when you actually become adult in our society anymore, but then you're 30, 35, 40. It's over. I mean, you know, for children.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes. Yes. And I think we've, the society is. We've lost a bit of, like, it's about self Fulfillment a lot. And there's nothing wrong with feeling like you're, you know, you're using your gifts and you're helping in the world and you're contributing, whatever. But I. I think you don't really discover yourself and your strengths and whatever until you're stretched the way kids stretch you. And I think we. What's. What's happened in society is that you can't have kids until you find yourself, but I would say you don't find yourself, truly, until you have kids.

[David Hunt]

Yeah.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah. And so. And I feel like we're really in a place now where. Because even though it's not as big now as it was during the pandemic, but there is remote work. And when I was long ago working with a group called Feminists for life, this was 20 years ago, they kept pushing for remote work for working moms, and nobody would do it. And then the pandemic happened, and it was all remote work. And now it's a part of how we live. And so I think for women, there's not a better time to have kids and be working, if you have to do that, than now, because there's ways to work it out. And a lot of corporations are willing to supply their workers with those opportunities to be moms also. So I think it's a better time to be a mom.

[Glenn Beck]

I would contend, Glenn, this might be controversial, but I would contend that there are some aspects of the feminist movement that have been tremendously damaging to. To women. And of course, I'm talking specifically about the idea that motherhood is a terrible thing and it's a prison for women, which is, in fact, the complete opposite. Having children, in my humble opinion, is incredibly liberating, so many levels, because it absolutely destroys your narcissism, your self involvement.

[David Hunt]

So true.

[Glenn Beck]

There's no time for it. You got to pick up the poop, for goodness sake. You haven't got time to think about anything else. And that's a wonderful thing, especially for a narcissistic egomaniac like myself.

[David Hunt]

Yeah, it's. It does. It keeps you. It keeps you humble. That's absolutely. For sure, people.

[Glenn Beck]

And also I think there's been a movement. Oh, I'm so sorry.

[David Hunt]

Go ahead.

[Glenn Beck]

I was just. I was just going to say that there's also, in certain sections of society, I've witnessed children being viewed as a kind of. Not an appendage, but kind of like an accessory to this glam, to this wonderful life. You go to Italy in places like that, where kids are swarming around and are so much a part of the culture and are beloved by everybody. Nobody grimaces when a child is crying on a plane. I mean, the looks we used to get when we would bring our kids on airplanes.

[David Hunt]

I know.

[Glenn Beck]

I mean, I just thought, oh, my goodness, who are you people?

[Patricia Heaton]

But fortunately, our kids were super well behaved, so we always got compliments at the end of the flight. People were like, oh, we were so worried.

[Glenn Beck]

There's something in that I find just a little troubling.

[David Hunt]

We also live in a society where things are so. Things are deemed so bad, especially with climate change, which. Boy, that's interesting. But climate change, I hear people all the time. I don't want to bring children into this world. What if it does? I mean, there's nobody. I am in. I am a optimistic catastrophist in my worldview. But there's no. I mean, what if you're wrong? What if you're wrong?

[Patricia Heaton]

Right.

[Glenn Beck]

And even if you're right, what about the child that would have been born? That solves the problem.

[David Hunt]

Correct.

[Glenn Beck]

I mean, come on.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah. There's always been that group that says that there's a population bomb. What is it?

[Glenn Beck]

Paul. Paul Ehrlich.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah. And it's all bs. It's all bs. It's a matter of being able to have resources to, you know, getting to where they need to get to. That's the only problem. We have a lot of food that's wasted on this planet. There's countries that have not been developed because of the corruption of their governments. But there's nothing wrong with having lots of people, more people, the better. We just have to have the infrastructures and the resources properly dispersed.

[David Hunt]

Especially in this country, though that is not hard to do when you drive across the country and you see the vast amounts of empty land. Yes, correct. We are so far away from our planet, not being able to handle the amount of people sustain. Yeah.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yep.

[David Hunt]

What are your thoughts on ivf?

[Patricia Heaton]

Well, I'm Catholic. We're both Catholic. Even though we were in the Presbyterian world for a long time. Still Catholic, practicing Catholic all the way.

[Glenn Beck]

From Churchilling to Catholicism.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah, I dragged him personally and we didn't have to go through this. But I have thought about this a lot. I don't have any judgment of people who use ivf. No, Judge. I personally would probably not do it. And I just feel like once you start doing stuff in laboratories and you take it and listen, there's married couples who do this and if they're firm and they're egg and it's their kids and that they just couldn't conceive in the natural way and whatever. As I said, I have no judgment. But just as a Catholic, the reason the church. And I don't even know actually what the church's actual position on IVF is, but once you start taking it outside, then many iterations of that start to happen. And then you have surrogacy and there's issues with surrogacy. And then you have people kind of purchasing children and then designing children and it. Just because it's a marketplace type thing now too. And then there's all these kids in foster care and who are waiting to be adopted. And, you know, so it turns into this thing. As I said, I don't judge. I have friends who used ivf. I'm so happy they have their children. I have friends who have used circuits. Very happy for their beautiful kids. I personally wouldn't do. I don't. But we've never had to deal with it, so maybe it's easier for me to say.

[Glenn Beck]

But to play on the issue, I mean, you know, the question can be posed, what's wrong with a little medical assistance?

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

On the flip side of that is the danger that we end up with an oldest Huxleyan world, the brave new world of designer children. And we're close to that they want and we are very, very close to that. And we flirted with that. And. And in the gray area in between what we might conceive as right and obviously completely wrong, there's a lot of abuse. You know, the sperm banks and all that kind of thing. That's a whole other.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Issue. But. But there's always abuse because human beings are humanly flawed.

[David Hunt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The. I just read something from the founders. I was giving a speech for a pro life group last week and I'm trying to remember which founder it was. But not a founder that you. Any of us have really heard of. He's the only guy that was signed the Declaration, the Constitution, and was a Supreme Court justice. And he wrote right around the founding of when does a child become a child? When. When is it? When is there life? And he said, as soon as it stirs. The Quickening they used to call it. As soon as it stirs. As soon as mom knows that there is life inside of her. But that is just that measurement is. We know almost right away now we can know there's life inside of you almost immediately. So everything just seems to be getting closer and closer. You know, you don't want to Be wrong on this whole life thing, at least I don't.

[Patricia Heaton]

No, no. And yeah, I think you can, you can completely support, you know, the pro life position. From an atheist point of view, it's really, it's really human rights and civil rights.

[David Hunt]

Yeah.

[Patricia Heaton]

And the question is, when does life begin? And all science will tell you it begins at conception.

[David Hunt]

Right.

[Patricia Heaton]

And it's a human life. So I think that's how I've come to my position.

[David Hunt]

I think, I think we've changed as a people. I could never join the pro life people that were out with the abortion trucks or shouting at people because most cases, most cases the women that are going are not the serial, you know, abortion stops. They're the ones who don't feel like they have any support whatsoever. They feel trapped. They don't know what to do. And you're starting to see now, as pro life people will talk to those moms once they, once they see an ultrasound. That's the big thing. Once they see an ultrasound and then you talk to them. Sometimes it's pretty easy to solve the problems that, that are causing mom to think I can't have a baby, you know?

[Patricia Heaton]

Right. You know, and there's been interesting phenomenons. Like a woman will find out she's pregnant, she wants to abort, and then they find out it's twins, and she doesn't want to abort. Like, there's weird, you know, stuff that makes people change their mind. And I think it's interesting that at a place like Planned Parenthood, they don't want to show you the ultrasound.

[David Hunt]

Yes.

[Patricia Heaton]

They're not, they're not. You know, so, you know, there's a, there's definitely a movement where they are invested in abortion. And if, if it were really truly a pro choice situation, you know, maybe I wouldn't have that much difficulty, but I don't think it's really pro choice. There's a very vast amount of people who are committed to making sure they happen.

[David Hunt]

Yeah, it's a really dark, dark agenda. Really dark.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah, really dark.

[Glenn Beck]

Just from my personal male perspective, when our eldest son was 7 weeks old in the womb and I remember seeing the very first ultrasound, I have to confess that up to that point, my, any views I may or may not have had on abortion were fuzzy at best. I think I was in that kind of that shameful male school of like, it doesn't really affect me kind of thing. Well, when I saw his little tiny heart beating in the middle of what was basically the size of a lima bean, I Completely fell apart. I was destroyed because I'd seen it in a way that was so real that I'd never seen before, that I could never go back.

[David Hunt]

I. My first daughter was born with cerebral palsy and she had strokes at birth. And they said, at this time, I'm a 19 year old kid, I don't know what I'm doing, you know what I mean? And so she, the doctors are, you know, taking her in for CAT scans and she just fit in the little headrest, I'll never forget. And the doctors came back and they, they had a scan and they said, black, black means blood, blood is bad. And they took out the scan and it was almost all black. And I said, what does that mean? And they said, she probably won't feed herself, she probably won't talk, walk in going, outgoing speech, all of these horrible, horrible things. And to my shame, if you would have said that to me before she was born, I probably would have said, that's no life. That's no life.

[Patricia Heaton]

Right.

[David Hunt]

I have learned my daughter is not like that. She graduated from college and she's the joy of my life. And she is, she's taught me more than any other human alive. It's remarkable how we don't know, doctors don't know, and even if it turns out that what we deem is bad, it's actually not bad.

[Patricia Heaton]

Right, Right. And just to hear that story, we know so many parents who have kids with special needs, down syndrome, autism, all kinds of stuff. And I think that's one thing where if we were going to step up more than pro life people already have, is really getting the government and there is a lot of support. You get Social Security if you have a disability, what have you. But really communities supporting and including parents, supporting parents with disability, and including parents with kids with disabilities.

[Glenn Beck]

Excuse me.

[Patricia Heaton]

I see it a little. As many problems as the UK have, I feel like I see that a lot out in public, more with kids with disabilities. That's a really important part of, I think that our government should continue to focus on is making sure all those parents have help. But parents who have kids with disabilities, they do a really incredible job of making those things happen in their community. Almost all those great programs that you find for kids with issues have been started by parents who couldn't find any program and so started it themselves.

[David Hunt]

It's really disturbing to me to see what's going on in Canada with maid, where now they're talking about, it can be depression, kids, kids, teenagers, doesn't matter. I mean, this Is a death cult, an absolute death cult.

[Patricia Heaton]

Well, when you have socialism running something and people are costly, who have disabilities to care for, and then the government is much more likely to say, here's a way out of your pain, then it gets them off of their role so they don't have to pay anymore. That's a huge problem with socialism, the kind of medicine they have there. I'm not saying what we have here is by any means perfect, but to have a solution to a problem be killing yourself really reached rock bottom.

[David Hunt]

Yeah. I spoke to guy who runs Singularity University, Ray Kurzweil. He's, you know, a leader in AI, and he told me once, you know, you only have to live until 2030, Glenn, because then there will be no death. And I said, what do you. What do you. What do you mean? And he said, we'll be able to download you into a computer. And I said, ray, that's not life. And he said, oh, yeah. Oh, yes, it is. What's the difference? And I said, well, soul. And he said, you can't prove that there's a soul. And I realized, you want to talk about maid on steroids. If Grandma, Grandpa, anyone gets sick, don't worry, they'll live forever. We don't have to treat that. Let's just put them out of the paint, we'll download them. They'll be with you forever. I mean, it's a. Oh, my gosh. It's a terrifying word. Oh, my gosh.

[Patricia Heaton]

That's so. You know, when you first mentioned AI, I'm like, I find AI useful now. I'm going like, oh, my gosh, AI.

[David Hunt]

Oh, yeah, there's. There's things. Yeah, sorry. It's just that we, you know, people haven't thought. I've thought about this since the 90s, been studying AI, and it is tremendous what's coming. It is also a horror show what's coming. And the scary thing is, is nobody's dealing with it. Nobody's thinking about these deep, deep issues. And if we treat AI like we treated social media, we're doomed. We're absolutely doomed.

[Patricia Heaton]

Right, but how would you. How would you. Yeah. How would you legislate for something that isn't here yet? Like, how do you. What do you do about it at this point? Before it's that kind of reality, the.

[David Hunt]

Biggest thing you do is. Yeah, you put guardrails on personhood. You cannot be digital and a person, because that's. That's where it's going to slip out of our fingers, is people will Declare. It will eventually declare personhood. And. And that's not very far away. There are people right now.

[Patricia Heaton]

Okay, I see what you're saying.

[David Hunt]

People right now that think that that's their boyfriend and they're in love with their boyfriend, and it's AI. And you don't want anywhere near this. We have to think that's not a person ever. Ever.

[Patricia Heaton]

Is anybody doing any kind of thinking about legislation, about those things? Is there anybody looking at you?

[David Hunt]

I. Yeah, there are. There. There's one guy, two, actually. Two guys that were both ethicists. One, I think was from Google, and I'm not sure where the other one was from. And they realized there's no ethics here. You know, they were the ethicists and they were like, guys, we gotta stop and have a conversation. There were no ethics. Ethics. They're moving. Yeah, there's no. There's. They're moving too fast. They're moving too fast.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah.

[David Hunt]

And we'll get to that later. You know, and I, I was reading. Yeah, I was reading a quote from Jefferson and he used newspapers, but I just changed the newspapers to social media. He said, a man is much more educated if he never reads anything at all over a man who only reads the newspapers. And I would suggest if you change newspapers to social media and we're educating ourselves on social media, you're an imbecile. If that's where you get all of your information, you know, look how fast that.

[Patricia Heaton]

50% an imbecile. Dave will tell you, I'm always like.

[David Hunt]

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[David Hunt]

Let me go back to Hollywood. They're moving. They're trying to move Hollywood to Austin, Texas, which scares the heck out of me, seeing I'm in Dallas, Texas and I know you guys got away from Hollywood as soon as you could.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah, we're trying to move it to Nashville.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, we're actually trying to raise money specifically for that to build the film and TV industry and theater industry outside of the Louisiana New York bubble.

[David Hunt]

So how do you do that and not bring all of the crap that comes with it?

[Patricia Heaton]

Well, in Tennessee, in their legislature, when they're working to set up kind of funding and rebates and stuff, they're putting things in, in there like it, it has to be certain type of content. So they wouldn't ever give rebates to.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, you have to, yeah.

[Patricia Heaton]

Pornography or anything that puts down.

[Glenn Beck]

But ultimately trust the content creators plan, which is what it comes down to, which is why we're obviously, we're hoping people would back us given the history that we have and the kinds of projects that we've already produced. So again, it's, again, it's tricky, but we've heard that from politicians. Oh, we don't want Hollywood values. And I'm not even sure what Hollywood values are because that's kind of an oxymoron. But. Oops, sorry, all my friends in la. Yeah, so, you know, it's a tricky one. But, but, but ultimately you have to, I think the content creators have to prove themselves, really. There's, there's an enormous underserved audience in the United States. Huge, actually. Globally. Actually, I would suggest globally there, there is stats available for that that show that people want content, they want good entertainment. And it's not that you have to make, you know, just Billy Graham movies. No disrespect to Billy Graham, but you know what I'm saying.

[David Hunt]

Yeah, I do.

[Glenn Beck]

You didn't have to make sentimental nonsense. You can still produce things with excellence and have great stories that don't shy away from the reality of the human condition. But people want to see hope, they want to see redemption, they want to see forgiveness. These themes that have been so absent for so long. And, you know, I do have to say this, and this probably will get me some enemies, but.

[Patricia Heaton]

You don't have to say it.

[Glenn Beck]

Maybe I should shut up right now. Hello, lady.

[Patricia Heaton]

Right before we take that show out to pitch.

[Glenn Beck]

Now you've thrown me.

[Patricia Heaton]

Sorry. That was my cunning plan.

[Glenn Beck]

It was a brilliant plan because it worked. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't say well, but.

[Patricia Heaton]

We found that the kind of people who are attracted to Nashville, who are moving to Tennessee, share those values. And they're leaving Hollywood or New York or Chicago because they have felt not at home for so many years and feel that their worldview and the stories they want to tell aren't being told, or Hollywood doesn't want to tell them. Although it's weird because I think there's a certain bottom line also to Hollywood. They need to make money, and I think they would like to tap into the space and they kind of don't know how. So I feel like we're seeing them kind of. When you see Angel Studios or Andy Irwin at Kingdom Story and you see John Irwin has the Wonder project now, and there's. It's out there and it's coming.

[Glenn Beck]

I'm trying to do the same thing. In 2008, we made a movie called Amazing Grace about the abolition of slavery in the British Empire.

[David Hunt]

So good. So good.

[Glenn Beck]

And we, in a sense, you could say that we were ahead of our curve, but what we didn't have was the financial backing to really continue that in any significant way. I think now the environment is a little different, and there's just like there's an economic shift going on. There's also a cultural shift going on. And I think people are more receptive both in the investment community and in the marketplace for content. That's more like that, shall we say, in the most general sense.

[David Hunt]

It's really stunned me how for the longest time, Christians did not know how to make movies because all they cared about was the message and just got to get the message. And you're like, I can't bring my friends to this. I want to, and I can't bring my friends to this because they're going to just be beaten over the head with the message. And Hollywood had it right. Now, if you look at Snow White. Snow White, what? All they care about is message. We've switched places as interesting.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yeah. Interesting observation.

[David Hunt]

You even look at House of David, which I think is Erwin.

[Patricia Heaton]

That is just John Irwin at Wonder Project.

[David Hunt]

Yeah. And I know that's about the Bible, but it's not pounding in your face. It's a great story. Just a great story. And it's so weird how we've just switched places. I wonder how long it's going to be before they wake up and go, oh, they don't, they don't want message movies.

[Patricia Heaton]

Well, go ahead.

[Glenn Beck]

I was just going to say I'm just about to do a little bit on the Chosen, which I'm actually really looking forward to. I, I think Hollywood has. Look, Hollywood is all about money. Somebody once joked to us that Hitler could have showed up in Hollywood if he had a great script under his arm. They would have said, yeah, sorry about that whole Holocaust thing. Adolf, we want to make your movie because we think it's going to make us a lot of money. And that's the harshest way of looking at it. In the same way they're looking at this space going, well, so many of our movies are tanking because of the message we keep sending out. So how do we. They don't really know who this audience is. They don't know how to speak to them. We do. So let's use your show as a plug to anybody out there with a, with a couple of dollars in the bank.

[Patricia Heaton]

But you know, I also think that it used to be so my favorite movie of all time. Dave Sticker hearing me say, this is on the Waterfront with Marlon Brando, even Marie Saint. And Karl Malden plays the priest at this mob run doc in New York. And Marlon Brando's brother is a mobster. And Marlon Brando's on the take and he has to make a decision as to whether he's gonna rat out on his brother and turn in the mob. And it's this big moral decision. And Karl Malden as the priest has this incredible monologue. I don't know, you probably saw it many years ago, but if haven't watched it or haven't seen a long time, watch it again. This was an Oscar winning Hollywood movie. To me, the greatest movie ever made. Greatest script, music, acting, directing, everything. And it has Karl Malden doing a whole thing about Christ being here on the docks and Christ seeing what's happening to you and how would he who spoke up against every evil feel about your silence? It's this beautiful monologue and that wasn't considered a faith based film. It was just a great story about a moral dilemma. And God was just a natural part of that because it used to be in our country. We all shared certain foundational beliefs about God, about history, about our country. And that's kind of been blowing up for so many years through universities. And so people have a really distorted view of this country they don't have. You can criticize America. There's lots of things we don't. A lot of room for improvement. But I've traveled with World Vision to a lot of different countries and to say this country is a terrible place and it's ridiculous.

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[David Hunt]

What it's being replaced with is even more terrifying. Watching the stats on, on antisemitism is terrifying. I said when I was at Fox in 2008, I said, if we allow this to grow now, we will see on our streets the exact kind of hatred that was happening in the 1930s in Europe. It'll be happening here. And everybody mocked me for it. And here we are. It is terrifying. Terrifying what's going on.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes. And imagine how Jewish people feel.

[David Hunt]

I know.

[Patricia Heaton]

I mean, this is what you know. I.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, there's a lot of problems, obviously, the education, the education system in this country is in desperate need of massive reform, particularly at the higher education level. But as G.K. chesterton once said, if you don't worship, if you don't worship God or you don't believe in God, then something's Going to have to rush into that vacuum.

[David Hunt]

Correct.

[Glenn Beck]

In the end, you'll believe in anything, anything at all.

[David Hunt]

Right.

[Glenn Beck]

You just make it up tomorrow. And that's what we're seeing. And you're seeing 21st century postmodernist nonsense, idiotic nonsense, pervasive in major learning institutions in this country, peddling crap. I'm sorry, there's no other way to describe it. Oh yeah, it's lies. It reminds me a lot of the Soviet Union. It reminds me of the kind of that to me is the Orwellian nightmare is the way that young people's hearts and minds are changed by being perpetually told that especially if you're white, you're bad. You're the problem. Western civilization is the problem. I've heard people in interviews, you know those street interviews. Oh, well, America's a country built on racism.

[Patricia Heaton]

And you just go, just hold your colonization.

[Glenn Beck]

It's like, oh my God, there's so much, there's so much ignorance out there that it's really hard to counter that.

[Patricia Heaton]

So how is what I think is even. Oh, sorry. But what I think is even scarier is if you, you take a person who's sort of indoctrinated and you can show them the facts. You can show them Hamas body cam footage that they themselves put on the, on social media, they put on the Internet, and they will deny that what they're seeing with their own eyes, like, you can look at history, look at the Bible, say this, if you want to know where the Jews land is, just read this, you know, 5,000 year old book, right? And you'll see where they were and they'll, they'll deny it. That's what's worse. It's one thing to have, you always have misinformation out there, but when you give people facts and they refuse to accept them, then I don't know where you go.

[David Hunt]

I've never, I've never really understood. This didn't even mean anything to me until recently, that the root of the word culture is cult. And the culture that we have right now is becoming a cult. It's driving you away from your family. It's telling you, don't listen to your friends, change your friends. If it disagrees with a cult leader, I mean, it's frightening. It's frightening. Our culture is becoming a cult. You guys started. What is it? The, what is the organization that you did? The November, October 7th coalition. Yeah, okay.

[Patricia Heaton]

Seventh coalition, 07C. Yes. And that happened after I saw that body cam footage and I just expected A huge outcry across America against what had happened in Israel. And it was like crickets. And we live in a city where many, many. There's more churches per capita here than I think any other city in the country. And so many people have been to Israel. They love Israel. A lot of them don't know their own Jewish neighbors at home when they come back. And I think I just felt like something needed to be done. How can Christians give people the benefit of the doubt? I think more pastors need to stand up and they're very afraid to offend Muslims is the problem.

[David Hunt]

You know what happens? It's our pastors and our pulpits that have failed us. Us. They usually do in bad times. But that is the root of the problem. They have got to stand up and lead.

[Patricia Heaton]

They do. And what we're trying to do is find, you know, our motto is to activate people, Christians to be visibly and vocally supportive of the Jewish people of Israel's right to exist and to fight antisemitism. And we've been going city to city, putting unity dinners together, getting Christians and Jews together. We, you know, it's fine in peacetime. Jewish people are doing Jewish things, Christians are doing Christian things. But in times like these, we have to be united.

[David Hunt]

Yes, we do.

[Patricia Heaton]

And we have to be very vocal. The other side is really well funded, they're really well organized and they've indoctrinated a lot of people.

[Glenn Beck]

This is a battle for Western civilization.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes.

[Glenn Beck]

It cannot be understated. I know for myself. October 8th, I'm looking at thousands of people on the streets of London with placards and banners that seem to have been miraculously produced inside about 12 hours after the attacks.

[David Hunt]

Interesting.

[Glenn Beck]

Pro Hamas? Well, yeah, they're pro Hamas. And you go, okay, well, clearly this is orchestrated. Clearly. It's a campaign. And then when the Prime Minister of Great Britain comes out and says Islamophobia is the biggest problem in the United Kingdom, which is a lie, you talk to the intelligence communities and they will tell you where the real issues are. So, you know, right wing white supremacism and, oh, gosh, it's terrifying. It's a massive, massive issue. And people do not understand the propaganda behind all of this. What's frightening to me is it happened so quickly and people bought into it immediately. And that's what I find so distressing about it.

[Patricia Heaton]

Well, and it's, it's hard to figure out why, other than just Jew hatred, because there, there isn't a real. It doesn't make sense. And so you get back to that very. The kernel of the question is, why the Jew hatred, which is the question Jews have been asking since they've been hated, which is since they were formed, since the. And. And I feel as if you're, you know, person of faith. You can see why, because Christ Jesus came through the Jewish people. That. That would be one of Satan's main places to attack, is the Jewish people, because of Christ coming through them. If you wanted to look at it from a spiritual point of view, if.

[David Hunt]

You believe in Satan, when Satan heard God say to Abraham, your people are my people and I'm going to protect them forever. You have a group of what, 300, 500 people stand there. Satan has got to go. All they have to do to get him to break his promise, which God can't do, and I win, is break that. So it's 16 million now. It's not that hard. I can still win. I think it's the root of all of this stuff is evil. It's all evil. It's all tied together. The death culture.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes.

[David Hunt]

I mean, the Jewish people are the ones that were the first ones to say life, choose life.

[Patricia Heaton]

Yes. Look at. Yes. And you go over there and they're welcoming, you know, I mean, look, Israel has their own issues, but it's just a wonderful, welcoming, warm place for all people. It's a vibrant place. They produce so much science and technology and they want peace.

[Glenn Beck]

They want.

[Patricia Heaton]

They've never started a war. They want peace and they've never broken a ceasefire. They want peace. And so, you know, I think, you know, there's. We were just listening to a guy talking about radical Muslims are probably 15%, 20%, maybe the population.

[Glenn Beck]

20%, that still represents 15 million people.

[David Hunt]

Tipping point.

[Patricia Heaton]

But the tipping of radical property measurement.

[Glenn Beck]

Tipping probably means about 200 million Muslims eradicated.

[David Hunt]

Right. And the tipping. Tipping point, remember, is only about 17 to 21% of a population. If they're really dedicated, that amount of a population, any population, makes a difference.

[Glenn Beck]

Yes, There are cities in Britain where that's already been passed. But, but I just want to go back for the educational component, because this is, this is so critical and this applies to churches as well as schools, and that is that, you know, even if you don't teach the apologetics of Christianity, even if that's a secondary concern, if you just taught the history, it would make a massive, massive, massive difference to the way people view the world. The fact is that there's an entire generation of young people in this. Well, in the west who have no clue, haven't been taught that at all because it's been eviscerated from syllabuses across the land. And that's a very, very dangerous.

[David Hunt]

Was it Hitchens? I think it was Hitchens that said, you can't read Shakespeare without the Bible. You have to teach the Bible or you won't understand Western culture at all.

[Patricia Heaton]

That's right. Yeah, that's right. And by the way, you can teach it as a purely historical document, which is what it is. You know, I mean, to ban it from schools is ludicrous.

[Glenn Beck]

Also, this, you know, people do. I hate to go on a rant, but just a mini one. When people go on about justice, you know, I just. I just need. I want to sit them down and stare them right in the face and say, do you have any idea whether the whole concept of justice came from. It comes directly from the Jewish and the Christian traditions?

[David Hunt]

Right.

[Glenn Beck]

It did not exist on planet Earth until that happened. Yeah, it just didn't. You know, you can go back and look at all of the others and the other movements at the time.

[David Hunt]

And anyway, thank you for all that you guys do. You're. You're wonderful. Thank you for everything you do. Thanks for all the laughs that, you know, that you've provided and all the joy. Thank you, sincerely.

[Patricia Heaton]

Well, thanks for having us. This is so much fun to talk to you.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, it's really a lot of fun. I feel like I could do it for hours. If you watch the film. Glenn, would you just do us the honor of at least shooting us a text or an email letting us know what you will?

[David Hunt]

Yeah, I will. I will. God bless you guys. Thank you.

[Glenn Beck]

Appreciate that.

[Patricia Heaton]

Thanks. God bless.

[David Hunt]

Thanks.

[Patricia Heaton]

Appreciate it. Bye.

[David Hunt]

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